2011-02-07 06:15:03 zoia your favorite contemporary novelist sucks 2011-02-07 07:35:14 highermath_aw anyone up? 2011-02-07 07:38:19 anarchivist anarchivist yawns 2011-02-07 07:38:22 zoia anarchivist: WAKE UP! 2011-02-07 07:56:46 highermath I was thinking of walking somewhere for coffee. Anyone want to go? 2011-02-07 07:57:39 edsu the bagel place is good 2011-02-07 07:57:48 archivist that would be a long walk for me..... 2011-02-07 07:58:10 highermath highermath could do with a long(ish) walk 2011-02-07 07:58:37 edsu http://www.yelp.com/map/bloomington-bagel-company-bloomington-2 2011-02-07 07:58:48 edsu oh, you aren't in the union then? 2011-02-07 07:59:03 edsu i'm in maryland so it would be a very long walk for me :-) 2011-02-07 07:59:14 edsu but i went to that bagel place yesterday, and it was really good 2011-02-07 07:59:25 archivist Im in the midlands UK 2011-02-07 08:00:39 highermath okay, so the bagel place is in MD, right? That would be a bit much for me, as well 2011-02-07 08:01:52 highermath edsu, okay, I am now awake enough to read. 2011-02-07 08:03:06 highermath edsu: so you are in md, but you came to bloomington to have a bagel yesterday 2011-02-07 08:03:18 highermath I am still a bit fuzzy on this 2011-02-07 08:08:40 edsu highermath: yeah, unfortunately i couldn't stay for code4lib, but i was there for a pre-conference-type of a event yesterday and the day before 2011-02-07 08:14:35 MrDys where is this registration/breakfast dealie? 2011-02-07 08:16:13 anarchivist MrDys: on twitter ranti just said the mezzanine 2011-02-07 08:16:37 MrDys @sing soul coughing : super bon bon : mezzanine 2011-02-07 08:16:39 zoia Some hand is motioning / to rise, to rise, to rise. / Too fat, fat you must cut lean. / You got to take the elevator to the mezzanine, 2011-02-07 08:34:05 ejk @quote random 2011-02-07 08:34:05 zoia ejk: Quote #2187: "< rosy1280> bacon should be on everyone's homepage" (added by anarchivist at 10:01 AM, February 24, 2010) 2011-02-07 08:34:19 lbjay @love free wifi 2011-02-07 08:34:21 zoia lbjay: The operation succeeded. lbjay loves free wifi. 2011-02-07 08:35:26 lbjay @tweet [translationparty [sing soul coughing : super bon bon : mezzanine]] #c4l11 2011-02-07 08:35:49 zoia The operation succeeded. 2011-02-07 08:35:50 zoia lbjay: An error has occurred and has been logged. Please contact this bot's administrator for more information. 2011-02-07 08:36:12 lbjay hmm 2011-02-07 08:36:18 lbjay @twit --from bot4lib 2011-02-07 08:36:20 zoia lbjay: bot4lib: 404: invalid result data #c4l11 2011-02-07 08:36:29 csharp heh 2011-02-07 08:36:52 lbjay @translationparty [sing soul coughing : super bon bon : mezzanine] 2011-02-07 08:37:27 zoia Some hands / roses and symbols. / Too fat, fat, lean and should be cut. / You were riding the elevator to the mezzanine 2011-02-07 08:38:45 lbjay reads like a personal ad 2011-02-07 08:39:00 lbjay "I was wearing a duran duran t-shirt" 2011-02-07 08:53:09 tokee Okay, just how many variations of my name is registered? 2011-02-07 08:53:55 jrochkind Irc via iPad woo 2011-02-07 08:57:33 mjg_ VICTORY IS MINE 2011-02-07 08:57:44 MrDys mjg_: go curate something 2011-02-07 08:57:50 MrDys in a camp-like environment 2011-02-07 08:58:55 anarchivist @ana curatecamp hackfest 2011-02-07 08:58:56 zoia anarchivist: Crack chef amputates 2011-02-07 08:59:19 MrDys @ana what's new in solr 2011-02-07 08:59:20 zoia MrDys: On wrathless win 2011-02-07 08:59:27 mjg_ mjg_ snorts 2011-02-07 08:59:30 anarchivist @ana curatecamp 2011-02-07 08:59:30 zoia anarchivist: Acute cramp 2011-02-07 09:00:05 MrDys zoia: pace yourself, it's early 2011-02-07 09:00:06 zoia MrDys: 2011-02-07 09:00:22 Libmanuk Using my iPad. 2011-02-07 09:01:53 akorphan time to get my lambda on 2011-02-07 09:02:39 akorphan what is this "paper" stuff? 2011-02-07 09:02:54 akorphan ooh! free pencils. 2011-02-07 09:03:35 MrDys http://i56.tinypic.com/3461e7k.gif 2011-02-07 09:05:29 ejk Anybody streaming any of the proceedings today? 2011-02-07 09:06:18 decasm_ functional_javascript++ 2011-02-07 09:06:42 akorphan lambda++ 2011-02-07 09:06:44 mjg_ MrDys++ 2011-02-07 09:06:52 akorphan kittens++ 2011-02-07 09:06:58 anarchivist @ana lambada 2011-02-07 09:06:58 zoia anarchivist: Am a bald 2011-02-07 09:07:11 anarchivist @hussein lambada 2011-02-07 09:07:12 zoia anarchivist: Im subnasal head 2011-02-07 09:09:32 anarchivist @quote random 2011-02-07 09:09:32 zoia anarchivist: Quote #2477: "< edsu> emorgan: just think you could be basking in the sun in palo alto, tweeting about some awesome culinary experience you are having" (added by anarchivist at 04:29 PM, January 03, 2011) 2011-02-07 09:09:54 akorphan At least it doesn't snow in Seattle. 2011-02-07 09:11:02 mjg_ anarchivist: "I'm interested in bathrobes and mops" 2011-02-07 09:11:10 harvel mjg_++ 2011-02-07 09:11:35 anarchivist mjg_.split('and') 2011-02-07 09:12:11 anarchivist mjg_: you're confusing me w/ rob_away on the mop part 2011-02-07 09:12:42 gmcharlt @quote random 2011-02-07 09:12:42 zoia zoia gmcharlt: Quote #2314: " These are my principles / If you don't like them I got others / This is my opinion / If you don't agree I've got big brothers" (added by lbjay at 09:40 AM, June 11, 2010) 2011-02-07 09:12:47 scolford Where the heck is mbklein? 2011-02-07 09:13:14 anarchivist @arch needs to say one more thing 2011-02-07 09:13:14 zoia THE ARCHITECT NEEDS TO SAY ONE MORE THING 2011-02-07 09:13:46 mjg_ anarchivist++ 2011-02-07 09:14:02 anarchivist @arch views "repositories" as the support hose of the library world 2011-02-07 09:14:02 zoia THE ARCHITECT VIEWS REPOSITORIES AS THE SUPPORT HOSE OF THE LIBRARY WORLD 2011-02-07 09:14:17 akorphan How does the anarchitect feel? 2011-02-07 09:14:21 mjg_ mjg_ snorts 2011-02-07 09:14:24 MrDys repositories: they've got L'eggs 2011-02-07 09:14:33 anarchivist MrDys: they know how to use themm 2011-02-07 09:14:43 anarchivist s/m+/m 2011-02-07 09:14:51 jbrinley @hussein L'eggs repository 2011-02-07 09:14:51 zoia jbrinley: Righteously pig soreness 2011-02-07 09:15:10 mjg_ @sing zz top : fedora's got legs 2011-02-07 09:15:12 zoia mjg_: No lyrics found for fedora's got legs by zz top 2011-02-07 09:17:43 mjg_ @horatio "maybe the dingo ate your" baby 2011-02-07 09:17:44 zoia mjg_: i guess you could say maybe the dingo ate your ... /O_O/ baby YEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH 2011-02-07 09:18:29 MrDys my laptop is sounding like a jet engine 2011-02-07 09:19:53 mjg_ MrDys++ 2011-02-07 09:23:56 mjg_ LIGHTNING BOLT! LIGHTNING BOLT! 2011-02-07 09:23:57 jbrinley @dnd 2011-02-07 09:23:57 zoia jbrinley: strength:7 dexterity:17 constitution:16 intelligence:10 wisdom:14 charisma:17 2011-02-07 09:24:00 jtgorman @dice 1d20 2011-02-07 09:24:00 zoia jtgorman: 4 2011-02-07 09:24:43 mjg_ maybe we shoulda got some microphones 2011-02-07 09:24:51 mjg_ big ol' room is swallowing our voices 2011-02-07 09:25:02 jtgorman mjg_: fans don't help either 2011-02-07 09:25:17 MrDys @sing beastie boys : pass the mic 2011-02-07 09:25:20 zoia What's Running Through My Mind Comes Through In My Walk True / Feelings Are Shown From The Way That I Talk And This Is Me, Y'All- / I M.C., Y'All My Name Is M.C.A. And I Still Do What I Please And / Now I'd Like To Introduce I'll Pass The Mic To D. For A Fist Full Of Truth 2011-02-07 09:25:30 mjg_ IF WE ALL TYPE IN CAPS, MAYBE EVERYONE CAN HEAR US 2011-02-07 09:25:40 BillDueber_ Hey, good lookin', we'll be back to pick you up later! 2011-02-07 09:26:04 mjg_ loud_talkers++ 2011-02-07 09:26:21 mjg_ cbeer++ 2011-02-07 09:26:32 eby other_people_doing_the_work++ 2011-02-07 09:28:23 mjg_ @horatio "anarchivist is sticky because of that" gumshoe 2011-02-07 09:28:24 zoia mjg_: on the other hand, anarchivist is sticky because of that ... /O_O/ gumshoe YEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH 2011-02-07 09:29:00 BigD We need to use stage voices in this room 2011-02-07 09:29:14 BigD anarchivist: Is nice and loud 2011-02-07 09:29:15 MrDys where all the theatre majors at? 2011-02-07 09:29:25 MrDys mbklein, rsinger, this is your calling 2011-02-07 09:29:33 anarchivist @hussein gumshoe 2011-02-07 09:29:33 zoia anarchivist: Hugeousness him 2011-02-07 09:29:59 rsinger rsinger gets out his stage makeup 2011-02-07 09:30:07 anarchivist @horatio rsinger must be method acting 2011-02-07 09:30:07 zoia anarchivist: it appears that rsinger ... /O_O/ must be method acting YEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH 2011-02-07 09:30:12 ejk Red leather, yellow leather 2011-02-07 09:30:24 rsinger you know you need unique new york 2011-02-07 09:30:31 akorphan The seething sea ceaseth and the seething sea sufficeth us. 2011-02-07 09:30:32 jtgorman rsinger: can you sing Mr. Cellophane? 2011-02-07 09:30:44 rsinger i can't sing anything 2011-02-07 09:30:46 scolford scolford was theatre major 2011-02-07 09:30:54 rsinger i was a REAL actor, unlike mbklein 2011-02-07 09:31:02 akorphan The sixth sic sheik's sixth sheep's sick. 2011-02-07 09:31:04 scolford SNAP 2011-02-07 09:31:08 rsinger scolford: you were? 2011-02-07 09:31:10 rsinger HI5 2011-02-07 09:31:18 rsinger scolford: that is unsurprising, of course 2011-02-07 09:31:24 scolford indeed and a professional. even brought my headshot this week by accident 2011-02-07 09:31:30 rsinger ha! 2011-02-07 09:31:35 gsf math is hard 2011-02-07 09:31:44 robcaSSon gsf++ 2011-02-07 09:31:53 scolford okay now be quiet i'm concentrating 2011-02-07 09:32:39 decasm_ i chose the awful fibonacci 2011-02-07 09:32:58 edsu you guys in the functional javascript pre-conf? 2011-02-07 09:33:24 akorphan oh mais oui 2011-02-07 09:33:30 mjg_ dlovins++ 2011-02-07 09:33:37 decasm_ edsu: yup 2011-02-07 09:33:45 robcaSSon edsu: gsf and decasm are....i'm gonna float around a bit 2011-02-07 09:36:26 rsinger edsu: i say we use this opportunity to case their houses 2011-02-07 09:36:26 akorphan we need dynamic programming to save us! 2011-02-07 09:37:04 edsu decasm_: you ever see this thing sean burke did, taking the book Higher Order Perl and doing all the examples in JavaScript 2011-02-07 09:37:07 edsu ? 2011-02-07 09:37:17 edsu rsinger++ 2011-02-07 09:37:24 edsu rsinger: so you didn't end up goin? 2011-02-07 09:38:15 edsu decasm_: oh, here it is http://interglacial.com/hoj/hoj.html 2011-02-07 09:38:17 rsinger edsu: no 2011-02-07 09:38:43 edsu rsinger: bummer 2011-02-07 09:39:13 rsinger edsu: yeah, it sucks, but you've gotta pick your battles 2011-02-07 09:39:15 edsu rsinger: i had a nice time there on sat/sun and could feel the vibe building, i wish i could've stayed 2011-02-07 09:39:22 edsu rsinger: yup 2011-02-07 09:39:41 akorphan I learned the fib3 technique in my algorithms course, and then promptly forgot it. 2011-02-07 09:39:42 rsinger esp. the battles that keeps that sweet paycheck teat flowing 2011-02-07 09:40:41 MrDys @hussein paycheck teat 2011-02-07 09:40:42 zoia MrDys: Uneasy, thickset cheap 2011-02-07 09:42:38 knickum tweetdeck 2011-02-07 09:42:45 zoia mbklein's operation succeeded 2011-02-07 09:42:48 knickum oh no, at least it wasn't a password 2011-02-07 09:46:55 mjg_ my favorite bacon pre-ingest process is frying 2011-02-07 09:50:02 eby @love bacon 2011-02-07 09:50:05 zoia eby: The operation succeeded. eby loves bacon. 2011-02-07 09:50:11 eby @love coke 2011-02-07 09:50:13 decasm_ edsu: no, hadn't seen that before. cool. 2011-02-07 09:50:14 zoia eby: The operation succeeded. eby loves coke. 2011-02-07 09:50:37 akorphan only one thing smells like bacon, and that's bacon 2011-02-07 09:50:55 knickum twittering during the talk is hard, completely interrupts my nap plans 2011-02-07 09:51:03 eby Certain smoked beers 2011-02-07 09:51:19 akorphan @ana certain smoked beers 2011-02-07 09:51:20 zoia akorphan: On berserk decimates 2011-02-07 09:51:27 jbrinley @who smells like bacon 2011-02-07 09:51:27 zoia jbrinley smells like bacon. 2011-02-07 09:51:32 jbrinley hmm 2011-02-07 09:51:54 MrDys I should've gotten one of those cheese danishes... 2011-02-07 09:52:14 robcaSSon eby: i brought a smoked beer from cincy....haven't tried it yet 2011-02-07 09:53:00 eby Looking forward to that roasted corn 2011-02-07 09:56:12 flyingzumwalt is there a way to get the wiki to stop intercepting me with a capcha every time I add a link? 2011-02-07 09:56:31 wickr flyingzumwalt: are you signed in with an account on the wiki? 2011-02-07 09:56:47 flyingzumwalt yep. I'm signed in. 2011-02-07 09:57:02 scolford @help herald 2011-02-07 09:57:02 zoia scolford: Error: There is no command "herald". 2011-02-07 09:57:21 wickr flyingzumwalt: hmmm 2011-02-07 09:57:34 dileshni anyone else heading for the conference stuck at Pearson? 2011-02-07 10:00:58 wickr flyingzumwalt: let me know if it's still doign it 2011-02-07 10:01:39 zoia it's not the heat, it's jdwyn 2011-02-07 10:01:50 flyingzumwalt wickr: thanks. it stopped 2011-02-07 10:02:22 mbklein wickr++ # FIXER OF ALL PERMISSIONS ISSUES 2011-02-07 10:02:49 wickr flyingzumwalt: great 2011-02-07 10:03:02 robcaSSon @praise wickr 2011-02-07 10:03:03 zoia we are all merely terms in the history of wickr 2011-02-07 10:04:36 flyingzumwalt wickr: it came back 2011-02-07 10:04:41 yitznewton yitznewton is live from New York 2011-02-07 10:04:55 flyingzumwalt and it's including greek characters now 2011-02-07 10:04:57 yitznewton warm here today 2011-02-07 10:05:08 mjg_ mbklein: welcome back east, mf. enjoy the weather. 2011-02-07 10:05:09 yitznewton @forecast 10006 2011-02-07 10:05:10 zoia yitznewton: 41°?! ITS FUCKING ....ALRIGHT 2011-02-07 10:10:19 eefcee seems very quiet in the bloomington backchannel... 2011-02-07 10:10:33 akorphan We're all paying rapt attention. 2011-02-07 10:11:00 wickr flyingzumwalt: the captcha is including greek chars? 2011-02-07 10:11:09 mbklein mjg_: Damn you, you're too far away to throw things at. 2011-02-07 10:11:18 flyingzumwalt wickr: yep. not always, but yet. 2011-02-07 10:11:34 akorphan wickr: I am guessing that is the "unknown" half of the recaptcha. 2011-02-07 10:11:44 wickr flyingzumwalt: ok, not sure I can do much about that, short of disabling it 2011-02-07 10:11:48 mjg_ mbklein: you'll get your chance. 2011-02-07 10:12:17 flyingzumwalt wickr: thanks. I think we're done adding most of the links in this group 2011-02-07 10:12:32 zoia To prove you are a human, type the following phrase: TH҉̨E̕͝͞ ̧͝A͟R͞͝C͢H͝͝͡I͞TÉĆ̢̛T ̕I͜S̸͞҉ Á̢ ̸̡͞TO̶͜͝OL̷̛͠ 2011-02-07 10:12:41 yitznewton sibylschaefer: hope you have an easier time getting home this yr :) i stayed behind in NY 2011-02-07 10:13:50 sibylschaefer yitznewton I hope so too! Fingers crossed no snowstorms on Thurs 2011-02-07 10:14:20 mjg_ zoia's_puppetmaster++ 2011-02-07 10:14:38 mbklein mbklein whistles 2011-02-07 10:15:02 mbklein channel_captcha++ 2011-02-07 10:15:04 yitznewton i auditioned at IU for music back in the 90's. nice place! if anybody likes opera, hit them up - they apptly have a strong dept http://www.music.indiana.edu/opera/ [yeah yeah, wrong crowd, i know] 2011-02-07 10:15:26 mjg_ "I typed what mbklein told me to and all I got was this carpal tunnel syndrome" 2011-02-07 10:15:43 mbklein yitznewton: I was an undergrad music major who considered, but didn't audition for, IU. Though I have a number of friends who came here for undergrad and graduate music. 2011-02-07 10:15:56 mbklein mjg_: That's "crapal tunnel" 2011-02-07 10:16:10 yitznewton mbklein++ # what instrument? 2011-02-07 10:16:12 jbrinley mbklein: you, too? what instrument did you study? 2011-02-07 10:16:21 yitznewton i was organ/music ed 2011-02-07 10:16:31 jbrinley jbrinley did percussion 2011-02-07 10:16:32 yitznewton (never finished tho) 2011-02-07 10:16:36 gugek yitznewton: i was running this morning and heard an amazing number of people practicing instruments. 2011-02-07 10:16:44 gugek it was really surprising 2011-02-07 10:16:49 yitznewton gugek: yep, tis the way of music schools 2011-02-07 10:17:03 mbklein yitznewton: Voice principal, with some piano 2011-02-07 10:17:14 mbklein er, rather, jbrinley. :) 2011-02-07 10:17:32 jbrinley mbklein: I think we both asked 2011-02-07 10:17:34 yitznewton ah, voice majors (shudder)... those water-bottle-toting, scarf-wearing-in-July freaks 2011-02-07 10:17:46 jbrinley yitznewton++ # well said 2011-02-07 10:17:52 yitznewton my roommate freshman yr was a voice major 2011-02-07 10:18:12 yitznewton your piano redeems you 2011-02-07 10:18:17 mbklein yitznewton: I wasn't one of those. :) Actually, I had a concentration in Musical Theatre, which means the music department didn't want us musically, and the theatre department didn't want us theatrically. 2011-02-07 10:18:30 yitznewton musical_theatre++ 2011-02-07 10:18:40 yitznewton musical_misfits++ 2011-02-07 10:18:50 yitznewton i did some extracurr G&S whilst i was there 2011-02-07 10:19:17 ejk I would think the Venn diagram of Lib Geeks and Music Geeks would *almost* be a perfect circle 2011-02-07 10:19:26 mbklein The other odd thing about my undergrad experience... 2011-02-07 10:20:00 akorphan yitznewton: did your roommate wear a silk scarf all the time and complain about drafty rooms? 2011-02-07 10:20:20 akorphan oh, I see you have already described half of these bad habits. 2011-02-07 10:20:44 mbklein I went to the Benjamin T. Rome School of Music at The Catholic University of America. I was on an academic scholarship for music majors that was awarded to one person in each class year. My freshman year, it just so happened that each of the four Ward Scholarship holders happened to be the one Jewish student in their given year. :) 2011-02-07 10:20:58 akorphan yitznewton: where did you go? (did you answer that question already?) 2011-02-07 10:22:05 mbklein Voice majors: Scarf-wearing, draft-averse, tea-drinking, odd-vocal-warmup-making prima donnas WHO ALSO SMOKE IN ALARMING NUMBERS. 2011-02-07 10:22:13 yitznewton akorphan: oberlin. i was there 2.5 years, then transferred out 2011-02-07 10:22:28 akorphan yitznewton: oberlin++ !!! 2011-02-07 10:22:38 yitznewton oberlin++ 2011-02-07 10:22:38 mbklein yitznewton: When were you at Oberlin? 2011-02-07 10:22:41 yitznewton 98-00 2011-02-07 10:22:49 akorphan akorphan went to Oberlin but majored in math. 2011-02-07 10:22:58 mbklein Ah, after my friends' time. :) 2011-02-07 10:23:10 akorphan yitznewton: we overlapped 2011-02-07 10:23:10 yitznewton http://www.oberlin.edu/newserv/stories/19991029organ_pump.html <-- me 2011-02-07 10:23:23 mbklein I had various friends there from 86-92. 2011-02-07 10:23:29 akorphan akorphan was class of '99 2011-02-07 10:23:56 yitznewton akorphan: college? 2011-02-07 10:24:02 yitznewton akorphan: or con 2011-02-07 10:24:07 decasm_ akorphan: did you happen to know Ben Grubb? 2011-02-07 10:24:09 mbklein mbklein feels old 2011-02-07 10:24:43 jbrinley mbklein: that's only because you are old 2011-02-07 10:24:45 akorphan yitznewton: college. Had many (incurably depressed) friends in the con. The music majors I knew who were happiest were all College music majors 2011-02-07 10:25:00 MrDys MrDys hands mbklein a box of 'Touch of Gray' 2011-02-07 10:25:06 akorphan decasm_: The name vaguely rings a bell but I don't think I knew him 2011-02-07 10:25:31 decasm_ i went to high school with him. he and both his older siblings went to oberlin. 2011-02-07 10:26:01 mbklein MrDys: Thanks, but that stuff requires HAIR. 2011-02-07 10:26:04 akorphan decasm_: what were the years of the older sibs? My older brother is also an obie 2011-02-07 10:26:18 MrDys @sing hair : hair 2011-02-07 10:26:20 zoia She asks me why / I'm just a hairy guy / I'm hairy noon and night 2011-02-07 10:26:26 yitznewton akorphan: after a short time there i realized it's crazy to sit there in a room and work on perfecting music for minimum 4 hours per day. so i moved on. not for me, i guess. now I sit in a room writing code (i hope) for at least 4 hours a day... 2011-02-07 10:26:45 yitznewton (in addition to other non-code-related duties) 2011-02-07 10:27:17 akorphan yitznewton: I mostly remember spending lots of time sitting around the little round table in front of the math office staring at pieces of paper with other math students 2011-02-07 10:27:51 decasm_ akorphan: hmm. older sister (libby) would have been ...97?, then older brother (josh) would have been 95? 2011-02-07 10:27:57 MrDys ...and ndushay just strolls on in...you californians and your loose definition of time 2011-02-07 10:28:02 akorphan decasm_: e-mailing brother now... 2011-02-07 10:28:03 edsu mjg_: you around? 2011-02-07 10:28:30 mbklein yitznewton++ # Friday Night Organ Pump 2011-02-07 10:28:31 atz mbklein: if you're in Bloomington, your first round is on me... 2011-02-07 10:28:34 decasm_ akorphan: i'm sorta calculating backwards from when we graduated from highschool. ben probably would have been 99. 2011-02-07 10:28:43 decasm_ 99 from oberlin. 2011-02-07 10:29:00 BillDueber_ atz: If my "mbklein" you mean BillDueber, then awesome! 2011-02-07 10:29:27 mbklein atz: I'm here! Do we still need to talk GRI segments, or has that ship sailed? 2011-02-07 10:29:30 mbklein BillDueber++ 2011-02-07 10:29:46 edsu @sing frightened rabbit : midnight organ fight 2011-02-07 10:29:47 zoia edsu: No lyrics found for midnight organ fight by frightened rabbit 2011-02-07 10:30:22 atz mbklein: gig is up. KCLS is live, and gmcharlt is on point for whatever integration edge cases may remain (last i checked). 2011-02-07 10:30:27 mjg_ edsu: yep. what up? 2011-02-07 10:30:36 mbklein atz: Sweet 2011-02-07 10:30:37 edsu mjg_: just curious how curatecamp is going 2011-02-07 10:30:40 mjg_ every time vphill says "door counts," I hear "dork hounds" 2011-02-07 10:30:54 edsu mjg_: many people show up? 2011-02-07 10:31:02 mjg_ edsu: so far, so good. we have 5 or 6 groups around a big room 2011-02-07 10:31:11 mjg_ 30-somethingish? 2011-02-07 10:31:15 edsu nice 2011-02-07 10:31:26 edsu is anyone talking about that bag replication stuff? 2011-02-07 10:31:27 ndushay good morning campers! 2011-02-07 10:31:33 mbklein mjg_: How much work is actually getting done? 2011-02-07 10:31:52 mjg_ I'm with anarchivist, vphill, and a few others. we're talking about an event service. 2011-02-07 10:32:02 akorphan akorphan misses anarchivist's white glasses. 2011-02-07 10:32:14 anarchivist mbklein: i'm still hacking on my proposal for the camp 2011-02-07 10:32:17 mjg_ mbklein: I dunno how many people are actually hacking but the conversation has been productive 2011-02-07 10:32:18 mbklein mjg_: Will there be beer at this "event"? 2011-02-07 10:32:21 edsu mjg_: cool 2011-02-07 10:32:43 fowbar @anarchivist = big red glasses - nice 2011-02-07 10:32:44 zoia fowbar: that's not a departmental goal; it's just an rsinger goal 2011-02-07 10:32:48 edsu mjg_: kinda like what vphill is doing w/ their premis events service thing? 2011-02-07 10:32:56 mjg_ edsu: precisely 2011-02-07 10:33:01 robcaSSon sally jesse matienzo 2011-02-07 10:33:03 ndushay to anyone in the solr session - has the break happened yet? 2011-02-07 10:33:18 mjg_ something to toss arbitrary events at that can then power admin dashboards, stats services, etc. 2011-02-07 10:33:27 mjg_ robcaSSon++ 2011-02-07 10:33:32 ndushay i think i see MrDys - i recognize him by his chops from the back 2011-02-07 10:33:37 atz solr still rollin, ndushay 2011-02-07 10:33:47 MrDys ndushay: yuuuuuuuuuuuuup 2011-02-07 10:33:51 ndushay atz: ja - i just got here, but wondering if we're taking a break 2011-02-07 10:34:01 edsu mjg_: on the bag replication front, was wondering if something like what apache does with mirroring could be a first step in a more mediated kind of bag replication: http://www.apache.org/info/how-to-mirror.html 2011-02-07 10:34:03 ndushay i'm from the west coast, ja know. 2011-02-07 10:34:21 mjg_ edsu: no one's talked about the bag repl thing yet, but it'd be a good thing to kick around :) 2011-02-07 10:34:30 edsu mjg_: before jumping into APIs and whatnot, might be more along the lines of what you and vphill had in mind at first? 2011-02-07 10:34:42 anarchivist mjg_: go kick your bags in the privacy of your room 2011-02-07 10:34:43 BillDueber_ ndushay: No break as of yet. 2011-02-07 10:34:58 edsu mjg_: ok, well don't let me distract you ; nice thing about meeting in person, is well, talking to people :-) 2011-02-07 10:35:03 mbklein mbklein kicks mjg_ in the bags 2011-02-07 10:35:06 ndushay BillDueber!!!!!!!! Honey!!! 2011-02-07 10:35:07 mjg_ edsu: will check that out! 2011-02-07 10:35:08 MrDys "I just got here and I already need a break." You californians... 2011-02-07 10:35:18 ndushay MrDys: you bet. 2011-02-07 10:35:29 ndushay actually i'm wondering if i should disruptively plug in now or wait until the break 2011-02-07 10:35:46 BillDueber_ ndushay: You could just look over your left shoulder and smile :-) 2011-02-07 10:35:46 edsu mbklein: you in the solr session? 2011-02-07 10:36:01 ndushay BillDueber_: I wouldn't want to give anyone else the wrong idea. 2011-02-07 10:36:06 BillDueber_ :-) 2011-02-07 10:36:23 ndushay edsu: mbklein: all the cool kids are in the Solr sessions 2011-02-07 10:36:25 ndushay :-D 2011-02-07 10:36:31 mbklein edsu: CurateCamp Hackfest. Sitting around a table with eby, cbeer, and others trying to figure out what to hack on. In Ruby, specifically. 2011-02-07 10:36:42 anarchivist mbklein: funny, i'm working in ruby right now 2011-02-07 10:36:46 edsu ndushay: sounds like a good reason not to be there :-) 2011-02-07 10:36:49 ndushay mbklein: might I suggest a computer? 2011-02-07 10:36:51 anarchivist can someone help with a blacklight question? 2011-02-07 10:37:00 mbklein anarchivist: Get over here, then. 2011-02-07 10:37:02 mbklein :) 2011-02-07 10:37:04 MrDys anarchivist: spit it out 2011-02-07 10:37:12 edsu edsu isn't even at code4lib, so i'm *totally* un-cool 2011-02-07 10:37:40 ndushay edsu: I presume you are the revered Ed Summers? 2011-02-07 10:37:47 BillDueber_ edsu: No, that makes you supercool. "incool", evne. LIke "invulnerable" or "infamous" 2011-02-07 10:37:54 anarchivist so, given the following rake task 2011-02-07 10:37:54 mbklein heh. "revered." 2011-02-07 10:37:55 ndushay anarchivist: fire away 2011-02-07 10:37:58 edsu ndushay: no comment 2011-02-07 10:38:01 mbklein edsu++ 2011-02-07 10:38:02 BillDueber_ revered????? 2011-02-07 10:38:10 edsu s/revered/reviled/ 2011-02-07 10:38:13 MrDys reverend ed summers 2011-02-07 10:38:16 dchud revererted 2011-02-07 10:38:17 anarchivist https://github.com/anarchivist/gumshoe/blob/master/lib/tasks/app.rake 2011-02-07 10:38:19 ndushay BillDueber_: mbklein: it's the best I can do at 7:30 am 2011-02-07 10:38:21 MrDys @ana reverend ed summers 2011-02-07 10:38:22 zoia MrDys: Murder deserves men 2011-02-07 10:38:34 anarchivist so i'm trying to get app:image:index running 2011-02-07 10:38:36 edsu so what's going on in the solr session? 2011-02-07 10:38:48 MrDys edsu: erik's talking about spellcheck improvements 2011-02-07 10:39:05 anarchivist i'm getting "uninitialized constant RSolr::Client" 2011-02-07 10:39:11 ndushay anarchivist: looing 2011-02-07 10:39:12 ndushay looking 2011-02-07 10:39:14 ndushay heh 2011-02-07 10:39:38 edsu dchud: are you in solr session too? 2011-02-07 10:39:50 ndushay anarchivist: the mapper stuff in blacklight is old and not supported, i believe 2011-02-07 10:39:56 ndushay it's from Matt Mitchell 2011-02-07 10:39:57 dchud edsu: yes though i can't read any of the slides so i'm half tuned-out :\ 2011-02-07 10:40:38 dchud thinking about swapping out to go camping 2011-02-07 10:40:39 edsu dchud: would be interesting to hear if anyone there is doing much to filter bad ocr w/ solr 2011-02-07 10:41:07 robcaSSon tom burton-west would make sense to talk to....hathi trust dude 2011-02-07 10:41:08 anarchivist ndushay: i'm just trying to index an array of hashes 2011-02-07 10:41:23 anarchivist ndushay: full stack trace: https://gist.github.com/814551 2011-02-07 10:41:29 robcaSSon edsu: lots of awful, multi-language ocr 2011-02-07 10:41:30 fowbar dchud: you should join us in Frangipani - anarchivist has a project you'd like 2011-02-07 10:41:41 edsu dchud: yeah, that's where i'd be at any rate 2011-02-07 10:42:00 edsu solr++ # however 2011-02-07 10:42:04 dchud fowbar: you're here? and you already met anarchivist? oh good. :) 2011-02-07 10:42:14 anarchivist dchud: we're sitting at the same table :) 2011-02-07 10:42:16 BillDueber_ dchud: Talk to Tom (right in front of me). Short answer, though -- boy, no one knows shit about dealing with bad OCR 2011-02-07 10:42:20 robcaSSon robcaSSon is ready for lunch already 2011-02-07 10:42:26 BillDueber_ robcaSSon++ 2011-02-07 10:42:27 dchud edsu: i'm interested in the grouping functions 2011-02-07 10:42:31 anarchivist robcaSSon: munchies? 2011-02-07 10:42:37 robcaSSon anarchivist++ 2011-02-07 10:42:40 jbrinley robcaSSon: blame jet lag 2011-02-07 10:42:43 fowbar dchud: I'm at his table discussing pre-ingest solr stats rights management yadaddaaddaa 2011-02-07 10:42:51 dchud heh 2011-02-07 10:42:55 mjg_ now we're talking about ingest assumptions, trying to figure out why ingest is expensive or perceived as expensive 2011-02-07 10:43:15 robcaSSon @quote search glad talking 2011-02-07 10:43:17 ndushay anarchivist: my code: 2011-02-07 10:43:18 ndushay # return a Connection::NetHttp object to use for Solr http interactions via RSolr 2011-02-07 10:43:18 ndushay def config_solr(solr_baseurl) 2011-02-07 10:43:18 ndushay if @solr.nil? 2011-02-07 10:43:18 ndushay require "yaml" 2011-02-07 10:43:18 ndushay solr_config = YAML::load(YAML::dump({:url=>solr_baseurl.to_s})) 2011-02-07 10:43:18 ndushay if Gem.available? 'curb' 2011-02-07 10:43:19 zoia robcaSSon: No matching quotes were found. 2011-02-07 10:43:19 ndushay require 'curb' 2011-02-07 10:43:19 ndushay @solr = RSolr.connect(solr_config.merge(:adapter=>:curb)) 2011-02-07 10:43:20 ndushay else 2011-02-07 10:43:20 ndushay @solr = RSolr.connect(solr_config) 2011-02-07 10:43:21 ndushay end 2011-02-07 10:43:21 ndushay puts "Solr initialized with solr_config: #{solr_config.inspect}" 2011-02-07 10:43:22 ndushay puts "Solr initialized with solr: #{@solr.inspect}" 2011-02-07 10:43:22 ndushay end 2011-02-07 10:43:23 ndushay @solr 2011-02-07 10:43:34 robcaSSon @quote search talking 2011-02-07 10:43:38 zoia robcaSSon: 11 found: #1459: " Sorry. I hate talking about copyright and...", #1538: "< edsu> could be worse, we could be talking...", #155: " I checked with the authorities and can...", #1992: " Documents are talking things. They...", #2080: " what we talk about when we talk...", #2130: " mbklein: you, sir, have no idea what...", #2255: " Oh, totally. I assume everyone (1 more message) 2011-02-07 10:43:42 akorphan solr headache! 2011-02-07 10:43:48 BillDueber_ @quote get 2255 2011-02-07 10:43:49 zoia BillDueber_: Quote #2255: " Oh, totally. I assume everyone in channel is completely talking out of their collective asses." (added by gmcharlt at 09:20 PM, April 08, 2010) 2011-02-07 10:44:08 MrDys @ana collective asses 2011-02-07 10:44:10 zoia MrDys: Loveliest access 2011-02-07 10:44:19 ndushay anarchivist: and the other part: 2011-02-07 10:44:20 BillDueber_ zoia++ # wow 2011-02-07 10:44:20 zoia BillDueber_: ummmm, maybe you're looking for sendmail4lib? 2011-02-07 10:44:21 dchud ndushay: pastebins are helpful for that 2011-02-07 10:44:21 ndushay # given an array, where each array element represents a single Solr document 2011-02-07 10:44:21 ndushay # as a hash: [solr_doc1, solr_doc2, solr_doc3, ...] 2011-02-07 10:44:21 ndushay # and the solr_doc hashes are {solr_field_name => value} 2011-02-07 10:44:21 ndushay # key: solr field name as a string 2011-02-07 10:44:21 ndushay # value: single value as a string OR multiple values as an array 2011-02-07 10:44:21 ndushay def execute_solr_add_from_doc_hash_array(solr_doc_hash_array, solr_baseurl) 2011-02-07 10:44:21 ndushay @solr = config_solr(solr_baseurl) 2011-02-07 10:44:22 ndushay @solr.add(solr_doc_hash_array) 2011-02-07 10:44:22 ndushay end 2011-02-07 10:44:23 edsu doesn't ruby have a paste service? 2011-02-07 10:44:34 ndushay dchud: oops 2011-02-07 10:44:36 ndushay i'm a luddite 2011-02-07 10:44:37 ndushay sorry 2011-02-07 10:44:43 edsu i thought ruby was all web2.0 and stuff :-) 2011-02-07 10:44:48 mjg_ gist.github.com is pretty good too. nice colorization 2011-02-07 10:44:49 anarchivist @mf edsu 2011-02-07 10:44:49 zoia Hey, edsu... 2011-02-07 10:44:50 zoia .-. 2011-02-07 10:44:51 zoia |-| 2011-02-07 10:44:52 zoia | | 2011-02-07 10:44:53 dchud ndushay: no worries, see gist at github for a really convenient one 2011-02-07 10:44:53 zoia _.-|=|-. 2011-02-07 10:44:54 zoia / | | | | 2011-02-07 10:44:55 zoia | |\ 2011-02-07 10:44:56 zoia | / 2011-02-07 10:44:57 zoia \ /` 2011-02-07 10:44:58 zoia | | 2011-02-07 10:45:06 anarchivist ndushay: it's choking on rsolr-ext, it looks like 2011-02-07 10:45:08 ndushay anarchivist: part two: http://pastie.org/1537244 2011-02-07 10:45:16 mjg_ dchud, esdu: how'd yer NDNP pre-pre-conf go? 2011-02-07 10:45:18 robcaSSon @sing toots and the maytals : living in the ghetto 2011-02-07 10:45:20 zoia robcaSSon: No lyrics found for living in the ghetto by toots and the maytals 2011-02-07 10:45:24 edsu anarchivist: i think it's missing an 'end' there somewhere 2011-02-07 10:45:31 dchud ndushay: thanks :) 2011-02-07 10:45:41 ndushay anarchivist: part 1: http://pastie.org/1537247 2011-02-07 10:45:50 anarchivist ndushay++ 2011-02-07 10:46:12 edsu mjg_: i was really happy with it 2011-02-07 10:46:20 robcaSSon jbrinley: when you headed to mexico? 2011-02-07 10:46:44 decasm_ makeBlackAdder 2011-02-07 10:46:44 edsu mjg_: useful discussion about the cost of ingest actually 2011-02-07 10:46:50 MrDys "you boys like mex-i-co? wooooo!" 2011-02-07 10:46:57 jbrinley robcaSSon: 2 weeks 2011-02-07 10:46:58 robcaSSon MrDys++ 2011-02-07 10:47:07 dchud mjg_: pretty well i think. nice to have the aws/ami/ebs work edsu and eikeon did in prep for it 2011-02-07 10:47:47 edsu mjg_: converting to jp2/tif to jpg for example ; so that our opensource software doesn't have to work w/ jp2 on the fly, or require huge storage overhead (tif) 2011-02-07 10:47:48 dchud nabeta, yegusa, tzhaya: ようこそ！ :) 2011-02-07 10:47:54 mjg_ edsu: yeah, it's been interesting :) I'm keeping notes since we're building an ingest app now and want to make it "simple." 2011-02-07 10:48:01 edsu mjg_: that conversation was really helpful for me 2011-02-07 10:48:31 zoia jeff JUST ISN'T TRYING HARD ENOUGH. 2011-02-07 10:48:32 mjg_ edsu, dchud: excellent. 2011-02-07 10:48:53 edsu mjg_: also, started working on a simple chronam skin that uses the core modeling/indexing bits that eikeon split out into their own repo 2011-02-07 10:49:07 dchud dchud wishes he could've just seen mjg_ tap his fingers together Burns-style 2011-02-07 10:49:16 edsu mjg_: https://bitbucket.org/edsu/chronam-simple 2011-02-07 10:49:18 mjg_ edsu: yeah, I think I saw that reflected in yer hg repos. 2011-02-07 10:49:28 edsu you don't miss much ... 2011-02-07 10:49:29 akorphan decasm_: So my brother apparently knew Libby. 2011-02-07 10:49:37 anarchivist ndushay: no dice 2011-02-07 10:49:58 mjg_ edsu: I just follow you around 2011-02-07 10:49:59 ndushay anarchivist: maybe we could work on this f2f 2011-02-07 10:50:06 anarchivist ndushay: sure thing 2011-02-07 10:50:07 mjg_ edsu: btw, I like the pants you were wearing last night 2011-02-07 10:50:27 mjg_ dchud: you'll probably see it before the week is over. 2011-02-07 10:50:27 ndushay mjg_ + edsu sitting in a tree ... 2011-02-07 10:50:29 BillDueber_ mjg_: OK, now it's just getting creeping in here 2011-02-07 10:50:37 MrDys sartorialists4lib 2011-02-07 10:50:40 BillDueber_ s/creeping/creepy/ 2011-02-07 10:51:10 BillDueber_ BillDueber_ is gonna sneak out and see if there's still pop out there. 2011-02-07 10:51:10 anarchivist ndushay: never mind, i figured it out 2011-02-07 10:51:21 anarchivist ndushay: needed "require 'rsolr-ext'" 2011-02-07 10:51:31 ndushay anarchivist++ 2011-02-07 10:51:49 dchud mjg_: not if i can help it 2011-02-07 10:52:06 nabeta ありがとうございます :-) I enjoy this session 2011-02-07 10:52:07 mjg_ dchud: staying in the hot tub all week? :) 2011-02-07 10:52:07 dchud or, maybe in a few minutes. 2011-02-07 10:52:08 MrDys uh oh...looks like I need to read up on solrcloud 2011-02-07 10:52:24 dchud mjg_: youknowit 2011-02-07 10:52:31 dchud ok camping now. 2011-02-07 10:52:55 ndushay erik needs more pictures 2011-02-07 10:53:11 ndushay my presentation will just be blank slides with a picture of bacon on them. 2011-02-07 10:53:34 mbklein ndushay: Forget the slides. Just give out bacon. 2011-02-07 10:53:46 ndushay mbklein: what are you, jewish? 2011-02-07 10:53:47 robcaSSon MrDys: i think the cloud stuff is very much in dev/flux 2011-02-07 10:53:48 MrDys ndushay: I thought you presentation was all going to be us watching code running down the screen, matrix-style 2011-02-07 10:53:50 decasm_ ndushay: if there's a picture on them, they're not blank. 2011-02-07 10:54:03 mbklein ndushay: IT TASTES BETTER BECAUSE IT'S FORBIDDEN 2011-02-07 10:54:07 ndushay decasm: good point. 2011-02-07 10:54:36 MrDys robcaSSon: probably. and I don't think that we have the load balancing requirements that Netflix does...but I am apparently the solr container/tweaker admin thing for our blacklight instance 2011-02-07 10:54:41 decasm_ akorphan: small world, i guess. is oberlin a school that attracts entire families? 2011-02-07 10:55:04 edsu mjg_: view's pretty good from up here, hey look out that branch is ... &crack; 2011-02-07 10:55:09 akorphan i think it tends to. Though we couldn't convince my sister to go no matter how hard we tried. 2011-02-07 10:55:15 ndushay MrDys: I'd be happy for you to be the Solr container/tweaker admin thing for our searchworks blacklight 2011-02-07 10:55:21 robcaSSon MrDys: yeah...prolly just need a shit ton of RAM and a master/slave 2011-02-07 10:55:25 mjg_ mjg_ snorts 2011-02-07 10:55:51 ndushay robcaSSon: MrDys: that's our approach 2011-02-07 10:56:09 MrDys robcaSSon: that's our approach right now, but we have an indexer container and a query container, each running multiple cores 2011-02-07 10:56:14 ndushay except we are about to combine multiple shards that are not entirely alike. 2011-02-07 10:56:18 tokeee Distribution in the Solr/Lucene world has always been a tricky issue due to the term stat based ranking. As long as one can stay on single machines, everything is a lot easier 2011-02-07 10:57:19 robcaSSon ndushay: curious about the sharding....are you just getting indexes that large? 2011-02-07 10:57:28 decasm_ sharting? 2011-02-07 10:57:42 robcaSSon or just separate document types that don't collapse well.... 2011-02-07 10:57:48 robcaSSon decasm+- # eww 2011-02-07 10:57:49 ndushay robcaSSon: no, it's because we're combining image metadata with our marc metadata for a single search 2011-02-07 10:58:05 ndushay and right now it seems easier than one index. but that may be a bad assumption. 2011-02-07 10:58:33 ndushay another developer is doing the image metadata to Solr, and we hammered out a universal schema. 2011-02-07 10:58:33 robcaSSon ndushay: i harvest some image collections into our solr index...just DC, so i just push it all together 2011-02-07 10:58:42 robcaSSon ndushay: gotcha 2011-02-07 11:00:01 ndushay tests++ 2011-02-07 11:00:57 MrDys @quote add I did write the book on ant...so... 2011-02-07 11:00:58 zoia MrDys: Error: You must be registered to use this command. If you are already registered, you must either identify (using the identify command) or add a hostmask matching your current hostmask (using the "hostmask add" command). 2011-02-07 11:01:14 tokeee ndushay: We're merging about 14 different sources, going from full MARC to rudimentary custom metadata for recorded TV into the same index. It works surprising well 2011-02-07 11:01:26 MrDys @quote add I did write the book on ant...so... 2011-02-07 11:01:27 zoia MrDys: The operation succeeded. Quote #2502 added. 2011-02-07 11:01:28 robcaSSon erikhatcher++ 2011-02-07 11:01:40 ndushay tokeee: the problem is weaning the marc folks down to a more rudimentary index. 2011-02-07 11:01:56 robcaSSon @eightball are librarians always the problem? 2011-02-07 11:01:56 zoia robcaSSon: No chance. 2011-02-07 11:02:07 robcaSSon zoia: spoken like a librarian 2011-02-07 11:02:07 zoia robcaSSon: http://www.stopabductions.com/ 2011-02-07 11:02:10 ndushay I let them get too out of control on the index - my bad. my very bad. 2011-02-07 11:02:52 tokeee ndushay: Bad for you. We've managed to keep them at bay by adopting one into our group and brainwashing her 2011-02-07 11:03:19 ndushay it's actually my fault. I could have avoided it if I had been thinking far enough ahead. 2011-02-07 11:03:38 BillDueber_ ndushay: Is it a problem to have a complex index? Ours is pretty complex, but once set up we don't worry about it much. 2011-02-07 11:04:14 ndushay BillDueber_: I'll let you know after we get single search for marc + image metadata working nicely together. 2011-02-07 11:04:39 BillDueber_ ndushay: Ah. Mixing and matching. I can see where that'd be a problem. 2011-02-07 11:04:55 robcaSSon BillDueber_: frankly, my schema is a bit of a mess, but seems to be working "well enough" 2011-02-07 11:05:05 ndushay BillDueber_: I would bet we have one of the most complex marc based indexes 2011-02-07 11:05:58 eby Marc-- 2011-02-07 11:06:25 ndushay are all of these features in Solr 1.5? 2011-02-07 11:06:38 MrDys ndushay: some are, some aren't 2011-02-07 11:06:40 BillDueber_ ndushay: Nope 2011-02-07 11:06:42 ndushay when will Solr 1.5 be released? 2011-02-07 11:06:52 MrDys ndushay: a lot of this is just coming out of trunk 2011-02-07 11:06:56 knickum some are trunk/4.0+ (?) 2011-02-07 11:07:04 BillDueber_ ndushay: They're gonna call it version 3, and "sometime soon" 2011-02-07 11:07:06 MrDys some of it is getting backported to 3.1...but that's not guarenteed 2011-02-07 11:07:11 tokeee March, I think. Bu Erik wouldn't promise anything 2011-02-07 11:07:50 ndushay "interesting open issues" ??????? 2011-02-07 11:07:52 mjg_ I'm hungry. 2011-02-07 11:07:54 ndushay === bugs? 2011-02-07 11:08:07 ndushay nice spin. 2011-02-07 11:08:11 knickum features 2011-02-07 11:08:33 knickum bugs === features 2011-02-07 11:08:55 ndushay "interesting open features" === it's broken. 2011-02-07 11:10:13 robcaSSon @translationparty tengo hambre 2011-02-07 11:10:22 zoia robcaSSon: Tengohanbure 2011-02-07 11:10:48 ndushay this conference always makes me feel ignorant. 2011-02-07 11:11:00 BillDueber ndushay: Me too. It's due to our ignorance. 2011-02-07 11:11:10 ndushay BillDueber++ 2011-02-07 11:11:57 ndushay advanced search with XMLQueryParser sounds good, but I dread the xsl 2011-02-07 11:12:06 ndushay xsl breaks my head if it's complex at all. 2011-02-07 11:12:08 zoia There are two kinds of people in this world: those that are helpful and mjg_. 2011-02-07 11:12:18 mbklein Ain't that the truth 2011-02-07 11:12:26 ndushay sounds like it shouldn't be too bad, though. 2011-02-07 11:12:45 ndushay remediating dublin core via xsl was not fun. 2011-02-07 11:13:00 MrDys I rather like xsl, except for when you have to hack it to do basic programming things 2011-02-07 11:13:13 BillDueber @scalia remediating dublin core via xsl was not fun. 2011-02-07 11:13:14 zoia BillDueber: remediating dublin 'core' via xsl was not fun. 2011-02-07 11:13:18 robcaSSon ndushay++ # the tagging/localparams works damn well enuff 2011-02-07 11:13:21 ndushay it's okay for what it does 2011-02-07 11:13:23 MrDys doing our dspace design with xsl was rather fun 2011-02-07 11:13:31 MrDys what am I talking about? nothing with dspace is fun 2011-02-07 11:13:31 robcaSSon @urbandict fun 2011-02-07 11:13:32 zoia robcaSSon: fun: Spongebob's Definition: F- is for friends who do stuff together! U- is for you and me! N- is for anywhere and anytime at all down here in the deep blue sea! Plankton's Definition: F- is for FIRE that burns down the whole town! U- is for URANIUM... bombs! N- is for NO SURVIVAL WHEN YOU... Spongebob and Plankton together: F- is for Frolic through all the flowers U- is for ukelele N- is for nose pickin(not what u (4 more messages) 2011-02-07 11:13:34 mbklein @tweet Looking forward to the vendor tables at #c4l11. I hear THEARCHITECT.COM is giving away ferrets! 2011-02-07 11:13:35 zoia mbklein: The operation succeeded. 2011-02-07 11:13:43 ndushay it's the not being able to use a variable as anything other than a constant that gets me. 2011-02-07 11:13:54 tokeee ndushay: Actually we trained our adopted librarian to do XSLT. Win win all alround as it frees us from touching the stuff most of the time 2011-02-07 11:14:07 mbklein That would be funnier if THEARCHITECT.COM didn't point to an actual architect's web site. Oops. 2011-02-07 11:14:20 mbklein @tweet Looking forward to the vendor tables at #c4l11. I hear THEARCHITECT.INFO is giving away ferrets! 2011-02-07 11:14:22 zoia mbklein: The operation succeeded. 2011-02-07 11:14:23 BillDueber tokeee: That's like training a dog to bang its head against the wall 2011-02-07 11:14:24 ndushay tokeee: what, their heads are already so sideways that a recursive language with no variables makes sense to them? 2011-02-07 11:14:34 robcaSSon lucidimagination++ 2011-02-07 11:14:39 ndushay we have an xsl fluent librarian as well. probably more than 1. 2011-02-07 11:14:39 tokeee ndushay: I think you've got a point 2011-02-07 11:14:46 MrDys BillDueber: you'd be surprised how eager some cataloggers are to learn something like xsl 2011-02-07 11:14:57 BillDueber BillDueber has high hopes for the XML query stuff 2011-02-07 11:15:25 ndushay I agree with BillDueber - it does sound like it has potential 2011-02-07 11:15:28 royt @herald add royt Look! A loser who couldn't make it to the conference just walked in! 2011-02-07 11:15:29 zoia royt: The operation succeeded. 2011-02-07 11:15:43 robcaSSon MrDys: and some of the "digital humanities" folks too 2011-02-07 11:15:57 MrDys robcaSSon: yeah it'd be nice if we had some of those 2011-02-07 11:16:04 royt wow, lots of folks in here today in the run-up to the conf 2011-02-07 11:16:09 ndushay @zoai quote "I'm still trying to understand our marketing people - Erik Hatcher" 2011-02-07 11:16:10 zoia ndushay: I have altered the deal. Pray I do not alter it any further. 2011-02-07 11:16:47 ndushay royt: we are not having any fun without you. 2011-02-07 11:16:54 robcaSSon royt: seems like quite a few folks for the preconfs this year, but don't know numbers 2011-02-07 11:17:02 royt ndushay: right ;-) 2011-02-07 11:17:03 mjg_ mbklein++ 2011-02-07 11:17:15 ndushay time for the luv fest: 2011-02-07 11:17:20 ndushay BillDueber++ 2011-02-07 11:17:21 royt @quote add "I'm still trying to understand our marketing people - Erik Hatcher" 2011-02-07 11:17:22 zoia royt: Error: You must be registered to use this command. If you are already registered, you must either identify (using the identify command) or add a hostmask matching your current hostmask (using the "hostmask add" command). 2011-02-07 11:17:24 ndushay mbklein++ 2011-02-07 11:17:27 ndushay MrDys++ 2011-02-07 11:17:31 ndushay mjg_++ 2011-02-07 11:17:37 ndushay royt++ 2011-02-07 11:17:43 ndushay anarchivist++ 2011-02-07 11:17:48 BillDueber @quote add erikhatcher I'm still trying to understand our marketing people 2011-02-07 11:17:49 zoia BillDueber: Error: You must be registered to use this command. If you are already registered, you must either identify (using the identify command) or add a hostmask matching your current hostmask (using the "hostmask add" command). 2011-02-07 11:17:49 ndushay tokeee++ 2011-02-07 11:18:04 mbklein zoia! 2011-02-07 11:18:04 zoia mbklein! 2011-02-07 11:18:12 BillDueber @quote add erikhatcher I'm still trying to understand our marketing people 2011-02-07 11:18:13 zoia BillDueber: Error: You must be registered to use this command. If you are already registered, you must either identify (using the identify command) or add a hostmask matching your current hostmask (using the "hostmask add" command). 2011-02-07 11:18:27 royt @quote add "I'm still trying to understand our marketing people - Erik Hatcher" 2011-02-07 11:18:27 zoia royt: The operation succeeded. Quote #2503 added. 2011-02-07 11:18:39 royt royt raises fist 2011-02-07 11:18:47 ndushay royt++ 2011-02-07 11:18:55 MrDys please, royt, don't hurt 'em 2011-02-07 11:19:03 royt lol 2011-02-07 11:19:13 ndushay fisting is not permitted in the code4lib channel. 2011-02-07 11:19:20 royt rotfl 2011-02-07 11:19:21 BillDueber royt: Are you not coming, or just not here yet? 2011-02-07 11:19:33 MrDys http://static.rateyourmusic.com/album_images/762532422db4d461a2c6d5270a62e19b/6736.jpg 2011-02-07 11:19:41 tokeee tokeee is the one with the black T-Shirt with the yellow star, btw. Second timer @ code4lib (would have been third timer if not for snow and a timid pilot) 2011-02-07 11:19:42 royt BillDueber: can't, they scheduled a twice-yearly multi-day meeting this week that I can't miss 2011-02-07 11:19:47 ndushay i apologize to anyone I offended. I can't help myself. 2011-02-07 11:19:50 MrDys if only I had photoshop open, I could do something with that album cover... 2011-02-07 11:19:54 MrDys oh wait I do 2011-02-07 11:20:13 BillDueber royt: Well, that's ok. I mean, a three day meeting in Ohio is...err...kinda the same... 2011-02-07 11:20:24 mbklein ndushay: That's two for two. Don't make me give you the brochure. 2011-02-07 11:20:30 royt BillDueber: San Mateo, so not as bad as all that 2011-02-07 11:20:32 ndushay royt that was INCREDIBLY stupid of them. code4lib not important to OCLC? 2011-02-07 11:20:47 royt ndushay: no, just not important to my boss 2011-02-07 11:21:13 royt well, shouldn't say that, the dates are determined well in advance, unlike C4L 2011-02-07 11:21:20 ndushay mbklein: I went to that class too. I just lack the part of the brain that keeps folks from blurting out what they are thinking 2011-02-07 11:21:32 eby @blame iCal 2011-02-07 11:21:33 zoia eby: iCal tried to use NoSQL 2011-02-07 11:21:37 ndushay this is why I don't need alcohol 2011-02-07 11:22:04 eby eby will take ndushay 's share 2011-02-07 11:22:31 ndushay sadly, the one time I got a bit tipsy, I just got a lot louder. 2011-02-07 11:23:17 decasm_ royt: am i the only one here this year? 2011-02-07 11:23:26 decasm_ say it aint so. 2011-02-07 11:23:42 MrDys here we go: http://i.imgur.com/EuK04.jpg 2011-02-07 11:23:44 MrDys royt: you're welcome 2011-02-07 11:23:56 ndushay deeeeemian? 2011-02-07 11:24:12 ndushay daemon? 2011-02-07 11:24:14 ndushay demon? 2011-02-07 11:27:15 yitznewton MrDys++ 2011-02-07 11:27:42 yitznewton tennant time 2011-02-07 11:27:52 ndushay is that like miller time? 2011-02-07 11:28:36 eby But with scotch 2011-02-07 11:28:43 akorphan cbeer time? 2011-02-07 11:28:55 eby @whiskey royt 2011-02-07 11:28:57 zoia zoia pours a shot of Fettercairn and sends it sliding down the bar to royt (http://whisky.com/brands/fettercairn_brand.html) 2011-02-07 11:30:16 zoia it's all obst's fault 2011-02-07 11:30:33 royt eby++ 2011-02-07 11:31:02 royt decasm_: no, Karen Coombs will be there 2011-02-07 11:31:25 mcdonald1 have you guys seen sink the biz at nick's english hut - maybe you could try that with scotch - 2011-02-07 11:31:30 royt MrDys++ 2011-02-07 11:31:41 royt MrDys: but your Photoshop skills need some practice ;-) 2011-02-07 11:31:51 gsf i'm on freenode! 2011-02-07 11:32:03 MrDys royt: look at the timestamps, from creation to posting that took 3 minutes 2011-02-07 11:32:13 BillDueber Did erik talk about the realtime stuff at all and I missed it? 2011-02-07 11:32:22 royt MrDys: :-) 2011-02-07 11:32:44 royt MrDys: In that case, excellent work 2011-02-07 11:32:52 tokeee BillDueber: A little bit with the cahces on segment level 2011-02-07 11:33:18 tokeee BillDueber: But no, not the part about getting readers from writers and such 2011-02-07 11:33:58 ndushay Is everyone going to leave before 11am thursday? can I avoid actually giving my presentation? 2011-02-07 11:34:35 gsf protip: for those on ubuntu machines who can't get online at the conference so are tethered to their t-mobile android phone, you need sasl for irssi to connect to freenode 2011-02-07 11:34:51 atz gsf++ 2011-02-07 11:39:16 jbrinley @quote random 2011-02-07 11:39:17 zoia jbrinley: Quote #2251: " but i am a lazy bastard morno government employee" (added by mjgiarlo at 04:10 PM, April 05, 2010) 2011-02-07 11:39:18 dbs @hate not being at code4lib 2011-02-07 11:39:20 zoia dbs: The operation succeeded. dbs hates not being at code4lib. 2011-02-07 11:40:17 yitznewton mbklein++ # for RTing Wes Crusher 2011-02-07 11:40:33 hdl @hate not beint at code4lib 2011-02-07 11:40:35 zoia hdl: The operation succeeded. hdl hates not beint at code4lib. 2011-02-07 11:40:47 hdl being even 2011-02-07 11:41:07 yitznewton not bint at c4l 2011-02-07 11:41:10 ndushay beint -> feint -> faint -> paint 2011-02-07 11:41:23 robcaSSon @damlev 2011-02-07 11:41:23 zoia robcaSSon: usage: damlev 2011-02-07 11:41:25 eefcee @hate not being at code4lib 2011-02-07 11:41:27 zoia eefcee: The operation succeeded. eefcee hates not being at code4lib. 2011-02-07 11:44:10 atz hdl: i suspect you would have some good questions for Eric Hatcher on Solr as relates to Unicode 2011-02-07 11:44:41 anarchivist @quote random 2011-02-07 11:44:41 zoia anarchivist: Quote #806: " There are strong religious arguments on both sides of this issue...and they are both equally boring." (added by ksclarke at 04:43 PM, March 30, 2007) 2011-02-07 11:44:53 gsf willkurt++ this is the classiest pre-conf 2011-02-07 11:45:32 gsf i feel like i'm learning 2011-02-07 11:45:55 chelociraptor gsf: is that a rare feeling? 2011-02-07 11:46:09 mcdonald1 gsf: which pre-conference? 2011-02-07 11:46:13 ndushay @quote add "oh what a feeling" 2011-02-07 11:46:13 zoia ndushay: Error: You must be registered to use this command. If you are already registered, you must either identify (using the identify command) or add a hostmask matching your current hostmask (using the "hostmask add" command). 2011-02-07 11:46:41 gsf chelociraptor: in a classroom setting, yes 2011-02-07 11:47:02 gsf mcdonald1: functional javascript 2011-02-07 11:47:15 mcdonald1 gsf: cool 2011-02-07 11:50:19 maccabee hungry... 2011-02-07 11:50:30 ndushay also hungry ... 2011-02-07 11:50:35 chelociraptor me too 2011-02-07 11:50:39 chelocirapto chelocirapto noms the keyboard 2011-02-07 11:50:50 MrDys I just chewed the hell out of a coffee stirrer 2011-02-07 11:51:12 decasm_ will kurt, he makes learning, learningier 2011-02-07 11:51:27 BillDueber BillDueber misses having two screens: one with work, one with irc 2011-02-07 11:52:10 ndushay lllllllllunch???? 2011-02-07 11:52:21 hdl atz: from the tests we did, it was really doing good out of the box. 2011-02-07 11:52:32 akorphan Green elf needs food, badly! 2011-02-07 11:52:46 atz hdl: great. 2011-02-07 11:53:00 hdl atz: but maybe we missed some important points. or use cases 2011-02-07 11:53:36 hdl our knowledge in arabic or chinese are somewhat limited 2011-02-07 11:54:04 hdl But for what we know : diacritics management, no problems. 2011-02-07 11:55:36 jbrinley @quote random 2011-02-07 11:55:37 zoia jbrinley: Quote #827: "< wilig> mm, duck typing, the sequel" (added by edsu at 02:47 PM, April 17, 2007) 2011-02-07 11:55:50 decasm_ ... no pm session for me. is there a congregating place. or should i crash the unpreconf? 2011-02-07 12:12:53 eby Pick a bar and they will follow 2011-02-07 12:17:19 skoczko Is anyone here going to the Anyetsang's Little Tibet tonite? 2011-02-07 12:26:49 eby At finch's 2011-02-07 12:32:01 eby Frites++ 2011-02-07 12:32:14 eby Imperial_stout++ 2011-02-07 12:43:04 mbklein eby: Still time for me to get there and join you all? 2011-02-07 12:43:14 mbklein I finally finished cleaning up the mess I was working on. 2011-02-07 12:43:17 eby Just me 2011-02-07 12:43:21 eby But sure 2011-02-07 12:43:28 mbklein ah ok 2011-02-07 12:43:35 mbklein Frites sounds gooood. :) 2011-02-07 12:43:47 eby Kind of like hopleaf 2011-02-07 12:43:49 eby Mussels 2011-02-07 12:43:52 eby Frites 2011-02-07 12:43:57 eby Couple Belgians 2011-02-07 12:44:03 eby And micro 2011-02-07 12:44:25 was Anyone going to hear Michael Chabon tonight? http://newsinfo.iu.edu/news/page/normal/16858.html 2011-02-07 12:45:49 petercline eby: wait, what's this? what place is kind of like hopleaf? 2011-02-07 12:46:17 eby Well kind is being nice 2011-02-07 12:46:26 eby But that style of menu 2011-02-07 12:46:40 petercline well, that's being nice to almost any place that isn't hopleaf 2011-02-07 12:46:51 eby Finch's 2011-02-07 12:47:45 petercline great, thanks. btw, went to yogi's last night. kind of fratty but they have a great tap list 2011-02-07 12:48:13 eby Seems most of this town has at least a few good taps 2011-02-07 12:48:15 petercline as in: 40+ beers on, lots of regionals, well chosen selection otherwise 2011-02-07 12:49:47 eby Service ok 2011-02-07 12:50:15 eby Seems like places I go with large tap lists 2011-02-07 12:50:28 eby There is never anyone to pour them 2011-02-07 12:51:11 petercline i didn't have any trouble getting beer. once they caught you at the bar, they'd always ask about my next choice when my current one was at ~10% full 2011-02-07 12:52:15 petercline though one of the bartenders was completely clueless. brought me a bottle of Goose Island's pere jaques instead of the draft GI matilda i ordered. I talked to the other bartender after that 2011-02-07 12:52:19 eby eby know questions going back for afternoon 2011-02-07 12:54:18 scolford @list 2011-02-07 12:54:18 zoia scolford: Acronym, Admin, AlcoholPoisoning, Amazon, Anagram, Anonymous, Assorted, Astro, AudioScrobbler, Band, Blame, Calais, Channel, ChannelLogger, Config, CyborgName, DBpedia, Debian, Delicious, Disclaimer, Disemvowel, Dunno, Eef, Etymology, FOAF, Filter, Fireworks, Forecast, Games, GasPrices, Gender, GeoIP, Git, Google, Herald, IPTools, Insult, Internet, IsItDown, Karma, Kombat, LCSH, Later, Levenshtein, LibraryThing, (2 more messages) 2011-02-07 12:54:45 skoczko @list 2011-02-07 12:54:45 zoia skoczko: Acronym, Admin, AlcoholPoisoning, Amazon, Anagram, Anonymous, Assorted, Astro, AudioScrobbler, Band, Blame, Calais, Channel, ChannelLogger, Config, CyborgName, DBpedia, Debian, Delicious, Disclaimer, Disemvowel, Dunno, Eef, Etymology, FOAF, Filter, Fireworks, Forecast, Games, GasPrices, Gender, GeoIP, Git, Google, Herald, IPTools, Insult, Internet, IsItDown, Karma, Kombat, LCSH, Later, Levenshtein, LibraryThing, (2 more messages) 2011-02-07 13:03:24 yitznewton yitznewton is workin on a mobile theme for his shop's Drupal site 2011-02-07 13:19:24 yitznewton we are no longer the kn... 2011-02-07 13:24:15 akorphan FULL OF THAI CURRY 2011-02-07 13:24:22 akorphan Also, Thai iced tea. 2011-02-07 13:39:32 eby Is hosp suite open 2011-02-07 13:40:00 eby Or should say ppl hanging in it 2011-02-07 13:40:10 akorphan where is everyone? 2011-02-07 13:40:48 mjg_ eby: I dunno who all has keys. neither robert nor I are there, I can say. 2011-02-07 13:41:05 zoia I saw Lon Cheney Jr. walking down the street 2011-02-07 13:41:26 mbklein zoia: Doing the Werewolves of London? 2011-02-07 13:41:28 zoia mbklein: One of the records has a bad value in some column 2011-02-07 13:44:41 mbklein Hey, look…In 3 weeks, the #code4lib channel will be 5 years old! 2011-02-07 13:44:53 mbklein Registered : Feb 24 18:31:37 2006 (4 years, 49 weeks, 6 days, 00:10:17 ago) 2011-02-07 13:45:02 dchud so we'll be ready for kindergarten? 2011-02-07 13:45:15 mbklein dchud: Almost! Third year nursery, I think. 2011-02-07 13:45:29 mbklein dchud: Although some of us (looks at mjg_) might be held back. 2011-02-07 13:46:02 mjg_ mjg_ stabs mbklein with a crayon 2011-02-07 13:46:14 mbklein Anyone want to guess/remember (without looking at the ChanServ record) who the official channel founder is, according to Freenode? 2011-02-07 13:46:29 mbklein mbklein sticks paste up mjg_'s nose 2011-02-07 13:46:46 ndushay cbeer: where are you? 2011-02-07 13:48:27 cbeer_ ndushay: fangipani? 2011-02-07 13:48:40 ndushay for what session? 2011-02-07 13:49:30 cbeer_ ndushay: the hackfest is in here -- where is blacklight? 2011-02-07 13:49:39 ndushay oooo 2011-02-07 13:49:42 ndushay i'm in the unconferenc3 2011-02-07 13:50:19 zoia my life is now complete 2011-02-07 13:50:21 cbeer_ ndushay: hm -- i guess i didn't know they were different things 2011-02-07 13:50:47 cbeer_ dogwood, huh. 2011-02-07 13:50:52 ndushay this is afternoon only 2011-02-07 13:51:01 ndushay less focused 2011-02-07 13:51:42 mjg_ mbklein: I thought it was tholbroo 2011-02-07 13:52:09 tholbroo I have the power. 2011-02-07 13:52:24 ndushay cbeer: jroch is here 2011-02-07 13:52:27 gsf cbeer: how's fangipani? 2011-02-07 13:52:28 tholbroo But there's at least a dozen others with admin acces 2011-02-07 13:53:18 zoia Is that... J from Dinosaur Jr? 2011-02-07 13:54:03 tholbroo and I'm not the founder, I was just given the channel for some reason that I forget now 2011-02-07 13:54:34 mbklein tholbroo: Quit denying it. It's all your fault. 2011-02-07 13:54:47 MrDys zoia++ 2011-02-07 13:55:04 mbklein robcaSSon's_herald++ 2011-02-07 13:55:06 mjg_ cbeer: looks like many of the folks from the AM are back in their original groups 2011-02-07 13:55:09 mjg_ errr 2011-02-07 13:55:12 mbklein @blame tholbroo 2011-02-07 13:55:12 zoia mbklein: tholbroo, trying to have a conversation with you would be like trying to argue with a dining room table. I have no interest in doing it. 2011-02-07 13:55:14 mjg_ gsf: looks like many of the folks from the AM are back in their original groups 2011-02-07 13:55:22 tholbroo It's true, I am the cause of all the wasted library tech time 2011-02-07 13:55:28 BigD mbklein: Are u back at the Hackfest? 2011-02-07 13:55:41 BillDueber Does unconfernece == hackfest??? 2011-02-07 13:55:49 cbeer_ BillDueber: no 2011-02-07 13:55:50 mjg_ BillDueber: naw, different rooms 2011-02-07 13:55:51 BigD BillDueber: Nope 2011-02-07 13:56:01 gsf BillDueber: yes 2011-02-07 13:56:03 cbeer_ BillDueber: and located at completely different ends of the building 2011-02-07 13:56:04 mbklein BigD: For the moment, but the rest of my original group is missing. 2011-02-07 13:56:12 mjg_ we have a couple groups in the hackfest who have actual projects to work on now 2011-02-07 13:56:42 BillDueber cbeer: What room? 2011-02-07 13:56:44 mjg_ and otherwise we're sitting here on IRC 2011-02-07 13:56:50 BillDueber BillDueber is gonna come find the hackfest. 2011-02-07 13:56:52 cbeer_ BillDueber: hackfest is in frang 2011-02-07 13:56:56 gsf okay i feel like wandering 2011-02-07 13:56:59 cbeer_ BillDueber: i'll go with you. 2011-02-07 13:57:18 gsf @cyborg frangipani 2011-02-07 13:57:20 zoia gsf: F.R.A.N.G.I.P.A.N.I.: Functional Robotic Android Normally for Galactic Infiltration, Potential Assassination and Nocturnal Investigation 2011-02-07 13:58:50 eby @bartender 2011-02-07 13:58:51 zoia zoia fills a pint glass with Brewhouse Brown Ale, and sends it sliding down the bar to eby (http://beeradvocate.com/beer/profile/458/2299/) 2011-02-07 14:01:20 akorphan Math is hard. 2011-02-07 14:01:23 akorphan Let's go shoppig. 2011-02-07 14:01:29 akorphan err. 2011-02-07 14:01:30 akorphan shopping. 2011-02-07 14:01:33 akorphan typing is hard 2011-02-07 14:01:55 akorphan @cyborg cazzerson 2011-02-07 14:01:57 zoia akorphan: C.A.Z.Z.E.R.S.O.N.: Cybernetic Artificial Zetazoid Zoned for Efficient Repair, Sabotage and Online Nullification 2011-02-07 14:01:59 zoia I saw Lon Cheney Jr. walking down the street 2011-02-07 14:02:02 eby s/shopping/drinking 2011-02-07 14:02:07 jlhardes Hey, note from the Registration Desk - Lightning Talk Signup is available on the wiki: http://wiki.code4lib.org/index.php/2011_Lightning_Talks_Signup 2011-02-07 14:02:14 mbklein @ana blacklight hackfest 2011-02-07 14:02:15 zoia mbklein: Fight blackest chalk 2011-02-07 14:02:41 bess when does the drinking start, people? I was promised alcohol. 2011-02-07 14:02:47 erikhatcher is there some blacklight hacking going on somewhere? 2011-02-07 14:02:59 eby Started long ago 2011-02-07 14:03:25 BillDueber erikhatcher: In the frangipani room 2011-02-07 14:03:33 mbklein erikhatcher: Frangipani 2011-02-07 14:03:57 mjg_ @decide shoppig or shopping 2011-02-07 14:03:58 zoia mjg_: go with shoppig 2011-02-07 14:04:02 erikhatcher thanks! i'll see if i can make it down in a while 2011-02-07 14:04:18 akorphan @decide shopping or drinking 2011-02-07 14:04:19 zoia akorphan: go with shopping 2011-02-07 14:04:23 akorphan Huh. 2011-02-07 14:04:50 tholbroo go with drunk shopping 2011-02-07 14:05:08 mjg_ mbklein: so, who founded the channel? I shouldn't have to check that myself. 2011-02-07 14:06:10 mbklein mjg_: Officially, tholbroo. Which tholbroo denies. 2011-02-07 14:06:18 mbklein But who wouldn't? 2011-02-07 14:06:28 mjg_ mbklein: so I was right for the first time in my life? 2011-02-07 14:06:48 eby @Ana leader of the drunks 2011-02-07 14:06:49 zoia eby: So flaked thunderer 2011-02-07 14:06:52 mbklein mjg_: Nah, you've been right about BigD all along. 2011-02-07 14:07:19 BigD Hush 2011-02-07 14:08:52 mjg_ blacklight -- that's like Summon but a lot cheaper? 2011-02-07 14:09:19 mbklein mjg_: Also without the content. 2011-02-07 14:09:20 MrDys hmm...so there's a wiki signup page for lightning talks...don't we usually hold signups the day of? 2011-02-07 14:09:21 BillDueber mjg_: No, it's like VuFind, but the same price 2011-02-07 14:09:27 mbklein mjg_: And we make it up in volume. 2011-02-07 14:09:29 mbklein BillDueber++ 2011-02-07 14:10:52 scolford Every time someone says "petabyte" all I think is "pedophile". 2011-02-07 14:13:16 jlhardes We have 3 days of lightning talks and folks have been asking, so we thought we'd go ahead and put the signup out there. 2011-02-07 14:14:20 MrDys jlhardes: I guess I'm just concerned that the slots will fill up before the conference has even officially started 2011-02-07 14:15:04 mbklein Ditto. Part of what makes lightning talks great is that it allows some topics to grow organically out of stuff other people talk about. 2011-02-07 14:15:20 mbklein If all the signups happen before the conference, that influence is gone. 2011-02-07 14:15:25 BillDueber Yeah -- maybe take them down? 2011-02-07 14:16:03 wickr_ already 3 signed up 2011-02-07 14:16:33 mbklein jlhardes: No criticism intended -- I appreciate the desire to be proactive. Just sharing my thoughts. 2011-02-07 14:18:05 jlhardes ok, how about we remove wednesday and thursday from the schedule for now and leave tuesday in place? we'll preserve those who have signed up so far for wednesday and thursday. 2011-02-07 14:18:19 mbklein jlhardes: Sounds like a good compromise to me. 2011-02-07 14:18:27 wickr jodi just sent out a note about it 2011-02-07 14:18:28 jlhardes ok, we'll do that. 2011-02-07 14:18:30 wickr I'd just leave it up now 2011-02-07 14:21:56 jwd What do folks think about the Breakout Sessions page? Also wait to announce until tomorrow when conf officially starts? 2011-02-07 14:22:50 jwd Looks like it's been up for a while, and some have already signed up, but was not linked from schedule 2011-02-07 14:24:54 jlhardes Lightning Talk sign-up is available for Tuesday only now. I will contact the 3 people who signed up for Wednesday and let them know they are still on the schedule for Wednesday. Thanks for the feedback everyone! 2011-02-07 14:29:00 decasm_ cafe django: why you no weekday breakfast?? 2011-02-07 14:30:21 maccabee__ decasm: because they're getting ready for the awesomest newcommer dinner excursion tonight 2011-02-07 14:31:24 decasm_ maccabee: and i suppose will be recovering tomorrow 2011-02-07 14:33:03 lbjay lbjay is hungry 2011-02-07 14:35:57 mbklein mbklein HUNGRY LBJAY IS HUNGRY 2011-02-07 14:36:33 mbklein mbklein is inordinately excited about the hash key change in Ruby 1.9. 2011-02-07 14:38:18 MrDys it's true. I saw the celebratory gesture 2011-02-07 14:40:13 gsf @whereis mbklein 2011-02-07 14:40:13 zoia gsf: Put down the doughnut and slowly back away. NOW. 2011-02-07 14:43:04 mbklein gsf: mbklein is in the Frangipani room, IU Memorial Union, Bloomington, Indiana, United States, North America, Western Hemisphere, Earth, Solar System, Milky Way... 2011-02-07 14:44:23 mbklein @dance MrDys 2011-02-07 14:44:24 zoia o/ 2011-02-07 14:44:25 zoia /| 2011-02-07 14:44:26 zoia >> 2011-02-07 14:44:36 mbklein (celebratory gesture) 2011-02-07 14:45:26 cbeer_ mbklein: ordered hashes? 2011-02-07 14:45:34 helrond no more coffee for anarchivist 2011-02-07 14:45:43 mbklein cbeer_: Yes. Keys are guaranteed to stay in insertion order. 2011-02-07 14:46:08 mbklein cbeer_: It will make things like the Blacklight field config a lot cleaner. :) 2011-02-07 14:46:12 anarchivist @mf helrond 2011-02-07 14:46:12 zoia Hey, helrond... 2011-02-07 14:46:13 zoia .-. 2011-02-07 14:46:14 zoia |-| 2011-02-07 14:46:15 zoia | | 2011-02-07 14:46:16 zoia _.-|=|-. 2011-02-07 14:46:17 zoia / | | | | 2011-02-07 14:46:18 zoia | |\ 2011-02-07 14:46:19 zoia | / 2011-02-07 14:46:20 zoia \ /` 2011-02-07 14:46:21 zoia | | 2011-02-07 14:47:02 tholbroo I'm looking at building something like this search tool at NCSU. They say they're using Yahoo! services for the "did you mean..." part, but I can't see anywhere on the Yahoo developer tools that mentions this. Anyone know how to get at it? http://www.lib.ncsu.edu/search/about.html 2011-02-07 14:47:57 sesuncedu mbkelin: so ruby is catching up to java 1.4? 2011-02-07 14:49:11 dbs tholbroo: http://developer.yahoo.com/search/web/V1/spellingSuggestion.html (shutting down in December 2010?) 2011-02-07 14:49:47 tholbroo dbs: thank you 2011-02-07 14:49:47 dbs replaced by YQL - innarestin 2011-02-07 14:49:49 mbklein sesuncedu: No, I'm talking about an actual Hash. Not a HashFactoryFactoryFactory. 2011-02-07 14:49:58 dbs http://query.yahooapis.com/v1/public/yql?q=select%20*%20from%20search.spelling%20where%20query%3D%22madnna%22&diagnostics=true 2011-02-07 14:50:08 mbklein sesuncedu: Sorry… Make that AbstractHashFactoryFactoryFactory 2011-02-07 14:50:48 lbjay anyplace nearby with food, beer & wifi? 2011-02-07 14:51:04 sesuncedu mbklein: Map = new LinkedHashMap(); // Keep your weasels in order 2011-02-07 14:51:34 cwlown tholbroo: I spend a lot of time working on NCSU's search tool. Happy to chat about it if you want 2011-02-07 14:51:43 sesuncedu Map weasels, I mean. Command-X != Command-C 2011-02-07 14:51:59 eby dbs: They offer suggestions through boss API as well 2011-02-07 14:52:05 lbjay and what is this Upland Brewery -> Yogi's business? 2011-02-07 14:52:43 mbklein lbjay: Upland doesn't take reservations. Showing up with 20-something people seemed to be a Bad Idea™. 2011-02-07 14:52:46 sesuncedu Did You Mean... suggestions can be done using fuzzy string comparisons 2011-02-07 14:52:49 lbjay @hussein Ying Ding 2011-02-07 14:52:50 zoia lbjay: In geniuss dinghy 2011-02-07 14:52:54 dbs mmm, json: http://query.yahooapis.com/v1/public/yql?q=select%20*%20from%20search.spelling%20where%20query%3D%22madnna%22&format=json&callback=cbfunc 2011-02-07 14:53:00 sesuncedu Frankenshtein distances 2011-02-07 14:53:30 mbklein sesuncedu: Are you trying to combine the topics? Fuzzy weasel map comparisons? 2011-02-07 14:53:41 tholbroo cwlown: cool, thanks! I have something very similar (and very influenced by) that tool working now.. just fleshing out some of the "extra" things it could do. Has it been well received at NCSU? There's some resistance here from a few librarians. 2011-02-07 14:53:50 lbjay mbklein: but why *all* groups? 2011-02-07 14:54:16 anarchivist lbjay: Upland Brewery is closed 2011-02-07 14:54:22 lbjay oh 2011-02-07 14:54:27 anarchivist lbjay: they are doing employee appreciation night tonight 2011-02-07 14:54:34 anarchivist lbjay: and are closing the kitchen at 4:30 2011-02-07 14:54:36 lbjay @mf employees 2011-02-07 14:54:37 zoia Hey, employees... 2011-02-07 14:54:38 zoia .-. 2011-02-07 14:54:39 zoia |-| 2011-02-07 14:54:40 zoia | | 2011-02-07 14:54:41 zoia _.-|=|-. 2011-02-07 14:54:42 zoia / | | | | 2011-02-07 14:54:44 zoia | |\ 2011-02-07 14:54:44 zoia | / 2011-02-07 14:54:45 zoia \ /` 2011-02-07 14:54:46 zoia | | 2011-02-07 14:55:09 sesuncedu mbklein: You don't have to use actual weasels 2011-02-07 14:55:25 cwlown tholbroo: It's been working in some form since 2005? and started as a lightweight library website search. So not much resistance that I know of. It became more prominent with the web redesign in fall 2010 2011-02-07 14:56:57 tholbroo cwlown: Ah, okay. We just got Summon last year and after looking at lots of our stats it's pretty obvious that most users just type their search into the first box they see on our home page (which is Summon now), so my hope is to replace our various search options with this. 2011-02-07 14:57:12 mbklein employees-- 2011-02-07 14:57:54 archivist employers-- 2011-02-07 14:58:01 archivist I need a job 2011-02-07 14:58:12 dchud funny, we're out of capacity in the amazon aws availability zone *again*. 2011-02-07 14:58:31 mbklein dchud: How so? 2011-02-07 14:58:46 dchud errors say: no capacity available left in this availability zone. 2011-02-07 14:58:51 dchud we saw that yesterday too 2011-02-07 14:59:03 sesuncedu dchud: Did you try turning it off and on again? 2011-02-07 14:59:29 mbklein dchud: Did you try rebooting the availability zone? ;) 2011-02-07 14:59:45 sesuncedu Cloud: no reset button 2011-02-07 14:59:50 knickum jiggle the cord? 2011-02-07 15:00:03 gsf @dunno add this is not a punchscreen display 2011-02-07 15:00:03 zoia gsf: Error: You must be registered to use this command. If you are already registered, you must either identify (using the identify command) or add a hostmask matching your current hostmask (using the "hostmask add" command). 2011-02-07 15:00:04 archivist reboot on and off...are you all windows admins 2011-02-07 15:00:13 mbklein DELETE FROM availability_zone WHERE stuff IS someone_else's; 2011-02-07 15:00:18 gsf @dunno add this is not a punchscreen display 2011-02-07 15:00:18 zoia gsf: The operation succeeded. Dunno #1113 added. 2011-02-07 15:00:40 mbklein @ana punchscreen display 2011-02-07 15:00:40 zoia mbklein: Sunny, crippled aches 2011-02-07 15:01:09 gsf uh oh, jrock's on his feet 2011-02-07 15:01:18 mbklein gsf++ 2011-02-07 15:01:32 mbklein He's got a marker, and he's not afraid to use it. 2011-02-07 15:02:56 sesuncedu Somebody netmask all of UI 2011-02-07 15:03:01 sesuncedu IU even 2011-02-07 15:06:02 sesuncedu Page 26, http://simson.net/ref/ugh.pdf 2011-02-07 15:06:52 sesuncedu Ah - here. http://www.dourish.com/goodies/suns-boot-fast.html 2011-02-07 15:11:25 sesuncedu All those people timing out at almost exactly the same time... it's uncanny 2011-02-07 15:12:40 mbklein Freenode has now raised the connection cap. We shouldn't have anyone getting booted or other Freenode-based connection issues through Thursday. 2011-02-07 15:13:21 gsf mbklein++ 2011-02-07 15:13:47 MrDys mbklein is the official freenode liason 2011-02-07 15:14:07 mbklein s/official/de facto/ 2011-02-07 15:14:13 sesuncedu @decide freenode or freebird or stairway 2011-02-07 15:14:14 zoia sesuncedu: go with freenode 2011-02-07 15:14:31 mjg_ eikeon, edsu: does rdflib 3.0 work with the mysql backend? 2011-02-07 15:15:25 mbklein sesuncedu: Your assignment: Rewrite the "If Microsoft made cars…" essay as "If ILS vendors made cars…" Include a separate section for each vendor. :) 2011-02-07 15:16:05 mbklein "If III made cars, you'd have to get them to buy gas for you. From them. And they'd charge you for delivery and installation." 2011-02-07 15:16:12 scolford mbklein++ 2011-02-07 15:16:18 scolford good challenge there 2011-02-07 15:16:50 mbklein Then again, maybe the challenge should be "If ILS vendors made ILSes…" 2011-02-07 15:17:03 scolford SNAP 2011-02-07 15:18:30 sesuncedu mbklein++ 2011-02-07 15:18:49 sesuncedu Instrument Landing Systems 2011-02-07 15:20:12 sesuncedu http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uEywGpIt0vw 2011-02-07 15:20:56 decasm_ csl 2011-02-07 15:25:46 zoia Is that... J from Dinosaur Jr? 2011-02-07 15:25:58 mbklein mbklein just saw BillDueber's UM login name. Can only assume "dueberb" rhymes with "superb." 2011-02-07 15:26:10 was or rhubarb 2011-02-07 15:26:19 mbklein or that. 2011-02-07 15:26:30 dchud mbklein, sesuncedu: i tried editing config.sys but nothing happened 2011-02-07 15:28:31 mjg_ I prefer the Italian reading: dway-BAYRB 2011-02-07 15:33:55 mbklein dchud: Is it loading HIMEM.SYS? 2011-02-07 15:38:10 mjg_ @zalgo --intensity 10 AHHHHHHH 2011-02-07 15:38:10 zoia A̪̬͎̓̓̓̓Ḥ̓ͮ̓̓H̶̲̭̜̓ͤ̓ͪ̓̓̓̓̐̓̓̓ͅH̢̼͓͈̓̓̓ͪ̓̓̓̓̓ͤ̓ͮ̓҈̥̓̓H͇̓̈̓̊̓̿̓̓͒̓̐̓̂̓H̴̳̥̱̓̑̓ͯ̓̓͒̓̓̓̓̓̋̓̚𝀿͚͙̓̓͛̓̀̓̍̓̓̓͟H̓҈͇̦̥̓ͥ̓ͩ̓̓̓̂̓ͤ̓ͯ̓́̓̓H̳̘̠̟͎̓̈́̓̓̓ͮ̓̓͐̓̓̊̓̓́̓̀ 2011-02-07 15:39:00 mbklein mjgizalgo++ 2011-02-07 15:40:05 atz half mc, half dj, all killa' clown. 2011-02-07 15:41:22 dchud mbklein: i wiped the drive and installed os2/warp 2011-02-07 15:42:50 MrDys http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DloCrXU3koY 2011-02-07 15:43:06 mbklein MrDys++ 2011-02-07 15:43:09 gsf @zalgo [last --from MrDys] 2011-02-07 15:43:09 zoia H̷̴̫̫̫̠̫̫̫̫̫̫̫̫̫̫̫͕̫̫͇̫̘̫̫̫̫̫͐ͦ̇̍̄̒́ͦͨͣ̽͒̚T̫̫̫̾̓҈̡̫̫̫̫̫̫̫̫̫̫̽ͯͪͧ̽̆̂͝͏̴̶̡̡̫̫̫̩̫̫̫͓̫̫̤̫̗̫͔̫͚̫̪̫̫̫̫̫̥̫̫̲̫̫̫̫̯̫͎̫̫̪̫̤̫̪̫̫̫̓ͯͣͮͣͭ͒͊́̈͘̚҈̫̫̫̫̫͛́͋̓T̫̫̫̫̫̬̫̫̫̄ͥͦͣ͞͞P̶̨̛̫̥̫̫̫̫̫̫̫̫͕̫̘̫̫̬̫̫̫̫̪̫̫̫̬̫̫̫͎̫̫̫̫̜̫̫͕̫̉̿̋ͥ̊ͯ̅͑ͨ̊͂͛ͧ̔͌̚ (13 more messages) 2011-02-07 15:43:41 mbklein MrDys: Because nuns + technology = funny 2011-02-07 15:44:35 mbklein zalgo + irssi = pain 2011-02-07 15:44:40 ndushay mbklein: that's one for you. 2011-02-07 15:44:53 ndushay first warning. 2011-02-07 15:45:24 wickr zalgo + irssi + putty = torture 2011-02-07 15:46:32 gsf wickr: s/torture/nirvana/ 2011-02-07 15:46:37 mbk_ @zalgo --last from gsf 2011-02-07 15:46:38 zoia mbk_: (zalgo [--intensity 1-200] text) -- ZALGO 2011-02-07 15:46:45 mbk_ @zalgo [last from gsf] 2011-02-07 15:46:46 zoia (̷̧̛̲̝̲̲̲̺̲̻̲̲̺̲̲̲̲̻̲̲̲̲̲̪̲̲̲̥̲̲̲̺̲̲̲̲̘̲̲̲̲͚̲̤̲̲̜̲̲̲̲̱̲̲̲̲̲̗̲̲̲̲̲̲̘̲̖̲͙̲̲̒̑̅ͩ̈́̔́̄ͩ͛̀ͧ͛̆̾͆͛ͯͪ͐̓̀͛̌͢͠͝͝͝ͅL̢̲̭̲̲̲̲̩̲̳̲̣̲̬̲̲̣̲̦̲͚̲̲̙̲̲̲̲̲̰̲ͭ̓̂̌̋̔͋͘Ą̵̡̲̲̲̲̲̲̲̰̲̲̜̲̲̲̳̲̲̲̪̲̙̲̲̲̲̲̲̲̲̲̲̲̲̺̲̲̱̲̲̲͔̲͔̲ͣ̆̔̾̋͋̒̐̒͑ͮ͆̾ͨͥͩ͆̇͊͞͠ͅ (49 more messages) 2011-02-07 15:47:01 gugek /sb end 2011-02-07 15:47:14 mbklein OK, forget irssi, putty, or any of the other stuff. zalgo = torture 2011-02-07 15:47:56 gsf mbklein: snowman, on the other hand... 2011-02-07 15:48:08 mjg_ http://stackoverflow.com/questions/1732348/regex-match-open-tags-except-xhtml-self-contained-tags/1732454#1732454 2011-02-07 15:48:22 mbklein @snowman [cowbell [last from gsf]] 2011-02-07 15:48:23 zoia ☃(☃☃l☃a☃s☃t☃ ☃*☃c☃o☃w☃b☃e☃l☃l☃*☃ ☃[☃-☃-☃{☃f☃r☃o☃m☃,☃i☃n☃,☃o☃n☃,☃w☃i☃t☃h☃,☃w☃i☃t☃h☃o☃u☃t☃,☃r☃e☃g☃e☃x☃p☃}☃ ☃*☃c☃o☃w☃b☃e☃l☃l☃*☃ ☃<☃v☃a☃l☃u☃e☃>☃]☃ ☃*☃c☃o☃w☃b☃e☃l☃l☃*☃ ☃[☃-☃-☃n☃o☃l☃i☃m☃i☃t☃]☃☃)☃ (12 more messages) 2011-02-07 15:48:42 mbklein @snowman [cowbell [last --from gsf]] 2011-02-07 15:48:43 zoia ☃m☃b☃k☃l☃e☃i☃n☃:☃ ☃*☃c☃o☃w☃b☃e☃l☃l☃*☃ ☃s☃n☃o☃w☃m☃a☃n☃,☃ ☃*☃c☃o☃w☃b☃e☃l☃l☃*☃ ☃o☃n☃ ☃*☃c☃o☃w☃b☃e☃l☃l☃*☃ ☃t☃h☃e☃ ☃*☃c☃o☃w☃b☃e☃l☃l☃*☃ ☃o☃t☃h☃e☃r☃ ☃*☃c☃o☃w☃b☃e☃l☃l☃*☃ ☃h☃a☃n☃d☃.☃.☃. 2011-02-07 15:49:13 mbklein @who wrote all the worst zoia plugins? 2011-02-07 15:49:14 zoia djwonk wrote all the worst zoia plugins. 2011-02-07 15:49:20 mjg_ mbklein++ 2011-02-07 15:49:26 mjg_ @aussie speak for yourself, mister 2011-02-07 15:49:27 zoia mjg_: SHRIMP ON THE BARBIE, MATES! 2011-02-07 15:49:46 djwonk @who doesn't know what a zoia plugin is? 2011-02-07 15:49:46 zoia jeff doesn't know what a zoia plugin is. 2011-02-07 15:50:42 mbklein mbklein and mjgiarlo…The Johnny Utah and Bodhi of #code4lib. 2011-02-07 15:51:04 zoia Is that... J from Dinosaur Jr? 2011-02-07 15:51:44 sesuncedu That's it. Your Unicode-pant privileges are revoked. 2011-02-07 15:53:42 mbklein If you want the ultimate, you've got to be willing to pay the ultimate price. It's not tragic to die doing what you love. 2011-02-07 15:53:51 mbklein Vaya con Dios, Brah. 2011-02-07 15:54:06 edsu dchud: i'm over in #ndnp and here if you need any help 2011-02-07 15:54:20 edsu dchud: had to go pick up graham from school, so i stepped out for a bit 2011-02-07 15:55:08 robcaSSon anyone in the hostility suite yet? 2011-02-07 15:56:34 edsu sesuncedu: you up in dc now? 2011-02-07 15:56:57 eby If someone is robcaSSon let me know and I can bring stuff down 2011-02-07 15:57:11 jbrinley @who is robcaSSon 2011-02-07 15:57:12 zoia mjg_ is robcaSSon. 2011-02-07 15:59:00 mjg_ mbklein: I had to look that up. I have regrets piling upon regrets. 2011-02-07 15:59:24 edsu mjg_: how did the rest of curatecamp go? 2011-02-07 15:59:29 edsu mjg_: or is it still going on? 2011-02-07 15:59:30 sesuncedu edsu: yeah (well McLean) 2011-02-07 15:59:37 mjg_ robcaSSon: I dunno, but I believe it's open 2011-02-07 15:59:51 mjg_ edsu: still kicking along. have 4-5 groups doing stuff. 2011-02-07 15:59:56 edsu sesuncedu: did you move? or just visiting? 2011-02-07 16:00:10 mjg_ vufind hacking, blacklight hacking, and a couple other groups 2011-02-07 16:00:22 edsu mjg_: nice 2011-02-07 16:00:34 edsu mjg_: so this one is kinda hands-on then eh? 2011-02-07 16:00:45 mjg_ edsu: yup 2011-02-07 16:01:09 mjg_ edsu: useful for folks with a project to work on. less so for others, perhaps 2011-02-07 16:01:27 edsu i wonder how dchud is doing in the ndnp thing 2011-02-07 16:01:50 knickum he just said something about being in the temple... 2011-02-07 16:02:55 sesuncedu edsu: I am doing the minimum necessary to keep NC residency for tuition purposes :-) 2011-02-07 16:04:46 das ndnp++ 2011-02-07 16:06:54 edsu das: are you in the ndnp session? 2011-02-07 16:08:46 robcaSSon eby: i'm not yet, but was thinking maybe soon 2011-02-07 16:10:34 sesuncedu edsu: On the slightly related subject of Analog newspapers - did you see the back page of yesterday's Washington Post "Jobs" section? 2011-02-07 16:10:46 sesuncedu Slight analogification problem 2011-02-07 16:13:21 edsu sesuncedu: no i didn't 2011-02-07 16:13:31 sesuncedu they generated featured ads from their online listings. One of them has a description that begins with "thank you for your application" 2011-02-07 16:13:39 gsf mjg_: http://code.google.com/p/rdflib/issues/detail?id=125 2011-02-07 16:14:16 gsf mjg_: http://groups.google.com/group/rdflib-dev/browse_thread/thread/b9d229158c1be217 2011-02-07 16:14:36 das edsu: yeap 2011-02-07 16:14:57 jtgorman anybody thinking of going to lennie's tonight? Or somewhere else with good beer selection? 2011-02-07 16:15:40 eby jtgorman: There's a group going there for the dinner groups 2011-02-07 16:15:52 eby There's 2011-02-07 16:16:03 eby A bunch going to a beer bar as well 2011-02-07 16:16:24 eby Yogi's 2011-02-07 16:17:02 jtgorman hmmm, hadn't heard of Yogi's yet 2011-02-07 16:17:27 eby Check the social activities wiki page 2011-02-07 16:18:43 mbklein mjg_: You mean you don't WANT to be the charismatic leader of a band of outlaw surfers? 2011-02-07 16:19:26 mjg_ mbklein: listen 2011-02-07 16:19:33 lbjay petercline! 2011-02-07 16:19:40 jtgorman eby: thanks, looking through now 2011-02-07 16:19:44 mjg_ mbklein: all I'm saying is my life can be divided into two phases: pre-Point Break, and post-Point Break. 2011-02-07 16:19:49 gsf @translateparty Which if I understand hg correctly someone should be able to pull. 2011-02-07 16:19:50 zoia gsf: aww, shucks i dunno shortimer 2011-02-07 16:19:58 mbklein mjg_: It changes us all. 2011-02-07 16:20:00 gsf shoot 2011-02-07 16:20:01 lbjay netbeans-- 2011-02-07 16:20:02 jtgorman jtgorman really hasn't had time to keep up the conference stuff 2011-02-07 16:20:09 mjg_ mbklein: and I've been looking to find a wave in B'ton. so far disappointed. 2011-02-07 16:20:24 gsf @translationparty Which if I understand hg correctly someone should be able to pull. 2011-02-07 16:20:35 zoia gsf: 404: invalid result data 2011-02-07 16:20:36 zoia gsf: An error has occurred and has been logged. Please contact this bot's administrator for more information. 2011-02-07 16:20:46 gsf that's better 2011-02-07 16:21:20 mjg_ @sing nas : NY state of mind 2011-02-07 16:21:23 zoia Yeah yeah, aiyyo black it's time (word?) / (Word, it's time nigga?) / Yeah, it's time man (aight nigga, begin) / Yeah, straight out the fuckin dungeons of rap 2011-02-07 16:21:26 mbklein mjg_: I love that, thanks to The Hurt Locker and the careful parsing of the English language, it's technically correct to refer to "Kathryn Bigelow, the Academy Award-winning director of Point Break…" 2011-02-07 16:23:55 mjg_ mbklein++ 2011-02-07 16:24:23 decasm_ can i get the hospitality suite opened? 2011-02-07 16:24:51 mjg_ decasm_: last I heard, 117 was open 2011-02-07 16:25:20 decasm_ standing there now. no love. 2011-02-07 16:25:33 mjg_ decasm_: be right up 2011-02-07 16:25:44 decasm_ cool 2011-02-07 16:25:56 eby I'll be right down with some booze then 2011-02-07 16:26:05 mbklein mjg_: KEYMASTER 2011-02-07 16:26:19 anna3lc decasm_: let me know if there's a microwave in there? 2011-02-07 16:26:42 decasm_ anna3lc: will do 2011-02-07 16:27:24 decasm_ since i 2011-02-07 16:27:51 decasm_ ... i'm staying at a different hotelm i might volunteer to be a keymaster 2011-02-07 16:28:28 jeff @who stole the microwave from the hospitality suite? 2011-02-07 16:28:29 zoia jstirnaman stole the microwave from the hospitality suite. 2011-02-07 16:30:12 sesuncedu edsu: can you remember why skos:exactMatch is explicitly declared not to be reflexive? It *is* declared to be symmetric and transitive, which means that if concept exactly matches *anything*, it must exactly match itself. 2011-02-07 16:32:48 mjg_ eby: might wanna wait on the booze -- we may not be able to drink there 2011-02-07 16:32:57 mjg_ eby: getting that clarified today 2011-02-07 16:33:15 decasm_ anna3lc: no microwave 2011-02-07 16:34:24 yegusa I found a wrong link, "Social Networking Dinners" in http://www.indiana.edu/~uits/code4lib/program/conference.php. 2011-02-07 16:34:54 anna3lc decasm_: bummer! I am gonna get that jstirnaman. 2011-02-07 16:35:18 anna3lc decasm_: thanks for the report 2011-02-07 16:36:23 mcdonald yegusa: the social network dinners is at the bottum of that page - no takers yet 2011-02-07 16:36:46 zoia I saw Lon Cheney Jr. walking down the street 2011-02-07 16:37:47 eby mjg_: Already there with it 2011-02-07 16:37:53 eby But can hold off on it 2011-02-07 16:37:54 mbklein WHAT'S JONATHAN DOING FOR DINNER?! 2011-02-07 16:38:00 mbklein zoia: What's Jonathan doing for dinner? 2011-02-07 16:38:01 zoia mbklein: i get no joy from this http://icanhascheezburger.com/2008/04/20/funny-pictures-finds-no-joy-in-his-job/ 2011-02-07 16:38:04 eby Though robcaSSon can't be stopped 2011-02-07 16:38:30 eby Would think they could do a microwave on this long of a table 2011-02-07 16:38:47 eby @quote random 2011-02-07 16:38:48 zoia eby: Quote #2109: "You know you're using the wrong system when API == Expect script" (added by robcaSSon at 07:50 PM, January 06, 2010) 2011-02-07 16:39:22 eby robcaSSon: Doors open 2011-02-07 16:39:40 eby @quote random 2011-02-07 16:39:41 zoia eby: Quote #1966: " My feelings of joy at figuring it out are tempered by the nagging frustration at the back of my head that this escaped all the testing" (added by mbklein at 11:30 AM, August 19, 2009) 2011-02-07 16:40:11 Tokee What does "hospitality suite" mean? 2011-02-07 16:40:24 eby A large room at this point 2011-02-07 16:40:32 eby With couch and chairs 2011-02-07 16:40:50 Tokee A bit of elaboration with regard to the social implications would be appreciated 2011-02-07 16:41:29 jtgorman Tokee: hotel suite used as an informal meeting grounds/gathering place 2011-02-07 16:41:43 Tokee Thanks 2011-02-07 16:42:11 decasm_ when it's sunny in philadelphia, it's all about the implications ... 2011-02-07 16:43:55 mjg_ mcdonald: you around? 2011-02-07 16:44:00 mjg_ mcdonald: any word on the beer? 2011-02-07 16:45:06 gsf @takify mjg 2011-02-07 16:45:06 zoia Ḿ Ĵ Ģ 2011-02-07 16:45:35 mcdonald @mjg not yet 2011-02-07 16:45:36 zoia mcdonald: not ye... OMG! Bacon! 2011-02-07 16:47:17 lbjay @danify mjg 2011-02-07 16:47:18 zoia lbjay: Mjgsen 2011-02-07 16:47:25 jbrinley @rate code4lib mjg 2011-02-07 16:47:29 zoia jbrinley: code4lib: 10.0; mjg: 9.1. code4lib rocks! 2011-02-07 16:48:03 eby @Hussein boozeless suite 2011-02-07 16:48:04 zoia eby: The sensuous boils seize 2011-02-07 16:49:45 mjg_ @takify [danify Johnny Utah] 2011-02-07 16:49:46 zoia Ĵ Ø Ħ Ŋ Ṅ Ÿ   Ü Ť Å ℍ Ś ℰ Ñ 2011-02-07 16:49:49 gsf @takify [danify giarlo] 2011-02-07 16:49:49 zoia Ḡ Ḯ Å ® Ḽ Ø Ṡ Ẹ Ṅ 2011-02-07 16:50:22 lbjay @takify my talk is doomed 2011-02-07 16:50:23 zoia Ṃ Ȳ   Ṫ Ǻ Ḽ Ḳ   Î Ṩ   Ḏ Ŏ Ợ Ṁ Ễ Ḍ 2011-02-07 16:50:25 edsu hmmm, i see this text in the skos reference: "None of the SKOS mapping properties are reflexive, neither are they irreflexive. 2011-02-07 16:50:43 eby @wtf 2011-02-07 16:50:44 zoia eby: (wtf [is] ) -- Returns wtf is. 'wtf' is a *nix command that first appeared in NetBSD 1.5. In most *nices, it's available in some sort of 'bsdgames' package. 2011-02-07 16:51:42 edsu sesuncedu: " This conservative position allows SKOS to be used to model both KOS where the interpretation of skos:broader is reflexive (e.g., a direct translation of an inferred OWL sub-class hierarchy), or KOS where skos:broader could be considered irreflexive (as would be appropriate for most thesauri or classification schemes)." (not sure if that helps, or I really understand it fully) 2011-02-07 16:52:40 MrDys MrDys yawns 2011-02-07 16:52:42 zoia MrDys: WAKE UP! 2011-02-07 16:53:01 mjg_ @wtf is eby's problem 2011-02-07 16:53:02 zoia mjg_: (wtf [is] ) -- Returns wtf is. 'wtf' is a *nix command that first appeared in NetBSD 1.5. In most *nices, it's available in some sort of 'bsdgames' package. 2011-02-07 16:55:13 mjg_ @ana innovative solution 2011-02-07 16:55:14 zoia mjg_: Lout innovate vision 2011-02-07 16:55:25 MrDys @hussein innovative solution 2011-02-07 16:55:26 zoia MrDys: Evolve snoutish insinuation 2011-02-07 16:55:30 sesuncedu edsu: it's a different part- section 10.3 says that exactMatch is Symmetric (S44) and Transitive (S45). Section 10.6.4 says that "None of the SKOS mapping properties are reflexive, neither are they irreflexive". 2011-02-07 16:55:34 MrDys mjg_: how's your kernel compile going over there? 2011-02-07 16:56:06 mjg_ MrDys: segfault. now looking at dieinafire.com 2011-02-07 16:56:29 edsu sesuncedu: yeah 2011-02-07 16:56:34 anarchivist @quote random 2011-02-07 16:56:34 zoia anarchivist: Quote #877: " somewhere in alberta, pbinkley feels a disturbance in the code4lib force..." (added by eby at 10:28 AM, May 30, 2007) 2011-02-07 16:56:36 anarchivist ww00t 2011-02-07 16:56:40 sesuncedu edsu: S44 means that if A exactMatch B , B exactMatch A 2011-02-07 16:56:52 edsu right 2011-02-07 16:57:10 sesuncedu edsu: S45 means that if A exactMatch B and B exactMatch A then A exactMatch A 2011-02-07 16:58:05 edsu sesuncedu: ok 2011-02-07 16:59:19 edsu sesuncedu: where is skos:exactMatch declared to not be relexive? 2011-02-07 16:59:39 sesuncedu 10.6.4. Mapping Properties and Reflexivity 2011-02-07 16:59:39 sesuncedu None of the SKOS mapping properties are reflexive, neither are they irreflexive. 2011-02-07 16:59:57 edsu that's agnostic though 2011-02-07 17:00:15 edsu it doesn't say it's irreflexive 2011-02-07 17:00:27 sesuncedu edsu: yes. It explicitly says it's not. 2011-02-07 17:00:28 mjg_ the "g" in gsf stands for ghetto, we have just learned 2011-02-07 17:00:39 mjg_ or maybe gangsta 2011-02-07 17:00:40 sesuncedu edsu: but why make such a decision 2011-02-07 17:01:08 edsu saying something is neither reflexive or irreflexive is leaving it open for different applications 2011-02-07 17:01:12 sesuncedu edsu: that only applies if no exactMatch assertions are made on a concept at all 2011-02-07 17:01:23 edsu i seem to remember some language in there as to why they left it open 2011-02-07 17:01:32 edsu they = sean and alistair 2011-02-07 17:01:51 sesuncedu There's nothing that really seems to apply. 2011-02-07 17:02:02 edsu sesuncedu: i think it's in the discussion of skos:broader 2011-02-07 17:02:28 edsu in 8.6.7 2011-02-07 17:02:58 atz now where is it that I signed up to eat dinner? 2011-02-07 17:03:08 lbjay "g" is for gorgeous 2011-02-07 17:03:11 atz anarchivist: i think i'm in your group 2011-02-07 17:03:51 AndChat- | Anyone know where the Siam House group is meeting pre-dinner? 2011-02-07 17:04:33 sesuncedu 10.6.6 notes the issue , and says applications must be able to deal with it. But not declaring it to be reflexive has an implication that there's a use case where it is not true that A exactMatch A. 2011-02-07 17:06:12 jstirnaman zoia: I deny everything 2011-02-07 17:06:13 zoia jstirnaman: would a candidate who only speaks English speaker who has no other languages be considered for this position? 2011-02-07 17:07:48 sesuncedu If the semantics of exactMatch are (10.1) that such a relationship indicates "a high degree of confidence that the concepts can be used interchangeably across a wide range of information retrieval applications", then I cannot understand what it would mean to assert "Not(A exactMatch A)" 2011-02-07 17:08:56 edsu sesuncedu: i have no strong feelings about it 2011-02-07 17:08:59 atz sesuncedu: yeah... "medium degree of confidence...." would seem to be problematic 2011-02-07 17:09:21 edsu sesuncedu: or even any opinion :-) 2011-02-07 17:09:52 sesuncedu edsu: a promising career awaits you in the Civil Service :-) 2011-02-07 17:10:02 edsu sesuncedu: that's what i hear 2011-02-07 17:10:29 edsu sesuncedu: a promising academic career of picking apart meaningless details awaits you 2011-02-07 17:10:57 sesuncedu edsu: I hear that in lieu of pay increases, all GS ratings are going to be changed to use roman numerals 2011-02-07 17:11:15 anarchivist @ana nothin but hackles 2011-02-07 17:11:16 mjg_ @hussein nothing but hackles 2011-02-07 17:11:16 zoia anarchivist: This notable chunk 2011-02-07 17:11:17 zoia mjg_: Enchant toughish bulkiness 2011-02-07 17:11:19 sesuncedu edsu: it's actually the computer that is picky :-) 2011-02-07 17:11:19 edsu sesuncedu: those voices in your head aren't to be trusted all the time 2011-02-07 17:11:44 sesuncedu edsu: They were telling me that one more single malt wouldn't hurt :-) 2011-02-07 17:12:06 anarchivist @translationparty This semantic beer is affecting my reasoning engine. 2011-02-07 17:12:12 zoia anarchivist: This means that the beer affecting my inference engine. 2011-02-07 17:12:12 edsu sesuncedu: that one is to be believed :) 2011-02-07 17:12:29 anarchivist zoia++ 2011-02-07 17:12:32 edsu sesuncedu: so what're you doing w/ the computer where this detail matters? 2011-02-07 17:12:48 decasm_ flyingzumwalt: any plans for meeting to go to dinner? 2011-02-07 17:13:04 decasm_ flyingzumwalt: just saw wiki page 2011-02-07 17:13:21 mjg_ @dunno add THIS MEANS THAT THE BEER AFFECTING MY INFERENCE ENGINE 2011-02-07 17:13:22 zoia mjg_: The operation succeeded. Dunno #1114 added. 2011-02-07 17:14:47 mjg_ bon lundi (con jamón) 2011-02-07 17:14:57 sesuncedu edsu: I noticed the issue when trying to make HasKey work (or at least give the same results with two different reasoners). 2011-02-07 17:15:53 edsu sesuncedu: the two different reasoners gave you different results? 2011-02-07 17:16:04 edsu sesuncedu: isn't that a software problem? 2011-02-07 17:17:01 sesuncedu edsu: three :-P 2011-02-07 17:17:55 sesuncedu edsu: not making the inference of reflexivity was something they agreed on (correctly) 2011-02-07 17:17:58 edsu somewhere bertrand russel's pager is going off 2011-02-07 17:18:12 edsu s/russel/russell/ 2011-02-07 17:18:15 sesuncedu edsu: it's in his beard. 2011-02-07 17:18:19 edsu lol 2011-02-07 17:20:07 sesuncedu A lot of problems with imprecision show up when you try to link a knowledge organization system to consensual reality. That's what the Whisky is for. 2011-02-07 17:31:38 royt sesuncedu: but that isn't ALL that whisky's good for 2011-02-07 17:32:10 sesuncedu royt: it's good for what ails ye 2011-02-07 17:32:52 royt and I be ailin' 2011-02-07 18:03:53 decasm_ fyi, i've the the 3rd of 4 keys to the hospitality suite. and i'm getting ready to close shop for the dinner hour. 2011-02-07 18:08:01 petercline lbjay! 2011-02-07 18:08:19 petercline long gone i bet. 2011-02-07 20:28:08 pmurray /bip blreset 2011-02-07 21:02:46 akorphan Hi Code4Libbers! 2011-02-07 21:02:56 bess hi, akorphan 2011-02-07 21:03:09 akorphan Hi bess! 2011-02-07 21:03:22 BillDueber Hey akorphan 2011-02-07 21:03:27 jbrinley moo 2011-02-07 21:03:41 akorphan akorphan is full of Afghani cuisine. Is that the right inflected form in this case? 2011-02-07 21:03:50 BillDueber is there any hospitality going on in the appropriately-named suite? 2011-02-07 21:05:34 akorphan BillDueber: No idea, myself... Who's hosting it this year anyway? 2011-02-07 21:05:39 jeff moof 2011-02-07 21:06:11 BillDueber moofa 2011-02-07 21:07:40 edsu lbjay: do you still want irc.code4lib.org to point at that page? 2011-02-07 21:22:52 anarchivist_ @quote random 2011-02-07 21:22:53 zoia anarchivist_: Quote #2363: "< jrochkind> i think about all SORTS of things." (added by anarchivist at 08:18 PM, August 03, 2010) 2011-02-07 21:28:34 royt royt is missing pie at C4L 2011-02-07 21:39:58 iPat To 2011-02-07 21:40:05 iPat Err. Yo 2011-02-07 21:40:23 iPat Is there any food at the Biddle? 2011-02-07 21:40:32 iPat Just got here 2011-02-07 21:40:35 iPat Dying 2011-02-07 21:42:41 anarchivist_ iPat: downtown is a shortmealk 2011-02-07 21:44:16 zoia Shh! Daft largesse 2011-02-07 21:44:51 gsf @tunes 2011-02-07 21:44:53 zoia gsf: Chairlift : Bruises 2011-02-07 21:45:57 jeff jeff pesters bshum about apple hardware 2011-02-07 22:03:35 lbjay edsu: i'm not running that sioclog software again for this year, but i was hoping to put my irssi log into one of those simile timelines again at least 2011-02-07 22:03:43 lbjay edsu: so i don't know 2011-02-07 22:05:09 akorphan iPat, do you have a front-facing camera? 2011-02-07 22:05:28 akorphan oh, i am so behind 2011-02-07 22:05:31 akorphan just ignore me 2011-02-07 22:05:49 akorphan (but don't /ignore me) 2011-02-07 22:10:58 zoia Ooh, that smell / Can't you smell that smell? / Ooh, that smell / The smell of phasefx surrounds you... 2011-02-07 22:11:08 mbklein @whoami 2011-02-07 22:11:08 zoia mbklein: mbklein 2011-02-07 22:20:10 lbjay what's the haps in room #117? 2011-02-07 22:21:37 ranti ::crickets:: 2011-02-07 22:25:52 thrind there are haps 2011-02-07 22:39:54 akorphan sleeeepy 2011-02-07 22:40:11 akorphan ranti_ , how good was that restaurant? 2011-02-07 22:41:01 anarchivist_ @hussein bobst boy 2011-02-07 22:41:03 zoia anarchivist_: Best, boobyish sun 2011-02-07 22:41:13 ranti_ akorphan: the Afghanistan restaurant? Excellent! Middle East style food. 2011-02-07 22:43:13 akorphan also, it was the BEST of the newbie dinners (and possibly the least newbie filled) 2011-02-07 22:43:59 akorphan (I am in no way suggesting a correlation between these factors. Newbies rock!) 2011-02-07 22:47:10 lbjay afghani_food++ 2011-02-07 22:48:28 lbjay i could eat that spciy green sauce by the bowl 2011-02-07 22:49:06 akorphan spicy_green_sauce++ 2011-02-07 22:49:09 ranti_ spicy_food++ 2011-02-07 22:49:15 lbjay chatni or chantey i think 2011-02-07 22:49:27 akorphan presumably a relative of chutney? 2011-02-07 22:50:02 akorphan that whole subcontinent is an orgy of food incest, to coin an extended metaphor 2011-02-07 22:50:20 lbjay @aremyslidesdoneyet 2011-02-07 22:50:21 zoia lbjay: THIS IS NOT THE FACEBOOK LOGIN PAGE 2011-02-07 22:51:53 dbs lbjay: have you installed the application you're talking about yet? 2011-02-07 22:52:24 lbjay dbs: invenio? 2011-02-07 22:53:04 dbs lbjay: just checking to see how much you're procrastinating :) 2011-02-07 22:54:13 lbjay dbs: i'm in the Holy Crap I'm Going To Just Have to Paste Raw Code Into the Slides phase 2011-02-07 22:54:22 dbs hah 2011-02-07 22:54:41 dbs "Compile this with your eyes" 2011-02-07 22:55:09 lbjay *seefault* 2011-02-07 23:01:07 jeff ENOBEER 2011-02-07 23:03:35 BillDueber @quote search slides 2011-02-07 23:03:39 zoia BillDueber: No matching quotes were found. 2011-02-07 23:03:45 BillDueber @quote search presentation 2011-02-07 23:03:50 zoia BillDueber: 4 found: #1627: "< edsu> mjgiarlo: we totally have to bring fake...", #1694: "< atz> wtf useless unicode, solving the...", #2147: "dbs: are you guys putting in a bulk order of 3D...", and #2450: "< MrDys> nothing gets me more excited than a..." 2011-02-07 23:04:07 BillDueber @quote get 1627 2011-02-07 23:04:07 zoia BillDueber: Quote #1627: "< edsu> mjgiarlo: we totally have to bring fake swords and duel during the presentation" (added by anarchivist at 03:36 PM, November 21, 2008) 2011-02-07 23:45:34 rsinger @who is going to bite off [someone]'s earlobe when things get nasty in the hospitality suite tonight? 2011-02-07 23:45:35 zoia obst is going to bite off csharp 's earlobe when things get nasty in the hospitality suite tonight. 2011-02-07 23:45:42 rsinger obst++ 2011-02-07 23:56:05 zoia Is that... J from Dinosaur Jr? 2011-02-08 00:06:06 anarchivist http://a8.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash1/hs776.ash1/166618_754979044038_25713325_38109381_7718734_n.jpg 2011-02-08 00:25:43 eby @quote random 2011-02-08 00:25:44 zoia eby: Quote #1210: " just suck all the data into Solr if you need full-text searching" (added by mbklein at 01:43 PM, February 28, 2008) 2011-02-08 00:26:31 eby @more beer 2011-02-08 00:26:32 zoia eby: Error: I haven't seen beer. 2011-02-08 00:26:41 eby You haven't looked very hard 2011-02-08 00:32:31 jeff go bib export go! 2011-02-08 01:01:18 zoia my life is now complete 2011-02-08 01:01:27 MrDys oh, thank you zoia 2011-02-08 01:08:01 MrDys @quote random 2011-02-08 01:08:02 zoia MrDys: Quote #1529: " jbrinley: dung can be contaminated with non-dung" (added by anarchivist at 03:22 PM, September 26, 2008) 2011-02-08 01:13:22 zoia Ce n'est pas un architecte 2011-02-08 01:36:30 lbjay @who is wasting time with google's undersea logo? 2011-02-08 01:36:31 zoia ablemann is wasting time with google's undersea logo. 2011-02-08 07:13:40 lbjay @dunno search neckbeard 2011-02-08 07:13:42 zoia lbjay: No matching dunnos were found. 2011-02-08 07:37:10 lbjay @dunno add put a neckbeard on it 2011-02-08 07:37:10 zoia lbjay: The operation succeeded. Dunno #1115 added. 2011-02-08 07:37:25 anarchivist @danify neck beard 2011-02-08 07:37:26 zoia anarchivist: Nèck Bèårdsen 2011-02-08 07:38:18 lbjay should i know how to get to this whittenberger auditorium? 2011-02-08 07:43:00 anarchivist lbjay: it's on the first floor of the union 2011-02-08 07:43:05 scolford Floor one turn right from the elevators. Or if you are still in the hospitality suite, walk past the elevators to the bagels. 2011-02-08 07:45:31 lbjay @who fell asleep in the hospitality suite? 2011-02-08 07:45:32 zoia phasefx2 fell asleep in the hospitality suite. 2011-02-08 07:45:43 jbrinley @quote add Floor one turn right from the elevators. Or if you are still in the hospitality suite, walk past the elevators to the bagels. 2011-02-08 07:45:43 zoia jbrinley: The operation succeeded. Quote #2504 added. 2011-02-08 07:46:02 JodiS hey #c4l11! :) 2011-02-08 07:46:14 JodiS really digging the streaming plan 2011-02-08 07:46:22 scolford JodiS is in the house! 2011-02-08 07:46:30 JodiS yo Scott! 2011-02-08 07:47:29 JodiS anybody had success with importing the schedule page as .ics? google calendar doesn't read what is produced, but it looks reasonable to me. gcal bug? 2011-02-08 07:47:41 lbjay @sing true love always : stream up 2011-02-08 07:47:46 zoia lbjay: No lyrics found for stream up by true love always 2011-02-08 07:48:28 scolford Oh, no. The timestamps are all 2010. Discovered that Sunday night, but just regexed them correct in TextWrangler. 2011-02-08 07:49:18 JodiS hmm 2011-02-08 07:49:20 JodiS that could be it 2011-02-08 07:49:32 JodiS yup, these are 2010 dates! 2011-02-08 07:49:34 JodiS score! 2011-02-08 07:49:42 scolford Yeah, it's just the year. Otherwise correct. 2011-02-08 07:50:22 scolford Of course, I imported it into Google with my default reminder times set so now I have 98 appts in there that will send me email 2 hours before and ding 10 mins before on my phone. Grr. 2011-02-08 07:51:04 JodiS ok, I was editing the page anyway, so I'll did "2010- replace all "2011- 2011-02-08 07:51:12 JodiS hopefully I didn't break anything... 2011-02-08 07:51:30 scolford Oh good. Should be fine. I meant to tell someone... Sorry I forgot! 2011-02-08 07:52:23 JodiS no worries, it's fixed now :) 2011-02-08 07:52:38 JodiS anyway, there is a gcal bug -- this imports fine into ical 2011-02-08 07:54:54 scolford Oh, I actually did it in ical, but to my gcal account. So doing it on the web I've not tried. 2011-02-08 07:58:51 zoia I saw Lon Cheney Jr. walking down the street 2011-02-08 08:00:46 JodiS Open Bibliographic Data Challenge: http://openbiblio.net/challenge/ 2011-02-08 08:09:07 MrDys @quote random 2011-02-08 08:09:08 zoia MrDys: Quote #1410: "< BenO> Crig people -> we are the walled garden burglars" (added by edsu at 09:21 AM, June 05, 2008) 2011-02-08 08:26:11 JodiS wondering: are we logging the channel for the conference this year? 2011-02-08 08:26:35 JodiS JodiS it was awesome to integrate IRC commentary into the video stream (lbjay's mashup) 2011-02-08 08:28:01 anna3lc JodiS: i didn't see that is it linked somewhere on code4lib wiki? sounds rad 2011-02-08 08:35:47 JodiS anna3lc, not sure let me see if I can dig it up 2011-02-08 08:36:07 anna3lc JodiS: no hurry :) 2011-02-08 08:37:31 JodiS hmm, just noticed this though: http://wiki.code4lib.org/index.php/2010_Twitter_List 2011-02-08 08:38:06 JodiS JodiS @later tell JodiS ask lbjay about the ~2009 browser/mashup 2011-02-08 08:38:06 zoia JodiS: The operation succeeded. 2011-02-08 08:44:57 pmurray @excuse 2011-02-08 08:44:58 zoia pmurray: My excuse for today is "Internet Explorer" 2011-02-08 08:46:36 druthb g'morning! 2011-02-08 08:50:44 pberry Morning all 2011-02-08 08:50:51 gsf morning! 2011-02-08 08:51:01 gsf @tdih 2011-02-08 08:51:03 zoia gsf: C.D Lake, H.H. Aiken, F.E. Hamilton, and B.M. Durfee file a calculator patent for the Automatic Sequence Control Calculator, commonly known as the Harvard Mark I. The Mark I was a large automatic digital computer that could perform the four basic arithmetic functions and handle 23 decimal places. A multiplication took about five seconds 2011-02-08 08:51:12 pberry Live from IU! 2011-02-08 08:51:59 pberry We bring you code4lib 2011 2011-02-08 08:52:19 akorphan is there coffee yet? 2011-02-08 08:52:27 jtgormanph anybody use android irc? do you know how to set default nick? 2011-02-08 08:52:50 pberry Last I saw they were still empty 2011-02-08 08:52:59 pberry There is a star bucks nearby though 2011-02-08 08:53:09 pberry Over by alumni hall or whatever 2011-02-08 08:53:44 akorphan blargh 2011-02-08 08:53:53 pberry The wireless coverage is nice 2011-02-08 08:53:58 yo_bj Anyone have any requests for music? Sitting right next to the piano... 2011-02-08 08:54:02 pberry Kudos to whoever set that up 2011-02-08 08:54:11 pberry Chopsticks! 2011-02-08 08:54:12 akorphan yo_bj: can you play my melancholy baby? 2011-02-08 08:54:25 yo_bj I can handle chopsticks! 2011-02-08 08:54:26 druthb There *was* coffee earlier. I think my coworker drank it all, maybe. That man can consume more coffee than any human I've ever seen. ;-) 2011-02-08 08:54:32 scolford Singalong! 2011-02-08 08:54:35 pberry Or Wonderwall 2011-02-08 08:55:10 timmcgeary morning everyone. I'm here for my annual visit to #code4lib 2011-02-08 08:55:30 gsf timmcgeary: welcome to #code4lib 2011-02-08 08:55:35 MrDys- | you're always welcome here 2011-02-08 08:55:45 ndushay how come i don't get that welcome? 2011-02-08 08:55:48 timmcgeary thanks, gabe 2011-02-08 08:56:04 jaf ah that's better 2011-02-08 08:56:12 MrDys- | ndushay is old hat 2011-02-08 08:56:19 anarchivist @ana code4lib for heshers 2011-02-08 08:56:20 zoia anarchivist: Chief bolder horses 2011-02-08 08:56:35 gsf ndushay: o hai 2011-02-08 08:56:46 ejk Trying to follow with online streaming 2011-02-08 08:56:46 MrDys- | code4milliners 2011-02-08 08:56:49 pberry I think all that stout last night gave me SARS 2011-02-08 08:56:58 pberry or bird flu 2011-02-08 08:57:04 pmurray @twit --from maxxkrakoa 2011-02-08 08:57:05 zoia pmurray: maxxkrakoa: Had a sausage and egg burger for breakfast... 2011-02-08 08:57:13 anarchivist anarchivist @aussie tell lbjay to stfu 2011-02-08 08:57:13 zoia anarchivist: SHRIMP ON THE BARBIE, MATES! 2011-02-08 08:57:36 gsf the coffee stout was delish 2011-02-08 08:57:52 anarchivist gsf: i have a coffeehouse porter for tonight 2011-02-08 08:57:56 pmurray pmurray suspects zoia is going to get a workout today 2011-02-08 08:58:06 timmcgeary where do I find such good stout? 2011-02-08 08:58:19 anarchivist timmcgeary: we'll be at the hospitality suite tonight 2011-02-08 08:58:27 jbrinley @who has good stout 2011-02-08 08:58:27 zoia ccurry1 has good stout. 2011-02-08 08:58:27 ndushay timmcgeary: I'm pretty stout these days ... 2011-02-08 08:58:46 druthb druthb waves to sekjal 2011-02-08 08:58:55 timmcgeary ha, naomi 2011-02-08 08:58:59 sekjal hey, druthb! 2011-02-08 08:59:11 timmcgeary good to know - I think I'll be visiting the hospitality suite tonight 2011-02-08 08:59:21 anarchivist http://breadpeople.tumblr.com/post/3171609539 2011-02-08 08:59:36 pberry The cleaning cover charge was a stroke of genius 2011-02-08 09:00:39 timmcgeary I brought "Inception" with me from Redbox - maybe some stout will enhance my dream world tonight after I finish watching it 2011-02-08 09:01:12 emorgan Hello world from my iPad irc client 2011-02-08 09:01:25 akorphan hello emorgan's iPad irc client 2011-02-08 09:01:39 MrDys- | should've charged my laptop. bah. 2011-02-08 09:01:50 timmcgeary morning, emorgan 2011-02-08 09:01:55 pberry I wish Colloqy would fix that damn keyboard bug 2011-02-08 09:01:56 jeff greetings (sent from my iPad) 2011-02-08 09:02:01 jeff how goes it? (send from my iPad) 2011-02-08 09:02:10 escowles but then how will i know whether it's the dream or the beer that keeps the top spinning? 2011-02-08 09:02:14 jaf so, is anyone getting the video stream yet? was supposed to be streaming about 15 minutes ago... 2011-02-08 09:02:17 jeff bah. typos break even lame jokes. 2011-02-08 09:02:38 ejk jaf: I'm not getting anything yet 2011-02-08 09:02:45 gsf @band add The Broken Jokes 2011-02-08 09:02:46 zoia gsf: Band 'The Broken Jokes' added to list 2011-02-08 09:02:56 ejk Yay, streaming is up! 2011-02-08 09:02:58 anarchivist @ana mcdonald's watch 2011-02-08 09:02:59 zoia anarchivist: Damn! Watch scold 2011-02-08 09:03:09 pberry 260 2011-02-08 09:03:13 pberry Nice 2011-02-08 09:03:21 MrDys- | bling blang 2011-02-08 09:03:30 jaf ejk: hmmm, I'm still not getting it 2011-02-08 09:03:36 tokeee Okay, math time. There are 8 power outlets divided into 4 double-socket-thingies. Assuming that this means 4 separate circuits and that they can take about 30A @ 110V each, there is a combined amount of about 13000W. An average laptop takes about 90W, netbooks takes less, my room-heater takes 200 (sorry)... Let's be generous and say an overall average of 80W. 13000/80 ~= 160 computers if devided equally (which they are not). Right now peop 2011-02-08 09:03:44 pberry Data center tour?! Nerdtastic 2011-02-08 09:03:48 anarchivist @ana datacenter tour 2011-02-08 09:03:48 zoia anarchivist: True nectar toad 2011-02-08 09:04:22 gsf ooh heated seats! 2011-02-08 09:04:31 tokeee Ah, no problem then 2011-02-08 09:04:33 pberry Leather? 2011-02-08 09:04:34 MrDys- | @band add Nectar Toad 2011-02-08 09:04:35 zoia MrDys-: Band 'Nectar Toad' added to list 2011-02-08 09:04:39 timmcgeary more power 2011-02-08 09:04:45 ejk It's like I'm right there! Except... no beer... so not like it at all. 2011-02-08 09:04:49 zoia pberry is a witch! 2011-02-08 09:05:00 jaf weird, i don't see the video stream.... 2011-02-08 09:05:05 pberry Am not! 2011-02-08 09:05:10 jeff jeff raises a cup of coffee toward ejk 2011-02-08 09:05:19 pberry This is a false nose 2011-02-08 09:05:22 lbjay JodiS: been too busy with my preso but i'm logging the channel and will hopefully put something up later 2011-02-08 09:05:27 jbrinley where do I find this streaming c4lcon? 2011-02-08 09:05:54 timmcgeary c4l w/o beer - perish the thought. 2011-02-08 09:05:56 ejk http://www.indiana.edu/~uits/code4lib/program/sessions.php 2011-02-08 09:05:59 lbjay jbrinley: there's links from code4lib.org 2011-02-08 09:06:01 escowles demographic: neckbeards 2011-02-08 09:06:10 jbrinley jbrinley just found it 2011-02-08 09:06:24 akorphan white_castle++ 2011-02-08 09:06:24 pberry Way to go bigd 2011-02-08 09:06:29 pmurray @karma 2011-02-08 09:06:29 zoia pmurray: Highest karma: "mbklein" (398), "edsu" (374), and "anarchivist" (366). Lowest karma: "iii" (-127), "central_IT" (-31), and "php" (-17). You (pmurray) are ranked 32 out of 2679. 2011-02-08 09:06:33 gsf BigD++ 2011-02-08 09:06:34 jbrinley http://www.indiana.edu/~video/stream/liveflash.html?filename=C4L2011_session_1 2011-02-08 09:06:34 MrDys- | we have a mission? 2011-02-08 09:06:49 akorphan ibahn-- 2011-02-08 09:06:57 yo_bj ibahn-- 2011-02-08 09:07:01 ndushay mbklein++ 2011-02-08 09:07:02 ejk ibahn-- 2011-02-08 09:07:02 pmurray mbklein++ 2011-02-08 09:07:10 jbrinley mbklein++ 2011-02-08 09:07:16 gsf mbklein-- 2011-02-08 09:07:22 JodiS "opportunities to drink beer" 2011-02-08 09:07:27 akorphan beer++ 2011-02-08 09:07:31 timmcgeary beer++ 2011-02-08 09:07:35 ndushay @karma beer 2011-02-08 09:07:36 zoia ndushay: Karma for "beer" has been increased 12 times and decreased 1 time for a total karma of 11. 2011-02-08 09:07:45 mbklein gsf++ bring it 2011-02-08 09:07:52 ndushay @karma ndushay 2011-02-08 09:07:52 zoia ndushay: Karma for "ndushay" has been increased 32 times and decreased 1 time for a total karma of 31. 2011-02-08 09:07:59 ndushay awesome - I'm ahead of beer! 2011-02-08 09:08:06 mbklein @karma mbklein 2011-02-08 09:08:06 zoia mbklein: Karma for "mbklein" has been increased 444 times and decreased 44 times for a total karma of 400. 2011-02-08 09:08:08 ejk hrm... wonder if I can get a per diem for "attending" the streaming version of the conference 2011-02-08 09:08:10 timmcgeary @karma timmcgeary 2011-02-08 09:08:11 zoia timmcgeary: timmcgeary has neutral karma. 2011-02-08 09:08:16 JodiS my new power supply is just not working. WTF?! 2011-02-08 09:08:19 anarchivist @who is the bobby knight of code4lib 2011-02-08 09:08:20 zoia phasefx is the bobby knight of code4lib. 2011-02-08 09:08:22 pberry They play basketball here? 2011-02-08 09:08:27 gsf timmcgeary++ 2011-02-08 09:08:30 akorphan JodiS: That happened to me in providence! 2011-02-08 09:08:32 timmcgeary sigh - my karma stock pile is depleted 2011-02-08 09:08:33 JodiS dude, has anybody contacted freenode staff? 2011-02-08 09:08:37 anna3lc is she trying to hire all of us? 2011-02-08 09:08:42 gsf JodiS: mbklein-- did 2011-02-08 09:08:45 zoia I saw Lon Cheney Jr. walking down the street 2011-02-08 09:08:51 JodiS akorphan: and unfortunately I'm at home 2011-02-08 09:08:53 JodiS mbklein++ 2011-02-08 09:08:58 BillDueber Not sure who her audience is, here... 2011-02-08 09:08:58 yo_bj they are hiring a few librarian positions 2011-02-08 09:08:59 pmurray JodiS: why? 2011-02-08 09:09:09 akorphan JodiS: Even worse! 2011-02-08 09:09:10 pmurray pmurray is curious 2011-02-08 09:09:21 BillDueber JodiS: And you are missed. 2011-02-08 09:09:23 gsf pmurray: to warn about the load 2011-02-08 09:09:32 pmurray gsf: Ah, true. 2011-02-08 09:09:37 JodiS pmurray: jeremy couldn't get into IRC 2011-02-08 09:09:47 JodiS frumpkin in channel yet? 2011-02-08 09:09:53 mbklein Freenode tip: I submitted the request with IP addresses and capacity needs on 1/24. But it didn't get done until I prodded staff in the #freenode channel yesterday afternoon. 2011-02-08 09:10:06 mbklein Moral of the story: Follow up. 2011-02-08 09:10:10 gsf freenode++ 2011-02-08 09:10:11 mbklein mbklein will update wiki 2011-02-08 09:10:12 lbjay @ana jeremy frumpkin 2011-02-08 09:10:13 zoia lbjay: Knife merry jump 2011-02-08 09:10:16 timmcgeary_ how do I kill off my first login? 2011-02-08 09:10:16 JodiS mbklein++ 2011-02-08 09:10:22 akorphan Speaking of which, someone should call the shuttle company to warn them about Thursday. 2011-02-08 09:10:23 timmcgeary_ freenode froze on me 2011-02-08 09:10:26 anarchivist1 timmcgeary_: have you auth'd to nickserv? 2011-02-08 09:10:32 timmcgeary_ no 2011-02-08 09:10:42 mbklein timmcgeary_: If you're registered with nickserv, you can /ghost your nick. Otherwise you just have to wait. 2011-02-08 09:10:54 anarchivist @ana ghost dad 2011-02-08 09:10:55 pberry Oh, sure...the princess gets special treatment 2011-02-08 09:10:55 zoia anarchivist: Ghost add 2011-02-08 09:10:58 timmcgeary_ wait how long? 2011-02-08 09:11:00 JodiS I'm going to go with the hail mary: reboot in irrational hopes that that will guilt my powersupply into working 2011-02-08 09:11:13 BillDueber timmcgeary_: Don't worry, you're not confusing anyone with your clever "trailing-underscore" disguise 2011-02-08 09:11:19 BigD Heh, i remember her from the bus now 2011-02-08 09:11:23 ndushay what would happen if these introductions were all about the people in code4lib instead of about the hosting institution? 2011-02-08 09:11:31 pberry Music box? 2011-02-08 09:11:32 timmcgeary_ It's a Library in a box? 2011-02-08 09:11:34 abarrera BigD did you try to get her digits? 2011-02-08 09:11:37 awead ndushay++ 2011-02-08 09:11:37 BillDueber ndushay: People might listen. 2011-02-08 09:11:38 ndushay better yet, what if it was just the channel projected? 2011-02-08 09:11:39 timmcgeary_ Cut a hole in the box 2011-02-08 09:11:41 pberry Ha! 2011-02-08 09:11:41 mbklein timmcgeary_: I don't remember. 2011-02-08 09:11:43 BigD She sat way up front and didn't 2011-02-08 09:11:44 pmurray sponsors++ 2011-02-08 09:11:48 BigD Engage 2011-02-08 09:11:48 maccabee_ she did talk about c4l people. we apparently like white castle. 2011-02-08 09:11:51 MrDys- | BigD: was she pitching the library the whole ride? 2011-02-08 09:11:53 BillDueber Yeah, sponsors. 2011-02-08 09:11:53 yo_bj Sponser plug time! 2011-02-08 09:11:53 akorphan I like it when people's nicks suggest a weird pronunciation of their actual name. Like "charper" 2011-02-08 09:11:54 timmcgeary_ Put your um, books, in the box 2011-02-08 09:11:55 decasm_ BigD has a finger collection? 2011-02-08 09:11:56 pberry ndushay: That never goes well 2011-02-08 09:12:04 BillDueber And that_oclc_thing_with_docs_about_their_services+++ 2011-02-08 09:12:05 akorphan charper: one who charps. 2011-02-08 09:12:13 atz pluggity, pluggity 2011-02-08 09:12:25 anarchivist @zalgo duracloud 2011-02-08 09:12:26 zoia D̴̙̙̙̙̀͆𝀵̸̷̛̙̙͙̙̙̙̙̙̙͓̙̞̙̙̙̀͌ͤ̀̌͏̴̢̛̙̞̙̞̙̹̙͇̙̙̙̰̙̙̙̙̙̙̙̼̙̳̙̙̙̙̙̙̙̙̙̦̙̈́̄ͨͧ͊̅ͦ̇̿͟͡͝͞҉̨̙̻̙̙̙̤̙̼̙̣̙̙͔̙͑̚U̷̢̙̙̻̙̙̙̙͕̙̫̙̙̙̙̙̙̙̘̙̙̙͍̙̙̙̙̙̙̇ͦͧ͒ͫͧ̈̿̀̐͒ͪ̚R̷̸̴̵̸̡̧̙̥̙̮̙̙̙̙̙̪̙̙̗̙̙̙̙̙̯̙̙̙̜̙͈̙̩̙̙̙̜̙̣̙̙̣̙̙̙̙̙̙̙̀́̊͂̄̆͛́͐̈́̉̚̕͡ (2 more messages) 2011-02-08 09:12:28 pmurray sponsors++, ++, ++, ++, ++ 2011-02-08 09:12:32 maccabee_ sponsors++ 2011-02-08 09:12:33 MrDys- | we loves sponsors 2011-02-08 09:12:35 BillDueber BillDueber can never find the damn xISBN docs when he needs them. 2011-02-08 09:12:41 timmcgeary_ sponsors++ 2011-02-08 09:12:41 pberry Hooray 2011-02-08 09:12:45 ejk ejk claps 2011-02-08 09:12:56 akorphan sponsor-splosion! 2011-02-08 09:13:01 mbklein I'm going to post this once per day, and that'll be the extent of it: IF YOU APPRECIATE AND ENJOY THE #CODE4LIB CHANNEL, PLEASE SUPPORT FREENODE BY CONTRIBUTING TO THE PDPC. http://freenode.net/pdpc.shtml 2011-02-08 09:13:02 atz @love sponsors 2011-02-08 09:13:03 zoia atz: The operation succeeded. atz loves sponsors. 2011-02-08 09:13:07 librarywebchi @BillDueber glad you like the the brochure. Best way to get to services info is to go to http://www.oclc.org/developer/services 2011-02-08 09:13:08 zoia librarywebchic: That's it. You're moving in with your auntie and your uncle in Bel Air. 2011-02-08 09:13:08 BillDueber Brad Wheeler's first job in IT was collecting dimes next to the printer 2011-02-08 09:13:18 BigD She forgot to thank white castle 2011-02-08 09:13:23 pmurray mbklein++ # I have, but I think I need to re-up my contribution 2011-02-08 09:13:25 akorphan white_castle++ 2011-02-08 09:13:27 ndushay mbklein: you should have waited until more people were up 2011-02-08 09:13:28 anna3lc anna3lc feels like she should be getting into a formula 1 car when putting on my code4lib tshirt this year 2011-02-08 09:13:32 ndushay BigD++ 2011-02-08 09:13:32 mbklein BillDueber: Did you look in whichever of your pockets DOESN'T have a can of Coke in it? 2011-02-08 09:13:37 akorphan Man, every time they say it, i think "Hottie Trust" 2011-02-08 09:13:37 mbklein BigD++ 2011-02-08 09:13:39 lbjay mbklein++ # that is something i would give money to 2011-02-08 09:13:41 timmcgeary that's better 2011-02-08 09:13:43 BillDueber mbklein: Dude, I'm just excited to see you! 2011-02-08 09:13:45 ejk hottie_trust++ 2011-02-08 09:13:48 timmcgeary akorphan++ 2011-02-08 09:13:52 lbjay code4lib, not so much 2011-02-08 09:13:54 ndushay akorphan++ 2011-02-08 09:13:56 BillDueber mbklein++ 2011-02-08 09:14:07 ndushay BillDueber++ 2011-02-08 09:14:08 decasm_ @ana humoring the suits 2011-02-08 09:14:09 zoia decasm_: Mushiest or in thug 2011-02-08 09:14:15 pmurray @cyborg hottie_trust 2011-02-08 09:14:17 ndushay how will the non-drinking folks network? 2011-02-08 09:14:17 MrDys- | not Antarctica? 2011-02-08 09:14:18 zoia pmurray: Names can't have more than 10 letters. Please enter another name. 2011-02-08 09:14:22 eefcee videostream++ 2011-02-08 09:14:25 ndushay oh wait - that's just BillDueber and me 2011-02-08 09:14:26 escowles i'm not used to sales pitches for something i've already bought 2011-02-08 09:14:37 BillDueber ndushay: I drink. Just not beer. 2011-02-08 09:14:42 BigD akorphan++ 2011-02-08 09:14:44 timmcgeary After Brad speaks, Kuali Foundation membership increases 5% 2011-02-08 09:14:47 gluejar irc volume=> people aren't listening 2011-02-08 09:14:50 gsf kevin spacey! 2011-02-08 09:14:53 pberry Boy are my arms tired! 2011-02-08 09:14:53 ndushay a TIE? 2011-02-08 09:14:55 BillDueber BillDueber will make a run to Big 10 Liquor between now and then and get some clear alcohol 2011-02-08 09:14:58 ejk kevin spacey! 2011-02-08 09:14:59 ndushay gsf++ 2011-02-08 09:15:01 akorphan gsf: that was my first thought! 2011-02-08 09:15:08 pberry He totally looks like Spacey 2011-02-08 09:15:09 pmurray flashing_lights++ 2011-02-08 09:15:10 akorphan wait, flashing lights? 2011-02-08 09:15:12 ndushay i'm pretty spacey 2011-02-08 09:15:16 BillDueber Wow. He really *does* look like Spacey. 2011-02-08 09:15:18 ndushay it's about me, isn't it? 2011-02-08 09:15:22 timmcgeary You should see Brad Wheeler "dressed down" 2011-02-08 09:15:26 yo_bj gdf++ 2011-02-08 09:15:26 BigD Kaiser soce 2011-02-08 09:15:27 gluejar they're into visual symbols here 2011-02-08 09:15:30 akorphan Wait, who is Keyser Soze? 2011-02-08 09:15:31 yo_bj gsf++ 2011-02-08 09:15:34 MrDys- | @sing Kanye west : flashing lights 2011-02-08 09:15:36 zoia But I never thought that you would take it this far / But what do I know / What do I know / As you recall you know I love to show off 2011-02-08 09:15:41 ndushay @ana Keyser Soze 2011-02-08 09:15:42 zoia ndushay: See zero sky 2011-02-08 09:15:52 akorphan zoia++ 2011-02-08 09:15:58 BillDueber akorphan: It's a character in a movie, but that's not important now. 2011-02-08 09:16:18 ndushay they want us to go see the machine room? 2011-02-08 09:16:18 mbklein @who is Keyser Söze? 2011-02-08 09:16:19 zoia MrDys_home is Keyser Söze. 2011-02-08 09:16:24 ndushay machine rooms are sexy? 2011-02-08 09:16:28 BigD Oh! Flashing lights are the data centers 2011-02-08 09:16:31 gsf @danify keyser soze 2011-02-08 09:16:32 zoia gsf: Kèysèr Søzèsen 2011-02-08 09:16:32 akorphan Grid clouds! 2011-02-08 09:16:33 tingletech I'm also highly virtualized 2011-02-08 09:16:35 BillDueber BillDueber 's battery may not make it to the end of this session. 2011-02-08 09:16:35 pberry @sing kanye west : power 2011-02-08 09:16:37 zoia Do it better than anybody you ever seen do it / Screams from the haters, got a nice ring to it / I guess every superhero need his theme music / No one man should have all that power 2011-02-08 09:16:41 edc-iPad | This iPad client lacks in scrolling Too much chat going on! 2011-02-08 09:16:47 BillDueber There's a CAVE here, too. 2011-02-08 09:16:51 BigD ndushay: Geeks only love machine rooms 2011-02-08 09:16:54 pberry Ipv6! 2011-02-08 09:16:57 akorphan edc-iPad: also, I bet your arm gets REALLY tired. 2011-02-08 09:17:00 mbklein @who said, "The greatest trick [someone] ever pulled was convincing #code4lib s/he didn't exist." 2011-02-08 09:17:00 zoia edc-iPad said, The greatest trick [someone] ever pulled was convincing #code4lib s/he didn't exist. 2011-02-08 09:17:01 gluejar next trend- a cloud on every campus 2011-02-08 09:17:03 ndushay BillDueber: move over and I'll let you use my power, baby. 2011-02-08 09:17:05 pberry Get loaded? 2011-02-08 09:17:09 pmurray "Need to get loaded..." 2011-02-08 09:17:10 mbklein Grr 2011-02-08 09:17:11 ejk wait for it 2011-02-08 09:17:13 jstirnaman1 he just said get loaded 2011-02-08 09:17:14 lbjay we all need to get loaded? 2011-02-08 09:17:14 danwho I saw an electric typewriter upstairs 2011-02-08 09:17:19 mbklein @who said, The greatest trick [someone] ever pulled was convincing #code4lib s/he didn't exist. 2011-02-08 09:17:19 zoia helrond said, The greatest trick sharrow ever pulled was convincing #code4lib s/he didn't exist. 2011-02-08 09:17:23 mbklein There. 2011-02-08 09:17:26 lbjay @who is already loaded? 2011-02-08 09:17:27 zoia moodaepo is already loaded. 2011-02-08 09:17:28 BillDueber danwho: Doing the wereworld of london? 2011-02-08 09:17:32 escowles i want a cloud in my pocket! 2011-02-08 09:17:32 BigD I blame Robert 2011-02-08 09:17:38 fowbar He hasn''t said "CYBER" yet 2011-02-08 09:17:43 ndushay he wants to drive hom. 2011-02-08 09:17:44 ndushay home. 2011-02-08 09:17:44 BillDueber And that message is: Get Drunk. 2011-02-08 09:17:50 danwho BillDueber: His hair was perfect 2011-02-08 09:17:52 BigD Cyberinfrastructure 2011-02-08 09:17:52 akorphan beer++ 2011-02-08 09:17:53 anarchivist @ana chudfest 2011-02-08 09:17:54 zoia anarchivist: Such deft 2011-02-08 09:17:55 ndushay chugfest? 2011-02-08 09:18:03 akorphan @ana cyberinfrastructure 2011-02-08 09:18:05 zoia akorphan: Cretins curt February 2011-02-08 09:18:10 BillDueber danwho++ 2011-02-08 09:18:23 ecorrado ecorrado wants to here the terms "cyber-infrastructure" and "web scale" 2011-02-08 09:18:25 pberry Open always wins. Right? 2011-02-08 09:18:35 gsf opencourseware++ 2011-02-08 09:18:36 ejk Okay, it's only been 15 minutes but this streaming coverage + IRC is pretty much the best thing ever 2011-02-08 09:18:41 anna3lc i am so bad at looking like im not laughing at you fools 2011-02-08 09:18:42 mbklein "Charles Vest" sounds like a university administrator. "Chuck Vest" sounds like a parka made of meat. 2011-02-08 09:18:45 BillDueber Chuck Vest is wrong. Universities don't sell education, they sell diplomas with a name on it. 2011-02-08 09:18:47 atz meta++ 2011-02-08 09:18:48 akorphan oh no! there are web-scale clouds infiltrating the cyberinfrastructure grid! 2011-02-08 09:18:55 fowbar I'm selling Chuck Vests for tonight's beer tasting 2011-02-08 09:19:01 mbklein anna3lc: give up. we will break you. 2011-02-08 09:19:02 ecorrado akorphan++ 2011-02-08 09:19:05 BillDueber See my vest! see my vest! made of real gorilla chest! 2011-02-08 09:19:09 ndushay my shoulders are shaking 2011-02-08 09:19:09 gluejar what are our drinking words today? "grid" "cloud"... 2011-02-08 09:19:13 anarchivist meat_clothing++ 2011-02-08 09:19:19 pberry Vestal Pance 2011-02-08 09:19:25 ndushay hey, if you search google images for "bacon" the first image is a bacon clothing item. 2011-02-08 09:19:26 pberry Vestan 2011-02-08 09:19:28 anarchivist @sing the normal : warm leatherette 2011-02-08 09:19:30 zoia anarchivist: No lyrics found for warm leatherette by the normal 2011-02-08 09:19:34 BigD Mmm, meat clothes 2011-02-08 09:19:34 pberry Damn autocorrect 2011-02-08 09:19:36 akorphan zoia-- 2011-02-08 09:19:47 gsf ndushay: if i didn't know better i would think you like that image 2011-02-08 09:19:51 anna3lc please share your tips for disguising inappropriate laughter 2011-02-08 09:19:55 akorphan See the breaking glass / in the underpass / See the breaking glass / in the underpass 2011-02-08 09:19:58 ndushay gsf: i was shocked 2011-02-08 09:20:13 eby eby is still waiting for black eyed peas to drop on stage 2011-02-08 09:20:18 pberry Uh, monopoly? 2011-02-08 09:20:20 atz anna3lc: iphone fart apps? 2011-02-08 09:20:29 timmcgeary atz++ 2011-02-08 09:20:29 fowbar anyone need beer goggles to go with their chuck vest? 2011-02-08 09:20:32 mbklein anna3lc: go with "tuberculosis cough." usually works for me. 2011-02-08 09:20:34 ndushay eby: /black eyed peas/ping pong balls/ 2011-02-08 09:20:39 gluejar All IBM needed was a CEO who wasn't an idiot 2011-02-08 09:20:40 akorphan eby: I think the Super Bowl half time show was the result of a love child between Tron and Mad Max. 2011-02-08 09:20:45 gsf ndushay: ok that makes sense 2011-02-08 09:20:50 ndushay bun warmers for the chuck fest! 2011-02-08 09:20:58 BigD gluejar: And cookies 2011-02-08 09:21:02 anna3lc pberry: was monopoly a suggestion? b/c it is the ultimate buzzkill i think that may work for me. 2011-02-08 09:21:06 pmurray pmurray wonders what percentage of code4lib attendees is affiliated with higher ed? 2011-02-08 09:21:12 BillDueber Go bankrupt 2011-02-08 09:21:17 maxxkrakoa cookies++ 2011-02-08 09:21:24 MrDys- | there's a big assumption about academia and the audience for this talk 2011-02-08 09:21:28 ndushay no free parking at a university central campus 2011-02-08 09:21:29 jrochkind and who would want that? 2011-02-08 09:21:39 timmcgeary I like Brad Wheeler, but this might be wrong context for this talk 2011-02-08 09:21:43 BigD I'm so hungover that the scrolling irc is making me car sick 2011-02-08 09:21:55 ndushay he only has one talk that he uses for every occasion 2011-02-08 09:22:04 jrochkind surprising that we don't like the keynote since we voted for it.... or wait. 2011-02-08 09:22:09 anna3lc BigD: have you seen the google underwater adventure yet? 2011-02-08 09:22:10 gsf BigD: just pretend you're slowly falling past a wall of text 2011-02-08 09:22:11 BillDueber BillDueber , seconds ago, finally made good on a threat and registered hottietrust.com 2011-02-08 09:22:12 ndushay this isn't the keynote. 2011-02-08 09:22:13 jaf jrochkind++ 2011-02-08 09:22:22 decasm_ de facto keynote 2011-02-08 09:22:26 ndushay BillDueber++ 2011-02-08 09:22:27 jstirnaman and girls? 2011-02-08 09:22:31 timmcgeary ndushay: not quite true, but close 2011-02-08 09:22:34 ejk merit++ 2011-02-08 09:22:37 akorphan Memo to self: northern midwest is right out 2011-02-08 09:22:40 gluejar looks like wyoming is safe 2011-02-08 09:22:41 jrochkind BillDueber++ 2011-02-08 09:22:43 pberry Woo Chico! 2011-02-08 09:22:46 lbjay BigD: are you sitting near robcaSSon? just in case? 2011-02-08 09:22:49 jrochkind someone must protet the hathi's. 2011-02-08 09:22:58 timmcgeary if anyone likes this topic, read the book DIY U 2011-02-08 09:22:59 akorphan internet2: electric boogaloo 2011-02-08 09:22:59 ndushay jrochkind++ 2011-02-08 09:23:02 anarchivist @ana bugtussle 2011-02-08 09:23:03 zoia anarchivist: Slug tubes 2011-02-08 09:23:10 timmcgeary jrochkind++ 2011-02-08 09:23:10 mbklein lbjay++ 2011-02-08 09:23:13 ndushay @ana unprecedented 2011-02-08 09:23:13 zoia ndushay: Untended creep 2011-02-08 09:23:17 ejk Can I use it to stream netflix? 2011-02-08 09:23:20 BigD lbjay: Nope, rfrick. And she'll kick my butt 2011-02-08 09:23:22 eby @Hussein light that fiber up 2011-02-08 09:23:24 zoia eby: Hes the pitiful thug brains 2011-02-08 09:23:54 ndushay look! white middle-aged men in ties! 2011-02-08 09:23:54 BillDueber ejk++ 2011-02-08 09:23:59 mbklein BigD: Just lie down in the aisle and close your eyes. No one will notice. 2011-02-08 09:24:03 danwho Great- thanks all. Now i just see Kevin Spacey 2011-02-08 09:24:23 BigD I need a blankie 2011-02-08 09:24:24 fowbar macaroni solutions 2011-02-08 09:24:32 BillDueber It this turns into an alter call, I'm leaving. 2011-02-08 09:24:32 tingletech Macro Services! 2011-02-08 09:24:41 akorphan Macro solutions? So, like, solutions based on application-based interface scripting? 2011-02-08 09:24:42 mbklein @who will tuck BigD in so he can go night-night? 2011-02-08 09:24:42 zoia wickr will tuck BigD in so he can go night-night. 2011-02-08 09:24:44 jrochkind what is a "genuine volitional dependency"? 2011-02-08 09:24:44 BillDueber BigD: you need hair of the dog, dude 2011-02-08 09:24:46 ndushay "who will be SAVED???" 2011-02-08 09:24:48 pberry What kind of scale? 2011-02-08 09:24:52 tokeee Macaroni Solutions - We make spaghetti code 2011-02-08 09:24:57 paulalbert Macro solutions == fascism 2011-02-08 09:25:00 ndushay tokeee++ 2011-02-08 09:25:06 pmurray @google volitional 2011-02-08 09:25:07 zoia pmurray: Volition | Define Volition at Dictionary.com: ; volitional - definition of volitional by the Free Online ...: ; Volitional - Definition and More from the Free Merriam-Webster ...: ; Volition (psychology) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: (2 more messages) 2011-02-08 09:25:07 BillDueber jrochkind: It's less fake than a false colitional dependency 2011-02-08 09:25:08 mbklein BigD: Hear that? He said BIG BUCKET. 2011-02-08 09:25:10 atz bucket++ 2011-02-08 09:25:12 ejk big_bucket++ 2011-02-08 09:25:12 ndushay @ana big bucket 2011-02-08 09:25:12 zoia ndushay: Be tick bug 2011-02-08 09:25:16 timmcgeary I have a bucket list - does that count? 2011-02-08 09:25:18 anna3lc lolrus++ 2011-02-08 09:25:19 MrDys- | fascism can work in academia 2011-02-08 09:25:22 akorphan Wait, I thought federated search was over? 2011-02-08 09:25:26 pberry Federation...here comes Shib 2011-02-08 09:25:27 ecorrado ecorrado wishes they had macro amounts of coffee this morning! 2011-02-08 09:25:29 escowles you mean academics should start working together over the internet? that'll never happen... 2011-02-08 09:25:33 sibylschaefer Nooooo they be stealin' my Bucket 2011-02-08 09:25:36 fowbar i'm overdosed on management speak 2011-02-08 09:25:41 gsf acrlrus 2011-02-08 09:25:50 ndushay @ana volitional dependency 2011-02-08 09:25:50 gluejar macrocoffee++ 2011-02-08 09:25:51 zoia ndushay: Connivently dope ideal 2011-02-08 09:25:56 ejk uh-oh, first streaming hiccup 2011-02-08 09:26:01 BigD Who took ma bucket? 2011-02-08 09:26:08 decasm_ ... dependency ... on alcohol 2011-02-08 09:26:10 akorphan NO! They be stealing my bucket! 2011-02-08 09:26:12 MrDys- | gol' danger 2011-02-08 09:26:13 BigD He's very folksy 2011-02-08 09:26:19 druthb bigger_buckets++ 2011-02-08 09:26:20 danwho Dab nabbit! 2011-02-08 09:26:20 ndushay I will be SAVED! 2011-02-08 09:26:21 BillDueber There's no market for this vision. Schools aren't set up to education; they're set up to sort. If they were set up to education, they wouldn't just give a kid a C- and move on. 2011-02-08 09:26:22 akorphan NO IT ARE MY BIRTHDAY 2011-02-08 09:26:25 maxxkrakoa You know it 2011-02-08 09:26:28 gsf BigD: that's just this character 2011-02-08 09:26:38 atz "a bucket in every pot" 2011-02-08 09:26:41 jrochkind BillDueber: nope, still wrong, they're set up to make money. 2011-02-08 09:26:43 BillDueber "Set up to education"??? What the hell. I'm not even drunk. 2011-02-08 09:26:48 atz "no, the SAME bucket in every pot" 2011-02-08 09:26:52 mbklein BillDueber: Jaded much? 2011-02-08 09:26:56 akorphan Yo dawg, I heard you like buckets, so I put a bucket in your bucket so you can bucket while you bucket. 2011-02-08 09:27:00 decasm_ BillDueber: maybe you should get drunk 2011-02-08 09:27:13 pberry That's calling the bucket ... Wait 2011-02-08 09:27:16 gsf lotus_notes++ ahead of its time 2011-02-08 09:27:16 mbklein That's SDSC's mainframe! 2011-02-08 09:27:21 BillDueber decasm: I'm going to assume you're a medical doctor and take that as a prescription. 2011-02-08 09:27:25 ndushay passing the stoli to BillDueber ... 2011-02-08 09:27:37 pberry Lotus_notes-- 2011-02-08 09:27:44 BigD Lotus notes is the debil 2011-02-08 09:27:45 MrDys- | visionary. lotus notes. 2011-02-08 09:27:47 akorphan Is the campus running lotus notes supposed to be an example of a success or a failure? 2011-02-08 09:27:52 decasm_ sometimes i get my prescibes mixed up with my proscribes 2011-02-08 09:27:53 anna3lc anna3lc predicts that the data center tour is just going to be a giant room with a huge bucket inside 2011-02-08 09:28:00 mbklein anna3lc++ 2011-02-08 09:28:02 escowles not my fourth-grade daughter 2011-02-08 09:28:04 ejk anna3lc++ 2011-02-08 09:28:07 BillDueber Trivia: IU Computer Science was the seventh site on the WWW, as measured by it's place on the XMosaic menu 2011-02-08 09:28:08 mbklein MOAR BUCKITS 2011-02-08 09:28:10 yo_bj Will it be a blue bucket? 2011-02-08 09:28:10 gluejar let's all say it! 2011-02-08 09:28:12 fowbar smack me first 2011-02-08 09:28:12 BigD It came from Plato notes. Uiuc ftw 2011-02-08 09:28:13 ranti anna31c++ 2011-02-08 09:28:14 sibylschaefer please do not smack my hand 2011-02-08 09:28:15 jaf what, no one's made a joke about the bucket list yet? 2011-02-08 09:28:21 BillDueber BillDueber helped write the server, way back in 1992 2011-02-08 09:28:29 ranti anna3lc++ 2011-02-08 09:28:30 atz jaf: actually, there was one 2011-02-08 09:28:30 mbklein Isn't "scale" that stuff that builds up on the inside of the bucket? 2011-02-08 09:28:31 danwho anna3lc ++ 2011-02-08 09:28:34 BillDueber So all you damn kids get off my lawn. 2011-02-08 09:28:36 timmcgeary I don't want to get slapped by Dr. Wheeler 2011-02-08 09:28:52 akorphan I PICK LEFT! LEFT! 2011-02-08 09:28:55 MrDys- | Wheels. Wheelie. 2011-02-08 09:29:03 fowbar just think of it as getting smacked by Kevin Spacey 2011-02-08 09:29:05 ranti define cheaper 2011-02-08 09:29:07 jaf what, no one's made a *good* joke about the bucket list yet? :-p 2011-02-08 09:29:09 akorphan define better 2011-02-08 09:29:12 BillDueber define better 2011-02-08 09:29:14 BillDueber akorphan++ 2011-02-08 09:29:16 jrochkind my milkshake is cheaper and better than yours. 2011-02-08 09:29:21 mbklein @ana TO THE CLOUD 2011-02-08 09:29:21 zoia mbklein: Touched lot 2011-02-08 09:29:24 BillDueber jrochkind: Yeah, but you already ate it. 2011-02-08 09:29:27 ranti jrochkind++ 2011-02-08 09:29:30 akorphan jbrockhind brings all the boys to the yard 2011-02-08 09:29:33 BigD Get them!!! 2011-02-08 09:29:34 akorphan err, jrochkind 2011-02-08 09:29:49 BillDueber "announced the possibility" 2011-02-08 09:29:51 mbklein Mmm…scalable milkshake... 2011-02-08 09:30:04 BigD Cloudy milkshake 2011-02-08 09:30:06 akorphan i would like one milkshake in a bucket please. 2011-02-08 09:30:10 timmcgeary BigD-- 2011-02-08 09:30:11 mbklein robcaSSon is a big fan of the New NORML 2011-02-08 09:30:13 gluejar Where are the kindergartners that Vice President Wheeler talking to? 2011-02-08 09:30:13 lbjay @praise search yard 2011-02-08 09:30:13 freqlurker when did provosts mandates become the new normal? that was the old normal 2011-02-08 09:30:14 zoia lbjay: No matching praises were found. 2011-02-08 09:30:18 BillDueber There's a new ice cream place right down the block. May have to go. 2011-02-08 09:30:20 maxxkrakoa Can I get that milkshake in Trenta size? 2011-02-08 09:30:25 lbjay @praise add $who brings all the boys to the yard 2011-02-08 09:30:25 zoia lbjay: The operation succeeded. Praise #50 added. 2011-02-08 09:30:34 pberry Web scale milkshakes 2011-02-08 09:30:37 ranti trenta-- 2011-02-08 09:30:37 atz "We have determined, after a preliminary investigation and a following feasibility study, that indeed the *possibility* exists..." 2011-02-08 09:30:41 BillDueber "Trenta" sounds like a Chevy model. 2011-02-08 09:30:54 timmcgeary BillDueber: organize a milkshake break? 2011-02-08 09:30:57 BillDueber Who cares where it is? I can get ILL in 46 hours. 2011-02-08 09:30:59 anarchivist @who is big boy mac? 2011-02-08 09:30:59 fowbar it's a cloudiness day outside 2011-02-08 09:31:00 zoia decasm is big boy mac. 2011-02-08 09:31:00 jaron does command and control from the top really speak well to the c4l crowd? 2011-02-08 09:31:04 freqlurker and when did cloudiness become a tech term? 2011-02-08 09:31:06 maxxkrakoa cloudiness? cloudish? 2011-02-08 09:31:08 sibylschaefer oh yes, I have a big boy sitting under my desk 2011-02-08 09:31:09 MrDys- | this talk: do not want 2011-02-08 09:31:09 BigD Why's he looking under my desk? 2011-02-08 09:31:10 escowles i still want it in my pocket... 2011-02-08 09:31:12 jrochkind freqlurker: it never did. 2011-02-08 09:31:14 gsf cloudesque 2011-02-08 09:31:17 decasm_ cloudy with a chance of hype 2011-02-08 09:31:17 ranti may tensions here... I'm tired already. 2011-02-08 09:31:17 tokeee Desperate dane here, eager to experience american culture: Where can I get a Trenta? 2011-02-08 09:31:18 mlevy truthiness 2011-02-08 09:31:21 helrond sibylschaefer ++ 2011-02-08 09:31:26 anarchivist @quote add < sibylschaefer> oh yes, I have a big boy sitting under my desk 2011-02-08 09:31:26 zoia anarchivist: The operation succeeded. Quote #2505 added. 2011-02-08 09:31:29 anna3lc at the end of this talk we all get massages 2011-02-08 09:31:36 mbklein sibylschaefer++ 2011-02-08 09:31:36 timmcgeary truthiness++ 2011-02-08 09:31:36 BillDueber HathiTrust is a cloud service. Write a query against the established API, and we'll give you...well, pretty much nothing, because it's in copyright. 2011-02-08 09:31:37 ndushay did he just say "God's way"???? 2011-02-08 09:31:40 danwho Hallelujah! 2011-02-08 09:31:40 akorphan localness vs cloudiness is a false dichotomy 2011-02-08 09:31:41 jstirnaman don't forget "big girl" macs 2011-02-08 09:31:42 druthb he did! 2011-02-08 09:31:45 ndushay oh right - I'm in Indiana 2011-02-08 09:31:45 jrochkind 'cloud service' dont' mean nothing. 2011-02-08 09:31:46 maccabee_ flying_spaghetti_monster's_way++ 2011-02-08 09:31:46 fowbar code is self-aware? 2011-02-08 09:31:54 ndushay maccabee++ 2011-02-08 09:32:02 pberry fowbar: Skynet 2011-02-08 09:32:05 escowles holy false dichotomy, mr. vice president 2011-02-08 09:32:05 bess BillDueber++ :) 2011-02-08 09:32:07 akorphan maccabee_ is a big boy mac 2011-02-08 09:32:10 akorphan i guess? 2011-02-08 09:32:11 jstroop ndushay++ 2011-02-08 09:32:13 akorphan he's kinda tall 2011-02-08 09:32:14 fowbar I wrote Skynet for UBC 2011-02-08 09:32:14 druthb proprietary_commercial_models -- 2011-02-08 09:32:26 jrochkind true enough 2011-02-08 09:32:30 anarchivist @ana anti-capitalist anarchivist 2011-02-08 09:32:30 freqlurker can the acceleration of cloud services from an exciting idea to a tired one be measured? 2011-02-08 09:32:32 zoia anarchivist: This vital, satanic patrician 2011-02-08 09:32:34 BillDueber my code is all self-aware, but it can't communicate so no one but me knows. 2011-02-08 09:32:42 akorphan CYBERINFRASTRUCTURE COLOR WHEEL 2011-02-08 09:32:42 ndushay if there are three tensions, why am I finding this talk dull? 2011-02-08 09:32:48 charper Hathi runs on two machines, right? Not really cloud... 2011-02-08 09:32:50 decasm_ yo dawg, i heard you like dichotomies 2011-02-08 09:32:55 jaron it's all cloudy to me 2011-02-08 09:32:55 pberry Wait, what was tension 2 2011-02-08 09:32:59 atz actually, i feel like the job of academics is to force proprietary companies further and further into niches and fringes.... 2011-02-08 09:33:02 BigD abarrera: Is such a big boy, he can't fit under a desk 2011-02-08 09:33:03 sekjal great, now we're all going to die in 2 weeks 2011-02-08 09:33:03 mbklein decasm++ 2011-02-08 09:33:04 ecorrado ecorrado likes this talk 2011-02-08 09:33:07 ndushay okay, I *totally* think he only gives one speech. 2011-02-08 09:33:09 BillDueber I bet the answer is "Lots of money 2011-02-08 09:33:14 paulalbert Far Side rip off 2011-02-08 09:33:16 mbklein sekjal++ took me a minute. 2011-02-08 09:33:17 akorphan ndushay: you've seen this before?> 2011-02-08 09:33:18 timmcgeary he stole my 10th slide 2011-02-08 09:33:18 ejk pberry: locality vs cloudiness 2011-02-08 09:33:24 jstirnaman buckets are the miracle 2011-02-08 09:33:24 timmcgeary well, almost 2011-02-08 09:33:29 atz the general purpose software that everybody needs should be OPEN 2011-02-08 09:33:31 akorphan It's locally cloudy in Bloomingotn 2011-02-08 09:33:36 ndushay akorphan: no, i think the talk is to the wrong audience 2011-02-08 09:33:39 MrDys- | time keeps on slipping slipping slipping 2011-02-08 09:33:40 anarchivist yo dawg, i heard you like crowds and clouds, so we could put a crowd in the cloud in a cloud so you can crowd in a cloud in a cloud 2011-02-08 09:33:41 lbjay WARNING: channel is logged and will be available for easy browsing post-conf 2011-02-08 09:33:43 abarrera BigD: is such a big boy, he can't fit into the office 2011-02-08 09:33:45 danwho Am I being converted? I can't tell anymore 2011-02-08 09:33:48 mbklein Wow, I forgot how hard it is to actually speak in front of…you know...us. 2011-02-08 09:33:48 BillDueber I think that was a laugh line... 2011-02-08 09:33:50 decasm_ lbjay++ 2011-02-08 09:33:53 jrochkind anarchivist++ 2011-02-08 09:33:54 ecorrado ir is always locally cloudy in Binghamton 2011-02-08 09:33:54 fowbar What's a Meta University? Terry Pratchett.... 2011-02-08 09:33:56 anarchivist @ana bob's big boy 2011-02-08 09:33:57 zoia anarchivist: By big boobs 2011-02-08 09:34:01 anarchivist zoia-- 2011-02-08 09:34:02 BillDueber mbklein++ # tough audience 2011-02-08 09:34:03 lbjay zoia+- 2011-02-08 09:34:03 escowles did he just say the aughts were a good decade? 2011-02-08 09:34:10 mbklein I love this channel, but let we suck as an audience. 2011-02-08 09:34:14 akorphan I miss the 90s. 2011-02-08 09:34:24 ndushay we're a tough crowd, no doubt 2011-02-08 09:34:24 mbklein s/let/let's face it -/ 2011-02-08 09:34:25 atz mbklein: we do suck 2011-02-08 09:34:26 fowbar unseen-university 2011-02-08 09:34:26 anarchivist @translationparty A quick reminder that the next meeting of the Drinking ARchivists and LIbrarians Neighborly Gathering (DARLING) will take place today at 5:30 p.m., at Anna Liffey's. 2011-02-08 09:34:26 BillDueber mbklein: Actually, it's hard to talk in front of us for more than 15mn. So people shouldn't. Esp. when it's a stealth, un-voted-on keynote. 2011-02-08 09:34:29 decasm_ decasm_ /whisper lbjay is a big stupid poopy head 2011-02-08 09:34:30 ndushay I can take it. 2011-02-08 09:34:37 jrochkind @dunno add yo dawg, i heard you like crowds and clouds, so we could put a crowd in the cloud in a cloud so you can crowd in a cloud in a cloud 2011-02-08 09:34:38 zoia jrochkind: The operation succeeded. Dunno #1116 added. 2011-02-08 09:34:44 ndushay ok, now he's on topic 2011-02-08 09:34:48 lbjay jrochkind++ 2011-02-08 09:34:55 mbklein BillDueber has a point. 2011-02-08 09:35:04 timmcgeary Coming up next: VH1 Best of the Aughts, "It's my book in a box." 2011-02-08 09:35:07 anarchivist @decide kuali or koala 2011-02-08 09:35:07 zoia anarchivist: go with koala 2011-02-08 09:35:10 jrochkind and you wouldn't want to if you could 2011-02-08 09:35:17 akorphan OLE! 2011-02-08 09:35:19 jrochkind but he can 2011-02-08 09:35:21 mbklein Only one of those projects actually leads to better trust among hotties. 2011-02-08 09:35:24 ndushay I don't think Diane Hiillmann has any idea how tough we are. 2011-02-08 09:35:29 timmcgeary seriously, where is OLE? 2011-02-08 09:35:31 ranti brain synchronization is hard, yo, for those big projects to collaborate together... 2011-02-08 09:35:31 akorphan akorphan finds his castanets 2011-02-08 09:35:32 eby Sakai-- 2011-02-08 09:35:33 ndushay koala trust? 2011-02-08 09:35:36 MrDys- | kuali is enterprise scale 2011-02-08 09:35:40 anarchivist ndushay: diane's pretty tough, so i think she can handle it 2011-02-08 09:35:42 davidWalker live_stream++ 2011-02-08 09:35:43 jaron @takify kuali ole 2011-02-08 09:35:44 zoia Ǩ Ǔ Ā Ŀ Ỉ   Ṑ Ḷ Ḝ 2011-02-08 09:35:44 BillDueber eby: compared to what? 2011-02-08 09:35:48 decasm_ sake++ 2011-02-08 09:35:52 jrochkind ndushay: diane's thing is gonna rock, I have no doubt. 2011-02-08 09:35:57 davidWalker waking_up_early-- 2011-02-08 09:36:00 anarchivist dhillmann++ 2011-02-08 09:36:01 BillDueber BillDueber is pulling out the second coke. 2011-02-08 09:36:01 ndushay anarchivist: believe me, i know. Diane and I go back to the NOTIS days. 2011-02-08 09:36:04 jrochkind better than we can? No! 2011-02-08 09:36:08 lbjay he who cast the first stone 2011-02-08 09:36:08 akorphan I am just going to hold tight until project names go back to being mnemonic 2011-02-08 09:36:08 zoia anarchivist: , Library Neibarigyazaringu The next meeting is Monday night's archivists (Darin) Annarifi 5:30, please the information is easy to please check it out. 2011-02-08 09:36:09 anarchivist @ana the NOTIS days 2011-02-08 09:36:10 zoia anarchivist: On this steady 2011-02-08 09:36:19 mbklein BillDueber++ double-barrel, my good man. 2011-02-08 09:36:29 anarchivist @dunno add please the information is easy to please check it out. 2011-02-08 09:36:29 zoia anarchivist: The operation succeeded. Dunno #1117 added. 2011-02-08 09:36:32 jaron and slow 2011-02-08 09:36:37 BigD Mmm, sausage 2011-02-08 09:36:38 ndushay has anyone found collaboration makes for expedient development? Oh wait - hydra. 2011-02-08 09:36:39 pmurray dhillman has to deal with cataloging fanatics, I think she can deal with us. 2011-02-08 09:36:42 atz "collaboration at scale" is actually a good premise 2011-02-08 09:36:44 timmcgeary Macro solutions > micro solutions > microsoft 2011-02-08 09:36:44 lbjay @ana The Gay Aughts 2011-02-08 09:36:45 zoia lbjay: The aghast guy 2011-02-08 09:36:46 mbklein @ana Library Neibarigyazaringu 2011-02-08 09:36:47 zoia mbklein: I rag brain brainier lazy guy 2011-02-08 09:36:58 jaron ndushay: is that macro collaboration? 2011-02-08 09:36:58 BillDueber dillman is three flavors of awesome. 2011-02-08 09:37:15 jrochkind ndushay: no. all my experience and observation says that you can't design good software by committee. 2011-02-08 09:37:30 danwho His underlining skills are impeccable 2011-02-08 09:37:32 pmurray BY THE WAY...is #code4lib being formally logged at this poing? 2011-02-08 09:37:35 jrochkind but you can collaborate to write good software, sure. like many open source examples. 2011-02-08 09:37:37 BillDueber michigan++ 2011-02-08 09:37:38 jrochkind pmurray: probably 2011-02-08 09:37:46 akorphan pmurray: the warning went up a few minutes ago 2011-02-08 09:37:46 atz bludgeon++ ! 2011-02-08 09:37:47 ecorrado ndushay: Rosetta is a good example of collobaration at scale that was expedient and successful 2011-02-08 09:37:51 pmurray s/poing/point/ 2011-02-08 09:37:51 jaron software through bludgeoning 2011-02-08 09:37:58 akorphan akorphan from lbjay 2011-02-08 09:38:07 timmcgeary planB-- 2011-02-08 09:38:14 akorphan but I think it's more or less always being logged, non? 2011-02-08 09:38:25 ndushay actually, successful collaboration is often two or more projects finding synchronicity after code exists 2011-02-08 09:38:37 BillDueber akorphan: By individuals, but not with an eye towards posting it somewhere. 2011-02-08 09:38:41 pmurray Don't say anything on #code4lib that you don't want published on the front page of the New York Times. 2011-02-08 09:38:46 MrDys- | this talk makes me slouchy in my seat 2011-02-08 09:38:50 BigD Mmm, sauce 2011-02-08 09:38:51 atz ndushay: or NOT forking/reinventing stuff that already exists 2011-02-08 09:38:58 edsu wow, i didn't know kevin spacey was keynoting code4lib 2011-02-08 09:38:59 BillDueber ndushay: Yeah, but there's something to be said for doing it from the outset. Playing big or going home, as it were. 2011-02-08 09:39:00 jrochkind ndushay: yes, agreed. or several people adding resources to a software product originally developed by a non-comittee visionary then others come in later. 2011-02-08 09:39:01 timmcgeary actually 698 2011-02-08 09:39:05 gluejar does anyone use kuali? 2011-02-08 09:39:06 ndushay oh heck - everyone knows I'm the nay-sayer. 2011-02-08 09:39:08 danwho akorphan: Its all on the jumbotron behind us 2011-02-08 09:39:10 timmcgeary we couldn't convince two people to come in off the street 2011-02-08 09:39:11 pberry Yo dawg, boards 2011-02-08 09:39:15 decasm_ is he selling collaboration to open source advocates? 2011-02-08 09:39:16 akorphan danwho: ACK 2011-02-08 09:39:21 edsu livestream++ 2011-02-08 09:39:22 BigD Sssh! Roberts here 2011-02-08 09:39:24 timmcgeary Is there a Jerry-tron here? 2011-02-08 09:39:28 jrochkind decasm: no. 2011-02-08 09:39:35 fowbar kevin spacey's secret sauce 2011-02-08 09:39:44 anarchivist @ana promiscuous software license 2011-02-08 09:39:44 timmcgeary boom chicka bow bow 2011-02-08 09:39:45 decasm_ jrochkind: ok. i'm only paying half attention. 2011-02-08 09:39:46 zoia anarchivist: Muciferous, topical worseness 2011-02-08 09:39:54 akorphan "will" all sign? 2011-02-08 09:40:00 danwho timmcgeary: It's in the cloud, maybe 2011-02-08 09:40:01 jstirnaman ears perk up at "promiscuous" 2011-02-08 09:40:06 sekjal software_as_a_slut? 2011-02-08 09:40:07 BillDueber decasm_: To be fair, there's not a hell of a lot of collaboration at anything but the lowest level, even within code4lib 2011-02-08 09:40:16 anarchivist @ana slutty EAD 2011-02-08 09:40:17 zoia anarchivist: Testy dual 2011-02-08 09:40:17 edsu @ana joe the plumber's financial solutions 2011-02-08 09:40:19 zoia edsu: Champion feeble journalists 2011-02-08 09:40:21 decasm_ BillDueber++ 2011-02-08 09:40:31 ecorrado ecorrado opens "Edward's WebScale Financial Solutions" 2011-02-08 09:40:32 mcdonald I like promiscuous software 2011-02-08 09:40:41 timmcgeary BillDueber++ 2011-02-08 09:40:44 helrond anarchivist: EAD gets around 2011-02-08 09:40:54 BillDueber What is the kuali licensse? 2011-02-08 09:40:55 timmcgeary helrond++ 2011-02-08 09:41:05 mbklein Is it written entirely by promiscuous coders? 2011-02-08 09:41:08 gsf even the gpl wouldn't stop them from doing that 2011-02-08 09:41:21 anarchivist mbklein: they need to make sure their tests are passing 2011-02-08 09:41:22 timmcgeary I think Kuali license is based on Apache license 2011-02-08 09:41:32 mcdonald Education. Community License based on apache 2011-02-08 09:41:34 gsf timmcgeary: he said as much, plus patent clause 2011-02-08 09:41:37 akorphan wait, how do you trick for-profit firms into giving away development? 2011-02-08 09:41:41 jrochkind which is very wise of them, welcoming commercial involvement. 2011-02-08 09:41:55 decasm_ http://www.ykombinator.com/ 2011-02-08 09:42:09 timmcgeary OLE wouldn't go anywhere w/o commercial involvement 2011-02-08 09:42:12 mcdonald http://www.opensource.org/licenses/ecl2.php 2011-02-08 09:42:27 jrochkind timmcgeary: OLE has commercial involvement? Cool. 2011-02-08 09:42:31 akorphan OLE! 2011-02-08 09:42:33 anna3lc this is an amazing deck for slideshow karaoke 2011-02-08 09:42:34 mbklein @who is the target audience for this talk? 2011-02-08 09:42:34 zoia will is the target audience for this talk. 2011-02-08 09:42:53 timmcgeary jrochkind: yes - coding started Feb 1. Tune in at 11:50 for more details... 2011-02-08 09:43:00 anarchivist anna3lc: what's slideshow karaoke 2011-02-08 09:43:03 anarchivist @who is like a virus? 2011-02-08 09:43:04 zoia phasefx2 is like a virus. 2011-02-08 09:43:07 pmurray @who is a bad collaborator? 2011-02-08 09:43:07 zoia thrind is a bad collaborator. 2011-02-08 09:43:09 ndushay I are a bad collaborator? 2011-02-08 09:43:14 jrochkind timmcgeary: what's the relationshp between 'coding started' and 'commercial invovlement'? Confused 2011-02-08 09:43:19 ecorrado there are tons of Open Source projects with huge ammounts of commercial development. Look at the breakdown of GNU/Linux committers 2011-02-08 09:43:19 timmcgeary Like a virus - re-mixed Madonna? 2011-02-08 09:43:25 pberry He's gonna rick roll us, isn't he? 2011-02-08 09:43:26 edsu where does kuali get $ from? sorry i'm just tuning in now 2011-02-08 09:43:35 anna3lc anarchivist: there may be a different name for it, but you get 5 min with a deck you've never seen and you have to entertain a crowd for some small amount of time. 2011-02-08 09:43:35 gsf edsu! 2011-02-08 09:43:38 edsu member dues? 2011-02-08 09:43:41 edsu gsf: :-) 2011-02-08 09:43:43 gugek each of the member institutions have to commit 2011-02-08 09:43:43 pberry edsu: Yup 2011-02-08 09:43:46 fowbar collaborate or get out 2011-02-08 09:43:48 akorphan Wasn't there a conference recently that had a slogan containing "declaration of interdependence" as a substring? 2011-02-08 09:43:59 mbklein anna3lc++ 2011-02-08 09:44:00 jrochkind what he is saying is true 2011-02-08 09:44:03 gugek also whatever grants the projects get 2011-02-08 09:44:16 jstirnaman macro-stratification 2011-02-08 09:44:19 gsf most of the open source projects i use started small and scaled up 2011-02-08 09:44:29 gsf or all? 2011-02-08 09:44:31 edsu pberry: and the projects get money from Mellon, etc? 2011-02-08 09:44:34 anarchivist anna3lc: sounds fun 2011-02-08 09:44:34 decasm_ spending_other_peoples_money++ 2011-02-08 09:44:36 freqlurker does he really want an answer? 2011-02-08 09:44:39 akorphan greetings tshearerlib 2011-02-08 09:44:40 anarchivist @ana repositoria con melon 2011-02-08 09:44:41 zoia anarchivist: Poetical, senior moron 2011-02-08 09:44:45 anarchivist zoia+ 2011-02-08 09:44:49 akorphan zoia++ 2011-02-08 09:44:50 jstirnaman zoia+ 2011-02-08 09:44:50 mbklein @ana other people's money 2011-02-08 09:44:51 zoia mbklein: Serenely Oomph poet 2011-02-08 09:44:52 jrochkind this is true 2011-02-08 09:44:56 pmurray edsu: Not any more, I think. Kuali is self-sustaining. 2011-02-08 09:45:07 charper When did scale become a noun in this context? 2011-02-08 09:45:08 edsu pmurray: how is it self sustaining? 2011-02-08 09:45:11 eby BillDueber: Just about anything else I've had to deal/develop with, but they were cleaning up the code at that point so maybe they've improved it 2011-02-08 09:45:14 mbklein "Vaya Con Mellon, MFer!" 2011-02-08 09:45:21 ejk checkmarks-- 2011-02-08 09:45:25 akorphan CYBERINFRASTRUCTURE COLOR WHEEL 2011-02-08 09:45:26 decasm_ tl;dr 2011-02-08 09:45:27 BigD edsu: Volume 2011-02-08 09:45:32 eby BillDueber: Ecourseware wise that is 2011-02-08 09:45:34 pmurray edsu: Members will contribute 10K to 100K per year. 2011-02-08 09:45:35 ejk "wake up" heh 2011-02-08 09:45:35 jrochkind obama? 2011-02-08 09:45:36 edsu BigD: it goes to 11? 2011-02-08 09:45:38 BillDueber "whomever you are." 2011-02-08 09:45:39 anna3lc i hope it's a fully connected graph this time 2011-02-08 09:45:41 anarchivist anarchivist shouldn't talk, he's sitting on papa mellon's lap most of the time 2011-02-08 09:45:45 anna3lc nope, just words in the circle. 2011-02-08 09:45:49 edsu pmurray: so where do the members get the money? 2011-02-08 09:45:54 gsf anna3lc: dag? 2011-02-08 09:45:55 pberry It begins with Time's person of the year 2011-02-08 09:45:57 maccabee_ if i had known it begins with ME i would have paid more attention... 2011-02-08 09:45:58 ecorrado wait, what if I am the Associate Deanof the library? 2011-02-08 09:45:59 BillDueber eby: I've dealt with the code, I know it's not good. But as an end user, I meant. I've not used other stuff. 2011-02-08 09:45:59 mbklein charper: I explained that earlier. It's "scale" in the sense of "undesirable calcium buildup in your pipes." 2011-02-08 09:46:03 pmurray edsu: Tuition? State subsidies? 2011-02-08 09:46:04 anna3lc gsf: I like cycles! 2011-02-08 09:46:09 mbklein charper: (and, presumably, your bucket) 2011-02-08 09:46:09 ndushay no, no. let's build our own book browser. 2011-02-08 09:46:10 bmljenny Personal behaviors about being lightweight? 2011-02-08 09:46:11 jstirnaman golocal wasn't easy. it faild 2011-02-08 09:46:14 ndushay and our own image browser. 2011-02-08 09:46:18 MrDys- | such condescension. 2011-02-08 09:46:19 charper mbklein: gotit - lining the bucket. 2011-02-08 09:46:24 edsu the shit is already macro at scale 2011-02-08 09:46:28 decasm_ but ... it was invented here!!! 2011-02-08 09:46:36 decasm_ s/was/wasn't/ 2011-02-08 09:46:37 mbklein @quote add if i had known it begins with ME i would have paid more attention... 2011-02-08 09:46:38 zoia mbklein: The operation succeeded. Quote #2506 added. 2011-02-08 09:46:41 timmcgeary_ got booted again 2011-02-08 09:46:42 jrochkind he is making good points. 2011-02-08 09:46:42 fowbar coordinate your personal behaviors 2011-02-08 09:46:47 eby BillDueber: Well unfortunately anything that can let the professors customize goes downhill quick for students 2011-02-08 09:46:50 bohyunkim Kuali used to be funded by Carneige Mellon Grant but now probably by participating institutions... I think 2011-02-08 09:46:55 bmljenny here it comes 2011-02-08 09:46:55 druthb condecension? i don't think so. It's an unfortunate truth of IT management, having to put up with some uber-nerd who does not play well with others. 2011-02-08 09:46:57 BillDueber MrDys-: I honestly don't think so. I think he just misjudged both the political savvy and the bitterness of the crowd. 2011-02-08 09:47:04 timmcgeary_ jrochkind: he is making good points 2011-02-08 09:47:04 druthb Some of my most-painful projects have involved such beings. 2011-02-08 09:47:05 ndushay i was there, but I wasn't paying attention. 2011-02-08 09:47:06 anarchivist @sing the klf : 3am eternal 2011-02-08 09:47:08 zoia anarchivist: No lyrics found for 3am eternal by the klf 2011-02-08 09:47:10 jrochkind if admins like him are realizing that you need light-weight organizations without overbearing beurocratic 'coordination', then things are getting better. 2011-02-08 09:47:17 gsf oof 2011-02-08 09:47:18 edsu hahaha 2011-02-08 09:47:20 anarchivist @sing the klf : 3 am eternal 2011-02-08 09:47:21 zoia anarchivist: No lyrics found for 3 am eternal by the klf 2011-02-08 09:47:25 akorphan zoia-- 2011-02-08 09:47:26 ecorrado BradWheeler++ 2011-02-08 09:47:27 anarchivist anarchivist only does toy projects. 2011-02-08 09:47:29 BillDueber tough_love++ 2011-02-08 09:47:32 timmcgeary_ BradWheeler++ 2011-02-08 09:47:34 eby @decide sit here or watch stream in hospitality suite 2011-02-08 09:47:35 zoia eby: go with sit here 2011-02-08 09:47:41 anna3lc i think we are the brunt of his "get stuff without paying money" 2011-02-08 09:47:46 tingletech we just need bigger toys 2011-02-08 09:47:51 jrochkind this is true as well 2011-02-08 09:47:52 anarchivist i mean, honestly, kuali rice is not going to help me do my job 2011-02-08 09:47:57 BigD BigD puts away his toy iPad. 2011-02-08 09:47:58 charper He's making a *really* good point here. 2011-02-08 09:48:00 jstirnaman all projects start as someone's toy 2011-02-08 09:48:02 timmcgeary_ appropriate_beverages++ 2011-02-08 09:48:06 decasm_ @ana inappropriate beverages 2011-02-08 09:48:06 gsf if only linus had heard this we wouldn't have that pesky os 2011-02-08 09:48:07 zoia decasm_: Brave ego-trip in appeaser 2011-02-08 09:48:09 BillDueber BradWheeler++ 2011-02-08 09:48:09 gregjansen bigger toys! 2011-02-08 09:48:12 ejk appropriate_beverages++ 2011-02-08 09:48:16 mbklein I haven't seen an appropriate beverage since I got here. 2011-02-08 09:48:17 atz i'm still wating for kauli to impact something local to me 2011-02-08 09:48:18 gluejar Formal disorganization, not organization!!! 2011-02-08 09:48:18 BillDueber he should have started there. 2011-02-08 09:48:23 anarchivist @ana toys in the cloud 2011-02-08 09:48:23 zoia anarchivist: Toothily Dunces 2011-02-08 09:48:25 akorphan the K, the L, the F, and the -ology. 2011-02-08 09:48:26 danwho Harsh, but kinda true 2011-02-08 09:48:29 druthb atz++ 2011-02-08 09:48:30 ejk Cloud = drink 2011-02-08 09:48:43 akorphan quotation_slides-- 2011-02-08 09:48:48 pmurray BillDueber: Agreed. Should have started here. 2011-02-08 09:49:11 scolford @quote add I haven't seen an appropriate beverage since I got here. 2011-02-08 09:49:11 zoia scolford: Error: You must be registered to use this command. If you are already registered, you must either identify (using the identify command) or add a hostmask matching your current hostmask (using the "hostmask add" command). 2011-02-08 09:49:17 edsu building toys is pretty important imho 2011-02-08 09:49:23 jrochkind 5 minutes over 2011-02-08 09:49:25 mbklein edsu++ likewise 2011-02-08 09:49:26 sekjal collaboration is good. so is just hacking up something one night to fix a problem, and then putting it out there 2011-02-08 09:49:32 BillDueber mbklein: I can put another can of coke in my pants. 2011-02-08 09:49:33 ndushay toys are generally the first phase of something scalable. 2011-02-08 09:49:33 timmcgeary_ where's the bell? 2011-02-08 09:49:34 edsu if you can't build the toy, then you won't be able to build the big Enterprise Thingy 2011-02-08 09:49:47 gsf ndushay: agreed 2011-02-08 09:49:52 edsu You Are the Toy Engine! 2011-02-08 09:49:54 akorphan code4lib_pronounced_with_long_i-- 2011-02-08 09:49:56 atz ndushay: good thought. 2011-02-08 09:49:57 ejk WHAT'S IN THE BOX!?! 2011-02-08 09:49:59 abarrera he <3 code4libbers 2011-02-08 09:50:09 jrochkind edsu: yeah, but SO many library projects never get beyond toys. 2011-02-08 09:50:11 gsf abarrera1 2011-02-08 09:50:18 mbklein The personal computer started as a toy. So did the airplane. And the car. 2011-02-08 09:50:18 gregjansen willing to admit there are some things you cannot learn from the toy project 2011-02-08 09:50:24 gsf s/1/!/ 2011-02-08 09:50:25 ranti ndushay++ 2011-02-08 09:50:26 BillDueber ndushay: Toys show that a problem is solvable and worth solving, but they don't help with technical and administrative scaling. 2011-02-08 09:50:29 tshearerlib so many toys are nearly the same toy 2011-02-08 09:50:31 MrDys- | singular heart? 2011-02-08 09:50:39 fowbar code a macro solution so Dr wheeler can steal it 2011-02-08 09:50:42 escowles akorphan: do we work for libbraries? 2011-02-08 09:50:43 decasm_ code4lïb++ 2011-02-08 09:50:47 atz it's like all the car custom fabricators get started on motorcycles, after they got started on bikes 2011-02-08 09:50:48 ejk ejk claps 2011-02-08 09:50:49 danwho BillDueber: Totally 2011-02-08 09:50:53 maccabee_ i think his point is that toys/research are necessary but we're GOOD at that already. less good at scale. 2011-02-08 09:50:54 ndushay BillDueber: toys can sell the project 2011-02-08 09:50:56 anarchivist was he talking about visualbasic? 2011-02-08 09:51:02 druthb maccabee_++ 2011-02-08 09:51:03 bmljenny Quit 2011-02-08 09:51:10 akorphan escowles: no, but English doesn't readily permit a long-i pronunciation without the rest of the word there 2011-02-08 09:51:29 ejk buh bye 2011-02-08 09:51:34 edsu @quote get 1151 2011-02-08 09:51:35 zoia edsu: Quote #1151: " We care about doing what we want to do creatively. We want to be interested in it. We want it to challenge us. We want it to be difficult. We want to reinvent the stupid thing every time." (added by edsu at 02:18 PM, January 31, 2008) 2011-02-08 09:51:37 ejk buh bye now 2011-02-08 09:52:34 pberry can't be bothered to get up 2011-02-08 09:52:44 freqlurker same 2011-02-08 09:52:54 pmurray pmurray is going to try to get 10 minutes of real work done. 2011-02-08 09:53:17 edsu pmurray: what toy are you building now? 2011-02-08 09:53:52 eby @who 's toy is ohiolink 2011-02-08 09:53:53 zoia alxp 's toy is ohiolink. 2011-02-08 09:53:54 pmurray edsu: Heh -- "real work" == "email drudgery" in this case. 2011-02-08 09:57:58 edsu so diane is on next? 2011-02-08 09:58:28 pmurray edsu: Yep. 2011-02-08 09:58:38 pmurray edsu: In just a minute or two. 2011-02-08 09:59:15 dbs sounds like the OLE presentation was a hit 2011-02-08 09:59:49 edsu dbs: are you there? 2011-02-08 10:01:31 dbs edsu: i is not 2011-02-08 10:02:00 edsu dbs: me neither, you watching live stream? 2011-02-08 10:02:15 sesuncedu edsu: what is url for live stream? 2011-02-08 10:02:26 davidWalker sesuncedu: http://www.indiana.edu/~uits/code4lib/program/conference.php 2011-02-08 10:02:27 edsu http://www.indiana.edu/~uits/code4lib/program/sessions.php 2011-02-08 10:02:36 davidWalker it's very nice, I have to say 2011-02-08 10:02:38 dbs edsu: live stream? I was only watching IRC - didn't know about a live stream 2011-02-08 10:02:41 sesuncedu thanks 2011-02-08 10:02:42 edsu davidWalker: definitely 2011-02-08 10:02:45 edsu mcdonald++ 2011-02-08 10:02:50 ejk live_stream++ 2011-02-08 10:03:08 dbs dang, I'm going to get my secretary to clear my schedule for the next few days 2011-02-08 10:03:10 pberry That URL should go in the topic ;) 2011-02-08 10:03:15 timmcgeary ejk: been good quality? 2011-02-08 10:03:18 davidWalker dbs: you could have more fully appreciated the kevin spacey jokes 2011-02-08 10:03:35 ejk timmcgeary: yes, sound and picture both great 2011-02-08 10:03:37 dbs wow, archive URLs too, nice 2011-02-08 10:03:43 dbs mcdonald++ 2011-02-08 10:03:44 pberry He was a dead ringer...if a bit taller 2011-02-08 10:04:13 eefcee live_stream++ 2011-02-08 10:04:27 ejk @karma live_stream 2011-02-08 10:04:28 zoia ejk: Karma for "live_stream" has been increased 3 times and decreased 0 times for a total karma of 3. 2011-02-08 10:04:31 timmcgeary ejk: I need to get some f-specs done tonight for people to review over email. I'm meeting w/ core team Thurs AM 2011-02-08 10:05:07 eefcee timmcgeary: it's been good from MN too, I didn't even see the "glitch" referred to during the session 2011-02-08 10:05:12 ejk timmcgeary: sorry, what are "f-specs"? 2011-02-08 10:05:19 lbjay openoffice-- 2011-02-08 10:05:40 pberry Textmate++ 2011-02-08 10:05:42 timmcgeary ejk: oops - sorry - wrong person... 2011-02-08 10:05:55 ejk timmcgeary: no worries 2011-02-08 10:06:01 pberry pberry still refusing to check work email 2011-02-08 10:06:06 timmcgeary who turned the heat up in the auditorium? 2011-02-08 10:06:20 sesuncedu @who turned the heat up in the auditorium 2011-02-08 10:06:20 zoia dbs turned the heat up in the auditorium. 2011-02-08 10:06:21 akorphan lbjay: libre_office?? 2011-02-08 10:06:23 pberry timmcgeary: That's just the caffeine kicking in 2011-02-08 10:06:33 timmcgeary pberry: no caffeine yet today 2011-02-08 10:06:52 pberry So, is Wheeler supposed to be controversial or something? 2011-02-08 10:07:08 timmcgeary pberry: not necessarily - I think more motivational 2011-02-08 10:07:14 akorphan pberry: Not really sure. I felt a bit like I was a choir being preached to 2011-02-08 10:07:34 edsu pberry: i don't know but he should definitely talk to MrDys before he picks out a tie next time 2011-02-08 10:07:55 akorphan To me, it was one of those speeches that was like, "hey, here's the state of the problem, now let's solve it! go, go, go!" Except the problem isn't really solvable just by fiat. 2011-02-08 10:07:56 timmcgeary akorphan: he could have definitely drilled in more to our context 2011-02-08 10:08:02 pberry From my own perspective, it wasn't anything riot worthy 2011-02-08 10:08:31 pberry Speaking as one of only 2 web savvy people from my library 2011-02-08 10:08:31 edsu It seemed like i thinly shrouded: give me your grant money, and we can go places! 2011-02-08 10:08:43 sesuncedu Note that Fiat owns Ferrari. A lot of things are solvable by Ferrari. 2011-02-08 10:08:45 edsu s/i thinly/a thinly/ 2011-02-08 10:09:03 akorphan sesuncedu: who owns Lotus these days? 2011-02-08 10:09:17 pberry Or: agree on some things and save some money. Stop demanding to be a snowflake 2011-02-08 10:09:25 ejk We haven't switched streams yet, right? 2011-02-08 10:09:31 akorphan I AM A UNIQUE SNOWFLAKE 2011-02-08 10:09:36 sesuncedu akorphan: I think Lotus does 2011-02-08 10:09:39 sesuncedu Dianne/ 2011-02-08 10:09:40 timmcgeary ejk: same stream 2011-02-08 10:09:41 ejk There is it 2011-02-08 10:09:42 sesuncedu sounds different 2011-02-08 10:09:45 akorphan sesuncedu: That's refreshing. 2011-02-08 10:09:54 ejk s/is it/it is 2011-02-08 10:10:10 dan64 If someone from the organizing team is here, can we pls get the attendee list in electronic format? maybe as a google spreadsheet? 2011-02-08 10:10:48 scolford @quote add I haven't seen an appropriate beverage since I got here. 2011-02-08 10:10:48 zoia scolford: Error: You must be registered to use this command. If you are already registered, you must either identify (using the identify command) or add a hostmask matching your current hostmask (using the "hostmask add" command). 2011-02-08 10:11:01 fyodor so, programmers and catalogers, which one's the cat and which one's the dog? 2011-02-08 10:11:13 edsu rdhyee: :-D 2011-02-08 10:11:13 anarchivist dhillmann++ 2011-02-08 10:11:16 anarchivist dhillmann++ 2011-02-08 10:11:16 anarchivist dhillmann++ 2011-02-08 10:11:19 timmcgeary troublemaker++ 2011-02-08 10:11:20 anna3lc kittens_and_puppies++ 2011-02-08 10:11:43 charper code_cat_collab++ 2011-02-08 10:11:53 zoia I saw Lon Cheney Jr. walking down the street 2011-02-08 10:11:54 gsf currently 2am in Japan? 2011-02-08 10:11:57 anna3lc coders_and_catalogers++ 2011-02-08 10:11:57 timmcgeary "hot mic, hot mic" 2011-02-08 10:12:04 druthb ouchie! 2011-02-08 10:12:11 gsf no, midnight 2011-02-08 10:12:18 akorphan feedback-- 2011-02-08 10:12:27 timmcgeary ndushay++ 2011-02-08 10:12:33 ejk clueful_catalogers++ 2011-02-08 10:12:38 ecorrado ecorrado <3 /me 2011-02-08 10:12:40 Baroquem Those names look very familiar. 2011-02-08 10:12:44 pberry Imminent feedback from the mic 2011-02-08 10:12:53 pberry MOAR LOLCATS 2011-02-08 10:13:00 tokeee Somebody invent ont single working navigator for slides! 2011-02-08 10:13:02 anna3lc these slides are great i can't wait for the talk 2011-02-08 10:13:06 pberry windows-- 2011-02-08 10:13:06 sesuncedu Put a piece of cardboard over it 2011-02-08 10:13:09 eefcee windows-- 2011-02-08 10:13:12 zoia find / -name 'jrochkind' -exec chmod 0000 '{}' \; 2011-02-08 10:13:13 fumi windows-- 2011-02-08 10:13:17 decasm_ ctl-alt-del 2011-02-08 10:13:19 akorphan HAVE YOU TRIED TURNING IT OFF AND ON AGAIN? 2011-02-08 10:13:21 ecorrado Windows FAIL 2011-02-08 10:13:23 sesuncedu Need moar dongles 2011-02-08 10:13:25 timmcgeary windows-- 2011-02-08 10:13:30 dchud <3 jaf 2011-02-08 10:13:30 danwho MOVE 2011-02-08 10:13:39 ejk danwho++ 2011-02-08 10:13:46 edsu ❤ livestream 2011-02-08 10:13:48 gsf mcdonald++ 2011-02-08 10:13:48 tokeee Windows is fine. It runs the Wii emulator at high speed 2011-02-08 10:13:49 pberry Tech_support++ 2011-02-08 10:13:49 akorphan feedback-- 2011-02-08 10:13:51 csharp edsu: agreed 2011-02-08 10:13:55 anarchivist @isitcaturday? 2011-02-08 10:13:55 timmcgeary can you hear the feedback on the live stream? 2011-02-08 10:13:56 zoia anarchivist: did you know I can count to a vigintillion? 2011-02-08 10:13:58 dchud edsu: showoff 2011-02-08 10:14:01 ejk live_stream++ 2011-02-08 10:14:02 druthb cats or dogs? 2011-02-08 10:14:45 MrDys- | odd reverb in this room 2011-02-08 10:14:45 atz_ pretty much 2011-02-08 10:14:47 pmurray That was the year I was born! 2011-02-08 10:14:51 ndushay hmmm - I was 5. 2011-02-08 10:15:00 pberry Looks like CIA torture tools 2011-02-08 10:15:00 knickum that was many many years before i was born... 2011-02-08 10:15:01 sesuncedu Used for anthropodermic bibliopeggy 2011-02-08 10:15:07 timmcgeary pberry++ 2011-02-08 10:15:09 akorphan card... patens... 2011-02-08 10:15:13 akorphan err platens 2011-02-08 10:15:14 zoia bbpennel made mbklein do it 2011-02-08 10:15:15 akorphan ? 2011-02-08 10:15:16 mlevy those look like civil war medical devices 2011-02-08 10:15:18 atz_ archaic catalog tools ftw! 2011-02-08 10:15:20 ndushay anyone else own a card catalog? 2011-02-08 10:15:22 abarrera mjgiarlo was just a twinkle in BigD eyes 2011-02-08 10:15:22 druthb card keepers == swords. 2011-02-08 10:15:24 anarchivist ndushay: yep 2011-02-08 10:15:26 akorphan ndushay: jealous! 2011-02-08 10:15:31 maccabee what's a platen? quick -- who can research things? 2011-02-08 10:15:32 sesuncedu atz: Millennium? 2011-02-08 10:15:35 akorphan en garde! et la! 2011-02-08 10:15:43 sekjal ndushay: I own two 2011-02-08 10:15:46 akorphan maccabee: I know what a platen is in other contexts. 2011-02-08 10:15:49 gsf sesuncedu: zing! 2011-02-08 10:15:50 BigD abarrera: I was 4. Perv. 2011-02-08 10:15:51 decasm_ missing? you're right there. 2011-02-08 10:15:54 atz_ maccabee: i think it is a strut to fill in partially filled drawers 2011-02-08 10:15:55 pberry 1 year before Star Wars 2011-02-08 10:15:57 timmcgeary starting to feel young suddenly, despite my gray hair 2011-02-08 10:16:06 druthb me too, timmcgeary. 2011-02-08 10:16:10 freqlurker The Inquisition, whatta show 2011-02-08 10:16:17 atz_ maccabee: just guessing though 2011-02-08 10:16:19 lbjay windows-- 2011-02-08 10:16:23 druthb (and despite being the oldest being working at my company.) 2011-02-08 10:16:26 BigD abarrera: Btw, when are you due? 2011-02-08 10:16:26 pberry Can we get a slide intern to the stage? 2011-02-08 10:16:31 pmurray We need an open source slide system! 2011-02-08 10:16:31 timmcgeary druthb++ 2011-02-08 10:16:35 tokeee slide_controllers-- 2011-02-08 10:16:35 helrond can someone develop a toy to make this work? 2011-02-08 10:16:38 BillDueber If only there was someone here who knew how to use computers. 2011-02-08 10:16:41 danwho MOVE 2011-02-08 10:16:45 sesuncedu pmurray: It's called LaTeX 2011-02-08 10:16:48 maccabee helrond++ 2011-02-08 10:16:48 akorphan helrond: I think we need a collaborative, cloud-based solution 2011-02-08 10:16:48 abarrera BigD: next week, octodad! 2011-02-08 10:16:53 atz_ 45 seconds until plan B 2011-02-08 10:16:59 decasm_ helrond: no! leverage an existing toy! 2011-02-08 10:16:59 knickum feels like a toy project... 2011-02-08 10:17:00 pmurray sesuncedu: Actually, I thought it might have been HTML... 2011-02-08 10:17:01 ndushay i am soooo glad i'm presenting from my own computer 2011-02-08 10:17:05 pberry Heavy sigh 2011-02-08 10:17:06 druthb ltns, timmcgeary...last time was when we raised some hell in Detroit (that did no good at all), IIRC. 2011-02-08 10:17:06 mbklein1 TO THE CLOUD! 2011-02-08 10:17:12 timmcgeary atz_: we're at IU, there is no plan B 2011-02-08 10:17:13 sciversedev any opensocial coders? 2011-02-08 10:17:14 jrochkind gee, who would have thought you needed a computer that could show slides to have a conf? 2011-02-08 10:17:17 danwho atz_: and what's plan B? 2011-02-08 10:17:18 tokeee We want pretty pictures! 2011-02-08 10:17:21 decasm_ latex + beamer = awesome 2011-02-08 10:17:24 ndushay diane - tell them why you love me! 2011-02-08 10:17:33 jaron ndushay++ 2011-02-08 10:17:33 atz_ danwho: freesteeeeeeeeyle 2011-02-08 10:17:36 ecorrado windows... the ultimate example of a toy project gone bad at a macro level 2011-02-08 10:17:46 anna3lc punctuation-- 2011-02-08 10:17:46 akorphan MOAR LOLCATS 2011-02-08 10:17:46 ejk http://snltranscripts.jt.org/99/pics/99fnickburns.jpg 2011-02-08 10:17:50 akorphan lolcats__ 2011-02-08 10:17:55 akorphan lolcats++ 2011-02-08 10:17:59 sesuncedu Real MARC does its own punctuation 2011-02-08 10:18:03 ndushay randomize the slides! 2011-02-08 10:18:15 timmcgeary insert catalogers w/ personality joke here 2011-02-08 10:18:17 lbjay dhillmann++ # totally rolling with it 2011-02-08 10:18:17 akorphan ndushay: ISBD-punctuate the slides! 2011-02-08 10:18:17 BillDueber In Soviet Russia...they don't so much use MARC, so it doesn't matter. 2011-02-08 10:18:25 druthb Testing_before_go-live++ 2011-02-08 10:18:26 atz_ "that kind of person" 2011-02-08 10:18:27 MrDys- | code4food 2011-02-08 10:18:30 csharp heh 2011-02-08 10:18:30 pberry Code4food? 2011-02-08 10:18:31 ranti she's an aswesome troublesome cataloger #diane_hillmann 2011-02-08 10:18:35 anna3lc anna3lc hopes slide committee will do a backup dance routine later 2011-02-08 10:18:36 anarchivist mcdonald++ 2011-02-08 10:18:37 BillDueber I'm not sure it's obvious that wasn't a real cataloger. 2011-02-08 10:18:37 anarchivist iu++ 2011-02-08 10:18:44 decasm_ always, always, always be ready to just talk, sans slides. 2011-02-08 10:18:45 timmcgeary mcdonald++ / to the rescue again 2011-02-08 10:18:45 ndushay how many techies does it take to get a windows machine to do slides properly? 2011-02-08 10:18:47 anarchivist @who is a closet cataloger? 2011-02-08 10:18:48 zoia ranti is a closet cataloger. 2011-02-08 10:18:50 akorphan This catalog card has gone all pear-shaped 2011-02-08 10:18:53 mbklein1 HTML5_slides++ http://slides.html5rocks.com/#landing-slide 2011-02-08 10:18:56 skoczko what was wrong with that amchine? 2011-02-08 10:19:00 pberry I'm not saying I was born in '73 2011-02-08 10:19:01 lbjay @who is a cataloger's cataloger? 2011-02-08 10:19:02 zoia bmljenny is a cataloger's cataloger. 2011-02-08 10:19:03 ndushay i'm not a cataloger, but I could play one on tv. 2011-02-08 10:19:14 pberry But I'm not not saying that 2011-02-08 10:19:21 timmcgeary not i 2011-02-08 10:19:24 anarchivist @who is a cataloger's man? 2011-02-08 10:19:24 zoia eby is a cataloger's man. 2011-02-08 10:19:25 eefcee hand up 2011-02-08 10:19:28 gsf old people raise hands now 2011-02-08 10:19:29 dchud i feel old now 2011-02-08 10:19:31 freqlurker oldies represent 2011-02-08 10:19:31 knickum linux or windows techies? linux = 1, just run it on linux; windows = ??, jiggle the cord? 2011-02-08 10:19:32 escowles ndushay: just one if the slide is steep enough 2011-02-08 10:19:32 abarrera old_people-- 2011-02-08 10:19:36 jaf jaf feels old 2011-02-08 10:19:39 ndushay aging-- 2011-02-08 10:19:39 BillDueber 1969, dude. Mere hours before htey landed on the moon 2011-02-08 10:19:40 archivist archivist circa 1952 2011-02-08 10:19:41 BigD abarrera ate 1973 2011-02-08 10:19:47 dchud jaf: you *are* old 2011-02-08 10:19:55 sekjal sekjal wonders if he's the youngest person in the room.... hopefully that phase of his life is wrapping up 2011-02-08 10:19:57 ndushay anarchivist: c1952 or c. 1952 2011-02-08 10:19:58 jaf dchud: yep 2011-02-08 10:20:02 abarrera BigD wasn't born, old man 2011-02-08 10:20:04 skoczko how many people were born after 1980? 2011-02-08 10:20:05 druthb druthb circa 1968. My sister was born a day after you, BillDueber. 2011-02-08 10:20:06 pberry Let the ageism begin! 2011-02-08 10:20:08 dchud dchud nods knowingly 2011-02-08 10:20:10 gluejar eisenhower administration++ 2011-02-08 10:20:11 BillDueber Once we learn what they know, we can fire their asses 2011-02-08 10:20:20 akorphan akorphan emerged fully formed from someone's forehead. 2011-02-08 10:20:21 mbklein1 I woke up on the morning of my 37th birthday and said aloud, "I'm 37! I'm not old!" My wife, bless her, correctly responded, "Well, I couldn't just say 'Man.'" 2011-02-08 10:20:24 MrDys- | post-1980 here 2011-02-08 10:20:28 archivist dont be cheeky to your elders! 2011-02-08 10:20:28 sekjal skoczko: here, too 2011-02-08 10:20:30 atz_ BillDueber: if they live that long. 2011-02-08 10:20:31 BillDueber BillDueber feels left out 2011-02-08 10:20:35 mbklein1 MrDys-: Get off my lawn. 2011-02-08 10:20:37 BigD Everyone else sucks. 2011-02-08 10:20:40 sesuncedu On my 37th birthday, I went to see clerks 2 2011-02-08 10:20:41 ndushay I don't remember how to do math. 2011-02-08 10:20:42 anarchivist ndushay++ 2011-02-08 10:20:50 ndushay I do remember I met diane over marc 590 fields 2011-02-08 10:20:57 rsinger BillDueber: http://rubygems.org/gems/rdf-threadsafe 2011-02-08 10:20:59 ndushay but i'm glad I don't remember what was in those fields. 2011-02-08 10:21:03 anarchivist @who will feel the wrath of jeffrey beall? 2011-02-08 10:21:04 zoia dbucknum will feel the wrath of jeffrey beall. 2011-02-08 10:21:08 akorphan going_forward-- 2011-02-08 10:21:11 BillDueber rsinger++ # you so rock 2011-02-08 10:21:13 gsf ndushay++ 2011-02-08 10:21:13 knickum 1984 here, and George Orwell was full of crap 2011-02-08 10:21:17 pberry oy is my favorite language 2011-02-08 10:21:18 sesuncedu http://community.livejournal.com/lolbrarians/ 2011-02-08 10:21:19 edsu consultants+- 2011-02-08 10:21:27 BigD Ideas++ 2011-02-08 10:21:28 BillDueber Is that an "Oy!", like, yiddish? 2011-02-08 10:21:47 bmljenny Do catalogers like beer? 2011-02-08 10:21:58 anarchivist bmljenny: DUH 2011-02-08 10:22:00 freqlurker like isn't a stong enough word, in my experience 2011-02-08 10:22:02 dchud bmljenny: mine does :) 2011-02-08 10:22:04 atz_ BillDueber: no, it's allcaps, OY... like ska 2011-02-08 10:22:05 helrond charper ++ 2011-02-08 10:22:06 druthb only the very orderly ones, bmljenny. 2011-02-08 10:22:07 ndushay BillDueber: "oi" is the non-yiddish oy 2011-02-08 10:22:09 ecorrado bmljenny: the ones i know are more into red wine 2011-02-08 10:22:09 bmljenny Then why aren't we talking? 2011-02-08 10:22:12 freqlurker s/trong/stong 2011-02-08 10:22:16 BillDueber "you probably also know..." Yea! She assumes we know something! 2011-02-08 10:22:19 bmljenny Maybe we just don't remember it. 2011-02-08 10:22:21 wtd On the video stream it's like Diane H is addressing the UN. 2011-02-08 10:22:22 ndushay diane used to have wine in her office. 2011-02-08 10:22:22 pberry orly 2011-02-08 10:22:32 akorphan pberry: charles de gaulle! 2011-02-08 10:22:38 BillDueber Seriously, what is OY? 2011-02-08 10:22:42 ndushay diane used to have me in her office. 2011-02-08 10:22:47 gsf @takify respect 2011-02-08 10:22:48 zoia Ṛ Ệ Ŝ Ṗ Ẹ Ƈ Ţ 2011-02-08 10:22:56 ecorrado ndushay: TMI 2011-02-08 10:22:59 mlevy_ Oh veh 2011-02-08 10:23:00 BillDueber @scalia diane used to have me in her office. 2011-02-08 10:23:00 zoia BillDueber: diane 'used' to have me in her office. 2011-02-08 10:23:05 pberry Why is MARC struck through? 2011-02-08 10:23:06 ndushay ecorrado-- 2011-02-08 10:23:07 sesuncedu What does that mean to me? 2011-02-08 10:23:08 mlevy_ oops i meant "Oy veh" 2011-02-08 10:23:13 lbjay BillDueber+- 2011-02-08 10:23:17 BillDueber Get better chairs, for starters. 2011-02-08 10:23:17 timmcgeary BillDueber: it's my standard answer to a new project: "Oh, why?" 2011-02-08 10:23:17 BigD That chair wouldn't hold me 2011-02-08 10:23:18 jaf that's assuming our institutions have catalogers 2011-02-08 10:23:24 BillDueber timmcgeary++ 2011-02-08 10:23:31 bmljenny we're going to need a bigger basement. 2011-02-08 10:23:39 timmcgeary dhillman++ 2011-02-08 10:23:42 ndushay screen jitter-- 2011-02-08 10:23:46 anarchivist where we're going we don't need basements 2011-02-08 10:23:49 lbjay @dunno add are you going to do your thelma & louise thing again? 2011-02-08 10:23:49 freqlurker what if you are your institution's cataloger? 2011-02-08 10:23:50 zoia lbjay: The operation succeeded. Dunno #1118 added. 2011-02-08 10:23:56 BillDueber me catalogers were shocked to find out we couldn't reliably parse stuff from variable fields 2011-02-08 10:23:59 ndushay i have not found too many catalogers with a sense of humor. 2011-02-08 10:24:06 gsf my library now hires "metadata librarians" only 2011-02-08 10:24:11 ndushay BillDueber: aaarrr! 2011-02-08 10:24:18 BillDueber ndushay: Once you've cataloged for a few years, it gets drummed out of you 2011-02-08 10:24:20 pberry Exacerbated. I don't know what that means 2011-02-08 10:24:24 mbklein 2007 2011-02-08 10:24:25 akorphan ooh, ALA diss 2011-02-08 10:24:26 decasm_ what's ala? 2011-02-08 10:24:29 jrochkind gsf: calling it the 'learning commons' doesn't mean it ain't a library 2011-02-08 10:24:31 anarchivist ndushay: sounds like a problem with fixed fields 2011-02-08 10:24:32 ndushay ala mode? 2011-02-08 10:24:38 druthb druthb was at ALA last summer... helps that it was local to me. 2011-02-08 10:24:39 alxp she's buttering up this crowd really well 2011-02-08 10:24:46 lbjay how can you people drink coke for breakfast? 2011-02-08 10:24:48 bmljenny Nmh butter 2011-02-08 10:24:51 gsf jrochkind: true, and that's what we call it now, too 2011-02-08 10:24:51 pberry ala is French 2011-02-08 10:24:53 kcoyle ALCTS v LITA 2011-02-08 10:25:00 decasm_ coke, it's not just for breakfast anymore 2011-02-08 10:25:01 ndushay buttering up programmers was required on the National Science Digital Library 2011-02-08 10:25:07 ecorrado ecorrado knows plenty of cataloggers with a sense of humor 2011-02-08 10:25:09 MrDys- | I think that's more of a LITA diss than ALA 2011-02-08 10:25:11 mbklein I went to LITA this year, though, which is more ALA than it is tech-anything. 2011-02-08 10:25:12 BillDueber decasm: Not *just* 2011-02-08 10:25:13 dchud sometimes i think it was a mistake not to have that "cat+code" conference we started planning a few years ago 2011-02-08 10:25:20 mcdonald Metadata_Maven ++ 2011-02-08 10:25:21 anarchivist anarchivist knows more programmers who have bad senses of humor 2011-02-08 10:25:22 eby Bourbon_and_coke++ 2011-02-08 10:25:32 knickum coffee > coke > just give up and go back to bed 2011-02-08 10:25:39 knickum it's a desperation move really 2011-02-08 10:25:42 timmcgeary mbklein: still? I haven't been to LITA in 5 years because of that 2011-02-08 10:25:44 charper dchud: there really needs to be such a conference 2011-02-08 10:25:45 ecorrado @rate catalogers reference_librarians 2011-02-08 10:25:48 zoia ecorrado: catalogers: 8.5; reference librarians: 10.0. reference librarians rocks! 2011-02-08 10:25:55 gsf cli++ 2011-02-08 10:25:57 mbklein @weather 2011-02-08 10:25:57 zoia mbklein: (weather ) -- Get the weather forecast for from Weather Underground 2011-02-08 10:25:59 ecorrado zoia: you're strange 2011-02-08 10:26:00 zoia ecorrado: I call this problem measure with micrometer, mark with chalk, cut with axe. 2011-02-08 10:26:03 codemart drinking coke bc there aint coffee 2011-02-08 10:26:03 mbklein @weather bloomington, in 2011-02-08 10:26:04 ndushay ecorrado: ok, catalogers sense of humor not overlapping with me 2011-02-08 10:26:05 zoia mbklein: Forecast for Bloomington, IN: Today: Partly cloudy. Nearly steady temperatures around 19. Northwest winds 5 to 15 mph. Tonight: Partly cloudy. Lows around 9. Northwest winds up to 5 mph. Wind chill readings 1 below to 9 above zero. 2011-02-08 10:26:06 timmcgeary dang my eyes are getting bad 2011-02-08 10:26:06 dchud charper: maybe it's time 2011-02-08 10:26:12 mbklein There. I talked about the weather. 2011-02-08 10:26:12 BillDueber anarchivist: programmers are, as a group, less funny than we think we are. 2011-02-08 10:26:20 ejk ejk CANNOT READ ON LIVE STREAM 2011-02-08 10:26:21 ndushay group s !!!!! 2011-02-08 10:26:21 timmcgeary pop quiz 2011-02-08 10:26:31 BillDueber (d) typesetters 2011-02-08 10:26:32 ejk Cataloger 2011-02-08 10:26:33 ejk s 2011-02-08 10:26:36 lbjay code4cats 2011-02-08 10:26:37 timmcgeary all of the above 2011-02-08 10:26:39 dchud s++ 2011-02-08 10:26:39 pberry BillDueber: Speak for yourself, I'm hilarious. But, looks aren't everything 2011-02-08 10:26:40 ecorrado Special Collections 2011-02-08 10:26:40 akorphan typesetting++ 2011-02-08 10:26:41 archivist programmer 2011-02-08 10:26:41 knickum hah, and then i told her of course you can't do that with the 1190!!! 2011-02-08 10:26:47 BillDueber pberry++ 2011-02-08 10:26:51 timmcgeary just different nitties and gritties 2011-02-08 10:26:57 ndushay pop in irc in front of her? 2011-02-08 10:26:57 anarchivist @hussein webinar 2011-02-08 10:26:58 zoia anarchivist: In whiner abuses 2011-02-08 10:27:08 ndushay where's the PDP11 ? 2011-02-08 10:27:09 royt wow, kudos to IU for the stream 2011-02-08 10:27:09 timmcgeary public service librarians want to see the interface first 2011-02-08 10:27:09 mbklein @hussein ngc4lib 2011-02-08 10:27:10 zoia mbklein: Since blushing 2011-02-08 10:27:27 edsu royt: seriously 2011-02-08 10:27:28 royt the bar has been set 2011-02-08 10:27:32 ecorrado where i am at, this isn't a issue, the catalogers and systems people are more interested in the big picture first. 2011-02-08 10:27:39 anarchivist @ana belly up to the bar 2011-02-08 10:27:39 zoia anarchivist: Halo petty burble 2011-02-08 10:27:40 BigD Yay, royt! 2011-02-08 10:27:40 atz_ this is exactly what came up in the SolR talk yesterday, about relevance... wanting to see exactly how relevance was computed 2011-02-08 10:27:47 BillDueber Step 1: Come to grips with the fact that we're never going to perfectly bring all the old data forward. 2011-02-08 10:27:54 ecorrado the other areas of the libraries tend to want to go directly to the solution 2011-02-08 10:27:56 timmcgeary ecorrado: don't ever leave there 2011-02-08 10:28:01 BillDueber $5 on the dog 2011-02-08 10:28:02 dchud royt: care to help dust off the cat+code conf idea? i'm ready finally if you still are. 2011-02-08 10:28:02 akorphan Dude, are those boxing puppies? 2011-02-08 10:28:03 charper ecorrado: I feel like that's happening more and more, but it's slow going. You're lucky. 2011-02-08 10:28:08 pberry Cat_photos++ 2011-02-08 10:28:12 mbklein royt: code4lib has never lacked for a bar 2011-02-08 10:28:14 gsf akorphan: one is a cat 2011-02-08 10:28:16 royt dchud: totally 2011-02-08 10:28:22 timmcgeary that's one long tail 2011-02-08 10:28:25 bmljenny ok what is going on on that slide? 2011-02-08 10:28:27 akorphan gsf: hard to tell from the sides... 2011-02-08 10:28:32 pberry mbklein++ 2011-02-08 10:28:35 ndushay bottoms up, mates! 2011-02-08 10:28:35 scolford I do believe that cat is winning. 2011-02-08 10:28:39 royt mbklein: not that kind of bar ;-) 2011-02-08 10:28:41 morgan8 Cat fight 2011-02-08 10:28:44 librarywebchi royt: dchud: I'll help too! 2011-02-08 10:28:45 gluejar bottum-up solution=toy program 2011-02-08 10:28:47 edsu wish dhillman would talk about why cataloging matters at all anymore 2011-02-08 10:28:51 BigD dchud: I like that idea. Also thinking of mashing curatecamp and thatcamp 2011-02-08 10:28:57 timmcgeary slumber or coma? 2011-02-08 10:29:03 pberry Ignore the old problems 2011-02-08 10:29:06 druthb coma, tim. definitely. 2011-02-08 10:29:07 MrDys- | campcamp camp 2011-02-08 10:29:07 mbklein ThatCurateCamp++ 2011-02-08 10:29:11 fyodor why would the "vendor community" wake up? 2011-02-08 10:29:13 gluejar I like toys 2011-02-08 10:29:16 dchud okay so we have 4-5 people, let's discuss today? 2011-02-08 10:29:20 gsf rosie the cataloging systems librarian 2011-02-08 10:29:28 royt dchud: I think I sttil have the email sitting around from the earlier time you brought this up 2011-02-08 10:29:30 BillDueber fyodor: Open source competition will force them to innovcate. Eventually. Maybe. 2011-02-08 10:29:30 timmcgeary gsf++ 2011-02-08 10:29:32 ecorrado ecorrado doesn't blame vendors, /me blames librarians 2011-02-08 10:29:42 librarywebchi dchud: sure, pick time/place 2011-02-08 10:29:43 BillDueber ecorrado++ 2011-02-08 10:29:43 BigD I was thinking "CURATETHAT!" 2011-02-08 10:29:44 sesuncedu Catalogers are giving up on programming and learning ruby 2011-02-08 10:29:44 druthb ecorrado++ 2011-02-08 10:29:45 dchud royt: i think i had a backpack page 2011-02-08 10:29:51 royt likely 2011-02-08 10:29:51 gluejar if she can do it, why does she need vendors to wake up 2011-02-08 10:29:53 BillDueber librarians_unwilling_to_vote_with_their_feet-- 2011-02-08 10:29:55 decasm_ sesuncedu++ 2011-02-08 10:29:57 anarchivist @ana there's a microservice for that 2011-02-08 10:29:58 zoia anarchivist: Trashier comforter achieves 2011-02-08 10:30:00 knickum sesuncedu: ouch 2011-02-08 10:30:02 eby ecorrado: Also lucky to have people that arent set in way 2011-02-08 10:30:02 atz_ BillDueber: they will innovate new ways *of fucking you* 2011-02-08 10:30:10 jrochkind gluejar: can do what? singlehandedy change the entire system? nope 2011-02-08 10:30:10 codemart catalogers use dated images 2011-02-08 10:30:15 scolford atz_++ 2011-02-08 10:30:19 dchud royt, charper, librarywebchic, BigD: chat at break? 2011-02-08 10:30:24 ecorrado build your own cataloger? 2011-02-08 10:30:30 fyodor I've heard Diane talk about this before - that the commercial vendors are somehow going to get on board with developing the post-MARC magical linked data interfaces that will save us all\ 2011-02-08 10:30:32 BigD dchud: Si 2011-02-08 10:30:33 ecorrado that might take 20+ years 2011-02-08 10:30:35 BillDueber atz_: If the prodcut works, me getting fucked is just part of the contract that we build into the price. 2011-02-08 10:30:36 knickum sesuncedu++ 2011-02-08 10:30:36 anarchivist can haz nonfiling indicator? 2011-02-08 10:30:36 charper dchud: definitely. 2011-02-08 10:30:39 gsf the red part of the brain is filled with MARC 2011-02-08 10:30:47 librarywebchi dchud: have to go get ready to talk after Diane 2011-02-08 10:30:55 lbjay @lolz happy cataloger is happy 2011-02-08 10:30:56 zoia lbjay: HAPPEH KATALOGR IZ HAPPEH 2011-02-08 10:30:56 akorphan Vendors won't change until it's more monetarily risky to maintain the status quo than to change. 2011-02-08 10:30:56 anna3lc weird science: cataloger edition 2011-02-08 10:31:03 BillDueber Happy catalogers?????? 2011-02-08 10:31:14 MrDys- | ah, stock photography 2011-02-08 10:31:17 sesuncedu Catalogers are goth 2011-02-08 10:31:17 mbklein Thinking and talking in MARC tags guarantees that you won't survive a change in metadata formats. 2011-02-08 10:31:18 royt dchud: it would have to be phone for me, I'm in CA 2011-02-08 10:31:25 charper akorphan: could it be that they get pushed, though? By things like ole & xc? 2011-02-08 10:31:28 timmcgeary keyboards taste better with bacon 2011-02-08 10:31:28 sesuncedu It's the cutters 2011-02-08 10:31:32 druthb druthb hasn't met but one truly-happy cataloger, in twenty years...and even that was a questionable case. 2011-02-08 10:31:34 sekjal or, the "vendor community" stays asleep (or comatose) and some of us will band together to make a living off helping people fix problems 2011-02-08 10:31:38 archivist catalogers need to know how searching can work, stop fitting data to bad designs 2011-02-08 10:31:40 bmljenny This is why cataloging matters http://www.flickr.com/photos/bmljenny/5369192906/ 2011-02-08 10:31:41 archivist marc-- 2011-02-08 10:31:42 pmurray "thinking about in batch, rather than one at a time"++ 2011-02-08 10:31:43 dchud royt: no, you're here, i can feel your presence 2011-02-08 10:31:44 gsf data_that_isn't_marc++ 2011-02-08 10:31:48 akorphan charper: I think that libraries can push them, but it will probably be a costly process for us at first 2011-02-08 10:31:55 royt dchud++ 2011-02-08 10:31:59 lbjay @who will be scandalized by something [someone] said in channel? 2011-02-08 10:31:59 zoia hkm will be scandalized by something paulalbert said in channel. 2011-02-08 10:32:00 decasm_ how many crosswalks can i put you down for? 2011-02-08 10:32:01 ecorrado timmcgeary: everything tastes better with bacon, even bacon tastes better with bacon 2011-02-08 10:32:01 greg-g waves at all the attendees 2011-02-08 10:32:03 sesuncedu @decide EAD or MARC 2011-02-08 10:32:03 zoia sesuncedu: That's a tough one... 2011-02-08 10:32:03 akorphan Libraries are more int he position to eat the cost initially 2011-02-08 10:32:06 atz_ batchiness++ 2011-02-08 10:32:08 pberry Rawr 2011-02-08 10:32:13 akorphan And they're hardly in that position at all.... 2011-02-08 10:32:14 BillDueber gsf: To be fair, non-MARC data is all shitty, too. It's just shitty data in an easier format. 2011-02-08 10:32:21 escowles sekjal: can we have capes? 2011-02-08 10:32:27 gsf BillDueber: i'll take it! 2011-02-08 10:32:29 MrDys- | @Ana eat the cost 2011-02-08 10:32:30 zoia MrDys-: Ace hottest 2011-02-08 10:32:32 timmcgeary 800LBgorillas-- 2011-02-08 10:32:34 druthb druthb bookmarks bmljenny's image set. 2011-02-08 10:32:45 decasm_ BillDueber: data is shitty, marc is constipated as well 2011-02-08 10:32:49 edsu code4lib is teaching ourselves, she nailed that 2011-02-08 10:32:49 gsf capes++ 2011-02-08 10:32:51 akorphan Good data is good 2011-02-08 10:32:52 BillDueber Is that royt inside an ape suit? 2011-02-08 10:32:55 akorphan or, less bad 2011-02-08 10:32:57 timmcgeary decasm_++ 2011-02-08 10:33:04 dchud charper, librarywebchic, charper: chat at reception tonight instead then? we can fill royt in later 2011-02-08 10:33:14 royt BillDueber: what suit? that's me on a good day 2011-02-08 10:33:18 BillDueber http://metadata-wg.mannlib.cornell.edu 2011-02-08 10:33:22 gsf royt++ 2011-02-08 10:33:23 librarywebchi dchud: sounds good to me 2011-02-08 10:33:27 mbklein Yo dawg, I heard you like multiformat record consolidation, so I put a 856 in your 856 so you can collocate while you collocate 2011-02-08 10:33:30 timmcgeary royt++ 2011-02-08 10:33:30 charper dchud: yep. 2011-02-08 10:33:35 BillDueber royt++ 2011-02-08 10:33:37 ecorrado @duel 800lbgorilla pinkelephant 2011-02-08 10:33:37 zoia ecorrado: An error has occurred and has been logged. Please contact this bot's administrator for more information. 2011-02-08 10:33:43 MrDys- | royt: don't you have a very important meeting to be at? 2011-02-08 10:33:50 timmcgeary timmcgeary is already a troublemaker - how can I do it better? 2011-02-08 10:33:57 bmljenny I think she can count on us being troublemakers. 2011-02-08 10:33:59 royt MrDys: it's 7:32 am in CA ;-) 2011-02-08 10:34:00 BillDueber royt: What state of the union is your Big Meeting in? 2011-02-08 10:34:12 mbklein @weather Stanford, CA 2011-02-08 10:34:14 druthb druthb used to make a lot more trouble than she does lately. 2011-02-08 10:34:16 zoia mbklein: Forecast for Stanford, CA: Today: Sunny. Highs in the mid 50s to mid 60s. North winds 10 to 20 mph. Tonight: Clear. Lows in the upper 30s to mid 40s. North winds 10 to 20 mph. 2011-02-08 10:34:17 atz_ timmcgeary: can your trouble scale? 2011-02-08 10:34:19 akorphan wait, didn't we see this chart? 2011-02-08 10:34:22 royt BillDueber: California 2011-02-08 10:34:23 pberry Heh, causing trouble is how I ended up in the library 2011-02-08 10:34:23 MrDys- | royt is feeling ambitious today 2011-02-08 10:34:24 escowles MOAR TENSION 2011-02-08 10:34:31 skoczko Tension, again? 2011-02-08 10:34:33 lbjay @forecast 02420 2011-02-08 10:34:34 zoia lbjay: 36°?! ITS FUCKING COLD AND WET 2011-02-08 10:34:36 mbklein akorphan: This one is missing the ring. 2011-02-08 10:34:44 sesuncedu Don't know where that book is mate. Could be anywhere. 2011-02-08 10:34:49 librarywebchi @forecast 77062 2011-02-08 10:34:50 zoia librarywebchic: 46°?! ITS FUCKING ....ALRIGHT 2011-02-08 10:34:54 BillDueber "Current OPAC" users will become "new opac" users. Screw 'em. 2011-02-08 10:34:58 druthb the up-down axis is the *same* one from twenty years ago, in the ILS vs paper card discussion. 2011-02-08 10:35:03 mbklein mbklein is starting to hope anna3lc was right about the post-conference massages. 2011-02-08 10:35:04 timmcgeary atz_ well, the scalability of some of my trouble is definitely pushing boundaries 2011-02-08 10:35:05 knickum @weather 68522 2011-02-08 10:35:06 zoia knickum: Forecast for Lincoln, NE: Today: Cloudy. A 20 percent chance of snow in the morning. Bitterly cold. Highs around 4. North winds 10 to 15 mph. Wind chill readings around 22 below. Tonight: Decreasing clouds. Very cold. Lows around 1 below. Northwest winds around 10 mph. 2011-02-08 10:35:11 ecorrado more Tension 2011-02-08 10:35:13 BillDueber What's teh "guidance instruction"? 2011-02-08 10:35:25 jrochkind rules for how to fill out a form 2011-02-08 10:35:28 sesuncedu Instrument Landing Systems 2011-02-08 10:35:38 edsu where it's at, two turntables and some guidance instructions 2011-02-08 10:35:39 akorphan @cyborg ILS 2011-02-08 10:35:41 zoia akorphan: I.L.S.: Individual Limited to Sabotage 2011-02-08 10:35:43 BillDueber jrochkind++ 2011-02-08 10:35:44 mbklein Don't worry, streaming feed watchers -- we can't read this slide either. 2011-02-08 10:35:45 maccabee when your guidance counselor says to stick to the safe schools 2011-02-08 10:35:53 jstirnaman wish she would've fleshed that out a bit more 2011-02-08 10:35:57 ejk ejk can't quite read that slide... 2011-02-08 10:35:59 freqlurker is that a picture of a loofah? 2011-02-08 10:36:06 timmcgeary just learned I'm flying solo on my talk this morning - co-presenter has sick child 2011-02-08 10:36:06 escowles now that's a cloud i can believe in 2011-02-08 10:36:10 knickum does anyone have the url for the c4l livestream, offhand? 2011-02-08 10:36:16 jstirnaman http://www.indiana.edu/~uits/code4lib/program/sessions.php 2011-02-08 10:36:17 pberry Cloud loofah 2011-02-08 10:36:20 pmurray cramming_into_MARC_databases-- 2011-02-08 10:36:23 roguejul_ dchud: interested in conference idea. Can I join in? 2011-02-08 10:36:24 dchud the LOD cloud still looks like a reference desk to me 2011-02-08 10:36:25 sesuncedu cram it in yer marc database 2011-02-08 10:36:27 ejk live_stream++ 2011-02-08 10:36:28 BillDueber You can't tell from the slide, but "Libraries" is that tiny little blue dot next to the arrow 2011-02-08 10:36:33 gsf loofah computing 2011-02-08 10:36:36 mbklein freqlurker: It's the functional requirements graph for the new LUFAH data scrubbing standard 2011-02-08 10:36:37 fyodor bigger version of the slide: http://richard.cyganiak.de/2007/10/lod/imagemap.html 2011-02-08 10:36:41 akorphan contrast++ 2011-02-08 10:36:42 davidWalker @weather 2011-02-08 10:36:42 zoia davidWalker: (weather ) -- Get the weather forecast for from Weather Underground 2011-02-08 10:36:44 kcoyle ld cloud drinking game = one drink every time cloud appears 2011-02-08 10:36:47 jrochkind yeah, there's a bunch of stuff in here that needs to be fleshed out, too much time on setting things up instead of meat 2011-02-08 10:36:49 davidWalker @weather 92009 2011-02-08 10:36:51 zoia davidWalker: Forecast for Carlsbad, CA: Today: Areas of low clouds and fog in the morning then patchy low clouds. Highs 60 to 65. Light winds. Tonight: Mostly cloudy in the evening...becoming partly cloudy. Colder. Lows 40 to 50. Light winds becoming northeast 15 to 20 mph with gusts to 25 mph overnight. 2011-02-08 10:36:51 dchud roguejul_: sure, find us at the reception tonight. though i don't know you from your nick :) 2011-02-08 10:36:54 bmljenny BUBLZ 2011-02-08 10:36:56 edsu kcoyle++ # will tea work? 2011-02-08 10:36:58 druthb druthb enjoys making catalogers go "Eek!" 2011-02-08 10:36:58 pmurray Where is that cataloger-eeek button again? ;-) 2011-02-08 10:37:08 akorphan sigh, marc data 2011-02-08 10:37:10 royt YAHOO for revolutionary change 2011-02-08 10:37:11 kcoyle tea, tame. 2011-02-08 10:37:17 BillDueber pmurray: Above the left knee 2011-02-08 10:37:20 ecorrado SW Dog Food? (it is one of the things in the chart) 2011-02-08 10:37:21 edsu kcoyle: shoot 2011-02-08 10:37:24 charper kcoyle++ ; what happens in talks I give that show 4 versions of said cloud in succession? 2011-02-08 10:37:27 akorphan when was the RDBMS invented? 2011-02-08 10:37:33 lbjay dbs++ 2011-02-08 10:37:35 BillDueber OPAC-- 2011-02-08 10:37:36 csharp dbs++ 2011-02-08 10:37:39 jstirnaman wholesale == macro? 2011-02-08 10:37:40 jrochkind akorphan: late 60s i think? 2011-02-08 10:37:45 jaf no more lipstick for the pig 2011-02-08 10:37:50 kcoyle lots of drinks, drunk crowd is happy crowd 2011-02-08 10:38:02 anna3lc find catalogers. convince them that data they have no control over is good. 2011-02-08 10:38:03 dbs I had some lipstick, but the pig ated it 2011-02-08 10:38:05 tingletech relational calculus came before RDBMS 2011-02-08 10:38:06 jrochkind akorphan: took 15 or 20 years to maturity of course 2011-02-08 10:38:07 timmcgeary finished-- 2011-02-08 10:38:07 druthb If we keep waiting for it to be *started*.... 2011-02-08 10:38:07 gsf software is never finished 2011-02-08 10:38:11 gsf no rest for the weary 2011-02-08 10:38:12 pberry Finished? Hahahahaha 2011-02-08 10:38:15 edsu finished == dead 2011-02-08 10:38:15 akorphan jrochkind: true, true 2011-02-08 10:38:15 timmcgeary goodenough++ 2011-02-08 10:38:18 zoia zoia chuckles 2011-02-08 10:38:20 MrDys- | mmm lunch 2011-02-08 10:38:21 escowles it'll be finished when it's dead 2011-02-08 10:38:22 abarrera BigD eats everyones lunch 2011-02-08 10:38:23 akorphan a job worth doing is worth doing poorly. 2011-02-08 10:38:23 BigD abarrera ate my lunch 2011-02-08 10:38:24 freqlurker I'm going to eat my lunch, thanks very much 2011-02-08 10:38:25 BillDueber kcoyle: If we could just get all the patrons drunk and keep them that way...wait. I suddenly understand the undergrad Greek system. 2011-02-08 10:38:27 pberry Interative 2011-02-08 10:38:27 lbjay yikes 2011-02-08 10:38:30 ecorrado best presentaiton ever at EndUser: Coors Brewing Company Library (yes, they brought free samples) 2011-02-08 10:38:31 bmljenny People out of the gate eating my lunch? 2011-02-08 10:38:33 gsf dbs! 2011-02-08 10:38:33 jrochkind E. F. Codd introduced the term in his seminal paper "A Relational Model of Data for Large Shared Data Banks", published in 1970 2011-02-08 10:38:38 Baroquem Scary 2011-02-08 10:38:40 jrochkind The first systems that were relatively faithful implementations of the relational model were from the University of Michigan; Micro DBMS (1969) and from IBM UK Scientific Centre at Peterlee; IS1 (1970–72) and its followon PRTV (1973–79). The first system sold as an RDBMS was Multics Relational Data Store, first sold in 1978. Others have been Berkeley Ingres QUEL and IBM BS12. 2011-02-08 10:38:40 timmcgeary dear god that's a fugly picture 2011-02-08 10:38:43 mbklein The point of scylla and charibdis isn't that you can get past the danger with careful navigation. It's that, once you *do* navigate through, there are still 12 other things waiting to kill you. 2011-02-08 10:38:44 gsf dbs: you are missed 2011-02-08 10:38:46 abarrera BigD beat u to it fat boy 2011-02-08 10:38:47 freqlurker i can't unsee that picture 2011-02-08 10:38:49 anarchivist dhillman++ 2011-02-08 10:38:53 ejk comic_sans-- 2011-02-08 10:38:59 royt freqlurker++ 2011-02-08 10:39:00 atz_ internal_metals++ 2011-02-08 10:39:01 akorphan papyrus-- 2011-02-08 10:39:08 pberry RDA? 2011-02-08 10:39:13 ranti nutty catalogers are nutz 2011-02-08 10:39:17 BigD abarrera: My fat fingers are too slow for the iPad 2011-02-08 10:39:17 mbklein gsf: If you wanted dbs here, you shouldn't have put him on the terrorist watch list. 2011-02-08 10:39:23 anarchivist mbklein: there's a hydra joke in there somewhere 2011-02-08 10:39:23 pmurray pberry: Resource Description and Access. 2011-02-08 10:39:26 ecorrado RDA-- 2011-02-08 10:39:31 jstirnaman testing_theaters++ 2011-02-08 10:39:33 charper Love this point that squeezing RDA into MARC is *not* a measure of RDA's value. 2011-02-08 10:39:35 BillDueber pmurray: http://www.rdatoolkit.org/ 2011-02-08 10:39:35 druthb whole_different_questions++ 2011-02-08 10:39:36 dchud i argued for this fwiw. i suggested to folks working on testing that they should contact a dozen of the folks in this room for help with testing 2011-02-08 10:39:37 gsf mbklein: it seemed so funny at the time 2011-02-08 10:39:41 yitznewton whoever_got_streaming_this_year++ 2011-02-08 10:39:49 abarrera BigD they don't have a sausage finger emulating test at Apple, sorry. 2011-02-08 10:39:50 dchud maybe i should've followed up with that more. 2011-02-08 10:39:50 lbjay i made something into something else but i ated it 2011-02-08 10:39:51 druthb They don't have to worry about changing how they do their jobs. 2011-02-08 10:39:53 charper dchud: were you just flat shot-down? 2011-02-08 10:39:55 timmcgeary interesting... 2011-02-08 10:39:55 BillDueber BillDueber has made that argument. 2011-02-08 10:39:57 royt dchud++ 2011-02-08 10:39:57 gsf gsf is scared by that picture 2011-02-08 10:40:00 edsu dchud++ 2011-02-08 10:40:01 dbs gsf: I couldn't figure out a way to top my hysterical "OMG my passport is locked in a safe in Atlanta" tale of ought-9 2011-02-08 10:40:02 pberry You think, I know! I'll use XSLT. Now you have two problems. 2011-02-08 10:40:07 bmljenny Can we move to the next picture please? 2011-02-08 10:40:07 lbjay NEXT SLIDE! 2011-02-08 10:40:11 mbklein gsf: http://goo.gl/5n1Qf 2011-02-08 10:40:11 zoia mbklein: Don't you mean ? 2011-02-08 10:40:13 timmcgeary I think that's the first I've heard RDA is not enough change 2011-02-08 10:40:14 dchud charper: no i wasn't shot down. they were receptive. 2011-02-08 10:40:17 jrochkind yeah, diane doens't realize that she had to give background on what she's talking about, sadly. this audience does not have the context she thinks it has. 2011-02-08 10:40:23 alxp pberry++ 2011-02-08 10:40:26 akorphan nightmare_fuel-- 2011-02-08 10:40:28 lbjay @who is going to upchuck? 2011-02-08 10:40:28 zoia alek_br is going to upchuck. 2011-02-08 10:40:32 dchud but i think they didn't know how to connect... i also advocated for publishing their testing data 2011-02-08 10:40:37 dchud i think they did right? 2011-02-08 10:40:40 charper jrochkind: kinda makes her point in an unintended way, then. 2011-02-08 10:40:42 lbjay @who will clean it up? 2011-02-08 10:40:43 zoia dchud will clean it up. 2011-02-08 10:40:50 royt Hillmann rocks 2011-02-08 10:40:58 timmcgeary I'm getting a lot more exciting to talk with Diane about OLE 2011-02-08 10:40:58 BillDueber Anyone recognize that picture? 2011-02-08 10:41:01 charper dchud: yes, they published some test data. Which is good. 2011-02-08 10:41:04 timmcgeary s/exciting/excited 2011-02-08 10:41:14 royt BINGO 2011-02-08 10:41:16 akorphan billdueber: It's not Street Fighter, that's for sure. 2011-02-08 10:41:17 edsu totally right 2011-02-08 10:41:18 dchud charper: is the test data available from http://www.loc.gov/bibliographic-future/rda/ ? 2011-02-08 10:41:19 ranti dbs++ 2011-02-08 10:41:20 dchud dchud looks 2011-02-08 10:41:21 druthb LC is *way* too close to the vacuum of intelligent behavior that is Congress. 2011-02-08 10:41:23 ranti mcdonald++ 2011-02-08 10:41:33 dchud LC is not a monolithic borg. 2011-02-08 10:41:35 druthb LC as "leadership" is laughable. 2011-02-08 10:41:39 dchud UNLESS I'M DELUSIONAL 2011-02-08 10:41:47 charper dchud: doesn't look like it. 2011-02-08 10:41:47 royt ALA makes a lot of money on cataloging code 2011-02-08 10:41:47 gsf mbklein: nutty brits 2011-02-08 10:41:51 anarchivist @sing das racist : chicken and meat : library 2011-02-08 10:41:53 zoia [Victor]barcodebarcodelibrary of congressmolto spinachphoto finishcanoncannonshoot me out the cannongun blastercut fastermuevelomueveloven pa'quaoh my godit's so hardandaleandaleepaepafastest rodentcheck the componentsandaleLyricsandaleepaarribaniñapintasanta mariaave mariaave mariacheese, bread, sauce, pizzeriacarlos santanajuelz santanab-b-b-b-b-b-bananasb-b-b-b-b-b-bananasyoung moneyhannah montanatony (6 more messages) 2011-02-08 10:41:53 BillDueber Does LC have a "crazy skunkworks projects" group at all? 2011-02-08 10:41:59 jaf dchud; all your catalogers are belong to us 2011-02-08 10:42:08 BillDueber BTW, IU++ for having a network than can keep up with all of this. 2011-02-08 10:42:12 dchud seriously, the right people are in the room right now to grab this data and test it in blacklight, vufind, koha, evergreen, etc. 2011-02-08 10:42:17 dbs dchud: put your rose-coloured borg eyepiece back on! 2011-02-08 10:42:18 jrochkind jrochkind thought edsu was one big 'crazy skunkworks project' 2011-02-08 10:42:21 knickum IU++ bigtime 2011-02-08 10:42:24 anna3lc find catalogers. convince them to embrace data they didn't create. then convince them LoC is not in charge. 2011-02-08 10:42:24 dchud let's find the data. 2011-02-08 10:42:25 mbklein BillDueber: You mean for building toys? 2011-02-08 10:42:26 druthb IU++ 2011-02-08 10:42:31 edsu kinda confused about what needs to change in MARC 2011-02-08 10:42:34 gsf @rate top-down bottom-up 2011-02-08 10:42:34 pberry IU++ 2011-02-08 10:42:35 royt jrochkind++ 2011-02-08 10:42:37 atz_ IU++ (let's hope it holds up in the alumni hall) 2011-02-08 10:42:37 zoia gsf: top-down: 9.1; bottom-up: 7.9. top-down rocks! 2011-02-08 10:42:39 akorphan ibahn-- 2011-02-08 10:42:40 sesuncedu The hawks eat the skunks 2011-02-08 10:42:44 dchud dbs: is that what OH NOOooOOo 2011-02-08 10:42:55 mbklein anna3lc++ Why aren't you in this channel the other 361 days out of the year? 2011-02-08 10:42:56 escowles bottom-up++ 2011-02-08 10:43:02 pmurray 169 people in channel. 2011-02-08 10:43:02 erikhatcher BillDueber: what was the picture from? 2011-02-08 10:43:07 akorphan bottoms-up++ 2011-02-08 10:43:13 BillDueber erikhatcher: I was honestly asking. 2011-02-08 10:43:18 anarchivist gdunsire++ 2011-02-08 10:43:19 paulalbert http://www.dlib.org/dlib/january10/hillmann/01hillmann.html 2011-02-08 10:43:19 gsf mbklein: anna3lc has more important things to do 2011-02-08 10:43:22 pberry I feel kind of lucky coming into the library from "the outside" 2011-02-08 10:43:24 BillDueber this_article++ 2011-02-08 10:43:26 mbklein gsf: phsaw 2011-02-08 10:43:29 kcoyle edsu, look at http://futurelib.pbworks.com/w/page/29114548/MARC-elements 2011-02-08 10:43:30 anna3lc mbklein: I can't figure out what you guys are talking about without giant pictures 2011-02-08 10:43:31 pmurray paulalbert++ 2011-02-08 10:43:32 mbklein gsf: pshaw, even 2011-02-08 10:43:37 timmcgeary paulalbert++ 2011-02-08 10:43:40 kcoyle i'm working on analysis of marc so we can transform it 2011-02-08 10:43:43 timmcgeary timmcgeary will read it 2011-02-08 10:43:47 charper So few hands! Read this article folks. 2011-02-08 10:43:51 rjhoyle http://www.dlib.org/dlib/january10/hillmann/01hillmann.html 2011-02-08 10:44:01 pmurray Too few hands! 2011-02-08 10:44:12 akorphan troublemakers++ 2011-02-08 10:44:23 lbjay @blame troublemakers 2011-02-08 10:44:23 zoia lbjay: Situation Normal, troublemakers Fouled Up 2011-02-08 10:44:28 ndushay http://dlib.org/dlib/january10/hillmann/01hillmann.html 2011-02-08 10:44:33 lbjay all they do is play with their toys 2011-02-08 10:44:38 pmurray Works for libraries and works outside of libraries! 2011-02-08 10:44:40 timmcgeary posted link to #c4l11 trend 2011-02-08 10:44:41 dchud i don't agree with the strategy of throwing stones at the process. extend the process yourself and test it with your stuff. 2011-02-08 10:44:45 mbklein charper: I tagged it on Delicious. That's the same thing, right? 2011-02-08 10:44:48 sesuncedu Of course, the RDF version of RDA violates the 1:1 principle. 2011-02-08 10:44:53 atz_ and..... *REVEAL* 2011-02-08 10:44:54 druthb pushing_cataloger_buttons++ 2011-02-08 10:45:01 sesuncedu The other version just violates common sense 2011-02-08 10:45:04 edsu what's the replacement for MARC again? 2011-02-08 10:45:10 BillDueber edsu: CONFIRM OR DENY!!! 2011-02-08 10:45:10 sesuncedu edsu: MARC 2011-02-08 10:45:14 royt MARC Must Die! 2011-02-08 10:45:14 dchud not a monolithic borg. really. 2011-02-08 10:45:14 decasm_ has needed to be replaced for a long time 2011-02-08 10:45:15 charper mbkein. I've read a lot of important stuff, then! 2011-02-08 10:45:16 edsu sesuncedu: hahaha 2011-02-08 10:45:16 pberry http://teddziuba.com/2011/02/the-case-against-queues.html apropos of nothing 2011-02-08 10:45:19 timmcgeary sesuncedu++ 2011-02-08 10:45:23 scolford replacing_marc_with_marc-- 2011-02-08 10:45:24 mbklein charper++ 2011-02-08 10:45:24 kcoyle edsu, anything that works, but not just one thing 2011-02-08 10:45:31 mbklein THERE! ARE! FOUR! LIGHTS! 2011-02-08 10:45:32 ejk JSON, right? 2011-02-08 10:45:36 abarrera poor Marc from accounting LOC is gonna replace him 2011-02-08 10:45:40 pmurray She just said "innovative" -- /me shudders 2011-02-08 10:45:43 gsf kcoyle! 2011-02-08 10:45:44 dbs mbklein: Keeping up with the Cardassians, eh? 2011-02-08 10:45:44 ecorrado edsu: That's part of the whole problem with RDA, it doesn't replace MARC. It replaces AACR2 2011-02-08 10:45:46 lbjay dhillmann++ 2011-02-08 10:45:46 timmcgeary abarrera++ 2011-02-08 10:45:47 edsu kcoyle: erm, yeah? so i can replace it with ice-cream? 2011-02-08 10:45:48 decasm_ marc is dead. long live marc! 2011-02-08 10:45:48 pberry mbklein++ 2011-02-08 10:45:50 jrochkind especially she doesnt understand why edsu would want to keep it. 2011-02-08 10:45:51 jaf well, my crazy head keeps thinking "So, do we even need to catalog anymore, outside of the need for us to track inventory?" 2011-02-08 10:45:52 akorphan wait, why do catalogers want to keep MARC other than the fac that it's what they're used to? 2011-02-08 10:46:02 pberry open! 2011-02-08 10:46:04 gluejar jaf++ 2011-02-08 10:46:05 edsu what's here? what's ready? 2011-02-08 10:46:08 mbklein pmurray: Something Innovative is on the Horizon! 2011-02-08 10:46:17 timmcgeary edsu: marc22 2011-02-08 10:46:17 gsf mbklein-- 2011-02-08 10:46:25 anna3lc mbklein++ 2011-02-08 10:46:28 pmurray mbklein-- 2011-02-08 10:46:29 druthb appropriate_beverages++ 2011-02-08 10:46:32 timmcgeary appropriate_beverages++ 2011-02-08 10:46:33 pberry puns++ 2011-02-08 10:46:34 akorphan ibahn-- 2011-02-08 10:46:36 lbjay @ana Something Innovative is on the Horizon! 2011-02-08 10:46:36 zoia lbjay: Moth-eaten visions on thieving 2011-02-08 10:46:37 ecorrado akorphan: I don't know many catalogers that don't want to replaceMARC, but they want to replace it with somethignthat is worth the price/costs 2011-02-08 10:46:38 scolford mbklein-- 2011-02-08 10:46:38 edsu what would you take up? 2011-02-08 10:46:40 charper edsu: something that defines data a bit more clearly, doesn't bury important information in fixed coded values, and tries to reflect a data model that makes sense. 2011-02-08 10:46:43 pmurray zoia++ 2011-02-08 10:46:45 lbjay zoia++ 2011-02-08 10:46:49 ecorrado ecorrado doubts RDA is worth it 2011-02-08 10:46:50 ndushay b/c metadata standards have been driving us nuts for years 2011-02-08 10:46:56 edsu charper: what is that something? 2011-02-08 10:46:57 dbs The only thing that's better than MARC is more MARC! 2011-02-08 10:46:59 sesuncedu charper: all you need is a data model... 2011-02-08 10:47:00 kcoyle she's talking about the rda vocabs in rdf http://metadataregistry.org/rdabrowse.htm 2011-02-08 10:47:05 bmljenny What is she accusing us of? 2011-02-08 10:47:05 fyodor RDA in MARC is not worth shit 2011-02-08 10:47:17 BillDueber akorphan: "used to it" doesn't appreciate the scale of it. MARC is the language catalogers use "in their heads." It's the undercurrent of the library world's entire way of thinking about data 2011-02-08 10:47:26 edsu kcoyle: wish she would say that, to make it a bit more concrete 2011-02-08 10:47:27 freqlurker fyodor++ 2011-02-08 10:47:29 kcoyle however, rda in rdf is.... rda in rdf. 2011-02-08 10:47:30 charper edsu: I honestly think it's some flavor of the idea of DC App. Profiles. 2011-02-08 10:47:31 druthb BillDueber++ 2011-02-08 10:47:32 ndushay it turns out that human controlled metadata ... isn't. 2011-02-08 10:47:35 pberry Yo dawg, I hear you like metadata 2011-02-08 10:47:35 decasm_ BillDueber: that explains a lot ... 2011-02-08 10:47:43 gsf @quote add < mbklein> Something Innovative is on the Horizon! 2011-02-08 10:47:44 sesuncedu RDA - Really the Damn AACR3 2011-02-08 10:47:44 charper Combined with useful and well defined sets of metadata properties. 2011-02-08 10:47:45 zoia can i get a witness? 2011-02-08 10:47:47 zoia gsf: The operation succeeded. Quote #2508 added. 2011-02-08 10:47:52 jaf i mean, if you want big change, make a distinction of description for the sake of inventory / management and description for the ability to support discovery, and then identify the bridges that enable access 2011-02-08 10:48:01 anna3lc new don't-be-seen-laughing technique: duck behind head in front of me 2011-02-08 10:48:01 akorphan BillDueber: Point taken. 2011-02-08 10:48:03 charper jaf++ 2011-02-08 10:48:07 fyodor sesuncedu++ 2011-02-08 10:48:10 akorphan chocolate++ 2011-02-08 10:48:14 akorphan edible_tools++ 2011-02-08 10:48:15 dlovins chocolate_tools++ 2011-02-08 10:48:17 freqlurker tummy just rumbled 2011-02-08 10:48:18 anna3lc chocolate++ 2011-02-08 10:48:18 jrochkind actually, i need edible ones 2011-02-08 10:48:19 akorphan chocolate_Rain-- 2011-02-08 10:48:19 BillDueber akorphan: It's like asking, "Why don't programmers just all go to pure functional programming across an indeterminite number of cores for eveytihng"? 2011-02-08 10:48:23 pberry candy++ 2011-02-08 10:48:25 charper sesuncedu: Yes - the data model is the start of it, I think. 2011-02-08 10:48:26 mbklein mbklein ran out of steam trying to work Symphony and Unicorn into the same sentence. 2011-02-08 10:48:27 lbjay @band add Chocolate Tool 2011-02-08 10:48:28 zoia lbjay: Band 'Chocolate Tool' added to list 2011-02-08 10:48:28 MrDys- | @sing Aaliyah : we need a resolution 2011-02-08 10:48:28 timmcgeary timmcgeary started to drool 2011-02-08 10:48:30 gsf @rate real_tools edible_tools 2011-02-08 10:48:30 zoia Am I supposed to change? Are you supposed to change? / Who should be hurt? Will we remain? / You need a resolution, I need a resolution, / We need a resolution, We have so much confusion. 2011-02-08 10:48:32 pberry @love candy 2011-02-08 10:48:33 zoia gsf: real tools: 10.0; edible tools: ?. real tools rocks! 2011-02-08 10:48:35 zoia pberry: The operation succeeded. pberry loves candy. 2011-02-08 10:48:35 bmljenny We would eat our own dog food more if it were chocolate. 2011-02-08 10:48:36 sekjal editable_complex_tools++ 2011-02-08 10:48:39 scolford can you pull a rotten tooth with chocolate pliers? 2011-02-08 10:48:43 BillDueber BillDueber is at 19% battery and dropping... 2011-02-08 10:48:44 mbklein lbjay: There used to be a store in Allston that would make those for you. 2011-02-08 10:48:45 decasm_ BillDueber: yeah, why don't programmers do that? 2011-02-08 10:49:02 fyodor totally distracted by sugar craving now... what were we talking about? 2011-02-08 10:49:04 sekjal not_enough_caffeine_to_make_any_sense-- 2011-02-08 10:49:04 anna3lc this is why we don't move beyond toy projects. chocolate and bacon come along. 2011-02-08 10:49:04 pberry I wonder if John Candy invented candy... 2011-02-08 10:49:05 BillDueber decasm: Because it's hard, and I'm old. 2011-02-08 10:49:08 akorphan @sing Allstonians : B-train to Allston 2011-02-08 10:49:10 zoia akorphan: No lyrics found for B-train to Allston by Allstonians 2011-02-08 10:49:16 akorphan zoia-- 2011-02-08 10:49:21 decasm_ BillDueber: i guess that answers both questions. 2011-02-08 10:49:23 ecorrado A huger challenge is how much it is going to cost to do all this and how libraries with budget cuts (esp. smaller publics) are going to be able to afford it 2011-02-08 10:49:23 yitznewton pberry: candy invented John Candy 2011-02-08 10:49:27 willkurt BillDueber: but thinking in marc is a little more like if we all still used COBOL 2011-02-08 10:49:40 ecorrado also, having systems that can deal with RDA sans MARC 2011-02-08 10:49:42 pberry yitznewton: It makes sense, right 2011-02-08 10:49:42 BigD abarrera ate the tools 2011-02-08 10:49:44 BillDueber willkurt: Ex LIbris products still do. 2011-02-08 10:49:45 dchud dchud fires off email to folks at LC who would know where the data is 2011-02-08 10:49:45 charper willkurt: some of us Aleph shops basically do! 2011-02-08 10:49:47 erikhatcher orange whip? orange whip? 2011-02-08 10:49:52 druthb COBOL....*shudders* 2011-02-08 10:49:52 yitznewton willkurt: oh, wait 2011-02-08 10:50:00 dlovins ecorrado++ 2011-02-08 10:50:02 ecorrado los of COBOL still out there 2011-02-08 10:50:03 mbklein pberry: Did Melvil Dui invent driving drunk? 2011-02-08 10:50:03 timmcgeary mbklein: sounds like a music composition issue - writing a Medley from a Symphony based on a Unicorn 2011-02-08 10:50:03 abarrera BigD ate all his fresh jokes 2011-02-08 10:50:03 edsu charper: there ya go 2011-02-08 10:50:04 druthb I'd rather type my fingers off in IRC, than writing COBOL code. 2011-02-08 10:50:11 BillDueber BillDueber is a strong believer in a two-state solution. Leave the current MARC as MARC and make new stuff better. 2011-02-08 10:50:12 yitznewton @cyborg COBOL 2011-02-08 10:50:12 ranti ranti suddenly thinks wallmart inventory style to replace MARC 2011-02-08 10:50:13 zoia yitznewton: C.O.B.O.L.: Cybernetic Operational Battle and Observation Lifeform 2011-02-08 10:50:15 sesuncedu I had to learn COBOL a few years ago 2011-02-08 10:50:24 pmurray 170 people in channel. 2011-02-08 10:50:29 pberry @Ana 2011-02-08 10:50:30 mbklein channel++ 2011-02-08 10:50:30 zoia pberry: Error: I tried to send you an empty message. 2011-02-08 10:50:35 MrDys- | @Ana bloody Marc 2011-02-08 10:50:35 charper gdunsire++ 2011-02-08 10:50:36 zoia MrDys-: Moldy cobra 2011-02-08 10:50:37 ejk I made it one week in my COBOL class 2011-02-08 10:50:40 anna3lc catalogers that figure it out become coders who can not figure out how to relate to catalogers. 2011-02-08 10:50:42 pberry @ana COBOL 2011-02-08 10:50:43 zoia pberry: Error: I tried to send you an empty message. 2011-02-08 10:50:48 davidWalker somewhere an Aleph programmer sheds a tear 2011-02-08 10:50:51 pberry :/ 2011-02-08 10:50:52 anna3lc s/that/who 2011-02-08 10:50:53 druthb BillDueber: we may have to create a two-state solution...a system that allows the old farts to keep thinking in MARC, but backend tools to slice-and-dice. 2011-02-08 10:51:00 ejk one week of COBOL was one week too many 2011-02-08 10:51:00 bmljenny No cat, no cradle. 2011-02-08 10:51:01 rsinger @band add The Moldy Cobra 2011-02-08 10:51:02 zoia rsinger: Band 'The Moldy Cobra' added to list 2011-02-08 10:51:05 mbklein @ana resource description & access 2011-02-08 10:51:06 zoia mbklein: Capricious, decent sorceress 2011-02-08 10:51:09 sesuncedu To explain why an IBM mainframe ought to be able to append more than 20 lines to a file per second 2011-02-08 10:51:13 pberry Sounds like virtual directories 2011-02-08 10:51:14 timmcgeary druthb: come over to the OLE side 2011-02-08 10:51:17 mbklein zoia++ 2011-02-08 10:51:21 BillDueber druthb: Too true. A system that stored, internally, sane data, but could output MARC is the most obvious transsition path. 2011-02-08 10:51:23 sesuncedu Aleph used to be Mainframe only 2011-02-08 10:51:29 anna3lc diagrams++ 2011-02-08 10:51:30 akorphan I think we should do all our programming in APL. 2011-02-08 10:51:32 yitznewton druthb: i think "they" tried that and realized 'taint so easy to slice n dice marc 2011-02-08 10:51:39 BillDueber sesuncedu++ # I didn't know that. 2011-02-08 10:51:39 gsf the FR family, or framily 2011-02-08 10:51:44 rsinger you all are talking too much, btw - please hold your little library nerd get-together sometime when i'm more distractable, kthx 2011-02-08 10:51:47 yitznewton at least cataloger-generated marc 2011-02-08 10:51:50 atz_ sounds like a rap crew.... "ifla, in the RFA family" 2011-02-08 10:51:54 charper gsf++ 2011-02-08 10:51:55 royt ISBD-- 2011-02-08 10:51:57 MrDys- | gsf++ 2011-02-08 10:51:59 edsu rsinger: you watchin' livestream? 2011-02-08 10:52:00 charper The Framily! 2011-02-08 10:52:03 rsinger edsu: no 2011-02-08 10:52:06 mbklein charper++ 2011-02-08 10:52:10 kcoyle yeah framily 2011-02-08 10:52:11 timmcgeary ginzo4lib - community building tools to slice n dice MARC 2011-02-08 10:52:14 jrochkind edsu: are you here in indiana? 2011-02-08 10:52:15 edsu rsinger: it's shockingly good 2011-02-08 10:52:16 royt we are fated to spend the rest of our natural born lives trying to overcome ISBD 2011-02-08 10:52:16 rsinger 2 MUCH 2 DU 2011-02-08 10:52:19 druthb yitznewton: Then "we" need to try again, and *keep* trying. Saying "it can't be done" is a waste of a good crisis. 2011-02-08 10:52:20 sesuncedu FRSAD 2011-02-08 10:52:22 pberry Oracle does this identity stuff in their own database, but offer and ldap query interface. Imagine that for metadata 2011-02-08 10:52:26 edsu jrochkind: no, alas 2011-02-08 10:52:30 pberry Or does that already exist 2011-02-08 10:52:31 rsinger edsu: oh yeah? 2011-02-08 10:52:31 mbklein @who cares if rsinger is distracted? 2011-02-08 10:52:32 zoia tekonivel cares if rsinger is distracted. 2011-02-08 10:52:32 ecorrado does any ILS actually store BIB records only in MARC? 2011-02-08 10:52:37 paulalbert Quotable from RDA critic Michael Gorman: "This is the witches’ brew of ignorance, neophilia, and the exaltation of theory over practice that given birth to the draft Resource description and access III(RDA)." 2011-02-08 10:52:38 jaf i would love a follow-up talk by Diane on cataloging practice in relation to discovery 2011-02-08 10:52:45 edsu rsinger: yeah dude, http://www.indiana.edu/~video/stream/liveflash.html?filename=C4L2011_session_1 2011-02-08 10:52:48 akorphan I can't remember what ISBD covers besides punctuation 2011-02-08 10:52:50 royt ISBD-- 2011-02-08 10:52:57 freqlurker Thank God Gorman isn't reactionary 2011-02-08 10:52:58 royt akorphan: that's basically it 2011-02-08 10:53:07 yitznewton druthb: well that's the question, no: whether to reteach the cataloging sector, or continue on with marc. when *do* we move past marc? 2011-02-08 10:53:08 BillDueber ecorrado: Well, not "only". 2011-02-08 10:53:09 rsinger edsu: it'll be archived, right? 2011-02-08 10:53:10 atz_ ecorrado: they base their extraction of data (to tables) on MARC structure 2011-02-08 10:53:11 dlovins paulalbert++ 2011-02-08 10:53:14 ecorrado I don't normally like Michael Gorman, but I Agree with that statement 2011-02-08 10:53:16 akorphan royt: then... it's not... data. 2011-02-08 10:53:24 royt akorphan: exactly 2011-02-08 10:53:29 ecorrado atz_: true, but noit stored as MARC is my point 2011-02-08 10:53:29 kcoyle ISBD is about "areas" of the catalog entry 2011-02-08 10:53:32 charper royt: akorphan: ISBD actually had a core set of data elements, too. The puncuation was there to support them. 2011-02-08 10:53:34 edsu rsinger: yeah, so you can cherry pick the good ones later i guess 2011-02-08 10:53:36 pberry Old/new == false dichotomy? 2011-02-08 10:53:36 BillDueber yitznewton: The same time we start paying down the debt and reducing greenhouse gases. "Later" 2011-02-08 10:53:39 mbklein paulalbert: To quote Nigel Tufnel, "That's just nitpicking, innit?" 2011-02-08 10:53:40 jrochkind akorphan: theoretially ISBD is actually a schema/data vocabulary. It delineates the discrete data elements of bibliographic metadata. And it does it just the way people in 1950 would have done it. 2011-02-08 10:53:52 ecorrado a lot of the complaints about not being able to easily parse MARC are bogus in my book 2011-02-08 10:54:05 rsinger edsu: WILL YOU BE MY QUALITY CURATOR, THANKS. 2011-02-08 10:54:05 pberry mbklein: I'm not being pedantic, I'm being correct 2011-02-08 10:54:06 kcoyle jrochkind ISBD does it the way Cutter would have done it in 1848 2011-02-08 10:54:07 decasm_ ecorrado: your book is wrong 2011-02-08 10:54:14 eby ecorrado: Evergreen stores the bib as serialized Marc XML i believe and extracts things that are needed. At least that was how it was explained to me 2011-02-08 10:54:15 charper jrochkind: thank you for explainin that better than my attempt... 2011-02-08 10:54:15 jrochkind kcoyle++ true 2011-02-08 10:54:19 edsu livestream lightning talks is going to be good, i think 2011-02-08 10:54:21 gsf decasm++ 2011-02-08 10:54:24 sesuncedu http://community.livejournal.com/lolbrarians/14634.html 2011-02-08 10:54:27 druthb yitznewton: I concur; The problem is that when you have a sixty-year cataloger in the field who panics hearing the word "metadata"--not knowing that's what she's been *doing* for all these years--you have a whole 'nuther sort of problem. 2011-02-08 10:54:29 jaf i think dhillman's earlier point about testing what the data needs to be supporting is the most important point 2011-02-08 10:54:31 bmljenny A lot of legacy data just needs to go away. 2011-02-08 10:54:35 royt royt plants a bomb to blow up the damage that is ISBD 2011-02-08 10:54:35 BillDueber ecorrado: agreed. Parsing MARC is a solved problem. Restricting the data to a two-level kv store is the problem. 2011-02-08 10:54:36 akorphan If we can come up with a non-serial data format, we don't need field delimiter. 2011-02-08 10:54:36 druthb ....and there are *lots* of such beings out there. 2011-02-08 10:54:36 paulalbert @mbklein :) 2011-02-08 10:54:36 akorphan s 2011-02-08 10:54:37 zoia paulalbert: Not now, I'm building Skynet. 2011-02-08 10:54:43 sesuncedu http://community.livejournal.com/lolbrarians/15196.html 2011-02-08 10:54:44 rsinger ecorrado: you mean "marc" or the "shit shoved in a marc record"? 2011-02-08 10:54:44 akorphan Oh wait,w e have one of those. 2011-02-08 10:54:46 BillDueber ecorrado: s/the problem/a part of the problem/ 2011-02-08 10:54:47 sekjal MARC is just a view... a very complex, obnoxious view. 2011-02-08 10:54:47 eefcee the early error was including ISBD in MARC, that made it very hard to treat MARC as data because it was also encumbered with formatting, essentially. Icky. 2011-02-08 10:54:48 alxp when she says 'naomi' does she mean ndushay ? 2011-02-08 10:54:51 dchud most of us are already doing it too. 2011-02-08 10:54:52 jrochkind charper: nah, you did fine too, we were just typing at the same time 2011-02-08 10:54:53 mcdonald We have a couple more slots for lightning talks today 2011-02-08 10:54:53 scolford zoia++ 2011-02-08 10:54:57 alxp \half paying attention 2011-02-08 10:54:58 druthb sekjal++ 2011-02-08 10:54:59 dlovins Anyone here from Open Library? Haven't you solved some of this already (e.g., data statements vs. records) 2011-02-08 10:54:59 jaf otherwise it's just data description for data description's sake, regardless of standard or vocabulary 2011-02-08 10:55:03 atz_ XC has starting something!? 2011-02-08 10:55:06 timmcgeary Will there be bottled water around at the break? 2011-02-08 10:55:06 decasm_ parsing iso2709 is cake. MARC is horrible. 2011-02-08 10:55:09 anarchivist provenance++ 2011-02-08 10:55:09 royt punctuation doesn't equate to granularity 2011-02-08 10:55:15 gsf alxp: yes 2011-02-08 10:55:19 sesuncedu provenance++ 2011-02-08 10:55:21 alxp nice 2011-02-08 10:55:22 jrochkind timmcgeary: more importantly, will there be non-decaf coffee? 2011-02-08 10:55:25 ndushay i think what we discovered is that remediating metadata, even computationally, is perhaps non-scalable. 2011-02-08 10:55:26 alxp ndushay++ 2011-02-08 10:55:26 sesuncedu EAD not so much 2011-02-08 10:55:31 yitznewton druthb: well, it's going to be a gradual process in any case, so the luddites will have time to rotate & retire out as the new are initiated in the future.. (boy that was vague) 2011-02-08 10:55:35 ndushay thanks alxp 2011-02-08 10:55:43 jeff marcxml that doesn't break pymarc... but run through MARC::File::XML and output as MARC21 it breaks pymarc. 2011-02-08 10:55:45 dchud s/statements/links/ imho 2011-02-08 10:55:45 kcoyle @dlovins: OL uses key/value pairs, but it works much like RDF 2011-02-08 10:55:46 dlovins touche, ndushay 2011-02-08 10:55:46 sesuncedu ndushay: It's a lot more doable than is done 2011-02-08 10:55:47 zoia kcoyle: hold still plz trying to verify ur checksum 2011-02-08 10:55:49 pberry Never trust user data 2011-02-08 10:55:49 jrochkind ndushay: remediating legacy? yeah. But can we stop spending expensive human cataloger hours on creating additional useless metadata? please? 2011-02-08 10:55:49 pmurray This slide is spot on! 2011-02-08 10:55:50 timmcgeary jrochkind: I could use water before my talk, but hope you can find caffeine 2011-02-08 10:56:02 mbklein @quote add i think what we discovered is that remediating metadata, even computationally, is perhaps non-scalable. 2011-02-08 10:56:02 zoia mbklein: The operation succeeded. Quote #2509 added. 2011-02-08 10:56:02 scolford dchud++ 2011-02-08 10:56:03 atz_ less centralized distro/data-share is certainly wortwhile 2011-02-08 10:56:13 pberry Lest little Bobby tables starts submitting records 2011-02-08 10:56:15 dlovins kcoyle: thanks. 2011-02-08 10:56:16 ndushay the wild inconsistencies make this very hard 2011-02-08 10:56:17 ecorrado rsinger: i sees issues with AACR2 (like punctuation) 2011-02-08 10:56:23 sesuncedu OL is triple-storeish at the bottom 2011-02-08 10:56:27 dchud little Bobby tables++ 2011-02-08 10:56:32 jaf add one additional challenge: demonstrate that description enhances disxcovery, or other needed services 2011-02-08 10:56:35 druthb yitznewton: yep. Working for An Evil Vendor, though, I know good and well how much influence those old coots--even *after* retirement--have on purchasing and implementing decisions. 2011-02-08 10:56:36 rsinger sesuncedu: more document store-ish 2011-02-08 10:56:40 alxp the squeezed aspect ratio of the screen makes the font in her slides look really interesting 2011-02-08 10:56:43 dlovins So why aren't we talking more about OL as a model to follow? 2011-02-08 10:56:50 charper dchud: statements are in a way relationships, ergo links, right? 2011-02-08 10:56:52 dchud i call photoshop 2011-02-08 10:56:52 ndushay my life in the NSDL can be summed up: "metadata is dead! long live metadata!" 2011-02-08 10:56:54 akorphan aww... 2011-02-08 10:57:02 BillDueber Wait, are we the dog or the cat? 2011-02-08 10:57:02 jaf wait, who are the cats and who are the dogs? :) 2011-02-08 10:57:04 freqlurker programmers are the dog 2011-02-08 10:57:05 ndushay can't we all just get along? 2011-02-08 10:57:06 pberry Cats and dogs living together...MASS HYSTERIA 2011-02-08 10:57:07 jaf jinx! 2011-02-08 10:57:08 ecorrado ecorrado not sure he agres the cost of no chane os more then the cost of change in this case 2011-02-08 10:57:09 druthb BillDueber: yes. 2011-02-08 10:57:11 timmcgeary OLE is going to be document store-ish 2011-02-08 10:57:13 dlovins kittens++ 2011-02-08 10:57:16 akorphan OLE! 2011-02-08 10:57:16 ejk dawww 2011-02-08 10:57:18 sesuncedu the cats are the vampires 2011-02-08 10:57:18 morgan8 All the keyboard clicks in here sound like rain. 2011-02-08 10:57:20 dchud charper: i meant the web specifically, so if you're down with that, yeah, then :) 2011-02-08 10:57:26 jrochkind dchud: it's all you! 2011-02-08 10:57:38 ndushay we need to work in ONE silo!!!! 2011-02-08 10:57:39 yitznewton druthb: i hear it. i think the grass-roots nature of c4l is a good counter to that effect from the other direction.. worlds take a while to move in the end 2011-02-08 10:57:42 sesuncedu I want a silo 2011-02-08 10:57:42 akorphan Keyboard rain / Some stay dry but others feel the pain 2011-02-08 10:57:43 gsf sekjal: agreed MARC is one view of the data, at one time useful for transmission between systems 2011-02-08 10:57:45 kcoyle OL isn't perfect, but it can be played with - OSS 2011-02-08 10:57:48 anarchivist ndushay: there is no silo 2011-02-08 10:57:48 mbklein @dunno add DELETE FROM whatever_you_said WHERE point = FALSE; 2011-02-08 10:57:49 zoia mbklein: The operation succeeded. Dunno #1119 added. 2011-02-08 10:57:52 royt dchud: she's talking cat+code 2011-02-08 10:57:54 atz_ ndushay: One Silo, One Bucket 2011-02-08 10:57:58 akorphan Do we need a silo or a bucket? 2011-02-08 10:57:58 jrochkind ndushay: can i not work in a silo please? 2011-02-08 10:58:01 BillDueber Cue the "wakka-chicka" music 2011-02-08 10:58:01 MrDys- | that's a fat cat 2011-02-08 10:58:01 escowles code-and-data4lib 2011-02-08 10:58:02 mbklein @dunno remove 1119 2011-02-08 10:58:02 zoia mbklein: The operation succeeded. 2011-02-08 10:58:04 kcoyle the universe is the silo 2011-02-08 10:58:05 scolford mbklein++ 2011-02-08 10:58:09 mbklein @dunno add DELETE FROM whatever_you_said WHERE point IS NULL; 2011-02-08 10:58:09 zoia mbklein: The operation succeeded. Dunno #1120 added. 2011-02-08 10:58:10 dlovins metadata4lib++ 2011-02-08 10:58:12 paulalbert "Let's do more than get along" == my favorite pick up line 2011-02-08 10:58:15 fyodor enough inter-species relations 2011-02-08 10:58:15 ejk silo4lib 2011-02-08 10:58:19 gsf kcoyle: is OL still on top of thingDB? 2011-02-08 10:58:22 sesuncedu royt: My cat is moar into hardware 2011-02-08 10:58:24 jaf dhillman++ 2011-02-08 10:58:24 edsu yay, questions! 2011-02-08 10:58:24 rsinger @band add Silo and Bucket 2011-02-08 10:58:25 zoia rsinger: Band 'Silo and Bucket' added to list 2011-02-08 10:58:26 ndushay that's ecorrado_, yes? 2011-02-08 10:58:27 MrDys- | mic crew represent 2011-02-08 10:58:31 codemart so im supposed to have sex with a cataloger??? 2011-02-08 10:58:32 yitznewton people_with_microphones++ 2011-02-08 10:58:34 charper code4data, AKA code_cat_bucket 2011-02-08 10:58:35 mbklein fyodor: Yeah, I didn't know this was one of *those* conferences. 2011-02-08 10:58:35 sekjal 8% battery remaining.... 2011-02-08 10:58:37 kcoyle @gsf more or less. there have been some changes 2011-02-08 10:58:37 pberry No 2011-02-08 10:58:38 zoia kcoyle: Dudes! Did You See the Library They've Got Here? http://www.mcsweeneys.net/2008/9/29yoder.html 2011-02-08 10:58:39 druthb yitznewton: yep. the symbiotic relationshp between vendors and FOSS communities--as they develop--will show us the good and bad examples to follow for all this stuff. 2011-02-08 10:58:39 decasm_ 15 dollars to change 2011-02-08 10:58:47 timmcgeary codemart: no - just snuggle 2011-02-08 10:58:49 knickum yeah, 15% battery remaining cmon! 2011-02-08 10:58:49 royt hey, that's Ed! 2011-02-08 10:58:50 dchud http://www.loc.gov/catdir/cpso/RDAtest/rdatestrecords.html <-- the RDA test data. GO FOR IT. 2011-02-08 10:58:50 yitznewton men_without_hats++ 2011-02-08 10:58:56 jrochkind codemart: only if you're lucky 2011-02-08 10:58:57 edsu how much are they paying now? 2011-02-08 10:58:58 druthb yitznewton: The current vendor-knows-best model sucks rocks. 2011-02-08 10:59:01 mbklein Still at 59%. brand_new_macbook_pro++ 2011-02-08 10:59:08 BillDueber One...MILLLION dollars! 2011-02-08 10:59:09 royt royt prepares to clap vigorously 2011-02-08 10:59:11 dbs druthb: like between Equinox and Evergreen? or between ByWater Solutions and Catalyst and Koha? 2011-02-08 10:59:11 timmcgeary spooning4lib 2011-02-08 10:59:12 fumi fumi needs power 2011-02-08 10:59:12 decasm_ 64% linux++ 2011-02-08 10:59:17 pberry 83% iPad ftw 2011-02-08 10:59:22 akorphan 100% outlet++ 2011-02-08 10:59:30 BillDueber outlet+ 2011-02-08 10:59:31 davidWalker akorphan++ 2011-02-08 10:59:31 fyodor I really like D.Hillman, but her starry-eyed vendor-worship dries me nuts 2011-02-08 10:59:39 asnagy brand new battery in my macbook pro (0:01) remaining - apple_battery-- 2011-02-08 10:59:45 decasm_ @ana dries me nuts 2011-02-08 10:59:46 zoia decasm_: Mere nudists 2011-02-08 10:59:49 ejk 100% Desktop + Live Stream 2011-02-08 10:59:53 decasm_ zoia++ 2011-02-08 10:59:54 BillDueber fyodor: A robust vendor market would be a huge, huge win. 2011-02-08 10:59:57 timmcgeary decasm_++ 2011-02-08 11:00:00 druthb dbs: Those are decent examples, IMO. (and I work for ByWater, in the interest of disclosure). LibLime and PTFS with Koha are, IMO, examples of things that can go horribly wrong. 2011-02-08 11:00:03 jrochkind fyodor: i don't get that at all, she's no fan of our vendors. 2011-02-08 11:00:05 davidWalker live_stream++ 2011-02-08 11:00:06 freqlurker contentdm-- 2011-02-08 11:00:08 rsinger 100% desktop + back channel 2011-02-08 11:00:09 mbklein We as a community need to devote more resources to our lolgsf collection. 2011-02-08 11:00:13 sesuncedu stream... Keurig downstairs, 100% power, and single malts in easy access 2011-02-08 11:00:14 anarchivist http://malcolmgladwellbookgenerator.com/ 2011-02-08 11:00:14 sibylschaefer contentdm -- 2011-02-08 11:00:17 ejk live_stream++ 2011-02-08 11:00:17 edsu dchud: but, but that's MARC :-) 2011-02-08 11:00:19 eefcee live_stream++ 2011-02-08 11:00:25 timmcgeary BoyScouts4Lib 2011-02-08 11:00:25 akorphan So here's the thing. When vendors feel threatened, they like to sue (grounded or not). Witness that OCLC suit kerfuffle. 2011-02-08 11:00:26 yitznewton live_stream++ 2011-02-08 11:00:27 pberry I start working with contentdm when i get back 2011-02-08 11:00:34 yitznewton contentdm-- 2011-02-08 11:00:36 pberry Hooray... 2011-02-08 11:00:36 sesuncedu There's training here in McLean for getting information out of people in old-folks comes 2011-02-08 11:00:38 dan64 contentdm-- 2011-02-08 11:00:39 sesuncedu DiscontentDM 2011-02-08 11:00:44 dbs druthb: shh, let us not utter those names 2011-02-08 11:00:46 yitznewton sesuncedu++ 2011-02-08 11:00:46 sesuncedu KMFContentDM 2011-02-08 11:00:47 pberry You guys are killing me 2011-02-08 11:00:48 gsf sesuncedu++ 2011-02-08 11:00:51 jrochkind sesuncedu: that's kinda awesome 2011-02-08 11:00:55 mbklein anarchivist++ That's awesome. 2011-02-08 11:00:56 BillDueber Powering down... 2011-02-08 11:00:58 pberry sesuncedu++ 2011-02-08 11:01:00 fyodor jrochkind: everytime I hear her talk to catalogers she says "talk to your vendors - tell them what you need" why not tell them to talk to their programmers? or the open-source community 2011-02-08 11:01:08 druthb dbs: ;-) 2011-02-08 11:01:21 freqlurker who says that the vendors listen? 2011-02-08 11:01:21 pberry KMFDM jokes ftw 2011-02-08 11:01:26 gsf fyodor: well she seems to be saying that now -- at least the talk to programmers part 2011-02-08 11:01:41 kcoyle fyodor: there's this concept that libraries all have to make change in lock-step. we need to change that 2011-02-08 11:01:44 ejk @cyborg KMFDM 2011-02-08 11:01:45 akorphan When you code with OPEN SOURCE, you code with SOCIALISM! 2011-02-08 11:01:45 zoia ejk: K.M.F.D.M.: Kinetic Mechanical Forbidden Destruction Machine 2011-02-08 11:01:46 charper fyodor: vendords have so much clout in this. Her point is they're the biggest roadblock to changing this right now because we have so much vested in them. 2011-02-08 11:01:49 pberry Ha 2011-02-08 11:01:52 fyodor gsf: I know, I'm happy she's here 2011-02-08 11:01:52 timmcgeary troublemakers++ 2011-02-08 11:02:00 yitznewton kcoyle++ 2011-02-08 11:02:08 akorphan TRADITION! 2011-02-08 11:02:10 lbjay /join #trouble 2011-02-08 11:02:16 codemart questioning = troublemaking? 2011-02-08 11:02:18 decasm_ gluejar++ representin' the peanut gallery 2011-02-08 11:02:18 edsu seems to me the small libraries could benefit by being able to do original cataloging, that isn't just getting data from a vendor and not understanding it at all 2011-02-08 11:02:22 royt sweet, a room shot! 2011-02-08 11:02:29 ejk Room shot! Hi everybody! 2011-02-08 11:02:30 yitznewton @karma iii 2011-02-08 11:02:31 zoia yitznewton: Karma for "iii" has been increased 3 times and decreased 130 times for a total karma of -127. 2011-02-08 11:02:31 royt wave to me, folks 2011-02-08 11:02:32 pberry We've always done it this way 2011-02-08 11:02:39 edsu but the bar to doing original cataloging is too high 2011-02-08 11:02:39 sesuncedu royt: better than a money shot 2011-02-08 11:02:44 mbklein MalcontentDM <-- Best place to store submissions from tenured faculty 2011-02-08 11:02:47 royt sesuncedu: heh 2011-02-08 11:02:48 druthb edsu++ 2011-02-08 11:02:52 timmcgeary shoot - missed my "Hi Mom" chance 2011-02-08 11:02:54 sekjal and that's the end of my battery 2011-02-08 11:02:55 sesuncedu @Who increased iii karma 2011-02-08 11:02:56 zoia jaf increased iii karma. 2011-02-08 11:03:03 jaf say what? 2011-02-08 11:03:04 mbklein @whocares iii 2011-02-08 11:03:06 royt jaf-- 2011-02-08 11:03:06 zoia mbklein, robcaSSon, eby, sesuncedu, anarchivist and davidWalker hate iii 2011-02-08 11:03:13 mbklein @wholoves iii 2011-02-08 11:03:15 zoia mbklein: I can't find anyone who loves iii. 2011-02-08 11:03:20 sesuncedu zoia++ 2011-02-08 11:03:21 akorphan zoia++ 2011-02-08 11:03:22 kcoyle we spend huge amounts on cataloging, and have no way to measure if it works 2011-02-08 11:03:23 eby edsu: Not too high. I think half our time is deleting shit from copy cataloging 2011-02-08 11:03:25 royt jaf++ # sorry, that was uncalled for 2011-02-08 11:03:26 scolford zoia++ 2011-02-08 11:03:29 kcoyle if it helps users find anything 2011-02-08 11:03:34 edsu eby: :-) 2011-02-08 11:03:34 sesuncedu kcoyle: yes we do. It doesn't. 2011-02-08 11:03:43 gsf edsu: totally agreed, especially for collections with a good portion of less common items 2011-02-08 11:03:53 edsu sometimes i worry that linkeddata is raising the bar too high as well :-} 2011-02-08 11:03:58 mbklein @caresabout marc 2011-02-08 11:04:00 druthb edsu: that is *huge* for me. If small libraries can be given a batch of really decent tools for doing this the new way, cheap and easy, they will, in time, start to, and it'll grow very organically and collaboratively. 2011-02-08 11:04:00 zoia mbklein: marc doesn't seem to care about anything. 2011-02-08 11:04:00 anarchivist @ana gi ay ay blues 2011-02-08 11:04:01 zoia anarchivist: I abuse gayly 2011-02-08 11:04:04 mbklein @whocares marc 2011-02-08 11:04:06 zoia mbklein, robcaSSon, dbs and rob_desk hate marc 2011-02-08 11:04:09 charper edsu++ //couldn't agree more 2011-02-08 11:04:18 anarchivist @love marc 2011-02-08 11:04:19 anna3lc catalogers become data curators 2011-02-08 11:04:20 kcoyle small libraries can take their data from Amazon 2011-02-08 11:04:20 zoia anarchivist: The operation succeeded. anarchivist loves marc. 2011-02-08 11:04:21 royt that's why OCLC is going upstream to collect the data from the publishers - why should we start from scratch? 2011-02-08 11:04:22 akorphan OK, here's a question: should the same people who take the data OUT of the resource be the same people who put it IN the computerized data structure? (This may be a stupid question but I thought it was worth asking) 2011-02-08 11:04:24 jaf it seems that as libraries focus more on their special collections, there is an opportunity to look at archival practices in conjunction with library descriptive practices and see if catalogers might shift over to those collections 2011-02-08 11:04:29 kcoyle it's free, it's up to date 2011-02-08 11:04:30 BigD Little dog or big cat? 2011-02-08 11:04:38 timmcgeary warm_and_fuzzy++ 2011-02-08 11:04:39 edsu druthb: yes, that's what i meant to say 2011-02-08 11:04:50 jaron jaf: yes. 2011-02-08 11:04:57 pberry She was against it before she was for it! 2011-02-08 11:04:58 edsu edsu wishes questioners who would say who they are for those of us following on at home 2011-02-08 11:04:58 sesuncedu anna3lc: digital curators become catalogers. 2011-02-08 11:05:14 edsu "It was before they started paying me to work on it." 2011-02-08 11:05:17 mbklein "Berating things to make them better": AKA BigD's management style 2011-02-08 11:05:18 edsu edsu-- 2011-02-08 11:05:18 gregjansen jaf++ 2011-02-08 11:05:20 helrond jaf: is already happening... 2011-02-08 11:05:24 mbklein edsu++ 2011-02-08 11:05:26 druthb edsu++ 2011-02-08 11:05:28 sesuncedu No surrender, No surrender, no surrender to the RDA 2011-02-08 11:05:42 anarchivist archival descriptive practices are fucking garbage 2011-02-08 11:05:46 freqlurker @sing my mind ain't so open by magazine 2011-02-08 11:05:46 anna3lc sesuncedu: that won't be seen as a deal-breaking demotion? 2011-02-08 11:05:48 zoia freqlurker: No songs found by my mind ain't so open by magazine 2011-02-08 11:05:50 akorphan open the door, get on the floor, everybody walk the dinosaur 2011-02-08 11:05:51 gsf kcoyle: could OL ever become an open union catalog for small libraries? 2011-02-08 11:05:53 jaron anarchivist++ 2011-02-08 11:05:54 dchud dchud already got a response. asking if there are additional caveats, if feedback would be helpful, etc. lots of people got cc'd. will update. 2011-02-08 11:05:56 yitznewton crazy_stuff++ 2011-02-08 11:05:58 royt i think RDA is still broken 2011-02-08 11:06:02 timmcgeary dhillman kicking ass first, asking questions second 2011-02-08 11:06:04 mjg_ ain't we supposed to be in Alumni Hall? 2011-02-08 11:06:13 royt but it's too late, ALA needs to make their money on it 2011-02-08 11:06:14 charper anarchivist: is there any possibility for them to become less disgusting? 2011-02-08 11:06:14 akorphan mjg_: after the break 2011-02-08 11:06:17 bmljenny Would the results of the collaboration we're looking at be pittens or kuppies? 2011-02-08 11:06:18 timmcgeary mjg_: after this 2011-02-08 11:06:18 kcoyle @gsf OL doesn't recognize things like holdings -- some changes would be needed 2011-02-08 11:06:19 mbklein @quote add archival descriptive practices are fucking garbage 2011-02-08 11:06:19 zoia mbklein: The operation succeeded. Quote #2510 added. 2011-02-08 11:06:20 zoia kcoyle: Malkovich malkovich Malkovich malkovich malkovich malkovich Malkovich malkovich 2011-02-08 11:06:21 BigD Ha, mjg_ just got up 2011-02-08 11:06:21 sesuncedu anarchivist: A Dog ate my DACS 2011-02-08 11:06:27 mjg_ BigD: totally. :) 2011-02-08 11:06:29 anarchivist charper: convince my better half that i should do a ph.d. :) 2011-02-08 11:06:39 gregjansen s/archival descriptive practices/archivists/ 2011-02-08 11:06:47 anarchivist gregjansen-- 2011-02-08 11:06:47 helrond charper: only if anarchivist stops being so lazy 2011-02-08 11:06:49 charper anarchivist: things like EAC are an improvement, right? 2011-02-08 11:06:50 mjg_ we must be running late, then. glad things are as they always are. :) 2011-02-08 11:06:54 sesuncedu anarchivist: run away 2011-02-08 11:06:54 yitznewton gregjansen-- 2011-02-08 11:07:00 gregjansen heh 2011-02-08 11:07:00 edsu who is asking the questions? 2011-02-08 11:07:00 yitznewton let's get ready to rumble 2011-02-08 11:07:01 anarchivist charper: yeah, we should talk about EAC 2011-02-08 11:07:02 BigD anarchivist: Convince me you have a better half 2011-02-08 11:07:03 sesuncedu gregjansen: I know where you live 2011-02-08 11:07:06 mbklein Do we need ecorrado manning the gong? 2011-02-08 11:07:15 akorphan anarchivist: do you have an evil twin named catarchivist? 2011-02-08 11:07:19 edsu &gong; 2011-02-08 11:07:21 helrond BigD: wait, haven't you met me? 2011-02-08 11:07:27 royt akorphan++ 2011-02-08 11:07:43 ecorrado ecorrado still wonders if we don't know the cost of change, we can't say the cost of change is less then the cost of change 2011-02-08 11:07:54 anarchivist charper: it finally made sense to me recently about how it fits with an archival conception of the world 2011-02-08 11:08:01 mbklein @who can vouch for anarchivist's better half? 2011-02-08 11:08:01 zoia tzhaya can vouch for anarchivist's better half. 2011-02-08 11:08:04 sesuncedu 㢬 2011-02-08 11:08:30 scolford ecorrado: I think it was just that we can't assume the reverse either argument for stasis or change. 2011-02-08 11:08:32 mbklein When do we find out who won Elsevier's pile o' cash? 2011-02-08 11:08:35 edsu livestream++ # sorry for repeating myself 2011-02-08 11:08:46 timmcgeary mbklein: come again? 2011-02-08 11:08:53 akorphan in related news, why isn't "analog" the opposite of "catalog"? 2011-02-08 11:08:54 ecorrado also, if we don't talk to smaller publics, maybe you can't say they don't want change, but you can't say they do either 2011-02-08 11:09:02 lbjay whoa. aren't we supposed to be sitting in the other hall in like 2 minutes? 2011-02-08 11:09:03 ecorrado and FWIW: I have talkd to smaller publics 2011-02-08 11:09:06 scolford s/reverse/cost of 2011-02-08 11:09:07 pmurray @karma livestream 2011-02-08 11:09:07 zoia pmurray: Karma for "livestream" has been increased 3 times and decreased 0 times for a total karma of 3. 2011-02-08 11:09:08 dlovins We want our tools to be fully backward-compatible and fully open to the future at the same time. Impossible. 2011-02-08 11:09:09 gluejar mbklein: not till march 2011-02-08 11:09:14 fyodor akorphan: dogalog? 2011-02-08 11:09:14 mbklein gluejar: Ah OK 2011-02-08 11:09:20 sesuncedu tagalog 2011-02-08 11:09:22 eefcee @karma live_stream 2011-02-08 11:09:22 ejk @karma live_stream 2011-02-08 11:09:22 zoia eefcee: Karma for "live_stream" has been increased 9 times and decreased 0 times for a total karma of 9. 2011-02-08 11:09:24 zoia ejk: Karma for "live_stream" has been increased 9 times and decreased 0 times for a total karma of 9. 2011-02-08 11:09:27 jaf oops, elm was mistaken for royt! 2011-02-08 11:09:28 sesuncedu live_stream++ 2011-02-08 11:09:29 edsu who dat? 2011-02-08 11:09:30 anarchivist charper: although, the archival conception of the world i'm arguing from is a distinctly australian perspective 2011-02-08 11:09:30 timmcgeary emorgan with the last question 2011-02-08 11:09:32 gsf @damlev royt elm 2011-02-08 11:09:32 royt oops 2011-02-08 11:09:32 sesuncedu Compressors++ 2011-02-08 11:09:32 zoia gsf: The Damerau-Levenshtein distance between "royt" and "elm" is 4. 2011-02-08 11:09:33 lbjay fake roy 2011-02-08 11:09:37 akorphan ibahn-- 2011-02-08 11:09:40 druthb ecorrado: my job has me doing it all day long. Some are perfectly willing to change, others are more cautious about it, but if they had someone to help them a little, most would be willing to *try* new stuff. 2011-02-08 11:09:41 charper anarchivst: ok - I def. wanna hear about that. Are you going to Pitti's thing in the city next month? 2011-02-08 11:09:42 akorphan No moustache! 2011-02-08 11:09:44 dchud royt: elm is posing as you. 2011-02-08 11:09:45 royt elm: my evil twin 2011-02-08 11:09:45 MrDys- | froy 2011-02-08 11:09:58 akorphan royt: I thought the evil twin always had hte facial hair... 2011-02-08 11:09:59 mbklein timmcgeary: http://developer.sciverse.com/code4lib 2011-02-08 11:10:01 sesuncedu Pitti in the city - 2011-02-08 11:10:03 edsu "Pitti in the City" 2011-02-08 11:10:08 royt akorphan: we both do ;-) 2011-02-08 11:10:10 ecorrado change for change sake is not useful and i think that is what I see with RDA 2011-02-08 11:10:11 jrochkind ecorrado: my hypothesis (which I realize I am not providing proof for) whether or not libraries "want" change, they will literally cease to exist unless they change. 2011-02-08 11:10:11 edsu sesuncedu: jinx 2011-02-08 11:10:12 jaf elm + royt = elroy? 2011-02-08 11:10:14 sesuncedu edsu: shoes! 2011-02-08 11:10:18 timmcgeary jaf++ 2011-02-08 11:10:23 anarchivist anarchivist wonders if he'll see dpitti next week in cville 2011-02-08 11:10:37 jrochkind ecorrado: that a bunch of libraries or library directors or librarians don't "want" change doens't mean libraries can survive like that. 2011-02-08 11:10:41 ejk @rate livestream live_stream 2011-02-08 11:10:45 ecorrado if RDA was really much better and the supporters could make a case on costs, I'd be much more on board 2011-02-08 11:10:45 zoia ejk: livestream: 5.7; live stream: 8.5. live stream rocks! 2011-02-08 11:10:47 druthb jrochkind++ 2011-02-08 11:10:48 fresco http://hubgit.github.com/2011/01/code4lib/ - video stream + programme; didn't get inline IRC working yet... 2011-02-08 11:10:59 mbklein ecorrado: That's what Gorman meant by "neophilia" 2011-02-08 11:11:09 anarchivist mbklein: i thought he said "necrophilia" 2011-02-08 11:11:10 timmcgeary signing off - gotta pack up to get my talk on the PC in the next room 2011-02-08 11:11:11 edsu fresco++ 2011-02-08 11:11:12 gluejar Here, "creative" is used to mean "destructive" 2011-02-08 11:11:17 edsu fresco: inline irc would be *awesome* 2011-02-08 11:11:24 jrochkind mbklein: so what's what someone calls neophobia? 2011-02-08 11:11:25 pberry See y'all in alumni 2011-02-08 11:11:26 sesuncedu anarchivist: He is dead boring 2011-02-08 11:11:28 ecorrado ecorrado is a naysayer 2011-02-08 11:11:31 dlovins necrophilia-- 2011-02-08 11:11:33 jrochkind ecorrado: but I agree that RDA isn't all that exciting. 2011-02-08 11:11:36 fresco edsu: had mibbit widget in there, but couldn't get it to connect 2011-02-08 11:11:38 anarchivist sesuncedu: get him drunk first 2011-02-08 11:11:42 mbklein jrochkind: AUTOCAT 2011-02-08 11:11:50 ranti who catalog the catalogers? 2011-02-08 11:11:52 anarchivist AUTOCAD++ 2011-02-08 11:11:53 scolford @karma michael_gorman 2011-02-08 11:11:53 fresco also, the programme table is a bit broken (cos of YQL -> JSON) 2011-02-08 11:11:54 zoia scolford: michael_gorman has neutral karma. 2011-02-08 11:11:54 jrochkind ecorrado: it's not that RDA is some kind of magic bullet. RDA sucks. AND we desperately need change in metadata control practices if we are to survive. 2011-02-08 11:11:54 jaf i wanted elm + royt = kilroy, but I just couldn't map it. Maybe RDA would have helped 2011-02-08 11:11:57 dchud more background on RDA test records: http://www.loc.gov/catdir/cpso/RDAtest/rdatest.html 2011-02-08 11:12:00 sesuncedu ranti: NACO 2011-02-08 11:12:09 mjg_ @urbandict rda 2011-02-08 11:12:10 zoia mjg_: rda: Richard Dean Anderson [example] Best known for MacGyver and Colonel Jack O'Neill. [/example] ; Recommended Daily Allowance. Term used to explain the amount recommended on a daily basis for vitamins and other dietary supplements. [example] Look on the side of any food product at the nutritional information, and somewhere in the little box should be the "RDA" on any of the recommended percentages of vitamins, minerals (2 more messages) 2011-02-08 11:12:13 csharp fresco: nice 2011-02-08 11:12:16 mbklein @decide michael gorman or jon gorman 2011-02-08 11:12:16 zoia mbklein: go with jon gorman 2011-02-08 11:12:21 anna3lc coders can't spell 2011-02-08 11:12:21 mbklein jtgorman++ 2011-02-08 11:12:24 edsu dchud: does RDA in MARC make sense to you? 2011-02-08 11:12:25 anarchivist jtgorman++ 2011-02-08 11:12:25 jaf @sing styx : mr. roboto 2011-02-08 11:12:26 zoia (Dennis DeYoung) / Domo arigato, Mr. Roboto, / Mata ah-oo hima de 2011-02-08 11:12:28 ranti sesuncedu++ 2011-02-08 11:12:31 mbklein anna3lc: spelers can't code 2011-02-08 11:12:37 atz_ funky data skillz 2011-02-08 11:12:39 pmurray anna3lc: Yeah, but our syntax is impeccable. 2011-02-08 11:12:40 dchud edsu: i don't know, i haven't tried it. 2011-02-08 11:12:45 lbjay *clap* 2011-02-08 11:12:46 ejk ejk claps 2011-02-08 11:12:50 jrochkind ecorrado: but the part of RDA that Diane is talking about, very specfiically the vocabularies she and karen et all have worked on, are a decent attempt. Remember diane very specifially, although somewhat confusingly, said she's not talking about the 'guidance' as being something interesting 2011-02-08 11:12:50 ecorrado jrochkind: but change to a system that may be just incrementally better is not useful 2011-02-08 11:12:51 royt what's with the 20 minute unscheduled time blocks? 2011-02-08 11:12:51 anna3lc :) 2011-02-08 11:12:52 sesuncedu It's all about the levenshtein baby 2011-02-08 11:12:52 yitznewton @translationparty [sing styx : mr. roboto] 2011-02-08 11:12:55 gsf dhillmann++ 2011-02-08 11:12:55 mjg_ @decide RDA as that library stuff or RDA as MacGyver 2011-02-08 11:12:56 zoia mjg_: go with RDA as MacGyver 2011-02-08 11:12:59 edsu *clap* 2011-02-08 11:13:01 royt ahh, to move to another room 2011-02-08 11:13:01 rsinger zoikes 2011-02-08 11:13:03 jrochkind ecorrado_: maybe, i dunno. 2011-02-08 11:13:03 archivist you cant hear my claps 2011-02-08 11:13:04 anna3lc dhillman++ 2011-02-08 11:13:05 jdwyn quit 2011-02-08 11:13:10 royt dhillmann++ 2011-02-08 11:13:15 ejk Remember to switch your streams, live streamers 2011-02-08 11:13:16 zoia He / Domo free time Demata (Denisudeyangu) Roboto / No object-oriented 2011-02-08 11:13:17 truk77 heh, easy to tell when a session's finished 2011-02-08 11:13:24 sesuncedu But don't cross them. 2011-02-08 11:13:28 csharp ejk: thanks 2011-02-08 11:13:29 yitznewton zoia++ 2011-02-08 11:13:38 csharp livestreaming++ 2011-02-08 11:13:40 royt ejk: thanks, but now I'm using what fresco set up 2011-02-08 11:13:41 yitznewton oop_80s_music++ 2011-02-08 11:13:46 rsinger edsu: do you think it matters much whether it's in MARC or RDF? 2011-02-08 11:14:06 eefcee time to switch streams http://www.indiana.edu/~video/stream/liveflash.html?filename=C4L2011_session_2 2011-02-08 11:14:09 fresco royt: i didn't do anything clever with streams, so it'll probably break :( 2011-02-08 11:14:19 eefcee live_stream++ 2011-02-08 11:14:40 wtd I'm going to watch the recorded show, later. 2011-02-08 11:15:03 ejk Don't cross the streams, and if someone asks you if you are a god, you say "YES" 2011-02-08 11:15:20 sesuncedu rsinger: If it's in RDF, you don't have to worry about broken MARC. Just broken RDF 2011-02-08 11:15:25 edsu rsinger: i think it matters if you are saying (as dhillman just did) MARC Must Die, what it is that is going to replace it 2011-02-08 11:15:30 sesuncedu @who is the gatekeeper 2011-02-08 11:15:30 zoia rob_away is the gatekeeper. 2011-02-08 11:15:32 edsu rsinger: or what set of things 2011-02-08 11:16:07 rsinger edsu: it's one of the things that came up recently on the LLD list 2011-02-08 11:16:16 edsu rsinger: really? 2011-02-08 11:16:26 edsu rsinger: i guess i should tune into that more 2011-02-08 11:16:36 edsu rsinger: link? 2011-02-08 11:16:42 rsinger edsu: yeah, the notion of how do we reconcile the "completeness" of a "record" in a linked data landscape 2011-02-08 11:16:51 mjg_ so, what'd I miss this AM? 2011-02-08 11:17:00 sesuncedu rsinger: you need to close the world 2011-02-08 11:17:37 sesuncedu rsinger: then it's an epistemic query. 2011-02-08 11:18:12 rsinger edsu: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-lld/2011Jan/0016.html 2011-02-08 11:18:41 rsinger basically, how much of the graph is enough? 2011-02-08 11:18:45 sesuncedu rsinger: it's a lot easier to state with restricted 2nd-order quantification 2011-02-08 11:19:39 rsinger there's the assumption that in the marc world, the "cheese can stand alone", as it were 2011-02-08 11:20:06 mjg_ cheese++ 2011-02-08 11:20:07 rsinger and that's definitely got to be reconciled in an LD environment 2011-02-08 11:20:22 sesuncedu But it's basically asking if for all the predicates/properties that are required for a given record level, for a given entity, whether the correct number of values are known relative to the asker 2011-02-08 11:20:37 sesuncedu (really, relative to the query context) 2011-02-08 11:20:43 edsu rsinger: i thought hillman was just saying we need to get past the Record 2011-02-08 11:20:57 edsu rsinger: oh right, you aren't watching eh? 2011-02-08 11:21:01 rsinger :) 2011-02-08 11:21:11 rsinger edsu: but what's the difference between a graph and a record? 2011-02-08 11:21:22 sesuncedu Also: two nights ago, the cat wanted something, which disturbed the dog, who woke the other half, who made me deal with it. I am the cheese 2011-02-08 11:21:24 dbs rsinger, 2011-02-08 11:21:38 dbs rsinger: how much of the cheese is homecheese, and how much is storebought? 2011-02-08 11:21:43 edsu rsinger: basically my confusion is stemming from hillman saying we need to get past MARC, but i'm not clear about what the alternative she is proposing is 2011-02-08 11:21:57 sesuncedu edsu: You need to get past getting past the marc 2011-02-08 11:21:57 rsinger edsu: i agree with that - and i don't think it matters much 2011-02-08 11:21:58 yitznewton @seen atz 2011-02-08 11:21:58 zoia yitznewton: atz was last seen in #code4lib 1 hour, 31 minutes, and 10 seconds ago: it's like all the car custom fabricators get started on motorcycles, after they got started on bikes 2011-02-08 11:22:07 druthb mmmm....powerrrrr... 2011-02-08 11:22:10 yitznewton @herald 2011-02-08 11:22:10 zoia yitznewton: Did you just tell me to go fuck myself? 2011-02-08 11:22:10 edsu sesuncedu: i think i am :-) 2011-02-08 11:22:15 yitznewton @herald help 2011-02-08 11:22:16 zoia yitznewton: fork it? 2011-02-08 11:22:19 yitznewton @herald --help 2011-02-08 11:22:19 zoia yitznewton: Hey! This is the internet. Speak english, please. 2011-02-08 11:22:25 yitznewton @help herald 2011-02-08 11:22:25 zoia yitznewton: Error: There is no command "herald". 2011-02-08 11:22:30 yitznewton sigh 2011-02-08 11:22:30 edsu rsinger: yeah, but it matters if you want to make sense 2011-02-08 11:22:41 ejk @karma 2011-02-08 11:22:41 rsinger edsu: i don't think it matters how you serialize it, as long as the discrete parts are identifiable 2011-02-08 11:22:41 zoia ejk: Highest karma: "mbklein" (406), "edsu" (378), and "anarchivist" (369). Lowest karma: "iii" (-127), "central_IT" (-31), and "php" (-17). You (ejk) are ranked 364 out of 2814. 2011-02-08 11:22:44 sesuncedu edsu: it's the Marc Off process. 12 steps 2011-02-08 11:22:48 MrDys protip: twitterfall.com, add in a search for #c41ll and watch the realtime tweet deluuuuuuge 2011-02-08 11:23:08 edsu rsinger: i guess that's what kcoyle was sayin' that there would be lots of ways of saying the same thing 2011-02-08 11:23:20 rsinger rsinger nods. 2011-02-08 11:23:20 yitznewton @help 2011-02-08 11:23:21 zoia yitznewton: (help [] []) -- This command gives a useful description of what does. is only necessary if the command is in more than one plugin. 2011-02-08 11:23:25 royt first, acknowledge you have a problem 2011-02-08 11:23:26 sesuncedu edsu: the issue is knowing what's the same thing 2011-02-08 11:23:32 edsu rsinger: and perhaps there already are, and we don't have to worry about it much :-) 2011-02-08 11:23:54 edsu sesuncedu: yeah 2011-02-08 11:23:54 ejk Test test test 2011-02-08 11:23:58 zoia I saw Lon Cheney Jr. walking down the street 2011-02-08 11:24:16 sesuncedu timers down front, party on the stream 2011-02-08 11:24:27 ejk ejk waves 2011-02-08 11:24:35 jaf big woot! 2011-02-08 11:24:37 eefcee live stream picture just the slide... no video... 2011-02-08 11:24:41 ryscher how many people are streaming? 2011-02-08 11:24:43 sesuncedu lair 2011-02-08 11:24:43 zoia Shh! Daft largesse 2011-02-08 11:24:44 eefcee ah, better! 2011-02-08 11:24:45 sesuncedu liar 2011-02-08 11:24:58 sesuncedu it means world peace 2011-02-08 11:25:07 pberry In the immortal words of bud lite commercials: here we go 2011-02-08 11:25:12 eefcee live_stream++ 2011-02-08 11:25:29 ejk live_stream++ 2011-02-08 11:25:36 rsinger edsu: i guess i'm more worried about some necessity to have mountains of data in order to do anything useful 2011-02-08 11:25:48 JodiS JodiS checks the stream 2011-02-08 11:25:52 akorphan I'm tired, I don't know if I want to mash up anymore. 2011-02-08 11:25:57 druthb Someone at the power plant is wondering *why*, all of a sudden, demand for electricity just went way, way up in Bloomington... 2011-02-08 11:25:58 rsinger edsu: data that can be locked behind some paywall 2011-02-08 11:25:59 sesuncedu neophiles like live_stream++ . Gorman, M. likes dead streams 2011-02-08 11:25:59 royt so is http://hubgit.github.com/2011/01/code4lib/ not happening? 2011-02-08 11:26:01 anarchivist @quote random 2011-02-08 11:26:01 pberry Live demos...yikes 2011-02-08 11:26:01 zoia anarchivist: Quote #1857: "< dbs> Everyone knows there are only 1172 items of interest in the world" (added by edsu at 02:49 PM, April 21, 2009) 2011-02-08 11:26:09 BigD They need to turn the balance knob 2011-02-08 11:26:12 ndushay texas? 2011-02-08 11:26:14 atz highwire gmaps 2011-02-08 11:26:31 sesuncedu Problem, we have a houston. 2011-02-08 11:26:32 zoia find / -name 'jrochkind' -exec chmod 0000 '{}' \; 2011-02-08 11:26:39 jrochkind that map one is pretty cool 2011-02-08 11:26:41 JodiS secsuncedu++ 2011-02-08 11:26:46 atz no argument there. map trumps text. 2011-02-08 11:26:49 JodiS QR_codes++ 2011-02-08 11:26:58 akorphan quick! take a picture! 2011-02-08 11:27:08 BigD Hey JodiS! 2011-02-08 11:27:13 sesuncedu Is it the rick roll QR? 2011-02-08 11:27:15 JodiS hey BigD! 2011-02-08 11:27:18 druthb sirsi_dynix_symphony_URLs-- 2011-02-08 11:27:22 escowles getting_past_the_record++ 2011-02-08 11:27:45 JodiS SIMILE 2011-02-08 11:27:59 BillDueber held by the author? I'd love to know what Michael Chabon is reading 2011-02-08 11:28:05 atz definitely ugly unicorn/symphony URLs 2011-02-08 11:28:05 akorphan What's a simile timeline? 2011-02-08 11:28:07 sesuncedu It's not threatening SIMILE with a law suit? 2011-02-08 11:28:21 zoia We were doing fine until brendan2's bike shed needed painting. 2011-02-08 11:28:33 jrochkind @google simile timeline 2011-02-08 11:28:34 zoia jrochkind: SIMILE Widgets | Timeline: ; Reference Documentation for Timeline - SIMILE Widgets: ; simile-widgets - Project Hosting on Google Code: ; Timeline - simile-widgets - Timeline documentation index page ...: ; SIMILE | Timeline | (1 more message) 2011-02-08 11:28:42 mbklein Anyone else having trouble getting the Code4lib-N network to give you an IP address? 2011-02-08 11:28:43 jrochkind that's what a simile timeline is 2011-02-08 11:28:50 jrochkind mbklein: yes, switched to G, no problem. 2011-02-08 11:28:50 BillDueber mbklein: Nope. 2011-02-08 11:29:01 pberry Neat 2011-02-08 11:29:09 BillDueber Wait, I'm seeing *two* Code4Lib-N 2011-02-08 11:29:11 gluejar_ more evidence that toys are what we need 2011-02-08 11:29:12 gsf Code4Lib-G is lagging for me 2011-02-08 11:29:16 demiankatz mbklein: I haven't even been able to see the Code4lib-N network. 2011-02-08 11:29:18 mbklein BillDueber: Close one eye. 2011-02-08 11:29:18 akorphan my head hurts, and I'm not sure whether it's too much caffeine or not enough. 2011-02-08 11:29:22 tokeee mbklein: I am having trouble discovering it, but when I did I got the address no problem 2011-02-08 11:29:24 eby mbklein: Was doing that yesterday depending on room 2011-02-08 11:29:32 BillDueber 008dates-- 2011-02-08 11:29:34 sesuncedu This is what it looks like when doves cry 2011-02-08 11:29:51 mbklein sesuncedu: DAMN YOU. That's one of my earworm triggers. 2011-02-08 11:29:52 sesuncedu BillDueber: If I don't report in on schedule, 008 will show up to confuse you 2011-02-08 11:29:53 BillDueber "things get the wrong date" -- very politic, passive structure 2011-02-08 11:30:05 jrochkind BillDueber: i do not diss 008 dates, they're buggy but if they didn't exist and all we had was the 260? forget it. 2011-02-08 11:30:05 akorphan INTO THE FUTURE 2011-02-08 11:30:09 dlovins simile++ 2011-02-08 11:30:17 ejk scrollin 2011-02-08 11:30:19 fumi timeline++ 2011-02-08 11:30:26 rsinger edsu: anyway, i think we're agreeing :) 2011-02-08 11:30:27 edsu oh no, i thought library data was perfect! 2011-02-08 11:30:28 erikhatcher dlovins: simile++, but bad_data-- 2011-02-08 11:30:31 edsu rsinger: yeah 2011-02-08 11:30:33 BillDueber akorphan: Time keeps on slipping slipping slipping 2011-02-08 11:30:35 mbklein BillDueber: If only data were willing to describe itself... 2011-02-08 11:30:36 akorphan edsu++ 2011-02-08 11:30:44 akorphan BillDueber++ 2011-02-08 11:30:46 sesuncedu ... into the future. 2011-02-08 11:30:54 sesuncedu ... damn earwormed back 2011-02-08 11:30:58 anna3lc data visualization tools as tools for catalogers to find and correct bad data 2011-02-08 11:31:10 jrochkind anna3lc++ 2011-02-08 11:31:12 akorphan You know, it's 2011 and Jupiter is still not a sun. I'm disappointed. 2011-02-08 11:31:20 edsu sesuncedu: time keeps on spinning? 2011-02-08 11:31:22 BillDueber BillDueber always sings "fly like an eagle" in Elmer Fudd's voice. Try it! 2011-02-08 11:31:27 yitznewton atz: re twitter, you can contact me at yitzchak.schaffer touro.edu if that didn't make sense 2011-02-08 11:31:28 edsu s/spinning/slipping/ 2011-02-08 11:31:38 mbklein anna3lc++ GRIDWORKS 2011-02-08 11:31:47 archivist anna3lc, that means comparing the original with the data, redo from start 2011-02-08 11:31:53 BillDueber "I wanna fwy, wike an eegle..." 2011-02-08 11:32:08 eby @ana time becomes a loop 2011-02-08 11:32:09 zoia eby: Sociable poet memo 2011-02-08 11:32:12 decasm_ time keeps on spitting, spitting, spitting 2011-02-08 11:32:16 gsf gsf almost wishes he had some coffee 2011-02-08 11:32:17 BillDueber Is there a batch interface into FAST? So I could, you know facet on it? 2011-02-08 11:32:20 sesuncedu anna3lc: graphviz from LCSH shows a lot of the problems 2011-02-08 11:32:28 edsu http://experimental.worldcat.org/mapfast/ 2011-02-08 11:32:45 jrochkind BillDueber: probably not. 2011-02-08 11:32:48 akorphan s/eegle/eegow 2011-02-08 11:32:54 pberry Hrm 2011-02-08 11:33:00 sesuncedu Need LOOSE - Lightweight Open Ontology for Subject Establishment 2011-02-08 11:33:03 BillDueber BillDueber hates useful data he can't use 2011-02-08 11:33:13 royt FAST and LOOSE 2011-02-08 11:33:14 akorphan @cyborg LOOSE 2011-02-08 11:33:16 zoia akorphan: L.O.O.S.E.: Lifeform Optimized for Online Scientific Exploration 2011-02-08 11:33:20 pberry Is the network hosed, or just me 2011-02-08 11:33:27 dlovins OCLC Developer Network demos are nice. Hope more documentation becomes available. 2011-02-08 11:33:28 jaron1 anyone else experiencing flaky wireless? of course i'll probably be dropped before i see your response. 2011-02-08 11:33:30 pberry Guessing just me 2011-02-08 11:33:32 ranti a GIS is the tool for that 2011-02-08 11:33:33 akorphan Pretty close, actually. 2011-02-08 11:33:34 MrDys I can hear lunch being set out next to us, and it sounds like phillip marley is rattling them chains 2011-02-08 11:33:37 sibylschaefer Go VT! 2011-02-08 11:33:41 BigD I hope lunch (provided) is White Castles. 2011-02-08 11:33:47 escowles FL-- 2011-02-08 11:33:49 royt dlovins: librarywebchic has spent a lot of time on getting the documentation in order 2011-02-08 11:33:53 gsf sesuncedu: you're scary good at that 2011-02-08 11:33:54 sibylschaefer @BigD ditto 2011-02-08 11:33:55 zoia sibylschaefer: difficulty: I started with AlcoholPoisoning and don't know much Python. 2011-02-08 11:34:00 mbklein South Dakota? 2011-02-08 11:34:02 dchud_ this feels like the room we were in at Access '09, it's just bigger and missing the hoops and bingo paraphernalia 2011-02-08 11:34:07 BillDueber That map would be more useful if it showed use per person. 2011-02-08 11:34:09 dlovins royt++ librarywebchic++ 2011-02-08 11:34:10 pmurray jaron1: Yeah, something is weird with the wireless. I can't quite put my finger on it thought. 2011-02-08 11:34:22 akorphan Hey, if one were to split up a map into equipopulous areas, what divisions would one use? Is congressional district the best commonly available bet? 2011-02-08 11:34:24 sesuncedu dchud: The game isn't till tomorrow. 2011-02-08 11:34:26 gsf dchud_: those hoops were cool 2011-02-08 11:34:28 pberry Red green colorblind charts 2011-02-08 11:34:34 akorphan (This is a US map) 2011-02-08 11:34:35 sesuncedu akorphan: Not really 2011-02-08 11:34:36 jaf so, it would be interesting to see potential visualizations for marketing library services, such as displaying on monitors over circulation 2011-02-08 11:34:40 jrochkind akorphan: or census tract? 2011-02-08 11:34:44 BigD dchud_: That was a great access. Esp the bingo 2011-02-08 11:34:45 dchud_ gsf: seriously 2011-02-08 11:34:51 mbklein sesuncedu: It would just end up as Lightweight Ontology for Subject Establishment and Reification 2011-02-08 11:34:55 dchud_ BigD: how's that macbook? 2011-02-08 11:34:56 rsinger @discoball 2011-02-08 11:34:57 zoia rsinger: try feathers next time 2011-02-08 11:34:59 BillDueber akorphan: There's no good way. Congressional districts only approximate it within a state. 2011-02-08 11:35:04 akorphan sesuncedu: I know they're not REALLY equipopulous 2011-02-08 11:35:10 sesuncedu mbklein: Every which way 2011-02-08 11:35:19 ndushay i'm not sure users want to be coerced into thinking of topics hierarchically 2011-02-08 11:35:28 akorphan jrochkind: How are census tracts defined? 2011-02-08 11:35:33 jrochkind looking that up now 2011-02-08 11:35:36 sesuncedu ndushay: Actually they intrinsically do 2011-02-08 11:35:46 edsu that mapfast app is really nice 2011-02-08 11:35:47 sesuncedu ndushay: sort of 2011-02-08 11:35:50 akorphan danke schoen 2011-02-08 11:35:51 ndushay sesuncedu: from what? amazon? 2011-02-08 11:35:52 druthb ndushay++ 2011-02-08 11:35:56 BigD dchud_: It disappeared into my daughter's room. I hear it's doing well. 2011-02-08 11:36:04 anna3lc anarchivist: some data would require going to the original, but a lot wouldn't require it. also one can cross-reference with other data sets for, e.g. pub. dates 2011-02-08 11:36:11 jrochkind akorphan: Census tracts usually have between 2,500 and 8,000 persons and, when first delineated, are designed to be homogeneous with respect to population characteristics, economic status, and living conditions. Census tracts do not cross county boundaries. The spatial size of census tracts varies widely depending on the density of settlement. Census tract boundaries are delineated with the intention of being maintained over a long time 2011-02-08 11:36:11 jrochkind so that statistical comparisons can be made from census to census. 2011-02-08 11:36:21 druthb They want to be *able* to, in some cases, I think, but *forcing* anyone to think a certain way to find stuff is a way to become thoroughly irrelevant. 2011-02-08 11:36:22 ndushay i think they are just as happy with usage data driven recommender services, largely 2011-02-08 11:36:28 magnusenger rtig 2011-02-08 11:36:31 gsf ndushay: you think people would rather just type in their own words and search? 2011-02-08 11:36:37 sesuncedu ndushay: See Eleanor Rosch's work : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prototype_theory 2011-02-08 11:36:38 akorphan jrochkind: That's not so bad 2011-02-08 11:36:41 druthb druthb waves to magnusenger. 2011-02-08 11:36:49 pberry I just became mayor of alumni hall 2011-02-08 11:36:59 magnusenger magnusenger waves back to druthb 2011-02-08 11:37:04 edc I think people just want to get to what they are looking for. 2011-02-08 11:37:09 akorphan Anyone know what the greatest disparity between two congressional districts is as a ratio of population? or guesses in that direction? 2011-02-08 11:37:09 ndushay gsf: i think users want to type in their own words and get what they want. 2011-02-08 11:37:22 sesuncedu ndushay: remember, the 2nd object 2011-02-08 11:37:27 ndushay actually, they want to just think about it and have the resource teleported to their location. 2011-02-08 11:37:31 gsf ndushay: though they do enjoy complaining about the results 2011-02-08 11:37:34 ndushay the 2nd object? 2011-02-08 11:37:43 jrochkind akorphan: congressional districts probably about as good. census tracts are a lot smaller. one of those is probably the best you'll get. 2011-02-08 11:37:47 sesuncedu The second object of the catalog 2011-02-08 11:37:51 pberry People want answers, they just don't always know the questions 2011-02-08 11:37:56 sesuncedu (you do *NOT* talk about catalog) 2011-02-08 11:37:57 jrochkind census tracts are also less weirdly shaped. 2011-02-08 11:38:07 mbklein pberry: As mayor, can you take care of this parking ticket for me? 2011-02-08 11:38:19 ndushay sesuncedu: the second object of the catalog? 2011-02-08 11:38:23 tzhaya One of Japanese geek made MapFAST like interface, see http://myrmecoleon.sytes.net/map/ , input ISBN code. 2011-02-08 11:38:24 flyingzumwalt akorphan: http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=what+the+greatest+disparity+between+two+congressional+districts+is+as+a+ratio+of+population 2011-02-08 11:38:27 ndushay to help librarians/ 2011-02-08 11:38:29 ndushay ? 2011-02-08 11:38:29 pberry mbklein: For a small fee, of course 2011-02-08 11:38:29 sesuncedu http://library.music.indiana.edu/tech_s/manuals/training/catalog/cutter.html 2011-02-08 11:38:31 jrochkind tzhaya++ 2011-02-08 11:38:36 flyingzumwalt Other languages with "congressional" as a word: Romanian. 2011-02-08 11:38:38 ndushay object -> objective? 2011-02-08 11:38:40 timmcgeary timmcgeary is starting to worry that his talk will only be 10-15 minutes 2011-02-08 11:38:51 mbklein Talking fast while talking FAST. 2011-02-08 11:38:52 julia_ akorphan: I'd bet that the states that are so small that they only get one congressional representative are probably the outliers. 2011-02-08 11:38:53 sesuncedu ndushay: Stop being so 20th century. 2011-02-08 11:39:16 gsf timmcgeary: just stall with technical difficulties 2011-02-08 11:39:29 timmcgeary mbklein: dym talking fast about fast talk? 2011-02-08 11:39:29 jrochkind nobody will complain about a talk taht's shorter tahn 20 min. 2011-02-08 11:39:31 akorphan julia_: I'm thinking, like, all of Montana as compared to the most poulous district in southern california might be a good test case 2011-02-08 11:39:34 jaf big fonts++ 2011-02-08 11:39:40 atz one fixed width mega font to rule them alll 2011-02-08 11:39:50 akorphan flyingzumwalt: Wolfram Alpha FAIL 2011-02-08 11:39:51 gsf good distinction there between JSON and javascript 2011-02-08 11:39:52 BigD Json screens are the new xml screens 2011-02-08 11:39:52 danwho enhance, enhance 2011-02-08 11:39:55 edsu @band add Fake Calculation 2011-02-08 11:39:55 timmcgeary holy large font point, batman 2011-02-08 11:39:55 zoia edsu: Band 'Fake Calculation' added to list 2011-02-08 11:40:06 gluejar now that's big code! 2011-02-08 11:40:08 akorphan Zoom! Rotate! And... Enhance! 2011-02-08 11:40:08 timmcgeary Why is the US map so Missouri-centric? 2011-02-08 11:40:25 royt is it me, or is the conference behind schedule? 2011-02-08 11:40:38 pmurray royt Slightly behind schedule. 2011-02-08 11:40:42 sesuncedu timmcgeary: because Missouri loves company 2011-02-08 11:40:48 akorphan "It looks like crime..." (puts on shades) "... just got put on the map." YEEEAAAAAAHHHH! 2011-02-08 11:40:52 pmurray royt: There were technical problems getting the keynote going. 2011-02-08 11:40:53 timmcgeary royt: everyone else is on time 2011-02-08 11:41:00 BigD royt: And it's you. It's all about you. 2011-02-08 11:41:03 escowles buffering... 2011-02-08 11:41:04 timmcgeary sesuncedu++ 2011-02-08 11:41:04 edc iPad timer download going really slow :( 2011-02-08 11:41:04 jaf royt: california time, buddy 2011-02-08 11:41:05 scolford royt: You're behind schedule. By 3 hours. 2011-02-08 11:41:06 timmcgeary puns++ 2011-02-08 11:41:08 pberry timmcgeary: Its the center of the universe 2011-02-08 11:41:10 sesuncedu except for people in the future 2011-02-08 11:41:15 BigD Computers suck 2011-02-08 11:41:19 royt thanks, all. 2011-02-08 11:41:22 mbklein akorphan: Average district population: 647K. Largest: 905K. Smallest: 495K. 2011-02-08 11:41:22 akorphan live_demos+- 2011-02-08 11:41:37 mbklein akorphan: That's congressional districts 2011-02-08 11:41:42 timmcgeary sesuncedu: well played pun 2011-02-08 11:41:45 akorphan mbklein: Wow, 2:1 is better than I was expecting. 2011-02-08 11:41:50 decasm_ i'm somewhere where i don't know where i am 2011-02-08 11:42:05 csharp always have screenshots 2011-02-08 11:42:07 paulalbert Who is doing the denial of service attack on librarywebchic? 2011-02-08 11:42:34 BigD escowles: Are you doing a lightning talk? 2011-02-08 11:42:36 edc Paulabert: Skyriver? 2011-02-08 11:42:36 edsu protovis++ 2011-02-08 11:42:38 MrDys @who is frenemies with protovis 2011-02-08 11:42:39 zoia mcdonald1 is frenemies with protovis. 2011-02-08 11:42:39 escowles mbklein: which districts are those? 2011-02-08 11:42:39 eefcee http://www.librarywebchic.net/mashups 2011-02-08 11:42:59 jtgorman eefcee: think we're crushing the server... 2011-02-08 11:43:02 atz i hope the podium has wired access... 2011-02-08 11:43:06 sesuncedu @dnd 2011-02-08 11:43:06 zoia sesuncedu: strength:8 dexterity:15 constitution:11 intelligence:12 wisdom:12 charisma:13 2011-02-08 11:43:10 sesuncedu is how I roll 2011-02-08 11:43:15 dchud any questions for librarywebchic from streamers? 2011-02-08 11:43:17 escowles BigD: i thought you were doing one 2011-02-08 11:43:19 timmcgeary questions? 2011-02-08 11:43:23 edsu can someone ask how they geocoded subject headings? 2011-02-08 11:43:24 timmcgeary Beuller? 2011-02-08 11:43:24 mbklein akorphan: Largest geographically: Alaska at-large (663,267 mi²). Smallest: NY 15th (10.29mi²) 2011-02-08 11:43:32 pberry And...I'm gone? 2011-02-08 11:43:32 pberry @karma 2011-02-08 11:43:33 edsu edsu shrugs 2011-02-08 11:43:34 zoia pberry: Highest karma: "mbklein" (406), "edsu" (379), and "anarchivist" (369). Lowest karma: "iii" (-127), "central_IT" (-31), and "php" (-17). You (pberry) are ranked 42 out of 2828. 2011-02-08 11:43:35 jstirnaman atz: supposed to have 1 or 2 lines I think 2011-02-08 11:43:38 royt the cool part of this is she has tons of demo code to share 2011-02-08 11:43:40 anna3lc librarywebchic++ 2011-02-08 11:43:41 tshearerlib N stopped working for me and had to migrate to G 2011-02-08 11:43:45 gsf dchud swoops in 2011-02-08 11:43:47 edsu yay :-) 2011-02-08 11:43:50 dchud edsu: asking 2011-02-08 11:43:52 maccabee_ librarywebchic++ 2011-02-08 11:43:53 BigD escowles: No plan yet. Maybe you and matt can show mobile stuff? 2011-02-08 11:43:54 jtgorman or the network system here is blocking any url that gets hit a lot 2011-02-08 11:43:54 dchud er, asked 2011-02-08 11:43:57 mbklein escowles: Most populous: Montana at-large; Least populous: Wyoming at-large 2011-02-08 11:43:58 eefcee librarywebchic++ 2011-02-08 11:44:04 dlovins librarywebchic++ 2011-02-08 11:44:05 jaron1 royt: where can the code be found? 2011-02-08 11:44:08 akorphan mbklein: Highest and lowest pop densities of districts? (since you have been so cheerily forthcoming with data already....) 2011-02-08 11:44:09 atz librarywebchic++ 2011-02-08 11:44:11 dchud edsu: are you following the answer? 2011-02-08 11:44:14 jtgorman are folks out of the conference able to access the sample pages? 2011-02-08 11:44:14 edsu edsu blushes 2011-02-08 11:44:16 jdwyn librarychic++ 2011-02-08 11:44:17 edsu dchud: yes 2011-02-08 11:44:19 timmcgeary librarywebchic++ 2011-02-08 11:44:19 royt jaron1: let me see if I can dig up the URL 2011-02-08 11:44:20 jtgorman librarywebchic 2011-02-08 11:44:22 dchud cool. 2011-02-08 11:44:26 royt her last slide had URLs 2011-02-08 11:44:38 edsu thankyou! 2011-02-08 11:44:52 akorphan I once tried to use Wolfram Alpha to figure out how much the gold in the Italian Job would weigh, given its value in 1964 dollars. I was disappointed. 2011-02-08 11:45:23 sesuncedu @decide windows or dongles 2011-02-08 11:45:23 zoia sesuncedu: go with windows 2011-02-08 11:45:27 sesuncedu zoia-- 2011-02-08 11:45:32 royt not_using_windows++ 2011-02-08 11:45:33 mbklein akorphan: Working on it. 2011-02-08 11:45:34 eefcee zoia-- 2011-02-08 11:45:43 timmcgeary perfect intro con-windows 2011-02-08 11:45:47 akorphan mbklein++ 2011-02-08 11:45:53 gsf for a sec i thought he said tommy bartlett 2011-02-08 11:45:56 gsf the_dells++ 2011-02-08 11:46:11 pberry Brrr 2011-02-08 11:46:15 pberry Grr 2011-02-08 11:46:22 pmurray 190 people in channel. Is that a record? 2011-02-08 11:46:27 jtgorman gsf: never got to go to Tommy Barlett, just drove on by :( 2011-02-08 11:46:28 sesuncedu National Security Letter optimization 2011-02-08 11:46:40 akorphan Zoia should track that. 2011-02-08 11:46:40 zoia akorphan: can we please keep these meetings theoretical? 2011-02-08 11:46:45 julia_ pmurray: I suspect there are more in than usual because of the live streaming of the presentations. 2011-02-08 11:46:49 pberry Mmmmm pasta 2011-02-08 11:46:51 BillDueber OOps. Name clash. http://www.metridoc.com/ 2011-02-08 11:46:58 atz spaghetti_infrastructure-- 2011-02-08 11:47:11 jrochkind at one point at jhu an admin wanted to copy their 'data farm'. Thankfully we didn't. yet. 2011-02-08 11:47:14 sesuncedu touched by his noodly appendage 2011-02-08 11:47:26 timmcgeary spaghetti_with_meatballs++ 2011-02-08 11:47:26 gluejar geocoded subject headings++ 2011-02-08 11:47:33 royt royt can't wait for someone to try to justify Kuali OLE using "a document repository, a semantic repository, and a relational repository" 2011-02-08 11:47:36 anna3lc diagrams++ 2011-02-08 11:47:37 BillDueber What's more shareable than perl scripts??? 2011-02-08 11:47:42 akorphan I raise datasheep and datachickens on my datafarm. 2011-02-08 11:47:43 mjg_ the next time I'm disconnected from wi-fi, please curate all funny comments for later ingestion. 2011-02-08 11:47:53 royt oh, and another repository to keep track of the repositories 2011-02-08 11:47:53 timmcgeary royt: trying to make me more nervous? 2011-02-08 11:47:53 gsf yes, it would work so much better if we rewrote it in java 2011-02-08 11:47:56 julia_ akorphan++ 2011-02-08 11:48:06 mjg_ gsf++ 2011-02-08 11:48:08 jaf royt: i bet you could if you used RDF 2011-02-08 11:48:12 mtomko BillDeuber: perl scripts name a.pl, b.pl, etc. 2011-02-08 11:48:22 royt timmcgeary: no, just eager to hear ;-) 2011-02-08 11:48:35 chelociraptor gsf++ 2011-02-08 11:48:41 timmcgeary royt: not sure I'll be able to justify it - just sharing what we're going to try to do 2011-02-08 11:48:48 ndushay is he talking about a workflow system? 2011-02-08 11:48:48 ejk Grant Money = G Money 2011-02-08 11:48:51 pberry He should 2011-02-08 11:48:53 royt timmcgeary: fair enough 2011-02-08 11:48:59 dchud__ "i'm not saying anything bad about perl but if your code is longer than one page..." 2011-02-08 11:49:02 BigD RDF fix evryting! 2011-02-08 11:49:08 sesuncedu bad programmers can write bad code in any language 2011-02-08 11:49:11 gsf ndushay: no i think this is communication between campus apps 2011-02-08 11:49:12 edsu s/perl/any language/ 2011-02-08 11:49:16 edsu sesuncedu++ 2011-02-08 11:49:23 edsu sesuncedu: i should know :-) 2011-02-08 11:49:24 decasm_ everything isFixedBy RDF 2011-02-08 11:49:27 bmljenny Clearly they need to hire a cataloger. 2011-02-08 11:49:33 timmcgeary timmcgeary feels like he should have his name tag say "Don't kill the messenger." 2011-02-08 11:49:35 royt sesuncedu: are you saying I can write bad java as well as my current bad perl? 2011-02-08 11:49:41 romana decasm_ ++ 2011-02-08 11:49:43 davidWalker a script? a perl script? 2011-02-08 11:49:50 sesuncedu royt: I've seen really bad perl written in java. 2011-02-08 11:49:53 jaf ping 2011-02-08 11:49:58 atz perl is plenty maintainable.... compare to adminning drupal through upgrades. 2011-02-08 11:50:00 edsu royt: if you stopped drinkin' and going to meetings long enough, yes 2011-02-08 11:50:01 royt sesuncedu: haha 2011-02-08 11:50:02 ndushay why do we always recreate the wheel while trying not to recreate the wheel? 2011-02-08 11:50:14 charper charper currently learning to recreate his bad perl as bad ruby 2011-02-08 11:50:22 akorphan What about Bobby tables? 2011-02-08 11:50:23 decasm_ wait, http://thing.com/every -> http://adhoc.com/schema#isFixedBy -> http://www.w3.org/RDF/ 2011-02-08 11:50:27 timmcgeary ndushay: it's the circle of life. 2011-02-08 11:50:30 zoia I saw Lon Cheney Jr. walking down the street 2011-02-08 11:50:30 ejk Prime The Repository 2011-02-08 11:50:32 MrDys if this is datafarm 2.0, why didn't they go with a more standard ETL/BI approach? 2011-02-08 11:50:42 mjg_ ndushay: we like refreshing our chrome rims every so often 2011-02-08 11:51:00 atz i think we're crushing the network now 2011-02-08 11:51:13 gsf atz: it's about time 2011-02-08 11:51:16 akorphan What was that?? Did I just see the embodiment of the channel in the channel? 2011-02-08 11:51:25 sesuncedu (#$forAll ?X (#$fixes #$RDF-TheLanguage ?X)) 2011-02-08 11:51:32 decasm_ hold on, going to start torrenting wikileaks 2011-02-08 11:51:36 mjg_ I like to recreate the pig wheel with lipstick. 2011-02-08 11:51:37 sesuncedu The query could not be proved 2011-02-08 11:51:40 jrochkind hmm, ther's a commercial product unrelated called metridoc too. anyone got a page for the penn tool? 2011-02-08 11:51:53 dchud__ fewer words, bigger fonts (just saying that this once i promise) 2011-02-08 11:51:59 ejk What's up, metridoc? 2011-02-08 11:52:01 sesuncedu mjg: The pig to lipstick ratio is variable 2011-02-08 11:52:02 gsf i could see this working pretty well with restful http communication 2011-02-08 11:52:07 paulalbert Open source project idea - application to kick everyone else off the network 2011-02-08 11:52:10 gsf dchud__: noted 2011-02-08 11:52:11 akorphan I had an idea for a computer language a while ago where the only conditional structure was try/catch 2011-02-08 11:52:18 rickj hudson++ 2011-02-08 11:52:18 mjg_ @whocares java 2011-02-08 11:52:18 mbklein A patchy camel? 2011-02-08 11:52:21 zoia ksclarke loves java 2011-02-08 11:52:21 jeff SYS-IDS-OMGPANIC-7: IRC botnet located in campus auditorium. 2011-02-08 11:52:22 zoia mjgiarlo, mjg_, rsinger, MrDys, ww, bess and anarchivist hate java 2011-02-08 11:52:26 atz sound like the kind of problems and the kind of approach I might try to address w/ nagios 2011-02-08 11:52:29 kestlund http://code.google.com/p/metridoc/ 2011-02-08 11:52:30 sesuncedu akorphan: call-cc 2011-02-08 11:52:38 jrochkind kestlund++ 2011-02-08 11:52:38 decasm_ groovy for when scripting is more appropriate? wtf? 2011-02-08 11:52:48 jrochkind kestlund: hey, are you in bloomington then? 2011-02-08 11:52:51 timmcgeary mbkeing: It only works on hump-day 2011-02-08 11:52:53 royt if apache had a dime for every name it spawned, it could hire all the programmers it needs 2011-02-08 11:53:02 ecorrado Does a patchy camel look like a big dalmation? 2011-02-08 11:53:02 timmcgeary s/ng/n 2011-02-08 11:53:03 royt timmcgeary++ 2011-02-08 11:53:05 akorphan sesuncedu: did someone beat me to it? 2011-02-08 11:53:16 kestlund jrochkind: i am here 2011-02-08 11:53:18 atz are you kidding me? 2011-02-08 11:53:26 jaf btw, beyond ezproxy breakout session today, for those who might be interested 2011-02-08 11:53:29 BillDueber Network....dying.... 2011-02-08 11:53:32 jrochkind kestlund: cool, i'll look for you to say hi. 2011-02-08 11:53:37 gsf royt: well they're doing pretty well with their various subprojects 2011-02-08 11:53:50 kestlund jrochkind: definitely! 2011-02-08 11:53:55 gsf royt: apache, that is 2011-02-08 11:54:00 sesuncedu akorphan: call-with-current-continuation (in scheme) 2011-02-08 11:54:01 timmcgeary Red rover, red rover, send ezproxy over 2011-02-08 11:54:09 gsf normalize ezproxy? 2011-02-08 11:54:10 edsu s/Hudson/Jenkins/ 2011-02-08 11:54:16 akorphan THE NETWORK SHE CRAWLS 2011-02-08 11:54:18 jrochkind this app is actually something we need. metridoc. and he is convincing me they tried to do it right unlike their 'data farm' attempt. 2011-02-08 11:54:18 atz getting rid of all cronjobs is... not desirable, imho 2011-02-08 11:54:19 royt gsf: agreed 2011-02-08 11:54:22 mbklein mjg_: Is there anything that mjgiarlo loves that mjg_ hates? Or vice versa? 2011-02-08 11:54:37 royt royt suddenly realizes the benefit of not being in the room -- faster network! 2011-02-08 11:54:43 mjg_1 royt++ 2011-02-08 11:54:45 edsu i wonder if they looked at flume: https://github.com/cloudera/flume 2011-02-08 11:54:45 csharp royt: true 2011-02-08 11:54:47 dbs @eightball does mjg_ hate tails? 2011-02-08 11:54:48 jaf OMG how many mjg's are there? 2011-02-08 11:54:48 zoia dbs: Naturally. 2011-02-08 11:54:55 gsf royt: not to mention the smell 2011-02-08 11:55:07 mjg_ dbs: I hate sonic even more than tails. 2011-02-08 11:55:09 ecorrado Hudson sounds interesting, but I am quite happy with cron for my stuff. 2011-02-08 11:55:10 eby jaf: Might pop it on wiki list 2011-02-08 11:55:11 sesuncedu mbklein: mjgiarlo exactMatch mjg_ ? 2011-02-08 11:55:13 mbklein dbs: You think it's bad in here, you should see what it's like over in #mjg 2011-02-08 11:55:15 royt gsf: heh 2011-02-08 11:55:17 jaf eby: it is 2011-02-08 11:55:29 eby See it now 2011-02-08 11:55:36 mjg_ jaf: you may get your wish of a neckbearded code4lib if I keep spawning myself. (don't, BigD, just don't.) 2011-02-08 11:55:40 mbklein akorphan: My census fu is failing me trying to get population density by congressional district. 2011-02-08 11:55:47 BillDueber_ ecorrado: Keep it in mind. Hudson is good for when you get less happy with cron. 2011-02-08 11:56:02 mjg_ Even with these screens on the side, my old eyes would benefit from a font-up. 2011-02-08 11:56:06 akorphan mbklein: quite all right. Just a curious whim anyway. 2011-02-08 11:56:20 jaf mjg_: I now have this image of a bunch of toddler mjg's running around, in their neckbeards, yelling 'Daddy!' 2011-02-08 11:56:22 BigD_ Never feed mjg_ after midnight. Never get him wet. 2011-02-08 11:56:25 rsinger @dunno search FOT 2011-02-08 11:56:25 akorphan I think i broke wikipedia.... 2011-02-08 11:56:26 mbklein akorphan: But now you've got me curious! 2011-02-08 11:56:27 zoia rsinger: No matching dunnos were found. 2011-02-08 11:56:27 rsinger er 2011-02-08 11:56:29 pmurray One line of code with method chaining. Isn't that cheating? ;-) 2011-02-08 11:56:31 rsinger @dunno search FONT 2011-02-08 11:56:33 zoia rsinger: 2 found: #301: "Font up!" and #326: "try switching your font to Mornotype Sans" 2011-02-08 11:56:49 sesuncedu You can fly to the moon with one line of APL 2011-02-08 11:56:53 atz a web interface to "cronniness" could be really useful if adequately configurable and auth-lockdown-able 2011-02-08 11:57:00 atz thinking of multi-ILS hosting 2011-02-08 11:57:01 MrDys we can work it, line by line 2011-02-08 11:57:18 akorphan Atz: I want a web interface for croniness. 2011-02-08 11:57:19 mbklein @decide cron or krunk 2011-02-08 11:57:19 zoia mbklein: go with cron 2011-02-08 11:57:22 scolford I whip my data back and forth. 2011-02-08 11:57:23 sesuncedu I've done concurrency in java. It's pretty easy. 2011-02-08 11:57:39 jrochkind atz: there is a ruby library for setting up cronjobs with a more reasonable api than cron itself. you could put a RESt on top I guess. 2011-02-08 11:57:56 atz akorphan: webmin does that already 2011-02-08 11:57:57 edsu sesuncedu: easy to mess up yeah 2011-02-08 11:57:58 sekjal atz: yes.... I'd like to have a working Task Scheduler again in Koha 2011-02-08 11:57:59 MrDys scolford++ 2011-02-08 11:58:08 sesuncedu The C++ zero-copy marc cruncher using MPI - that was trickier 2011-02-08 11:58:09 jrochkind i actually like the software he's showing us, but yeah I'm not sure why he wants to keep saying you couldn't do it in any other language, fo course you could. 2011-02-08 11:58:14 mbklein @decide crontab or bartab 2011-02-08 11:58:14 zoia mbklein: go with crontab 2011-02-08 11:58:21 mbklein zoia: you're no fun 2011-02-08 11:58:22 royt I keep my data in leather and chains 2011-02-08 11:58:22 zoia mbklein: have you tried @gmail.com? 2011-02-08 11:58:23 tokeee sesuncedu: I think cumbersome it the keyword. Threading is very explicit in Java 2011-02-08 11:58:26 atz sekjal: the old one was a joke and a serious security hole (and couldn't scale to multiple kohas per host) 2011-02-08 11:58:29 jrochkind but i am relatively impressed by their software, re-using good open source tools instead of reinventing the wheel poorly. 2011-02-08 11:58:35 atz but yeah, convenience is good 2011-02-08 11:58:36 mbklein royt: TMI! UNSEE! UNSEE! 2011-02-08 11:58:36 mtomko sesuncedu: concurrency in and of itself is easy, but it gets ugly when you start interacting with queueing systems in JMS. 2011-02-08 11:58:39 mtomko it's still not that bad. 2011-02-08 11:58:50 akorphan atz: So it would rate, like, Dick Cheney "really high" and, I don't know, Spiro Agnew "nuisance"? 2011-02-08 11:58:50 maccabee java.util.concurrent++ 2011-02-08 11:58:51 royt mbklein: lol 2011-02-08 11:58:55 sesuncedu mtomko: only if you haven't been doing it for a while :-) 2011-02-08 11:59:08 decasm_ i've been sold on erlang's concurrency model. all the rest are stupid. 2011-02-08 11:59:27 MrDys @ana stupid concurrency model 2011-02-08 11:59:28 zoia MrDys: Moody, succinct plunderer 2011-02-08 11:59:28 mbklein decasm: Isn't there something promising in Haskell? 2011-02-08 11:59:29 atz decasm: deterministic runtime performance FTW! 2011-02-08 11:59:31 jrochkind we've caught up 10 minutes, not bad. 2011-02-08 11:59:32 royt speakers need to give more lead time on questions, talks end too abruptly to be ready 2011-02-08 11:59:36 pmurray pmurray is finding that the -G SSID is faster than the -N SSID. 2011-02-08 11:59:37 sesuncedu mtomko: (done it with two different JMS providers, and XA/Transcations to a different database provider) 2011-02-08 11:59:43 pmurray I didn't think it was supposed to work that way. 2011-02-08 11:59:46 royt OLE! 2011-02-08 11:59:48 dbs @google images concurrency model -nsfw 2011-02-08 11:59:49 zoia dbs: Wiley::Concurrency: State Models and Java Programs, 2nd Edition: ; Wiley::Concurrent and Real-Time Programming in Java: ; Does Python have a concurrency problem? - O'Reilly ONLamp Blog: ; Synthesis (2 more messages) 2011-02-08 11:59:51 mtomko sesuncedu: I've used a modded up ActiveMQ 2011-02-08 11:59:56 edsu decasm_: armstrong's chapter in Coders at Work is awesome 2011-02-08 12:00:00 decasm_ mbklein: not sure about haskell. wouldn't surprise me, though. 2011-02-08 12:00:02 MrDys let's. get. businessy. 2011-02-08 12:00:04 jaf for a sec there I read that slide as 'Kuali ale' 2011-02-08 12:00:07 royt royt can't help thinking of a Koala 2011-02-08 12:00:11 mtomko but it wasn't exactly JMS compliant, so it had some quirks. 2011-02-08 12:00:18 mjg_ Kuato Ale 2011-02-08 12:00:20 atz my question "Have you done anything yet?" 2011-02-08 12:00:20 jaron1 @takify kuali ole 2011-02-08 12:00:20 zoia Ǩ Ự Ǻ Ł İ   Ō ℒ Ể 2011-02-08 12:00:23 KingNightWolf yea having major problems with the N 2011-02-08 12:00:26 MrDys @ana kuali ole 2011-02-08 12:00:27 zoia MrDys: Lieu Kola 2011-02-08 12:00:38 mjg_ @zalgo2 OLE PROJECT 2011-02-08 12:00:39 zoia mjg_: O͝Ļ̴E̴̢ ̷́P͏R͘͜Ó̵JEC͢T 2011-02-08 12:00:39 mtomko The code isn't so bad, but it's a lot of boilerplate to get going. that said, I'm a java fan and activemq treated us pretty well. we used to crank a lot of data through it. 2011-02-08 12:00:42 royt Brad apparently works twice as hard 2011-02-08 12:00:42 mbklein Isn't ELM supposed to be emceeing? And what about book giveaways? Do we have an attendee randomizer? 2011-02-08 12:00:49 mbklein Is Eric here? 2011-02-08 12:00:51 charper Koala Luau? 2011-02-08 12:00:56 akorphan OLE! 2011-02-08 12:01:01 gsf what's cool is streaming the live video right here in the room 2011-02-08 12:01:02 iPat So, wireless 2011-02-08 12:01:08 gsf since there's all this bandwidth to spare 2011-02-08 12:01:09 jrochkind we could use an mc. 2011-02-08 12:01:23 royt jrochkind: I nominate you 2011-02-08 12:01:25 mbklein 'cause I'm DEFINITELY emceeing my scheduled slot tomorrow afternoon. Just try and stop me. 2011-02-08 12:01:27 ecorrado /nick edc 2011-02-08 12:01:27 akorphan gsf: So THAT's what's going on with the wireless. 2011-02-08 12:01:28 atz jrochkind: or an invisible "narrator" 2011-02-08 12:01:34 jrochkind royt: that's funny i nominate you. 2011-02-08 12:01:38 akorphan jrochkind: I call DJ 2011-02-08 12:01:48 royt jrochkind: that's really funny, as I'm not there ;-) 2011-02-08 12:01:59 mjg_ gsf: I'm doing an experiment to see how many tabs I can open w/ concurrent video streams in chrome. 2011-02-08 12:02:01 atz royt: you could still narrate 2011-02-08 12:02:04 escowles wow, chicago is the furthest west 2011-02-08 12:02:07 BigD I hunger 2011-02-08 12:02:09 sesuncedu MC Z39.48: This is.... acid-free 2011-02-08 12:02:09 KingNightWolf I started using my att wifi card ... slowwwww wireless 2011-02-08 12:02:10 BillDueber_ ...but will take 8+ years 2011-02-08 12:02:11 mjg_ currently given the bandwidth I'm up to 0. 2011-02-08 12:02:19 BillDueber_ BigD: You and Sinistart 2011-02-08 12:02:20 mbklein royt: Yeah, the #roysucks twitter hashtag has been unnaturally silent since LITA Forum 2011-02-08 12:02:20 eby Got plenty of extra screens to put royt scowling on 2011-02-08 12:02:24 jtgorman BigD: yeah, I think they crammed a little too much before lunch... 2011-02-08 12:02:31 mbklein royt: I still have a saved search on it though, just in case. 2011-02-08 12:02:38 royt mbklein: what's up w/that? you'd think it would be smokin' 2011-02-08 12:02:45 sesuncedu 503 __ $c 2011-02-08 12:02:47 jaf so, can someone tell me in one sentence what the goal of OLE is? 2011-02-08 12:02:50 mjg_ @euphemism "community source" 2011-02-08 12:02:50 atz enterprise scale leveraging... 2011-02-08 12:02:50 zoia mjg_: did you raise the ire of the narragansett again? 2011-02-08 12:02:53 jrochkind jtgorman: gee, you think that has something to do with the surprise extra keynote? 2011-02-08 12:03:01 royt jaf: to acquire grant funds 2011-02-08 12:03:07 wtd How was librarywebchic's talk? 2011-02-08 12:03:10 mtomko it's not that I don't approve of agile, it's that I don't care to hear about it anymore. 2011-02-08 12:03:13 jaf royt: that's a how, not a what, buddy :) 2011-02-08 12:03:20 sesuncedu OLE involves Duke. It's goal must be to suck 2011-02-08 12:03:29 BillDueber_ jaf: accurately model library processes top-to-bottom and then build a reference implementation to support them. 2011-02-08 12:03:30 mbklein Hint: The flatscreens on the sides of the room have much better contrast than the projector. 2011-02-08 12:03:32 royt jaf: no, that's the what ;-) 2011-02-08 12:03:39 jaf BillDueber_: eh what? 2011-02-08 12:03:44 royt jaf: the one and only goal 2011-02-08 12:03:44 mjg_ sesuncedu++ 2011-02-08 12:03:45 BigD BillDueber_: RUN COWARD!!! 2011-02-08 12:03:47 BillDueber_ Note to self: don't use red 2011-02-08 12:03:51 dbs mtomko: agile is focused on delivering working code, right? 2011-02-08 12:03:53 BillDueber_ BigD++ 2011-02-08 12:03:57 escowles red-- 2011-02-08 12:04:00 JodiS do we want to resurrect the buzz page? 2011-02-08 12:04:16 JodiS I'm thinking the keyholders list should be someplace -- but maybe not 'social events' 2011-02-08 12:04:26 atz "we want to bite off more than ANYBODY can chew" 2011-02-08 12:04:30 jrochkind they want to do some nice things. 2011-02-08 12:04:30 edsu 5yearplans-- 2011-02-08 12:04:34 mbklein ranti: Are you still planning to MC the afternoon? http://wiki.code4lib.org/index.php/2011_committees_sign-up_page#MCing 2011-02-08 12:04:55 mjg_ here's your slide, jaf 2011-02-08 12:04:56 pmurray enterprise-level++ 2011-02-08 12:05:00 edsu enterprise, bleh 2011-02-08 12:05:02 jaf community source does not equal open, so maybe it should be called CLE 2011-02-08 12:05:05 sesuncedu The goal must involve boldly going 2011-02-08 12:05:08 jrochkind now with more enterprise! 2011-02-08 12:05:11 ranti mbklein: do we still need it, though? The timing is rather tight. 2011-02-08 12:05:12 decasm_ meanwhile, in detroit: http://twitter.com/mayordavebing/status/34698788601860096 2011-02-08 12:05:13 zoia @MT There are not any plans to erect a statue to Robocop. Thank you for the suggestion. 2011-02-08 12:05:16 MrDys note to self, use lots of red 2011-02-08 12:05:16 jaf mjg_: yeah, but I'm still waiting for an answer 2011-02-08 12:05:19 druthb jaf: I was wondering about that, myself. 2011-02-08 12:05:24 edsu MrDys++ 2011-02-08 12:05:32 atz yeah, they have the proprietary-infected mindset I am all too familiar w/ 2011-02-08 12:05:35 jrochkind good call, not build a search interface 2011-02-08 12:05:40 pmurray @twit --id 34698788601860096 2011-02-08 12:05:41 zoia pmurray: @MT There are not any plans to erect a statue to Robocop. Thank you for the suggestion. 2011-02-08 12:05:48 gsf enterprise-- 2011-02-08 12:05:51 zoia sorry, i had to spend the whole day babysitting kshepherd 2011-02-08 12:05:59 ranti mbklein: looks like the speakers can just go the podium right away. Unless if we still need to introduce them. 2011-02-08 12:06:00 akorphan linked_data+- 2011-02-08 12:06:02 mjg_ @euphemism "enterprise" 2011-02-08 12:06:02 jaf OLE seems to be a macro approach to building an ILS 2011-02-08 12:06:03 zoia mjg_: what's that got to do with the crack epidemic in flint? http://freep.com/uploads/images/2008/07/saggychart0709.jpg 2011-02-08 12:06:05 BigD To replace iii 2011-02-08 12:06:07 jrochkind i mean if they can do everything they say they want to do, do it well, that will be nice. 2011-02-08 12:06:11 atz interchangable services is a reasonable goal 2011-02-08 12:06:15 dbs Memo to Conifer consortium: the software you've been running your library on and contributing to for 2 years with 3 nines availability (including planned maintenance outages) is not enterprise-level 2011-02-08 12:06:17 edsu jaf: they use Lisp? 2011-02-08 12:06:26 jaf edsu: no they speak clearly 2011-02-08 12:06:27 JodiS added to http://wiki.code4lib.org/index.php/C4L2011_social_activities#Hanging_out_in_the_Hospitality_Suite 2011-02-08 12:06:29 atz dbs++ 2011-02-08 12:06:36 sesuncedu edsu: No - that would not be sucking 2011-02-08 12:06:36 mjg_ JodiS++ 2011-02-08 12:06:44 edsu sesuncedu: heh 2011-02-08 12:06:50 druthb dbs++ 2011-02-08 12:06:53 atz jrochkind: if they can do ANY ONE THING they plan on doing, great. 2011-02-08 12:06:56 akorphan My definition of enterprise-level, in my head anyway, has always been "big, expensive and poorly documented" 2011-02-08 12:06:57 decasm_ 3 is not enough tiers 2011-02-08 12:06:59 jrochkind however, the actual business world seems to have abandoned SOA busses about two years ago. 2011-02-08 12:07:07 MrDys JodiS++ # for still participating even from an ocean away 2011-02-08 12:07:07 druthb plus, I'm looking in my Roget's, and I'm trying to see if I can find out when "enterprise" == "big." 2011-02-08 12:07:08 mbklein ranti: Is anyone from the book giveaway committee in here? Do we have stuff to give away? 2011-02-08 12:07:10 JodiS mjg: hey, I forgot to buy BigD a beer or three when I was in SD. Please stand him a couple for me. :) 2011-02-08 12:07:12 jaf "we don't have a justification statement for doing this" 2011-02-08 12:07:18 mjg_ @arch has tiers running down his face 2011-02-08 12:07:19 zoia THE ARCHITECT HAS TIERS RUNNING DOWN HIS FACE 2011-02-08 12:07:22 mtomko decasm_ : it's enough to approximate XOR with backpropagation 2011-02-08 12:07:23 royt and they're starting coding? 2011-02-08 12:07:27 jrochkind "enterprise" is slightly more useless a descriptor than "cloud". 2011-02-08 12:07:28 gluejar_ just getting into this. But hey, we have an architecture 2011-02-08 12:07:33 gsf @ana enterprise service bus 2011-02-08 12:07:33 jrochkind and "webscale" 2011-02-08 12:07:33 zoia gsf: Best-ever sinecures rip 2011-02-08 12:07:35 royt jrochkind++ 2011-02-08 12:07:39 jtgorman JodiS++ 2011-02-08 12:07:41 JodiS code4lib++ #for being awesome to hang out with, even an ocean away! 2011-02-08 12:07:51 scolford_also we have stuff. and i have random name picker. what i don't have is electronic attendee list. anyone got it? 2011-02-08 12:07:52 atz jrochkind: perhaps the opposite, they are overused 2011-02-08 12:07:55 edsu who needs software if we have diagrams! 2011-02-08 12:08:01 sesuncedu @decide enterprise service bus or short bus 2011-02-08 12:08:01 zoia sesuncedu: go with short bus 2011-02-08 12:08:03 jaf i worry about any project that does not have clear, concrete, and focused goals 2011-02-08 12:08:06 mtomko doesn't believe in formats! 2011-02-08 12:08:15 akorphan edsu: If you did your diagrams in UML, you'd HAVE software! 2011-02-08 12:08:16 sesuncedu I haven't made up my mind about format 2011-02-08 12:08:20 decasm_ the formats are a lie 2011-02-08 12:08:21 MrDys jackrabbit is enterprise web scale 2011-02-08 12:08:25 akorphan ok, not really. 2011-02-08 12:08:26 ecorrado__ ecorrado__ is holding his opinion of OLE until he actually sees the software, but I like what tthey are thinking about 2011-02-08 12:08:28 jrochkind atz: not the opposte, one and the same. A buzzword that doens't actually mean anything but makes people think you are doing something important is VERY popular. enteprirse. cloud. webscale. 2011-02-08 12:08:29 jaf i've done too many without those myself 2011-02-08 12:08:35 gsf edsu++ 2011-02-08 12:08:35 edsu akorphan: you're livin' the dream 2011-02-08 12:08:38 maruyama3 Kuali OLE at USA, Next-L at JPN! Future library system 2011-02-08 12:08:43 atz indeed 2011-02-08 12:08:45 druthb jaf: It has a goal: build an enterprise-level (meaning big)...uhm...nevermind. ;-) 2011-02-08 12:09:05 jrochkind what's kuali rice again? 2011-02-08 12:09:10 erikhatcher no, you can't have a simple search interface! 2011-02-08 12:09:13 mjg_ jrochkind: "enterprise service bus" 2011-02-08 12:09:22 sesuncedu What if... we built an ILS... on top of peoplesoft 2011-02-08 12:09:25 decasm_ magic, got it 2011-02-08 12:09:28 royt "this is where the magic will happen" - love it 2011-02-08 12:09:31 ranti mbklein: I don't know when the book giveaway would be. Take the 10 minutes of the break (14:50pm)? 2011-02-08 12:09:32 ejk live_stream++ 2011-02-08 12:09:38 ndushay can anyone hear me? my conn keeps dropping. 2011-02-08 12:09:43 mbklein sesuncedu: Soylent Evergreen? 2011-02-08 12:09:44 jrochkind this is a good idea. 2011-02-08 12:09:46 mjg_ ndushay: yep 2011-02-08 12:09:46 atz "effectively use linked data" is enough of a goal by itself 2011-02-08 12:09:47 druthb I hear you, ndushay. 2011-02-08 12:09:52 charper jrochkind: it's basically their middleware 2011-02-08 12:09:54 royt the semantic repository is where he loses me 2011-02-08 12:09:58 sesuncedu mbklein++ 2011-02-08 12:09:59 pmurray ndushay: If you are on Code4Lib-N, try Code4Lib-G. 2011-02-08 12:09:59 edsu ndushay: but can we hear you now? 2011-02-08 12:10:06 jrochkind like atz said, if they can do just ONE of these components well, and it really is de-coupled so i can use it... I'll use their semantic repository. 2011-02-08 12:10:10 anna3lc_ wondering what the differences are btwn OLE and XC 2011-02-08 12:10:12 mjg_ semantic repository = metadata store? 2011-02-08 12:10:13 jaf and the semantic repository meets what/which goal/outcome? 2011-02-08 12:10:23 awead bacon++ 2011-02-08 12:10:23 jrochkind heh, the semantic repository is where he got me! 2011-02-08 12:10:26 jaf magic = slight of hand? 2011-02-08 12:10:29 erikhatcher Mmmmm, bacon + chocolate 2011-02-08 12:10:29 gsf erikhatcher: your search interface isn't enterprisey enough 2011-02-08 12:10:30 JodiS "It's kind of like linking chocolate with bacon" 2011-02-08 12:10:32 duspal Chocolate Bacon is delicious 2011-02-08 12:10:33 chelociraptor bacon++ 2011-02-08 12:10:34 MrDys magic = "uhhh...I dunno" 2011-02-08 12:10:37 JodiS he forgot about pie! 2011-02-08 12:10:38 mbklein ndushay: There goes your bacon motif. It's been done now. 2011-02-08 12:10:46 JodiS yo_by++ 2011-02-08 12:10:49 mbklein JodiS++ # chocolate bacon pie 2011-02-08 12:10:50 sesuncedu Jodis: Have bacon AND pie in the fridge 2011-02-08 12:10:54 akorphan "It's not a trick, Michael. It's an ILLUSION!" 2011-02-08 12:10:54 ejk bacon = drink 2011-02-08 12:10:55 ndushay mbklein: everyone needs a bacon motif 2011-02-08 12:11:00 decasm_ this needs more synergy to truly be enterprise 2011-02-08 12:11:04 bmljenny Dang I'm hungry now. He looks like a fiat 2011-02-08 12:11:05 royt jrochkind: good, then maybe you can one day explain it to me so I can understand it 2011-02-08 12:11:07 atz fuck no. you're building a "full blown ERP system"? 2011-02-08 12:11:07 jaf it's hard to use bacon as a metaphor for the ILS. Lipstick on bacon just doesn't sit right 2011-02-08 12:11:11 bmljenny Damn autocorrect 2011-02-08 12:11:13 jtgorman KFS? 2011-02-08 12:11:14 jrochkind royt: sure 2011-02-08 12:11:15 erikhatcher gsf: oh, it's "Enterprise". look, it's right there in the name, so it must be: http://www.lucidimagination.com/enterprise-search-solutions 2011-02-08 12:11:16 atz as a SIDE PROJECT? 2011-02-08 12:11:21 pberry Yay, finally got back on wireless 2011-02-08 12:11:23 mbklein @decide enterprise or cloud or webscale or bacon 2011-02-08 12:11:23 zoia mbklein: go with enterprise 2011-02-08 12:11:25 edsu atz: :-) 2011-02-08 12:11:28 mbklein zoia: you suck 2011-02-08 12:11:29 zoia mbklein: your feedback is priceless 2011-02-08 12:11:30 jrochkind erikhatcher: you forgot to put 'cloud' and 'webscale' in the name. 2011-02-08 12:11:47 pmurray atz: It's already built. Kuali Financial Services is one of the existing systems. 2011-02-08 12:11:53 pberry I tried to get Chico to look at kuali rice a while ago 2011-02-08 12:11:54 jtgorman ah 2011-02-08 12:11:55 Baroquem "A full-blown erp" sounds pretty bad in any context. 2011-02-08 12:11:59 MrDys I smell sterno cannisters...lunch can't be far away 2011-02-08 12:12:00 erikhatcher jrochkind: damn.... i'll get that back to marketing 2011-02-08 12:12:02 jrochkind it's kuali rice SOA messaging bus where he loses me. 2011-02-08 12:12:05 jtgorman KFs = Kuali Financial Services 2011-02-08 12:12:05 pberry But, we ended up with share point somehow 2011-02-08 12:12:08 akorphan I can't keep all the kuali products straight 2011-02-08 12:12:10 sesuncedu sesuncedu is thinking about building a Roll based access control system with BACACs 2011-02-08 12:12:11 edsu Baroquem: i'm w/ you 2011-02-08 12:12:13 JodiS ugh, licensing! 2011-02-08 12:12:17 bmljenny Cloud bacon. It sounds like some of that crazy molecular gastronomy stuff. 2011-02-08 12:12:18 pberry Sharepoint-- 2011-02-08 12:12:23 BigD_ Dead soldiers at #c4l11 I'm predicting this is 1/10th of tonight. http://twitpic.com/3xm18t 2011-02-08 12:12:27 atz pmurray: ah, ok.... why did he talk about it as a new potentiality then/ 2011-02-08 12:12:28 atz ? 2011-02-08 12:12:30 jaf so, i have no doubt the technical expertise is there in this project, but again, building to what goals? 2011-02-08 12:12:36 akorphan Developers: Please give your products mnemonic names! FOR THE CHILDREN! 2011-02-08 12:12:37 decasm_ nervous system? kuali is skynet! 2011-02-08 12:12:39 pmurray atz: I didn't hear it that way... 2011-02-08 12:12:42 tzhaya jrochkind++ 2011-02-08 12:12:43 pberry Kuali OLE: it's bacon-scale 2011-02-08 12:12:45 charper I know it's marketing speak, but what word other than "enterprise" would you all use to discuss the merging of silos? 2011-02-08 12:12:50 jtgorman was KFS on FLOSS? 2011-02-08 12:12:51 mjg_ how many lines of code is this thing gonna wind up with, and who's gonna be able to manage it? how many folks in library IT work with kuali products? 2011-02-08 12:12:55 pmurray atz: (But I already knew what KFS is) 2011-02-08 12:12:55 jaf bacon-scale++ 2011-02-08 12:12:57 ecorrado___ enterprise webscale bacon in the cloud! 2011-02-08 12:13:04 jrochkind i mean, if it WORKS to do that, that'll be useful. 2011-02-08 12:13:09 gluejar_ if vc's had spent $5 million on a startup and after a year hadn't delivered working code, they'd fire the CEO 2011-02-08 12:13:15 jrochkind but yeah what mjg_ said. 2011-02-08 12:13:27 edsu gluejar_: totally 2011-02-08 12:13:31 sesuncedu One week ago? 2011-02-08 12:13:36 mbklein If Cary talks fast too, we can make it to lunch on time! 2011-02-08 12:13:36 edsu gluejar_: luckily this is academia :-) 2011-02-08 12:13:37 akorphan gluejar: tough love! 2011-02-08 12:13:38 decasm_ should i ever present again, i'm going to intentionally omit salient details to force questions 2011-02-08 12:13:38 jrochkind on the other hand, it's an ILS replacement, and we all pay support money for ILSs and shoudln't expect to stop doing that for their replacement. 2011-02-08 12:13:40 ecorrado___ ipd seems to play with the network better ten my MacBookPro 2011-02-08 12:13:41 jaron1 what's the minimal viable product here? 2011-02-08 12:13:51 jrochkind jaron1: that is a better question. 2011-02-08 12:14:00 gluejar_ jaron1: exactly! 2011-02-08 12:14:05 akorphan lunch++ 2011-02-08 12:14:11 gsf elm don't need no mic 2011-02-08 12:14:11 anna3lc bukkit 2011-02-08 12:14:15 edsu is that elm? 2011-02-08 12:14:16 jrochkind three data stores? 2011-02-08 12:14:17 sesuncedu jaron1: iii has set the bar pretty low 2011-02-08 12:14:19 MrDys edsu: yeah 2011-02-08 12:14:24 charper jaron1: that's my struggle, too. I want the ancillary stuff and their starting with acquisitions... 2011-02-08 12:14:26 jtgorman I'm sure there's something I should be asking, but I don't think I'm wrapping my head around this enough to start 2011-02-08 12:14:30 edsu hehe, funny how characteristic his voice is 2011-02-08 12:14:39 sesuncedu the EL is short for Extra Loud 2011-02-08 12:14:39 MrDys edsu: surprised you can hear him over the stream 2011-02-08 12:14:40 eefcee oops, not hearing questions on live_stream 2011-02-08 12:14:41 escowles gluejar_: but that's part of why vc sucks 2011-02-08 12:14:41 edsu s/characteristic/distinctive/ 2011-02-08 12:14:43 jrochkind that part makes me think over-engineered again 2011-02-08 12:14:45 akorphan Maybe now is the wrong time to download GIMP 2011-02-08 12:14:57 mbklein decasm_: The "presentation - details = questions" formula relies on AVG(RAND(paying_attention)) 2011-02-08 12:14:57 druthb concreteness++ 2011-02-08 12:15:00 gsf three types of stuff, three buckets 2011-02-08 12:15:01 ranti ... 2011-02-08 12:15:19 edsu We Will Bury Your Toy Projects In Concrete 2011-02-08 12:15:22 bmljenny I hope these aren 2011-02-08 12:15:23 MrDys @ana raised to the enterprise 2011-02-08 12:15:25 zoia MrDys: Heroines prettiest dear 2011-02-08 12:15:25 sesuncedu eeeek 2011-02-08 12:15:29 jrochkind i don't understand why 'descriptive data' (like MARC) is in a different 'store' than 'semantic data'. 2011-02-08 12:15:36 akorphan gsf: What are the three types? Buckets, silos, and... ? 2011-02-08 12:15:38 bmljenny I hope these are not TOY buckets. 2011-02-08 12:15:38 mbklein O NOES MAH BUKKIT DUSN'T SCALE 2011-02-08 12:15:46 atz i don't get it. these dudes don't have credibility to me. you haven't built A library system, let alone one up to "enterprise level" 2011-02-08 12:15:52 druthb Mah bukkit isn't enterprise-ready! oh noes! 2011-02-08 12:15:56 sesuncedu jrochkind: semantic data should relate to some consensual reality 2011-02-08 12:16:00 decasm_ mbklein: damn, my plan has failed before it got off the ground 2011-02-08 12:16:00 ecorrado___ OLE wanting to replace WorldCAt? 2011-02-08 12:16:02 freqlurker concrete examples are fail here 2011-02-08 12:16:07 jrochkind atz: yes, there is a credibility gap 2011-02-08 12:16:11 rsinger escowles: surely, though, there's got to be some middle ground 2011-02-08 12:16:12 sesuncedu cement overshoes 2011-02-08 12:16:14 mbklein @decide worldcat or lolcat 2011-02-08 12:16:14 zoia mbklein: go with lolcat 2011-02-08 12:16:21 freqlurker my brain shuts down when I hear "enterprise-scale" in this context 2011-02-08 12:16:21 atz i want them to succeed at what they claim. and i'm not seeing. 2011-02-08 12:16:23 chelociraptor freqluker++ 2011-02-08 12:16:23 scolford zoia++ 2011-02-08 12:16:35 gsf @quote add < edsu> We Will Bury Your Toy Projects In Concrete 2011-02-08 12:16:35 zoia gsf: The operation succeeded. Quote #2511 added. 2011-02-08 12:16:39 sesuncedu Think outside the bus 2011-02-08 12:16:45 akorphan Has anyone implemented a LOLCODE compiler yet? 2011-02-08 12:16:52 rsinger escowles: between VC ROI and "never-ending grant money funnel" 2011-02-08 12:16:52 royt royt just got run over by the bus 2011-02-08 12:16:53 freqlurker maybe if they did this presentation after a year of coding 2011-02-08 12:16:53 MrDys ...and you will know us by the trail of buried toy projects in concrete 2011-02-08 12:16:56 BigD Loclcat 2011-02-08 12:16:57 jtgorman is an enterprise bus like a messaging system? 2011-02-08 12:17:01 edsu @decide Enterprise Server Bus or Ken Kesey's Bus 2011-02-08 12:17:01 zoia edsu: go with Ken Kesey's Bus 2011-02-08 12:17:09 gsf does this enterprise bus stop at white castle? 2011-02-08 12:17:10 royt totally 2011-02-08 12:17:10 mjg_2 jtgorman: sounds like a superset 2011-02-08 12:17:13 mbklein jtgorman: yes 2011-02-08 12:17:14 escowles rsinger: sure, but a year doesn't seem like too long to figure this stuff out 2011-02-08 12:17:15 jrochkind avoiding the question 2011-02-08 12:17:15 jtgorman ie if we add a student it notifies people 2011-02-08 12:17:16 sesuncedu Acid free 2011-02-08 12:17:18 sekjal give me something I can download and deploy to a library, and have them be able to continue to do their jobs, and I'll work from there 2011-02-08 12:17:19 druthb gsf++ 2011-02-08 12:17:22 pberry jtgorman: It's not unlike one 2011-02-08 12:17:24 mbklein gsf++ 2011-02-08 12:17:25 anna3lc gsf++ 2011-02-08 12:17:28 druthb sekjal++ 2011-02-08 12:17:29 decasm_ i'm on the short enterprise bus 2011-02-08 12:17:31 edsu s/Server/Service/ 2011-02-08 12:17:31 akorphan white_castle++ 2011-02-08 12:17:32 rsinger escowles: it's been way over a year, though 2011-02-08 12:17:36 mbklein @quote search working 2011-02-08 12:17:41 zoia mbklein: 15 found: #1035: " Not QUITE everything that could go...", #1177: " sorry, busy working on anvil...", #1264: " Happiness is a set of well-documented...", #1387: "edsu: what's twitter? gsf: it's the...", #1775: "< chickmarkley> I don't know of any software...", #1914: "< jrochkind> On the other hand, spending a week...", #1996: " if I can't get this dang (2 more messages) 2011-02-08 12:17:41 bmljenny So this includes an ESB and rice. That sounds delicious. 2011-02-08 12:17:42 duspal "It would be out if they were using the six sigma method. Thats thats the key to everything." --1998 2011-02-08 12:17:44 rsinger @band add Body by White Castle 2011-02-08 12:17:44 zoia rsinger: Band 'Body by White Castle' added to list 2011-02-08 12:17:47 mbklein @more 2011-02-08 12:17:47 zoia mbklein: thing...", #208: "< djfiander> working code always wins", #209: "< mjgiarlo> I'm working on becoming so indie...", #212: " Must keep working on writing all...", #2244: "< jrochkind> i'm totally gonna stay late at...", #2428: "< wtd> There's a conference talk I'd like to...", #465: " open source means just because we...", #518: "< djfiander> there's a working group that's...", and #995: " one (1 more message) 2011-02-08 12:17:49 mjg_ bmljenny++ 2011-02-08 12:17:50 jtgorman I wish my ILS would work with our university's messaging system... 2011-02-08 12:17:51 jrochkind i have no idea what he means by 'community source'. 2011-02-08 12:17:52 gluejar_ My next project is the White Castle service bus 2011-02-08 12:17:56 jrochkind @google kuali license 2011-02-08 12:17:57 akorphan When o'clock is lunch? 2011-02-08 12:17:57 zoia jrochkind: Licensing and Acknowledgments - Kuali Rice - Kuali Wiki: ; Jaxen License - Kuali Foundation - Kuali Wiki: ; P6Spy License - Kuali Foundation - Kuali Wiki: ; Codehaus License - Kuali Foundation - Kuali Wiki: (2 more messages) 2011-02-08 12:18:00 pberry The investment in getting rice going is non-trivial 2011-02-08 12:18:01 MrDys jrochkind: free labor 2011-02-08 12:18:02 royt royt is missing his C4L peeps so much it hurts 2011-02-08 12:18:02 mbklein @quote get 208 2011-02-08 12:18:03 jtgorman jrochkind: Microsoft definition? 2011-02-08 12:18:03 zoia mbklein: Quote #208: "< djfiander> working code always wins" (added by edsu at 11:40 AM, March 01, 2006) 2011-02-08 12:18:04 edsu gluejar_++ 2011-02-08 12:18:10 jrochkind he seems to mean something different by it 2011-02-08 12:18:18 freqlurker akorphan: 12:30 2011-02-08 12:18:18 BigD Who wants to collaborate on a grant to buy an enterprise bus to go get a bucket of white castles? 2011-02-08 12:18:21 decasm_ royt: i prescribe two whiskeys for that pain 2011-02-08 12:18:22 yo_bj I wish my ILS would work 2011-02-08 12:18:26 freqlurker *raises hand* 2011-02-08 12:18:28 royt decasm_++ 2011-02-08 12:18:28 sesuncedu @blame skyriver for roy's pain 2011-02-08 12:18:28 zoia sesuncedu: i pinged skyriver like eight times and they never responded for roy's pain 2011-02-08 12:18:32 gluejar_ Will Kuali be WCSB compliant? 2011-02-08 12:18:34 druthb BigD: I'm in. 2011-02-08 12:18:36 mjg_ jrochkind: it's like open source but not. 2011-02-08 12:18:41 gsf royt: you just can't quit us 2011-02-08 12:18:42 jaron1 so with each sprint they'll release something that works? 2011-02-08 12:18:43 royt sesuncedu++ 2011-02-08 12:18:47 royt gsf: no shit 2011-02-08 12:18:47 ranti ksclarke1: do we have books to give away? 2011-02-08 12:18:50 jrochkind i like the apache license. he said "like the apache license". If it's a lot like the apache license, that's certainly open source. 2011-02-08 12:18:53 edsu @quote add < yo_bj> I wish my ILS would work 2011-02-08 12:18:54 zoia edsu: Error: You must be registered to use this command. If you are already registered, you must either identify (using the identify command) or add a hostmask matching your current hostmask (using the "hostmask add" command). 2011-02-08 12:18:59 kirkhess @pberry I've worked with rice, and I agree 100%. 2011-02-08 12:19:00 zoia kirkhess: リンクライブラリデータクラウドは! 2011-02-08 12:19:03 edsu @quote add < yo_bj> I wish my ILS would work 2011-02-08 12:19:03 zoia edsu: The operation succeeded. Quote #2512 added. 2011-02-08 12:19:10 escowles BigD: i'm in 2011-02-08 12:19:16 MrDys jrochkind: right, which is why I can't understand why they just can't use the apache license 2011-02-08 12:19:21 jrochkind good question 2011-02-08 12:19:23 akorphan jrochkind: If it's "like" the Apache license, then all we know for sure is that it's "like" Open Source 2011-02-08 12:19:24 ksclarke1 ranti: yes, we're working out the logistics still though (getting list of attendees, hooking up to script, etc.) 2011-02-08 12:19:25 pmurray 200 people in channel. videostream++ 2011-02-08 12:19:27 yo_bj edsu++ 2011-02-08 12:19:36 jrochkind that's all we know for sure, right. which is why i am wondering 2011-02-08 12:19:36 jaf i believe the intent is to allow anyone to use the software, but they'll likely only include kuali community members in terms of advancing the software 2011-02-08 12:19:42 royt holy cow, this must be the most folks we've ever had 2011-02-08 12:19:44 sesuncedu like, or "like like" 2011-02-08 12:19:45 druthb Did anyone think to keep count of how many times he said "enterprise?" 2011-02-08 12:19:55 akorphan sesuncedu: it's eating you magic shield! 2011-02-08 12:19:58 pberry It's cool that IU has this level of infrastructure, but its not that common 2011-02-08 12:20:05 jeff druthb: at least 1701 times. 2011-02-08 12:20:08 jaf oooh, 2 more people and the chat room hits 200! 2011-02-08 12:20:08 royt druthb: you would need an enterprise level system to keep track 2011-02-08 12:20:18 mjg_ timmcgeary++ 2011-02-08 12:20:18 BillDueber_ druthb: It's shorter than "the shitty one-off crap that we usually use" 2011-02-08 12:20:18 mbklein (responding to solitary applause) Hey, you, with the clap! Get outta here! 2011-02-08 12:20:19 gsf timmcgeary++ thanks for being the messenger 2011-02-08 12:20:19 pberry I wish I had access to this level of infrastructure 2011-02-08 12:20:21 ecorrado___ MrDys: That was addressed by Brad Wheeler :They needed to add patent things 2011-02-08 12:20:25 BigD Cary won 2011-02-08 12:20:35 BigD Ha. Stupid iPad. 2011-02-08 12:20:43 MrDys patents. great. 2011-02-08 12:20:47 timmcgeary gsf: thanks 2011-02-08 12:20:47 BigD Cary won't finish early. 2011-02-08 12:20:56 sesuncedu Unicorn Patents 2011-02-08 12:20:58 mbklein BigD: MONGO HUNGRY 2011-02-08 12:20:59 druthb royt: lol 2011-02-08 12:20:59 anna3lc timmcgeary++ 2011-02-08 12:20:59 pberry Software_patents-- 2011-02-08 12:21:04 jaf 200! 2011-02-08 12:21:05 decasm_ jaf: how many nicks are dups? mine is. 2011-02-08 12:21:07 mjg_ @sing nas : hoosier state of mind 2011-02-08 12:21:09 jtgorman @quote get 1996 2011-02-08 12:21:09 zoia mjg_: No lyrics found for hoosier state of mind by nas 2011-02-08 12:21:11 zoia jtgorman: Quote #1996: " if I can't get this dang thing working today I'm just rewriting it in perl" (added by gmcharlt at 04:22 PM, September 15, 2009) 2011-02-08 12:21:11 akorphan TICK... TICK... TICK... 2011-02-08 12:21:12 druthb timmcgeary++ 2011-02-08 12:21:14 sekjal I'd like take tonights drinking to the enterprise level: http://www.thinkgeek.com/homeoffice/kitchen/bd88/ 2011-02-08 12:21:15 mtomko USPTO--. software patents are just a corollary 2011-02-08 12:21:19 BigD MONGO LIKE CANDY!!! 2011-02-08 12:21:19 edsu MrDys: yeah, here use our fringe license that has stuff about patents in it ... FAIL 2011-02-08 12:21:33 royt sekjal++ 2011-02-08 12:21:34 timmcgeary so how many times did I say enterprise? 2011-02-08 12:21:35 druthb sekjal++ 2011-02-08 12:21:37 pberry Can we taking drinking to web scale though 2011-02-08 12:21:41 timmcgeary god, I talk to fast 2011-02-08 12:21:43 awead is it kosher to use your own laptop for a lightning talk? 2011-02-08 12:21:44 pberry Take 2011-02-08 12:21:54 jrochkind edsu: can you find the license anywhere? I can't. What's the intent of the "stuff about patents"? 2011-02-08 12:21:55 pberry DAMN YOU AUTOTYPO 2011-02-08 12:21:56 cbeer MrDys, edsu: I think ECL is something Mellon is pushing 2011-02-08 12:22:00 sesuncedu awead: only if you forget the dongle 2011-02-08 12:22:02 anna3lc sekjal++ 2011-02-08 12:22:03 mbklein Hey everyone! Cary's password is •••••••••••! 2011-02-08 12:22:03 royt awead: only if it's been blessed by a Rabbi 2011-02-08 12:22:05 MrDys I will say, that this is the most "industry"-style "open" organized library project I've ever seen... 2011-02-08 12:22:06 akorphan awead: Kosher, maybe, but probably not well advised 2011-02-08 12:22:12 mjg_ @urbandict rad 2011-02-08 12:22:14 zoia mjg_: rad: An abbreviation of 'radical'--a term made popular by the Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles. Still primarily used by people on the West Coast who find words like 'cool', 'awesome', and 'tight' to be tired and overused; 'rad' is generally considered to be a much higher praise than the aforementioned superlatives. Also used as a general expression of awe. [example] "Those are some rad shoes." "Oh, RAD." [/example] ; (3 more messages) 2011-02-08 12:22:15 jaf the room is too quiet 2011-02-08 12:22:28 jtgorman jaf: cause we want food 2011-02-08 12:22:29 edsu jrochkind: not sure, the kevin_spacey lookalike dude this morning wasn't clear about it 2011-02-08 12:22:31 MrDys jaf: blood sugar low 2011-02-08 12:22:32 royt "I'm with the Cherry Hello" 2011-02-08 12:22:32 BigD Crickets! 2011-02-08 12:22:34 scolford @dunno add Hey everyone! Cary's password is •••••••••••! 2011-02-08 12:22:34 zoia scolford: The operation succeeded. Dunno #1121 added. 2011-02-08 12:22:35 pberry don't piss off the av geeks 2011-02-08 12:22:42 MrDys @band add Cherry Hello 2011-02-08 12:22:43 zoia MrDys: Band 'Cherry Hello' added to list 2011-02-08 12:22:45 gluejar_ add "enterprise" to the beer word list 2011-02-08 12:22:47 mbklein Speaking of IRC passwords… http://bash.org/?244321 2011-02-08 12:22:50 jrochkind edsu: It is true that some existing open source licenses don't do a good enough job of giving you permission to use patents owned by code authors. IF they are trying to do BETTER at that, there's nothing wrong with that. Although yeah, still ideally they'd work with someone existing, not just invent their own. 2011-02-08 12:23:00 jaf i feel that we need a spontaneous rap breakout 2011-02-08 12:23:01 atz timmcgeary: i was also curious about the number of developers on the project. robert (mcdonald) says a core of 2 or 3 devs, and then htcglobal's team of between 6 and 30 devs, depending on the size of the sprint 2011-02-08 12:23:02 bmljenny There is no bus to White Castle. http://www.flickr.com/photos/bmljenny/5428711868/ 2011-02-08 12:23:06 awead sesuncedu: I have webpages to show that only run on my laptop, but I could just take screen shots 2011-02-08 12:23:10 BigD 60 hz so good 2011-02-08 12:23:11 edsu jrochkind: seems like tilting at windmills to me 2011-02-08 12:23:16 jaf everyone channel their inner eminem 2011-02-08 12:23:20 pberry Hooray 2011-02-08 12:23:21 mjg_ BigD++ 2011-02-08 12:23:31 sesuncedu My name's cary gordon and I rock the mike 2011-02-08 12:23:33 MrDys drupal's new logo is not horrible 2011-02-08 12:23:34 ecorrado___ Enterprise in High Resolution! 2011-02-08 12:23:35 edsu jrochkind: but could be lots of billable hours in it fo sho 2011-02-08 12:23:38 jrochkind edsu: yeah, why bother even putting an open source license on it at all, it's just tilting at windmills to try to legally license things, clearly. 2011-02-08 12:23:40 timmcgeary atz: that's correct. that does not include partner developers that are coding interchanges between OLE and their enterprise apps 2011-02-08 12:23:52 gluejar_ its really a license for toys 2011-02-08 12:23:52 jtgorman our University actually recently got some sort of enterprise messaging system. Looks cool, but I don't know a useful way to hook into Voyager... 2011-02-08 12:23:55 edsu jrochkind: yeah 2011-02-08 12:23:57 davidWalker this presentation more my speed 2011-02-08 12:24:03 atz timmcgeary: do you imagine that will be the dev structure for the foreseable future? 2011-02-08 12:24:09 BigD bmljenny: So sad! 2011-02-08 12:24:11 ecorrado___ darn people 2011-02-08 12:24:13 sesuncedu enterprise hooks in to v'ger system 2011-02-08 12:24:14 ranti ksclarke1: do you think we could do one this afternoon (before the break)? 2011-02-08 12:24:17 jtgorman jtgorman pictures never having to do another patron feed again or explain to people why even though they got an I-Card an hour ago they're still not in the U system 2011-02-08 12:24:29 edsu yay, drupal 2011-02-08 12:24:33 jtgorman sesuncedu: for patron stuff? 2011-02-08 12:24:38 pkiraly Drupal++ 2011-02-08 12:24:39 mbklein mbklein would rather go to Steak 'n' Shake than White Castle 2011-02-08 12:24:45 mjg_ mbklein-- 2011-02-08 12:24:47 pmurray mbklein++ 2011-02-08 12:24:47 jtgorman sesuncedu: is there some sort of ncip hook? 2011-02-08 12:24:47 eefcee not quite WP is for sure! 2011-02-08 12:24:49 ranti droopaall 2011-02-08 12:24:50 gluejar_ the license won't make a bit of difference, fortunately or unfortunately, depending on your viewpoint 2011-02-08 12:24:51 atz drupal: everything is cool, until you upgrade. 2011-02-08 12:24:54 akorphan mbklein: You can go to BOTH 2011-02-08 12:24:55 eefcee I care! 2011-02-08 12:24:58 akorphan Where is the nearest White Castle? 2011-02-08 12:25:00 timmcgeary atz: I do, but I can also imagine a shift in 6-9 months 2011-02-08 12:25:01 awead steak_n_shake++ 2011-02-08 12:25:05 eefcee (but I'm not there) 2011-02-08 12:25:07 jrochkind you don't need to care about patent licensing until Oracle tells you you can't use open source software they wrote and licensed open source, but didn't license you to use their patents and yo've got to pay them for that. 2011-02-08 12:25:10 duspal Arbys > everyone else 2011-02-08 12:25:12 mbklein akorphan: 22 miles north 2011-02-08 12:25:16 ecorrado (dchud glares at skypers and network troubles) 2011-02-08 12:25:25 Baroquem Is anyone using Drupal 7 yet? 2011-02-08 12:25:27 timmcgeary Here is the OS license Kuali's license is based on : http://www.opensource.org/licenses/ecl2.php 2011-02-08 12:25:28 akorphan mbklein: So close! And yet.... 2011-02-08 12:25:38 edsu ecorrado: maybe he should stop watching the live stream ;-) 2011-02-08 12:25:38 atz timmcgeary: thx 2011-02-08 12:25:46 timmcgeary atz: yw 2011-02-08 12:25:56 mbklein mbklein is waiting for the DRuPaul theme for Drupal 2011-02-08 12:25:59 jrochkind um, where do we sign up for breakouts? 2011-02-08 12:26:06 jtgorman timmcgeary: was kuali on the FLOSS podcast? there's some dim memories stirring in the back of my head 2011-02-08 12:26:10 BigD mbklein: Let's drive to champaign! 2011-02-08 12:26:10 mjg_ mbklein: "Don't blame me; I voted for DRonPaul" 2011-02-08 12:26:18 pmurray jrochkind: http://wiki.code4lib.org/index.php/2011_Breakout_Sessions 2011-02-08 12:26:18 mbklein jrochkind: Don't sign up, just break out, man. 2011-02-08 12:26:18 chelociraptor mbklein++ 2011-02-08 12:26:28 BigD duspal-- 2011-02-08 12:26:32 jaron1 jrochkind: http://wiki.code4lib.org/index.php/2011_Breakout_Sessions 2011-02-08 12:26:34 atz 7 still breaks basic modules I need... that were also broken by 6... 2011-02-08 12:26:36 timmcgeary jtgorman: I'm not sure - it might have been. It wasn't me for certain. I did the Library 2.0 Gang Podcast in March 09 2011-02-08 12:26:55 mjg_ DRonPaul: the first content management system written entirely by libertarian cross-dressers. 2011-02-08 12:27:00 jaf drupal is your friend. druple is... um... well, that pun didn't work 2011-02-08 12:27:01 MrDys drupal 7 christmas 2011-02-08 12:27:14 timmcgeary btw - i'm timmcgeary on Twitter, Google, Yahoo, and Skype if anyone else has questions 2011-02-08 12:27:20 akorphan D7SXE 2011-02-08 12:27:21 ranti ksclarke: do you think we could do some book gieveaway this afternoon (before the break)? 2011-02-08 12:27:22 eefcee wp++ 2011-02-08 12:27:40 edsu timmcgeary: how many developers do you have workin' on all that stuff you talked about? 2011-02-08 12:27:40 ksclarke yes, we are now ready I'm told by scolford 2011-02-08 12:27:45 ksclarke ranti ^ 2011-02-08 12:27:46 akorphan "My module will respect its body and Drupal Core..." 2011-02-08 12:27:47 atz 1000 devs is a ton. 2011-02-08 12:27:50 mbklein ksclarke++ ranti++ scolford++ 2011-02-08 12:28:07 atz same problem now 2011-02-08 12:28:08 timmcgeary edsu: we are ramping up to 30 FT programmers, but currently, probably less than 6 2011-02-08 12:28:13 akorphan atz: I thought it was 2000 devs 2011-02-08 12:28:14 pjb_ sXe = boring 2011-02-08 12:28:18 akorphan atz: Or 1000 METRIC devs 2011-02-08 12:28:24 scolford Indeed ready. (Someone actually has the books, right?) 2011-02-08 12:28:27 dbs timmcgeary: jrochkind: if the ECL is not compatible with the GPL, then that prevents existing open source ILS projects from being able to collaborate, which would suck 2011-02-08 12:28:29 ranti ksclarke++ scolford++ 2011-02-08 12:28:31 mbklein timmcgeary: 30 Ft Developers? Where the F do they sit?! 2011-02-08 12:28:32 BigD Ranti needs a friggin book! 2011-02-08 12:28:34 mbklein yuk yuk yuk 2011-02-08 12:28:37 pmurray drupal_credo-- 2011-02-08 12:28:41 pberry API stability is for suckers 2011-02-08 12:28:49 ksclarke ksclarke wonders if the books have been taken down to the front 2011-02-08 12:28:55 atz unstable API... why not just fork? 2011-02-08 12:28:59 druthb API stability is for people who want to sleep at night... 2011-02-08 12:29:01 timmcgeary dbs: My understanding of ECL is that it is compatible. But I'm not a legal guy 2011-02-08 12:29:03 alxp yeah I love working with D7's api 2011-02-08 12:29:04 jaf ksclarke, ranti: next year let's do a cookie raffle too! 2011-02-08 12:29:05 BigD Whats a book? 2011-02-08 12:29:07 davidWalker davidWalker cries 2011-02-08 12:29:09 MrDys hah 2011-02-08 12:29:12 dbs timmcgeary: cool, I hope so 2011-02-08 12:29:15 timmcgeary mbklein: Either India or Michigan 2011-02-08 12:29:16 MrDys @scalia mostly a cms 2011-02-08 12:29:17 zoia MrDys: 'mostly' a cms 2011-02-08 12:29:17 ranti BigD: p-books, to be exact. 2011-02-08 12:29:18 akorphan buckets? or silos? 2011-02-08 12:29:24 edsu timmcgeary: where is the code that the 6 developers have been working on? 2011-02-08 12:29:25 jrochkind timmcgeary: we are still suspicious of a license based on the ECL which is based on Apache. So many based-on's there, too much reinventing of the legal wheel. 2011-02-08 12:29:31 mbklein BigD: http://www.amazon.com/dp/1596436069 2011-02-08 12:30:08 timmcgeary jrochkind: I hear you. ECL is part of the OS Initiative. I'm hoping they've thought of the problems 2011-02-08 12:30:09 pmurray jrochkind: I think Apache was working on a revision to their license that actually is ECL. 2011-02-08 12:30:13 dbs timmcgeary: ah, according to http://www.gnu.org/licenses/license-list.html#GPLCompatibleLicenses incompatible with GPL v2 2011-02-08 12:30:22 dbs but compatible with GPL v3 2011-02-08 12:30:26 jrochkind timmcgeary: Are you using ECL, or are you using a license 'based on' ECL? 2011-02-08 12:30:32 BigD I like cary's chicago voice 2011-02-08 12:30:46 timmcgeary edsu: Coding just started Feb 1, 2011 - so I'm assuming the code is in their their internal repo right now 2011-02-08 12:30:47 jrochkind dbs: apache license itself, is it compatible with GPL? 2011-02-08 12:30:59 timmcgeary jrochkind: Using ECL 2011-02-08 12:31:01 pberry Kinda has a Roy Blunt Jr thing going on 2011-02-08 12:31:08 jrochkind timmcgeary: okay, that's pretty reasonable, IMO. 2011-02-08 12:31:08 gsf @karma php 2011-02-08 12:31:08 zoia gsf: Karma for "php" has been increased 2 times and decreased 19 times for a total karma of -17. 2011-02-08 12:31:09 akorphan I SMELL LUNCh 2011-02-08 12:31:16 dbs jrochkind: apache license 2.0 is compatible with GPL v3, not GPL v2 2011-02-08 12:31:19 decasm_ i smell php 2011-02-08 12:31:20 akorphan lunch++ 2011-02-08 12:31:26 timmcgeary From Kuali side: "The ECLv2 consists of a set of copyright licensing terms that are documented in the ecl2.txt file. The license terms are written in such a way that they can be used by anyone, not just the Kuali Foundation, and can be applied by reference to the versioned license terms." 2011-02-08 12:31:27 dbs again, if you trust the FSF's legal team 2011-02-08 12:31:30 danwho lunch++ 2011-02-08 12:31:31 timmcgeary https://wiki.kuali.org/display/KULFOUND/Applying+the+ECL 2011-02-08 12:31:37 MrDys t-funk 2011-02-08 12:31:37 mbklein scolford: He's got a bit of Matarazzo going on. 2011-02-08 12:31:46 edsu timmcgeary: er, ok ; that waterfall can be a scary ride 2011-02-08 12:31:50 akorphan Where is lunch relative tot his room? 2011-02-08 12:31:57 yo_bj medication_and_lunch++ 2011-02-08 12:32:01 jrochkind dbs: yeah, makes sense. I blame GPL for that, not Apache. But anyway, plenty of us use apache licensed software, and don't blame anyone for using Apache licenses. ECL is a minor tweak of Apache. 2011-02-08 12:32:08 mbklein @tweet I wish I were at #c4l11, but I'm stuck on this damn Linode cluster in Newark. :( 2011-02-08 12:32:09 zoia mbklein: The operation succeeded. 2011-02-08 12:32:09 pberry You got php in my template! You got template in my php 2011-02-08 12:32:10 jrochkind Personally I _prefer_ Apache-style licenses to GPL style licenses. 2011-02-08 12:32:10 scolford mbklein: indeed. I was trying to place that presentation style. 2011-02-08 12:32:12 edsu yay, old! 2011-02-08 12:32:18 akorphan i remember per-application drivers. 2011-02-08 12:32:19 alxp oh man, printer drivers. That's badass 2011-02-08 12:32:29 BigD akorphan: The doors to the left will open and lunch will appear. 2011-02-08 12:32:38 alxp rmeembers 20 floppies to install wordperfect, 18 of which were printer drivers 2011-02-08 12:32:39 escowles akorphan: i see tables behind the tech guys at the front of the room 2011-02-08 12:32:47 atz 1200 baud modem init scripts..... 2011-02-08 12:32:49 BigD To the right i mean. 2011-02-08 12:32:51 timmcgeary edsu: That's why we are hiring Kuali OLE core team programmers to take back code. I believe they are going to use Amazon servers, too, and then one partner (likely IU) will host the formal code base 2011-02-08 12:32:52 mbklein scolford: He needs to tell a rambling story about drinking adult beverages in Tokyo though. 2011-02-08 12:32:58 jrochkind But at any rate, ECL has been approved by OSI, it is "open source". 2011-02-08 12:32:59 pberry Old school++ 2011-02-08 12:33:07 mbklein jim_matarazzo++ 2011-02-08 12:33:09 akorphan BigD: That makes more sense. 2011-02-08 12:33:10 sesuncedu There were some copies of NT 3.51 at the NoVa Habitat for Humnity ReStore. 2011-02-08 12:33:12 mtomko mbklein: matarazzo would also refer to people as "chief" 2011-02-08 12:33:17 edsu timmcgeary: how long has the project been active without writing any code? 2011-02-08 12:33:34 akorphan sesuncedu: How much were they asking? 2011-02-08 12:33:34 BigD akorphan: Stage left ;) 2011-02-08 12:33:40 mbklein mtomko: True 2011-02-08 12:33:53 edsu timmcgeary: sorry to give you a hard time, but this project, and kuali's "No Toys" mantra scares me 2011-02-08 12:34:03 timmcgeary edsu: 6-7 months of finalizing design and converting them to functional specs via a Data Architect, Business Analyst, and Config Manager 2011-02-08 12:34:04 davidWalker dinosaurs roamed the earth -> print drivers -> drupal 2011-02-08 12:34:08 sesuncedu akorphan: I think $1 2011-02-08 12:34:13 akorphan akorphan checks out the hook while the DJ revolves it. 2011-02-08 12:34:14 gluejar_ toys++ 2011-02-08 12:34:17 mjg_ there's just enough room under the doors to slide a hand in and grab a kaiser roll or two. 2011-02-08 12:34:19 pberry Ha 2011-02-08 12:34:21 timmcgeary edsu: I don't think you are giving me a hard time 2011-02-08 12:34:28 edsu timmcgeary: ok, good :-) 2011-02-08 12:34:36 timmcgeary This is definitely "no toys" yet 2011-02-08 12:34:41 MrDys @ana I own it 2011-02-08 12:34:43 zoia MrDys: It, wino 2011-02-08 12:34:43 sesuncedu akorphan: I remember the beta of NT, which came on floppies 2011-02-08 12:34:54 timmcgeary but I think after OLE 1.0 is released, we'll eagerly encourage toys to be written against it 2011-02-08 12:34:57 davidWalker cary, come back! 2011-02-08 12:35:04 mtomko jon hodgman wrote that some presidents had hooks for hands. 2011-02-08 12:35:05 BigD Royt started drinking scotch -> dinosaurs roamed the earth -> print drivers -> drupal 2011-02-08 12:35:07 akorphan sesuncedu: I think i remember this as well 2011-02-08 12:35:10 mbklein MrDys: That @ana could also be "IT wino," which describes a lot of IT people I know. 2011-02-08 12:35:10 pberry Every time I hear about Drupal development, all i can think is "what could go wrong" 2011-02-08 12:35:13 druthb timmcgeary: As a former system admin, I see a huge amazing pile of moving parts, which is practically guaranteed to give sys admins a *lot* of grey hair, particularly at less-than-enormous institutions. 2011-02-08 12:35:27 timmcgeary What I didn't explicitly say today, but has been said (too) many times in the past, is that OLE is re-defining the back end 2011-02-08 12:35:27 freqlurker pberry++ 2011-02-08 12:35:28 jtgorman timmcgeary: sorry to pile on the negatives, but how does 6 months of design work in with agile workflow? 2011-02-08 12:35:37 akorphan sesuncedu: I remember quad-booting a computer into Windows 95, Windows NT, Redhat, and PC-DOS 7. For some sick reason. 2011-02-08 12:35:50 mtomko there will probably still be a lot of exploding. 2011-02-08 12:35:51 gluejar_ jtgorman: it doesn't 2011-02-08 12:35:52 jtgorman timmcgeary: I haven't kept up with agile, so it's a serious question. Is there a camp that's pro-heavy design period 2011-02-08 12:35:55 jrochkind ANYONE that doesn't think edsu is giving them a hard time is lying. edsu gives everyone a hard time. 2011-02-08 12:36:04 mjg_ is it time for the craft beer drink-up yet? 2011-02-08 12:36:05 mbklein BigD: WHO MADE THE SCOTCH?! 2011-02-08 12:36:06 ecorrado ecorrado wonders what is for lunch 2011-02-08 12:36:09 druthb scaling_down_as_well_as_up++ 2011-02-08 12:36:10 sesuncedu jtgorman: scrums can collapse 2011-02-08 12:36:15 timmcgeary store data, move data, open data is the focus 2011-02-08 12:36:20 bmljenny This is making me nostalgic for word perfect 5.1 for DOS, the best software there ever was. 2011-02-08 12:36:26 gluejar_ no software design has ever survived contact with users unscathed 2011-02-08 12:36:26 BigD mbklein: mjgiarlo's mom 2011-02-08 12:36:27 mbklein edsu++ hardtimer 2011-02-08 12:36:29 ntra_ wp51++ 2011-02-08 12:36:36 MrDys hook_boot 2011-02-08 12:36:36 freqlurker wp51++ 2011-02-08 12:36:38 pberry 2011-02-08 12:36:40 mbklein BigD++ # I set 'em up, you knock 'em down. 2011-02-08 12:36:46 jtgorman jtgorman will remain hopefully optimistic about OLE 2011-02-08 12:36:50 sesuncedu edsu work camp songs 2011-02-08 12:36:50 akorphan I fondly recall WordStar 2011-02-08 12:36:53 royt BigD++ 2011-02-08 12:36:55 edsu mbklein: i guess it's easy to be an @$$hole when you are remote on irc 2011-02-08 12:37:02 mjg_ royts all the way down 2011-02-08 12:37:02 mbklein 211 users (and ghosts, and orphaned nicks) in channel! 2011-02-08 12:37:07 rsinger "no toys" seems like a fucking awful environment to work in 2011-02-08 12:37:09 atz hook_hook_info_alter 2011-02-08 12:37:10 atz wtf 2011-02-08 12:37:13 sesuncedu edsu: Going to be at the DC SemWeb Meetup? :-P 2011-02-08 12:37:17 BigD Edsu wounded my inner child 2011-02-08 12:37:19 jaron1 rsinger++ 2011-02-08 12:37:23 akorphan I also remember deleting almost everything off of my 40 meg hard drive so I could install Wing Commander 2 2011-02-08 12:37:25 MrDys drupal has more hooks than a prosthetics office 2011-02-08 12:37:25 anarchivist @quote add < edsu> mbklein: i guess it's easy to be an @$$hole when you are remote on irc 2011-02-08 12:37:25 zoia anarchivist: The operation succeeded. Quote #2513 added. 2011-02-08 12:37:25 timmcgeary druthb: we hope our work in the early stages eases the administrative for those that follow 2011-02-08 12:37:28 ecorrado is 266 better than 18? 2011-02-08 12:37:37 jtgorman sesuncedu: we don't have any good planning system in place yet really for U of I 2011-02-08 12:37:37 mbklein @rate 266 18 2011-02-08 12:37:38 pmurray s/18/78/ 2011-02-08 12:37:38 pberry hook_captain_captain_hook 2011-02-08 12:37:41 zoia mbklein: 266: 8.4; 18: 9.0. 18 rocks! 2011-02-08 12:37:42 mjg_ MrDys++ 2011-02-08 12:37:43 edsu sesuncedu: yeah, i think so -- i meant to mention it to you ; they are typically pretty mediocre, but fun to get a beer and chat w/ different people 2011-02-08 12:37:45 jtgorman sesuncedu: although we're trying 2011-02-08 12:37:47 timmcgeary jtgorman: We didn't base the first 6 months on Agile 2011-02-08 12:37:59 jtgorman timmcgeary: ah, ok. that makes more sense then 2011-02-08 12:38:03 gluejar_ I think I need to blog about the "no toys" deprecation 2011-02-08 12:38:10 jrochkind hmm, ECL v2 is hosted on OSI web page, but the actual listing of licenses only includes ECL v1. Probably just a mistake on OSI's part. 2011-02-08 12:38:11 edsu gluejar_: please 2011-02-08 12:38:14 timmcgeary jtgorman: We had a point we knew we had to get to to start Sprint 0 (planning) and split up the work among partners to get use there 2011-02-08 12:38:18 charper Just to play devils advocate, I didn't hear anyone say no-toys today. I heard people say our communities shoudl move beyond toys. Why are these mutually exclusive? 2011-02-08 12:38:18 akorphan ecorrado: It depends on WHICH 18 2011-02-08 12:38:25 scolford gluejar_: me too. i wish i had time for toys 2011-02-08 12:38:28 druthb timmcgeary: A system that can be downloade and Just Work for a small town college with a thousand students and 30K bibs is a good goal. If you want something more concrete for goals, I'll Creative-Commons that one for you. 2011-02-08 12:38:30 escowles @karma toys 2011-02-08 12:38:31 jaron1 gluejar_: that'd be a great 2011-02-08 12:38:31 zoia escowles: Karma for "toys" has been increased 1 time and decreased 0 times for a total karma of 1. 2011-02-08 12:38:40 ejk php++ 2011-02-08 12:38:41 escowles toys++ 2011-02-08 12:38:42 jrochkind ah, ECL v2 is listed under 'licenses by name', just not 'licenses by category'. Just an editing mistake on their part I think. It's clearly OSI approved. 2011-02-08 12:38:44 charper As other's pointed out - building toys leads to bigger things, right? 2011-02-08 12:38:51 akorphan akorphan has half a million Legos sitting in boxes that he never has a chance to enjoy. 2011-02-08 12:38:53 jaf btw, the network this year, so far, has overall been pretty darned good 2011-02-08 12:38:58 jaf indiana_network++ 2011-02-08 12:38:59 mbklein @decide drupal or lunch 2011-02-08 12:38:59 zoia mbklein: go with lunch 2011-02-08 12:38:59 jtgorman gluejar_: hopefully no toys != no implementation reference 2011-02-08 12:39:05 jrochkind charper: no, building toys occasionally leads to bigger things. More often it does not. 2011-02-08 12:39:06 tshearerlib it's not the size of your toy, it's how you use it 2011-02-08 12:39:08 pberry lunch++ 2011-02-08 12:39:18 jtgorman jaf: yeah, I agree. Bumpy, but it hasn't gone down yet 2011-02-08 12:39:20 timmcgeary wow - huge network lag now 2011-02-08 12:39:20 edsu charper: trouble is, sometimes people start with the bigger thing, it rarely works well 2011-02-08 12:39:23 bmljenny A certain IT director I know brought a rubber ducky to this meeting. Toys FTW 2011-02-08 12:39:28 sesuncedu charper: sometimes it can; sometimes the toy is not scalable 2011-02-08 12:39:30 jtgorman or at least irc is going ;) 2011-02-08 12:39:34 charper edsu: yeah, that's a very good point. 2011-02-08 12:39:35 pmurray jaf: Yeah, but think about all of the electromagnetic radiation we are absorbing... 2011-02-08 12:39:37 scolford I like Cory. That said, I think I just heard the lunch gong. 2011-02-08 12:39:40 BigD charper: And i heard it as a shot at the DLf 2011-02-08 12:39:41 dchud___ Tap tap tap 2011-02-08 12:39:44 knickum i'm not entirely sure starting with the bigger thing ever works 2011-02-08 12:39:46 mjg_ step 1: cut a hole in a box 2011-02-08 12:39:48 BigD Meeting 2 hrs ago 2011-02-08 12:39:50 rsinger charper: i think the problem is that by referring to projects as "toys" you've basically painted yourself as a) pretty arrogant and b) not really interested in building on other ideas 2011-02-08 12:39:51 decasm_ i need web scale toys!! 2011-02-08 12:39:55 pberry You need at least two dusk to make a row 2011-02-08 12:39:56 mbklein sesuncedu: The toy doesn't need to be scalable. The toy just needs to demonstrate something that's worth scaling. 2011-02-08 12:39:56 BigD Damn this keyboard 2011-02-08 12:39:57 jaf pmurray: you are one step closer to becoming your own access point 2011-02-08 12:39:58 charper BigD: yeah, I heard that too. 2011-02-08 12:40:01 pberry Ducks 2011-02-08 12:40:03 ranti who's the gong master here? 2011-02-08 12:40:05 jrochkind decasm: with more enterprise please. 2011-02-08 12:40:05 edsu BigD: didn't he say the same thing at DLF? 2011-02-08 12:40:10 gluejar_ people used to think mysql was a toy. 2011-02-08 12:40:13 romana sustinance++ 2011-02-08 12:40:17 ecorrado 1:46 left 2011-02-08 12:40:22 rsinger gluejar_: exactly 2011-02-08 12:40:27 dan64 does anyone know why there are two themes dirs? 2011-02-08 12:40:28 MrDys rsinger++ 2011-02-08 12:40:28 anarchivist anarchivist smells pierogies 2011-02-08 12:40:30 akorphan Is this room the seating area for lunch? or is there separate seating? 2011-02-08 12:40:34 edsu gluejar_: yup, and the web 2011-02-08 12:40:38 mcdonald5 are we ready to do a raffle after this speaker? 2011-02-08 12:40:39 pmurray jaf: Just need to shove that uplink where the sun doesn't shine... ;-) 2011-02-08 12:40:42 atz dan64: local and global 2011-02-08 12:40:42 charper rsinger: Huh. I didn't read it as arrogant per se. Only as - can we think larger than bits and pieces... 2011-02-08 12:40:43 pberry gluejar_: Oracle dbas still do 2011-02-08 12:40:44 anarchivist dan64: one is for drupal, one is for the sites 2011-02-08 12:40:46 mcdonald5 lunch is next door in the solarium 2011-02-08 12:40:48 sesuncedu mbklein: It was a big problem with early AI work - the problems were not scalable, and the lessons were not scalable 2011-02-08 12:40:50 jstirnaman1 he said 3 minutes when he started, right? :) 2011-02-08 12:40:53 jtgorman gluejar_: and then they stared using postgres ;) 2011-02-08 12:40:56 royt so what kind of lunch do us streaming users get? 2011-02-08 12:40:58 jaf pmurray: think wireless. wireless. 2011-02-08 12:40:59 akorphan mcdonald5: LUNCH FIRST 2011-02-08 12:41:01 morgan8 root theme dir is default themes included with drupal 2011-02-08 12:41:03 anarchivist royt: liquid lunch 2011-02-08 12:41:06 mbklein mcdonald5: Raffles are a good way to get people back in the room AFTER food. :) 2011-02-08 12:41:06 ecorrado ecorrado meant to say 2:46 earlier 2011-02-08 12:41:06 jstirnaman1 we haven't even seen RAD yet 2011-02-08 12:41:08 mjg_ royt: steamed bits 2011-02-08 12:41:08 jrochkind royt: Food Transfer Protocol 2011-02-08 12:41:11 alxp 'replace everything except your sites folder' then you remember you just overwrote your .htaccess file and you cry 2011-02-08 12:41:11 gluejar_ the same people wanted us to move to windows 2011-02-08 12:41:15 charper rsinger: I definitely see your point, though. 2011-02-08 12:41:18 edsu jrochkind++ 2011-02-08 12:41:18 pmurray jaf: Ah, so it is wireless all the way down.... 2011-02-08 12:41:24 rsinger but it's pretty easy to never deliver anything because you're making it "enterprise scale" 2011-02-08 12:41:25 timmcgeary Lag killed my IRC - I missed anything to me in past 2 minutes 2011-02-08 12:41:26 royt jrochkind++ 2011-02-08 12:41:31 mbklein alxp: dotfiles don't count. 2011-02-08 12:41:35 mjg_ royt: ingest this bitstream, buddy. 2011-02-08 12:41:37 BigD bmljenny: To be fair, i forgot the rubber ducky was in my pocket. 2011-02-08 12:41:39 sesuncedu @decide wireless sprints or sprint wireless 2011-02-08 12:41:39 zoia sesuncedu: go with wireless sprints 2011-02-08 12:41:46 jtgorman timmcgeary: I was mentioning how good th network was and at least irc was running 2011-02-08 12:41:52 jtgorman timmcgeary: so clearly I spoke to soon 2011-02-08 12:41:52 gluejar_ linux is another toy that obviously never went anywhere 2011-02-08 12:41:52 MrDys cvs-- 2011-02-08 12:41:53 royt mjg_: so long as it is ferret-less 2011-02-08 12:41:54 jrochkind royt: i'll stuff lunch in my macbook optical drive, let me know when you receive it. we do have some network congestion issues though 2011-02-08 12:41:55 pberry cvs, yikes 2011-02-08 12:41:56 timmcgeary jtgorman++ 2011-02-08 12:41:59 pmurray 216 people in channel. 2011-02-08 12:42:00 edsu gluejar_++ 2011-02-08 12:42:04 bmljenny BigD: Sure sure 2011-02-08 12:42:05 dan64 anarchivist: thanks 2011-02-08 12:42:07 timmcgeary @karma 2011-02-08 12:42:08 zoia timmcgeary: Highest karma: "mbklein" (409), "edsu" (382), and "anarchivist" (369). Lowest karma: "iii" (-127), "central_IT" (-31), and "solaris" (-16). You (timmcgeary) are ranked 79 out of 2860. 2011-02-08 12:42:10 mjg_ royt: I make no promises. I packed my beardnet in my other pants. 2011-02-08 12:42:12 BigD edsu: I've only been to DLF since rlfrick took over 2011-02-08 12:42:14 royt network indigestion issues? 2011-02-08 12:42:21 atz yeah... looks like CVS $Id 2011-02-08 12:42:22 akorphan MrDys: Are you talking aobut the configuration management system or the drug store? 2011-02-08 12:42:25 edsu gluejar_: perl, python, ruby arguable the same 2011-02-08 12:42:26 gluejar_ forking heck, unix was the best toy of all 2011-02-08 12:42:30 rsinger meanwhile, a "toy" that provides the same I/O that can be swapped out when "enterprise scale solution" is actually farther along than a planning document would help build the other pieces of the ecosystem 2011-02-08 12:42:31 knickum solaris-- 2011-02-08 12:42:32 edsu s/arguable/arguably/ 2011-02-08 12:42:38 MrDys akorphan: the source control system that drupal still uses 2011-02-08 12:42:40 jstirnaman1 yep, cvs still 2011-02-08 12:42:42 edsu php 2011-02-08 12:42:42 sesuncedu You can avoid network congestion control problems by using iRODS 2011-02-08 12:42:44 anarchivist not for long 2011-02-08 12:42:48 atz rsinger: well put 2011-02-08 12:42:50 jrochkind "simple" != "toy". 2011-02-08 12:42:51 pmurray CVS? /me shudders 2011-02-08 12:42:54 MrDys not for long? not until drupal 8? 2011-02-08 12:42:56 jstirnaman1 git coming 2011-02-08 12:42:58 davidWalker @hate procedural product 2011-02-08 12:43:00 zoia davidWalker: The operation succeeded. davidWalker hates procedural product. 2011-02-08 12:43:02 mbklein Can't I just `git checkout -b paying_attention` myself so I can then send mbklein/master to lunch? 2011-02-08 12:43:04 escowles cvs-- 2011-02-08 12:43:06 davidWalker davidWalker looks elsewhere 2011-02-08 12:43:09 ranti *gong* 2011-02-08 12:43:12 timmcgeary first bell - wow! 2011-02-08 12:43:12 edsu ding hehehe 2011-02-08 12:43:16 jrochkind over-engineered super-complex != "enterprise". Well, maybe it does, but that kind of enterprise we don't need. 2011-02-08 12:43:18 anarchivist drupal is migrating to git in two weeks 2011-02-08 12:43:19 pmurray Need a louder ding. 2011-02-08 12:43:22 BigD Toldya he'd go on ;). He loves this stuff. 2011-02-08 12:43:22 akorphan @sing they might be giants : dinner bell 2011-02-08 12:43:22 jtgorman mbklein++ 2011-02-08 12:43:22 mjg_ mbklein: don't make me hate you. 2011-02-08 12:43:24 zoia I've been leaving on my things / So in the morning when the morning bird sings / There's still dinner on my dinner jacket / 'Til the dinner bell rings 2011-02-08 12:43:26 decasm_ drupal 8? just wait for perl 6 ... keep waiting. 2011-02-08 12:43:34 danwho did someone say drupal lunch module? 2011-02-08 12:43:35 gsf @pronounce BoF 2011-02-08 12:43:35 zoia gsf: Remember that you are beautiful because you are different 2011-02-08 12:43:42 jrochkind "i'll be here all week!" 2011-02-08 12:43:47 BillDueber_ "I'll be here all week. Remember to tip your server" 2011-02-08 12:43:54 jtgorman decasm: perl 6 actually now contains all other programming languages and frameworks 2011-02-08 12:44:00 jrochkind from now on, every presentation must end with "i'll be here all week" 2011-02-08 12:44:00 anarchivist is there anybody out there? i can hear you breathing. 2011-02-08 12:44:01 BillDueber_ Lunch!!!!!! 2011-02-08 12:44:04 jtgorman decasm: you use have to remember the right use pragma 2011-02-08 12:44:06 timmcgeary Lunch!!!! 2011-02-08 12:44:06 davidWalker "don't forget to tip your waiters" 2011-02-08 12:44:14 edsu jtgorman: hopefully it has a grammar now too 2011-02-08 12:44:16 akorphan LUNCHHHHHHH 2011-02-08 12:44:21 timmcgeary "Try the fish" 2011-02-08 12:44:22 jstirnaman1 always wanted to eat in a solarium 2011-02-08 12:44:28 gluejar_ great story about when Sit Tim went to JCDL with the WWW. stupid toy. 2011-02-08 12:44:28 mjg_ OUT OF THE WAY 2011-02-08 12:44:28 tokeee Orderly fashion people! 2011-02-08 12:44:32 rsinger is bloomington on central time? 2011-02-08 12:44:34 decasm_ csl 2011-02-08 12:44:36 davidWalker solrarium 2011-02-08 12:44:36 timmcgeary no 2011-02-08 12:44:39 timmcgeary eastern 2011-02-08 12:44:42 gluejar_ s/Sit/Sir 2011-02-08 12:44:42 tokeee Stampeeede! 2011-02-08 12:44:45 rsinger long morning 2011-02-08 12:44:48 edsu enjoy lunch 2011-02-08 12:44:50 sesuncedu JCDL? 2011-02-08 12:44:53 gsf edsu: thanks 2011-02-08 12:50:37 royt 2011-02-08 12:51:13 sesuncedu sesuncedu delivers a googly just outside leg stump 2011-02-08 12:59:24 edsu i bet you could hack together a little mobile web app that would display books about wherever you are using http://www.oclc.org/developer/services/mapFAST 2011-02-08 13:10:28 eby The geo has been an often request here. Still need to get better subject/description data to geocode though 2011-02-08 13:11:41 rsinger @weather 37409 2011-02-08 13:11:42 zoia rsinger: Forecast for Chattanooga, TN: This Afternoon: Mostly sunny. Highs in the mid to upper 30s. Northwest winds 5 to 15 mph. Tonight: Partly cloudy. Lows in the lower 20s. Northeast winds 10 mph or less. 2011-02-08 13:11:48 rsinger ugh 2011-02-08 13:12:10 eby @weather 48912 2011-02-08 13:12:12 zoia eby: Forecast for Lansing, MI: Today: Partly sunny. Scattered flurries until midday. Highs 15 to 20. West winds 10 to 15 mph. Wind chill readings as low as minus 12. Tonight: Partly cloudy. A chance of flurries. Lows near zero. West winds around 15 mph with gusts to around 25 mph. Wind chill readings as low as minus 19. 2011-02-08 13:12:38 eby wind_chill-- 2011-02-08 13:13:23 rsinger all_chill-- 2011-02-08 13:13:36 eby Chillaxin++ 2011-02-08 13:17:56 edsu eby: was thinking it could be a fun experimient with the geo stuff in html(5) http://diveintohtml5.org/geolocation.html 2011-02-08 13:18:43 edsu eby: http://booksfromhere.com that just returns a list of books about wherever the browser says it is 2011-02-08 13:19:49 edsu erm, maybe http://booksabouthere.com :-) 2011-02-08 13:20:15 edsu i wonder if ksclarke still owns aboutness.com ... 2011-02-08 13:20:28 edsu @whois aboutness.com 2011-02-08 13:20:39 zoia edsu: Error: timed out 2011-02-08 13:21:12 edsu oh it was .org and it was kevin's friend david fox 2011-02-08 13:21:18 edsu edsu shrugs 2011-02-08 13:28:32 csharp @weather 30345 2011-02-08 13:28:34 zoia csharp: Forecast for Atlanta, GA: Today: Cloudy in the morning then clearing. Windy. Highs in the mid 40s. Northwest winds 10 to 20 mph. Tonight: Partly cloudy. Lows in the mid 20s. North winds up to 10 mph. 2011-02-08 13:32:24 eby edsu: definitely, it's the "what this book is about" that i'm missing 2011-02-08 13:33:25 ejk streaming lunch = Wendy's 2011-02-08 13:34:30 eby edsu: have you seen datasets with good coverage of where an item is placed or about 2011-02-08 13:34:40 eby our subjects seem random shit 2011-02-08 13:35:19 rsinger eby: how granular does it need to be? 2011-02-08 13:35:42 edsu eby: well just loooking at i wonder if that might be enough http://www.oclc.org/developer/services/mapFAST 2011-02-08 13:35:53 edsu eby: or at least a significant part 2011-02-08 13:36:06 rsinger eby: you should see how many 043s you have 2011-02-08 13:37:54 dbs rsinger: I'm shocked to see we have > 300K 043 $a in our collection 2011-02-08 13:38:05 ranti If anybody seen ksclarke and/or scolford, could you let them know to find me? TIA. 2011-02-08 13:38:22 rsinger dbs: wow! 2011-02-08 13:38:41 dbs dbs wonders if he counted wrong, or how many of them are garbage 2011-02-08 13:38:47 eby eby would have to fiddle with our full create lists 2011-02-08 13:39:19 dericed weird, contributor is only UNTV unless its blank. Or twice it is DPKO 2011-02-08 13:39:30 rsinger dbs: i wonder how many of those that don't have a 651/6XX$z 2011-02-08 13:39:33 eby dbs: yeah i would wonder how much of ours is garbage which is why i'd be curious if there is data out there to match up with 2011-02-08 13:39:37 dericed toAll: OOPS! wrong paste 2011-02-08 13:39:42 zoia atz JUST ISN'T TRYING HARD ENOUGH. 2011-02-08 13:39:57 ecorrado STP/me now has an iPad timer 2011-02-08 13:40:18 eby @quote random 2011-02-08 13:40:19 zoia eby: Quote #1436: " Everybody agreed that semantically ++C would have been even better, but I thought that would create too many problems for non-geeks." (added by gsf at 03:19 PM, June 25, 2008) 2011-02-08 13:40:45 rsinger anybody with any experience with rspec around? 2011-02-08 13:40:54 dchud i'm back baby 2011-02-08 13:40:57 mbklein rsinger: Whaddaya need? 2011-02-08 13:40:58 atz i get no rspec 2011-02-08 13:41:00 ecorrado dchud is back! 2011-02-08 13:41:13 mbklein rsinger: I may be able to help, and ndushay will be on momentarily. 2011-02-08 13:41:19 rsinger mbklein: i need to test that an enumerable actually has something in it 2011-02-08 13:41:29 dchud boooooo 2011-02-08 13:42:12 gsf i never actually streamed the conference video, for the record 2011-02-08 13:42:18 akorphan book giveaway! 2011-02-08 13:42:30 zoia I've got a coke in my pocket *and* I'm happy to see you. 2011-02-08 13:42:36 gsf ranti++ for the mc 2011-02-08 13:42:49 mbklein zoia++ 2011-02-08 13:42:49 rsinger i guess i could have a flag get set in the enumerator.each if it matches and test on that 2011-02-08 13:42:58 anarchivist @quote random 2011-02-08 13:42:58 zoia anarchivist: Quote #637: " Some people, when confronted with a problem, think I know, I'll use XML. Now they have two problems." (added by mjgiarlo at 05:27 PM, January 17, 2007) 2011-02-08 13:43:04 akorphan bishoff are ALMOST those delicious cookies they give you on Delta flights. 2011-02-08 13:43:05 MrDys visiting librarian...don't see that title that often 2011-02-08 13:43:05 atz appropriate that the mobile svcs librarian is "visiting" 2011-02-08 13:43:13 gsf rsinger: hush we're back in session 2011-02-08 13:43:16 ecorrado ecorrado wishes we had a visiting librarian at Bingo 2011-02-08 13:43:21 mbklein Illinois OPACs. I *hate* Illinois OPACs. 2011-02-08 13:43:33 jtgorman you' be surprised that it was designed by committee, I'm sure 2011-02-08 13:43:34 ejk Fire up the streamzorz 2011-02-08 13:43:55 robcaSSon mbklein++ 2011-02-08 13:43:55 gsf mobile_as_an_excuse_to_simplify++ 2011-02-08 13:44:02 akorphan what do you mean we? 2011-02-08 13:44:15 robcaSSon gsf++ 2011-02-08 13:44:31 akorphan native_app-- 2011-02-08 13:44:34 jrochkind gsf: ah, but they DIDN'T simplify their main website, instead they made an additional mobile website. To, you know, simplify 2011-02-08 13:44:39 anna3lc apps-- 2011-02-08 13:44:44 pmurray native_app-- 2011-02-08 13:44:53 atz f the apps. like jason casden said last year. 2011-02-08 13:44:59 akorphan 'app'_as_neologism-- 2011-02-08 13:45:09 akorphan cazzerson++ 2011-02-08 13:45:10 MrDys didn't ncsu end up making an app anyway? 2011-02-08 13:45:19 cazzerson we aren't? 2011-02-08 13:45:19 anarchivist anarchivist fought the apps and the apps won 2011-02-08 13:45:20 jtgorman jrochkind: to change the main website requires more human sacrifices than our budget allows 2011-02-08 13:45:27 ranti no we are not. ;-) 2011-02-08 13:45:32 atz MrDys: yes. but thinly 2011-02-08 13:45:36 jrochkind you make your boss happy by not writing in java? that's a good boss. 2011-02-08 13:45:56 ejk less cool, more function 2011-02-08 13:46:01 akorphan What is the matrix of icons? 2011-02-08 13:46:04 jrochkind i like this presentation already 2011-02-08 13:46:15 ejk yes to one column 2011-02-08 13:46:17 MrDys akorphan: look at the app for duke, stanford, etc. 2011-02-08 13:46:25 akorphan MrDys: Joking. 2011-02-08 13:46:32 ecorrado only ine column for webapp 2011-02-08 13:46:35 atz g1 seems to support everything... 2011-02-08 13:46:37 ecorrado one 2011-02-08 13:46:45 gsf designing_for_dumb_phones-- 2011-02-08 13:46:56 atz there's the ncstate app 2011-02-08 13:46:59 jrochkind why does illinois university have a title that says 'digg'? 2011-02-08 13:47:03 akorphan atz: It's a website. 2011-02-08 13:47:07 ecorrado #weather 13760 2011-02-08 13:47:08 atz exactly 2011-02-08 13:47:12 MrDys jrochkind: it was digg 2011-02-08 13:47:17 gsf gsf still likes http://m.library.oregonstate.edu/ 2011-02-08 13:47:24 mbklein gsf: They should just design the site to be *used* by my phone. It's smarter than I am. 2011-02-08 13:47:29 jtgorman jrochkind: those were examples of other mobile sites that inspired them 2011-02-08 13:47:32 iPat Grrrr, iPad just can't get any pipe 2011-02-08 13:47:35 mbklein griggsk++ 2011-02-08 13:47:39 akorphan iPad-- 2011-02-08 13:47:47 MrDys I do like OSU's mobile site 2011-02-08 13:47:54 akorphan information_architecture++ 2011-02-08 13:48:03 gsf mbklein: my phone does all my coding for me 2011-02-08 13:48:23 akorphan live_demos+- 2011-02-08 13:48:30 ranti ksclarke: we can haz book raffle before the break? 2011-02-08 13:48:31 ejk skinny_firefox+- 2011-02-08 13:48:32 mbklein gsf: Oh yeah? Well, *my* phone raises my children for me! 2011-02-08 13:48:39 mtomko can he make that website grail-shaped? 2011-02-08 13:48:51 ksclarke ranti ask scolford he's going to do it 2011-02-08 13:48:55 iPat iPhone is picking up attwifi. Nice 2011-02-08 13:48:58 MrDys it took me only an hour to make the jhu mobile site (http://www.library.jhu.edu/mobile/mobile.html) iUI++ 2011-02-08 13:49:00 knickum mbklein: can your phone raise my children? 2011-02-08 13:49:10 mbklein All: If you're having trouble getting/staying connected to freenode, try port 8000 instead of the default 6667. 2011-02-08 13:49:12 anna3lc test 2011-02-08 13:49:24 mbklein anna3lc: pong 2011-02-08 13:49:26 MrDys gross. 2011-02-08 13:49:27 jtgorman I hate this thing 2011-02-08 13:49:28 akorphan gigantic_grid-- 2011-02-08 13:49:29 atz phear 2011-02-08 13:49:38 yo_bj need eye bleach! 2011-02-08 13:49:40 gsf interface fail 2011-02-08 13:49:46 jtgorman supported by generations of undergraduate students :P 2011-02-08 13:49:49 ranti scolford: we can haz book raffle before the break? 2011-02-08 13:49:50 MrDys that doesn't even need user testing 2011-02-08 13:49:52 scolford ranti, ksclarke: I am right down front right by the soundboard. I am ready with names if someone has books to give away. 2011-02-08 13:49:53 MrDys that's just wrong 2011-02-08 13:50:00 lbjay i'm so ashamed of how much raw code i'm about to show 2011-02-08 13:50:00 atz ranti: i think so 2011-02-08 13:50:06 gsf mbklein: iBabysitter 2011-02-08 13:50:07 jrochkind MrDys: that's very much like our website. 2011-02-08 13:50:08 mbklein scolford++ ranti++ ksclarke++ 2011-02-08 13:50:15 MrDys jrochkind: don't think that I don't know that 2011-02-08 13:50:20 skoczko it's actually really lovely - you can use Ctrl+F to search the site 2011-02-08 13:50:22 MrDys I'm just saying that they didn't need to test for that 2011-02-08 13:50:23 paulalbert What's the URL for this page? 2011-02-08 13:50:28 ejk uh-oh, stream fail... 2011-02-08 13:50:39 pberry Who the he'll I 2011-02-08 13:50:41 akorphan "click here".... 2011-02-08 13:50:49 pberry Hell is streaming from the hall 2011-02-08 13:50:52 ranti scolford, ksclarke: Thx. I'll talk with Chanitra re: the books 2011-02-08 13:50:59 gluejar I like the "open now" choice 2011-02-08 13:51:01 jtgorman the mapping is actually really impressive 2011-02-08 13:51:02 mbklein gsf: I was just going to let the kids be raised by TV like I was, but then I realized that would leave me unable to watch the TV. Ergo, phone. 2011-02-08 13:51:13 jtgorman all maps for U of Illinois on campus level are a group of ancient pdfs 2011-02-08 13:51:38 lbjay is the live stream video tightly zoomed on the podium? 2011-02-08 13:51:41 eefcee but I want the hours of the library I am near, location service 2011-02-08 13:51:51 scolford ranti: awesome. i am at your disposal whenever you need me. 2011-02-08 13:51:55 gsf lbjay: why don't you watch it and find out 2011-02-08 13:52:00 julia_ lbjay: It switches. Sometimes on the podium, sometimes on the slides. 2011-02-08 13:52:01 mbklein gsf-- 2011-02-08 13:52:06 lbjay gsf-- # encouraging bad behavior 2011-02-08 13:52:16 mbklein gsf: ENABLER 2011-02-08 13:52:23 gluejar this is a great toy! 2011-02-08 13:52:25 lbjay so not a good idea to do my hans rosling act? 2011-02-08 13:52:26 MrDys I learned it by watching you, gsf 2011-02-08 13:52:27 atz lat/lon++ 2011-02-08 13:52:49 mbklein MrDys++ 2011-02-08 13:52:54 gsf is this mobile site web scale? 2011-02-08 13:52:59 atz what? you used logs? 2011-02-08 13:53:07 akorphan click_here_language-- 2011-02-08 13:53:11 MrDys lbjay: I overheard the video tech guys getting grumpy about librarywebchic moving around 2011-02-08 13:53:15 akorphan libraries_open_now++ 2011-02-08 13:53:20 mbklein gsf: It's mobile webscale. 2011-02-08 13:53:26 jrochkind so why don't they do that have a yes/no next to each library? 2011-02-08 13:53:38 atz color coding would work too 2011-02-08 13:53:41 pberry Click here will never die 2011-02-08 13:53:46 lbjay MrDys: yeah, i heard there are mic issues if you're not speaking directly into the podium 2011-02-08 13:53:49 tokeee libraries_open_now_and_at_least_one_hour_from_now++ 2011-02-08 13:53:52 pberry It's like a zombie... 2011-02-08 13:53:54 akorphan pberry: They're not even "clicking" on a mobile device.... 2011-02-08 13:53:55 skoczko parsing opening hours -- that should quite doable by the udnergrads 2011-02-08 13:53:57 mbklein click_here-- 2011-02-08 13:54:00 lbjay with the stream at least 2011-02-08 13:54:03 atz pberry: actually, i don't see "click here" lasting another generation 2011-02-08 13:54:05 pberry Bad touch here 2011-02-08 13:54:06 jrochkind hmm, if you had an hours with 'open now' have to make sure you hae a way to over-ride for weather or other unexpected closings. 2011-02-08 13:54:11 lbjay pberry++ 2011-02-08 13:54:14 gsf lbjay: that's a lectern 2011-02-08 13:54:18 akorphan @sing Bloodhound Gang : The Bad Touch 2011-02-08 13:54:20 gsf lbjay: he's standing on the podium 2011-02-08 13:54:23 lbjay gsf: fu 2011-02-08 13:54:23 julia_ lbjay: The sounds is really pretty good, but yeah, stepping too far back from the mike isn't a good plan. 2011-02-08 13:54:36 zoia So let's do it like they do on the Discovery Channel / Do it again now / You and me baby ain't nothin' but mammals / So let's do it like they do on the Discovery Channel 2011-02-08 13:54:36 jrochkind a forked vufind? shocking! 2011-02-08 13:54:40 ejk Show me on the phone where you clicked here 2011-02-08 13:54:43 jtgorman vufind via CARLI forked and hasn't really been doing anything to update it ... 2011-02-08 13:54:44 gsf lbjay: kung 2011-02-08 13:54:44 mjg_1 "Touch here" sounds creepy. 2011-02-08 13:54:46 atz bummers... 2011-02-08 13:54:50 mbklein pberry++ 2011-02-08 13:54:50 davidWalker @eightball are there any non-forked VUFinds ? 2011-02-08 13:54:51 zoia davidWalker: About as likely as pigs flying. 2011-02-08 13:54:52 zoia I've got a coke in my pocket *and* I'm happy to see you. 2011-02-08 13:54:56 ecorrado jrochkind: is there an unforked VUfind? 2011-02-08 13:54:58 pberry Now he has two problems 2011-02-08 13:55:00 jrochkind he's screen-scraping his own vufind? seriously? 2011-02-08 13:55:04 akorphan mjg_1: What about just a link that says "Libraries Open Now" 2011-02-08 13:55:12 akorphan The interface should make it clear that it's touch/clickable 2011-02-08 13:55:16 BillDueber jrochkind: No, he's not. 2011-02-08 13:55:16 mbklein Links are nouns, not verbs. 2011-02-08 13:55:21 mjg_ akorphan: less creepy. 2011-02-08 13:55:22 jtgorman jrochkind: it's not ours, it's the consortium 2011-02-08 13:55:24 jrochkind BillDueber: what was he saying about regular expressions? 2011-02-08 13:55:25 gsf ooh vufind slam 2011-02-08 13:55:33 lbjay gsf: i could start throwing things at your head really easy 2011-02-08 13:55:45 jtgorman jrochkind: and there's some bad blood about this, but basically the consortium isn't improving it but not giving any members access to improve it 2011-02-08 13:55:45 gsf can't wait for the retaliation from demian 2011-02-08 13:55:46 mbklein Buttons and other controls are verbs. 2011-02-08 13:55:47 BillDueber Wait, really? He's scraping it??? 2011-02-08 13:55:48 mjg_ @karma anchor_tag_fundamentalism 2011-02-08 13:55:49 zoia mjg_: anchor_tag_fundamentalism has neutral karma. 2011-02-08 13:55:55 atz fatty_fingers-- 2011-02-08 13:56:10 anna3lc hello internets! 2011-02-08 13:56:10 BillDueber CARLI-- 2011-02-08 13:56:13 decasm_ i need a dialing wand 2011-02-08 13:56:17 jrochkind BillDueber: i dunno, it went by too quick. something about regexps. 2011-02-08 13:56:23 atz (like me trying to use phone gestures w/ my gloves on) 2011-02-08 13:56:24 escowles scraping is just a dirty word for proxying 2011-02-08 13:56:28 pberry WE'LL DO IT LIVE 2011-02-08 13:56:29 dchud_ net keeps dropping and readding. you must be this tall to ride... 2011-02-08 13:56:39 mbklein gsf: It took me the better part of an hour to realize that we were going to be hearing from Demian Katz and not CouchDB creator Damien Katz. 2011-02-08 13:56:44 lbjay infinite_jest++ 2011-02-08 13:56:47 jtgorman I tried to give them a few patches a while ago and they never incorporated them 2011-02-08 13:56:49 atz "click for details".... but click WHERE? 2011-02-08 13:56:55 mjg_ CARLI's so vain. 2011-02-08 13:57:07 pmurray "giving voyager a load" --- heh, heh. 2011-02-08 13:57:07 MrDys mjg_++ 2011-02-08 13:57:08 lbjay tho too many people reading it just because the dude offed himself i fear 2011-02-08 13:57:11 gsf mbklein: yeah it's kinda weird 2011-02-08 13:57:16 gsf @damlev damien demian 2011-02-08 13:57:16 zoia gsf: The Damerau-Levenshtein distance between "damien" and "demian" is 2. 2011-02-08 13:57:16 atz mjg_: you probably think this HTTP GET request is about you. 2011-02-08 13:57:20 BillDueber mjg_: Mick Jagger is going to join him on stage any second 2011-02-08 13:57:28 zoia mbklein has ordained that the men who went to the moon to explore in peace will stay on the moon to rest in peace. 2011-02-08 13:57:28 mcdonald1 so is everyone getting thrown off the network now? I have moved to sprint service 2011-02-08 13:57:31 mjg_ mjg_ snorts 2011-02-08 13:57:34 zoia zoia sobs 2011-02-08 13:57:34 MrDys gross gross grossness 2011-02-08 13:57:34 ndushay1 mcdonald1: yes. 2011-02-08 13:57:34 jrochkind BillDueber: kinda looks like screen-scraping, huh? 2011-02-08 13:57:42 mjg_ mcdonald1: yeah, it's pretty spotty 2011-02-08 13:57:46 jtgorman they've been doing pretty good w/ log analysis 2011-02-08 13:57:46 pmurray mcdonald1: Yeah. Lots of bouncing in and out. 2011-02-08 13:57:56 mjg_ always nice to see a new face on stage 2011-02-08 13:58:00 pberry better luck on the g network 2011-02-08 13:58:04 gsf @quote add < atz> mjg_: you probably think this HTTP GET request is about you. 2011-02-08 13:58:04 zoia gsf: The operation succeeded. Quote #2514 added. 2011-02-08 13:58:09 mcdonald1 yeah - well before lunch we had 177 devices on 1 ap 2011-02-08 13:58:12 jeff decasm_: dialing wand? how about a bus pass wand? http://imgur.com/L4dVZ 2011-02-08 13:58:17 pmurray mcdonald1: Both -G and -N are spotty for me now, but -G seems to be behaving better. 2011-02-08 13:58:18 davidWalker adobe-- 2011-02-08 13:58:18 lbjay mjg_: i gotcher new face right here 2011-02-08 13:58:31 pberry Ouch 2011-02-08 13:58:40 mbklein mcdonald1 did say they were adding capacity, so let's see how it goes. 2011-02-08 13:58:46 mjg_ lbjay: are you wearing your a-hole face today? 2011-02-08 13:58:50 ranti Books are displayed next to scolford. 2011-02-08 13:58:50 pmurray pmurray channels Adam Sandler: "Well, there's your problem!" 2011-02-08 13:58:59 jrochkind was it an enterprise bus provider? 2011-02-08 13:59:02 mbklein My friend Arlo invented Konfabulator. 2011-02-08 13:59:03 dchud_ haven't thought about confabulator in a long while 2011-02-08 13:59:09 mbklein konfabulator++ 2011-02-08 13:59:10 dlBarth_ i'm seeing more APs on G than on N, which may explain some things 2011-02-08 13:59:32 robcaSSon @provide weed bus 2011-02-08 13:59:33 zoia robcaSSon: nm, too much hate too quickly 2011-02-08 13:59:38 mbklein Arlo has a very nice house in Mountain View thanks to the $$$ Yahoo! paid for Konfabulator. 2011-02-08 13:59:45 lbjay mjg_: i got my rowing face on: https://s-hphotos-snc4.fbcdn.net/hs104.snc4/35539_428885877791_625867791_5649228_131704_n.jpg 2011-02-08 14:00:06 helrond my friend Arlo invented Alice's Restaurant 2011-02-08 14:00:10 gsf they look to the library for information? crazy 2011-02-08 14:00:25 dchud helrond: i thought alice and her restaurant were real? 2011-02-08 14:00:26 atz fun codes!? 2011-02-08 14:00:28 MrDys ah, yes indeed it's FUN time 2011-02-08 14:00:29 gsf @damlev voyager fun 2011-02-08 14:00:29 zoia gsf: The Damerau-Levenshtein distance between "voyager" and "fun" is 7. 2011-02-08 14:00:38 jtgorman ok, maybe it's good my connection dropped out when people saw the interface 2011-02-08 14:00:39 atz weeeeeeeeeeee 2011-02-08 14:00:39 pberry gsf: Like what's on the lunch menu? 2011-02-08 14:00:39 ranti ... 2011-02-08 14:00:42 jrochkind an academic library that does dewey, cool. 2011-02-08 14:00:48 jtgorman jrochkind: not much longer 2011-02-08 14:00:48 pjb1 i thought alice worked at mel's restaurant 2011-02-08 14:00:50 pmurray Oh, yeah -- that's right. UIll is still using Dewey. 2011-02-08 14:00:51 ecorrado 2 minute warning! 2011-02-08 14:00:52 helrond dchud: yeah, they are really. 2011-02-08 14:01:08 mbklein pjb1: Kiss mah grits 2011-02-08 14:01:12 jtgorman jrochkind: our University Librarian mentioned we're going to be migrating off at some point 2011-02-08 14:01:18 jrochkind jtgorman: to what? 2011-02-08 14:01:20 ejk mbklein++ 2011-02-08 14:01:29 atz Tera-WURFL ... eh? 2011-02-08 14:01:34 jrochkind jtgorman: and why the hell would it be worth the pain? Relabelling all your books? really? 2011-02-08 14:01:36 jtgorman jrochkind: probably library of congress 2011-02-08 14:01:44 BigD1 i want a cookie 2011-02-08 14:01:47 davidWalker @who is the next guy to bring down the library infrastructure? 2011-02-08 14:01:47 zoia fordmadox is the next guy to bring down the library infrastructure. 2011-02-08 14:01:55 mjg_ the next theater in the Global War on Tera will be in WURFLstan 2011-02-08 14:02:03 mbklein mjg_++ 2011-02-08 14:02:12 julia_ Somebody hand the questioner a mic! 2011-02-08 14:02:12 helrond mjg_ ++ 2011-02-08 14:02:20 jtgorman jtgorman is glad though the virtual bookshelf allowed Josh to hook in pretty easily. That's it was mostly entertained 2011-02-08 14:02:50 mjg_ tweetdeck-- 2011-02-08 14:03:00 jtgorman s/entertained/meant for/ 2011-02-08 14:03:19 atz i'm betting Illinois business or athletics has a mobile presentation 2011-02-08 14:03:25 anna3lc nice site 2011-02-08 14:03:28 jtgorman I wish we had campus suport for the geo stuff 2011-02-08 14:03:33 mbklein Anyone know if Josh Bishoff is any kin to digital preservationist Liz Bishoff? 2011-02-08 14:03:37 mjg_ mjg_ new_faces_that_aren't_lbjay's++ 2011-02-08 14:03:57 bmljenny Love the geo stuff, we could get the coordinate data pretty easily with a gps. 2011-02-08 14:04:04 mbklein mbklein new_hats_that_aren't_lbjay's++ 2011-02-08 14:04:10 eligerman mbklein: nope, not related 2011-02-08 14:04:14 ejk Rapid Open Source Development = use git 2011-02-08 14:04:22 jstirnaman slaughtering_presenter's_last_name-- 2011-02-08 14:04:23 jtgorman bmljenny: yeah, it baffles me why no one on our campus level hasn't done that. Josh had to do that himself 2011-02-08 14:04:29 helrond windows -- 2011-02-08 14:04:30 decasm_ ultra-rapid is not fast enough 2011-02-08 14:04:35 atz http://campustechnology.com/articles/2009/07/29/going-mobile-university-of-illinois-delivers-its-portal-to-mobile-users.aspx 2011-02-08 14:04:37 davidWalker web services manager! 2011-02-08 14:04:50 mbklein questionable_taste++ 2011-02-08 14:04:51 dchud he's reading this isn't he. 2011-02-08 14:04:54 gsf haze_of_git_pushes++ 2011-02-08 14:04:57 ecorrado ecorrado spent his summer vacation in Romania 2011-02-08 14:04:58 pberry Mostly 2011-02-08 14:04:59 edsu :-) 2011-02-08 14:05:07 atz http://illinois.edu/mobile/ 2011-02-08 14:05:10 BigD aw, that's how mjg_ and I came up wit CURATEcamp! 2011-02-08 14:05:10 pberry It's okay though 2011-02-08 14:05:17 mjg_ ♥ 2011-02-08 14:05:28 dchud if this is how he spent his vacation he apparently was drinking in the back :) 2011-02-08 14:05:30 MrDys BigD: awwww why don't you sit right next to one another 2011-02-08 14:05:34 pberry Writing it down means not winging it 2011-02-08 14:05:52 atz zotero still developed? 2011-02-08 14:05:54 jrochkind reading.written.lecture-- 2011-02-08 14:05:56 ndushay1 the network is insufficient 2011-02-08 14:05:57 BigD MrDys: jealous of our manlove 2011-02-08 14:06:09 BigD bromance? 2011-02-08 14:06:14 lbjay @sing nick winters 2011-02-08 14:06:17 zoia lbjay: No songs found by nick winters 2011-02-08 14:06:18 pmurray atz: Yeah -- Zotero is still under active development. 2011-02-08 14:06:23 mjg_ reading_written_comments_if_the_comments_are_funny++ 2011-02-08 14:06:27 dchud funny how some DH people rail against people reading their talks at humanities events and he's reading this here 2011-02-08 14:06:30 decasm_ BigD: brorotic adventure 2011-02-08 14:06:47 knickum oh my, im gonna have to let steve ramsay know his legs in shorts were shown off at c4l 2011-02-08 14:06:50 pmurray atz: They are working on a standalone (e.g. non-Firefox) version of Zotero. 2011-02-08 14:06:56 mjg_ 1W1T is an interesting model 2011-02-08 14:07:05 gluejar oh boy, this is about anthologize!! 2011-02-08 14:07:06 mjg_ to switch tracks from style to substance a bit 2011-02-08 14:07:14 maccabee if your written talk includes cylon jokes, read away! 2011-02-08 14:07:18 gsf ha 2011-02-08 14:07:19 mjg_ cazzerson++ 2011-02-08 14:07:19 atz pmurray: thx 2011-02-08 14:07:20 mbklein cazzerson++ 2011-02-08 14:07:22 jrochkind glad that there's no bitterness 2011-02-08 14:07:23 rsinger @fight "Tera-WURFL" "Danny Wuerffel" 2011-02-08 14:07:24 zoia rsinger: Danny Wuerffel: 4990, Tera-WURFL: 942 2011-02-08 14:07:38 ndushay1 cylons: collect all the models! 2011-02-08 14:07:52 ejk The have a plan (not really) 2011-02-08 14:07:52 mjg_ that looks like the repo I'm architecting 2011-02-08 14:07:56 pberry cylons bad 2011-02-08 14:08:01 ejk s/The /They 2011-02-08 14:08:01 anna3lc whiteboards++ 2011-02-08 14:08:25 dchud thing is, if i were at this event, i'd be declared the tool 2011-02-08 14:08:29 BigD this is the only "read" talk that hasn't annoyed me 2011-02-08 14:08:37 ndushay1 yay! whiteboards and sticky notes 2011-02-08 14:08:40 chelociraptor smartboards++ 2011-02-08 14:08:40 mbklein mjg_: That whiteboard looks like where your repo framework ran into your decision tree about where to eat lunch 2011-02-08 14:08:50 mjg_ @arch is the tool 2011-02-08 14:08:50 zoia THE ARCHITECT IS THE TOOL 2011-02-08 14:08:52 MrDys whiteboards++ 2011-02-08 14:08:54 BigD maybe cuz he's funny? looks up? 2011-02-08 14:08:56 ndushay1 people: do NOT stream video during the sessions! 2011-02-08 14:09:01 anna3lc smartboards++ 2011-02-08 14:09:08 mjg_ mbklein++ 2011-02-08 14:09:28 gluejar imagine if kuali took the 1 week 1 tool approach! 2011-02-08 14:09:28 pberry Smartboards, neither smart...nor boards. 2011-02-08 14:09:36 BigD mtv coders 2011-02-08 14:09:36 jrochkind ndushay1: but i want to watch the streaming video of the presenter, instead of looking at the real in person presenter! 2011-02-08 14:09:51 ndushay1 u b messing w my bandwidth 2011-02-08 14:10:01 sesuncedu I want someone to stream video of their IRC session 2011-02-08 14:10:08 ejk [USERNAME]1++ 2011-02-08 14:10:08 edsu gluejar: but what about the millions of dollars!? 2011-02-08 14:10:08 atz yeah, *this* is actual agile programming, not Agile Development(TM) 2011-02-08 14:10:13 mbklein jrochkind: Here, I'll point my iSight at the monitor so you can watch my streaming video of the streaming video of the presenter. 2011-02-08 14:10:14 jtgorman sesuncedu: uh, I found a tool that does that 2011-02-08 14:10:23 druthb atz++ 2011-02-08 14:10:27 sesuncedu jtgorman: is it mjg? 2011-02-08 14:10:31 jtgorman sesuncedu: webcamstudio 2011-02-08 14:10:36 jrochkind mbklein: perfect! 2011-02-08 14:10:45 jtgorman sesuncedu: oh, wait, that was a serious answer 2011-02-08 14:11:01 ndushay1 i wanna be on the team that sits on comfy chairs and codes 2011-02-08 14:11:11 atz ndushay1: apparently in a bar, too 2011-02-08 14:11:12 jrochkind by 'outreach', he means 'marketting'? 2011-02-08 14:11:16 jtgorman sesuncedu: sorry. Instead we should just get someone who will hold their ipad next to the camera 2011-02-08 14:11:48 sesuncedu stream video of ndushay delivering a beatdown :-P 2011-02-08 14:11:57 timmcgeary yeah! I got on here via Adium 2011-02-08 14:11:57 gluejar edsu: 52 weeks, 52 tools? 2011-02-08 14:12:11 edsu gluejar: 52 million dollars! 2011-02-08 14:12:13 BigD what's the irc code to suppress the non-dialog text? 2011-02-08 14:12:14 ndushay1 there are a lot more than 52 tools in here. 2011-02-08 14:12:18 chelociraptor gluejar++ 2011-02-08 14:12:23 akorphan wireless is slowing down.... 2011-02-08 14:12:23 dbs edsu++ gluejar++ 2011-02-08 14:12:27 pberry Call techcrunch 2011-02-08 14:12:29 julia_ ndushay++ 2011-02-08 14:12:32 ndushay1 tools --> geeks 2011-02-08 14:13:21 gluejar 4 user interviews! in one week! 2011-02-08 14:13:27 jtgorman I missed soemthing, what are we looking at? 2011-02-08 14:13:49 atz these must be wireframes 2011-02-08 14:13:51 jrochkind wireframe mockups for the Anthologize WP plug-in, that turns your blog into a printable PDF. 2011-02-08 14:13:57 pmurray jtgorman: These are the wireframe mockups of the plugin. 2011-02-08 14:14:00 chelociraptor excessive_pictures_of_coders++\ 2011-02-08 14:14:02 helrond jtgorman: stunningly beautiful wireframes 2011-02-08 14:14:06 maccabee only macbooks allowed 2011-02-08 14:14:12 dchud "it was the best of times, it was the blurst of times..." 2011-02-08 14:14:14 anarchivist1 balsamiq++ 2011-02-08 14:14:15 ranti jtgorman: it says "my Great Project" on it. 2011-02-08 14:14:15 pberry That's a lot of MacBooks 2011-02-08 14:14:17 sibylschaefer what program were those wireframes done in? 2011-02-08 14:14:22 freqlurker stunning indeed 2011-02-08 14:14:25 sesuncedu gluejar: IRB approval not needed 2011-02-08 14:14:37 debweb nyara: hello 2011-02-08 14:14:40 freqlurker art, really 2011-02-08 14:14:46 mbklein "Powered by TAB and Mountain Dew" 2011-02-08 14:14:49 gsf jrochkind: you think the journal might look at this again if we get a tech lead? 2011-02-08 14:14:51 edsu jumping through tubes would be prefectly acceptable though 2011-02-08 14:14:56 anna3lc__ does it only work on wordpress blogs? 2011-02-08 14:14:58 cazzerson sibylschaefer: balsamiq 2011-02-08 14:14:58 ranti I keep hearing it as "apologize" 2011-02-08 14:15:00 mjg_ who's gonna code up Twanthologize? 2011-02-08 14:15:05 jrochkind gsf: i agree that would be nice. 2011-02-08 14:15:11 pberry anna3lc__: I run some 2011-02-08 14:15:11 sesuncedu Never anthologize, never explain 2011-02-08 14:15:14 anarchivist anna3lc__: well, it's a wordpress plugin 2011-02-08 14:15:16 julia_ anna3lc: I think that's true, yes. 2011-02-08 14:15:17 lbjay lag-- 2011-02-08 14:15:25 anarchivist anna3lc__: but you can import feeds from anywhere 2011-02-08 14:15:29 helrond mjg_: Twangthologize 2011-02-08 14:15:41 anarchivist @ana thongthologize 2011-02-08 14:15:42 tokeee Website says "Please note that at this time Anthologize cannot be installed on blogs hosted at WordPress.com" 2011-02-08 14:15:42 zoia anarchivist: Hog log to zenith 2011-02-08 14:15:58 dchud he's looking up a lot more now as he speaks and it sounds more natural. 2011-02-08 14:15:58 mjg_ @Anthongogize royt 2011-02-08 14:15:59 zoia mjg_: i'll brb, i just need to tweet about how i hate getting questions like that 2011-02-08 14:16:02 dchud that++ 2011-02-08 14:16:08 jrochkind tokeee: that is true of just about any WP plugin, except the small set wordpress.com chooses to support. 2011-02-08 14:16:13 gsf tokeee: could be a good question as to why that is 2011-02-08 14:16:16 MrDys heh membase and couchdb have merged: http://www.membase.com/merger 2011-02-08 14:16:22 ejk WP.com++ 2011-02-08 14:16:33 freqlurker Did he say how large the team was? 2011-02-08 14:16:35 fontanka win office 101 for mac users: Press f5 to start powerpoint presentation 2011-02-08 14:16:35 pmurray TEI++ 2011-02-08 14:16:41 mjg_ couchbase? sounds like my social life in college. 2011-02-08 14:16:43 gsf jrochkind: oh right, true 2011-02-08 14:16:49 anarchivist https://gist.github.com/raw/7aa5bcd88ccc0858a431/mislav.gif 2011-02-08 14:16:55 gsf mjg++ 2011-02-08 14:16:57 gluejar freqlurker: 12 2011-02-08 14:16:59 tokeee jrochkind: Fair enough I guess. Still limiting though 2011-02-08 14:17:03 ranti mjg++ 2011-02-08 14:17:05 gsf MrDys: yeah i saw that 2011-02-08 14:17:08 sesuncedu Isn't GMU starting doing omeka hosting? 2011-02-08 14:17:21 anarchivist sesuncedu: already started iirc 2011-02-08 14:17:23 mjg_ sesuncedu: I believe so, yes 2011-02-08 14:17:32 wickr sesuncedu: yeah, omeka.net 2011-02-08 14:17:37 akorphan That's a nice font. 2011-02-08 14:17:38 gsf MrDys: i hope it doesn't mean couchdb gets eaten by membase 2011-02-08 14:17:45 pberry This is quite impressive 2011-02-08 14:18:00 akorphan Oh, it's one of those Goudy clones. 2011-02-08 14:18:04 mbklein MrDys: What's the difference between CouchDB (which is continuing as an Apache OSS project) and CouchOne (which is merging with MemBase)? 2011-02-08 14:18:06 bmljenny Motherformatter! 2011-02-08 14:18:10 epalm epalm waves at mjg_ / dchud 2011-02-08 14:18:10 mjg_ maybe CURATEcamp could support some 1W1T-like efforts. 2011-02-08 14:18:14 gsf hey that spike's in utah! 2011-02-08 14:18:21 pberry Mixed metaphor alert! 2011-02-08 14:18:36 MrDys mbklein: they seem to tout mobile app dev capabilities in couchone 2011-02-08 14:18:41 mjg_ epalm: hey! 2011-02-08 14:18:42 atz that's awesome 2011-02-08 14:18:43 sesuncedu But moved to LA for final season 2011-02-08 14:18:49 BigD mjg_ yeah, i like that! 2011-02-08 14:18:50 davidWalker awesome 2011-02-08 14:18:51 was big_git_merge_in_a_bar++ 2011-02-08 14:19:00 atz 1:30AM git in a bar 2011-02-08 14:19:00 gsf dvcs++ 2011-02-08 14:19:02 tokeee git++ 2011-02-08 14:19:07 edsu trust == too drunk to care 2011-02-08 14:19:07 pberry Madness indeed 2011-02-08 14:19:07 anarchivist sheeeeeeeeeeeeit 2011-02-08 14:19:08 mjg_ git++ 2011-02-08 14:19:11 atz git++ 2011-02-08 14:19:13 BigD what could a team get done in a month? 2011-02-08 14:19:15 epalm hg++ 2011-02-08 14:19:18 mbklein "We'll be using the one-shot-per-commit methodology..." 2011-02-08 14:19:21 epalm missing the conf, i think... 2011-02-08 14:19:21 epalm i don't work in a library any more, that means i can't come right? :) 2011-02-08 14:19:31 eby mbklein: bunch of companies doing clustering addons and other stuff for couch 2011-02-08 14:19:37 ejk git ++ 2011-02-08 14:19:37 eby mbklein: cloudant is another one 2011-02-08 14:19:38 mjg_ epalm: nope. 2011-02-08 14:19:40 ejk git++ 2011-02-08 14:19:45 gsf edsu: does that describe a lot of moments in your life? 2011-02-08 14:19:48 dchud tilt your macbook left and right while looking at google.com logo image 2011-02-08 14:19:54 sesuncedu One revert per shot 2011-02-08 14:19:57 akorphan Is anyone else's intertubes clogged? 2011-02-08 14:20:00 davidWalker coding as self-help process 2011-02-08 14:20:00 mjg_ epalm: but never come again when the U.S. loses to Canada in the Olympics. 2011-02-08 14:20:02 lbjay wish i hadn't forgot to pack a razor 2011-02-08 14:20:07 epalm harr 2011-02-08 14:20:08 mjg_ lbjay: JOIN US 2011-02-08 14:20:08 edsu gsf: i'm not sure i really care when i'm sober :-) 2011-02-08 14:20:13 lbjay stubble-- 2011-02-08 14:20:17 mbklein mjg_: I don't know if 1W1T would work for CURATEcamp. I'm pretty sure I saw more than one tool there. 2011-02-08 14:20:19 BillDueber gsf: He's always drunk, just not always trusting. 2011-02-08 14:20:21 epalm that was fun 2011-02-08 14:20:24 atz predication on cheerfulness.... makes me skeptical 2011-02-08 14:20:24 jrochkind barely any internet, eh? 2011-02-08 14:20:28 sesuncedu 1 day one microservice 2011-02-08 14:20:32 anarchivist boone++ 2011-02-08 14:20:33 mjg_ mbklein: heh heh heh. 2011-02-08 14:20:45 mjg_ "goddish" 2011-02-08 14:20:48 akorphan lbjay: ask at the lobby desk? 2011-02-08 14:20:55 sesuncedu godlike 2011-02-08 14:20:58 epalm mjg_: did you glean any kind of satisfaction watching our juniors fold like a bad poker hand, recently? 2011-02-08 14:20:59 sesuncedu KMFContentDM 2011-02-08 14:21:01 benanderson I just bought 24 hours of attwifi - seems to be working well so far. 2011-02-08 14:21:05 lbjay akorphan: too late. i'm up talk after next 2011-02-08 14:21:10 gsf lbjay: beeeeeeeards 2011-02-08 14:21:12 anarchivist jaf: boone does a better michael mcdonald impression than i do 2011-02-08 14:21:12 pmurray dchud: That's pretty cool... 2011-02-08 14:21:24 mjg_ epalm: naw, didn't even make it on my radar, sadly. but my spirits are kind of buoyed now that you mention it! 2011-02-08 14:21:26 pberry G network still holding strong 2011-02-08 14:21:26 jaf anarchivist: I don't believe you 2011-02-08 14:21:27 lbjay all the internet will know i only slept 2 hours last night 2011-02-08 14:21:29 akorphan lbjay: That's 20 or 25 minutes! Plenty of time! 2011-02-08 14:21:42 anarchivist jaf: ask him on twitter 2011-02-08 14:21:43 pberry I mean, it's terrible. Don't use it. Any of you 2011-02-08 14:21:43 dchud pmurray: yeah it's pretty slick huh 2011-02-08 14:21:51 mjg_ anarchivist: that impression needs to make an appearance at the drink-up this PM. 2011-02-08 14:21:52 BigD lbjay: there's a shave place in the Union. Called Todd's or something 2011-02-08 14:21:57 lbjay BigD: ooh 2011-02-08 14:22:04 anarchivist mjg_: i think we need ot move that shit offsite 2011-02-08 14:22:11 gsf zing! 2011-02-08 14:22:15 jaf anarchivist: let's get a video of his impersonation, and then we can put up both and take a vote :) 2011-02-08 14:22:23 timmcgeary Anyone want to watch "Inception" tonight after some drinks at the hosp suite? 2011-02-08 14:22:29 lbjay &gong; ? 2011-02-08 14:22:31 anarchivist "the million michael mcdonald march" 2011-02-08 14:22:33 ecorrado day_jobs-- 2011-02-08 14:22:36 akorphan day jobs, schmay jobs. 2011-02-08 14:22:37 epalm dchud: started using django a couple months ago. wasn't your mini-talk at the end about django? and i did kohana. 2011-02-08 14:22:38 mjg_ anarchivist: have any place in mind? can we hire grad students to carry our beer? 2011-02-08 14:22:45 ecorrado 1:30 left 2011-02-08 14:22:47 sciversedev good to see developers talk 2011-02-08 14:22:47 anarchivist mjg_: oh i meant after the drinkup 2011-02-08 14:22:55 mbklein @rate "day jobs" "steve jobs" 2011-02-08 14:22:55 pberry 1week1tool + kickstarter 2011-02-08 14:22:58 zoia mbklein: day jobs: 0.4; steve jobs: 4.5. day jobs sucks! 2011-02-08 14:22:58 akorphan ooh, it would give me an opportunity to go off on Christopher Nolan and dishonest storytelling! 2011-02-08 14:23:00 sesuncedu mjg: Do you pay for travel 2011-02-08 14:23:00 lbjay github_link_on_final_slide++ 2011-02-08 14:23:09 dchud epalm: oh yeah? last year you mean? yeah... how's it coming? 2011-02-08 14:23:22 ecorrado @rate "day job" "drinking beer" 2011-02-08 14:23:24 timmcgeary akorphan: I haven't watched it yet, so you have to wait until it's over 2011-02-08 14:23:25 zoia ecorrado: day job: 2.8; drinking beer: 9.3. day job sucks! drinking beer rocks! 2011-02-08 14:23:35 MrDys there's nothing that says that storytelling needs to be honest 2011-02-08 14:23:36 cazzerson scotthanrath++ 2011-02-08 14:23:37 gluejar most awesomest talk so far 2011-02-08 14:23:46 ejk ejk claps 2011-02-08 14:23:51 mjg_ anarchivist: you mean there's life after the drinkup? 2011-02-08 14:24:04 pberry Very little life 2011-02-08 14:24:12 akorphan sigh, firefox is choking on a 400kb plugin download. 2011-02-08 14:24:22 snail so solr does floating point values in the url, does that mean it's susceptible to the new java bug? http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/02/07/java_denial_of_service_bug/ 2011-02-08 14:24:23 mbklein mjg_: If so, you're doing it wrong. 2011-02-08 14:24:48 gsf scotthanrath++ 2011-02-08 14:25:05 pberry @karma marc 2011-02-08 14:25:05 dchud no, no, that wouldn't be going too far. 2011-02-08 14:25:06 zoia pberry: Karma for "marc" has been increased 0 times and decreased 8 times for a total karma of -8. 2011-02-08 14:25:10 ecorrado Katz's_wife++ 2011-02-08 14:25:12 druthb going_too_far++ 2011-02-08 14:25:15 pberry Yikes 2011-02-08 14:25:19 BillDueber "But that's going a bit too far, don't you think?" "Indubitably!" 2011-02-08 14:25:19 timmcgeary marky_mark++ 2011-02-08 14:25:22 dchud it's a forechannel! 2011-02-08 14:25:30 pmurray acknowledging_the_backchannel++ 2011-02-08 14:25:36 dan64 connection keeps dropping 2011-02-08 14:25:36 gsf cazzerson++ thanks for not talking, though I wouldn't have minded 2011-02-08 14:25:43 codemart mocking++ 2011-02-08 14:25:54 jstirnaman scotthanrath++ 2011-02-08 14:26:01 pberry Hahahahaha 2011-02-08 14:26:02 druthb sun_in_my_eyes-- 2011-02-08 14:26:04 dchud bah 2011-02-08 14:26:10 fumi lol 2011-02-08 14:26:14 mjg_ mbklein: what am I doing wrong? I was just unceremoniously booted. 2011-02-08 14:26:22 gsf snail: erikhatcher might know that, but he already left to catch a plane 2011-02-08 14:26:42 jaf @later tell mjg_ it says you client is quitting 2011-02-08 14:26:43 zoia jaf: The operation succeeded. 2011-02-08 14:26:47 pmurray demiankatz_channelling_royt++ 2011-02-08 14:26:55 mbklein mjg_: If there's life after the drinkup, you're doing it wrong. 2011-02-08 14:27:00 akorphan get all the marc-specific code in one place... and burn it. 2011-02-08 14:27:33 sesuncedu Designed? 2011-02-08 14:27:34 pberry You know what they say about assumptions 2011-02-08 14:27:38 ecorrado cuts_of_meat++ 2011-02-08 14:27:40 akorphan meat_database++ 2011-02-08 14:27:43 cazzerson gsf: thanks. in retrospect, it was nice to have less to prepare. 2011-02-08 14:27:45 davidWalker meat_find++ 2011-02-08 14:27:50 ecorrado ecorrado searches for bacon 2011-02-08 14:27:51 mjg_ MeatML++ 2011-02-08 14:27:55 atz meat_db++ 2011-02-08 14:27:56 maccabee vegan_geeks++ 2011-02-08 14:27:59 ejk MOPAC 2011-02-08 14:28:00 codemart vegan++ 2011-02-08 14:28:00 akorphan cazzerson, what's that meat newspaper called? 2011-02-08 14:28:09 lbjay Meatadata 2011-02-08 14:28:12 snail gsf: thanks 2011-02-08 14:28:12 edsu shiny shiny, shiny strips of bacon 2011-02-08 14:28:15 cazzerson akorphan: http://www.meatpaper.com/ 2011-02-08 14:28:21 akorphan meat paper! 2011-02-08 14:28:25 BigD why does IRC work, but web doesn't? 2011-02-08 14:28:26 akorphan meat_paper++ 2011-02-08 14:28:31 jstirnaman scotthanrath: good work 2011-02-08 14:28:32 cazzerson excellent meat journalism 2011-02-08 14:28:38 sesuncedu High performance bacon scanning sottware developed at Fort Meat 2011-02-08 14:28:42 mbklein meatbase 2011-02-08 14:28:50 jrochkind BigD: IRC takes a lot less bandwidth, almost none. web is working for me just very slow 2011-02-08 14:28:56 mbklein @decide metadata or meatdata or metameat 2011-02-08 14:28:58 gluejar instead of killing off MARC, could we just wrap it in bacon? 2011-02-08 14:29:06 timmcgeary gluejar++ 2011-02-08 14:29:06 zoia mbklein: go with meatdata 2011-02-08 14:29:07 zoia its just data, jeez 2011-02-08 14:29:22 MrDys web's working just fine for me 2011-02-08 14:29:23 sesuncedu Metalab is an angram of metabal 2011-02-08 14:29:27 timmcgeary @ana vegan bacon 2011-02-08 14:29:27 zoia timmcgeary: Cave on bang 2011-02-08 14:29:43 akorphan @ana metadata 2011-02-08 14:29:44 zoia akorphan: Tame data 2011-02-08 14:29:49 jrochkind MrDys: prob depends on what AP you get. We are now well experienced with over-use failure modes of wireless internet, heh 2011-02-08 14:29:53 mbklein Could y'all not type in the channel so much? It's really slowing down my Netflix. 2011-02-08 14:30:02 akorphan Well! That settles it. 2011-02-08 14:30:03 timmcgeary mbklein--- 2011-02-08 14:30:17 anna3lc looks like java... i thought vufind was php? 2011-02-08 14:30:18 sesuncedu the odd thing is, mbklein is watching a DVD 2011-02-08 14:30:28 jrochkind anna3lc: you can do OO php. 2011-02-08 14:30:33 mbklein sesuncedu++ FREAKY 2011-02-08 14:30:38 sesuncedu that "doesn't work" like marc? 2011-02-08 14:30:45 davidWalker PHP looks like Java 2011-02-08 14:30:50 anna3lc jrochkind: oh i didn't realize it had protected, etc. 2011-02-08 14:31:04 lbjay i gotcher java right here 2011-02-08 14:31:04 jrochkind I like that he's talking about good design/architecture. We don't get enough of that, modelling good architecture. 2011-02-08 14:31:07 mbklein anna3lc: Nah, if it were Java it would be an AbstractRecordDriverFactoryFactoryFactory 2011-02-08 14:31:14 pmurray This sounds like the Fedora content model. 2011-02-08 14:31:21 timmcgeary jrochkind: agreed 2011-02-08 14:31:32 pberry Yo dawg, i hear you like factories 2011-02-08 14:31:36 anna3lc mbklein: lol thanks for the tip 2011-02-08 14:31:39 timmcgeary they are releasing VuDL at ACRL in March 2011-02-08 14:31:42 atz MARCOO... .... 2011-02-08 14:31:52 jtgorman BigD: plus depending on your config, it might just look like irc is working 2011-02-08 14:31:55 davidWalker mbklein++ 2011-02-08 14:32:05 tbw cool talk 2011-02-08 14:32:08 pberry Sigh 2011-02-08 14:32:09 jtgorman BigD: every ten/fifteen minutes or so I loose connection for a minute or two 2011-02-08 14:32:10 ecorrado this talk reminds me aI need a basic web seach app that injests dublin core or some other xml 2011-02-08 14:32:11 gsf snail: and btw, about that bug, java-- 2011-02-08 14:32:11 sesuncedu One week later... 2011-02-08 14:32:23 gluejar AbstractRecordDriverWriterFactoryDaoImplementation 2011-02-08 14:32:30 mbklein Yo dawg, I hear you like recursion, so I put a "Yo dawg, I hear you like recursion... 2011-02-08 14:32:32 ecorrado ecorrado could write his own using bash 2011-02-08 14:32:38 pberry Does everything have to be an export. How many places do we need to have the same data 2011-02-08 14:32:46 sesuncedu pberry: 12 2011-02-08 14:32:50 pberry Oh 2011-02-08 14:32:52 freqlurker that's crazy talk demian! 2011-02-08 14:32:55 pberry Well...then never mind 2011-02-08 14:32:58 duspal mbklein++ 2011-02-08 14:33:09 snail gsf: floating point is hard, at least with bug isn't in the hardware... 2011-02-08 14:33:15 mjg_1 all XML isn't arbitrary? 2011-02-08 14:33:17 sesuncedu marcxml is pretty arbitrry 2011-02-08 14:33:18 BillDueber pberry: Well, step one is having good GUIDs for everything. That's hard. So people import. 2011-02-08 14:33:20 sesuncedu jinx 2011-02-08 14:33:27 MrDys time to revisit it 2011-02-08 14:33:34 jrochkind how many differnet oai-pmh harvesters do we need? 2011-02-08 14:33:36 atz BillDueber: good point 2011-02-08 14:33:39 mbklein mjg_: That's the difference between Enterprise XML and Toy XML 2011-02-08 14:33:40 ndushay dang. i hate it when i get distracted and then look up and realize i should have been paying attention to the last 10 minutes 2011-02-08 14:33:42 jrochkind can't we built one that doens't suck for once? 2011-02-08 14:33:45 timmcgeary jrochkind: at least 100 2011-02-08 14:33:46 sesuncedu jrochkind: just one that works 2011-02-08 14:33:49 pberry BillDueber: True... 2011-02-08 14:33:55 mbklein XRECORD, MFER 2011-02-08 14:34:10 BillDueber Does anyone outside the library world use OAI-PMH? 2011-02-08 14:34:21 gsf snail: yeah i think i was actually reacting to the rest of the article and the slowness of java's reaction to security issues 2011-02-08 14:34:24 mjg_ BillDueber: none I know of. 2011-02-08 14:34:25 mtomko google no longer supports it. 2011-02-08 14:34:31 mbklein BillDueber: Nope. 2011-02-08 14:34:32 jrochkind BillDueber: no 2011-02-08 14:34:33 eby iii xml is not arbitrary. it had to be purposely designed by assholes 2011-02-08 14:34:37 sesuncedu BillDueber: if they did, they would be part of the library work 2011-02-08 14:34:39 mjg_ eby++ 2011-02-08 14:34:49 was pberry: the problem is how to search it all 2011-02-08 14:34:54 ksclarke BillDueber some repos that are hosted by non-library folks expose through oai-pmh 2011-02-08 14:35:01 snail gsf: at least Oracle are being consistent about the signals they're sending, makes it pretty clear what the options are 2011-02-08 14:35:06 sesuncedu eby: fortunately you can upgrade III through various URL buffer overruns 2011-02-08 14:35:09 ndushay expose yourself 2011-02-08 14:35:09 mbklein @trend c4l11 2011-02-08 14:35:09 zoia mbklein: c4l11 - Unknown trend 2011-02-08 14:35:11 gsf snail: true 2011-02-08 14:35:15 mbklein no respect 2011-02-08 14:35:17 jstirnaman what happened to xc toolkit? 2011-02-08 14:35:20 eby "upgrade" 2011-02-08 14:35:25 tbw Yeah we got bitten by that no id in record problem 2011-02-08 14:35:28 mbklein @trend bieberpremiere 2011-02-08 14:35:28 zoia mbklein: bieberpremiere - Unknown trend 2011-02-08 14:35:39 ndushay windows shell scripts? ew. 2011-02-08 14:35:39 mbklein whew 2011-02-08 14:35:40 BillDueber sesuncedu++ 2011-02-08 14:35:49 jrochkind sesuncedu: that is an old joke, we're going to hack into someone's OPAC and improve it in an unauthorized manner. 2011-02-08 14:35:51 pkiraly jstirnaman: we will have a presentation tomorrow 2011-02-08 14:35:59 jrochkind xslt? never heard of it. 2011-02-08 14:36:01 BigD someone go kick the AP 2011-02-08 14:36:08 mjg_ does the T in XSLT stand for toy? 2011-02-08 14:36:16 mbklein someone go kick BigD 2011-02-08 14:36:16 pmurray jstirnaman: It is still out there. I think the XC Toolkit code is on Google Code. 2011-02-08 14:36:16 mtomko xslt is a language for transforming (developer) sanity to insanity. 2011-02-08 14:36:26 was How does this differ from the XC toolset? Doesn't that try to cover some of the same ground? 2011-02-08 14:36:38 mbklein I know it's wrong, but I actually love XSLT 2011-02-08 14:36:40 lbjay BigD: i smell scotch. are you sitting behind me? 2011-02-08 14:36:41 sesuncedu mjg: it stands for "why are we writing a language with angle brackets that includes data in angle brackets?" 2011-02-08 14:36:51 ndushay XSLT and PHP - two of my favorite technologies to hate. 2011-02-08 14:36:55 gsf was: good question for the end 2011-02-08 14:36:59 pkiraly XC has 4 components: OAI Toolkit, NCIP Toolkit, Metadata Toolkit and Drupal Toolkit 2011-02-08 14:37:11 mtomko ugh, it might be fine for short transformations, but seriously, is it more maintainable than simply writing a parser in a real language? 2011-02-08 14:37:13 jrochkind was: how is XSLT different tnan the XC toolkit? 2011-02-08 14:37:20 akorphan THE CAKE IS A LIE 2011-02-08 14:37:25 jstirnaman pkiraly: oh, right. great. just wondering why XC wasn't used here 2011-02-08 14:37:30 decasm_ xslt & php, it's like garbage and puke chips 2011-02-08 14:37:33 atz anybody use the XC Drupal kit? 2011-02-08 14:37:37 mjg_1 Code4Lib-G-- 2011-02-08 14:37:38 pberry Holy moving parts 2011-02-08 14:37:46 timmcgeary We have looked at using the Drupal kit 2011-02-08 14:37:47 sesuncedu I read that as moving pants 2011-02-08 14:37:52 knickum descasm_ ++ 2011-02-08 14:37:52 olsont_ mtomko: not in my experience. 2011-02-08 14:37:55 timmcgeary we installed it, but had some issues with integration 2011-02-08 14:38:05 jrochkind there are LOTS of tools for translating data from one format to another. I wouldn't expect there will be one single one that meets all needs. 2011-02-08 14:38:06 MrDys heh. ship dates for an open source project. 2011-02-08 14:38:10 benanderson xc mst is java - I'll be talking about it tomorrow @10:55 2011-02-08 14:38:10 pkiraly atz: there is no production state usage yet 2011-02-08 14:38:14 timmcgeary plus we turned out attention to writing a SirsiDynix Symphony NCIP Driver 2011-02-08 14:38:27 timmcgeary s/NCIP/NCIP Toolkit 2011-02-08 14:38:47 jrochkind timmcgeary++ for specifying 'symphony' :) 2011-02-08 14:38:56 ndushay i need to see the posted slides to figure out what i missed. 2011-02-08 14:38:56 pkiraly but we will publish our demo in this month, and we will publish the release 1.0 2011-02-08 14:39:02 atz timmcgeary: i can probably help you on that. State library (ohio) needs to build that for one of our consortia (migrating to symphony) 2011-02-08 14:39:03 timmcgeary jrochkind: I thought of you specifically when typing that 2011-02-08 14:39:05 ecorrado ecorrado might need to try this new version of VUfind to search some Dublin Core stuff 2011-02-08 14:39:05 pkiraly of XC Drupal Toolkit 2011-02-08 14:39:14 ndushay where "a bit" --> "may vary by user" 2011-02-08 14:39:17 sesuncedu Are there any two compatible NCIP implementations (vendor) 2011-02-08 14:39:28 jrochkind the architecture they have for vufind for this stuff is similar to Blacklight, although different in a couple interesting ways. 2011-02-08 14:39:32 atz timmcgeary: or you can help us w/ what you've got 2011-02-08 14:39:36 sesuncedu It doesn't count if they're the same product under different names 2011-02-08 14:39:41 timmcgeary atz: talk to me off-list. We have 4 services ready for production (LookupUser, CheckinItem, CheckoutItem, AcceptItem) 2011-02-08 14:39:44 gluejar wow something good about marc- it has a lot of thingz in it 2011-02-08 14:39:50 mbklein Where can I find the latest Kochief development roadmap? 2011-02-08 14:39:52 sciversedev yes diy i like it 2011-02-08 14:40:02 ndushay someone to my right is playing weird sounds 2011-02-08 14:40:03 atz timmcgeary: will do, probably next week. 2011-02-08 14:40:04 anna3lc so the common data format is the solr index? 2011-02-08 14:40:05 atz thx 2011-02-08 14:40:08 jeff sesuncedu: none that i've come across, but we did put out an RFP (with three responses) for making Evergreen talk NCIP DCB-3 against INN-REACH 2011-02-08 14:40:18 timmcgeary atz: that'll work 2011-02-08 14:40:24 jrochkind anna3lc: in the vufind architecture he just showed us? no, there is no common data format. 2011-02-08 14:40:29 ndushay question: can we have our snacks now? 2011-02-08 14:40:38 decasm_ in addition to being quick, the lightning talks should include rapidly expanding hot air 2011-02-08 14:40:50 MrDys decasm++ 2011-02-08 14:40:56 mbklein ndushay: Tacos and cheesecake didn't do the trick? 2011-02-08 14:40:56 ndushay you coul call the common format xml or solr 2011-02-08 14:41:00 timmcgeary timmcgeary needs food and water 2011-02-08 14:41:03 mjg_ mbklein: IT IS WRITTEN UPON THE SKIES 2011-02-08 14:41:14 ndushay mbklein: it made me want to run for the border. 2011-02-08 14:41:24 timmcgeary timmcgeary is having a migraine take over his brain 2011-02-08 14:41:28 decasm_ south of the border, down mexico way 2011-02-08 14:41:28 scolford ndushay++ 2011-02-08 14:41:31 gsf snail: i just asked erikhatcher and he hadn't yet heard of the bug 2011-02-08 14:41:37 ndushay timmcgeary: I wondered where my migraine went. 2011-02-08 14:41:38 timmcgeary yelling_at_demain-- 2011-02-08 14:41:43 decasm_ that's where i fell in love, when skies above came out to play 2011-02-08 14:41:50 timmcgeary ndushay: please take it back 2011-02-08 14:41:54 jrochkind @sing AC/DC / Thunderstruck 2011-02-08 14:41:55 decasm_ and as i wonder, my thoughts ever stray 2011-02-08 14:41:56 zoia jrochkind: No songs found by AC/DC / Thunderstruck 2011-02-08 14:41:58 mbklein mjg_: © 2008-2011 Upper Deck Software LLC 2011-02-08 14:42:05 davidWalker davidWalker claps 2011-02-08 14:42:06 decasm_ south of the border, down mexico way ... 2011-02-08 14:42:07 ndushay timmcgeary: I think it just divided, actually. 2011-02-08 14:42:10 sesuncedu It's windy enough in NoVa that I'm expecting to relocate to Kansas 2011-02-08 14:42:14 ndushay I have aspirin and ibuprofen handy. 2011-02-08 14:42:22 MrDys MrDys do it up lbjay 2011-02-08 14:42:27 timmcgeary I have fioricet 2011-02-08 14:42:28 mjg_ mbklein: "TOP notch software!" 2011-02-08 14:42:28 sesuncedu But that beats ThunderSnow 2011-02-08 14:42:31 druthb ndushay, timmcgeary: It divided. I got a little piece of it, I think. 2011-02-08 14:42:32 ndushay and if you're REALLY nice i have vicodin 2011-02-08 14:42:37 pmurray Short attention span. Quick! Everyone check e-mail. 2011-02-08 14:42:38 snail gsf: ew're having a discussion in #solr and the parsing of URL strings into TrieDoubleField, or SortableDoubleField appears to be the main worry 2011-02-08 14:42:39 MrDys @sing ac dc : thunderstruck 2011-02-08 14:42:41 zoia Beatin' in my heart / The thunder of guns / Tore me apart / You've been - thunderstruck 2011-02-08 14:42:54 gsf gsf is that lbjay up there? all i can see is stubble 2011-02-08 14:42:55 mjg_ Plop plop, fizz fizz, oh what a Kochief it is 2011-02-08 14:43:01 jaf @sing bob marley : one love 2011-02-08 14:43:01 ndushay isn't it unusual for us to not have questions? 2011-02-08 14:43:03 gsf snail: cool 2011-02-08 14:43:03 zoia One Love! One Heart! / Let's get together and feel all right. / Hear the children cryin' (One Love!); 2011-02-08 14:43:04 MrDys @translationparty [sing ac dc : thunderstruck] 2011-02-08 14:43:10 anna3lc demian++ 2011-02-08 14:43:13 timmcgeary ndushay: I would hit you up for that, but I'm on a couple of things to break this cycle that would mess me up if I took vicodin 2011-02-08 14:43:14 mjg_ mjg_ I don't recognize lbjay without his hat 2011-02-08 14:43:19 anarchivist @danify Jay Luker 2011-02-08 14:43:20 zoia anarchivist: Jåy Lükèrsen 2011-02-08 14:43:24 zoia In my mind Ganbitin '/ thunder / / I've been robbed you - was struck by lightning 2011-02-08 14:43:30 ndushay I don't recognize anyone. 2011-02-08 14:43:32 gsf mbklein: there is no roadmap for kochief 2011-02-08 14:43:36 timmcgeary averaging 14 migraines / month since Oct 2011-02-08 14:43:43 pmurray Rut, roh. No PDF viewer. 2011-02-08 14:43:47 ndushay next time there's a single presentation laptop, at least have it be a mac 2011-02-08 14:43:50 mbklein Has anyone set up a TwapperKeeper or other Twarchive for #c4l11? 2011-02-08 14:43:54 ndushay it can run vmware for windoze 2011-02-08 14:44:00 ejk How many geeks does it take to... 2011-02-08 14:44:08 MrDys mbklein: yeah 2011-02-08 14:44:11 MrDys twapperkeeper 2011-02-08 14:44:13 gsf mbklein: it's future is unknown, it's destiny unwritten 2011-02-08 14:44:22 pmurray ndushay: I think it is unusual, but I chalk it up to the style of the room. 2011-02-08 14:44:22 gsf s/'//g 2011-02-08 14:44:25 mjg_ seems like a toy OS up there. 2011-02-08 14:44:27 MrDys http://twapperkeeper.com/hashtag/c4l11 2011-02-08 14:44:31 timmcgeary migraines-- 2011-02-08 14:44:32 ndushay timmcgeary: sounds awful. 2011-02-08 14:44:35 jaf btw, planning for c4l16 will start next week... 2011-02-08 14:44:42 akorphan gsf: whoa, way to poetic for the early afternoon. 2011-02-08 14:44:44 pmurray ndushay: Stage versus lower floor is making this a more lecture-style meeting. 2011-02-08 14:44:44 knickum migraines-- 2011-02-08 14:44:48 timmcgeary ndushay: it's definitely not great 2011-02-08 14:45:00 MrDys ranti++ 2011-02-08 14:45:01 akorphan s/to/too 2011-02-08 14:45:03 ndushay geekstuff++ 2011-02-08 14:45:11 mjg_ ranti++ # geeks doing geek stuff 2011-02-08 14:45:12 sesuncedu Yes you do. 2011-02-08 14:45:15 akorphan BOOK PLZ 2011-02-08 14:45:17 sesuncedu And that isn't fair 2011-02-08 14:45:19 dchud_ ranti++ 2011-02-08 14:45:22 Baroquem If you're not present, don't go up when your name is called. 2011-02-08 14:45:27 gsf ranti++ 2011-02-08 14:45:46 mbklein winners++ # I GUESS 2011-02-08 14:46:08 sesuncedu Hastur the unspeakable 2011-02-08 14:46:10 romana hope I don't win a book. Still digesting my cheesecake 2011-02-08 14:46:15 ndushay hercule poirot? 2011-02-08 14:46:27 ecorrado ecorrado wonders if they are downloading adobe 2011-02-08 14:46:32 mjg_ les poisson 2011-02-08 14:46:32 jdwyn lol 2011-02-08 14:46:32 helrond ndushay ++ 2011-02-08 14:46:34 mbklein awead++ 2011-02-08 14:46:40 MrDys you ever look at the back of dollar bill on wead? 2011-02-08 14:46:52 gsf i believe it's adam whey-odd 2011-02-08 14:46:53 mbklein THAT'S TWO WRONG MICHAELS, PEOPLE 2011-02-08 14:46:59 jaf how many books are being given out this year? 2011-02-08 14:47:00 akorphan Hey! None of those people were me. 2011-02-08 14:47:00 ndushay MrDys: "wead"? 2011-02-08 14:47:01 jkeck MrDys++ 2011-02-08 14:47:05 sesuncedu mbklein: and a microphone 2011-02-08 14:47:05 ndushay like wheadle? 2011-02-08 14:47:09 ndushay wheedle? 2011-02-08 14:47:10 jtgorman the winners are all very civilized. 2011-02-08 14:47:21 jtgorman no elbows being thrown to get the good books 2011-02-08 14:47:24 knickum should be more pushing and blood 2011-02-08 14:47:27 ndushay beignet? 2011-02-08 14:47:35 MrDys you mean bagnet? 2011-02-08 14:47:37 gsf i believe it's been-what 2011-02-08 14:47:38 BigD if it looks like i'm ignoring you, assume it's the network. unless yer mjgiarlo 2011-02-08 14:47:38 ejk beh-noyt 2011-02-08 14:47:41 cbeer windows-- 2011-02-08 14:47:48 ranti slow network... AWRITE... Who's watching the streaming vide here in the building? 2011-02-08 14:47:52 sesuncedu bagit? 2011-02-08 14:47:59 jaf someone needs to kick it michael mcdonald style right now (for filler) 2011-02-08 14:47:59 atz "two men enter, one man gets an o'reilly book!" 2011-02-08 14:48:04 jaf ah too late 2011-02-08 14:48:04 mjg_ benoit ate a beignet in a bagit 2011-02-08 14:48:06 jtgorman if I ever have to announce people, they're getting the pronunciation that comes out of festival 2011-02-08 14:48:09 cbeer @who is watching the streaming video in the room? 2011-02-08 14:48:09 zoia flyingzumwalt_ is watching the streaming video in the room. 2011-02-08 14:48:15 ndushay mbklein: we should have brought the books in 210 to give away 2011-02-08 14:48:32 gsf zumwalt!!!!! 2011-02-08 14:48:41 eby attwifi++ #finally something good for the shitty dsl at home 2011-02-08 14:48:44 BigD wow, he's not shaved. 2011-02-08 14:48:47 Baroquem How many books are there? 2011-02-08 14:48:51 flyingzumwalt zoia: huh? 2011-02-08 14:48:52 zoia flyingzumwalt_: there's a fine line between clever and stupid 2011-02-08 14:48:53 mbach timmcgeary: try maxalt for the migraines. worked great for me 2011-02-08 14:48:54 ndushay talk FASTER dammit! 2011-02-08 14:49:11 anna3lc books for all the aliens 2011-02-08 14:49:19 gsf BigD: if there's time for questions i'll ask why his face is so furry 2011-02-08 14:49:20 ejk NASA++ 2011-02-08 14:49:23 mjg_ lbjay: MOAR HAT PLZ 2011-02-08 14:49:31 mbklein Speaking of giveaways…Due to a mis-order, I have 7 XXL Blacklight T-shirts to give away. This design: http://www.cafepress.com/+project_blacklight_tshirt_dark,500993523 Ping me if you want one. 2011-02-08 14:49:32 timmcgeary mbach: I think I've tried maxalt before. didn't work 2011-02-08 14:49:39 decasm_ i saw this one movie, about pie, where a guy fixed his headaches with a drill 2011-02-08 14:49:41 akorphan WE CAN'T HEAR IN THE BACK 2011-02-08 14:49:45 jaf Ray needs no mike 2011-02-08 14:49:58 helrond except that wasn't ray 2011-02-08 14:50:12 ndushay mumble mmble mble 2011-02-08 14:50:20 sesuncedu Can NASA uses SOLR? 2011-02-08 14:50:22 mbklein We need SNL's Garrett Morris. "Our top story tonight.." "OUR TOP STORY TONIGHT!!!" 2011-02-08 14:50:30 jaf i am code4lib, hear me roar 2011-02-08 14:50:36 atz "Too tall" luker 2011-02-08 14:50:37 knickum NASA can haz SOLR? 2011-02-08 14:50:46 jaf not me personally, but I as in the royal we 2011-02-08 14:50:49 jtgorman jaf: I thought that was "i am code4lib, hear me type" 2011-02-08 14:51:05 druthb ndushay++ 2011-02-08 14:51:05 jtgorman atz++ 2011-02-08 14:51:07 timmcgeary jtgorman++ 2011-02-08 14:51:09 sesuncedu Does Brian May use ADS? 2011-02-08 14:51:18 mbklein sesuncedu: You know he does. 2011-02-08 14:51:24 ndushay what does ADS stand for? 2011-02-08 14:51:25 MrDys TWITA 2011-02-08 14:51:31 mbklein Astronomical Data System 2011-02-08 14:51:35 anarchivist1 sibylschaefer: talk with your hands, not with your mouth 2011-02-08 14:51:37 ndushay thx 2011-02-08 14:51:50 mbklein anarchivist++ 2011-02-08 14:51:57 MrDys those poor, poor astronomers 2011-02-08 14:51:58 mbklein sibylschaefer++ # thanks for the cookie! 2011-02-08 14:52:07 ndushay wow - i will have to think of something to engage the audience more - this room is really not working for us 2011-02-08 14:52:07 atz YOU get an Astronical Data System! YOU get an Astronical Data System! YOU get an Astronical Data System! 2011-02-08 14:52:13 MrDys atz++ 2011-02-08 14:52:16 timmcgeary No money in shooting for the stars? 2011-02-08 14:52:19 anarchivist ndushay: the PA is not loud enough 2011-02-08 14:52:20 mbklein atz++ 2011-02-08 14:52:25 mjg_ TWITA++ 2011-02-08 14:52:27 ndushay so it's a really big data system? 2011-02-08 14:52:28 MrDys ndushay: I'm about to start "fixing" my slides 2011-02-08 14:52:41 sibylschaefer mbklein you're welcome! 2011-02-08 14:52:43 highermath_aw wuz Astronical? 2011-02-08 14:52:43 danwho atz++ 2011-02-08 14:52:43 davidWalker what does TWITA stand for? 2011-02-08 14:52:44 ndushay MrDys: oh please no. 2011-02-08 14:52:45 edsu lbjay++ # website_as_api 2011-02-08 14:52:50 mjg_ TWITA is also Bostonian for Twitter. 2011-02-08 14:52:53 sesuncedu anarchivist: The PA is The architect? 2011-02-08 14:52:55 edsu the website is the api 2011-02-08 14:52:56 highermath_aw like cannonical only higher? 2011-02-08 14:53:03 MrDys ndushay: feel free to watch over my shoulder 2011-02-08 14:53:07 pmurray davidWalker: The Website Is The API 2011-02-08 14:53:19 davidWalker pmurray++ # thanks 2011-02-08 14:53:22 anarchivist @band add Sinbad Objects 2011-02-08 14:53:23 zoia anarchivist: Band 'Sinbad Objects' added to list 2011-02-08 14:53:24 emorgan The presenter is going to run out of time. 2011-02-08 14:53:35 atz 3. atz < 1 ?? oh... at z < 1 # :\ 2011-02-08 14:53:37 sesuncedu Billyuns and billyuns of hits ago 2011-02-08 14:53:41 scolford book giveaway report: we just gave away 9 books. 12 remain. 2011-02-08 14:53:49 highermath UZ ++ 2011-02-08 14:53:54 highermath UX ++ 2011-02-08 14:53:56 timmcgeary Sinbad? As in "Different World"? 2011-02-08 14:53:57 erikhatcher blacklight++ ;) 2011-02-08 14:54:04 highermath typing w.thumbs ++ 2011-02-08 14:54:10 jrochkind thanks jay! 2011-02-08 14:54:14 mjg_ jrochkind++ cbeer++ 2011-02-08 14:54:17 mbklein jrock++ 2011-02-08 14:54:23 erikhatcher jrochkind++ cbeer++ 2011-02-08 14:54:24 jaron cbeer++ jrochkind++ 2011-02-08 14:54:26 scolford jrochkind++ cbeer++ 2011-02-08 14:54:32 mjg_ another pronunciation of "rochkind" added to the pile 2011-02-08 14:54:35 bmljenny Weeping for joy at being back online. 2011-02-08 14:54:38 atz it's so ... facety. 2011-02-08 14:54:44 robcaSSon_ jrochkind++ cbeer++ mjgiarlo++ 2011-02-08 14:55:02 ndushay jrochkind++ cbeer++ 2011-02-08 14:55:14 highermath giant forms from the 90s 2011-02-08 14:55:18 MrDys worst. UI. ever. 2011-02-08 14:55:21 mjg_ ruh roh, twitter alerts. 2011-02-08 14:55:23 jrochkind do I want to combine with 'simple logic' or 'boolean logic'? 2011-02-08 14:55:23 robcaSSon astronomers++ 2011-02-08 14:55:28 ndushay MrDys: not even close. 2011-02-08 14:55:29 atz once you have something working for that long... might as well let it ride. 2011-02-08 14:55:29 anarchivist @ana partial block hashing 2011-02-08 14:55:30 zoia anarchivist: Prankish, logical bath 2011-02-08 14:55:33 edsu they've got scrapers that are dependent on it ... 2011-02-08 14:55:35 timmcgeary This UI should be out of this world 2011-02-08 14:55:35 bmljenny Someone dm him something awful 2011-02-08 14:55:40 highermath Mrthat's a highly contested title 2011-02-08 14:55:41 atz i'm sure it was state of the art.... for 1992 2011-02-08 14:55:45 mtomko did anyone see what he had subscribed to? can you place arbitrary tweets on that screen? 2011-02-08 14:55:45 ndushay imaginary system? 2011-02-08 14:55:46 akorphan good god, I'm craving coffee again. 2011-02-08 14:55:50 atz pre-browser wars 2011-02-08 14:55:51 mbklein "My god…it's full of facets…" 2011-02-08 14:55:56 jrochkind jrochkind @later tell lbjay for your users who want the full power of arbitrary boolean queries from your old system, you may be interested in my CQL plugin for blacklight. 2011-02-08 14:55:56 zoia jrochkind: The operation succeeded. 2011-02-08 14:56:03 mbklein Arthur C. Clarke will be smiting me now. 2011-02-08 14:56:04 BigD1 i was spoiled with the free diet cokes... i miss them. 2011-02-08 14:56:06 anarchivist mbklein: go play with your monolith somewhere else 2011-02-08 14:56:10 ndushay looks like it could be served by hydra ... 2011-02-08 14:56:12 gsf terminal-style_drop_shadows++ 2011-02-08 14:56:16 jaf oooh, linking to CERN, bringing out the big guns 2011-02-08 14:56:18 timmcgeary any "How I Met Your Mother" fans here? 2011-02-08 14:56:22 sesuncedu atz: actually, using features nod available till at least late 93 2011-02-08 14:56:22 bmljenny Pro tip: refill your own cup at sbux is 53 cents. 2011-02-08 14:56:34 ndushay well, how about those ascii graphics for git? 2011-02-08 14:56:49 benanderson pro_tip++ 2011-02-08 14:56:52 MrDys reppersitory is definitely the better pronounciation 2011-02-08 14:56:54 anarchivist +++++ 2011-02-08 14:56:59 mbklein bmljenny++ 2011-02-08 14:57:15 sesuncedu ndushay: Have you ever tried Apple's quicktime-to-ascii app? 2011-02-08 14:57:18 anarchivist @ana merged by octopus 2011-02-08 14:57:19 zoia anarchivist: Good-bye! Spectrum 2011-02-08 14:57:29 danwho bmljenny: how much to fill someone else's cup? 2011-02-08 14:57:30 dbs timmcgeary: suit up! 2011-02-08 14:57:31 ndushay MrDys: you're killing me, man 2011-02-08 14:57:40 mbklein @who is giving a surprise lightning talk? 2011-02-08 14:57:40 zoia mlevy is giving a surprise lightning talk. 2011-02-08 14:57:47 bmljenny danwho: Ew Ew Ew 2011-02-08 14:57:53 mbklein mlevy: get crackin'! 2011-02-08 14:57:57 ndushay @who has a reperrsitory? 2011-02-08 14:57:57 zoia fumi has a reperrsitory. 2011-02-08 14:58:06 mjg_ benoit++ # yay for new accents 2011-02-08 14:58:13 anarchivist benoit++ 2011-02-08 14:58:21 akorphan I would like a rapiersitory 2011-02-08 14:58:22 mbklein danwho++ # for making the joke so I didn't have to 2011-02-08 14:58:34 erikhatcher lisp?! 2011-02-08 14:58:38 BigD akorphan: careful... 2011-02-08 14:58:41 ndushay rapperstory 2011-02-08 14:58:43 MrDys webscale. totally. 2011-02-08 14:58:52 atz what is mod_wsgi... silicon graphics? 2011-02-08 14:58:58 mtomko python apache gateway 2011-02-08 14:59:05 ndushay is it a toy? 2011-02-08 14:59:08 mjg_ wsgi++ 2011-02-08 14:59:10 anarchivist ndushay: probably 2011-02-08 14:59:12 mbklein akorphan: My attempt to build a rapiersitory was foiled. I wasn't at all 'epee about it. 2011-02-08 14:59:13 robcaSSon benoit++ 2011-02-08 14:59:15 akorphan BigD: No, seriously, a sword collection would be totally cool. 2011-02-08 14:59:16 mjg_ lolcats++ 2011-02-08 14:59:20 erikhatcher intbitset++ 2011-02-08 14:59:30 jrochkind i'm going to sell a web-scale enterprise cloud NoSQL, and get rich! 2011-02-08 14:59:34 ndushay mbklein++ 2011-02-08 14:59:41 gsf "in-house c implementation of python sets"???? that's hard core 2011-02-08 14:59:53 mtomko gsf: yeah it is 2011-02-08 15:00:01 atz yeah, so is LISP in production 2011-02-08 15:00:03 ndushay its too saberasive 2011-02-08 15:00:03 bmljenny White castles also promote fast dumping 2011-02-08 15:00:12 mtomko wonder what they used LISP for... 2011-02-08 15:00:16 mtomko other than emacs. 2011-02-08 15:00:17 jtgorman (define lamba awesome ) 2011-02-08 15:00:18 robcaSSon math is hard. so are netsplits 2011-02-08 15:00:24 sesuncedu jtgorman: that's scheme 2011-02-08 15:00:29 akorphan jrochkind: What about the cyberinfrastructure grid? 2011-02-08 15:00:30 jtgorman sesuncedu: doh! 2011-02-08 15:00:33 robcaSSon @damlev intbitset netsplit 2011-02-08 15:00:33 zoia robcaSSon: The Damerau-Levenshtein distance between "intbitset" and "netsplit" is 7. 2011-02-08 15:00:36 mbklein mbklein is also slow by design 2011-02-08 15:00:37 jtgorman sesuncedu: I did a lot more scheme than I ever did lisp 2011-02-08 15:00:43 sesuncedu jtgorman: but you can fix it with a macro 2011-02-08 15:00:55 BigD i need a nap 2011-02-08 15:01:09 jtgorman and by "a lot", I mean "did very little scheme and may have just read a book on lisp" 2011-02-08 15:01:09 mbklein argh. netsplit. 2011-02-08 15:01:23 jrochkind i did scheme in school. that's it. i remember it fondly. 2011-02-08 15:01:25 ranti scolford: do you know how many other books we get besides the remaining 12 for today? 2011-02-08 15:01:27 jrochkind The Little Lisper is a must-read. 2011-02-08 15:01:28 mjg_1 I like the back and forth between these guys. It's like a posse rap. 2011-02-08 15:01:29 sesuncedu Using bit fields for int sets is nifty 2011-02-08 15:01:30 erikhatcher scheme++ 2011-02-08 15:01:30 atz i dropped a class on lisp. damn 7:30 AM. 2011-02-08 15:01:31 knickum i know someone who has a lisp? 2011-02-08 15:01:42 dchud_ dchud_ drools at http://www.shapiros.com/menu.htm 2011-02-08 15:01:47 maccabee i miss scheme. nondeterministic_finite_automata++ 2011-02-08 15:01:48 robcaSSon lbjay: next slide 2011-02-08 15:01:49 ndushay i will NOT be doing my presentation as a rap 2011-02-08 15:01:54 csharp awww 2011-02-08 15:01:54 robcaSSon nico++ 2011-02-08 15:01:54 atz that's our first baby... 2011-02-08 15:01:57 danwho lol baby caption: go! 2011-02-08 15:01:58 timmcgeary cute_baby++ 2011-02-08 15:01:58 davidWalker lbjay++ 2011-02-08 15:02:03 atz little_luker++ 2011-02-08 15:02:03 BigD that's MY BABY! 2011-02-08 15:02:05 mjg_ BigD++ # first funny comment ever 2011-02-08 15:02:05 ndushay wait - that's MY baby! 2011-02-08 15:02:06 romana babies++ 2011-02-08 15:02:08 pmurray Awww -- baby pictures. 2011-02-08 15:02:08 jtgorman there's a good chance when the CERN guys developed this, it was just another .emacs mode ;) 2011-02-08 15:02:09 druthb cute lil baby! 2011-02-08 15:02:10 duspal Genius move 2011-02-08 15:02:13 robcaSSon Luker, I am your father. 2011-02-08 15:02:15 gsf gsf reminds me i need some pics of lbjay's kid for my talk 2011-02-08 15:02:16 ksclarke lbjay++ #kid photos 2011-02-08 15:02:17 ranti that is NOT my baby 2011-02-08 15:02:19 BigD lbjay is a dingo 2011-02-08 15:02:27 robcaSSon lbjay++ # i stole that joke from the man himself 2011-02-08 15:02:33 mjg_ mjg_ nico has lbjay's eyes and benoit's accent 2011-02-08 15:02:37 danwho will someone think of the solr babies?! 2011-02-08 15:02:42 scolford ranti: not sure. are there others beyond these? chanitra will know better than i. 2011-02-08 15:02:47 anarchivist @ana solr baby 2011-02-08 15:02:47 zoia anarchivist: Ably robs 2011-02-08 15:02:52 anarchivist @google baby conference 2011-02-08 15:02:53 zoia anarchivist: The Baby Conference - Vision Forum Ministries: ; My Top 10 list from the Baby Conference: ; Life In a Shoe The Baby Conference: ; Life In a Shoe Baby Conference recap: ; WABC World Aquatic (2 more messages) 2011-02-08 15:02:55 ndushay they could have their own tv show: solr babies 2011-02-08 15:03:06 timmcgeary caption: Is that poop I smell or just a MARC record? 2011-02-08 15:03:06 mjg_ disembodied_baby_heads-- 2011-02-08 15:03:09 dchud_ 1. lead with your demo. 2011-02-08 15:03:10 BigD creepy baby 2011-02-08 15:03:10 jaf dchud: no knishes, but they do have latkes 2011-02-08 15:03:16 sesuncedu that reminds me that I have a lot of jelly babies 2011-02-08 15:03:19 anarchivist ndushay: i'm imagining a muppet babies-style tv show with you and BillDueber and rhaschart 2011-02-08 15:03:19 mbklein dchud++ totally 2011-02-08 15:03:25 anarchivist ndushay: and erikhatcher 2011-02-08 15:03:28 jrochkind ooh, I wanna know the answer 2011-02-08 15:03:30 ndushay anarchivist: thanks a lot. 2011-02-08 15:03:32 BillDueber I get to be Gonzo. 2011-02-08 15:03:35 anarchivist ndushay++ 2011-02-08 15:03:35 bmljenny Aaa it's like that sun baby on the teletubbies. 2011-02-08 15:03:37 ndushay I was thinking teletubbies 2011-02-08 15:03:41 anarchivist bmljenny++ 2011-02-08 15:03:45 BigD http://images1.wikia.nocookie.net/uncyclopedia/images/9/98/Teletubbies-sun.png 2011-02-08 15:03:46 jtgorman I'm guessing it didn't 2011-02-08 15:03:46 jrochkind yeah, doens't work. 2011-02-08 15:03:46 atz "gimme 2 million record IDs" ... that's nuts. pretty awesome if you can do it... 2011-02-08 15:03:49 BillDueber Or maybe Fozzie, so I can saw "wakka wakka wakka" 2011-02-08 15:03:49 mbklein what_the_hell_methodology++ 2011-02-08 15:03:53 ndushay Can I be fozzy? 2011-02-08 15:04:00 jrochkind as is a problem for us for dump for Google SiteMap. So I wanna know what he did instead! 2011-02-08 15:04:04 scolford BigD++ 2011-02-08 15:04:09 robcaSSon mbklein:++ wth++ 2011-02-08 15:04:28 BigD who's the librarian NOW??? 2011-02-08 15:04:39 ndushay great graph!!! 2011-02-08 15:04:42 mbklein crying baby bar graph 2011-02-08 15:04:43 timmcgeary ndushay: did you see the Muppets-style engagement movie? 2011-02-08 15:04:44 gsf anarchivist: http://www.metacafe.com/watch/43553/baby_conference/ 2011-02-08 15:04:52 jrochkind actually 10 seconds for 1m records wouldn't be too bad for a nightly dump. 2011-02-08 15:04:53 jaf BigD: Noah Wyle? 2011-02-08 15:04:55 ranti scolford OK. As far as I know those are the ones we have. Looks like they can be for tomorrow. 2011-02-08 15:04:59 ndushay it's the wizard of oz! in ruby-land! 2011-02-08 15:05:01 akorphan Wait,w hat's that giant blob? 2011-02-08 15:05:02 akorphan Oh, it's a babyhead 2011-02-08 15:05:02 anarchivist gsf++ 2011-02-08 15:05:07 akorphan BABYHEAD! 2011-02-08 15:05:07 cazzerson baby_visualization++ 2011-02-08 15:05:07 mbklein jaf++ 2011-02-08 15:05:08 scolford ranti: sounds like a plan. 2011-02-08 15:05:08 mtomko did they consider partitioning? 2011-02-08 15:05:09 bohyunkim babyhead 2011-02-08 15:05:15 mbklein @hussein babyhead 2011-02-08 15:05:15 zoia mbklein: He is a shabby nude 2011-02-08 15:05:17 danwho ndushay++ 2011-02-08 15:05:17 jrochkind nah, it's solr/lucene 2011-02-08 15:05:20 anarchivist zoia++ 2011-02-08 15:05:26 scolford zoia++ 2011-02-08 15:05:33 akorphan There used to be a club in providence called Babyhead 2011-02-08 15:05:42 bmljenny I bet that baby enjoys the warmed cache. 2011-02-08 15:05:43 mbklein zoia! 2011-02-08 15:05:44 zoia mbklein! 2011-02-08 15:05:47 BigD um... nevermind. 2011-02-08 15:05:52 jaf it would be cool if the side monitors could display the chat room instead of the slides 2011-02-08 15:05:59 scolford stop saying babyhead or i'm going to cackle in the middle of jay's presentation 2011-02-08 15:06:06 timmcgeary what's in the box? tell me what's in the box? oh, man, what is in the box? 2011-02-08 15:06:06 jaron please go on. i want to hear this 2011-02-08 15:06:11 emorgan I said it here first. 2011-02-08 15:06:12 akorphan BABY...HEAD... 2011-02-08 15:06:13 mjg_ @danify babyhead luker 2011-02-08 15:06:13 ndushay scolford: babyhead babyhead babyhead 2011-02-08 15:06:14 zoia mjg_: Båbyhèåd Lükèrsen 2011-02-08 15:06:14 dchud "...there is a girl in new york city who calls herself the giant babyhead..." 2011-02-08 15:06:31 zoia Yeah, I mean because of cbeer, I'm still here polishing the floor of this hospital. 2011-02-08 15:06:33 mjg_ Intger 2011-02-08 15:06:38 scolford jaf++ excellent idea 2011-02-08 15:06:41 robcaSSon lbjay++ # abbreviating 2011-02-08 15:06:47 gsf baby of darkness 2011-02-08 15:06:54 mjg_ @takify babyhead 2011-02-08 15:06:55 zoia Ḇ Ắ Ḅ Ỵ Ḧ Ḗ Ą Ḑ 2011-02-08 15:07:06 chelociraptor gfs++ 2011-02-08 15:07:06 robcaSSon nico is the new BOB 2011-02-08 15:07:06 ndushay @ana babyhead 2011-02-08 15:07:07 zoia ndushay: Had abbey 2011-02-08 15:07:11 BigD each baby seems to have a different ethnicity 2011-02-08 15:07:16 akorphan low contrast babyhead 2011-02-08 15:07:17 pmurray @cyborg babyhead 2011-02-08 15:07:20 zoia pmurray: B.A.B.Y.H.E.A.D.: Biomechanical Artificial Being Yearning for Hazardous Exploration and Accurate Destruction 2011-02-08 15:07:24 gsf what's missing? a babyhead! 2011-02-08 15:07:24 mjg_ BigD: boston is a melting pot 2011-02-08 15:07:29 akorphan I can't pick up on the right emotion for each slide due to the babyhead's inscrutable low contrast 2011-02-08 15:07:32 dchud heh 2011-02-08 15:07:32 sesuncedu @scalia this is a babyhead 2011-02-08 15:07:33 zoia sesuncedu: this is a 'babyhead' 2011-02-08 15:07:33 jaf there's something missing from this picture - LIKE THE REST OF THE BABY! 2011-02-08 15:07:35 robcaSSon gsf++ # spittake 2011-02-08 15:07:52 ecorrado jaf++ 2011-02-08 15:07:56 pmurray jaf++ 2011-02-08 15:08:05 BigD the baby is a lie 2011-02-08 15:08:21 jaf @sing cat stevens : wild world 2011-02-08 15:08:24 zoia I hope you have a lot of nice things to wear / But then a lot of nice things turn bad out there / [Chorus:] / Oh, baby, baby, it's a wild world 2011-02-08 15:08:34 bmljenny Also you need a cute hat 2011-02-08 15:08:35 mjg_ the baby worked on these slides 2011-02-08 15:08:37 pmurray BigD: Huh. Usually one has to wait for them to get up to three years old or so before they start lying. 2011-02-08 15:08:37 pmurray \ 2011-02-08 15:08:41 pberry Math is hard 2011-02-08 15:08:47 jrochkind some inconsistencies with the yeah. i run into those a lot too. 2011-02-08 15:08:49 gluejar the channel is now bashing babies. 2011-02-08 15:08:57 mjg_ lbjay++ 2011-02-08 15:08:58 anarchivist @ana baby neckbeard 2011-02-08 15:08:58 zoia anarchivist: Crabby, bad keen 2011-02-08 15:09:00 robcaSSon lbjay++ benoit++ nico++ 2011-02-08 15:09:01 erikhatcher lbjay++ 2011-02-08 15:09:02 BigD MY EYES!!!! 2011-02-08 15:09:03 jaf props for going there with the baby neckbeard++ 2011-02-08 15:09:04 scolford lbjay++ 2011-02-08 15:09:05 anarchivist @hussein baby neckbeard 2011-02-08 15:09:05 pberry Disturbing 2011-02-08 15:09:05 zoia anarchivist: Shabby as nice debunker 2011-02-08 15:09:07 robcaSSon cool hack, cool baby 2011-02-08 15:09:07 ranti baby_neck_beard_fest+ 2011-02-08 15:09:08 gsf impressive speed 2011-02-08 15:09:12 jaf photoshop skilz-- 2011-02-08 15:09:20 mtomko nice. 2011-02-08 15:09:25 rsinger Mattel's "My First Neckbeard" (tm) 2011-02-08 15:09:27 mjg_ I wondered where my beard was yesterday 2011-02-08 15:09:31 jaf rsinger++ 2011-02-08 15:09:44 BigD i hope he cleaned that ferret before he put it on the baby 2011-02-08 15:09:54 jrochkind is erikhatcher still here? 2011-02-08 15:09:56 robcaSSon @quote add what's missing? a babyhead! 2011-02-08 15:09:57 zoia robcaSSon: Error: You must be registered to use this command. If you are already registered, you must either identify (using the identify command) or add a hostmask matching your current hostmask (using the "hostmask add" command). 2011-02-08 15:09:57 dchud ranti: they're out of time. 2011-02-08 15:09:59 pberry o_0 2011-02-08 15:10:00 akorphan I keep hearing "El Nino" when they say "Invenio" 2011-02-08 15:10:05 timmcgeary rsinger++ 2011-02-08 15:10:08 duspal jaf: This is code4lib ... GIMP skilz-- 2011-02-08 15:10:24 davidWalker bring out the drupal hook! 2011-02-08 15:10:25 jaf duspal: you got me there. 2011-02-08 15:10:27 BigD no thanks to the baby? 2011-02-08 15:10:34 erikhatcher lbjay: maybe Solr's DocSet/List instead of OpenBitSet? 2011-02-08 15:10:38 davidWalker no Solr astronomy puns? 2011-02-08 15:10:39 akorphan babyhead++ 2011-02-08 15:10:46 jaron lbjay++ 2011-02-08 15:10:51 gsf gsf benoit++ lbjay++ 2011-02-08 15:10:55 scolford @love babyhead 2011-02-08 15:10:57 zoia scolford: The operation succeeded. scolford loves babyhead. 2011-02-08 15:11:29 gsf babyhead++ 2011-02-08 15:11:39 akorphan Are there afternoon snacks??? 2011-02-08 15:12:02 chelociraptor akorphan: yes, babyhead wrapped in bacon 2011-02-08 15:12:09 cbeer should have put solr in the solarium. 2011-02-08 15:12:19 gsf 1. drupal in libraries 2011-02-08 15:12:24 gluejar terrible_java_programmers++ 2011-02-08 15:12:27 gsf 2. digital research 2011-02-08 15:12:32 gsf 3. zope in libraries 2011-02-08 15:12:42 gsf 4. usability research 2011-02-08 15:12:43 mjg_ I'm thinking hospitality breakout 2011-02-08 15:12:45 mjg_ who's with me? 2011-02-08 15:12:48 gsf 5. ezproxy something 2011-02-08 15:12:49 jtgorman gsf++ 2011-02-08 15:13:00 timmcgeary mjg_++ 2011-02-08 15:13:02 scolford gsf++ 2011-02-08 15:13:07 MrDys does powerpoint support animated gifs? 2011-02-08 15:13:08 royt 6. Babyheads in libraries 2011-02-08 15:13:11 zoia But you're not as confused as ablemann, are you. I mean, it's not your job to be as confused as ablemann. 2011-02-08 15:13:22 gsf royt: you missed the "MARC is dead" slide! 2011-02-08 15:13:28 royt gsf: crap 2011-02-08 15:13:30 mbklein Exactly how fast is "baby neckbeard fast"? 2011-02-08 15:13:32 timmcgeary who wants to go to drupal? seriously? 2011-02-08 15:13:40 gsf royt: check out the vufind talk later 2011-02-08 15:13:46 robcaSSon i'm not sure what the hell is going on 2011-02-08 15:13:51 dchud_ i'm going to sit here and start to poke at cassandra. 2011-02-08 15:13:52 jtgorman mbklein: any faster, the baby isn't even born yet, there's just the neckbeard 2011-02-08 15:13:52 royt gsf: kthx 2011-02-08 15:14:04 scolford 7. Nap 2011-02-08 15:14:10 mbklein jrochkind: Rosemary's Neckbeard? 2011-02-08 15:14:13 decasm_ fyi to all, i'll be in the hospitality suite 2011-02-08 15:14:14 mjg_ I'm headed to the H-suite 2011-02-08 15:14:19 sesuncedu lets have the breakout right here in the barn 2011-02-08 15:14:25 royt 6. Scotch ; 7. Nap 2011-02-08 15:14:31 pberry I'm confused 2011-02-08 15:14:31 pberry SOMEBODY TELL ME WHERE TO GO 2011-02-08 15:14:31 pberry okay 2011-02-08 15:14:31 pberry Now everybody get off my AP 2011-02-08 15:14:46 mjg_ h-suite, HO! 2011-02-08 15:15:09 davidWalker so live stream comes back on for the lightning talks? 2011-02-08 15:15:27 davidWalker live_stream++ # can't say enough good things about how well this has been done 2011-02-08 15:15:33 timmcgeary is there food? 2011-02-08 15:15:49 ejk live_stream++ // ditto davidWalker 2011-02-08 15:17:07 pberry timmcgeary: Leftover tacos! 2011-02-08 15:17:09 royt live_stream++ 2011-02-08 15:18:17 ejk fellow live streamers, I raise my Mt. Dew to you 2011-02-08 15:20:43 anna3lc afraid to exit channel; may not be able to get back in. 2011-02-08 15:21:36 pberry I'm totally camping 2011-02-08 15:21:49 pberry Although, wireless should really clear up now 2011-02-08 15:22:36 archivist should be no problem anna3lc but lurking in chan so you dont miss any thing is completely normal 2011-02-08 15:24:18 zoia Shh! Daft largesse 2011-02-08 15:24:31 pberry So, basically we have all the same technology problems but different people problems 2011-02-08 15:28:48 pberry @karma live_streaming 2011-02-08 15:28:48 zoia pberry: live_streaming has neutral karma. 2011-02-08 15:30:08 pberry Hey 2011-02-08 15:30:11 ejk @karma live_stream 2011-02-08 15:30:12 zoia ejk: Karma for "live_stream" has been increased 18 times and decreased 0 times for a total karma of 18. 2011-02-08 15:30:15 mjg_ anarchivist: http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_0X1ggm5ZqsA/TEkAtqN5rvI/AAAAAAAAGyo/oJYWX3HL3Vw/s1600/bluetoothfail.png 2011-02-08 15:30:20 pberry Wow. Lag 2011-02-08 15:30:27 anarchivist mjg_++ 2011-02-08 15:30:33 anarchivist mjg_: where u at 2011-02-08 15:30:39 mjg_ h-suite 2011-02-08 15:30:47 mjg_ w/ cbeer, decasm, and eby 2011-02-08 15:30:52 anarchivist mjg_: werd 2011-02-08 15:30:59 eby wall is making tea for you anarchivist 2011-02-08 15:31:08 mjg_ prolly gonna livestream the lightning talks in here too 2011-02-08 15:31:26 mjg_ eby++ 2011-02-08 15:31:29 eby @hussein USS Booze 2011-02-08 15:31:30 zoia eby: Ozone issues bush 2011-02-08 15:31:34 anarchivist mjg_: might come up 2011-02-08 15:31:43 anarchivist mjg_: i'm feeling a little braindead 2011-02-08 15:31:49 mjg_ anarchivist: we have cookies, danishes, muffins, cheese, sausage, soda, beer, and booze 2011-02-08 15:31:58 eby bourbon_and_coke++ 2011-02-08 15:32:02 zoia I've got a coke in my pocket *and* I'm happy to see you. 2011-02-08 15:32:09 eby @karma bourbon_and_coke 2011-02-08 15:32:09 zoia eby: Karma for "bourbon_and_coke" has been increased 2 times and decreased 0 times for a total karma of 2. 2011-02-08 15:32:23 pberry lag-- 2011-02-08 15:32:57 rsinger http://code.google.com/intl/sr/more/table/ 2011-02-08 15:33:10 younga mjg! 2011-02-08 15:33:35 younga mjg: that sounds like the best breakout session. 2011-02-08 15:33:42 mjg_ younga: yeah! 2011-02-08 15:33:51 mjg_ younga: be even better with you here. :) 2011-02-08 15:33:56 eby http://l-userpic.livejournal.com/95114543/15610594 2011-02-08 15:34:13 younga mjg: finishing coffee and on my way. 2011-02-08 15:34:52 mjg_ rsinger: nifty. 2011-02-08 15:34:55 pberry @ask am I lagged 2011-02-08 15:34:56 zoia pberry: Don't worry, there's nobody here but me and my buffer overflows. 2011-02-08 15:38:04 akorphan snacks++ 2011-02-08 15:38:55 ejk @who is lagged 2011-02-08 15:38:55 zoia rajnb is lagged. 2011-02-08 15:39:01 dbs Just in time for #code4lib 2011, File_MARC 0.6.2 has been released - yes, I know you're all going to rejoice and spend the rest of the conference on PHP MARC hacking! 2011-02-08 15:39:11 anarchivist dbs++ 2011-02-08 15:39:30 dbs asnagy: insert your "Oh for crissakes just release 1.0 already" groan here :) 2011-02-08 15:40:40 asnagy dbs: Oh for crissakes just release 1.0 already 2011-02-08 15:40:47 dbs asnagy++ 2011-02-08 15:40:51 davidWalker dbs++ 2011-02-08 15:41:11 asnagy "release early, release often" 2011-02-08 15:41:13 mjg_ dbs++ 2011-02-08 15:41:14 anarchivist don't mind me, just pulling a 91 mb xml file 2011-02-08 15:41:29 davidWalker dbs: what's new in 0.6.2 ? 2011-02-08 15:41:38 davidWalker just fixes? 2011-02-08 15:41:54 zoia Shh! Daft largesse 2011-02-08 15:42:12 mjg_ eikeon: what's the story on the mysql backend in rdflib 3.0? 2011-02-08 15:42:23 dbs davidWalker: just fixes - one inspired by a problem jeff ran into in MARC::File::XML, where MARCXML records with mangled, overly-long leaders generate invalid MARC21 records that nobody parses cleanly 2011-02-08 15:42:51 dbs solution: $leader = substr($leader, 0, 24); # more or less :) 2011-02-08 15:43:02 davidWalker cool 2011-02-08 15:43:05 anarchivist @tweet [sing katy perry : teenage dream : regrets] #c4l11 2011-02-08 15:43:07 zoia The operation succeeded. 2011-02-08 15:43:28 eikeon mjg_: it's been moved out of rdflib proper in 3.0 into rdfextras or wherever people would like to maintain it. 2011-02-08 15:43:49 dbs (ugly, but hey, my 37 unit tests pass and yaz-marcdump etc can deal with the MARC21 output without vomiting now, so a win all around) 2011-02-08 15:43:50 zoia I've got a coke in my pocket *and* I'm happy to see you. 2011-02-08 15:44:19 royt anarchivist: the word "sing" should not be in the same sentence as "katy perry" -- chant, maybe 2011-02-08 15:45:00 anarchivist when are the lightning talks supposed to start? 2011-02-08 15:45:13 anarchivist for some reason i thought ranti said they were starting at 4 2011-02-08 15:45:45 anna3lc anarchivist: schedule says 4 2011-02-08 15:45:53 jaron anarchivist: I thought 4. not much space in the schedule to move that around 2011-02-08 15:45:57 ejk You guys on Eastern or Central time? I always get confused with Indiana 2011-02-08 15:45:59 anarchivist anarchivist: the wiki page for the breakouts says 16:00-17:00 2011-02-08 15:46:01 zoia find / -name 'jrochkind' -exec chmod 0000 '{}' \; 2011-02-08 15:46:01 ranti anarchivist: yes, we aim at 4. 2011-02-08 15:46:02 anarchivist ejk: eastern 2011-02-08 15:46:21 ejk thanks. No math required 2011-02-08 15:46:25 anna3lc is the reception a dinner thing? 2011-02-08 15:46:36 jrochkind anna3lc: i have heard a rumor that it is. 2011-02-08 15:46:37 anarchivist anna3lc: i was wondering the same thing, but i assumed so 2011-02-08 15:46:42 jrochkind with fancy food. is the rumor. 2011-02-08 15:46:46 rsinger @sing phil collins : no jacket required 2011-02-08 15:46:47 zoia rsinger: No lyrics found for no jacket required by phil collins 2011-02-08 15:46:57 ranti local committee members should start rounding up the folks sometime before 4 to go back to the Alumni Hall. 2011-02-08 15:47:06 anarchivist @sing phil collins : sussudio 2011-02-08 15:47:09 zoia There's this girl that's been on my mind / All the time, Sussudio oh oh / Now she don't even know my name 2011-02-08 15:47:58 anarchivist @insult helrond 2011-02-08 15:47:59 zoia helrond: You are nothing but a beef-witted tongueful of knotty-pated assholes. 2011-02-08 15:48:13 helrond @mf anarchivist 2011-02-08 15:48:14 zoia Hey, anarchivist... 2011-02-08 15:48:15 zoia .-. 2011-02-08 15:48:16 zoia |-| 2011-02-08 15:48:17 zoia | | 2011-02-08 15:48:18 zoia _.-|=|-. 2011-02-08 15:48:19 zoia / | | | | 2011-02-08 15:48:20 zoia | |\ 2011-02-08 15:48:21 zoia | / 2011-02-08 15:48:22 zoia \ /` 2011-02-08 15:48:23 zoia | | 2011-02-08 15:48:39 anarchivist @sing katy perry : tgif 2011-02-08 15:48:42 zoia anarchivist: No lyrics found for tgif by katy perry 2011-02-08 15:48:44 ejk (Time zone) math is hard 2011-02-08 15:52:27 ecorrado if you are doing alightning talk today come up to the podium as soon as breakouts are over. 2011-02-08 15:52:29 mjg_ eikeon: I was looking through rdfextras the other day and couldn't find it: http://code.google.com/p/rdfextras/source/browse/#hg%2Frdfextras 2011-02-08 15:53:16 mjg_ eikeon: the disclaimer about rdfextras being unstable is a bit scary, too. :) 2011-02-08 15:54:08 mjg_ not that my code is any stabler. 2011-02-08 15:55:50 akorphan cranky. 2011-02-08 15:59:55 dchud_ RING RING RING come back for lightning talks RING RING RING 2011-02-08 16:00:47 dan64 LT are starting already? I thought we are 15mins behind schedule? 2011-02-08 16:01:01 JodiS is that just general chatter on the video stream? 2011-02-08 16:01:37 anarchivist1 JodiS: likely 2011-02-08 16:01:52 JodiS yup, just heard ecorrado with "get your presentation on the 'puter" 2011-02-08 16:02:30 timmcgeary they are getting back on schedule now 2011-02-08 16:02:36 eeevil eeevil fires up the live stream ... it's like I'm there! 2011-02-08 16:02:42 davidWalker using_the_same_computer++ 2011-02-08 16:02:53 jbrinley jbrinley checks in for the lightning talks 2011-02-08 16:03:08 atz eeevil: any ESI folks attending (in person)? 2011-02-08 16:03:09 davidWalker eeevil: you'll just need to go get drunk tonight, and the experience is complete 2011-02-08 16:03:10 JodiS sounds like jrochkind :) 2011-02-08 16:03:20 zoia mbklein's operation succeeded 2011-02-08 16:03:23 eeevil atz: no sir 2011-02-08 16:03:34 eeevil davidWalker: that is indeed my plan 2011-02-08 16:03:43 atz eeevil: bummers. hopefully next year. 2011-02-08 16:03:57 JodiS a little datacite commentary here: http://www.russet.org.uk/blog/ 2011-02-08 16:04:25 eeevil atz: hopefully, yes. 2011-02-08 16:05:01 pberry There is always time for snark 2011-02-08 16:05:04 MrDys blam blam blam lightning talks 2011-02-08 16:05:20 eefcee live_stream++ 2011-02-08 16:05:21 pberry Go BillDueber 2011-02-08 16:05:24 JodiS BillDueber++ 2011-02-08 16:05:29 dbs dbs - freetard that I am - can't get the stream to work with gnash 2011-02-08 16:05:36 ejk live_stream++ 2011-02-08 16:05:38 davidWalker @eightball will this be about json? 2011-02-08 16:05:38 lbjay DUUUUUUBZ! 2011-02-08 16:05:38 zoia davidWalker: One would be wise to think so. 2011-02-08 16:05:43 timmcgeary Is this really an IT conference? j/k 2011-02-08 16:05:44 tomkeays live_stream++ 2011-02-08 16:05:46 anarchivist1 BillDueber++ 2011-02-08 16:05:49 ejk GO BLUE 2011-02-08 16:05:55 MrDys you shouldn't sweat blood 2011-02-08 16:05:56 atz no time to snark? nevar! 2011-02-08 16:06:00 anna3lc there's always time for snark 2011-02-08 16:06:04 dchud we're on 2011-02-08 16:06:05 zoia rsinger thinks they're hot / but hot they're not 2011-02-08 16:06:05 JodiS so quickly there's no time for snark? Agree w/atz! :) 2011-02-08 16:06:08 lbjay why was the mic not loving me? 2011-02-08 16:06:09 decasm_ are the cameras on down there? 2011-02-08 16:06:15 zoia Shh! Daft largesse 2011-02-08 16:06:19 anna3lc is that a pokemon eyeball? 2011-02-08 16:06:21 atz deuber_graph++ 2011-02-08 16:06:22 davidWalker tiiiiiiiiny 2011-02-08 16:06:22 helrond i'm glad nobody else here uses office 2010 either 2011-02-08 16:06:24 mjg_ lightning talks not being livestreamed, assuming they started 2011-02-08 16:06:27 JodiS :) 2011-02-08 16:06:33 JodiS mjg_ I've got stream here 2011-02-08 16:06:36 ejk BillDueber++ 2011-02-08 16:06:36 lbjay BillDueber++ 2011-02-08 16:06:37 rsinger rsinger is actually freezing 2011-02-08 16:06:40 dchud wholebaby++ 2011-02-08 16:06:41 davidWalker BillDueber++ 2011-02-08 16:06:41 jaf BillDueber++ 2011-02-08 16:06:42 mbklein BillDueber++ BillDueber++ BillDueber++ BillDueber++ 2011-02-08 16:06:44 duspal Deuber++ 2011-02-08 16:06:46 JodiS wholebaby? 2011-02-08 16:06:46 mjg_ shoot, not working here. 2011-02-08 16:06:46 julia_ Lightning talks are being live-streamed. 2011-02-08 16:06:47 lbjay my wife is going to give me hell 2011-02-08 16:06:49 chelociraptor whole_body++ 2011-02-08 16:06:51 JodiS JodiS didn't get that one 2011-02-08 16:06:53 anarchivist require 'wholebaby' 2011-02-08 16:06:59 anna3lc head_only++ 2011-02-08 16:07:07 mbklein mbklein JodiS: lbjay's presentation had floating baby heads in it. 2011-02-08 16:07:13 JodiS thanks mbklein :) 2011-02-08 16:07:19 zoia Is that... J from Dinosaur Jr? 2011-02-08 16:07:19 pberry Bazinga 2011-02-08 16:07:24 gsf self-selected_freaks++ 2011-02-08 16:07:25 chelociraptor anna3lc-- 2011-02-08 16:07:26 atz BillDueber++ 2011-02-08 16:07:44 lbjay @select freak 2011-02-08 16:07:46 zoia lbjay: I think there's a private google wave on that topic 2011-02-08 16:07:47 mbklein @tweet BillDueber: 45% of all sessions involve a single action: SEARCH #c4l11 2011-02-08 16:07:48 zoia mbklein: The operation succeeded. 2011-02-08 16:08:01 dchud this is a ton of slides for a lightning talk but he's pulling it off great 2011-02-08 16:08:04 MrDys can't wait to get a hold of thse slides 2011-02-08 16:08:15 atz these are bomb stats 2011-02-08 16:08:29 JodiS yeah, known item searches are useful 2011-02-08 16:08:31 lbjay @ana droppin the stat bomb 2011-02-08 16:08:31 anna3lc we care so they don't have to 2011-02-08 16:08:32 zoia lbjay: Not drabbest, hot pimp 2011-02-08 16:08:36 mbklein I'm pretty psyched about there being an archived streaming version of this. 2011-02-08 16:08:38 dchud woah 2011-02-08 16:08:38 MrDys @ana bomb stats 2011-02-08 16:08:39 zoia MrDys: Stab tombs 2011-02-08 16:08:43 JodiS and getting to shelf browse can help if you get something reasonable at the top 2011-02-08 16:08:49 robcaSSon BillDueber++ 2011-02-08 16:08:58 rsinger "I've disembodied my baby's head so you don't have to" 2011-02-08 16:09:06 mjg_ what's BillDueber presenting on, for those of us hated by livestreaming? 2011-02-08 16:09:11 anna3lc rsinger++ 2011-02-08 16:09:12 ejk prev_next_back-- 2011-02-08 16:09:14 MrDys mjg_: opac stats 2011-02-08 16:09:15 eefcee clap 2011-02-08 16:09:18 pberry BillDueber++ 2011-02-08 16:09:20 anna3lc BillDueber++ 2011-02-08 16:09:20 jtgorman mjg_: awesome stats 2011-02-08 16:09:24 JodiS CDL++ 2011-02-08 16:09:25 mbklein BillDueber++ 2011-02-08 16:09:29 danwho We put a "where's the restroom" link our opac. 2011-02-08 16:09:30 eefcee BillDueber++ 2011-02-08 16:09:30 gsf mjg_: his merlin catalog stats 2011-02-08 16:09:31 ejk BillDueber++ 2011-02-08 16:09:38 rsinger BullDueber++ 2011-02-08 16:09:41 tokeee BillDueber++ 2011-02-08 16:09:45 dbs BillDueber++ 2011-02-08 16:09:47 jdwyn BillDueber++ 2011-02-08 16:09:48 dlovins BIllDueber++ 2011-02-08 16:09:48 JodiS BillDueber: thinking aggregation with the Hubberfield UK stats maybe? 2011-02-08 16:09:51 rsinger sorry, i meant 2011-02-08 16:09:52 gsf geez 2011-02-08 16:09:53 lbjay @takify tacos4lib 2011-02-08 16:09:54 zoia Ť Ẫ Ḉ Ṍ Ṩ 4 Ł Í ℬ 2011-02-08 16:09:55 jtgorman ie 45% people just do a search 2011-02-08 16:09:58 gsf @karma BillDueber 2011-02-08 16:09:59 highermath_aw so how many folks just go to the search page and stare at the logo? 2011-02-08 16:09:59 zoia gsf: Karma for "BillDueber" has been increased 261 times and decreased 13 times for a total karma of 248. 2011-02-08 16:10:00 rsinger "BullDueber"++ 2011-02-08 16:10:04 dchud BillDueber++ 2011-02-08 16:10:07 mjg_ livestream-- livestream-- livestream-- 2011-02-08 16:10:15 lbjay mjg_: WALK DOWN THE HALL 2011-02-08 16:10:15 edsu mjg_: ? 2011-02-08 16:10:18 highermath_aw BillDueber++ 2011-02-08 16:10:19 julia_ And *now* the livestream is gone. 2011-02-08 16:10:26 davidWalker mine still works 2011-02-08 16:10:27 mjg_ lbjay: w-w-walk? 2011-02-08 16:10:28 jbrinley jbrinley still has a livestream 2011-02-08 16:10:34 eefcee live_stream still up here in MN 2011-02-08 16:10:36 ejk live_stream++ 2011-02-08 16:10:37 JodiS slides are here for better viewing at your seat: http://btingle.bitbucket.org/c4l11/ 2011-02-08 16:10:39 edsu edsu still has livestream too 2011-02-08 16:10:45 julia_ Interesting. I'm in Iowa, so it's not a wireless problem.... 2011-02-08 16:10:47 dbs livestream looks fine to me (now that I fired up Windows in a VM) 2011-02-08 16:10:48 cbeer mjg_: i couldn't get the livestream to work for me either -- i thought UI was just IP blocking local IPs 2011-02-08 16:10:56 lbjay maybe they got smart and started blocking the stream from local ips 2011-02-08 16:11:03 mjg_ could be. sounds like a typical enterprise tactic. 2011-02-08 16:11:11 edsu why are people watching the livestream if they are there? 2011-02-08 16:11:12 mjg_ enterprise means being an asshole. 2011-02-08 16:11:15 lbjay cbeer++ jinx 2011-02-08 16:11:22 cbeer edsu: we want to get the same experience you are? 2011-02-08 16:11:24 anna3lc edsu: because they were too lazy to come back from the h-suite 2011-02-08 16:11:26 julia_ I'm not there -- I'm allowed to watch the livestream! 2011-02-08 16:11:26 JodiS "Facebook for dead people" 2011-02-08 16:11:26 mjg_ edsu: trying to watch from the h-suite. :) 2011-02-08 16:11:29 lbjay edsu: lazy 2011-02-08 16:11:32 atz edsu: just to be dicks 2011-02-08 16:11:35 julia_ (It's back now.) 2011-02-08 16:11:35 timmcgeary that's awesome 2011-02-08 16:11:37 dchud remainsbook++ 2011-02-08 16:11:37 davidWalker facebook_for_dead_people++ 2011-02-08 16:11:38 zoia RT @bot4lib: BillDueber: 45% of all sessions involve a single action: SEARCH #c4l11 ; RT @yo_bj: RT @bot4lib: BillDueber: 45% of all sessions involve a single action: SEARCH #c4l11 2011-02-08 16:11:41 younga "Facebook for dead people" 2011-02-08 16:11:41 edsu anna3lc: ahah :-) 2011-02-08 16:11:55 jbrinley @ana facebook for dead people 2011-02-08 16:11:56 zoia jbrinley: Beaker of po-faced poodle 2011-02-08 16:11:57 atz SkullFaceBook 2011-02-08 16:11:59 anna3lc i see jquery 2011-02-08 16:12:00 jaf "I friend dead people" 2011-02-08 16:12:08 dchud jaf++ 2011-02-08 16:12:09 timmcgeary jaf++ 2011-02-08 16:12:11 pberry Zombiebook 2011-02-08 16:12:20 jtgorman wow, the internetz are so fast without mjg_.... 2011-02-08 16:12:20 mbklein jaf++ 2011-02-08 16:12:27 edsu @scalia corporate bodies 2011-02-08 16:12:27 zoia edsu: corporate 'bodies' 2011-02-08 16:12:29 skome Are Livestream and Ustream roughly equivalent? Ad supported free streams, no archives. 2011-02-08 16:12:30 rsinger jaf++ 2011-02-08 16:12:36 dchud sucks to follow BillDueber with a faceted interface. looks good, though. 2011-02-08 16:12:41 MrDys ustream allows archives 2011-02-08 16:13:05 atz nice prototype sticker graphic 2011-02-08 16:13:08 gsf dchud: yeah, shout "but no one clicks on that!" 2011-02-08 16:13:10 anna3lc like the feedback button 2011-02-08 16:13:13 rsinger @eightball Are dead people the secret sauce that makes it web scale? 2011-02-08 16:13:13 zoia rsinger: It is possible. 2011-02-08 16:13:16 edsu i wonder what graph db they are using 2011-02-08 16:13:17 robcaSSon amoebas for dead people 2011-02-08 16:13:26 pberry It's funny to see postal service -- 2011-02-08 16:13:27 bmljenny Can I poke Ben Franklin? 2011-02-08 16:13:35 mbklein mcdonald2: Are the streams being archived/made available later? Or is it live and done? 2011-02-08 16:13:45 pberry Why they hatt 2011-02-08 16:13:49 atz archival auth control? crazytalk. but cool. 2011-02-08 16:13:54 pberry Hating on Postal Servie 2011-02-08 16:13:58 jtgorman dchud needs a cane 2011-02-08 16:14:04 jbrinley mbklein: http://www.indiana.edu/~uits/code4lib/program/sessions.php seems to imply that they'll be archived 2011-02-08 16:14:05 JodiS http://socialarchive.iath.virginia.edu/xtf/search looks like a cool way to interact with archival records 2011-02-08 16:14:05 edsu atz: yeah, i dig this project 2011-02-08 16:14:18 KingNightWolf I just got a vulnerability blocke alert... someone is portscanning 2011-02-08 16:14:20 mbklein jbrinley++ cool 2011-02-08 16:14:25 mcdonald2 mbklein: there is an archive and then we wil produce individual speaker chunks for inclusion in iu scholarworks and in internet archive 2011-02-08 16:14:33 mbklein speaker_chunks++ 2011-02-08 16:14:37 mbklein mcdonald++ 2011-02-08 16:14:42 lbjay j-rock++ 2011-02-08 16:14:43 JodiS jrochkind++ 2011-02-08 16:14:47 edsu jrock++ 2011-02-08 16:14:48 pberry Sucka 2011-02-08 16:14:48 JodiS daring++ 2011-02-08 16:14:49 dlovins tingle++ 2011-02-08 16:14:49 chelociraptor chunks_of_speakers++ 2011-02-08 16:14:49 lbjay FAIL 2011-02-08 16:14:50 mbklein jrochkind++ 2011-02-08 16:14:53 duspal doomed++ 2011-02-08 16:14:58 anna3lc popups explosion 2011-02-08 16:15:00 davidWalker jrochkind++ # living on the edge 2011-02-08 16:15:04 jaf I don't really think he understands the risks, i really don't :) 2011-02-08 16:15:07 JodiS JodiS laughs 2011-02-08 16:15:08 ejk Without a net 2011-02-08 16:15:09 robcaSSon jrochkind++ 2011-02-08 16:15:12 anarchivist jrochkind++ 2011-02-08 16:15:19 timmcgeary jrochkind++ 2011-02-08 16:15:25 highermath_aw jrochkind++ 2011-02-08 16:15:30 mbklein jrochkind++ 2011-02-08 16:15:35 mjg_ jrochkind did something, apparently. 2011-02-08 16:15:35 jbrinley jbrinley wishes he could see the screen 2011-02-08 16:15:36 eefcee steam the screen... 2011-02-08 16:15:43 robcaSSon jrocks internal dialogue 2011-02-08 16:15:44 dchud jrochkind++ 2011-02-08 16:15:45 eefcee um, stream 2011-02-08 16:15:47 lbjay nobody else having mic problems. bah. 2011-02-08 16:15:54 davidWalker stream the screen! 2011-02-08 16:15:56 jbrinley yay, screen 2011-02-08 16:15:59 pberry 2 min in... 2011-02-08 16:16:01 highermath highermath is lucky to just see the screen 2011-02-08 16:16:02 mbklein lbjay: Sucks to be tall 2011-02-08 16:16:17 anarchivist @ana widget factory 2011-02-08 16:16:18 zoia anarchivist: Witty of graced 2011-02-08 16:16:26 jaf jrochkind has the brave ++ 2011-02-08 16:16:34 pberry Ha 2011-02-08 16:16:38 davidWalker wha? 2011-02-08 16:16:41 edsu psychic programming! 2011-02-08 16:16:50 jtgorman jaf: now I have "Brave brave Sir Robin" stuck in my head 2011-02-08 16:17:10 dchud brave brave sir rochkind, he bravely coded ahead 2011-02-08 16:17:23 BillDueber jtgorman: When danger reared it's ugly head, he bravely turned his tail and fled 2011-02-08 16:17:25 pberry git revert 2011-02-08 16:17:33 mbklein lightning coder 2011-02-08 16:17:36 jaf live invisible code demo 2011-02-08 16:17:38 JodiS fontup, though 2011-02-08 16:17:40 JodiS jaf++ 2011-02-08 16:17:40 dchud vim++ 2011-02-08 16:17:45 BillDueber It's written in *invisible* virtual ink 2011-02-08 16:17:53 pberry Emporers new code 2011-02-08 16:17:55 jaf I'm sitting close enough I can vouch there was code there 2011-02-08 16:18:09 mbklein @sing Monty Python : Sir Robin 2011-02-08 16:18:11 zoia mbklein: No lyrics found for Sir Robin by Monty Python 2011-02-08 16:18:20 timmcgeary answer it 2011-02-08 16:18:21 pberry Hahaha 2011-02-08 16:18:21 lbjay @cluephone jrochkind 2011-02-08 16:18:22 BillDueber Take the call! 2011-02-08 16:18:22 zoia BBRRRRrrringgg! It's for jrochkind 2011-02-08 16:18:23 JodiS jrock++ 2011-02-08 16:18:23 davidWalker jrochkind++ 2011-02-08 16:18:28 BillDueber lbjay++ 2011-02-08 16:18:32 dchud wtf he made his phone ring with jquery 2011-02-08 16:18:38 lbjay dchud++ 2011-02-08 16:18:39 mbklein dchud++ 2011-02-08 16:18:41 jaf jrochkind++ 2011-02-08 16:18:42 anna3lc dchud++ 2011-02-08 16:18:42 timmcgeary dchud++ 2011-02-08 16:18:44 davidWalker dchud++ 2011-02-08 16:18:46 robcaSSon mbklein called him 2011-02-08 16:18:48 chelociraptor dchud++ 2011-02-08 16:18:51 mbklein did not 2011-02-08 16:18:55 timmcgeary ah, it was the call back stuff 2011-02-08 16:18:58 robcaSSon it's all staged 2011-02-08 16:19:03 dchud timmcgeary++ 2011-02-08 16:19:04 zoia I've got a coke in my pocket *and* I'm happy to see you. 2011-02-08 16:19:07 jkeck jrochkind++ # All the way from California 2011-02-08 16:19:09 davidWalker timmcgeary++ 2011-02-08 16:19:11 anna3lc jrochkind++ 2011-02-08 16:19:16 julia_ jrochkind++ 2011-02-08 16:19:16 BigD1 this is one of my fav parts of c4l 2011-02-08 16:19:18 jdwyn jrochkind++ 2011-02-08 16:19:19 mbklein $('#jrock').select('phone').ring() 2011-02-08 16:19:24 dchud this is jaron 2011-02-08 16:19:26 robcaSSon mbklein++ 2011-02-08 16:19:26 mjg_ BigD: what is? 2011-02-08 16:19:29 anarchivist jaron++ 2011-02-08 16:19:30 mjg_ BigD: lightning talks? 2011-02-08 16:19:31 atz jrochkind++ 2011-02-08 16:19:32 JodiS EAD 2nd up 2011-02-08 16:19:32 BigD lighning talks 2011-02-08 16:19:32 dchud er, jaron1 2011-02-08 16:19:35 BillDueber @who called jrochkind 2011-02-08 16:19:35 zoia spaldo called jrochkind. 2011-02-08 16:19:39 dchud jrochkind++ 2011-02-08 16:19:40 helrond painful ead is painful 2011-02-08 16:19:44 akorphan Wait!? Toys or tools?! 2011-02-08 16:19:46 pberry Toys. Word of the day 2011-02-08 16:19:47 mbklein @caresabout ead 2011-02-08 16:19:48 davidWalker who is this talking? 2011-02-08 16:19:49 zoia mbklein: ead doesn't seem to care about anything. 2011-02-08 16:19:51 dlovins jrochkind++ 2011-02-08 16:19:52 lbjay spaldo: ahhh, revenge! 2011-02-08 16:19:54 anna3lc @decide toys or tools 2011-02-08 16:19:55 zoia anna3lc: go with tools 2011-02-08 16:19:56 mbklein davidWalker: Jason Ronallo, aka jaron 2011-02-08 16:19:57 anarchivist @hate ead 2011-02-08 16:19:59 zoia anarchivist: The operation succeeded. anarchivist hates ead. 2011-02-08 16:20:05 robcaSSon @whocares ead 2011-02-08 16:20:06 zoia anarchivist hates ead 2011-02-08 16:20:12 zoia find / -name 'jrochkind' -exec chmod 0000 '{}' \; 2011-02-08 16:20:15 BillDueber JodiS: Ref to Hubberfield stats? 2011-02-08 16:20:17 JodiS oh, ++ to whoever fixed Weds + Thurs signups to day of :) 2011-02-08 16:20:24 JodiS BillDueber, sure, give me a minute 2011-02-08 16:20:30 jrochkind that was 1-800- AjaxyDialog 2011-02-08 16:20:39 mbklein mead++ 2011-02-08 16:20:44 robcaSSon jrochkind++ 2011-02-08 16:20:58 akorphan mmm... mead.... 2011-02-08 16:21:35 timmcgeary now THAT was lightning fast 2011-02-08 16:21:43 JodiS pmurray++ 2011-02-08 16:21:50 yo_bj mead++ 2011-02-08 16:21:52 dchud we had mead at the end of last year's code4libcon 2011-02-08 16:21:53 timmcgeary remnants? 2011-02-08 16:21:56 pberry Thats a lot of nets 2011-02-08 16:21:57 BillDueber jaron++ 2011-02-08 16:21:59 druthb Minor Announcement: Koha geeks, friends of Koha geeks, and folks who want to be (or learn about being) Koha geeks, there will be a hackfest/bull session after the reception tonight, in room 401 of the hotel. Plan for 8:30 for that. Plenty of power outlets, and wireless access is good up there. 2011-02-08 16:22:00 davidWalker code4libnet 2011-02-08 16:22:00 scolford they cast a wide 'net 2011-02-08 16:22:12 BillDueber pberry: They can afford it. jrochkind was working without one 2011-02-08 16:22:12 dchud just *once* i'd like to see him in a jester's hat 2011-02-08 16:22:20 pberry jaron++ 2011-02-08 16:22:27 JodiS BillDueber: maybe it's not relevant, they're mostly circ stats: http://www.daveyp.com/blog/archives/category/library-stuff/usage-data 2011-02-08 16:22:30 BillDueber dchud: But a sad jester's hat. 2011-02-08 16:22:36 spaldo lbjay: hah heh heh. was thinking the same thing, sorta. 2011-02-08 16:22:36 BillDueber JodiS++ # thanks! 2011-02-08 16:22:43 dchud BillDueber: exactly. you're feelin' me. 2011-02-08 16:22:55 JodiS Do you know anybody at U Oklahoma? There's been interesting work from the BOSS catalog stats 2011-02-08 16:23:08 atz no federated search option? 2011-02-08 16:23:10 dchud that's an odd chart. 2011-02-08 16:23:11 gsf doesn't look like "by far" to me 2011-02-08 16:23:16 timmcgeary federated_search-- 2011-02-08 16:23:21 BillDueber JodiS: I don't think so, but I'm not afraid to cold-call them. 2011-02-08 16:23:29 gregjansen toy 2011-02-08 16:23:36 BillDueber ANYONE HERE FROM UNIVERSITY OF OKLAHOMA???? 2011-02-08 16:23:37 JodiS Dave Pattern :) 2011-02-08 16:23:46 JodiS oh, no he's the Huddersfield person 2011-02-08 16:23:50 JodiS dunno about U Ok 2011-02-08 16:23:56 highermath my Drupal slides are up at http://is.gd/rDt1a3 2011-02-08 16:23:56 zoia highermath: I believe you're referring to You know you have..." 2011-02-08 16:36:02 robcaSSon was talking in the hall (briefly) with escowles and erikhatcher about this 2011-02-08 16:36:04 mjg_ @quote get 310 2011-02-08 16:36:05 jbrinley robcaSSon: erikhatcher likes them, but most stuff is ruby these days 2011-02-08 16:36:05 zoia mjg_: Quote #310: " You know you have achieved perfection in design, not when you have nothing more to add, but when you have nothing more to take away." (added by ksclarke at 03:09 PM, May 19, 2006) 2011-02-08 16:36:11 eefcee ich liebe code 2011-02-08 16:36:13 JodiS coolness! 2011-02-08 16:36:20 akorphan code4lobe 2011-02-08 16:36:20 timmcgeary what a great place to work 2011-02-08 16:36:22 atz ohio reprezent 2011-02-08 16:36:26 timmcgeary I'm assuming 2011-02-08 16:36:27 wtd JodiS: I have been, yeah. He does great stuff with the circ data. We throw ours away, mostly. :( 2011-02-08 16:36:29 danwho escowles++ 2011-02-08 16:36:31 eefcee cleveland++ 2011-02-08 16:36:33 robcaSSon rockhall++ # jealous 2011-02-08 16:36:38 JodiS wtd: cool 2011-02-08 16:36:44 ndushay @ana code4lib 2011-02-08 16:36:44 ndushay I broke zoia! 2011-02-08 16:36:44 ndushay holy cow - i did break zoia 2011-02-08 16:36:44 zoia ndushay: Bold ice 2011-02-08 16:36:44 JodiS JodiS wants a global aggregation of library stats 2011-02-08 16:36:47 davidWalker iii-- 2011-02-08 16:36:50 timmcgeary @ana Rock n Roll Hall of Fame 2011-02-08 16:36:50 zoia timmcgeary: Fell half-normal crook 2011-02-08 16:36:51 JodiS hence the nudging of you, BillDueber, etc. :) 2011-02-08 16:36:51 pberry BUT ALL THOSE LINKS ARE IMPORTANT 2011-02-08 16:36:51 jrochkind yeah, "tailored HathiTrust interface using WorldCat Local." I think that means the worldcat.org platform, but you'll just be searching HT not actually searching WorldCat (or perhaps searching all of WC + HathiTrust, if you so choose). It's not clear to me if it will be aval to all OCLC members, but I believe so. 2011-02-08 16:36:52 sesuncedu iii-- 2011-02-08 16:36:53 akorphan ibahn-- 2011-02-08 16:36:56 sesuncedu wait reflex 2011-02-08 16:37:00 lbjay JodiS: i'm going to work on the irclog timeline. what were you saying about linking it up to the video? 2011-02-08 16:37:08 MrDys hydra rears its ugly heads 2011-02-08 16:37:12 wtd Jodis: We might be starting up some provincial collection here in Ontario. I hope. 2011-02-08 16:37:22 JodiS Esme Cowles is such a beautiful name -- always makes me think of the JD Salinger novel 2011-02-08 16:37:26 JodiS wtd++ 2011-02-08 16:37:30 dchud_ wheedly-wheedly-whee! 2011-02-08 16:37:31 BillDueber The eventual home of the HathiTrust metadata catalog is supposed to be a customized Worldcat Local 2011-02-08 16:37:35 BillDueber "Development continues 2011-02-08 16:37:36 BillDueber " 2011-02-08 16:37:40 dbs F11 for full screen! 2011-02-08 16:37:58 akorphan IM Pei totally copied himself. 2011-02-08 16:38:06 MrDys I sure hope he calls this instance 'Hydrox' 2011-02-08 16:38:14 gsf dbs: no time for that 2011-02-08 16:38:21 eefcee fieldsRus 2011-02-08 16:38:25 dchud_ THE GOGGLES THEY DO NAHTHINK 2011-02-08 16:38:26 pberry lag-- 2011-02-08 16:38:41 gsf lolchud++ 2011-02-08 16:38:41 jrochkind hydrizzle 2011-02-08 16:38:42 akorphan first mover disadvantage: Hydrox is the original creme and chocolate wafer cookie -- Oreo's the imitator! 2011-02-08 16:38:53 scolford_also MrDys++ 2011-02-08 16:39:04 ndushay index in Solr, not blacklight 2011-02-08 16:39:12 BillDueber hydrox++ # my great-grandma always had them around 2011-02-08 16:39:22 sesuncedu Who was that masked man? The Hydranger? 2011-02-08 16:39:33 duspal hydrox++ 2011-02-08 16:39:47 sesuncedu "Exposing The Fedora" 2011-02-08 16:39:58 BillDueber sesuncedu: A masked man with 7 heads? I'd watch that. 2011-02-08 16:40:00 knickum over 18 crowd only 2011-02-08 16:40:01 anna3lc grr internet 2011-02-08 16:40:19 JodiS Bill Dueber: re hathi trust, William Gunn suggests Hadoop: http://twitter.com/mrgunn/status/35089276752498688 2011-02-08 16:40:19 ranti laggy_internet-- 2011-02-08 16:40:20 zoia @atzberger @jschneider Someone should really tell them about Hadoop, sounds like. #c4l11 2011-02-08 16:40:20 flyingzumwalt "naughty little doggy" 2011-02-08 16:40:55 ndushay speak, and ye feed can freeze up 2011-02-08 16:41:03 sibylschaefer I miss the gong 2011-02-08 16:41:07 gsf lightning_talks++ 2011-02-08 16:41:18 dbs @tweet I couldn't find anything about Hadoop in my 12 shards of Solr 2011-02-08 16:41:19 zoia dbs: The operation succeeded. 2011-02-08 16:41:22 robcaSSon gong++ 2011-02-08 16:41:22 akorphan PWANNNNNNGG 2011-02-08 16:41:26 JodiS dbs++ 2011-02-08 16:41:28 sesuncedu bdhl++ 2011-02-08 16:41:44 pmurray Haven't needed the gong yet... 2011-02-08 16:41:46 JodiS Just realized one of the things I love about the conference: getting to hear the voices of people I normally just type to 2011-02-08 16:41:47 anna3lc lag-- 2011-02-08 16:42:10 BigD1 high rez version of the bottles from last night http://dl.dropbox.com/u/6923768/Photo%20Feb%2008%2C%204%2041%2002%20PM.jpg 2011-02-08 16:42:14 akorphan ibahn-- 2011-02-08 16:42:17 BillDueber JodiS: I don't see where hadoop will be a win. The bottleneck is indexing in solr. 2011-02-08 16:42:30 zoia dammit, sharrow sucks 2011-02-08 16:42:38 robcaSSon BigD-- 2011-02-08 16:42:38 pyott never thought I'd hear an iggy pop reference at code4lib! 2011-02-08 16:42:40 BillDueber BigD1 just broke the internet. 2011-02-08 16:42:48 sesuncedu SOLR indexing is not maxed 2011-02-08 16:42:51 dbs This project sounds pretty awesome (I think I voted for it for a code4lib full session at some point, because it sounded awesome) 2011-02-08 16:42:58 zoia I've got a coke in my pocket *and* I'm happy to see you. 2011-02-08 16:43:14 jaf ok, who's downloading the hathi trust? 2011-02-08 16:43:15 BigD1 it's not THAT hi rez 2011-02-08 16:43:20 ndushay i can't pay attention w/o slides 2011-02-08 16:43:28 sesuncedu Don't worry. Be hathi. 2011-02-08 16:43:31 ndushay oh wait - i can't pay attention, period. 2011-02-08 16:43:38 akorphan sesuncedu-- 2011-02-08 16:43:43 pberry ... 2011-02-08 16:43:47 BigD sesuncedu++ 2011-02-08 16:43:48 mbklein @quote get 1772 2011-02-08 16:43:49 zoia mbklein: Quote #1772: " Open data == science. If your data isn't open then you are an alchemist." (added by mbklein at 04:33 PM, February 27, 2009) 2011-02-08 16:43:49 JodiS linked data != open data 2011-02-08 16:43:55 danwho Rustle of paper. I miss that. 2011-02-08 16:43:58 JodiS LOD = open data + more 2011-02-08 16:44:07 JodiS danwho: yeah, gives a talk a certain seriousness ) 2011-02-08 16:44:08 JodiS :) 2011-02-08 16:44:08 mbklein danwho: There's an app for that. 2011-02-08 16:44:08 pjb2 alchemy++ 2011-02-08 16:44:09 sesuncedu Linked data can be closed. 2011-02-08 16:44:09 ranti JodiS: coming to Seattle for #c4l12? 2011-02-08 16:44:12 akorphan JodiS: LOD = "lots of open data"? 2011-02-08 16:44:13 ndushay dang - did Bill and JRoch already speak? 2011-02-08 16:44:16 BigD danwho: trish wears paper clothes? 2011-02-08 16:44:17 JodiS ranti: sure hope so 2011-02-08 16:44:19 BillDueber mbklein: You have the quote number memorized?? 2011-02-08 16:44:22 JodiS ndushay, yeah, sorry 2011-02-08 16:44:35 mbklein BillDueber: I call up a few of the gems regularly. 2011-02-08 16:44:39 BillDueber ndushay: And we were *awesome*. People cried. 2011-02-08 16:44:39 JodiS ndushay: keeping track of the order at http://wiki.code4lib.org/index.php/2011_Lightning_Talks_Signup 2011-02-08 16:44:48 dchud so cool, there are several people watching in japan right now 2011-02-08 16:44:52 danwho JodiS: It perked me up 2011-02-08 16:44:58 mjg_ akorphan: linked open data 2011-02-08 16:45:08 ndushay i think it changed since i last refreshed 2011-02-08 16:45:12 bmljenny BHL++ 2011-02-08 16:45:13 mbklein BillDueber: Also, I use << /msg zoia quote search #code4lib >> for out of band searching 2011-02-08 16:45:14 ndushay i was caught in a f2f conversation 2011-02-08 16:45:14 escowles akorphan: linked open data, iirc 2011-02-08 16:45:17 JodiS sounds nice! BHL++ 2011-02-08 16:45:18 scolford_also Okay, who brought a spare wap? 2011-02-08 16:45:18 BigD dchud: how do you know? 2011-02-08 16:45:19 jeff @bandname add So Much Badness 2011-02-08 16:45:19 MrDys soap...haven't heard that in awhile 2011-02-08 16:45:20 zoia jeff: Add an Asian vibe without the learning curve! 2011-02-08 16:45:20 BillDueber soap-- , but it's better than nothing. 2011-02-08 16:45:24 jeff bah 2011-02-08 16:45:25 dbs BHL++ 2011-02-08 16:45:27 danwho BigD: Times are tough 2011-02-08 16:45:41 atz nothing--, soap-- # both suck 2011-02-08 16:45:53 BigD i'm not sitting next to the soap-- ppl 2011-02-08 16:45:54 pmurray SOAP, it is better than III's API. 2011-02-08 16:46:04 danwho I sense a bong 2011-02-08 16:46:10 MrDys soap!....don't bring me doooooooowwwwwn 2011-02-08 16:46:14 jeff @band add So Much Badness 2011-02-08 16:46:14 zoia jeff: Band 'So Much Badness' added to list 2011-02-08 16:46:23 sesuncedu ITIS DB is cool too 2011-02-08 16:46:26 danwho Gong heh 2011-02-08 16:46:31 JodiS I dig the connections they're making between things 2011-02-08 16:46:34 jaf netlag-- 2011-02-08 16:46:36 ndushay let the data go free! 2011-02-08 16:46:37 BillDueber YEAH! Proper licencing++ 2011-02-08 16:46:40 jrochkind properly license? shocking! 2011-02-08 16:46:43 BillDueber CC0++ 2011-02-08 16:46:47 atz straight 2011-02-08 16:46:52 highermath_aw self-immolation, it's better than III's API 2011-02-08 16:46:57 highermath_aw III-- 2011-02-08 16:46:59 atz CreativeCommons++ 2011-02-08 16:47:10 pmurray openoffice++ 2011-02-08 16:47:13 sesuncedu iii-- has an api? 2011-02-08 16:47:20 sesuncedu what next - a UI? 2011-02-08 16:47:20 jtgorman @quote random 2011-02-08 16:47:21 zoia jtgorman: Quote #32: " you know you're in trouble when you keep getting referred to w3c specification documents" (added by ksclarke at 02:24 PM, October 27, 2005) 2011-02-08 16:47:37 highermath sesuncedu: you got $$$, they have an API 2011-02-08 16:47:46 ndushay let the internet have more bandwidth! 2011-02-08 16:48:11 timmcgeary diet_library++ 2011-02-08 16:48:14 jrochkind anyone catch that url? 2011-02-08 16:48:21 maruyama3 nabeta ++ 2011-02-08 16:48:23 sesuncedu sesuncedu referred someone not just to a w3c document, but to the Hayes (2004) 2011-02-08 16:48:31 highermath In California, all libraries are diet libraries 2011-02-08 16:48:31 timmcgeary @ana National Diet Library 2011-02-08 16:48:32 zoia timmcgeary: Reliability and on rat 2011-02-08 16:48:37 gsf jrochkind: http://something 2011-02-08 16:48:42 maruyama3 nabeta ++ 2011-02-08 16:48:46 was jrochkind: http://iss.ndl.go.jp/?locale=en 2011-02-08 16:48:51 jrochkind was++ 2011-02-08 16:48:53 gsf was++ 2011-02-08 16:48:53 sesuncedu sesuncedu RDF semantics spec 2011-02-08 16:49:05 timmcgeary nabeta++ 2011-02-08 16:49:14 milkya nabeta++ 2011-02-08 16:49:29 anarchivist1 @twit --from rosy1280 2011-02-08 16:49:30 zoia anarchivist1: rosy1280: @declan is there a cvs nearby, sometimes they have scales near the pharmacy you can use 2011-02-08 16:49:31 sesuncedu In Japan, do they refer to CEK 2011-02-08 16:49:33 BillDueber It's so sad that "implemenets FRBR structure" is almost meaningless 2011-02-08 16:49:38 MrDys I like how it has an auto-translate checkbox based on the interface 2011-02-08 16:49:42 gsf code4lib_japan++ 2011-02-08 16:49:55 robcaSSon code4lib_japan++ # no doubt 2011-02-08 16:49:59 JodiS BillDueber: indeed 2011-02-08 16:50:01 maruyama3 Next-L ++ 2011-02-08 16:50:09 mjg_ code4lib_japan++ 2011-02-08 16:50:10 mtomko hadoop. 2011-02-08 16:50:15 jaf ping 2011-02-08 16:50:18 anna3lc diagram++ 2011-02-08 16:50:21 harvel dataflow++ 2011-02-08 16:50:25 pberry Wow 2011-02-08 16:50:26 jtgorman awesome 2011-02-08 16:50:28 was best. slide. ever. 2011-02-08 16:50:36 BigD it's all greek to me 2011-02-08 16:50:37 dchud_ it does a heck of a lot! 2011-02-08 16:50:37 scolford_also code4lib_japan++ 2011-02-08 16:50:38 highermath some assembly required 2011-02-08 16:50:40 atz nice 2011-02-08 16:50:53 bmljenny SAY IT... all those links are important 2011-02-08 16:50:57 sesuncedu It's like iRODs with working code... 2011-02-08 16:50:58 pberry BigD: That wasn't Greek. 2011-02-08 16:51:01 timmcgeary network-- 2011-02-08 16:51:04 highermath highermath now craves sushi 2011-02-08 16:51:05 gsf hope i can borrow that slide for my talk 2011-02-08 16:51:06 pberry Just sayin 2011-02-08 16:51:07 BigD that'd be a great slide for powerpoint karioke 2011-02-08 16:51:13 dbs http://iss.ndl.go.jp/?locale=en 2011-02-08 16:51:21 dchud_ if he didn't say it, NDL is the National Diet Library - the equiv. of LC in US. 2011-02-08 16:51:24 escowles ui looks good even when i can't read half the text 2011-02-08 16:51:27 atz http://www.next-l.jp/ # japanese 2011-02-08 16:51:30 anna3lc BigD++ agree 2011-02-08 16:51:35 anarchivist Next-L++ 2011-02-08 16:51:36 akorphan the main screen is super dark 2011-02-08 16:51:37 maruyama3 dragonBall ++ 2011-02-08 16:51:42 akorphan MAIN SCREEN TURN ON! 2011-02-08 16:51:47 anarchivist c4ljp++ 2011-02-08 16:51:48 sesuncedu KA 2011-02-08 16:51:49 sesuncedu ME 2011-02-08 16:51:52 sesuncedu HA 2011-02-08 16:51:54 sesuncedu ME 2011-02-08 16:51:58 sesuncedu HAHHHHHHH 2011-02-08 16:52:00 helrond dchud yeah, had to dig back into highschool government class for that one 2011-02-08 16:52:11 maruyama3 nabeta ++ NFL search++ 2011-02-08 16:52:16 anna3lc awesome 2011-02-08 16:52:28 dbs nabeta++ 2011-02-08 16:52:31 gsf hi! 2011-02-08 16:52:31 pjb2 friendliest ppt ever 2011-02-08 16:52:38 davidWalker hi! 2011-02-08 16:52:43 atz bshum++ 2011-02-08 16:52:43 jrochkind code4lib-geeks in the house! 2011-02-08 16:52:44 maruyama3 Hayashi ++ 2011-02-08 16:52:51 anna3lc love this. "i would like to discuss with code4lib-geeks about making discovery layer" 2011-02-08 16:52:53 jrochkind again, is that an enterprise bus? 2011-02-08 16:52:54 charper nabeta++ 2011-02-08 16:52:59 anarchivist tzhaya++ 2011-02-08 16:53:00 JodiS Code4LibJapan++ 2011-02-08 16:53:06 robcaSSon @damlev enterprise weed 2011-02-08 16:53:06 zoia robcaSSon: The Damerau-Levenshtein distance between "enterprise" and "weed" is 9. 2011-02-08 16:53:07 charper tzhaya++ 2011-02-08 16:53:10 escowles @karma escowles 2011-02-08 16:53:10 zoia escowles: Karma for "escowles" has been increased 4 times and decreased 0 times for a total karma of 4. 2011-02-08 16:53:14 dbs dbs lols 2011-02-08 16:53:17 mbklein @most decreased 2011-02-08 16:53:17 zoia zoia mbklein: "iii": 134, "zoia": 71, "mbklein": 49, "edsu": 48, "lbjay": 43, "central_IT": 31, "robcaSSon": 30, "fedora": 25, "anarchivist": 25, "php": 19, "rsinger": 19, "solaris": 18, "mjgiarlo": 18, "dbs": 14, "java": 13, "BillDueber": 13, "windows": 12, "sakai": 11, "IE": 11, "snow": 10, "ibahn": 9, "kirtas": 9, "CONTENTdm": 9, "confluence": 9, and "perl": 9 2011-02-08 16:53:20 sibylschaefer Affrit++ 2011-02-08 16:53:21 jrochkind davidWalker: just got a xerxes shoutout from japan 2011-02-08 16:53:21 akorphan Hold on, it took me 10 hours to get here from NC.... 2011-02-08 16:53:23 maruyama3 tzhaya++ 2011-02-08 16:53:24 robcaSSon xerxes shoutout 2011-02-08 16:53:25 gsf gsf appreciates the reading off the slides 2011-02-08 16:53:28 freqlurker xeres++ 2011-02-08 16:53:28 anna3lc affrit++ 2011-02-08 16:53:29 jdwyn xerxes++ 2011-02-08 16:53:29 sesuncedu @translationparty I would like to discuss with code44lib-geeks about making discovery layer 2011-02-08 16:53:31 akorphan not counting the shuttle. Or waiting for the shuttle. 2011-02-08 16:53:32 mbklein mbklein is the most decreased human. Nice. 2011-02-08 16:53:32 davidWalker jrochkind: yeah, cool 2011-02-08 16:53:33 freqlurker xerxes++ 2011-02-08 16:53:34 MrDys xerxes represent 2011-02-08 16:53:36 robcaSSon davidWalker++ jrochkind++ 2011-02-08 16:53:43 jdwyn davidwalker++ 2011-02-08 16:53:43 zoia sesuncedu: I want to discuss geek - I have found to create a layer code44lib 2011-02-08 16:53:51 pmurray Feeling the love davidWalker? 2011-02-08 16:53:52 robcaSSon mbklein-- 2011-02-08 16:53:56 mbklein @most increased 2011-02-08 16:53:56 zoia zoia mbklein: "mbklein": 467, "edsu": 431, "anarchivist": 395, "zoia": 344, "mjgiarlo": 313, "MrDys": 296, "rsinger": 270, "dbs": 266, "BillDueber": 265, "lbjay": 261, "robcaSSon": 214, "jrochkind": 202, "eby": 147, "sesuncedu": 126, "jtgorman": 118, "royt": 117, "ksclarke": 104, "gsf": 104, "BigD": 97, "jbrinley": 96, "jeff": 87, "wickr": 80, "bess": 64, "atz": 60, and "davidWalker": 53 2011-02-08 16:53:59 freqlurker davidwalker++ 2011-02-08 16:54:09 sesuncedu @karma iii 2011-02-08 16:54:10 zoia sesuncedu: Karma for "iii" has been increased 3 times and decreased 134 times for a total karma of -131. 2011-02-08 16:54:11 BillDueber Boy, giving a lightening talk does wonders for the karma 2011-02-08 16:54:24 BillDueber Who the hell increased iii' s karma??? 2011-02-08 16:54:27 sesuncedu lightening talk about National Diet Library 2011-02-08 16:54:36 jrochkind what would metalib do with ncip? 2011-02-08 16:54:37 MrDys it was surely ironic 2011-02-08 16:54:43 lbjay davidWalker: you are small in japan 2011-02-08 16:54:45 dchud nabeta++ 2011-02-08 16:55:11 jrochkind Which is a geek choice? = Hack or die = 2011-02-08 16:55:12 jdwyn die++ 2011-02-08 16:55:13 scolford hack_or_die++ 2011-02-08 16:55:15 davidWalker lol 2011-02-08 16:55:17 atz MrDys: actually i might have plus-plussed them after serials training. their serials are pretty good 2011-02-08 16:55:20 knickum cake 2011-02-08 16:55:20 pberry Nice 2011-02-08 16:55:22 knickum i mean hack 2011-02-08 16:55:24 mbklein BillDueber: Achievement Unlocked: TALKED TO REFERENCE LIBRARIAN 2011-02-08 16:55:26 JodiS Which is the geek choice: hack or die? 2011-02-08 16:55:32 gluejar hack_or_die++ 2011-02-08 16:55:32 sesuncedu you said hack first 2011-02-08 16:55:33 BillDueber mbklein++ 2011-02-08 16:55:36 gsf @choose hack or die 2011-02-08 16:55:37 zoia gsf: NOT THE BEES NOT THE BEES 2011-02-08 16:55:42 duspal lego++ 2011-02-08 16:55:42 mbklein scott_pilgrim++ 2011-02-08 16:55:45 dbs @decide hack or hack 2011-02-08 16:55:45 zoia dbs: That's a tough one... 2011-02-08 16:55:49 akorphan Dude, I want that lego cat! 2011-02-08 16:55:56 chelociraptor he needs legohead! 2011-02-08 16:55:59 sesuncedu @decide decide or deicide 2011-02-08 16:56:00 zoia sesuncedu: go with decide 2011-02-08 16:56:06 dchud that must've been his lego scene 2011-02-08 16:56:07 WoodWork clones ^^ 2011-02-08 16:56:12 knickum we're gonna need more hack in here, no one's taking die 2011-02-08 16:56:12 jaf disembodied lego head? 2011-02-08 16:56:13 milkya hayasi++ LEGO++ 2011-02-08 16:56:18 JodiS ranti!! 2011-02-08 16:56:26 jrochkind decasm: ping? 2011-02-08 16:56:34 gsf knickum++ 2011-02-08 16:56:35 pberry pberry hides 2011-02-08 16:56:36 anna3lc floating-head++ 2011-02-08 16:56:42 WoodWork +Q the chan? :P 2011-02-08 16:56:55 JodiS @quote add Which is the geek choice: hack or die? 2011-02-08 16:56:56 zoia JodiS: The operation succeeded. Quote #2515 added. 2011-02-08 16:56:58 jtgorman i just wish we had one ... 2011-02-08 16:57:31 JodiS awesome to have summaries here. ranti++ 2011-02-08 16:57:31 BigD hack AND die 2011-02-08 16:57:32 pberry Tension! 2011-02-08 16:57:33 sesuncedu webcams in dorms 2011-02-08 16:57:37 atz chelociraptor: dead rising style lego head 2011-02-08 16:57:39 knickum hack, then die 2011-02-08 16:57:41 gsf BigD: lol 2011-02-08 16:57:50 duspal atz++ 2011-02-08 16:57:52 chelociraptor atz++ 2011-02-08 16:57:57 mjg_ hack XOR die, really 2011-02-08 16:58:03 duspal dead_rising++ 2011-02-08 16:58:03 mbklein mjg_++ 2011-02-08 16:58:19 eby @quote random 2011-02-08 16:58:19 zoia eby: Quote #1842: " it's funny how the very technical and the very nontechnical meet around web forums; like how extremely progressive people and libertarians overlap" (added by royt at 03:08 PM, April 09, 2009) 2011-02-08 16:58:21 scolford_also mjg_: good point 2011-02-08 16:58:28 knickum mjg++ 2011-02-08 16:58:32 WoodWork @help 2011-02-08 16:58:32 zoia WoodWork: (help [] []) -- This command gives a useful description of what does. is only necessary if the command is in more than one plugin. 2011-02-08 16:58:40 JodiS tried to catalog the order: http://wiki.code4lib.org/index.php/2011_Lightning_Talks_Signup still not sure if Adam of R&R hall of fame was really between Esme (UCSD mobile) and Tom (Hathi) 2011-02-08 16:58:41 BigD haxx0r 2011-02-08 16:58:48 scolford_also @decide suDOO or suDOH 2011-02-08 16:58:49 zoia scolford_also: go with suDOH 2011-02-08 16:58:51 dchud tzhaya++ 2011-02-08 16:58:57 mbklein True story: Former employer decided to use plone and zope because it rhymed with "smokin' dope" 2011-02-08 16:59:09 jtgorman JodiS++ 2011-02-08 16:59:09 robcaSSon robcaSSon got fired 2011-02-08 16:59:16 eby @blame robcaSSon 2011-02-08 16:59:16 zoia eby: robcaSSon ate a communiss. 2011-02-08 16:59:17 escowles suDOH++ 2011-02-08 16:59:17 mbklein robcaSSon++ 2011-02-08 16:59:23 anarchivist robcaSSon++ 2011-02-08 16:59:25 pberry Left every day at 4:20 2011-02-08 16:59:27 anarchivist @ana ride the weedbus 2011-02-08 16:59:28 zoia anarchivist: The wise, rude bed 2011-02-08 16:59:33 anna3lc former_employer++ 2011-02-08 16:59:39 mbklein robcaSSon: Would have been fine until you started going on about data NORMLization 2011-02-08 16:59:39 mjg_ kuali weedbus 2011-02-08 16:59:41 highermath How much can you get for usability research from administrators? 2011-02-08 16:59:49 robcaSSon mbklein++ # groan 2011-02-08 16:59:53 sesuncedu bloody difficult proxy 2011-02-08 16:59:54 scolford @quote add True story: Former employer decided to use plone and zope because it rhymed with "smokin' dope" 2011-02-08 16:59:54 zoia scolford: The operation succeeded. Quote #2516 added. 2011-02-08 17:00:04 chelociraptor mjg_++ 2011-02-08 17:00:10 BillDueber proxy-proxy++ 2011-02-08 17:00:27 BigD we use drupal because it sounds like, um... i got nuthin 2011-02-08 17:00:33 robcaSSon BigD: RuPaul 2011-02-08 17:00:33 pberry Actionable > objectionable 2011-02-08 17:00:35 robcaSSon duh 2011-02-08 17:00:38 mbklein SLEE-Z-Proxy: Remote proxy auth for adult web sites 2011-02-08 17:00:39 sesuncedu Actionable means can be sued 2011-02-08 17:00:46 anarchivist Eazy Prox-E 2011-02-08 17:00:47 duspal BigD: ruples? 2011-02-08 17:00:47 scolford BigD: I got one, but it's not very nice. 2011-02-08 17:01:00 mbklein BigD: Scruples? 2011-02-08 17:01:01 highermath robcaSSon: that has been brought up before 2011-02-08 17:01:02 mjg_ scruple? 2011-02-08 17:01:12 mbklein mjg_: BURN 2011-02-08 17:01:13 eby @who hates marc 2011-02-08 17:01:14 sciversedev anyone familiar with or interested in opensocial, open apis rest apis? there is a challenge using these web2.0 technologies for elsevier's sciverse platform. 2011-02-08 17:01:14 zoia skome hates marc. 2011-02-08 17:01:35 robcaSSon @who hates Mark 2011-02-08 17:01:35 zoia mhagedon hates Mark. 2011-02-08 17:01:36 skome Zoia stop putting words in my mouth 2011-02-08 17:01:37 zoia skome: sounds like you lack privileges, buddy. too bad I'm on my lunch break. 2011-02-08 17:01:39 mbklein mbklein is waiting for the data center sleepover party 2011-02-08 17:01:48 eby @who loves weed 2011-02-08 17:01:49 zoia robcaSSon loves weed. 2011-02-08 17:01:52 eby damn right 2011-02-08 17:01:54 mjg_ mjg_ snorts 2011-02-08 17:01:56 lbjay i'm so there 2011-02-08 17:01:57 zoia zoia sobs 2011-02-08 17:02:00 robcaSSon robcaSSon snorts 2011-02-08 17:02:02 akorphan Does this reception have food? 2011-02-08 17:02:04 robcaSSon goddammit 2011-02-08 17:02:08 mjg_ is the data center tour tonight or tomorrow? 2011-02-08 17:02:09 eby food and booze i think 2011-02-08 17:02:12 lbjay and art 2011-02-08 17:02:12 younga skome: are you in IN? 2011-02-08 17:02:13 dbs sciversedev: i haz some familiarity and interest in the opensocial side of things, not so much in the sciverse bit though 2011-02-08 17:02:18 jtgorman akorphan: I hope so, cause I know it has good beer 2011-02-08 17:02:19 anna3lc not streaming the reception 2011-02-08 17:02:19 mbklein @who is robcaSSon's supplier? 2011-02-08 17:02:19 zoia maruyama3 is robcaSSon's supplier. 2011-02-08 17:02:20 eefcee live_stream++ 2011-02-08 17:02:21 JodiS yeah streaming! :) 2011-02-08 17:02:21 pberry Later streamers 2011-02-08 17:02:21 tokeee mjg: Tomorrow 2011-02-08 17:02:28 mjg_ tokeee: thx 2011-02-08 17:02:29 dbs live_stream++ 2011-02-08 17:02:30 lbjay day_one++ 2011-02-08 17:02:30 JodiS anna3lc: that would just be cruel 2011-02-08 17:02:31 zoia JodiS: turn it up! 2011-02-08 17:02:35 sesuncedu mbklein: the technion had a sofabed in the machine room. With lots of blankets cos it was bloody cold. 2011-02-08 17:02:39 pberry Nap time! 2011-02-08 17:02:40 mjg_ a day of babyheads and toys 2011-02-08 17:02:43 akorphan jtgorman: beer, you say. 2011-02-08 17:02:45 skome younga: Nope, missing it all :( I'll make it to c4l 2012 for sure 2011-02-08 17:02:53 mbklein mjg_: Will there be babyheads at the reception? 2011-02-08 17:02:57 younga skome: sweet! 2011-02-08 17:02:58 mbklein network_guys++ 2011-02-08 17:03:00 eefcee live_stream++ # see you tomorrow! 2011-02-08 17:03:07 scolford @who loves babyhead 2011-02-08 17:03:08 zoia jaron1 loves babyhead. 2011-02-08 17:03:09 sesuncedu jodis: BTW, will you be at ISKO UK this year 2011-02-08 17:03:16 mbklein @band add Babyhead 2011-02-08 17:03:17 zoia mbklein: Band 'Babyhead' added to list 2011-02-08 17:03:19 mjg_ h-suite is open for folks who want to hang before the reception 2011-02-08 17:03:22 eby @slowclap 2011-02-08 17:03:24 akorphan BABYHEAD 2011-02-08 17:03:25 zoia *clap* 2011-02-08 17:03:26 zoia *clap* 2011-02-08 17:03:27 zoia *clap* 2011-02-08 17:03:28 zoia *clap* 2011-02-08 17:03:39 akorphan All clapping is slow when the network is this laggy. 2011-02-08 17:03:54 WoodWork Slowmo clap! 2011-02-08 17:04:09 jbrinley @danify [ana [quote raw]] 2011-02-08 17:04:09 zoia jbrinley: Wèålthy ḯf pøtènt ånd ånnøysen 2011-02-08 17:04:10 mjg_ anyone want decasm's laptop? 2011-02-08 17:04:18 mjg_ it's currently unattended 2011-02-08 17:04:23 jbrinley mjg_: I'll take it 2011-02-08 17:04:31 mjg_ jbrinley: c'mon over. 2011-02-08 17:04:38 jbrinley jbrinley grabs the car keys 2011-02-08 17:04:39 eby must have presumed it wasn't a mac so no one would want it 2011-02-08 17:04:46 sciversedev the opensocial technology is the interesting bit i fully agree, the sciverse part is just the context. 2011-02-08 17:05:16 jbrinley jbrinley has five computers in his house, none of them macs 2011-02-08 17:05:31 sesuncedu The stream is dead, boys, and it's so lonely on a lib 2011-02-08 17:09:15 zoia I've got a coke in my pocket *and* I'm happy to see you. 2011-02-08 17:09:33 sesuncedu Achtung! Zoialust! 2011-02-08 17:09:34 wtd Ah, session's over. 2011-02-08 17:09:45 mjg_ this year's suite is considerably less hostile than last year's 2011-02-08 17:09:50 mjg_ so far. 2011-02-08 17:09:55 mjg_ &ellipsis; 2011-02-08 17:10:04 wtd Was it hostile last year? 2011-02-08 17:10:07 sesuncedu mjg_: Set the stripper pole up 2011-02-08 17:13:21 mjg_ wtd: only a little. 2011-02-08 17:14:40 dbs wtd: thought for code4libnorth: try and arrange a date in Toronto where we can go out and support nunanishi's roller derby team for an evening event 2011-02-08 17:14:47 mjg_ MOAR BABYHEAD 2011-02-08 17:15:13 dbs wtd: also, why the heck didn't I see you at OLA? (I came down with the flu again, so probably for the best...) 2011-02-08 17:16:01 dbs dbs bails for a few hours 2011-02-08 17:16:10 wtd dbs: Dude! 2011-02-08 17:16:21 dbs head whips around 2011-02-08 17:16:26 wtd dbs: I didn't go. But too bad we didn't get together for a pint. 2011-02-08 17:16:39 dbs wtd: good choice :) 2011-02-08 17:17:05 wtd dbs: On both counts, it sounds? 2011-02-08 17:17:56 dbs I would have liked to have seen you - but given the illness that crept up, yeah. And I wouldn't have gone had it not been for my own presentation and award thingy 2011-02-08 17:19:48 highermath highermath wonders why the Code4Lib-N works grat in his room, but not at all in the auditorium 2011-02-08 17:20:38 zoia Shh! Daft largesse 2011-02-08 17:21:36 sesuncedu Subject Headings that annoy me: Felton, Cora (Fictitious character)--Fiction . http://id.loc.gov/authorities/sh2009124195 2011-02-08 17:23:23 fowbar What are the dinner plans before the beertopia tonight? 2011-02-08 17:23:50 anarchivist fowbar: the word is that there are heavy hors d'oeuvres at the reception 2011-02-08 17:24:32 sesuncedu anarchivist: The preferred term is "fat ho's" 2011-02-08 17:25:00 fowbar heavy horse hoofs 2011-02-08 17:25:12 archivist horses doofers 2011-02-08 17:25:42 zoia find / -name 'jrochkind' -exec chmod 0000 '{}' \; 2011-02-08 17:26:51 decasm_ jrochkind: reception then finches? anyone else? 2011-02-08 17:27:18 jrochkind decasm_: there might be enough food at reception that i'm not interested in dinner after. so i don't want to commit. or go tomorrow instead? 2011-02-08 17:27:22 mjg_ want to make sure to be back at the hotel by 8:30 for the drink-up, so depends on the timing 2011-02-08 17:27:39 jrochkind "heavy hor derves" is the official description. however you spell hor derves. 2011-02-08 17:27:43 anarchivist decasm_: in the same boat as mjg_ 2011-02-08 17:28:05 decasm_ how 'about finches tomorrow? 2011-02-08 17:28:28 decasm_ is there anything else planned for tomorrow evening? 2011-02-08 17:28:40 mjg_ nothing planned for tomorrow, I don't think 2011-02-08 17:28:49 pberry Anyone going out after 8 tonight? 2011-02-08 17:29:06 anarchivist pberry: we're having another craft brew drinkup in the hospitality suite 2011-02-08 17:29:14 pberry Cool 2011-02-08 17:29:21 anarchivist pberry: feel free to join, of course :) 2011-02-08 17:29:37 pberry Still amazed we weren't shut down last night 2011-02-08 17:29:52 mjg_ we'll try again tonight 2011-02-08 17:30:00 mjg_ NO SLEEP 'TIL B'TON 2011-02-08 17:30:03 anarchivist pberry: helrond and i are on one side of the suite, and kayiwa is right across the hall 2011-02-08 17:30:17 pberry If at first you don't get kicked out, turn up the music 2011-02-08 17:31:02 pberry Well, time to wander and take photos. 2011-02-08 17:31:50 fowbar Is the hosp suite a good place to meet for the "long" walk across the street to the reception? 2011-02-08 17:31:53 sesuncedu mjg_: No. Sleep. Til Bookland (978 represent) 2011-02-08 17:32:08 mjg_ fowbar: sure! I bet we'll be here 'til right before 6pm 2011-02-08 17:32:26 fowbar mjg_: coolio! 2011-02-08 17:35:55 MrDys I think it's time for the hospitality suite...I'm too close in proximity to my bed 2011-02-08 17:39:21 anarchivist bookland++ 2011-02-08 17:59:14 benanderson anyone walking over soon? 2011-02-08 18:00:25 dlovins Benanderson: I'm about to head over. Walking toward lobby. 2011-02-08 18:00:43 benanderson I'll be down in a minute 2011-02-08 18:05:47 pkiraly benanderson: Hi Ben! 2011-02-08 18:05:59 pkiraly benanderson: good luck for tomorrow! 2011-02-08 19:16:01 edsu gluejar++ http://go-to-hellman.blogspot.com/2011/02/toys-and-tools-vs-enterprise-at.html 2011-02-08 19:20:42 dbs virus_vectors-- # aka children 2011-02-08 19:50:58 zoia Is that... J from Dinosaur Jr? 2011-02-08 19:54:51 davidWalker dbs: worse than rats and mosquitoes combined 2011-02-08 20:26:11 wtd_ Nice blog post from gluejar. 2011-02-08 20:26:16 wtd_ @karma gluejar 2011-02-08 20:26:17 zoia wtd_: Karma for "gluejar" has been increased 6 times and decreased 0 times for a total karma of 6. 2011-02-08 20:26:21 wtd_ gluejar++ 2011-02-08 20:30:14 wtd_ Anyone know if someone's collecting PDFs and slides and such at the conference, for putting on the web site? 2011-02-08 20:31:41 wtd_ wtd_ loads up the archived video. 410 minutes! 2011-02-08 20:31:47 2011-02-08 20:31:49 2011-02-08 20:31:57 2011-02-08 20:32:08 2011-02-08 20:52:29 kshepherd snail: nice pic ;) i would have looked similar, except i would have been in a tent or outside a marquee instead of a house 2011-02-08 20:53:26 sekjal koha hackfestry in 401. beverages included 2011-02-08 21:03:49 highermath_aw wtd: good question 2011-02-08 21:06:07 wtd_ I can add in links and stuff, since I'm not there and hence have no outrageous beer-fuelled coding sessions to attend. 2011-02-08 21:07:27 zoia Shh! Daft largesse 2011-02-08 21:08:29 MrDys or beer-fuelled slide making sessions 2011-02-08 21:10:37 wtd_ Or slide-fuelled beer-tasting sessions. 2011-02-08 21:17:34 atz beer time yet? 2011-02-08 21:19:01 atz anyvhonee hooome? 2011-02-08 21:19:16 sekjal atz: there may be beer still in 116/7 2011-02-08 21:19:24 wtd_ @karma beer 2011-02-08 21:19:25 zoia wtd_: Karma for "beer" has been increased 14 times and decreased 1 time for a total karma of 13. 2011-02-08 21:19:35 atz i brought my own, so should be good. see you in a sec. 2011-02-08 21:19:52 sekjal I got a growler at Lenny's for the koha hackfest, in addition to some soda 2011-02-08 21:20:40 wtd_ A growler? 2011-02-08 21:22:08 royt wtd_: Big bottle of beer 2011-02-08 21:22:14 edsu anyone running a modern browser want to try something for me? 2011-02-08 21:22:15 kshepherd heh 2011-02-08 21:22:20 kshepherd that's not what a growler means down here ;) 2011-02-08 21:22:36 royt wtd: 1/2 gallon 2011-02-08 21:22:42 wtd_ Cripes! 2011-02-08 21:22:56 royt http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beer_bottle#Growler 2011-02-08 21:23:23 royt enough beer to get BigD started, but not much more 2011-02-08 21:23:44 edsu http://inkdroid.org/subjects-here 2011-02-08 21:23:56 wtd_ Huh, that's 1.89 liters ... explains why the soy milk I bought yesterday is 1.89 l. 2011-02-08 21:24:26 wtd_ Two quarts. Same volume, different label for metric countries. 2011-02-08 21:24:36 royt wtd_; why don't you Canadians get a real measurement system ;-) 2011-02-08 21:24:57 royt we like being the only ones in the world stupid enough to not be metric :-) 2011-02-08 21:25:03 edsu wtd: are you in canada right now? 2011-02-08 21:25:04 wtd_ Try walking a chain plus a rod in our shoes to see what it's like, royt. 2011-02-08 21:25:18 royt wtd++ # LOL 2011-02-08 21:25:21 wtd_ edsu: Yeah, I'm at home. 2011-02-08 21:25:32 edsu wtd: can you try loading http://inkdroid.org/subjects-here in your browser? 2011-02-08 21:25:45 wtd_ Checking ... 2011-02-08 21:26:03 wtd_ ! 2011-02-08 21:26:13 edsu did it work? 2011-02-08 21:26:22 wtd_ It did. Cool! 2011-02-08 21:26:33 edsu great thing is it's just that html page 2011-02-08 21:26:39 wtd_ Lots of Toronto-related aboutnesses. 2011-02-08 21:26:55 edsu royt: you in california? 2011-02-08 21:27:08 wtd_ Is that something librarywebchic talked about earlier? 2011-02-08 21:27:18 wtd_ That's cool. 2011-02-08 21:27:32 edsu wtd_: yeah, http://www.oclc.org/developer/sites/default/files/handouts/Experimental%20MapFAST%20Web%20Service.pdf 2011-02-08 21:28:21 edsu oclc++ # they send back Access-Control-Allow-Origin: ; so your javascript can load their web service cross domain 2011-02-08 21:28:26 wtd_ I'm just starting to watch her talk now, was just waiting for the intro stuff to roll by. 2011-02-08 21:28:51 edsu wtd: cool 2011-02-08 21:29:21 edsu edsu wonders what the person from NZ got :-) 2011-02-08 21:29:47 MrDys edsu: works for me 2011-02-08 21:30:06 MrDys edsu++ #for using modernizr 2011-02-08 21:31:04 royt OH SWEET 2011-02-08 21:31:06 royt edsu++ 2011-02-08 21:31:15 royt really nailed it 2011-02-08 21:32:02 royt I didn't realize that Firefox would send your location 2011-02-08 21:32:09 royt with permission 2011-02-08 21:33:09 MrDys royt: yep, that was a 3.0 feature 2011-02-08 21:33:12 royt uh, duh, http://www.mozilla.com/en-US/firefox/geolocation/ 2011-02-08 21:33:16 wtd_ Though, thinking of using that on a smartphone, somehow the dynamic, instant nature of location-aware mobile services kind of clash against the stodgy, glacial pace of LCSH development. 2011-02-08 21:33:46 royt wtd_: heh, well put 2011-02-08 21:34:11 wtd_ Look, I'm in a washroom and it's saying "Aboutness: Water closets." 2011-02-08 21:34:40 MrDys sweet. my talk times out to be 20 minutes. 2011-02-08 21:35:31 royt wdt_: It should be saying: "Aboutness: Wash Your Hands" 2011-02-08 21:43:01 wtd_ Hmm ... I just sent email saying how good the archived video is, and then the stream froze on me. 2011-02-08 21:46:40 jbrinley wtd_-- # you broke it! 2011-02-08 21:49:02 edsu wtd, royt, MrDys: added links to worldcat now 2011-02-08 21:49:16 royt sweet! 2011-02-08 21:49:20 royt edsu++ 2011-02-08 21:49:33 MrDys edsu: stopped working for me 2011-02-08 21:49:41 edsu MrDys: oh really? 2011-02-08 21:49:49 wtd_ Styling! 2011-02-08 21:49:49 edsu MrDys: reload maybe? 2011-02-08 21:50:09 edsu MrDys: is the page entirely blank? 2011-02-08 21:50:12 MrDys edsu: got nothing but 'Subjects Here' 2011-02-08 21:50:29 edsu weird 2011-02-08 21:50:51 edsu MrDys: what browser? 2011-02-08 21:50:57 stuartlewis It works well down here in NZ - lists all the suburbs that are close by. 2011-02-08 21:50:58 MrDys edsu: ffx 2011-02-08 21:51:09 edsu stuartlewis: neato 2011-02-08 21:52:37 royt working for me 2011-02-08 21:52:47 edsu kinda neat to see it work on iphone 2011-02-08 21:53:09 MrDys edsu: it's working for me in safari and chrome 2011-02-08 21:53:19 MrDys ffx is probably being weird with caching 2011-02-08 21:54:12 edsu MrDys: you sure ffx isn't prompting you to share your location w/ inkdroid.org? 2011-02-08 21:54:32 MrDys edsu: I set it to remember 'yes' 2011-02-08 21:54:55 edsu what version of ffx? 2011-02-08 21:55:03 MrDys I'm sure if I close ffx and open it again, it'll work 2011-02-08 21:55:06 edsu ok 2011-02-08 21:55:11 MrDys 3.6.something 2011-02-08 21:55:15 dbs royt: man, you forgot that one slide in my Access 2010 presentation where I had the code for browser geolocation? 2011-02-08 21:55:19 edsu yeah, that's what i have too 2011-02-08 21:55:26 edsu weird 2011-02-08 21:55:34 dbs royt: that was only, like, 6 months ago - for shame! 2011-02-08 21:56:16 dbs edsu: ffx has some weird race conditions, it has afflicted the evergreen opac from time to time - ye olde "white screen of death" 2011-02-08 21:56:16 zoia here we go again ... 2011-02-08 21:57:53 MrDys edsu: reloaded ffx and it's working again 2011-02-08 21:59:51 edsu MrDys: cool 2011-02-08 22:02:52 MrDys even cooler: I feel sufficiently prepared for my talk tomorrow. time for beer. 2011-02-08 22:05:30 edsu MrDys++ 2011-02-08 22:15:35 royt dbs: yeah, I suck. But we all already knew that. 2011-02-08 22:16:04 royt dbs: besides, I was involved in the back channel, I can't be held responsible for remembering anything the speakers said 2011-02-08 22:16:09 dbs royt: I imagine you've seen a few tens of thousands of slides since then :) 2011-02-08 22:16:29 royt dbs: no, that's how many I've MADE ;-) 2011-02-08 22:16:41 royt not really, but it sounds good 2011-02-08 22:17:47 dbs "Roy Tennant, Slide Craftsman!" 2011-02-08 22:28:04 royt "Roy Tennant, Sliding Into Drunkenness!" 2011-02-08 22:30:25 lbjay @seen spaldo 2011-02-08 22:30:26 zoia lbjay: spaldo was last seen in #code4lib 6 hours, 4 minutes, and 20 seconds ago: kicked off again! 2011-02-08 22:30:46 lbjay @later tell spaldo [sing harry chapin : cats in the cradle : 0] 2011-02-08 22:30:48 zoia The operation succeeded. 2011-02-08 22:40:04 lbjay royt++ 2011-02-08 22:48:39 cazzerson it's kinda cold out there 2011-02-08 22:50:08 edsu royt: worldcat doesn't have a mobile interface does it? 2011-02-08 22:52:36 lbjay @seen nabeta 2011-02-08 22:52:36 zoia lbjay: nabeta was last seen in #code4lib 1 day, 12 hours, and 27 seconds ago: ありがとうございます :-) I enjoy this session 2011-02-08 22:53:10 jeff ah, there's the stream url 2011-02-08 23:01:52 jeff hrm. any chance to download the archived stream? 2011-02-08 23:10:06 royt edsu: of course it does: http://m.worldcat.org/ 2011-02-08 23:17:47 anarchivist @ana craft brew drinkup 2011-02-08 23:17:47 zoia anarchivist: Twerp if drunk crab 2011-02-08 23:23:14 lbjay craft_brew_drinkup++ 2011-02-08 23:23:22 lbjay @quote random 2011-02-08 23:23:41 lbjay oh, zoia got netsplit 2011-02-08 23:26:11 lbjay @quote random 2011-02-08 23:26:12 zoia lbjay: Quote #2425: "< edsu> royt: i have a business card that says my name is Chris Loser, and that I work as a manager at Starbucks in Crystal Lake, IL." (added by anarchivist at 11:51 AM, October 08, 2010) 2011-02-08 23:29:12 lbjay @who keeps farting in the hospitality suite? 2011-02-08 23:29:13 zoia morgan8 keeps farting in the hospitality suite. 2011-02-08 23:33:22 wtd_ According to http://www.manta.com/c/mmfm6px/starbucks, Chris Loser co-manages with James Brown. Cool. 2011-02-09 00:04:43 edsu wtd_: :-) 2011-02-09 00:04:55 edsu wtd_: wow, he's still there 2011-02-09 00:05:18 edsu wish i got the james brown card instead :-) 2011-02-09 00:05:56 edsu wtd_: i put that html5 mapFAST code up on github: https://github.com/edsu/subjects-here 2011-02-09 00:06:19 edsu wtd_: there isn't any server side piece, so it seems a bit excessive 2011-02-09 00:06:42 wtd_ edsu: Cool beans. That's a nice hack. 2011-02-09 00:07:08 edsu do you have smart phone? 2011-02-09 00:07:15 wtd_ I didn't know about the geolocated subject headings. It makes perfect sense, of course. 2011-02-09 00:07:24 wtd_ Yeah, I do. Hang on, I'll try in it. 2011-02-09 00:07:39 edsu compare the view in your smartphone to the webpage 2011-02-09 00:07:52 edsu i guess it'll depend on what smartphone you have 2011-02-09 00:08:36 edsu s/webpage/workstation/ 2011-02-09 00:08:37 wtd_ Same results in my phone. 2011-02-09 00:08:58 edsu do you see the text around the list on your phone? 2011-02-09 00:10:31 wtd_ No, just the list. 2011-02-09 00:10:42 edsu oh good 2011-02-09 00:10:43 wtd_ But now in Firefox I only see your explanation, and no subject headings. 2011-02-09 00:10:58 edsu yeah, i imagine that's some ffx cache problem that MrDys saw 2011-02-09 00:11:04 edsu if you restart ffx does it look ok? 2011-02-09 00:12:44 edsu sorry to harrass you into restarting your browser :-} 2011-02-09 00:12:49 edsu i should get some rest i guess 2011-02-09 00:13:33 wtd_ Hmm ... no. 2011-02-09 00:13:40 wtd_ Still no list. 2011-02-09 00:14:17 wtd_ Ah, but it refreshes in Chrome. 2011-02-09 00:14:22 wtd_ Yeah, must be some bug. 2011-02-09 00:14:36 wtd_ edsu++ # Nice hack 2011-02-09 00:19:46 jeff jeff rips the session1 video archive 2011-02-09 00:19:54 edsu edsu tries in ffx 2011-02-09 00:22:44 jeff yay. rip working. 2011-02-09 00:23:45 edsu wtd_: ahh, working now? i had a stray console.log() in there 2011-02-09 00:24:39 wtd_ edsu: That did it! 2011-02-09 00:24:57 edsu yay 2011-02-09 00:25:20 wtd_ You pulled the Javscript out of the page? 2011-02-09 00:25:26 wtd_ Code bloat! Two pages now! 2011-02-09 00:30:02 ranti edsu: works fine on lappy, but my WinMo 6.5/Opera can't show it. 2011-02-09 00:31:02 edsu hmm yeah, according to http://diveintohtml5.org/geolocation.html opera 10.6+ has geo 2011-02-09 00:31:15 edsu ranti: are you at code4lib this year? 2011-02-09 00:31:27 ranti edsu: yes. 2011-02-09 00:31:42 edsu ranti: fun, how has it been so far? 2011-02-09 00:32:16 ranti edsu: fun. Love seeing familar faces, happy seeing new faces. :-) 2011-02-09 00:33:12 edsu yeah, i wish i could've been there 2011-02-09 00:33:25 ranti edsu: no idea what version my opera mobile is. They don't show it on the Help page. 2011-02-09 00:33:35 edsu i guess i'm living vicariously through irc/livestream ; which is definitely better than nothing 2011-02-09 00:33:44 ranti edsu: :-) 2011-02-09 00:34:35 ranti edsu: ooppss... my opera mobile v.9.7 So, looks like I need to upgrade it. 2011-02-09 00:35:06 edsu wtd_: yeah :-) 2011-02-09 00:35:22 wtd_ ranti: Is anyone collecting PDFs and slides and such for uploading to the site? 2011-02-09 00:36:06 ranti wtd_: I sure hope so. :-) 2011-02-09 00:37:13 ranti wtd_: I mean, I am not aware if anybody is collecting PDFs and slides. But, I think we use a single laptop where everybody is asked to upload their preso there. 2011-02-09 00:40:26 wtd_ Registering for the ALA is complete shit. What a pain. 2011-02-09 00:45:46 edsu i guess people haven't started rolling into the hospitality suite yet 2011-02-09 00:52:09 wtd_ @sing radiohead : let down 2011-02-09 00:52:11 zoia The emptiest of feelings disappointed people / clinging onto bottles and / When it comes its so so disappointing / Let down and hanging around 2011-02-09 00:53:29 jeff okay, "rip stream" take two. 2011-02-09 00:54:15 zoia Shh! Daft largesse 2011-02-09 00:54:34 jeff looks like it'll be about 900M 2011-02-09 00:54:45 gsf @herald get gsf 2011-02-09 00:54:46 zoia gsf: Shh! Daft largesse 2011-02-09 00:55:04 gsf @ana Shh! Daft largesse 2011-02-09 00:55:05 zoia gsf: Flash dasher gets 2011-02-09 00:55:25 edsu gsf: hostility suite? 2011-02-09 00:55:30 gsf @ana Shh! Daft largesse 2011-02-09 00:55:31 zoia gsf: Flash dasher gets 2011-02-09 00:55:46 gsf edsu: just retired to my little room 2011-02-09 00:55:56 gsf @ana Flash dasher gets 2011-02-09 00:55:57 zoia gsf: Shh! Daft largesse 2011-02-09 00:56:10 gsf @herald remove gsf 2011-02-09 00:56:11 zoia gsf: The operation succeeded. 2011-02-09 00:56:28 gsf watching charlie rose talk to bill gates 2011-02-09 01:45:31 zoia Is that... J from Dinosaur Jr? 2011-02-09 02:06:20 MrDys one of these gd conferences I will not have to present mid-week 2011-02-09 03:18:55 anarchivist @quote random 2011-02-09 03:18:55 zoia anarchivist: Quote #1531: " Red Bull does not give me wings. It gives me a pulse." (added by mjgiarlo at 09:50 AM, September 29, 2008) 2011-02-09 03:19:07 anarchivist may be i should go to sleep 2011-02-09 03:25:30 anarchivist @blame shlomo 2011-02-09 03:25:30 zoia anarchivist: If it wasn't for shlomo, anarchivist would have totally gotten it done on time. 2011-02-09 08:02:56 zoia I've got a coke in my pocket *and* I'm happy to see you. 2011-02-09 08:03:38 MrDys @quote random 2011-02-09 08:03:39 zoia MrDys: Quote #912: " Debugging is twice as hard as writing the code in the first place. Therefore, if you write the code as cleverly as possible, you are, by definition, not smart enough to debug it." (added by ksclarke at 08:10 PM, June 27, 2007) 2011-02-09 08:06:59 edsu good quote that 2011-02-09 08:15:10 MrDys edsu: only just now did I realize that your subjects here thing says 10km radius and not rokm radius 2011-02-09 08:17:26 MrDys (I don't know what 'rokm' means) 2011-02-09 08:20:05 ejk @quote random 2011-02-09 08:20:05 zoia ejk: Quote #914: " Step away from the Bartlett's" (added by ksclarke at 08:14 PM, June 27, 2007) 2011-02-09 08:22:30 rsinger @dunno add Give me a bottle of anything, and a glazed doughnut. To go! 2011-02-09 08:22:30 zoia rsinger: The operation succeeded. Dunno #1122 added. 2011-02-09 08:25:39 ejk DLR++ 2011-02-09 08:32:42 akorphan I miss sausage biscuits. 2011-02-09 08:32:52 akorphan Oatmeal's nice though. 2011-02-09 08:35:23 MrDys http://hungoverowls.tumblr.com/ 2011-02-09 08:36:41 lbjay i'm enjoying this oatmeal more than i expected 2011-02-09 08:36:52 akorphan lbjay: agreed 2011-02-09 08:37:13 akorphan I am also impressed with the everythingness of the everything bagels. 2011-02-09 08:37:36 akorphan I think I found some existentialism and some Utah in mine. 2011-02-09 08:37:43 pberry I've lost about 90% of my voice, so I'm not being antisocial...I just can't say anything 2011-02-09 08:38:01 lbjay @ana one with everything bagel 2011-02-09 08:38:01 zoia lbjay: Highbrow, genteel naivety 2011-02-09 08:38:03 pberry Hooray for irc 2011-02-09 08:38:26 akorphan zoia++ 2011-02-09 08:38:42 akorphan What did the Zen buddhist say to the hot dog vendor? 2011-02-09 08:38:57 MrDys everything_bagels_with_sunflower_seeds++ 2011-02-09 08:39:03 lbjay lbjay groans in anticipation 2011-02-09 08:39:10 akorphan "Make me one with everything..." 2011-02-09 08:39:17 lbjay akorphan++ 2011-02-09 08:39:25 akorphan Oh! Oh! I've also got this great koan: 2011-02-09 08:39:26 decasm_ i'm disappointed by the total lack of protein 2011-02-09 08:39:27 pberry Rimshot 2011-02-09 08:39:40 ejk @rimshot 2011-02-09 08:39:41 zoia ejk: type after me: /join #dspace 2011-02-09 08:39:41 pberry decasm_: Bacon would have been nice 2011-02-09 08:39:50 pberry bacon++ 2011-02-09 08:39:50 akorphan bacon++ 2011-02-09 08:40:28 pberry Whoa....funky coffee is funky 2011-02-09 08:40:42 lbjay pberry: not as funky as the stuff in the lobby shop 2011-02-09 08:41:25 pberry I think I'll stick to pikes place 2011-02-09 08:41:37 akorphan pberry: I like a good peaberry coffee 2011-02-09 08:42:01 lbjay lbjay wonders how did gsf just join when he's standing over by the fruit tray 2011-02-09 08:42:40 pberry akorphan: You're just full of jokes this morning ;) 2011-02-09 08:43:11 akorphan pberry: It's a new, beautiful morning! The perfect time for inanity. 2011-02-09 08:43:14 pberry Man, I'm gonna need more cold mess soon... 2011-02-09 08:43:20 pberry Meds 2011-02-09 08:43:46 lbjay bagels and lumpy oatmeal = cold mess 2011-02-09 08:45:32 pberry @google hydra framework 2011-02-09 08:45:33 zoia pberry: HydraFramework: ; Notification - API Documentation: ; The Hydra Framework and its Parts - Hydra - DuraSpace Wiki: ; The Hydra Project - Hydra - DuraSpace Wiki: (2 more messages) 2011-02-09 08:45:57 pberry @more 2011-02-09 08:45:57 zoia pberry: ; Hydra – An Application Framework for the Development of Context ...: ; hydra-framework - Project Hosting on Google Code: ; Hydra Framework and Hydrangea Update: August 2010 | MediaShelf: TAG! 2011-02-09 09:11:25 yitznewton -- 2011-02-09 09:11:35 ryscher
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Really? 2011-02-09 09:11:54 ejk Oh man, blueball.gif! 2011-02-09 09:12:05 ndushay he SAID it was ugly 2011-02-09 09:12:06 gsf this looks good 2011-02-09 09:12:07 lbjay he hasn't looked at many astronomy sites 2011-02-09 09:12:08 scolford ++ 2011-02-09 09:12:13 ecorrado bink_tag++ 2011-02-09 09:12:13 erikhatcher ++ 2011-02-09 09:12:18 yo_bj I just noticed that I'm wearing the same thing as the presenters... hmmm 2011-02-09 09:12:19 pberry I was just going to say geocities++ 2011-02-09 09:12:19 anna3lc this site is awesome 2011-02-09 09:12:20 timmcgeary Will websites ever become retro-cool? 2011-02-09 09:12:21 ejk http://www2.warnerbros.com/spacejam/movie/jam.htm 2011-02-09 09:12:23 paulalbert If it ain't broken, don't fix it.... 2011-02-09 09:12:23 gsf ++ 2011-02-09 09:12:26 cazzerson it could use some flames 2011-02-09 09:12:29 helrond @ana blink tags 2011-02-09 09:12:30 zoia helrond: Blast king 2011-02-09 09:12:32 rsinger plus, i mean -- it hurts to think he was still in high school when this was in vogue 2011-02-09 09:12:42 rsinger rsinger hugs his crows feet. 2011-02-09 09:12:48 bmljenny Yes! Needs a burning torch gif. 2011-02-09 09:13:02 rsinger digging man 2011-02-09 09:13:03 atz http://bestanimations.com/nature/fire/Flames/Flame-01-june.gif 2011-02-09 09:13:10 scolford atz++ 2011-02-09 09:13:12 jtgorman how about the spinning skull 2011-02-09 09:13:21 druthb dancing baby! 2011-02-09 09:13:23 BillDueber Animated "under construction" sign that never goes away 2011-02-09 09:13:25 atz old skuull 2011-02-09 09:13:28 pberry Or an under construction sign 2011-02-09 09:13:31 lbjay webring links 2011-02-09 09:13:31 bmljenny And an embedded midi playing the star spangled banner 2011-02-09 09:13:33 ecorrado ecorrado misses dchud at the timer stand 2011-02-09 09:13:34 scolford hampster dance!!! 2011-02-09 09:13:38 atz bmljenny++ 2011-02-09 09:13:40 yitznewton @seen dchud 2011-02-09 09:13:40 zoia yitznewton: dchud was last seen in #code4lib 16 hours, 14 minutes, and 48 seconds ago: tzhaya++ 2011-02-09 09:13:42 scolford s/hampster/hamster 2011-02-09 09:13:49 rsinger webring++ 2011-02-09 09:13:50 rsinger haha 2011-02-09 09:13:51 BillDueber BillDueber had totally forgotten about webrings 2011-02-09 09:13:54 timmcgeary dancing baby! 2011-02-09 09:13:54 rsinger me too 2011-02-09 09:14:06 ndushay are webrings like benzene rings? 2011-02-09 09:14:09 bmljenny scolford: I think it was actually hampster 2011-02-09 09:14:20 BillDueber ndushay: More like ring-around-the-collar 2011-02-09 09:14:39 rsinger ring-around-the-blink-tag 2011-02-09 09:14:43 mbklein And it needed to be called "My coin collection's little corner of the web" 2011-02-09 09:14:45 ndushay everyone should take a trip to california 2011-02-09 09:14:49 scolford bmljenny: yes, I thought so too. but didn't want to look like a bad speler 2011-02-09 09:14:59 edsu ndushay: is that where they had the chip implanted? 2011-02-09 09:14:59 rsinger inquisition.chop 2011-02-09 09:14:59 pberry ndushay: Fact 2011-02-09 09:15:09 mtomko i wasn't expecting that. 2011-02-09 09:15:18 ndushay edsu: you're not supposed to know about that 2011-02-09 09:15:22 duspal Nobody suspects the inquisition! 2011-02-09 09:15:29 pberry The inquisition, what a show 2011-02-09 09:15:39 edsu ndushay: uhoh :-) 2011-02-09 09:15:47 bmljenny I'm hungry now 2011-02-09 09:15:48 pberry bacon++ 2011-02-09 09:15:49 mbklein bacon++ 2011-02-09 09:15:49 pmurray bacon++ 2011-02-09 09:15:54 mbklein subliminal_bacon 2011-02-09 09:15:55 lbjay i missed the funny 2011-02-09 09:15:59 mbklein subliminal_bacon++ 2011-02-09 09:16:05 akorphan Subliminal bacon? 2011-02-09 09:16:06 timmcgeary lbjay: me too. 2011-02-09 09:16:08 akorphan What happened? 2011-02-09 09:16:12 druthb spanish_inquisition++ 2011-02-09 09:16:13 timmcgeary irc-distraction-- 2011-02-09 09:16:14 decasm_ FYI tomorrow, breakfast at http://villagedeli.biz/ for those that want to join me, 7:45 in hotel lobby 2011-02-09 09:16:20 pmurray good_speaker_tricks++ 2011-02-09 09:16:23 BillDueber akorphan: Word "bacon" was on the screen for about 1/10 of a second 2011-02-09 09:16:27 ecorrado subliminal_bacon++ 2011-02-09 09:16:33 jtgorman webring++ 2011-02-09 09:16:33 jtgorman nobody expects the inquisitio! 2011-02-09 09:16:35 ejk live stream missed it, I think 2011-02-09 09:16:38 akorphan BillDueber: Nice. 2011-02-09 09:16:40 pberry @ana subliminal bacon 2011-02-09 09:16:40 zoia pberry: Im connubial labs 2011-02-09 09:16:40 anna3lc arrow'd! 2011-02-09 09:16:42 ecorrado @rate subliminal_bacon 2011-02-09 09:16:44 zoia ecorrado: subliminal bacon: 10.0. subliminal bacon rocks! 2011-02-09 09:16:45 lbjay @urbandict webring 2011-02-09 09:16:46 zoia lbjay: Error: No definition found. 2011-02-09 09:16:48 rsinger lbjay: if you'd stop loving your life in IRC, YOU'D HAVE SEEN THAT 2011-02-09 09:16:50 akorphan wave o' babies! 2011-02-09 09:16:53 rsinger er 2011-02-09 09:16:55 rsinger living 2011-02-09 09:16:59 jstirnaman decasm: i'm thee 2011-02-09 09:16:59 yitznewton hey, where'd the stream go.. 2011-02-09 09:17:02 BillDueber anna3lc++ strongbad++ 2011-02-09 09:17:03 lbjay @love life 2011-02-09 09:17:03 jstirnaman *there* 2011-02-09 09:17:03 ranti @tweet "No one expects the Spanish Inquisition!" 2011-02-09 09:17:04 mbklein One on't crossbeams gone out 'skew on the treadle. 2011-02-09 09:17:05 zoia ranti: Error: You must be registered to use this command. If you are already registered, you must either identify (using the identify command) or add a hostmask matching your current hostmask (using the "hostmask add" command). 2011-02-09 09:17:06 zoia lbjay: The operation succeeded. lbjay loves life. 2011-02-09 09:17:06 rsinger i mean, i'm sure you're fond of it, too 2011-02-09 09:17:16 ejk MOAR ARROWZ 2011-02-09 09:17:18 decasm_ jstirnaman: check 2011-02-09 09:17:21 bess so nice to see someone actually using hydra. :) 2011-02-09 09:17:43 timmcgeary bess: how many sites are using hydra? 2011-02-09 09:17:45 rsinger huh 2011-02-09 09:17:46 mbklein anna3lc / BillDueber: I want The Cheat on my usability team. 2011-02-09 09:18:03 erikhatcher opinionated_metadata++ 2011-02-09 09:18:23 jrochkind "logo driven technology roadmap" 2011-02-09 09:18:24 harvel logo_driven_technology_roadmap++ 2011-02-09 09:18:26 decasm_ more entities! more arrows! 2011-02-09 09:18:27 bmljenny Opinionated librarians++ 2011-02-09 09:18:27 metadata you guys are all jerks 2011-02-09 09:18:28 MrDys @ana logo driven technology roadmap 2011-02-09 09:18:30 zoia MrDys: Rompingly good-hearted volcano 2011-02-09 09:18:31 bess timmcgeary: I don't know exactly. There are tons in development, but few in production. So it's just nice to see something in production. 2011-02-09 09:18:34 metadata this conference sucks 2011-02-09 09:18:39 ndushay who did the hydra logo? it rocks 2011-02-09 09:18:41 timmcgeary zoia++ 2011-02-09 09:18:46 scolford metadata++ 2011-02-09 09:18:46 eefcee zoia++ 2011-02-09 09:18:48 bess ndushay: chris j at Stanford did that 2011-02-09 09:18:52 anarchivist metadata++ 2011-02-09 09:18:53 ndushay these guys totally rehearsed their talk - they are smooth. 2011-02-09 09:18:53 metadata metadata: too cold in bloomington. damn! 2011-02-09 09:18:55 erikhatcher @blame metadata 2011-02-09 09:18:56 zoia erikhatcher: it's all metadata's fault 2011-02-09 09:18:57 mbklein @blame metadata 2011-02-09 09:18:58 zoia mbklein: metadata is just anti-web-2.0 2011-02-09 09:19:03 akorphan Zoia's anagram engine is good at putting things in a phrase-y order 2011-02-09 09:19:03 ecorrado logo_driven_roadmap++ 2011-02-09 09:19:05 timmcgeary reheared-talkes++ 2011-02-09 09:19:14 ndushay hmm - vanilla blqcklight 2011-02-09 09:19:19 jrochkind still using the old blacklight default views, without the new bubbles 2011-02-09 09:19:21 ndushay s/q/a/ 2011-02-09 09:19:27 freqlurker this pres makes me wonder why we use contentdm at all 2011-02-09 09:19:29 dbs code4libcon always makes me feel dumber and dumber 2011-02-09 09:19:36 bess jrochkind: yeah, hydrangea was using an old fork of blacklight 2011-02-09 09:19:43 bess jrochkind: but it's been upgraded to 2.7 since then 2011-02-09 09:19:44 dbs you peoples are so SMART 2011-02-09 09:19:49 akorphan We need to start a group called Code4Ba, so we can refer to the Code4BaCon 2011-02-09 09:19:50 ecorrado dchud arrives! 2011-02-09 09:19:52 pjb1 freqlurker++ 2011-02-09 09:19:55 MrDys get back to where you came from 2011-02-09 09:19:59 bmljenny I just noticed we are watching a video. 2011-02-09 09:20:00 decasm_ akorphan++ 2011-02-09 09:20:04 atz "got to get back..." 2011-02-09 09:20:05 BillDueber @google 20 shillings in dollars 2011-02-09 09:20:06 zoia BillDueber: Answers.com - How many shillings equal one dollar: ; Answers.com - How much is 15 shillings to dollar: ; Kenyan shilling - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: ; Shilling - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: (2 more messages) 2011-02-09 09:20:10 chelociraptor akorphan++ 2011-02-09 09:20:11 rsinger but is it web scale? 2011-02-09 09:20:11 yitznewton @karma contentdm 2011-02-09 09:20:12 zoia yitznewton: Karma for "contentdm" has been increased 1 time and decreased 9 times for a total karma of -8. 2011-02-09 09:20:13 erikhatcher solrizer++ 2011-02-09 09:20:21 akorphan 20 shillings is a pound 2011-02-09 09:20:25 jrochkind what's that digital humanities whatever software for 'exhibits'? 2011-02-09 09:20:28 yitznewton @karma hydra 2011-02-09 09:20:28 akorphan back when shillings existed 2011-02-09 09:20:28 zoia yitznewton: Karma for "hydra" has been increased 1 time and decreased 0 times for a total karma of 1. 2011-02-09 09:20:29 lbjay eggzibbit 2011-02-09 09:20:31 timmcgeary dbs: don't doubt - everyone has their own expertise here, but I tend towards feeling the same at times. 2011-02-09 09:20:34 ecorrado recorded_demos++ 2011-02-09 09:20:35 MrDys jrochkind: omeka 2011-02-09 09:20:42 akorphan i think? or is it 12 shillings? 2011-02-09 09:20:43 akorphan drat 2011-02-09 09:20:43 jrochkind righto 2011-02-09 09:20:45 mbklein screencast++ 2011-02-09 09:20:56 timmcgeary @ana discovery interface 2011-02-09 09:20:57 zoia timmcgeary: If censored veracity 2011-02-09 09:21:02 BillDueber Synced with video makes for a great presentations 2011-02-09 09:21:02 freqlurker omeka++ 2011-02-09 09:21:05 jrochkind oh, I see what they're doing. 2011-02-09 09:21:10 jrochkind Yeah, they're doing good stuff. 2011-02-09 09:21:10 BillDueber Plus, they clearly both work at Best Buy 2011-02-09 09:21:17 rsinger @decide dahta or dayta 2011-02-09 09:21:17 zoia rsinger: go with dahta 2011-02-09 09:21:18 akorphan stupid non-decimal currencies 2011-02-09 09:21:20 ndushay jrochkind: what are they doing? 2011-02-09 09:21:23 knickum ouch BillDueber++ 2011-02-09 09:21:25 rsinger zoia: really? 2011-02-09 09:21:26 zoia rsinger: Don't worry, catalogers are on top of it. 2011-02-09 09:21:30 atz selective facets 2011-02-09 09:21:31 jrochkind ndushay: aren't you at the same presentation as me? :) 2011-02-09 09:21:37 yitznewton @decide dahta or dayta or daeta 2011-02-09 09:21:37 ndushay lol - yeah - just checking. 2011-02-09 09:21:37 zoia yitznewton: go with dayta 2011-02-09 09:21:51 atz it's sorta what LoC subject headings were supposed to do 2011-02-09 09:21:53 ndushay hydra allows updates to fedora objects - that's part of the point. 2011-02-09 09:21:54 rsinger oh sure, for HIM you use say dayta 2011-02-09 09:22:00 atz but more 2011-02-09 09:22:02 yitznewton @decide data or lore 2011-02-09 09:22:02 zoia yitznewton: go with lore 2011-02-09 09:22:04 jrochkind i like it 2011-02-09 09:22:06 BillDueber This is awesome stuff 2011-02-09 09:22:09 lbjay iframes-- 2011-02-09 09:22:14 anarchivist hydra++ 2011-02-09 09:22:27 ndushay anarchivist: not that you're biased. ;-) 2011-02-09 09:22:36 akorphan I had a case a while ago where iframes were a necessity. Luckily, it wasn't a public-facing production website. 2011-02-09 09:22:36 ndushay hydra++ 2011-02-09 09:22:39 ndushay (me too) 2011-02-09 09:22:42 escowles 1 pound = 20 shillings = 240 pence # lsd 2011-02-09 09:22:53 akorphan escowles: I shoulda stuck to my gums. 2011-02-09 09:22:54 jrochkind so do those user-added content pieces go into the Solr index? Or do they just stay in the external store? 2011-02-09 09:22:56 anarchivist ndushay: i mean, i'd be impressed if i wasn't biased :) 2011-02-09 09:23:03 rsinger holy cow 2011-02-09 09:23:11 lbjay @sing sixpence none the richer 2011-02-09 09:23:13 zoia 'cause I don't have much to love / much to love / much to love / much to love 2011-02-09 09:23:25 anarchivist nd.edu++ 2011-02-09 09:23:30 bmljenny Niiiice 2011-02-09 09:23:30 akorphan shave and a haircut... sixpence! 2011-02-09 09:23:41 ndushay bess: anarchivist: does it update Solr immediately? 2011-02-09 09:23:44 jtgorman is any of this being cycled back into hydra? 2011-02-09 09:23:44 jstirnaman lbjay++ 2011-02-09 09:23:48 jrochkind so this 'plugin' they wrote for Hydra, is it available for other Hydra users to use, with an easy install? 2011-02-09 09:23:49 ndushay i think it does. 2011-02-09 09:23:56 bess ndushay: JMS messaging, so it's pretty close to immediate 2011-02-09 09:23:57 atz nd.edu++ .... this stuff isn't mind-blowing, it's just *right* 2011-02-09 09:23:58 anarchivist ndushay: yeah, i think so 2011-02-09 09:24:02 anarchivist jrochkind: it's on gthub 2011-02-09 09:24:07 anarchivist s/gthub/github 2011-02-09 09:24:07 akorphan no_image_available_image-- 2011-02-09 09:24:08 bess jrochkind: yes, it's just a folder you put in the plugins folder. 2011-02-09 09:24:12 scolford sweet 2011-02-09 09:24:14 anna3lc lbjay++ makes metadata funny 2011-02-09 09:24:18 bess jrochkind: whether they've shared THIS plugin I dunno 2011-02-09 09:24:19 jrochkind sweet. good for them, good for all of us for making it possible. :) 2011-02-09 09:24:22 awead jrochkind: it's on github, I believe 2011-02-09 09:24:24 akorphan my metadata tastes funny... 2011-02-09 09:24:37 ndushay bess: and the difference between hydra and hydrangea is ... 2011-02-09 09:24:42 jrochkind bess: wait, what's the "it" that's just a folder you put in the plugins folder, if you aren't ure if this one is a plugin? 2011-02-09 09:24:44 anarchivist github++ 2011-02-09 09:24:49 akorphan ndushay: One's a mythical creature and the other's a plant. 2011-02-09 09:24:57 jrochkind nice, they're answering my question. :) 2011-02-09 09:24:59 jtgorman ndushay: hydrangeai's a reference implementation, kinda 2011-02-09 09:25:00 jrochkind I like these guys. 2011-02-09 09:25:02 ndushay akorphan++ 2011-02-09 09:25:13 jtgorman from what I understand 2011-02-09 09:25:14 dlovins This is pretty cool stuff. 2011-02-09 09:25:22 anarchivist jrochkind: https://github.com/ndliblis/hydra_exhibit 2011-02-09 09:25:23 rajnb Here is the link for the project: https://github.com/ndliblis/hydra_exhibit 2011-02-09 09:25:30 bess jrochkind: no, no, they've definitely developed a plugin. I just don't know whether they've made the code for their plugin available. 2011-02-09 09:25:38 ndushay to all: open source needs to make it easy to separate localized code from project code 2011-02-09 09:25:44 bess ah, and lit looks like they have shared it YAY! 2011-02-09 09:25:45 anarchivist jrochkind: yeah, not sure the plugin code is out yet 2011-02-09 09:25:52 ndushay and NO contributions without passing tests. 2011-02-09 09:25:52 jrochkind if they're updating the solr index immediately... they might have trouble with scaling. Solr indexes do not like being updated too frequently. 2011-02-09 09:26:03 MrDys twitter list of attendees is up: http://twitter.com/code4lib/attendees-2011 let me know if you need to be added 2011-02-09 09:26:05 jrochkind blacklight-only version not dependent on fedora! 2011-02-09 09:26:09 jrochkind These guys are my code-sharing heroes! 2011-02-09 09:26:14 ndushay jrochkind: how many people do you think are updating records? 2011-02-09 09:26:25 rsinger jrochkind: well, it's not like special collections tend to be terribly volatile 2011-02-09 09:26:28 jtgorman jrochkind: you almost have to though if it's end-user's adding info 2011-02-09 09:26:36 jrochkind ndushay: no idea. but if even just ONCE two people update within 10 seconds of each other... and that brings down your Solr... that would be a problem. 2011-02-09 09:26:37 mbklein clap clap clap clap clap clap 2011-02-09 09:26:43 jrochkind jtgorman: thus the problem, cause Solr don't like that. 2011-02-09 09:26:50 rsinger jrochkind: plus they're not going to have huge numbers of documents 2011-02-09 09:26:55 jrochkind jtgorman: if you batch the changes and deploy the change queue every 10 minutes or something, that can solve that. 2011-02-09 09:27:01 ejk github++ 2011-02-09 09:27:02 jaron non-fedora version of this plugin would be great 2011-02-09 09:27:06 MrDys that is a long last name 2011-02-09 09:27:08 timmcgeary collaboration++ 2011-02-09 09:27:11 lbjay jaron: was thinking that too 2011-02-09 09:27:13 jrochkind rsinger: they're not going to have a huge nubmer of documents in their solr/fedora? Why not? 2011-02-09 09:27:15 duspal thanks_page++ 2011-02-09 09:27:18 escowles jrochkind: you can update solr all the time, iff you don't need to do queries at the same time 2011-02-09 09:27:19 jtgorman jrochkind: cause otherwise the time-delay is too hard. maybe like a lot of places do and have a temporary index / long-term index 2011-02-09 09:27:20 ndushay werewolf++ 2011-02-09 09:27:22 erikhatcher code4lib10++ 2011-02-09 09:27:36 chelociraptor werewolf++ 2011-02-09 09:27:46 BillDueber ndushay: That wasn't a question! 2011-02-09 09:27:52 jrochkind escowles: what do you mean if you don't need to do queries at the same time? Why wouldn't you need to do queries at the same time? I don't understand the case you are suggesting. 2011-02-09 09:27:54 timmcgeary ndushay++ 2011-02-09 09:27:54 ndushay so penalize me. 2011-02-09 09:28:00 ranti werewolf would compete with neckbeard geeks... 2011-02-09 09:28:03 knickum was that a question? 2011-02-09 09:28:05 BillDueber OK. ndushay-- :-) 2011-02-09 09:28:10 ndushay give the speakers feedback. 2011-02-09 09:28:25 ndushay it sucks when you talk and there is no feedback and no questions. 2011-02-09 09:28:27 rsinger jrochkind: everything in speccolls collections are done by hand - by your local archivists/speccolls librarians 2011-02-09 09:28:36 ndushay it makes you think everyone hated it or wasn't paying attention. 2011-02-09 09:28:39 jtgorman ndushay: we're not going to say anything, but Alex Trebek is very upset 2011-02-09 09:28:47 mbklein @werewolforcode4libber chelociraptor 2011-02-09 09:28:47 rsinger jrochkind: so the scale is smaller. period. 2011-02-09 09:28:48 zoia mbklein: i can cut the crusts off too if you want 2011-02-09 09:28:48 atz https://github.com/ngauthier/hydra 2011-02-09 09:28:49 escowles jrochkind: updates to one server/core then snapshot/replicate to a second for queries 2011-02-09 09:28:54 timmcgeary jtgorman++ 2011-02-09 09:29:06 mbklein Hmm…what happened to @werewolforcode4libber? :( 2011-02-09 09:29:16 ndushay BillDueber: take it back! my rankings need help! 2011-02-09 09:29:17 jrochkind escowles: aha, right. Only replicate every 10 minutes or something, yeah. That's one way to queue up your changes. 2011-02-09 09:29:24 BillDueber @karma ndushay 2011-02-09 09:29:24 zoia BillDueber: Karma for "ndushay" has been increased 47 times and decreased 2 times for a total karma of 45. 2011-02-09 09:29:25 timmcgeary jtgorman: "I'll take S words for 500, Alex" 2011-02-09 09:29:30 mbklein bess++ 2011-02-09 09:29:31 dchud bess++ 2011-02-09 09:29:33 lbjay @homelessorcode4libber mbklein 2011-02-09 09:29:33 zoia mbklein = WEREWOLF! 2011-02-09 09:29:37 timmcgeary bess++ 2011-02-09 09:29:37 pberry Planted question! 2011-02-09 09:29:38 jtgorman bess++ 2011-02-09 09:29:38 anarchivist subtlety++ 2011-02-09 09:29:41 mbklein lbjay++ ah, right. 2011-02-09 09:29:43 BillDueber PLANT! 2011-02-09 09:29:43 dbs ndushay++ # you say many wise things 2011-02-09 09:29:45 rsinger seriously, i think you're overanalyzing the use of a special collections discovery service 2011-02-09 09:29:52 mbklein @homelessorcode4libber chelociraptor 2011-02-09 09:29:52 zoia chelociraptor = homeless 2011-02-09 09:30:11 ndushay think "institutional repository" not "special collections" and jonathan has an excellent point. 2011-02-09 09:30:15 rsinger i think you could easily do realtime updates with commits in solr without impacting anybody 2011-02-09 09:30:31 ndushay dbs: thanks, but i think most of my karma comes from bad jokes. 2011-02-09 09:30:33 timmcgeary ouch! Bell rings before the talk even starts 2011-02-09 09:30:43 lbjay jrochkind: when you say there could be problems sending lots of small updates to solr are you assuming an optimize operation each time? 2011-02-09 09:30:45 ndushay another mac user on windoze. 2011-02-09 09:31:06 dlovins napkin_drawings++ 2011-02-09 09:31:08 ndushay tick tick tick 2011-02-09 09:31:13 timmcgeary librar-copter++ 2011-02-09 09:31:14 rsinger yeah, i don't think you would need to optimize 2011-02-09 09:31:15 ndushay napkin_drawings+ 2011-02-09 09:31:17 jrochkind lbjay: nope. without an optimize. 2011-02-09 09:31:24 harvel napkin_drawings++ 2011-02-09 09:31:25 ndushay napkin_drawings++ 2011-02-09 09:31:27 ksclarke1 napkin_drawings++ 2011-02-09 09:31:29 timmcgeary s/ar/ary 2011-02-09 09:31:35 anarchivist ndushay: the problem is powerpoint 2011-02-09 09:31:38 helrond office_2010 -- 2011-02-09 09:31:40 harvel @karma napkin_drawings 2011-02-09 09:31:40 zoia harvel: Karma for "napkin_drawings" has been increased 4 times and decreased 0 times for a total karma of 4. 2011-02-09 09:31:46 csharp anarchivist++ 2011-02-09 09:31:54 ndushay what the heck is at the very top of the screen? 2011-02-09 09:31:57 scolford electronic_book_with_plug++ 2011-02-09 09:32:00 timmcgeary volunteers++ 2011-02-09 09:32:11 jstirnaman spare_time++ 2011-02-09 09:32:11 mbklein ndushay: A virtual "ragged edge" 2011-02-09 09:32:15 ndushay those drawings really are awesome. 2011-02-09 09:32:18 helrond ndushay: the top of the screen? 2011-02-09 09:32:19 escowles ndushay: curtains overhanging 2011-02-09 09:32:20 anarchivist mbklein: i got one of those 2011-02-09 09:32:20 pberry buzzwords++ 2011-02-09 09:32:21 harvel ndushay: a curtain? 2011-02-09 09:32:26 mlevy sparks and smoke! 2011-02-09 09:32:26 ndushay it's the bottom of some text 2011-02-09 09:32:36 jrochkind lbjay: http://wiki.apache.org/solr/SolrPerformanceFactors#Updates_and_Commit_Frequency_Tradeoffs 2011-02-09 09:32:37 paulalbert I think I see Jimmy Hoffa's body. 2011-02-09 09:32:37 dchud great illustration 2011-02-09 09:32:38 mbklein anarchivist: Someone cut you? 2011-02-09 09:32:43 escowles powerpoint-- 2011-02-09 09:32:43 KingNightWolf lol 2011-02-09 09:32:44 mbklein @who cut anarchivist? 2011-02-09 09:32:44 zoia nabeta cut anarchivist. 2011-02-09 09:32:45 lbjay jrochkind++ 2011-02-09 09:32:50 atz dude, hydras github repo already has 322 watchers and 36 forks! 2011-02-09 09:32:51 jtgorman dinosaurs++ 2011-02-09 09:32:51 harvel dinosaur++ 2011-02-09 09:32:52 ndushay i'm going to pay attention to the talk now. 2011-02-09 09:32:59 akorphan Does the book contain all books including itself? 2011-02-09 09:33:02 pjb1 the drawing needs more tunnels 2011-02-09 09:33:08 MrDys atz: that's part of what it takes to develop a hydra app...everything is a fork 2011-02-09 09:33:10 jrochkind lbjay: that's written in terms of replication, but really applies to any commits at all, not just commits triggered by a replication pull. 2011-02-09 09:33:22 duspal 'zines++ 2011-02-09 09:33:23 akorphan Furthermore, could we make a book that contains all books that contain themselves? And then another book that contains all books that DON'T contain themselves? 2011-02-09 09:33:24 jtgorman atz: at least one of those is probably mine, so I don't know if it counts 2011-02-09 09:33:25 ndushay is that a tree or a mushroom? 2011-02-09 09:33:26 atz MrDys: i get that, i say it as a sign of use/respect 2011-02-09 09:33:38 anna3lc ndushay: a lamp 2011-02-09 09:33:43 akorphan I'm digging the art on these slides 2011-02-09 09:33:46 pjb1 jenga game 2011-02-09 09:33:52 atz MrDys: i've got several (less popular) repos on their 2011-02-09 09:33:52 akorphan You shanked my jengaship! 2011-02-09 09:33:54 atz *there 2011-02-09 09:33:55 escowles mushroom cloud? 2011-02-09 09:34:01 ndushay chicago has a library by techies meeting every tues evening? 2011-02-09 09:34:03 timmcgeary akorphan++ 2011-02-09 09:34:07 freqlurker yo dawg, I heard you want a book of books 2011-02-09 09:34:10 KingNightWolf I don't get the drawings 2011-02-09 09:34:17 akorphan freqlurker++ 2011-02-09 09:34:20 lbjay @dunno add You shanked my jengaship! 2011-02-09 09:34:20 zoia lbjay: The operation succeeded. Dunno #1123 added. 2011-02-09 09:34:32 mbklein freqlurker: I put a book in your book so you can read while you read. 2011-02-09 09:34:39 freqlurker whoa 2011-02-09 09:34:53 MrDys sound like their subject system would make a good visualization 2011-02-09 09:34:53 ranti +200ndushay: I believe she said catalogers 2011-02-09 09:34:58 mbklein mbklein never figured out the semantics of how a @yo_dawg plugin should work. 2011-02-09 09:35:08 akorphan OK, so if there's a book that contains all books that don't contain themselves... does that book contain itself or not? 2011-02-09 09:35:10 freqlurker love the design of this presentation 2011-02-09 09:35:17 atz akorphan: ask borges 2011-02-09 09:35:23 jtgorman akorphan: who shaves the barber? 2011-02-09 09:35:25 jrochkind akorphan: is that a borges story? 2011-02-09 09:35:52 ndushay so are they saying they need hydra to capture the stories? 2011-02-09 09:35:55 akorphan jrochkind atz: I always think of it as a Russell-ism, but maybe I just haven't read enough borges. 2011-02-09 09:35:58 bess jrochkind: it's sort of like the library of babel by borges, right? Or The Aleph, also by Borges. 2011-02-09 09:36:04 KingNightWolf new age presentation style done on a Etch A Sketch 2011-02-09 09:36:09 anna3lc akorphan++ 2011-02-09 09:36:24 ndushay KingNightWolf: maybe on an ipad 2011-02-09 09:36:28 morgan8 All books contain them self. 2011-02-09 09:36:33 atz Etch-A-Pad 2011-02-09 09:36:33 rsinger jrochkind: i still don't think that we're talking about the number of updates that that page is warning about 2011-02-09 09:36:42 ranti I really like this presentation design; that gives the sense of down-to-earth, community style. 2011-02-09 09:36:46 anna3lc are the books regular books or are they made by the members of the library? 2011-02-09 09:36:49 mbklein bess: You're taking the conversation dangerously close to the gaping void in my knowledge set known as "humanities" 2011-02-09 09:36:49 jrochkind rsinger: more than one within 5 or 10 minute window can cause it. We certainly are. 2011-02-09 09:36:50 lbjay rsinger: yeah 2011-02-09 09:36:53 jrochkind rsinger: I've seen it happen. 2011-02-09 09:36:56 mbklein huge_manatees++ 2011-02-09 09:36:59 anarchivist anna3lc: i think it can be both 2011-02-09 09:37:00 ndushay mbklein++ 2011-02-09 09:37:14 bess I had a great talk with these folks in the hospitality suite the other night. The thing that worries me about their project is that all the stuff is stored directly in drupal. I tried to talk them into looking at islandora so the objects would go into a more durable repository. 2011-02-09 09:37:16 jtgorman jrochkind, akorphan: you're both right. Russel = set theory / Borges = played w/ set theory w/ short story of library of everything, even that which is not 2011-02-09 09:37:27 ranti bess++ 2011-02-09 09:37:34 akorphan jtgorman++ 2011-02-09 09:37:35 ndushay bess++ 2011-02-09 09:37:36 jrochkind rsinger: depends on how long it takes your new index version to be warmed. Two commits within that time window will double your RAM usage as well as CPU. Three will triple it. Etc. 2011-02-09 09:37:36 mbklein bess: So it would be more Fedurable? 2011-02-09 09:37:44 ndushay mbklein++ 2011-02-09 09:37:46 anarchivist @whois fedurable 2011-02-09 09:37:46 zoia anarchivist: Error: must be in .com, .net, .edu, or .org. 2011-02-09 09:37:47 bess mbklein++ # groan 2011-02-09 09:37:51 lbjay @eightball was it royt? 2011-02-09 09:37:51 zoia lbjay: It is so. 2011-02-09 09:37:54 ndushay i'll just go in the corner and become invisible. 2011-02-09 09:37:54 anarchivist @who is fedorable? 2011-02-09 09:37:54 alxp lbess++ doing the lord's work 2011-02-09 09:37:55 zoia bohyunkim is fedorable. 2011-02-09 09:37:55 jrochkind morgan8: makes a pretty good point about all books including themselves, definitionally. 2011-02-09 09:38:00 MrDys that's great metadata 2011-02-09 09:38:00 alxp bess++ rather 2011-02-09 09:38:07 mbklein anarchivist++ 2011-02-09 09:38:10 zoia Can you shut the hell up for one minute about the metadata? 2011-02-09 09:38:20 bmljenny Kinda reminds me of college classes where profs would start with a transparency and draw/write on it during class 2011-02-09 09:38:20 anarchivist @dance 2011-02-09 09:38:20 zoia o/ 2011-02-09 09:38:21 zoia /| 2011-02-09 09:38:22 zoia >> 2011-02-09 09:38:27 ndushay it's a lovefest. 2011-02-09 09:38:27 anna3lc does the underground library have a building or is it scattered around people's apartments? 2011-02-09 09:38:36 rsinger Fedorable 2011-02-09 09:38:37 ndushay i'm ready for a new slide 2011-02-09 09:38:39 akorphan Yo dawg, I heard you like self-reference, so I put some references in your references so you can reference while you reference. 2011-02-09 09:38:52 anarchivist anna3lc: they have a physical space 2011-02-09 09:38:56 ndushay i can't focus on the prez w/o slides. 2011-02-09 09:38:58 bess anna3lc: apparently they have a very small rented office, which isn't even in a basement. false advertising. :) 2011-02-09 09:39:00 jrochkind pretty neat project. 2011-02-09 09:39:04 timmcgeary akorphan++ 2011-02-09 09:39:07 anarchivist anna3lc: http://underground-library.org/ 2011-02-09 09:39:16 anna3lc rad thx 2011-02-09 09:39:23 jrochkind I've been thinking public libraries should be doing things a lot like what htey're describing. But of course they aren't. 2011-02-09 09:39:41 pmurray jrochkind: Yes -- this would be a good role for public libraries. 2011-02-09 09:39:42 BillDueber jrochkind: Some are. But not many. 2011-02-09 09:39:55 atz jrochkind: actually, many are. also local PBS stations. 2011-02-09 09:39:57 jrochkind but that would be a great role for a public library, archiving community history in a community-generated way. 2011-02-09 09:40:04 scolford jrochkind: Give me your money and I'll get it done. 2011-02-09 09:40:06 maccabee awesome organization 2011-02-09 09:40:07 ndushay jrochkind: you have a frightening number of good ideas. 2011-02-09 09:40:13 maccabee celebrating the local 2011-02-09 09:40:15 jrochkind atz BillDueber : example of a public library doing this sort of thing interestingly? 2011-02-09 09:40:19 was Might be a better fit for publicly-funded university lib 2011-02-09 09:40:34 atz columbus public. also orange county florida (w/ kete i set up) 2011-02-09 09:40:40 KingNightWolf http://underground-library.org/ check out the website 2011-02-09 09:40:45 bess the center for history & new media is doing some neat stuff around archiving local history 2011-02-09 09:40:47 dlovins dlovins appreciated the phrase "all this theory I just spewed at you" 2011-02-09 09:40:48 ndushay wordpress? drupal? hmmm. 2011-02-09 09:40:49 KingNightWolf the keep with the them 2011-02-09 09:40:58 eby jrochkind: We're starting to work on it 2011-02-09 09:41:01 jrochkind sweet, thanks atz. Is that using that Koha software? What's it called again? Kete or something? 2011-02-09 09:41:03 bohyunkim drupal 2011-02-09 09:41:04 akorphan Wait, what's a metadata? 2011-02-09 09:41:06 jrochkind eby: where are you 'we'? 2011-02-09 09:41:09 akorphan and where can I get one? 2011-02-09 09:41:17 eby Ann arbor jrochkind 2011-02-09 09:41:18 dericed1 metadata? :( 2011-02-09 09:41:19 erikhatcher "most of our catalogers wouldn't know metadata if they saw it".... did she really say that?! LOL 2011-02-09 09:41:27 anna3lc metadatum 2011-02-09 09:41:28 zoia can you tell me more about this metadata stuff? 2011-02-09 09:41:30 akorphan @ana metadata 2011-02-09 09:41:31 zoia akorphan: Tame data 2011-02-09 09:41:33 jrochkind erikhatcher: yeah, that would be somewhat disturbing. 2011-02-09 09:41:40 atz jrochkind: yeah, it's kete, a different NZ-initiated platform 2011-02-09 09:41:45 lbjay i have a site i'd like to move from wordpress to drupal 2011-02-09 09:41:45 bess erikhatcher: But remember, their catalogers are untrained members of the community, not library staff. :) 2011-02-09 09:41:55 dchud we should really discourage or disallow doubling-up on lightning talks :( 2011-02-09 09:41:57 akorphan HELLO SIR I WOULD LIKE ONE METADATUM PLEASE. 2011-02-09 09:42:01 dbs jrochkind: OurOntario is that project (archiving community history in a community-generated way) for our province 2011-02-09 09:42:07 anarchivist dchud: is that happening? 2011-02-09 09:42:15 jrochkind one fantasy I had is a public library would be like "bring in all your old shoeboxes of family snapshots, we'll digitize em, put em on the web, and preserve em for free." 2011-02-09 09:42:21 bess dbs++ YES! How come we never see OurOntario at code4lib?? 2011-02-09 09:42:22 dchud anarchivist: http://wiki.code4lib.org/index.php/2011_Lightning_Talks_Signup 2011-02-09 09:42:23 jrochkind dbs: sweet. 2011-02-09 09:42:26 atz a reasonable counterpart to koha, but can handle dublin core and other formats of metadata beyond what koha does 2011-02-09 09:42:27 lbjay In Chicago Underground Library metadata have opinion about you! 2011-02-09 09:42:27 anarchivist @ana preservation isn't free 2011-02-09 09:42:27 zoia anarchivist: Finer, sportive earnest 2011-02-09 09:42:30 rsinger metadatum++ 2011-02-09 09:42:39 dchud i mean, i'm excited to see two people from France wanting to speak, don't get me wrong 2011-02-09 09:42:44 anna3lc jrochkind: that is a sweet idea 2011-02-09 09:42:45 dchud but it's not a 10-minutes slot, yknow? 2011-02-09 09:42:47 erikhatcher OurOntario++ # SuperConference!!! 2011-02-09 09:42:47 scolford jrochkind: that may be coming to Massachusetts in the next couple years. Can't say much more than that. 2011-02-09 09:42:49 dbs bess: Knowledge Ontario is under intense funding pressure 2011-02-09 09:42:51 bmljenny At my uni we try to have as little to do with the community as possible. Ew, commoners. 2011-02-09 09:42:53 was one fantasy I had was "bring in all your old national geographics, and we'll preserve them forever" 2011-02-09 09:42:55 jrochkind scolford: awesome. 2011-02-09 09:43:01 escowles anarchivist: we were going to do that before mcritchlow was distracted by credit card fraud 2011-02-09 09:43:06 paulalbert CAN SOMEONE TELL ME WHAT THIS "DRUPAL" IS? 2011-02-09 09:43:13 anarchivist eby++ # Ryan Eby - Does anyone else hate this shit? (metadata and what not) 2011-02-09 09:43:19 decasm_ Dr Rupaul 2011-02-09 09:43:23 jrochkind I'd kind of like to work for a public library cause I like public library mission in theory, but when I was applying for jobs NO public library I could find was doing anything interesting with technology. I didn't want to be a sysadmin. 2011-02-09 09:43:23 eby jrochkind: We did that with some. We're thinking of expanding it 2011-02-09 09:43:24 BillDueber $5 says the password was "catalog" 2011-02-09 09:43:26 rsinger lbjay: the downside of wp->drupal is that you're increasing your administrative workload, like tenfold 2011-02-09 09:43:27 anarchivist escowles: going to do what? 2011-02-09 09:43:34 pberry Is catalogerx anything like Terminator X? 2011-02-09 09:43:36 rsinger @hate systems administrating 2011-02-09 09:43:38 zoia rsinger: The operation succeeded. rsinger hates systems administrating. 2011-02-09 09:43:40 jrochkind but sounds like some public libraries are getting into interesting stuff, sweet. 2011-02-09 09:43:48 escowles anarchivist: do two lightning talks 2011-02-09 09:43:50 KingNightWolf no no it was catalogerx 2011-02-09 09:43:52 anarchivist escowles: ahh right 2011-02-09 09:43:56 anarchivist drupal++ 2011-02-09 09:43:59 eby jrochkind: We just took over the failed local newspapers photo archive so that has sucked up our digitization 2011-02-09 09:44:00 dbs dchud: ack. that doubling-up trick bugged me the first time it happened three or four code4libs ago 2011-02-09 09:44:00 jrochkind meanwhile, this project in this presentation is awesome. 2011-02-09 09:44:21 ecorrado double_booking-- 2011-02-09 09:44:27 jrochkind eby: that's still a useful thing to do though, cool. Not quite as cool as digitizing stuff from the general public. 2011-02-09 09:44:33 anarchivist double_fisting++ 2011-02-09 09:44:35 dchud dbs: yeah, this is what happens when we regularly fail to post rules for the lightning talks 2011-02-09 09:44:51 decasm_ someone should unceremoniously delete one of the dup'ed lightning talks. 2011-02-09 09:44:55 decasm_ ;) 2011-02-09 09:45:02 rsinger jrochkind: i feel the same way - i would love to work for the public library here - but I have no idea how to convince them to want me :) 2011-02-09 09:45:04 dbs dchud: rules need suitable punishment for violators 2011-02-09 09:45:08 pberry This project requires lots of devotion, which makes it pretty awesome 2011-02-09 09:45:12 BillDueber eby++ # very worthwhile project 2011-02-09 09:45:16 jrochkind if there are all these public libraries doing interesting stuff with archiving community history like you all just told me... how come none of them come to code4lib? 2011-02-09 09:45:18 eby jrochkind: Yeah we digitized some general public but fell behind. 2011-02-09 09:45:19 erikhatcher "our catalog is a random view of anything in the collection" 2011-02-09 09:45:25 dchud dbs: in this case it just needs somebody to say "choose one" 2011-02-09 09:45:30 eby I'm right here jrochkind 2011-02-09 09:45:35 jrochkind eby++ 2011-02-09 09:45:37 rsinger plus, well, they probably would pay me less than the poverty line 2011-02-09 09:45:40 freqlurker great ideas here, unsure about implementation 2011-02-09 09:45:45 dbs dchud: awww, that's entirely too reasonable! 2011-02-09 09:45:47 jrochkind eby: so you should do a presentation on what your public library is doing! Lightning talk today? 2011-02-09 09:45:50 erikhatcher library_copter++ 2011-02-09 09:45:50 atz columbus metropolitan library also assumed control of the entire state library geneological archives, which is like the 150-year-old version of this community-archive 2011-02-09 09:45:53 ndushay i wonder if i should do a lightening talk of my prez for those people leaving early. 2011-02-09 09:45:59 mbklein library_copter++ 2011-02-09 09:46:00 lbjay so two guys talking about two different things. just happens to be the same organization. what's the big deal? 2011-02-09 09:46:00 dbs library_copter++ 2011-02-09 09:46:01 ndushay seems too piggy 2011-02-09 09:46:03 ecorrado ecorrado wants a library copter 2011-02-09 09:46:06 rsinger @dunno add We wouldn't have this problem if we had more library-copters. 2011-02-09 09:46:07 zoia rsinger: The operation succeeded. Dunno #1124 added. 2011-02-09 09:46:12 timmcgeary @decide problems or opportunities for growth 2011-02-09 09:46:13 zoia timmcgeary: go with opportunities for growth 2011-02-09 09:46:17 dchud dbs: like i said, though, i'm glad to see two people from another country signing up, and the list isn't otherwise full, so... 2011-02-09 09:46:20 timmcgeary zoia++ 2011-02-09 09:46:26 ndushay library_copter++ 2011-02-09 09:46:28 dchud library_copter++ 2011-02-09 09:46:33 bmljenny jrochkind: Guessing they feel their people are at ALA, Hard to justify multiple trips per year 2011-02-09 09:46:34 eby jrochkind: Doing one on only using ils for inventory and keeping data outside, but could expand it 2011-02-09 09:46:34 timmcgeary library_copter++ 2011-02-09 09:46:45 ndushay i wonder if I can commission them to do my slides. 2011-02-09 09:47:28 decasm_ library_velocicoptor 2011-02-09 09:47:38 BillDueber indelible-- invisible++ 2011-02-09 09:47:45 MrDys the bowel movement? 2011-02-09 09:47:57 harvel @decide indelible ink or the bowel movement 2011-02-09 09:47:58 zoia harvel: go with the bowel movement 2011-02-09 09:48:01 timmcgeary @ana library copter 2011-02-09 09:48:01 zoia timmcgeary: Cap or terribly 2011-02-09 09:48:03 dchud i don't wanna work, i just wanna fly my library copter all day 2011-02-09 09:48:04 paulalbert We administer sodium amytal to all catalogers to make sure their records weren't fabricated. 2011-02-09 09:48:07 mbklein My question isn't "why aren't more public institutions doing this?" It's "why are they all forced to invent it from the ground up?" 2011-02-09 09:48:09 jrochkind hmm, if I put out like a call for the Journal, people doing interesting technology things at public libraries, write up a blurb and we'll compile em all into a little state of public library tech innovation article, think anyone would write stuff? 2011-02-09 09:48:11 anarchivist @band add Indelible Ink and the Bowel Movement 2011-02-09 09:48:11 zoia anarchivist: Band 'Indelible Ink and the Bowel Movement' added to list 2011-02-09 09:48:20 BillDueber "the digital era was just a hershey bar in your father's back pocket"???? 2011-02-09 09:48:22 harvel anarchivist++ 2011-02-09 09:48:24 anarchivist mbklein: public libraries are deeply broken place, which is why 2011-02-09 09:48:27 decasm_ anarchivist: i hear that band is crap 2011-02-09 09:48:31 timmcgeary @ana extensible 2011-02-09 09:48:31 zoia timmcgeary: Bent sex lie 2011-02-09 09:48:34 bess islandora++ :) 2011-02-09 09:48:35 KingNightWolf I Want a library copter where can I get one 2011-02-09 09:48:38 scolford jrochkind: maybe... 2011-02-09 09:48:47 pmurray zoia-- 2011-02-09 09:48:49 jrochkind mbklein: what's scary to me is that I believe they may be even more broken than academic libraries, which are already pretty darn broken. :) 2011-02-09 09:48:51 timmcgeary zoia: wow! 2011-02-09 09:48:51 zoia timmcgeary: an NDA is required for me to answer that question 2011-02-09 09:48:55 KingNightWolf aaa there is an app for that 2011-02-09 09:48:55 pberry What does "more stable" mean in this context? 2011-02-09 09:48:57 erikhatcher @ana enterprise 2011-02-09 09:48:57 zoia erikhatcher: In pesterer 2011-02-09 09:49:02 BillDueber How is the RDFa in Drupal? Easy? Hardish? 2011-02-09 09:49:08 anarchivist BillDueber: easy easy easy 2011-02-09 09:49:18 pmurray zoia: An RDA is required for me to ask that question. 2011-02-09 09:49:18 zoia pmurray: uses information to slay ----> MONSTERS 2011-02-09 09:49:20 bess pberry: right now all their stuff is stored in Drupal, which isn't a preservation strategy. 2011-02-09 09:49:21 alxp BillDueber: in Drupal 7 quite braindead easy 2011-02-09 09:49:28 jtgorman I don't know much about drupal, does it have a built in database? 2011-02-09 09:49:43 anna3lc chicago_underground_library++ 2011-02-09 09:49:45 pberry bess: Ah, thanks 2011-02-09 09:49:49 anarchivist jtgorman: no, runs on top of mysql or postgres 2011-02-09 09:49:50 gsf yeah this is neat 2011-02-09 09:49:54 bmljenny I love both of these first presos. 2011-02-09 09:49:55 atz jrochkind: OCLS (FL) example: http://dc.ocls.info/en/site/all/topics?page=2 2011-02-09 09:49:55 zacho also runs on sqlite! 2011-02-09 09:50:08 mtomko does anything harvest information in pages encoded as rdfa? 2011-02-09 09:50:14 jrochkind atz: nice, that's user-uploaded content? 2011-02-09 09:50:18 timmcgeary @ana chicago underground library 2011-02-09 09:50:19 zoia timmcgeary: On grouchier, candid burglary 2011-02-09 09:50:23 jtgorman anarchivist: ah, ok, that makes sense. Was wondering how literal the phrase was of "stored in Drupal" 2011-02-09 09:50:25 atz yeah, a lot from local churches it looks like 2011-02-09 09:50:28 jrochkind sweet. 2011-02-09 09:50:29 jrochkind i like that. 2011-02-09 09:50:30 scolford bmljenny: indeed 2011-02-09 09:50:36 pmurray By the way: Idea for Virtual Lightning Talks - https://listserv.nd.edu/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind1102&L=CODE4LIB&T=0&F=&S=&P=37292 2011-02-09 09:50:40 BillDueber Hey, if folks still need/want advil, I've got some. 2011-02-09 09:50:56 anarchivist BillDueber: yes please. where are you sitting? 2011-02-09 09:51:00 mbklein mbklein has Excedrin Migraine also, if anyone needs. 2011-02-09 09:51:01 rsinger jtgorman: yeah, it's not like plone 2011-02-09 09:51:08 jrochkind atz: 2500 photos isn't really very many though. 2011-02-09 09:51:11 bmljenny I would love to see this in san Diego. 2011-02-09 09:51:26 atz no, it's still a baby project 2011-02-09 09:51:26 mbklein Excedrin Migraine is chemically identical in all ways to normal Extra Strength Excedrin, but with the word "Migraine" on the label. 2011-02-09 09:51:32 BillDueber Raising my hand now 2011-02-09 09:51:32 dbs Is "advil" the upgraded server that will replace "anvil"? 2011-02-09 09:51:33 erikhatcher erikhatcher claps 2011-02-09 09:51:34 rsinger mtomko: google, yahoo, bing 2011-02-09 09:51:51 eby bess: The data structure isn't or drupal itself 2011-02-09 09:51:52 rsinger mtomko: so, yes. 2011-02-09 09:51:57 lbjay baby_projects-- # all they do is play with their toys 2011-02-09 09:51:58 ejk drupal++ 2011-02-09 09:52:05 dbs gsf++ 2011-02-09 09:52:19 lbjay awww, he calls his laptop "guy" 2011-02-09 09:52:22 anna3lc there is no water in here :( 2011-02-09 09:52:23 dbs mmm... sacrilege 2011-02-09 09:52:24 erikhatcher gsf++ 2011-02-09 09:52:25 jrochkind gsf: man, we keep talking amongst ourselves DURING your prsesentation too 2011-02-09 09:52:25 yitznewton drupal+- 2011-02-09 09:52:26 bess eby: I don't understand what you just said to me :( 2011-02-09 09:52:27 bmljenny Rhubarb rhubarb 2011-02-09 09:52:29 MrDys @sing grand national : talk amongst yourselves 2011-02-09 09:52:30 mbklein Wait, is this an Enterprise presentation, or a Toy presentation? 2011-02-09 09:52:31 zoia I blame it on myself 'cos i can't keep anything down,anything down, / However hard i do try, / So talk amongst yourselves while i try to figure it out, figure it out. 2011-02-09 09:52:33 rsinger rsinger has no one to talk to :( 2011-02-09 09:52:37 dchud no one expects the spanish oh nevermind 2011-02-09 09:52:48 tshearerlib pmurray: virtual lightning talks sounds great 2011-02-09 09:52:53 ndushay dang - i thought that was dan lovins 2011-02-09 09:52:54 BillDueber rsinger: No, rsinger has no one to listen to him. 2011-02-09 09:52:56 timmcgeary rsinger: oh bloody hell 2011-02-09 09:53:02 ccurry Ubuntu++ 2011-02-09 09:53:09 eby bess: The preservation strategy. You think the data structure doesn't allow that or drupal itself 2011-02-09 09:53:14 timmcgeary BIllDueber++ 2011-02-09 09:53:17 pmurray tshearerlib: Thanks for the feedback. I think it'd work. Worth a try, anyway. 2011-02-09 09:53:22 rsinger BillDueber: yeah, no one to talk at. that's what i meant 2011-02-09 09:53:27 mbklein I have 4 Advil and 2 Excedrin. Second table from the back. First come, first served. 2011-02-09 09:53:29 decasm_ ubuntu is so cure 2011-02-09 09:53:31 escowles our two weapons are fear, bacon, dongles -- our three weapons... 2011-02-09 09:53:35 decasm_ s/cure/cute/ 2011-02-09 09:53:38 mbklein escowles++ 2011-02-09 09:53:42 bess escowles++ 2011-02-09 09:53:47 julia_ escowles++ 2011-02-09 09:53:49 timmcgeary @ana fear bacon dongles 2011-02-09 09:53:49 zoia timmcgeary: Angel-face or bonds 2011-02-09 09:53:53 lbjay gsf++ 2011-02-09 09:53:57 rsinger but gsf looks cool during his technology FAIL at least 2011-02-09 09:54:11 ecorrado switching_computers-- 2011-02-09 09:54:18 dbs It's the curse of CouchDB live presos 2011-02-09 09:54:21 BillDueber @sing harry nielson : everybody's talkin' at me 2011-02-09 09:54:22 zoia BillDueber: No lyrics found for everybody's talkin' at me by harry nielson 2011-02-09 09:54:23 mbklein gsf++ 2011-02-09 09:54:27 bmljenny Hoot 2011-02-09 09:54:27 escowles gsf is on teevee 2011-02-09 09:54:27 timmcgeary presentation_cam++ 2011-02-09 09:54:27 pmurray large_gsf-- 2011-02-09 09:54:27 BillDueber Hrumph 2011-02-09 09:54:30 dchud gabeyhead 2011-02-09 09:54:35 mbklein dchud++ 2011-02-09 09:54:37 BillDueber Hmmm. none more black. 2011-02-09 09:54:40 csharp projector_issues-- 2011-02-09 09:54:42 maccabee are we watching clips from the blair witch project? 2011-02-09 09:54:43 anna3lc giant gsf: a threat to humanity? 2011-02-09 09:54:44 mbklein @decide gabeyhead or babyhead 2011-02-09 09:54:44 zoia mbklein: go with babyhead 2011-02-09 09:54:47 lbjay wait for it... 2011-02-09 09:54:58 rsinger BUFFERING 2011-02-09 09:55:00 decasm_ *gong* 2011-02-09 09:55:02 erikhatcher gsf: get a mac 2011-02-09 09:55:09 rsinger decasm++ 2011-02-09 09:55:11 emorgan Hello world. 2011-02-09 09:55:13 pberry Are irc logs available? 2011-02-09 09:55:14 timmcgeary decasm++ 2011-02-09 09:55:15 pmurray ^^^ What erikhatcher said 2011-02-09 09:55:18 rsinger erikhatcher: exactly 2011-02-09 09:55:19 paulalbert I sense an upcoming Citizen Kane moment. 2011-02-09 09:55:22 pberry I checked irc.code4lib.org 2011-02-09 09:55:23 jtgorman pberry: not officially anymore 2011-02-09 09:55:25 dbs dbs hatesesss the nasty Kubuntu that crashed on him on the way to the podium for his CowchDB preso 2011-02-09 09:55:26 dchud zoia: no way dude i'm going with gabeyhead all the way. no contest. 2011-02-09 09:55:27 zoia dchud: I don't like hypotheticals, it's like lying to your brain 2011-02-09 09:55:31 escowles pberry: my boss says so 2011-02-09 09:55:34 yo_bj and this is why we don't switch computers 2011-02-09 09:55:34 dlovins erikhatcher++ 2011-02-09 09:55:38 anna3lc gabeyhead++ 2011-02-09 09:55:39 emorgan Irc is brutal 2011-02-09 09:55:41 ecorrado ecorrado starts timer 2011-02-09 09:55:43 rsinger damn you, gsf, and your anarchist ideals for wasting my time 2011-02-09 09:55:50 MrDys rsinger++ 2011-02-09 09:55:50 anarchivist yo_bj: yeah, i elected to not use my laptop afterall 2011-02-09 09:55:51 jtgorman pberry: we stopped...at some point...I think due to technical failures. Might have just been general 2011-02-09 09:55:52 bess eby: I think drupal itself isn't a good preservation strategy. I'm happy to admit that I'm not an expert on drupal. But AFAIK, that's just not what drupal was designed for. Especially in a context like this, where you're creating an expectation of preservation for the community, I'd want the objects stored in a system that was designed for preservation and migration. Since that's not really that hard to do, it seems like a good idea. 2011-02-09 09:55:56 pberry Margret was hoping to see the chat 2011-02-09 09:56:05 ejk The topic says IRC is being logged for the duration of the conference... 2011-02-09 09:56:05 jtgorman well, that was grubby 2011-02-09 09:56:08 rickj pberry: i remember seeing once the conference started it is being archived, so probably eventually 2011-02-09 09:56:10 anna3lc computor!!! 2011-02-09 09:56:14 eefcee slides better be good! 2011-02-09 09:56:15 dchud reboot! 2011-02-09 09:56:16 jrochkind bess: me and atz were talking and realized we really had no idea what made something a good preservation strategy or not. 2011-02-09 09:56:19 jtgorman oh, so it does 2011-02-09 09:56:20 anarchivist bess: we should talk about this more 2011-02-09 09:56:21 timmcgeary rsinger: is it warmer across the pond than here? 2011-02-09 09:56:22 lbjay pberry: it will be published soon 2011-02-09 09:56:22 jtgorman who's logging it? 2011-02-09 09:56:31 atz bess: it's true. 2011-02-09 09:56:34 dbs erikhatcher: if he had a mac, then he'd need to search around for the right proprietary dongle 2011-02-09 09:56:34 mbklein Come back, Ali! Come back, Ali's sister! 2011-02-09 09:56:36 decasm_ ah. he boots straight to X. that's the problem. 2011-02-09 09:56:36 erikhatcher gsf is calm and cool though under pressure. gsf++ # sucks to have projector woes with a packed room twiddling their thumbs (or irc'ing!) about it 2011-02-09 09:56:38 escowles this is why i stopped using linux and got a mac 2011-02-09 09:56:38 lbjay lbjay is logging it 2011-02-09 09:56:41 rsinger timmcgeary: well, i don't know - it's probably slightly warmer in TN than there, though 2011-02-09 09:56:43 lbjay probably others too 2011-02-09 09:56:47 rsinger timmcgeary: i won't know until next week 2011-02-09 09:56:51 maccabee how about one computer running vnc, everyone presenter runs their own server... 2011-02-09 09:56:55 timmcgeary rsinger: it was 19F yesterday 2011-02-09 09:57:00 erikhatcher dbs: one should always carry their proprietary dongles with them. 2011-02-09 09:57:02 rsinger WAIT FOR IT 2011-02-09 09:57:02 dchud rsinger: missin' ya here buddy 2011-02-09 09:57:03 jrochkind erikhatcher: oh wait, there are presentations? I thought we were all just sitting in the same room to irc to each other. 2011-02-09 09:57:05 eefcee live_stream++ 2011-02-09 09:57:09 rsinger WAIT FOR IT 2011-02-09 09:57:11 emorgan ........... 2011-02-09 09:57:14 anarchivist BUFFERING 2011-02-09 09:57:14 anna3lc we are so patient 2011-02-09 09:57:15 emorgan .......... 2011-02-09 09:57:15 anarchivist BUFFERING 2011-02-09 09:57:16 rsinger WAIT FOR IT 2011-02-09 09:57:17 anarchivist BUFFERING 2011-02-09 09:57:19 emorgan ........... 2011-02-09 09:57:19 anarchivist BUFFERING 2011-02-09 09:57:20 rsinger WAIT FOR IT 2011-02-09 09:57:21 dchud go! 2011-02-09 09:57:21 anarchivist BUFFERING 2011-02-09 09:57:21 escowles jrochkind++ 2011-02-09 09:57:22 emorgan .......... 2011-02-09 09:57:23 jaron jaron is all too familiar with ubuntu projector woes 2011-02-09 09:57:24 rsinger WAIT FOR IT 2011-02-09 09:57:26 timmcgeary timmcgeary claps 2011-02-09 09:57:27 emorgan ............ 2011-02-09 09:57:28 jaron gsf++ 2011-02-09 09:57:30 highermath_aw I bought a netbook a while back and attempted to use it for a presentation. I now use it as a fishbowl for Swedish Fish 2011-02-09 09:57:31 anarchivist BUFFERING 2011-02-09 09:57:31 dchud buffering applause... 2011-02-09 09:57:33 mbklein sarcastic_applause++ 2011-02-09 09:57:33 dbs w00t! 2011-02-09 09:57:36 rsinger and he still looks cool 2011-02-09 09:57:40 ejk Hrm... the live stream is stuck on a guy staring at his laptop 2011-02-09 09:57:42 jtgorman I take back what I said about that night in Vegas 2011-02-09 09:57:48 timmcgeary *ding* 2011-02-09 09:57:50 eby bess: I'd argue that it comes down to the strategy and not t he system. An unmaintained database / store is poor regardless what the system was designed for 2011-02-09 09:57:50 erikhatcher dbs: besides, in that audience, how many such dongles are at hand? "is there a macbook pro VGA dongle in the house?" 2011-02-09 09:57:54 decasm_ i've had this problem before, he just needed to restart X. not reboot the whole system. 2011-02-09 09:57:58 akorphan Hey, so what's the best way to ensure smoothness if one is doing a lightning talk? Yesterday people seemed to be using their own computers to decently ok effect 2011-02-09 09:58:01 tokeee How about having a mirror setup so that next presenters can get their machine to work on that while the current presenter talks? 2011-02-09 09:58:02 bmljenny Seriously, why? 2011-02-09 09:58:05 anarchivist @who let the dongles out? 2011-02-09 09:58:05 rsinger WAIT FOR IT 2011-02-09 09:58:06 zoia tekonivel let the dongles out. 2011-02-09 09:58:08 eefcee I wanna see the screen! 2011-02-09 09:58:10 MrDys freestyle it, gsf 2011-02-09 09:58:13 rsinger WAIT FOR IT 2011-02-09 09:58:15 anarchivist akorphan: put your slides on google docs or a USB key 2011-02-09 09:58:16 dbs erikhatcher: Here's one - oh wait, this is a mini-DVI. No, I need the micro-DVI! 2011-02-09 09:58:18 emorgan I bet he runs over his time. 2011-02-09 09:58:18 pmurray akorphan: It is risky, so those people went last. 2011-02-09 09:58:20 rsinger WAIT FOR IT 2011-02-09 09:58:24 csharp sudo service gdm restart 2011-02-09 09:58:27 rsinger WAIT FOR IT 2011-02-09 09:58:28 MrDys grumpy video techs are grumpy 2011-02-09 09:58:29 anna3lc premature_clapping-- 2011-02-09 09:58:29 jtgorman jtgorman is surprised it took that long for a dongle joke 2011-02-09 09:58:33 rsinger WAIT FOR IT 2011-02-09 09:58:36 akorphan anarchivist pmurray: thanks 2011-02-09 09:58:42 jdwyn crash and burn 2011-02-09 09:58:44 pmurray @karma 2011-02-09 09:58:44 zoia pmurray: Highest karma: "mbklein" (422), "edsu" (387), and "anarchivist" (374). Lowest karma: "iii" (-131), "central_IT" (-31), and "solaris" (-17). You (pmurray) are ranked 34 out of 3089. 2011-02-09 09:58:44 rsinger ... 2011-02-09 09:58:45 yitznewton she can't hold much longer! 2011-02-09 09:58:48 ejk sudo rm -rf / 2011-02-09 09:58:49 rsinger WAIT FOR IT 2011-02-09 09:58:49 highermath_aw Does this display make my ass look big? 2011-02-09 09:58:52 jaf this is the best lightning talk ever 2011-02-09 09:58:56 mbklein jaf++ 2011-02-09 09:58:58 akorphan sudo make me a sandwich 2011-02-09 09:59:04 timmcgeary jaf: it will be 2011-02-09 09:59:23 atz akorphan: sudo make -f ./sandwich.recipe 2011-02-09 09:59:24 rsinger @who DOESN'T LIVE HERE ANYMORE? 2011-02-09 09:59:24 zoia sekjal DOESN'T LIVE HERE ANYMORE. 2011-02-09 09:59:26 freqlurker this has been an informative presentation 2011-02-09 09:59:27 maxxkrakoa akorphan++ 2011-02-09 09:59:29 yitznewton chalkboard anyone? 2011-02-09 09:59:31 rsinger WAIT FOR IT 2011-02-09 09:59:39 escowles akorphan: not in sudoers file, request will be logged... 2011-02-09 09:59:40 akorphan atz++ 2011-02-09 09:59:40 maccabee wait i get it, this is postmodern presentation. THIS IS THE PRESENTATION!!! 2011-02-09 09:59:43 sdellis it's in here somewhere 2011-02-09 09:59:44 jdwyn break 4play 2011-02-09 09:59:46 bmljenny Dude, at least play us some background music, 2011-02-09 09:59:48 harvel maccabee++ 2011-02-09 09:59:50 dlovins maccabee++ 2011-02-09 09:59:50 decasm_ wait ... are linux users more or less tech savvy? 2011-02-09 09:59:53 ejk Live stream is STILL stuck on a guy staring at his laptop... 2011-02-09 09:59:54 atz i smell baby 2011-02-09 10:00:00 eefcee maccabee++ 2011-02-09 10:00:02 mbklein I knew that @screw_with_gsf's_screen_resolution plugin I wrote last night would make for a good time. 2011-02-09 10:00:02 dchud ejk: we *all* look like that 2011-02-09 10:00:02 sdellis when in doubt, check google docs 2011-02-09 10:00:02 rsinger still, he looks cool, right? RIGHT? 2011-02-09 10:00:04 tokeee "This is not a presentation" 2011-02-09 10:00:04 jtgorman ubuntu's monitor settings can be goofy.... 2011-02-09 10:00:06 yitznewton so close, and yet 2011-02-09 10:00:09 akorphan ejk++ 2011-02-09 10:00:21 akorphan ejk 2011-02-09 10:00:23 csharp you can be tech-savvy and still suffer from projector hell 2011-02-09 10:00:24 jtgorman jtgorman had to play a while to get his laptop to work with his tv 2011-02-09 10:00:24 akorphan ejk: unless you are serious... 2011-02-09 10:00:26 escowles is this an "untalk"? 2011-02-09 10:00:26 bmljenny Oh shit there's a baby 2011-02-09 10:00:27 dlovins maccabee: like John Cage 4'33 2011-02-09 10:00:29 ndushay he puts the couch in couchdb 2011-02-09 10:00:32 rsinger @later tell gsf This is where your anarchy gets you. 2011-02-09 10:00:32 zoia rsinger: The operation succeeded. 2011-02-09 10:00:35 jtgorman jtgorman looks around for lbjay 2011-02-09 10:00:37 freqlurker *crickets* 2011-02-09 10:00:39 timmcgeary dlovins++ 2011-02-09 10:00:39 ejk ejk raises hand 2011-02-09 10:00:40 dchud time to relax 2011-02-09 10:00:40 knickum HI! 2011-02-09 10:00:41 escowles hi! 2011-02-09 10:00:42 ranti Hi! 2011-02-09 10:00:42 akorphan This isn't just a NoSQL database, it seems to be a NoANYTHING database! 2011-02-09 10:00:43 dbs dbs raises hand 2011-02-09 10:00:43 pberry hi! 2011-02-09 10:00:43 BillDueber BillDueber failed to get it going at least twice 2011-02-09 10:00:45 eefcee Hi! 2011-02-09 10:00:47 timmcgeary Hi, Gabriel 2011-02-09 10:00:47 yitznewton @who puts the DB in CouchDB? 2011-02-09 10:00:48 zoia bess puts the DB in CouchDB. 2011-02-09 10:00:55 ejk CouchDB++ 2011-02-09 10:01:00 BillDueber drool-- 2011-02-09 10:01:00 timmcgeary loaned_baby++ 2011-02-09 10:01:03 rsinger @canuck How many have played with Apache CouchDB? 2011-02-09 10:01:03 zoia rsinger: How many have played with Apawchee CoachDB?, eh? 2011-02-09 10:01:07 highermath It seems to me that if his presentation is in GoogleDocs, he could have used the stock box 2011-02-09 10:01:08 dchud gsf_++ # sucks to go through what he just went through 2011-02-09 10:01:08 eby anarchivist: I should talk to you as well 2011-02-09 10:01:16 anarchivist @dunno add This is where your anarchy gets you. 2011-02-09 10:01:16 zoia anarchivist: The operation succeeded. Dunno #1125 added. 2011-02-09 10:01:18 yitznewton gsf_++ 2011-02-09 10:01:18 eby anarchivist: About data and shit 2011-02-09 10:01:22 dchud pictures_of_other_peoples_babies++ 2011-02-09 10:01:23 lbjay these technical issues remind me of https://twitter.com/#!/diveintomark/statuses/22458230869336064 2011-02-09 10:01:26 pberry All presentations must have baby photos now, I'm not sure about this 2011-02-09 10:01:39 escowles gsf++ # i would have bailed 2011-02-09 10:01:39 atz pberry: baby_bacon 2011-02-09 10:01:43 timmcgeary @ana couch db 2011-02-09 10:01:44 zoia timmcgeary: Cod chub 2011-02-09 10:01:50 druthb pictures_of_babies++ 2011-02-09 10:01:51 knickum or dark blobs where disembodied baby heads would be 2011-02-09 10:01:55 yitznewton @ana restful couch 2011-02-09 10:01:55 anarchivist eby: yeah sure thing 2011-02-09 10:01:56 zoia yitznewton: Useful crotch 2011-02-09 10:01:58 highermath bmljenny: there's a baby. Oh. Shit... 2011-02-09 10:02:06 timmcgeary zoia++ 2011-02-09 10:02:10 ejk Pink_Unknown_Box++ 2011-02-09 10:02:24 lbjay jaysawn 2011-02-09 10:02:25 dbs highermath: I assume he's got couchdb running on his laptop, just like I did during my live demo fail 2011-02-09 10:02:25 knickum zoia++ awkward! 2011-02-09 10:02:25 zoia knickum: dub tee eff? 2011-02-09 10:02:27 ranti OK. Whose baby I could borrow for my future presentations? 2011-02-09 10:02:31 jtgorman dlovins++ 2011-02-09 10:02:34 pberry Also, network is very solid today 2011-02-09 10:02:36 rsinger @decide jaysawn or jason 2011-02-09 10:02:36 zoia rsinger: go with jaysawn 2011-02-09 10:02:36 pberry Yay 2011-02-09 10:02:46 erikhatcher fear the demo 2011-02-09 10:02:46 rsinger huh, totally working against me today 2011-02-09 10:03:07 MrDys @decide jaysawn or jaron 2011-02-09 10:03:07 zoia MrDys: go with jaysawn 2011-02-09 10:03:13 escowles ranti: i've got a lightly-used 3yo you could borrow 2011-02-09 10:03:24 anarchivist @ana lightly-used three year old 2011-02-09 10:03:25 zoia anarchivist: Trustily grey-headed hello 2011-02-09 10:03:35 bohyunkim @ranti use my dogs instead? don't kidnap babies plz 2011-02-09 10:03:35 zoia bohyunkim: All that karma and that's the best you can do??? I'm *so* disappointed in you -- your mother and I both are. 2011-02-09 10:03:36 ranti escowles: cool. Thx in advance. 2011-02-09 10:03:44 erikhatcher futon- LOL 2011-02-09 10:04:03 jtgorman how many couchdb presentations have there been at code4lib? 2011-02-09 10:04:04 decasm_ replicate? or sync? 2011-02-09 10:04:04 akorphan @cyborg CouchDB 2011-02-09 10:04:05 MrDys chaiseDB 2011-02-09 10:04:06 zoia akorphan: C.O.U.C.H.D.B.: Cybernetic Operational Unit Calibrated for Hazardous Destruction and Battle 2011-02-09 10:04:15 MrDys DaybedDB 2011-02-09 10:04:19 ejk Somebody need to create BONG to interface Couch with Blacklight 2011-02-09 10:04:20 ranti zoia++ 2011-02-09 10:04:25 rsinger @translationparty we have known knowns, unknown knowns, known unknowns and unknown unknowns. 2011-02-09 10:04:27 bmljenny DavenportDB 2011-02-09 10:04:27 anarchivist ejk++ 2011-02-09 10:04:29 bohyunkim zoia: huh? >.< must have missed sth 2011-02-09 10:04:29 zoia bohyunkim: what can i get you? http://bit.ly/bLdsrJ 2011-02-09 10:04:30 MrDys ejk++ 2011-02-09 10:04:34 erikhatcher ejk++ 2011-02-09 10:04:35 akorphan FlipNFoldDB 2011-02-09 10:04:37 ranti bohyunkim: your dogs might work too. :-) 2011-02-09 10:04:45 zoia rsinger: We are unknown knowns, unknown knowns are known to the unknown known known. 2011-02-09 10:04:50 bmljenny ChesterfieldDB 2011-02-09 10:04:53 yitznewton overused_couch_idiom-- 2011-02-09 10:04:59 druthb droning_voices_early_in_the_day-- # Show us some excitement! 2011-02-09 10:04:59 bohyunkim zoia: lolz 2011-02-09 10:05:00 zoia bohyunkim: I CAN HAS CHEEZBURGER? 2011-02-09 10:05:01 timmcgeary @ana flexible validation 2011-02-09 10:05:01 zoia timmcgeary: Laxative of blind lie 2011-02-09 10:05:06 ksclarke ksclarke is curious about the format for the _changes feed 2011-02-09 10:05:06 yitznewton stream_fail-- 2011-02-09 10:05:07 MrDys DavenportDB 2011-02-09 10:05:09 pberry I can't help but link to http://teddziuba.com/2010/03/i-cant-wait-for-nosql-to-die.html 2011-02-09 10:05:10 jillern loveseatDB? 2011-02-09 10:05:17 mbklein edsu: I fear gsf is going to run into that "LEAD WITH YOUR DEMO" lesson. 2011-02-09 10:05:23 pjb1 papasanDB 2011-02-09 10:05:32 decasm_ pberry: i don't think any technology will ever die 2011-02-09 10:05:35 ranti pjb1++ 2011-02-09 10:05:36 mbklein edsu: Unless that was dchud who brought that up yesterday, in which case, never mind. :) 2011-02-09 10:05:51 scolford @decide suDOO or suDOH 2011-02-09 10:05:51 zoia scolford: go with suDOH 2011-02-09 10:06:02 decasm_ soD'OH 2011-02-09 10:06:10 decasm_ suD'OH 2011-02-09 10:06:18 rsinger mbklein: that's a dchud-ism :) 2011-02-09 10:07:17 pjb1 puppies++ 2011-02-09 10:07:17 timmcgeary Where's the beef? 2011-02-09 10:07:20 ejk puppy++ 2011-02-09 10:07:30 MrDys yay, mustache! 2011-02-09 10:07:38 escowles mustache? 2011-02-09 10:07:43 mbklein Why isn't it moustache? 2011-02-09 10:07:44 anarchivist require 'lib/neckbeard' 2011-02-09 10:07:48 MrDys http://mustache.github.com/ 2011-02-09 10:07:50 timmcgeary @ana lib mustache 2011-02-09 10:07:50 zoia timmcgeary: I am the clubs 2011-02-09 10:07:53 MrDys you'll hear more about that in my talk 2011-02-09 10:07:54 rsinger Must Ache 2011-02-09 10:07:59 BillDueber "Feeling hip, upper lip! Mustache!" 2011-02-09 10:08:15 anarchivist @ana whiskerando 2011-02-09 10:08:15 zoia anarchivist: Kind as whore 2011-02-09 10:08:35 dchud mbklein: huh? 2011-02-09 10:08:43 dchud oh nevermind. 2011-02-09 10:08:44 atz zoia-- 2011-02-09 10:08:45 bmljenny Models would be nice. Supermodels would be better 2011-02-09 10:08:50 mbklein dchud: OK. :) 2011-02-09 10:09:00 pmurray By the way, hopefully without jinxing it: today code4lib_network++ (thanks for the extra access points) 2011-02-09 10:09:01 rsinger bmljenny: libraries don't have the budget for that 2011-02-09 10:09:02 decasm_ ooh. mustache looks innerestin 2011-02-09 10:09:03 lbjay there is also http://requirejs.org/ 2011-02-09 10:09:04 anarchivist @sing rupaul : supermodel 2011-02-09 10:09:05 zoia anarchivist: No lyrics found for supermodel by rupaul 2011-02-09 10:09:11 anarchivist @sing ru paul : supermodel 2011-02-09 10:09:12 zoia anarchivist: No lyrics found for supermodel by ru paul 2011-02-09 10:09:14 dchud er, if anybody can answer "huh?" i'd still like to know. 2011-02-09 10:09:18 atz network has been solid so far 2011-02-09 10:09:21 jtgorman pmurray: really? It's flakier for me today 2011-02-09 10:09:22 rsinger @huh? 2011-02-09 10:09:23 zoia rsinger: i'm sorry phase_bb but your auuwt. auf wiedersehen. 2011-02-09 10:09:24 mbklein @sing jill sobule : supermodel 2011-02-09 10:09:24 bmljenny Work it! Sashay, chante! 2011-02-09 10:09:25 bess dchud: eh? 2011-02-09 10:09:26 zoia I don't care what my teachers say / I'm gonna be a supermodel. / Everyone is gonna dress like me, 2011-02-09 10:09:30 anarchivist dchud: what-ho! 2011-02-09 10:09:36 dchud bess: ho! 2011-02-09 10:09:40 pmurray jtgorman: Yeah, the network has been very solid for me today. 2011-02-09 10:09:42 dchud anarchivist: jinx 2011-02-09 10:09:56 BillDueber jill_sobule++ # love love love that album 2011-02-09 10:10:08 mbklein dchud: I wrote "edsu: I fear gsf is going to run into that "LEAD WITH YOUR DEMO" lesson." 2011-02-09 10:10:09 pmurray I'm on Code4Lib-N now, which was just awful yesterday 2011-02-09 10:10:16 mbklein dchud: Then I realized it should have been you, not ed. 2011-02-09 10:10:37 dchud mbklein: oh, right, i kept looking for what edsu said that you were responding to 2011-02-09 10:10:41 freqlurker 5 mins to bring this all home, gsf 2011-02-09 10:10:44 dchud dchud needs caffeine 2011-02-09 10:10:52 jaf animal_pics++ 2011-02-09 10:10:56 mbklein BillDueber: Not a bad track on that album. 2011-02-09 10:10:58 dlovins neotony++ 2011-02-09 10:11:05 alxp LoC joke in the onion http://www.theonion.com/articles/library-of-congress-adds-3-titles-to-list-of-films,19106/ 2011-02-09 10:11:07 anarchivist @sing doobie brothers : what a fool believes 2011-02-09 10:11:08 zoia As he rises to her apology, / anybody else would surely know / he's watching her go. / But what a fool believes he sees, 2011-02-09 10:11:13 ejk @sing rupaul : Supermodel (You Better Work) 2011-02-09 10:11:14 zoia you better work ( cover girl )work it girl ( give a twirl )do your thing on the runwaywork ( supermodel... )you better work it, girl ( ...of the world )wet your lips and make love to the camerawork, turn to the leftwork, now turn to the rightwork, sashay shante it don’t matter what you wearthey’re checkin’ out your savior faireand it don’t matter what you docause everything looks good on you ...supermodelyou better (2 more messages) 2011-02-09 10:11:22 pmurray @twit --id 35352226151010304 2011-02-09 10:11:22 zoia pmurray: Library Of Congress Adds 3 Titles To List Of Films That Should Be Destroyed Forever http://onion.com/eFBPAA 2011-02-09 10:11:37 dchud anarchivist: CHALLENGE! michael mcdonald soundalike competition if Ask Anything lulls too much 2011-02-09 10:11:43 pmurray Ack -- alxp beat me to it. 2011-02-09 10:11:58 anarchivist dchud: no, i'm afraid that has to happen in the hospitality suite 2011-02-09 10:12:05 MrDys that's pretty cool 2011-02-09 10:12:11 dchud anarchivist: awww. 2011-02-09 10:12:12 MrDys @scalia special documents 2011-02-09 10:12:12 zoia MrDys: special 'documents' 2011-02-09 10:12:13 dbs dbs has his mind blown - JavaScript apps inside a JSON store 2011-02-09 10:12:14 jaron this data model stuff + validations + display makes couch more interesting. I want to see the code 2011-02-09 10:12:15 rsinger o/~ I keep forgettin' we're not love anymore... baaaa-by o/~ 2011-02-09 10:12:17 mbklein pmurray: For future reference (and faster response), you can just paste the tweet URL anywhere in channel and zoia will find it. http://twitter.com/TheOnion/status/35352226151010304 2011-02-09 10:12:17 zoia Library Of Congress Adds 3 Titles To List Of Films That Should Be Destroyed Forever http://onion.com/eFBPAA 2011-02-09 10:12:18 atz it's like JSON filtering JSON.... 2011-02-09 10:12:19 anarchivist design document? that sounds pretty enterprisey to me 2011-02-09 10:12:34 anarchivist dchud: you missed it last night 2011-02-09 10:12:36 dchud pmurray: that's awesome. 2011-02-09 10:12:37 rsinger wait, the michael mcdonald soundalike competition isn't happening? 2011-02-09 10:12:40 pmurray mbklein++ Cool. 2011-02-09 10:12:43 anarchivist rsinger: not during ask anything. 2011-02-09 10:12:46 rsinger rsinger would totally skype that shit in 2011-02-09 10:12:48 bess alxp++ 2011-02-09 10:12:49 ejk Yo dawg, I heard you like javascript 2011-02-09 10:12:53 anarchivist rsinger++ 2011-02-09 10:12:55 dchud dchud would totally skype rsinger in 2011-02-09 10:13:05 pmurray dchud: The virtual lightning talk idea? 2011-02-09 10:13:05 jstirnaman @sing black flag : black coffee 2011-02-09 10:13:07 zoia Imagination turns thoughts, reason can't change / Staring at the walls, think I know what I see / Anger and coffee, feeling mean / Drinking black coffee, black coffee, drinking black coffee, staring at the wall 2011-02-09 10:13:07 scolford rsinger++ 2011-02-09 10:13:21 mbklein DEMO DEMO EMO DEMO 2011-02-09 10:13:26 anarchivist @sing black flag : tv party 2011-02-09 10:13:26 mbklein "emo demo"? 2011-02-09 10:13:28 zoia To our favorite shows! / I wouldn't be without me T.V. for a day / Or even for a minute! / Don't even bother to use my brain anymore 2011-02-09 10:13:29 dbs jstirnaman++ 2011-02-09 10:13:29 MrDys @hussein couchdb 2011-02-09 10:13:29 zoia MrDys: Chic bush undoes 2011-02-09 10:13:35 rsinger "white belt" 2011-02-09 10:13:37 pmurray dchud: ...or The Onion article? 2011-02-09 10:13:48 freqlurker @sing descendants : coffee mug 2011-02-09 10:13:48 anarchivist @ana solr white belt or solr black belt 2011-02-09 10:13:49 zoia freqlurker: No lyrics found for coffee mug by descendants 2011-02-09 10:13:50 zoia anarchivist: Blowback thriller to losers 2011-02-09 10:13:53 duspal You dawg, I heard you like Javascript functions, so I var fun = function(func); 2011-02-09 10:13:54 scolford I found some Lucene in the couch last time I vacuumed. Who stuck that there? 2011-02-09 10:13:56 rsinger 1 second 2011-02-09 10:13:56 pberry Web scale? 2011-02-09 10:14:05 jstirnaman freqlurker++ 2011-02-09 10:14:11 dchud pmurray: the onion article :) 2011-02-09 10:14:11 timmcgeary Is scaling up sorta like marrying up? 2011-02-09 10:14:19 anna3lc i sense tension 2011-02-09 10:14:19 bess duspal++ :) 2011-02-09 10:14:23 anarchivist toys++ 2011-02-09 10:14:26 pmurray dchud: Yep. 2011-02-09 10:14:29 anarchivist @sing magas : toys 2011-02-09 10:14:30 zoia anarchivist: No lyrics found for toys by magas 2011-02-09 10:14:35 abarrera timmcgeary++ 2011-02-09 10:14:42 rsinger maybe gsf didn't get the memo. No Toys. 2011-02-09 10:14:48 csharp android++ 2011-02-09 10:14:48 atz we should adopt the term "enterprish" 2011-02-09 10:14:51 lbjay my phone runs couchdb too! 2011-02-09 10:15:02 rsinger @later tell gsf No toys. 2011-02-09 10:15:02 zoia rsinger: The operation succeeded. 2011-02-09 10:15:08 bmljenny Ok you have one minute left for your demo 2011-02-09 10:15:10 pberry Fish? 2011-02-09 10:15:12 anarchivist @ana zines tools fish 2011-02-09 10:15:13 zoia anarchivist: Foolish zest sin 2011-02-09 10:15:17 timmcgeary atz: I prefer enterprisiness 2011-02-09 10:15:17 mbklein I ran jetty+solr on my jailbroken iPad. It was AWESOME. Completely useless, of course, but whatchagonnado? 2011-02-09 10:15:18 lbjay i think he probably didn't mean to say "down side" 2011-02-09 10:15:22 ndushay baby_cheetah++ 2011-02-09 10:15:25 jaf gsf++ 2011-02-09 10:15:31 csharp gsf_++ 2011-02-09 10:15:33 erikhatcher grrawr 2011-02-09 10:15:37 scolford gsf++ 2011-02-09 10:15:39 ejk ejk claps 2011-02-09 10:15:41 atz timmcgeary: sounds good 2011-02-09 10:15:42 dlovins gsf++ 2011-02-09 10:15:42 timmcgeary break++ 2011-02-09 10:15:43 ecorrado coffee!!!!!!!!!! 2011-02-09 10:15:45 erikhatcher gsf++ 2011-02-09 10:15:59 ejk And... BREAK! 2011-02-09 10:16:02 rsinger whew, now i can be productive 2011-02-09 10:16:09 csharp rsinger: right! 2011-02-09 10:16:14 decasm_ one spot left 2011-02-09 10:16:23 eby rsinger: You mean brew more coffee 2011-02-09 10:16:32 CaptSolo coffee++ 2011-02-09 10:16:39 eefcee dlf flips! 2011-02-09 10:16:42 ejk coffee++ 2011-02-09 10:16:43 decasm_ boo yah! i've got a business card on me! 2011-02-09 10:16:56 bess bess still doesn't have business cards 2011-02-09 10:17:02 eby Damn this muffin is dry. Star bucks must have raided the hospitality suite leftovers 2011-02-09 10:17:12 ranti bess: use napkin instead. ;-) 2011-02-09 10:17:19 eefcee my card won't fit through the live_stream... 2011-02-09 10:18:00 bess ranti++ :) 2011-02-09 10:21:30 akorphan If I had known there would be NO BREAK SNACKS, I would have prepared at breakfast! 2011-02-09 10:21:42 akorphan Whoa, sorry, prima donna moment there. 2011-02-09 10:23:01 MrDys akorphan: nah...I had the same thought, too 2011-02-09 10:24:09 ejk akorphan: And somebody forgot to take the brown M&Ms out of the bowl! 2011-02-09 10:24:39 akorphan ejk: Interestingly, Van Halen had a legitimate reason for that contract rider.... 2011-02-09 10:25:40 ejk akorphan: Yeah, it was their litmus test as to whether the whole thing had been read 2011-02-09 10:25:52 akorphan ejk: Yeah. Kind of an anti-honeypot 2011-02-09 10:26:34 ejk I do recall that DLR said if it wasn't met that they had free riegn to trash the place. =) 2011-02-09 10:26:59 ejk s/riegn/reign 2011-02-09 10:27:46 anna3lc beverage FAIL 2011-02-09 10:28:18 jaf anna3lc++ 2011-02-09 10:29:14 erikhatcher bess: what good does it do to print biz cards for you? you keep changing titles! 2011-02-09 10:29:25 dan64 not even coffee for the break :-( 2011-02-09 10:29:53 chelociraptor starbucks++ 2011-02-09 10:30:07 gsf moral of the story: my machine sucks 2011-02-09 10:30:18 jaron jaron was hoping from some hot water for tea 2011-02-09 10:30:53 dileshni_ does anyone else feel cold in here? 2011-02-09 10:31:00 rsinger in IRC? 2011-02-09 10:31:10 dileshni_ oh wait, i meant the room 2011-02-09 10:31:19 timmcgeary dileshni_: no, I feel just about right 2011-02-09 10:31:33 dileshni_ ah i need to layer up then 2011-02-09 10:31:39 gsf dileshni_: it feels a little too warm to me 2011-02-09 10:31:54 jeff HVAC services brought to you by the Three Bears, LLC 2011-02-09 10:32:00 dileshni_ gsf: really?? are you on your 4th cup of coffee? 2011-02-09 10:32:19 jtgorman I'm fine, but I run warm 2011-02-09 10:33:33 ejk jeff++ 2011-02-09 10:33:40 pberry dileshni: Yeah, it's a bit on the cool side...either that or I just have chills from the bird flu 2011-02-09 10:33:44 gsf dileshni: no just one but might as well be 2011-02-09 10:34:03 jtgorman of course, I'm also sitting towards the front 2011-02-09 10:34:05 timmcgeary timmcgeary is already thinking about a nap 2011-02-09 10:34:14 dileshni pberry: hope i'm not catching whatever you have! 2011-02-09 10:34:26 jtgorman I suspect the folks in the back are getting regular blasts of cold from that door 2011-02-09 10:34:29 pberry dileshni: Nonsense, it's awesome 2011-02-09 10:35:07 dileshni pberry: you must have a kind of bird flu i haven't heard of 2011-02-09 10:35:48 ejk CONSARS-- 2011-02-09 10:36:16 atz leave_no_libber_behind 2011-02-09 10:36:22 dileshni what happened on sunday at the airport? 2011-02-09 10:36:28 helrond don't get left behind in the code4lib rapture 2011-02-09 10:36:34 anna3lc dileshni: we do not speak of it 2011-02-09 10:36:38 atz dileshni: some ppl didn't have reservations for the shuttle 2011-02-09 10:36:49 BillDueber Boo XML! Boo Metadata! 2011-02-09 10:36:57 gsf :) 2011-02-09 10:36:58 timmcgeary helrond: Left Behind: The Code4Lib Chronicles? 2011-02-09 10:37:02 lbjay that dude is smart 2011-02-09 10:37:04 dileshni anna3lc: alrighty 2011-02-09 10:37:05 MrDys funner++ 2011-02-09 10:37:09 BillDueber flyingzumwalt++ 2011-02-09 10:37:10 KingNightWolf what is metadata ??? 2011-02-09 10:37:19 anarchivist flyingzumwalt++ 2011-02-09 10:37:20 helrond timmcgeary: yes. all of them 2011-02-09 10:37:28 anna3lc dileshni: actually i have no idea i am just messing around :) 2011-02-09 10:37:29 timmcgeary om? code4lib yoga? 2011-02-09 10:37:35 erikhatcher om++ 2011-02-09 10:37:43 lbjay ndushay++ 2011-02-09 10:37:49 BillDueber oooooooo! Flying stuff 2011-02-09 10:37:51 timmcgeary shout_outs++ 2011-02-09 10:37:55 gsf prezi+- 2011-02-09 10:37:57 jtgorman dileshni: apparently from what I heard the shuttle company booked more reservations/sold tickets than they had seats for 2011-02-09 10:38:06 ndushay MODS-- 2011-02-09 10:38:07 timmcgeary prezi++ 2011-02-09 10:38:10 BillDueber mods-- 2011-02-09 10:38:13 jaron mods-- 2011-02-09 10:38:14 maccabee ah 2010, a simpler time 2011-02-09 10:38:20 zoia i could have sworn i sniffed the mnotess before i put it in there 2011-02-09 10:38:25 MrDys so he went with prezi after all 2011-02-09 10:38:27 dileshni jtgorman: ah i see. Should make my reservation now then 2011-02-09 10:38:27 lbjay @rate modders modsers 2011-02-09 10:38:29 charper Love seeing all the mods decrementing... 2011-02-09 10:38:30 zoia lbjay: modders: 2.0; modsers: ?. modders sucks! 2011-02-09 10:38:31 pjb1 fonts++ 2011-02-09 10:38:37 mbklein I'm back! (speaking of "annoying and strange") 2011-02-09 10:38:42 KingNightWolf yea for prezi I'm glad people are using it 2011-02-09 10:38:56 timmcgeary I wanted to go with Prezi, but was worried about technology fail 2011-02-09 10:39:13 BillDueber timmcgeary: Me too. Flakey network scared me off 2011-02-09 10:39:32 anarchivist om++ 2011-02-09 10:39:33 atz i actually disagree with that... if you don't let the tech "dictate", then you aren't selecting the tech based on its purpose/usefulness 2011-02-09 10:39:35 KingNightWolf yes like sucky wirless yea we got that 2011-02-09 10:39:37 timmcgeary BillDueber: I would have downloaded it to run locally, but just worried the PC wouldn't like that 2011-02-09 10:39:48 mbklein I like Prezi a lot, but they need to make it easier to use (in create/edit mode) and much harder to bork your entire layout with a single errant click. 2011-02-09 10:39:55 atz use the right tool for the job. fitness to purpose. 2011-02-09 10:39:56 anna3lc what is good about prezi? 2011-02-09 10:40:02 xml this talk is fucking crazy 2011-02-09 10:40:14 gsf anna3lc: it has tons of snaz 2011-02-09 10:40:20 mbklein gsf++ 2011-02-09 10:40:21 xml @ana tons of snaz 2011-02-09 10:40:22 zoia xml: Oz fans snot 2011-02-09 10:40:27 MrDys @hussein tons of snaz 2011-02-09 10:40:28 zoia MrDys: Zones snoutish fans 2011-02-09 10:40:34 ndushay flyingzumwalt: has lots of snaz 2011-02-09 10:40:36 decasm_ snaz is good cuz it covers up a lack of content 2011-02-09 10:40:38 timmcgeary anna3lc: non-linear presentation 2011-02-09 10:40:46 KingNightWolf snaz and that's it !! 2011-02-09 10:41:01 mbklein anna3lc: When used correctly, it forces you to think of your presentation as a layered whole, rather than a sequential death march to the end. 2011-02-09 10:41:06 atz there's only 3 english words on there 2011-02-09 10:41:06 anna3lc snaz-- 2011-02-09 10:41:08 anarchivist libxml2++ 2011-02-09 10:41:19 gsf wireless is better today yes? mcdonald++ 2011-02-09 10:41:19 timmcgeary mbklein++ 2011-02-09 10:41:26 BillDueber BillDueber has gotta plug the almost-release java_native nokogiri for jruby 2011-02-09 10:41:35 pmurray gsf: Agreed! 2011-02-09 10:41:36 anna3lc mbklein: interesting 2011-02-09 10:41:45 timmcgeary @ana om nokogiri xml 2011-02-09 10:41:46 zoia timmcgeary: Mix on grim look 2011-02-09 10:41:49 mbklein I'd say it goes beyond snaz and achieves schnazz. 2011-02-09 10:41:49 KingNightWolf yup the wirless is much better today 2011-02-09 10:42:07 ejk github++ 2011-02-09 10:42:14 atz github++ #again! 2011-02-09 10:42:15 mbklein anna3lc: I have what I think is a reasonably decent example if you want to take a look at it after. 2011-02-09 10:42:17 KingNightWolf I wonder if they changed anything from yesterday 2011-02-09 10:42:22 timmcgeary anna3lc: prezi has a free EDU license, too, which is greater than free public license 2011-02-09 10:42:25 jtgorman github++ 2011-02-09 10:42:30 rickj http://github.com/mediashelf/om 2011-02-09 10:42:32 pmurray KingNightWolf: Yeah, they added four access points along the wall beside us. 2011-02-09 10:42:51 dbs gsf++ # way to hang in there 2011-02-09 10:43:12 KingNightWolf I see nice !! 2011-02-09 10:43:12 gsf dbs: thanks 2011-02-09 10:43:30 akorphan lightning talk slides: slided! 2011-02-09 10:43:44 ndushay i'm groaning b/c i am realizing i can think in Solr schema. ugh. 2011-02-09 10:43:48 dbs gsf: it's a *ubuntu + couchdb + thinkpad + code4lib curse I think 2011-02-09 10:44:08 tbw think in XML? 2011-02-09 10:44:19 gsf dbs: i really should have heeded your warnings 2011-02-09 10:44:48 mbklein gsf: He does the best with you he can. 2011-02-09 10:44:58 gsf i'm a terrible mentee 2011-02-09 10:45:12 mbklein @sing sting : shadows in the rain : best with 2011-02-09 10:45:13 zoia I woke up in my clothes again this morning / I don't know exactly where I am / And I should heed my doctor's warning / He does the best with me he can 2011-02-09 10:45:32 decasm_ gsf: whenever i intend to present w/ linux, i go early and figure out what i need to make it work in advance 2011-02-09 10:45:38 atz droning... 2011-02-09 10:45:40 ndushay so is this another attempt at a lingua franca, except the lingua franca is mutable? 2011-02-09 10:45:48 pmurray bacon_shot++ 2011-02-09 10:45:55 decasm_ 2011-02-09 10:46:08 mbklein I thought bacon *was* the lingua franca 2011-02-09 10:46:08 gsf decasm_: yeah i came by this morning when mcdonald said i should but they were already too busy setting up 2011-02-09 10:46:11 freqlurker ndushay++ # big words 2011-02-09 10:46:26 decasm_ gsf: ah. tough. 2011-02-09 10:46:27 ndushay i guess i'd rather think in solr schema than in xpath. 2011-02-09 10:46:40 ndushay xpath can get pretty squirrel? 2011-02-09 10:46:52 timmcgeary @decide solr schema or xpath 2011-02-09 10:46:52 zoia timmcgeary: go with xpath 2011-02-09 10:46:53 mbklein lingua capicola 2011-02-09 10:46:53 MrDys @ana pretty squirrel 2011-02-09 10:46:54 zoia MrDys: Squirt try leper 2011-02-09 10:46:58 timmcgeary zoia-- 2011-02-09 10:46:59 ndushay s/squirrel/squirrelly/ 2011-02-09 10:47:00 atz basic xpath is really useful... the full spec is a bitch to implement though 2011-02-09 10:47:01 jaron if you need to maintain and update your xml as xml then this seems more reasonable. i don't want to maintain xml, but just serialize how i'm storing my data to whatever xml i need 2011-02-09 10:47:15 mbklein rdoc.info++ 2011-02-09 10:47:18 anna3lc knees 2011-02-09 10:47:23 gsf bacons with legs 2011-02-09 10:47:26 freqlurker nice knees 2011-02-09 10:47:27 akorphan ack, naked man legs. 2011-02-09 10:47:31 decasm_ jaron: skip xml completely, go with yaml 2011-02-09 10:47:32 mbklein socks 2011-02-09 10:47:32 timmcgeary black socks w/ shorts? 2011-02-09 10:47:33 ndushay wait - is om for the metadata itself, or for the metadata scheme? 2011-02-09 10:47:36 escowles weird_bacon_shot-- 2011-02-09 10:47:39 duspal hiked_up_socks_and_shorts-- 2011-02-09 10:47:41 jrochkind i don't entirely get it 2011-02-09 10:47:42 atz pasty 2011-02-09 10:47:43 mbklein timmcgeary: How do you know there are shorts? 2011-02-09 10:47:45 jaron decasm_: sometimes I need to export mods 2011-02-09 10:47:45 akorphan are those black socks or very tight boots? 2011-02-09 10:47:46 ranti_ bacon_and_socks-- 2011-02-09 10:47:54 timmcgeary mbklein: hence the ? 2011-02-09 10:47:56 anna3lc floppy_bacon-- 2011-02-09 10:47:56 dileshni very tight boots 2011-02-09 10:47:56 atz i don't entirely get the *motivation* 2011-02-09 10:47:57 bmljenny Bacon and nopants 2011-02-09 10:48:01 ejk naked_man_legs-- 2011-02-09 10:48:03 cazzerson leather socks? 2011-02-09 10:48:05 mbklein real_people-- 2011-02-09 10:48:18 bess ndushay: You can specify your metadata schema in OM, and then that allows you to interact with the XML by referring to your terminology, instead of by referring to lots of XPATH statements. 2011-02-09 10:48:19 anarchivist @sing pissed jeans : caught licking leather 2011-02-09 10:48:21 zoia anarchivist: No lyrics found for caught licking leather by pissed jeans 2011-02-09 10:48:21 timmcgeary bacon_grease_splash-- 2011-02-09 10:48:23 edsu they think in terms of Bacon and Socks! 2011-02-09 10:48:23 ndushay mbklein++ 2011-02-09 10:48:26 mbklein mbklein dreams in XML 2011-02-09 10:48:27 akorphan creepy and bacon are never to be mixed! 2011-02-09 10:48:29 jrochkind bess++ 2011-02-09 10:48:34 atz what, my XML presentation layer isn't useful anymore? 2011-02-09 10:48:37 decasm_ nightmares in XML? 2011-02-09 10:48:39 timmcgeary @ana bacon socks 2011-02-09 10:48:40 zoia timmcgeary: Cabs conk so 2011-02-09 10:48:42 pberry mbklein: Those are nightmares 2011-02-09 10:48:48 ranti_ think_from_users_perspective++ 2011-02-09 10:48:48 jrochkind is OM a... ruby gem? Can I use it in my own non-Hydra code? 2011-02-09 10:48:52 bmljenny Cooking bacon and naked are never to be mixed 2011-02-09 10:48:55 jaron jrochkind: yes 2011-02-09 10:48:59 jrochkind sweet 2011-02-09 10:49:01 escowles @ana real people 2011-02-09 10:49:02 bess jrochkind: yes, it's a ruby gem and yes you can use it in non-hydra code 2011-02-09 10:49:02 zoia escowles: Pole a leper 2011-02-09 10:49:05 dchud fyi, w/r/t Diane's keynote - i've been exchanging email with LC folks doing RDA testing, they'd be glad for any feedback on the test records, such as they are. i'm happy to mediate if appropriate/desired. 2011-02-09 10:49:06 timmcgeary but are they well-formed XML nightmares? 2011-02-09 10:49:15 mbklein bmljenny++ PRACTICAL WISDOM 2011-02-09 10:49:39 edsu dchud: i would be curious how diane's "get over marc" relates to the rda/marc records up at loc.gov 2011-02-09 10:49:51 ndushay so this is a way to have user terms --> xml of your metadata scheme, but you need to write xpath to create the terms --> xml mapping. 2011-02-09 10:49:57 dchud edsu: is that something i can answer? 2011-02-09 10:50:03 edsu dchud: i doubt it :-) 2011-02-09 10:50:04 bess ndushay: yes, that's right 2011-02-09 10:50:10 jrochkind ndushay: you write the xpath ONCE and then your code can use the mappings. I think? 2011-02-09 10:50:14 jaron ndushay: om takes care of creating the xpaths kinda 2011-02-09 10:50:16 ndushay like i said, i just think in Solr schema. just put a "title" field in the Solr schema. 2011-02-09 10:50:20 bess ndushay: you do have to figure out the xpath the first time 2011-02-09 10:50:27 ndushay skip the whole data model. 2011-02-09 10:50:34 ndushay !@#$!@#$ the data model. 2011-02-09 10:50:37 pmurray I wonder what kind of computing overhead this adds... 2011-02-09 10:50:42 ndushay i hate data models. 2011-02-09 10:50:43 cbeer ndushay++ 2011-02-09 10:50:46 dchud edsu: i think i'm trying to say that there's a lot of room for people here (in channel, code4libbers, whatever) to propose new things here. 2011-02-09 10:50:49 timmcgeary wearing_too_many_hats-- 2011-02-09 10:50:56 escowles ndushay++ # f the data model 2011-02-09 10:50:58 edsu dchud: new things where? 2011-02-09 10:51:07 anarchivist @sing men without hats 2011-02-09 10:51:08 zoia I got a woman inside / Uh Huh / Oooh Yeah / I said, hey men. 2011-02-09 10:51:10 ranti_ ... 2011-02-09 10:51:16 jrochkind ndushay: That way of thinking doesn't work for me. Your Solr schema is optimized for filling the actual search use cases you have, it's not a general purpose data schema for your data that is effective anywhere outside of solr, neccesarily. A solr schema can have lots of duplication and de-normalization. 2011-02-09 10:51:18 eby @whocares data model 2011-02-09 10:51:20 zoia eby: I can't find anyone who loves or hates data model. 2011-02-09 10:51:24 bess ndushay: alas, when you have a bunch of heterogeneous XML, "title" just isn't easily definable, especially across data types. It's REALLY nice to be able to have mappings for marc.title and ead.title and eems.title etc etc etc 2011-02-09 10:51:27 ndushay for DISCOVERY: right now, state of the art is: what is needed for search, for display, for faceting, for sort. 2011-02-09 10:51:37 edsu dchud: you love those big problems don't you :-) 2011-02-09 10:51:40 dchud edsu: in this situation. arguing doesn't help anybody. constructive work is welcome by all sides - let's get over arguing about MARC and do what we need next 2011-02-09 10:51:46 atz ok, now i'm getting it.... metadata format middle layer abstraction 2011-02-09 10:51:55 bess atz: excellent description! 2011-02-09 10:51:55 dchud edsu: no, i hate people yelling at each other without backing up their words with code/data/rules/etc. 2011-02-09 10:51:56 zoia can we talk about something else?is metadata like xml and stuff? 2011-02-09 10:51:56 mbklein ndushay: solr is flat. The title field is the title field. 2011-02-09 10:51:57 ndushay for MAINTENANCE: metadata is much more complex. 2011-02-09 10:52:00 scolford My hats: http://www.carlemuseum.org/images/uploads/EricCarleMuseum/shop/2267_MD.jpg 2011-02-09 10:52:03 jrochkind ndushay: i mean, if YOU are only working with Solr, then YOU can ignore the data model. But if the data lives anywhere outside of Solr (as it ought to if you care about persistence at all), then the developers dealing with that can't ignore the data model and just think in temrs of solr schema. 2011-02-09 10:52:09 akorphan Speaker's shirt is awfully... shiny. 2011-02-09 10:52:14 ecorrado @loves data models 2011-02-09 10:52:14 zoia ecorrado: (loves [] []) -- Find out what loves 2011-02-09 10:52:36 mbklein ecorrado: Use @love to declare; @loves to inquire 2011-02-09 10:52:37 bohyunkim akorphan: observation++ 2011-02-09 10:52:42 timmcgeary @shiny shirt 2011-02-09 10:52:42 zoia timmcgeary: nah that's in a different field, not sure which subfield though 2011-02-09 10:52:43 ndushay for SEARCHING BACKEND: you definitely make the discovery notion of "search" more complex. that's not user labels; it's "how do I serve the user search needs" 2011-02-09 10:52:46 ejk Hey, how'd he get a picture of our server room? 2011-02-09 10:52:49 timmcgeary @ana shiny shirt 2011-02-09 10:52:50 zoia timmcgeary: Shh! Tiny Sir 2011-02-09 10:52:52 atz bess: problem is that it isn't comprehensive... there are structures (not just "fields") that won't correspond between different metadata schemas 2011-02-09 10:52:55 ecorrado @love data models 2011-02-09 10:52:56 gsf akorphan: that's not shine, it's schnazz 2011-02-09 10:52:57 zoia ecorrado: The operation succeeded. ecorrado loves data models. 2011-02-09 10:53:02 scolford zoia++ 2011-02-09 10:53:04 akorphan gsf: I stand corrected. 2011-02-09 10:53:05 jrochkind ndushay: i also don't like doing display purely from Solr stored fields, for reasons of both performance and flexibility. 2011-02-09 10:53:07 tbw ok if it makes change easier maybe its worth the overhead 2011-02-09 10:53:08 mbklein gsf++ schnazz++ 2011-02-09 10:53:08 timmcgeary @love data models 2011-02-09 10:53:09 ndushay jrochkind: yeah, ok. I don't have to deal w that right now. 2011-02-09 10:53:10 bess atz: yup. good point. but this is better than what we had before. :) 2011-02-09 10:53:10 zoia timmcgeary: The operation succeeded. timmcgeary loves data models. 2011-02-09 10:53:16 anna3lc zoia++ tiny sir 2011-02-09 10:53:16 zoia anna3lc: i find that the best unicode strategy is decode early, curse often, encode late 2011-02-09 10:53:17 edsu dchud: yeah, i hear that 2011-02-09 10:53:17 anarchivist @hate yorkside 2011-02-09 10:53:18 akorphan @wholoves data models 2011-02-09 10:53:19 zoia anarchivist: The operation succeeded. anarchivist hates yorkside. 2011-02-09 10:53:21 zoia ecorrado and timmcgeary love data models 2011-02-09 10:53:40 anarchivist ruby++ 2011-02-09 10:53:45 cbeer i believe changing data models should be a painful experience. 2011-02-09 10:53:47 akorphan ORM++ 2011-02-09 10:53:50 ndushay jrochkind: we don't do display solely from Solr fields. We compute a lot of them from raw marc at display time. Sometimes display fields don't even need to be defined in Solr. 2011-02-09 10:53:52 ecorrado I especially love data models after having to migrate data out of something that wasn't modeled or even thought through 2011-02-09 10:53:55 jrochkind cbeer: then you're in luck cause it is. :) 2011-02-09 10:53:57 akorphan no_snacks-- 2011-02-09 10:53:59 ndushay but the data does need to go somewhere, i get that. 2011-02-09 10:54:00 bess cbeer++ # don't worry, it always will be. 2011-02-09 10:54:01 escowles jrochkind: we do display solely from solr stored fields *for performance reasons* 2011-02-09 10:54:05 atz ILS's already do this with MARC field mapping 2011-02-09 10:54:12 jaron that seems a good place to start "an ORM for XML" 2011-02-09 10:54:21 ecorrado coffee makes me happy 2011-02-09 10:54:21 atz but not to as much of a degree 2011-02-09 10:54:26 anna3lc i propose all talks begin with a problem statement and a brief preview of either the solution or idea 2011-02-09 10:54:27 ndushay atz: and ILS is a good model to emulate? or to leave as "good enough"? 2011-02-09 10:54:43 ndushay anna3lc++ 2011-02-09 10:54:44 decasm_ convention is a euphemism for herd mentality 2011-02-09 10:54:45 atz ndushay: no, this is bigger 2011-02-09 10:54:45 bmljenny Bacon and naked man legs make me happy. More of that please. 2011-02-09 10:54:50 freqlurker anna3lc++ 2011-02-09 10:54:52 jrochkind ndushay: yeah, totally, that's what I do too. So already you have to think in terms of more than just solr schema, since you are computing them from marc at display time. So the focus of OM, as I understand it, is making that 'computing from X at display time' more DRY, especially when you may have hetereogenous data, not all marc. 2011-02-09 10:54:53 akorphan "fascades"? 2011-02-09 10:54:53 bess anna3lc: ooh, good idea! Want to start a "how to give a good code4lib talk" page on the wiki? 2011-02-09 10:54:56 timmcgeary @ana herd mentality 2011-02-09 10:54:57 zoia timmcgeary: Threaten dimly 2011-02-09 10:54:59 bess anna3lc++ 2011-02-09 10:55:00 anarchivist @google fascade 2011-02-09 10:55:01 zoia anarchivist: A fascade: ; Fascade | Flickr - Photo Sharing!: ; YouTube - Fascade's Channel: ; File:American-radiator-fascade.jpg - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: ; Fascade@137db | Balanced Records: (1 more message) 2011-02-09 10:55:04 timmcgeary zoia++ 2011-02-09 10:55:06 gsf anna3lc: i was going to do that but got distracted 2011-02-09 10:55:11 bmljenny anna3lc++ 2011-02-09 10:55:12 anna3lc bess that would be hilarious; i am awful at giving talks! 2011-02-09 10:55:30 bess anna3lc: okay, so even more reason to think about what goes into a good talk, right? 2011-02-09 10:55:33 decasm_ xml_isnt_the_point++ 2011-02-09 10:55:37 anna3lc bess++ good point 2011-02-09 10:55:44 ndushay jrochkind: I think we agree. I would say om also is saying "use THIS metadata format - the one from om - b/c a lot of other stuff gets really complicated. We'll crosswalk when we have to." 2011-02-09 10:55:47 anarchivist metadata++ 2011-02-09 10:55:59 dbs dbs notes that "OM" = "OLE" + 21 letters 2011-02-09 10:56:00 jrochkind ndushay: hmm, may be, yeah. 2011-02-09 10:56:02 tokeee XML cannot be the whole program 2011-02-09 10:56:07 ndushay starting_with_users++ 2011-02-09 10:56:07 anna3lc he means talk on irc, right? 2011-02-09 10:56:08 akorphan OLE! 2011-02-09 10:56:13 ndushay listening_to_users++ 2011-02-09 10:56:16 anarchivist @damlev OM OLE 2011-02-09 10:56:16 zoia anarchivist: The Damerau-Levenshtein distance between "OM" and "OLE" is 2. 2011-02-09 10:56:17 timmcgeary @ana actually talk 2011-02-09 10:56:17 zoia timmcgeary: A lucky, tall at 2011-02-09 10:56:22 ndushay users_meaning_END_users++ 2011-02-09 10:56:23 edsu why do users care about metadata at all? 2011-02-09 10:56:39 akorphan Sigh, the Anglo name pattern rears its head again. 2011-02-09 10:56:41 jrochkind ndushay: although OM itself doesn't insist on any particular metadata format, it's just a mapper from the arbitrary (XML-based) metadata format of your choice, to data elements in code. 2011-02-09 10:56:56 anarchivist edsu: http://dieinafire.com/ 2011-02-09 10:56:56 dbs anarchivist: 21 letter increment, using base-26? 2011-02-09 10:57:04 tbw what does this buy you other than mapping a fieldname to some xpath? 2011-02-09 10:57:04 ndushay "first" and "last" name are not applicable to some languages 2011-02-09 10:57:11 edsu anarchivist: are those your glasses? 2011-02-09 10:57:13 ndushay so what do we do then? 2011-02-09 10:57:22 atz tbw: not much, afaict 2011-02-09 10:57:23 rsinger edsu: i think that's a reasonable question 2011-02-09 10:57:25 jrochkind edsu: users only care about metadata because of what metadata can do for users, whether or not users realize there's such a thing as 'metadata'. 2011-02-09 10:57:27 anarchivist ndushay: don't use separate nameParts? :) 2011-02-09 10:57:29 jrochkind tbw: i think that's all it buys you? 2011-02-09 10:57:31 ranti edsu: end users don't care about metadata. They care about the content and how it's presented. 2011-02-09 10:57:36 rsinger what jrock said 2011-02-09 10:57:40 rsinger and ranti 2011-02-09 10:57:49 akorphan anarchivist: Then there's a sort problem. 2011-02-09 10:57:50 edsu when the end users are librarians, they care 2011-02-09 10:57:54 gsf use an internal format that can ingest and output a variety of formats 2011-02-09 10:57:54 scolford edsu: in many cases now the metadata and the object are the same. (sez weinberger) 2011-02-09 10:57:55 jrochkind 'content and how it's presented' often is 'metadata'. 2011-02-09 10:57:56 mbklein apologize_for_going_over_then_keep_going++ 2011-02-09 10:58:00 bess tbw: that's what it buys you! If you're comfy working with xml and you only have one kind of xml, you probably don't need it. If you work with lots of different kinds of xml and you want a consistent way to refer to the bits of it that you need in your application, it's very useful. 2011-02-09 10:58:07 timmcgeary @loves dinner 2011-02-09 10:58:10 zoia timmcgeary: dinner doesn't seem to love anything. 2011-02-09 10:58:10 anarchivist bess++ 2011-02-09 10:58:10 jrochkind the end user doens't have to KNOW it's "metadata", but we developers need to, to make our software work. 2011-02-09 10:58:12 jstroop jstroop wonders, why, if it's possible to put an accurate layer of abstraction over your different metadata formats, you're using different metadata formats in the first place. Am I missing something? 2011-02-09 10:58:30 erikhatcher erikhatcher claps 2011-02-09 10:58:38 edsu but when the end users are people using a library they care about what ranti said 2011-02-09 10:58:38 mbklein yo_bj's_hat++ 2011-02-09 10:58:39 tbw I guess I'd rather have a yaml file or some config file to do the mapping than write code 2011-02-09 10:58:40 jrochkind jstroop: 'accurate' is context-specific? The abstraction may be appropriate for your given application, but not appropriate in all contexts? Maybe. 2011-02-09 10:58:41 akorphan Who's MCing? 2011-02-09 10:58:41 ksclarke jstroop++ 2011-02-09 10:58:46 ranti edsu: we shouldn't think we build stuff for librarians. IMHO. 2011-02-09 10:58:47 MrDys akorphan: yo_bj 2011-02-09 10:58:56 mbklein akorphan: Becky Yoose, aka yo_bj 2011-02-09 10:59:01 edsu ranti: i agree 2011-02-09 10:59:03 jrochkind ranti: except when we are building tools for librarians. :) Which is part of our jobs too. 2011-02-09 10:59:06 akorphan That's a nice hat. i don't think I could pull it off. 2011-02-09 10:59:08 rsinger jstroop: is there a format that describes everything in every context? 2011-02-09 10:59:18 yo_bj Thanks, akorphan 2011-02-09 10:59:24 bess jstroop: b/c, for example, you're being asked to build a repository for data sets from many different departments. Astronomy data is going to have completely different metadata format from biology, but you need to know for both of them, what's "title?" what's "author?" 2011-02-09 10:59:33 akorphan yo_bj: I was admiring it at breakfast. 2011-02-09 10:59:34 zoia i think there is a xslt crosswalk for that 2011-02-09 10:59:36 MrDys http://www.extensiblecatalog.org/learnmore 2011-02-09 10:59:40 ecorrado ecorrado really wishes he had a gong 2011-02-09 10:59:43 akorphan or thereabouts 2011-02-09 10:59:52 jrochkind zoia++ 2011-02-09 10:59:52 jstroop rsinger: no, but that's kind of the point--why try to make different things look the same? 2011-02-09 11:00:04 mbklein mbklein is still working toward his own 1.0 release. 2011-02-09 11:00:10 ndushay bess: so you have diff om stuff for astronomy and biology? or shared? 2011-02-09 11:00:18 mbklein Parts of me are still at 0.2-alpha 2011-02-09 11:00:29 ndushay b/c lingua franca ALWAYS get unweildy 2011-02-09 11:00:30 jaron jstroop: for indexing to solr. both things need to have, say, a title 2011-02-09 11:00:33 jrochkind jstroop: because that's often what we DO in our applications, ake different things look the same. We need to provide search over hetereogenous data. It all needs to show up in the same search results. It doesn't all need to look identical, but it all needs to fit into the application sarch results. 2011-02-09 11:00:33 rsinger jstroop: because it shouldn't be necessary to store everything n+1 times 2011-02-09 11:00:35 bmljenny Parts of me are version 45.0 2011-02-09 11:00:38 fowbar flyingzumwalt: where's the dinner tonight? 2011-02-09 11:00:41 flyingzumwalt is the channel logged anywhere? I didn't have it open during my talk 2011-02-09 11:00:45 bess ndushay: you have an om mapping for each one. B/c astronomy's notion of a title is going to be quite different (and have a totally different xpath) from biology's notion 2011-02-09 11:01:01 ndushay i totally get that Solr schema vs. HTML vs. Fedora benefits from a single home for driving xml terms 2011-02-09 11:01:04 jstroop ok, get the point of having a layer of abstraction for getting things out 2011-02-09 11:01:05 scolford mbklein: Well, parts of me were deprecated in 2001. 2011-02-09 11:01:09 flyingzumwalt I think we're going to the Irish Lion? awead knows the details 2011-02-09 11:01:10 ndushay bess: cools. 2011-02-09 11:01:12 timmcgeary @ana sucks into mst 2011-02-09 11:01:12 jaron flyingzumwalt: I can send you scrollback 2011-02-09 11:01:13 zoia timmcgeary: Scum to stinks 2011-02-09 11:01:23 edsu flyingzumwalt: my main question was why "end users" should care about metadata at all 2011-02-09 11:01:29 jrochkind i think i'm going to need something like the xc MST one of these days. i think there was a talk yesterday about a similar tool too? 2011-02-09 11:01:29 bess fowbar: Irish Lion 2011-02-09 11:01:34 zoia Metadata, metadata, metadata! What about MARC? 2011-02-09 11:01:37 ranti jrochkind: troo dat :-) 2011-02-09 11:01:41 anarchivist edsu: it depends on what you consider an "end user" 2011-02-09 11:01:43 jrochkind edsu: end users do not need to care about metadata. WE need to care about metadata to meet end user needs. 2011-02-09 11:01:45 timmcgeary my library website doesn't look like that 2011-02-09 11:01:54 akorphan If anyone out there does "plain old" cataloging and wants a fun challenge, do an original cataloging for "More Information than You Require" by John Hodgman 2011-02-09 11:01:56 awead fowbar: ths plan is to converge on the Irish Lion. We would sit at different tables, or one big one 2011-02-09 11:02:07 awead s/ths/the 2011-02-09 11:02:08 flyingzumwalt edsu: in most cases, they don't care about it _as metadata_ 2011-02-09 11:02:11 ndushay from marc bib record to FRBR: "and some magic happens here" 2011-02-09 11:02:17 edsu jrochkind: yeah, i agree ; maybe i read into end users, actual end users ; not librarians 2011-02-09 11:02:18 flyingzumwalt edsu: it's more about how we interpret their needs 2011-02-09 11:02:24 akorphan (this depends on your definition of fun...) 2011-02-09 11:02:40 ndushay flyingzumwalt: good talk - needed more specific examples. 2011-02-09 11:02:45 BigD Is there diet coke anywhere? 2011-02-09 11:02:54 edsu flyingzumwalt++ # it was good 2011-02-09 11:03:00 bess flyingzumwalt++ :) 2011-02-09 11:03:06 flyingzumwalt ndushay: sorry about that. I had lots of examples but ran out of time. 2011-02-09 11:03:10 bmljenny BigD: Good morning sunshine! 2011-02-09 11:03:17 akorphan Man, we sure do a lot of metadata transforms in our profession. 2011-02-09 11:03:18 flyingzumwalt uploading the slides now 2011-02-09 11:03:20 anarchivist flyingzumwalt++ 2011-02-09 11:03:25 jrochkind yeah, the XC MST is totally trying to serve a purpose that I need served and have no tools to serve. 2011-02-09 11:03:26 mbklein flyingzumwalt++ 2011-02-09 11:03:28 escowles BigD: in the commons 2011-02-09 11:03:34 decasm_ akorphan: yes. yes we do. 2011-02-09 11:03:34 atz marc normalization... could be useful 2011-02-09 11:03:39 ndushay "death to metadata! long live metadata!" 2011-02-09 11:03:40 dbs edsu: the title of a search hit in google is metadata right? real users use that 2011-02-09 11:03:41 awead flyingzumwalt++ #OM is cool 2011-02-09 11:03:43 anarchivist BigD: how you feelin' big boy 2011-02-09 11:03:45 mbklein @ana xc metadata services toolkit 2011-02-09 11:03:49 zoia Metadata, metadata, metadata! What about MARC? 2011-02-09 11:04:00 zoia Can you shut the hell up for one minute about the metadata? 2011-02-09 11:04:01 zoia mbklein: Toxic smart aleck to sedative 2011-02-09 11:04:04 edsu dbs: yeah, but they don't think of it as metadata, they think of it as stuff they can do 2011-02-09 11:04:06 ndushay i believe marc normalization is impossible. have you ever talked to the institutional memory for marc person at your institution? 2011-02-09 11:04:12 BigD bmljenny escowles thanks! 2011-02-09 11:04:20 akorphan That server already looks outdated... 2011-02-09 11:04:23 BigD anarchivist: Slow 2011-02-09 11:04:24 yo_bj you're tearing me apart metadata 2011-02-09 11:04:30 BigD anarchivist: You? 2011-02-09 11:04:36 demiankatz tearing_things_apart++ 2011-02-09 11:04:37 dbs edsu: okay, I wasn't taking your usage of "cares" literally. fair enough 2011-02-09 11:04:39 demiankatz lisa-- 2011-02-09 11:04:40 mbklein yo_bj++ # Oh hi, Mark. 2011-02-09 11:04:41 MrDys oh, hi MARC 2011-02-09 11:04:44 anarchivist BigD: i had coffee and advil, feeling much better 2011-02-09 11:04:51 rsinger in other news, i think i managed to figure out how zebra works, which obviously means i've gone totally insane 2011-02-09 11:04:54 flyingzumwalt OM slides: http://yourmediashelf.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/02/OM-Brining-Sanity-to-the-World-of-XML-Metadata.pdf 2011-02-09 11:04:55 anarchivist BigD: tummy still feeling kind of gross 2011-02-09 11:04:56 yo_bj lisa-- 2011-02-09 11:05:04 jrochkind ndushay: depends on hwat you mean by 'normalization'. Maybe some ultimate solution is impossible, but we're all doing different kinds of 'normalization' in our code, already. 2011-02-09 11:05:14 ndushay s/snail/banana slug/ 2011-02-09 11:05:15 atz rsinger++ # yeeah 2011-02-09 11:05:17 fowbar anarchivist: it was the mussels last night 2011-02-09 11:05:20 anarchivist rsinger++ 2011-02-09 11:05:21 mbklein yo_bj: Taken last night, in this very building: http://i.imgur.com/prmgfl.jpg 2011-02-09 11:05:26 ndushay jrochkind: yes, us too. good point. 2011-02-09 11:05:27 anarchivist fowbar: i didn't eat any mussels. :) 2011-02-09 11:05:40 royt wow, this is fascinating 2011-02-09 11:05:42 flyingzumwalt I had planned to put up the irc channel and have people guess at xpath queries, but no time 2011-02-09 11:05:45 BigD anarchivist: ... Never mind... ;) 2011-02-09 11:05:49 ndushay mbklein: michael jackson lives? 2011-02-09 11:05:56 fowbar something about mussels in Indiana 2011-02-09 11:05:57 MrDys come on, make those backgrounds transparent 2011-02-09 11:06:02 jrochkind yep, that wasn't a good idea. 2011-02-09 11:06:06 mbklein MrDys++ 2011-02-09 11:06:13 MrDys gahhh 2011-02-09 11:06:13 BillDueber Hmmm. Not exactly solr's sweet spot 2011-02-09 11:06:22 mbklein IT WAS…THE SALMON MOUSSE 2011-02-09 11:06:24 yo_bj mbklein -> http://twitpic.com/3xyn6r 2011-02-09 11:06:30 edsu solr_just_for_indexing++ 2011-02-09 11:06:32 jrochkind yeah, i'm not sure I see why Solr should be involved in teh MST _at all_. 2011-02-09 11:06:42 mbklein yo_bj++ you're my favorite customer! 2011-02-09 11:06:46 anarchivist yo_bj++ 2011-02-09 11:06:50 fowbar I'm new to Ruby - what ORM to use? sequel, datamapper? ?./? 2011-02-09 11:06:54 anarchivist hi doggy 2011-02-09 11:07:05 pjb1 you can get some good mussels in indy 2011-02-09 11:07:05 rsinger fowbar: what are you trying to use it in? 2011-02-09 11:07:09 jaron fowbar: using rails? 2011-02-09 11:07:14 rsinger fowbar: i mean, rails? 2011-02-09 11:07:19 jrochkind using an rdbms? 2011-02-09 11:07:23 rsinger JRuby? 2011-02-09 11:07:31 MrDys jah-ruby 2011-02-09 11:07:33 ndushay so the talk is saying "split giant database into obvious pieces" ? 2011-02-09 11:07:49 decasm_ xpath is a bad technology 2011-02-09 11:07:52 edsu no, it's bad 2011-02-09 11:07:56 edsu :-) 2011-02-09 11:07:57 ndushay and "xpath can be inefficient in real time"? 2011-02-09 11:07:58 rsinger haha 2011-02-09 11:08:01 eby @who is normalizing the data 2011-02-09 11:08:02 zoia archivist is normalizing the data. 2011-02-09 11:08:02 jrochkind i like xpath 2011-02-09 11:08:10 anarchivist @who is making the donuts 2011-02-09 11:08:10 zoia eikeon is making the donuts. 2011-02-09 11:08:12 ndushay i guess he's talking about how they whacked on their bottlenecks 2011-02-09 11:08:16 atz what was that code lanugage? 2011-02-09 11:08:25 ndushay but we all want to know how he did profiling and knew where to whack. 2011-02-09 11:08:27 BigD I need a donut 2011-02-09 11:08:29 rsinger xpath seems fine to me 2011-02-09 11:08:30 fowbar jaron: don't know yet - connecting to oracle 2011-02-09 11:08:32 MrDys I like xpath syntax, but holy shit can it get slow 2011-02-09 11:08:34 atz ndushay: exactly 2011-02-09 11:08:38 akorphan How many different languages do we have for accessing nested elements and array-like objects in a data structure? 2011-02-09 11:08:41 jstroop jrochkind: me too 2011-02-09 11:08:42 MrDys xpath syntax in jquery is fantastic 2011-02-09 11:08:49 anna3lc has anyone checked out the square donuts place? 2011-02-09 11:08:57 atz akorphan: every language 2011-02-09 11:08:57 ksclarke xpath++ 2011-02-09 11:08:58 ndushay "update index and db in batches" 2011-02-09 11:09:06 jaron fowbar: for oracle I don't know what you should use 2011-02-09 11:09:17 ndushay "prepared statements are faster than non-prepared statements" 2011-02-09 11:09:19 royt this dude is fucking brilliant 2011-02-09 11:09:21 rsinger fowbar: any ORM should do that (since it would be the db driver itself that matters) 2011-02-09 11:09:22 akorphan atz: I guess I'm really thinking of query languages. It's not really a well-defined question, I know. 2011-02-09 11:09:23 BillDueber Is that groovy maybe? 2011-02-09 11:09:23 anarchivist anna3lc: square donuts?!?! 2011-02-09 11:09:27 ndushay SHOW ME THE PROFILING!!!! 2011-02-09 11:09:33 MrDys royt is getting saucy 2011-02-09 11:09:36 ndushay how did you know what to poke at? 2011-02-09 11:09:41 mbklein anna3lc: please elaborate 2011-02-09 11:09:43 rsinger fowbar: but what you actually want to do with the ORM matters 2011-02-09 11:09:45 ndushay hi royt 2011-02-09 11:09:45 escowles ndushay: iff you use them more than once 2011-02-09 11:09:51 anarchivist @sing simon and garfunkel : feelin' groovy (59th street bridge song) 2011-02-09 11:09:51 akorphan anarchivist: The place is called square donuts or something; not sure if the donuts are on the square or if the place is located on a square. 2011-02-09 11:09:52 decasm_ BillDueber: straight java i think 2011-02-09 11:09:53 zoia anarchivist: No lyrics found for feelin' groovy (59th street bridge song) by simon and garfunkel 2011-02-09 11:09:53 royt ndushay: hey 2011-02-09 11:09:55 jrochkind fowbar: if you are in rails and using an rdbms, just use ActiveRecord, like god intended. 2011-02-09 11:10:01 akorphan s/donuts are on the square/donuts are square 2011-02-09 11:10:03 awead zoia-- 2011-02-09 11:10:06 mbklein akorphan: OR BOTH 2011-02-09 11:10:07 ndushay escowles: yes, given. 2011-02-09 11:10:12 rsinger fowbar: but if you're leaning towards anything other than Rails, use datamapper 2011-02-09 11:10:12 jaron jrochkind++ 2011-02-09 11:10:15 akorphan mbklein: ACK 2011-02-09 11:10:19 anarchivist pkiraly++ 2011-02-09 11:10:26 akorphan my head asplode! 2011-02-09 11:10:31 anna3lc http://wiki.code4lib.org/index.php/C4L2011_social_activities#Recommended_Restaurants.2FBars_.28no_particular_order.29 2011-02-09 11:10:35 highermath_aw I thought that prepared statements were what you get when the senator is caught in flagrante delicto 2011-02-09 11:10:41 anarchivist anna3lc: i'd be down for it 2011-02-09 11:10:43 anna3lc anarchivist, mbklein ^ 2011-02-09 11:10:49 ecorrado flat_files++ 2011-02-09 11:10:49 mbklein akorphan++ # I will always increment a strong bad reference 2011-02-09 11:10:51 jaron fowbar: I'll echo what rsinger and jrochkind say. for rails: activerecord. otherwise consider datamapper 2011-02-09 11:10:53 BillDueber datamapper++ 2011-02-09 11:10:59 anarchivist anna3lc: http://squaredonuts.com/cgi-bin/p/awtp-home.cgi?d=square-donuts 2011-02-09 11:11:05 ndushay "I figured was " == profiling evaluates to sometimes_true 2011-02-09 11:11:07 rsinger datamapper is just so awesome on so many levels 2011-02-09 11:11:07 knickum i didn't know there was a way to get anything but prepared statements from senators... 2011-02-09 11:11:13 BigD Some amazing beers last night! #c4l11 http://twitpic.com/3y0zw5 2011-02-09 11:11:14 anarchivist "donuts that are square and fresh and you eat them zomg" 2011-02-09 11:11:30 mbklein anarchivist++ nice 2011-02-09 11:11:32 anna3lc anarchivist: a compelling review 2011-02-09 11:11:34 anarchivist @sing monster x : battle fatigue 2011-02-09 11:11:35 zoia anarchivist: No lyrics found for battle fatigue by monster x 2011-02-09 11:11:40 MrDys BigD: error 2011-02-09 11:11:40 BillDueber He should put it all into a pipe and avoid the write 2011-02-09 11:11:42 escowles ndushay: i found some code making 20 prepared stmts and using 5 of them... 2011-02-09 11:11:47 MrDys there we go 2011-02-09 11:11:49 dchud domfactorybuilderdoaservicefactoryfactoryimple++ 2011-02-09 11:11:50 eby jrochkind: Meant to mention we do have a place for anyone to upload images related to ann arbor which well then archive and display but it is currently displayed in shitacular gallery which we're working on replacing 2011-02-09 11:11:53 decasm_ DomBlahBlahBlahFactoryBlahBlahBlah 2011-02-09 11:11:55 ndushay escowles: how did you figure that out? 2011-02-09 11:11:59 AndIrc_ crud can't connect to network on my laptop 2011-02-09 11:12:00 akorphan anarchivist: wow, that's some website 2011-02-09 11:12:00 jrochkind eby: sweet 2011-02-09 11:12:02 ndushay decasm++ 2011-02-09 11:12:07 anarchivist @sing c + c music factory 2011-02-09 11:12:08 zoia anarchivist: No songs found by c + c music factory 2011-02-09 11:12:16 rsinger @hate java 2011-02-09 11:12:16 anarchivist @sing c & c music factory 2011-02-09 11:12:17 zoia rsinger: But rsinger already hates java! 2011-02-09 11:12:17 atz gaaaah 2011-02-09 11:12:18 zoia anarchivist: No songs found by c & c music factory 2011-02-09 11:12:23 rsinger zoia: but i want to hate it more 2011-02-09 11:12:24 MrDys @sing ce ce peniston 2011-02-09 11:12:25 zoia rsinger: http://poopoopanda.files.wordpress.com/2008/04/poster63512997.jpg 2011-02-09 11:12:26 zoia MrDys: No songs found by ce ce peniston 2011-02-09 11:12:32 jaron factory for creating a factory! 2011-02-09 11:12:34 anarchivist @sing cathy dennis 2011-02-09 11:12:35 zoia They don't know. / If I could change the way of the world / I'd be your girl / Too many walls have been built in between us 2011-02-09 11:12:39 eby @Hussein poo poo panda 2011-02-09 11:12:40 zoia eby: Up as a poison-pen hood 2011-02-09 11:12:44 ndushay flying spaghetti monster? 2011-02-09 11:12:45 jrochkind this is a good presentation 2011-02-09 11:12:51 akorphan mmm... blue worms... 2011-02-09 11:12:54 jaron yuck 2011-02-09 11:12:56 anarchivist @who has great gimp skills? 2011-02-09 11:12:56 zoia ecorrado has great gimp skills. 2011-02-09 11:12:57 jrochkind i don't want blue worms in my spaghetti. i'm never going to that restaurant again 2011-02-09 11:12:58 highermath_aw blue spagetti++ 2011-02-09 11:12:58 royt blue worms --- yuck 2011-02-09 11:13:04 edsu @band add Spaghetti Code and the Blue Worms 2011-02-09 11:13:05 zoia edsu: Band 'Spaghetti Code and the Blue Worms' added to list 2011-02-09 11:13:09 ndushay ok, now I have about 5 ideas for how to speed up code. 2011-02-09 11:13:10 mbklein @dunno add ERROR: ClassNotFoundException: org.code4lib.whatyousaid.StatementThatMakesSenseFactoryImpl 2011-02-09 11:13:10 zoia mbklein: The operation succeeded. Dunno #1126 added. 2011-02-09 11:13:11 BillDueber royt: Not nearly as tasty as normal brown ones 2011-02-09 11:13:11 ndushay kewl. 2011-02-09 11:13:16 anna3lc bad website implies all skills lie in donut-making area? 2011-02-09 11:13:18 ecorrado gimp++ 2011-02-09 11:13:31 knickum a factory that makes factories to make little models of factories! i've reached java-nirvana! 2011-02-09 11:13:32 royt BillDueber-- # that's just WRONG buddy 2011-02-09 11:13:32 mbklein anna3lc++ 2011-02-09 11:13:45 royt knickum++ 2011-02-09 11:13:46 erikhatcher ant++ 2011-02-09 11:13:49 MrDys MetafactoryFactory 2011-02-09 11:13:53 escowles ndushay: ivory coast spammers harvesting email addr from our site exhausted our db pool, so i was digging around in 5yo ccode trying to figure out why each req was creating tons of db connections (1 con per prepared stmt) 2011-02-09 11:13:55 anarchivist @sing ant banks 2011-02-09 11:13:56 zoia anarchivist: No lyrics found for Packin' A Gat by ant banks 2011-02-09 11:14:05 dbs There's ants in my spaghetti 2011-02-09 11:14:09 jrochkind did he just say 'cloud'? 2011-02-09 11:14:12 BillDueber WHy can't I do that without pretending it's a test? 2011-02-09 11:14:16 erikhatcher mst3k 2011-02-09 11:14:17 jrochkind and if so, why? 2011-02-09 11:14:18 akorphan there's ants in my blue worms. 2011-02-09 11:14:24 dchud fwiw the network has seemed very stable this morning 2011-02-09 11:14:25 MrDys @translationparty [sing elo : don't bring me down] 2011-02-09 11:14:33 knickum dbs: you got spaghetti in my ants 2011-02-09 11:14:34 anna3lc there's spaghetti in my antworms 2011-02-09 11:14:35 fowbar rsinger++ & jrochkind++ & jaron++ 2011-02-09 11:14:39 anarchivist dchud: yeah, it's because i'm not using skype :P 2011-02-09 11:14:41 ndushay escowles: did you do seat of the pants analysis or profile? 2011-02-09 11:14:43 tbw I thought OOP required ravioli code not spagetti code 2011-02-09 11:14:47 jtgorp we had to do something similar with dumping to a flatfile for bulk loads os a db insert 2011-02-09 11:14:51 akorphan I prefer pappardelle code 2011-02-09 11:14:53 dchud anarchivist: clearly it was your fault. 2011-02-09 11:14:55 zoia MrDys: ELO is a word that I was disappointed concessions 2011-02-09 11:15:02 anarchivist dchud: it usually is...at least at first :) 2011-02-09 11:15:04 akorphan s/it's/its 2011-02-09 11:15:08 jrochkind gnocchi code 2011-02-09 11:15:15 knickum mmmm 2011-02-09 11:15:16 eby @sing Tom waits : the piano has been drinking 2011-02-09 11:15:18 zoia eby: No lyrics found for the piano has been drinking by Tom waits 2011-02-09 11:15:19 timmcgeary after the winter we've had, I could definitely use some spring 2011-02-09 11:15:20 jtgorp overhead of db connections can be expensive vs on machine load 2011-02-09 11:15:25 BigD I need spaghetti 2011-02-09 11:15:27 akorphan zoia-- 2011-02-09 11:15:31 dchud eby: the timekeeper has been drinking, not me 2011-02-09 11:15:32 jaf jrochkind: you say potato.... 2011-02-09 11:15:36 bmljenny Vermicelli code = worms 2011-02-09 11:15:36 knickum @sing Daft Punk 2011-02-09 11:15:37 akorphan Speaking of spaghetti, what's on the lunch menu today? 2011-02-09 11:15:40 zoia (Instrumental) / From Lyrics Mania 2011-02-09 11:15:43 anarchivist akorphan: taco meat 2011-02-09 11:15:48 fowbar gnocchi-giri code 2011-02-09 11:15:49 akorphan knickum++ 2011-02-09 11:15:54 ndushay blue taco meat 2011-02-09 11:15:54 MrDys TacoMeatFactoryFactory 2011-02-09 11:15:57 knickum lol zoia++ 2011-02-09 11:16:01 bmljenny Fowbar++ 2011-02-09 11:16:07 anarchivist TacoFactoryFactoryFactory 2011-02-09 11:16:15 ndushay anarchivist++ 2011-02-09 11:16:19 jrochkind that was a good presentation 2011-02-09 11:16:20 mbklein akorphan: I hope it has at least as much spill-on-my-shirt-and-stain danger as yesterday's lunch. 2011-02-09 11:16:21 ecorrado dchud++ 2011-02-09 11:16:24 MrDys do it up dchud 2011-02-09 11:16:26 escowles ndushay: seat of the pants mostly -- there were only two or three pages being pounded, so i just read them and followed the calls down until i saw a ton of prepared stmts 2011-02-09 11:16:28 freqlurker hey - we're on tv! 2011-02-09 11:16:29 akorphan mbklein++ 2011-02-09 11:16:31 pmurray Look at me, look at me. 2011-02-09 11:16:38 eby dchud: The cleaning crew would prob doubt that 2011-02-09 11:16:39 BigD Hi mom! 2011-02-09 11:16:39 flyingzumwalt good morning dchud 2011-02-09 11:16:41 paulalbert nice sweater 2011-02-09 11:16:41 royt dchud!!! 2011-02-09 11:16:42 asnagy good morning! 2011-02-09 11:16:43 gluejar hi, dchud! 2011-02-09 11:16:44 akorphan Whew, that was scary. 2011-02-09 11:16:47 dchud hi! 2011-02-09 11:16:49 erikhatcher erikhatcher claps 2011-02-09 11:16:50 akorphan i could see myself on the big screen. 2011-02-09 11:16:52 ndushay everyone get perky!!!! 2011-02-09 11:16:53 anna3lc ben_anderson++ 2011-02-09 11:16:55 akorphan haphazard++ 2011-02-09 11:16:55 royt sweet 2011-02-09 11:16:56 jrochkind this is the part of the day where we shock the channel by displaying it live on the overhead 2011-02-09 11:16:56 maccabee performance optimization actually makes a great narrative 2011-02-09 11:16:58 timmcgeary ass anything? 2011-02-09 11:17:03 atz akorphan: it adds 10 pounds. 2011-02-09 11:17:03 escowles hi mom! 2011-02-09 11:17:03 mbklein CHUD! CHUD! CHUD! CHUD! CHUD! CHUD! CHUD! CHUD! 2011-02-09 11:17:05 jaf dchud's going to put the chatroom on? Yes! 2011-02-09 11:17:07 anarchivist @dance 2011-02-09 11:17:07 zoia o/ 2011-02-09 11:17:07 ecorrado ask anything!!!! 2011-02-09 11:17:08 zoia /| 2011-02-09 11:17:09 flyingzumwalt podium: w00t. 2011-02-09 11:17:10 zoia >> 2011-02-09 11:17:10 akorphan HI MOM 2011-02-09 11:17:11 jbrinley oh, am I in Bloomington, now? 2011-02-09 11:17:13 ecorrado dchud++ 2011-02-09 11:17:13 maruyama3 dchud ++ 2011-02-09 11:17:14 anarchivist @dance 2011-02-09 11:17:14 mbklein FONT UP 2011-02-09 11:17:14 zoia o/ 2011-02-09 11:17:15 zoia /| 2011-02-09 11:17:16 royt beard++ 2011-02-09 11:17:17 zoia >> 2011-02-09 11:17:18 jbrinley hi, everyone 2011-02-09 11:17:19 ndushay FOOD++ 2011-02-09 11:17:19 jaf spicy meatballs? 2011-02-09 11:17:20 akorphan It's hilarious to see the lag in real time. 2011-02-09 11:17:20 lbjay what's for lunch? 2011-02-09 11:17:25 timmcgeary timmcgeary waves at the camera 2011-02-09 11:17:27 ranti dchud++ 2011-02-09 11:17:29 akorphan HELLO JAPAN 2011-02-09 11:17:29 rsinger lunch... TOMORROW 2011-02-09 11:17:29 decasm_ inappropriate comment! 2011-02-09 11:17:30 ejk Glad to see he's got his preacher collar on 2011-02-09 11:17:32 zacho I'm on TV 2011-02-09 11:17:32 ecorrado japan++ 2011-02-09 11:17:37 ndushay bigger font dchud! 2011-02-09 11:17:40 ecorrado canada++ 2011-02-09 11:17:47 jillern hello from NC 2011-02-09 11:17:50 anna3lc HI INTERNET 2011-02-09 11:17:51 ndushay BIGGER FONT! BIGGER FONT! 2011-02-09 11:17:53 jaf BIGGER FONT DCHUD 2011-02-09 11:17:54 csharp hello from GA 2011-02-09 11:17:54 timmcgeary "hot mic, hot mic" 2011-02-09 11:17:59 erikhatcher hello japan! 2011-02-09 11:17:59 MrDys @sing beastie boys : pass the mic 2011-02-09 11:17:59 eby eby waits for a @mf 2011-02-09 11:18:01 zoia What's Running Through My Mind Comes Through In My Walk True / Feelings Are Shown From The Way That I Talk And This Is Me, Y'All- / I M.C., Y'All My Name Is M.C.A. And I Still Do What I Please And / Now I'd Like To Introduce I'll Pass The Mic To D. For A Fist Full Of Truth 2011-02-09 11:18:01 lbjay dchud: FONT UP 2011-02-09 11:18:02 decasm_ font-size: xx-large; 2011-02-09 11:18:02 akorphan STEP UP TO THE MIC AND BUST A RHYME 2011-02-09 11:18:04 erikhatcher konichiwa! 2011-02-09 11:18:05 mbklein @zalgo2 ZALGO IS ON SCREEN! 2011-02-09 11:18:05 zoia mbklein: Z҉̶͝AL͏̸GO I҉S ̴̸̕Ǫ͢͡N҉̧ S͘CR̴ÈE̸N͏͟!͟ 2011-02-09 11:18:07 fowbar hello from VANCOUVER 2011-02-09 11:18:09 jtgorman thank god, connected again 2011-02-09 11:18:10 ejk Hot hot hot 2011-02-09 11:18:14 edsu w00t! 2011-02-09 11:18:16 rsinger ironic that mr. FONT UP is being told to FONT UP 2011-02-09 11:18:17 BigD And me. Sorry. 2011-02-09 11:18:17 druthb silliest++ 2011-02-09 11:18:18 freqlurker be the Microphone Commander you always dreamed 2011-02-09 11:18:19 jillern countless++ 2011-02-09 11:18:19 bkeese Hi Mom 2011-02-09 11:18:21 jbrinley dchud: bigger font, please, I can't see it from 100 miles away 2011-02-09 11:18:23 akorphan bigger font plz 2011-02-09 11:18:26 dbs IRC is only good for sarcastic comments dchud! 2011-02-09 11:18:26 anarchivist @zalgo2 [sing baha men : who let the dog] 2011-02-09 11:18:28 zoia anarchivist: N̷o͏͜ lyrí͝c͜͞s̛͏́ ̴f͏͟o͝und ̡̕f̴or w̵͡h̡̛ò̴ ̕͡l͡é͘t ͘th҉̶e̡͢ ̧̀͜d҉ó̶g by ͟b̸͢a̸͝h͏a̸͢͢ ̀҉͡me̢̛͝n 2011-02-09 11:18:31 timmcgeary dchud++ 2011-02-09 11:18:33 KingNightWolf hi dad 2011-02-09 11:18:37 anarchivist @zalgo2 [sing baha men : who let the dogs out] 2011-02-09 11:18:39 zoia anarchivist: Int̕͝r̛͜͠o:̀͜ ̷̡͟/͘ ̵Ẃh́͠͞o҉͏̡ ͡l҉èt ̷̕t̷́́h́͞e͏͢ ͡do͡g̷͜s̷̡͞ ͟͞͡out͡͏ /͟҉̵ ͡{w̛o̶o͏f͡͏͏,̶͜͠ ̴wo̶o̷͠f,̧͝ w̡̛o͠o҉f҉͘,̡ ̶̶woof̷͝}̶ 2011-02-09 11:18:42 jbrinley @quote random 2011-02-09 11:18:42 zoia jbrinley: Quote #474: "< eby> any geneticists in here" (added by edsu at 01:55 PM, October 17, 2006) 2011-02-09 11:18:43 akorphan TOOBIG 2011-02-09 11:18:44 lbjay ahhhh 2011-02-09 11:18:45 csharp windows-- 2011-02-09 11:18:49 abarrera thats what she said 2011-02-09 11:18:49 ndushay THANK YOU 2011-02-09 11:18:49 maccabee intuitive_resizing++ 2011-02-09 11:18:52 dbs twitter-- 2011-02-09 11:18:53 flyingzumwalt @sing r.e.m : What's the Frequency, Kenneth? 2011-02-09 11:18:54 zoia (Berry/Buck/Mills/Stipe) / "What's the frequency, Kenneth?" is your Benzedrine, uh-huh / I was brain-dead, locked out, numb, not up to speed 2011-02-09 11:18:55 rsinger FONT DOWN NOW 2011-02-09 11:18:56 anarchivist @dance 2011-02-09 11:18:56 zoia o/ 2011-02-09 11:18:57 zoia /| 2011-02-09 11:18:58 mbklein Dan is AWESOME 2011-02-09 11:18:58 dbs font-- 2011-02-09 11:18:59 zoia >> 2011-02-09 11:19:03 ranti dchud: cats or dogs? 2011-02-09 11:19:09 lbjay @poledance 2011-02-09 11:19:09 zoia | 2011-02-09 11:19:10 escowles metaphysical questions? 2011-02-09 11:19:10 zoia o/| 2011-02-09 11:19:11 zoia /| | 2011-02-09 11:19:12 zoia >>| 2011-02-09 11:19:12 eby @pony 2011-02-09 11:19:12 timmcgeary flyingzumwalt++ 2011-02-09 11:19:14 zoia | 2011-02-09 11:19:15 anna3lc ranti++ 2011-02-09 11:19:15 jaron everyone can be famous in #code4lib for 2 seconds 2011-02-09 11:19:15 zoia ,//) 2011-02-09 11:19:16 ecorrado ecorrado liked the old font better 2011-02-09 11:19:16 zoia ,;;' \ 2011-02-09 11:19:16 dlovins_ Screen scroll not auto-updating :-( 2011-02-09 11:19:17 mbklein uh oh. scroll stuck. 2011-02-09 11:19:18 zoia ,;;' ( '\ 2011-02-09 11:19:19 zoia / '\_) 2011-02-09 11:19:20 zoia ^^ not yours 2011-02-09 11:19:23 BigD <---- the Chud 2011-02-09 11:19:24 lbjay he lost the scroll 2011-02-09 11:19:27 jaf ranti: false diachtomy :) 2011-02-09 11:19:29 pjb1 42 2011-02-09 11:19:31 mbklein BlahML++ 2011-02-09 11:19:31 akorphan dchud, scroll down! 2011-02-09 11:19:34 MrDys @cyborg BLAH 2011-02-09 11:19:35 zoia MrDys: B.L.A.H.: Biomechanical Logical Assassination Humanoid 2011-02-09 11:19:37 lbjay I CAN'T FOCUS ON ANYTHING ELSE 2011-02-09 11:19:39 timmcgeary @ana scroll down 2011-02-09 11:19:40 zoia timmcgeary: Lord! Clowns 2011-02-09 11:19:46 freqlurker we get the idea, Dan 2011-02-09 11:19:48 ndushay get a room, people. 2011-02-09 11:20:01 mbklein So wait…we can ask questions? Is that right? 2011-02-09 11:20:03 erikhatcher surely there's a Blah standard 2011-02-09 11:20:04 KingNightWolf clown fest !! 2011-02-09 11:20:05 pberry Question: Im about to start working with ContentDM, what land mines are there to avoid? 2011-02-09 11:20:07 pmurray WHAT'S FOR LUNCH? 2011-02-09 11:20:08 mbklein And people might answer them? 2011-02-09 11:20:09 atz it's not *that* kind of hospitality 2011-02-09 11:20:12 timmcgeary mbklein: that was your question 2011-02-09 11:20:34 bmljenny Me: coy in chartreuse, you: resplendent in red. Drinks? 2011-02-09 11:20:36 mbklein timmcgeary: Dammit! I did that last year too! 2011-02-09 11:20:41 freqlurker pberry: avoid contentdm altogether 2011-02-09 11:20:44 mbklein bmljenny++ 2011-02-09 11:20:51 jbrinley pberry: I'm going to have to agree with freqlurker here 2011-02-09 11:21:00 jillern on with it! 2011-02-09 11:21:00 grfischer what's his twitter id? 2011-02-09 11:21:01 akorphan giveaways++ 2011-02-09 11:21:03 mbklein "Me: Cursing DSpace. You: Swearing at CONTENTdm." 2011-02-09 11:21:05 dan64 pberry: I'll 2'nd what jb said 2011-02-09 11:21:07 bmljenny Clap 2011-02-09 11:21:07 anarchivist rsinger++ 2011-02-09 11:21:09 BillDueber rsinger++ 2011-02-09 11:21:10 jbrinley pberry: there is just a giant spreadsheet on the back-end 2011-02-09 11:21:12 timmcgeary rsinger++ 2011-02-09 11:21:13 akorphan dchud scroll down again 2011-02-09 11:21:14 csharp rsinger++ 2011-02-09 11:21:15 rsinger hi! 2011-02-09 11:21:15 edsu rsinger++ 2011-02-09 11:21:22 ejk Emacs or VI??? 2011-02-09 11:21:23 eby Time for a jrochkind accordion solo 2011-02-09 11:21:23 timmcgeary no_questions-- 2011-02-09 11:21:24 mbklein rsinger-- 2011-02-09 11:21:29 mbklein (I'm contrary) 2011-02-09 11:21:29 dlovins_ sticky_scroll-- 2011-02-09 11:21:30 rsinger i only do it via ASCII text 2011-02-09 11:21:31 jbrinley pberry: really, not hierarchy or relationships or anything, just a big spreadsheet 2011-02-09 11:21:31 jrochkind didn't bring my accordion 2011-02-09 11:21:34 timmcgeary ejk: VI 2011-02-09 11:21:35 anna3lc we've been mesmerized by giant IRC and forgot all questions 2011-02-09 11:21:48 jillern does online count? 2011-02-09 11:22:02 jtgorman has there been 6 times? 2011-02-09 11:22:02 akorphan Oh, so that's what Esme looks like. 2011-02-09 11:22:04 jrochkind yes 2011-02-09 11:22:07 jbrinley pberry: and you can only have 128000 characters in a document 2011-02-09 11:22:07 csharp first time virtually, second time if virtually counts 2011-02-09 11:22:09 timmcgeary @ana magical search box 2011-02-09 11:22:10 zoia timmcgeary: Hag climaxes cobra 2011-02-09 11:22:11 ndushay rhetorical. 2011-02-09 11:22:12 jrochkind to make the magical search box work. magic ain't magic. 2011-02-09 11:22:16 ejk feedback-- 2011-02-09 11:22:16 mbklein @ana TEN MILLION METADATA FORMATS 2011-02-09 11:22:17 zoia mbklein: Immortal defamation talents 2011-02-09 11:22:19 mjg_ royt: NO 2011-02-09 11:22:19 dbs job security! 2011-02-09 11:22:21 ecorrado my metadata toy is better then yours! 2011-02-09 11:22:22 edsu we need the search box to hide all the formats :-) 2011-02-09 11:22:24 jbrinley pberry: it ignores anything after that in full-text search 2011-02-09 11:22:30 mtomko Havard Library Labs, no? 2011-02-09 11:22:35 mtomko or maybe they're not sharing? 2011-02-09 11:22:35 BillDueber BillDueber want's that 2011-02-09 11:22:35 MrDys make out yo face 2011-02-09 11:22:37 erikhatcher magic search box++ 2011-02-09 11:22:37 jrochkind i'm interested in USING it if you create it. I am not interested in creating it. 2011-02-09 11:22:42 BigD Isn't that oclc? 2011-02-09 11:22:45 akorphan pberry: I think the answer to your question is "ContentDM" 2011-02-09 11:22:47 anna3lc jrochkind++ 2011-02-09 11:22:58 edsu dchud: :-D 2011-02-09 11:22:59 royt BigD: well, it could be ;-) 2011-02-09 11:23:02 escowles jrochkind: why not just a big pile of text? 2011-02-09 11:23:05 pyott See LibraryCloud: http://librarylab.law.harvard.edu/librarycloud_wiki/index.php/Main_Page 2011-02-09 11:23:07 eby akorphan: And now you have two problems 2011-02-09 11:23:10 mbklein oauth-- 2011-02-09 11:23:11 davidWalker don't apply for grants? 2011-02-09 11:23:12 anarchivist @ana repositoria con melon 2011-02-09 11:23:13 zoia anarchivist: Poetical, senior moron 2011-02-09 11:23:14 bmljenny Crickets 2011-02-09 11:23:17 ndushay escowles: a big pile of what? 2011-02-09 11:23:20 pberry OAuth is full of pain 2011-02-09 11:23:21 escowles *crickets* 2011-02-09 11:23:22 jrochkind escowles: because in my experience we can make the magic search box work better the better metadata we have. 2011-02-09 11:23:24 ndushay no++ 2011-02-09 11:23:25 tzhaya DC implementation it is Kataoka-san and Kyusyu Univ. team's big result. We update our trial each XC toolkit system now. 2011-02-09 11:23:27 decasm_ what's droopal 2011-02-09 11:23:27 timmcgeary "anybody, anybody?" 2011-02-09 11:23:28 anna3lc What is that sound? 2011-02-09 11:23:29 ejk Missed the question 2011-02-09 11:23:32 anarchivist BUFFERING 2011-02-09 11:23:34 anarchivist BUFFERING 2011-02-09 11:23:35 ndushay "gong" 2011-02-09 11:23:37 jaron escowles: boosting of more important data? 2011-02-09 11:23:37 zacho Bueler? 2011-02-09 11:23:49 jrochkind escowles: google starts with a giant pile of text, and analyzes metadata out of it. Because they have to, because giant pile of text is all they have to start with. Which is one approach. 2011-02-09 11:23:52 akorphan did someone mention snacks??? 2011-02-09 11:23:53 jaron escowles: for effecting relevancy? 2011-02-09 11:23:54 dlovins_ snac++ 2011-02-09 11:23:57 duspal My Concrete5 Twitter mods work. Just saying 2011-02-09 11:23:59 mjg_ @zalgo --intensity 5 SHOW ME ON THE BIG SCREEN 2011-02-09 11:24:00 zoia S̙ͦͦ͏͚͔̬ͦͦͦͦ̀ͦH͓ͦͦ̃ͦO̝ͦͦW͎ͦ́ͦͦͨͦ ̗ͦͪͦͦ́ͦ͗ͦͪͦM̡ͦ͌ͦ́ͦͦE̡ͦ͂ͦͧͦͫͦ̅ͦͦ ͦ͒ͦO͈̲ͦͦͦͪͦ̌ͦ͐ͦN̻ͦ̂ͦͦ͑ͦͮͦ ͙̭ͦͦͦ͏ͦ̆ͦ҉ͦTͦ̉ͦͦͦ̀ͦH̻͔ͦ̄ͦͦͦͦͦE̗̫ͦͦ̌ͦͦ ͦͦ̐ͦ͠B̧̧̲̟ͦͦ̀ͦ̌ͦͦͦͦI̭ͦͦ̒ͦ҈̵ͦͦ̌ͦG̯̗ͦͦͦͦ̚ (1 more message) 2011-02-09 11:24:05 timmcgeary Did someone bring a vuvuzela? 2011-02-09 11:24:09 demiankatz concrete5++ 2011-02-09 11:24:12 jrochkind escowles: but even google is working with HTML, which has it's own metadata inherent in it. Like a tag. 2011-02-09 11:24:22 ndushay timmcgeary++ 2011-02-09 11:24:23 zoia And don't get me started about metadata! 2011-02-09 11:24:25 bmljenny timmcgeary: I think there's an app for that 2011-02-09 11:24:33 escowles ndushay: text -- one big field of natural language or whatever anybody wants to put in 2011-02-09 11:24:35 akorphan hiring++ 2011-02-09 11:24:37 MrDys that_idea++ 2011-02-09 11:24:39 mjg_ the mic has been rocked 2011-02-09 11:24:39 akorphan c4ljobboard++ 2011-02-09 11:24:42 timmcgeary bmljenny++ 2011-02-09 11:24:42 pmurray hiring++ 2011-02-09 11:24:43 ndushay escowles: it was a JOKE 2011-02-09 11:24:44 davidWalker jobs++ 2011-02-09 11:24:44 jaron code4lib_job_board++ 2011-02-09 11:24:45 timmcgeary job_board++ 2011-02-09 11:24:48 jillern cool to see all the folks 2011-02-09 11:24:51 jtgorman oooohhh....tricky 2011-02-09 11:24:51 jtgorman privacy/anon issues there 2011-02-09 11:24:52 dchud go font up yourself 2011-02-09 11:24:53 jrochkind escowles: and be sure they make use of that, they don't strip all html tags out and ignore them before feeding to their indexers! Even google uses what metadata is available to them, like html tags. Or like back-links -- back-links are metadata too. 2011-02-09 11:24:53 jtgorman gahhh! 2011-02-09 11:25:00 edsu lol 2011-02-09 11:25:01 ejk ouch 2011-02-09 11:25:03 pberry Uh 2011-02-09 11:25:03 mtomko wow. 2011-02-09 11:25:05 mjg_ @zalgo2 WTF 2011-02-09 11:25:06 zoia mjg_: WT̸̢͜F̢͝ 2011-02-09 11:25:07 timmcgeary @ana thermal receipt printer 2011-02-09 11:25:07 awead1 RUN AWAY! 2011-02-09 11:25:07 anarchivist ghostscript++ 2011-02-09 11:25:07 zoia timmcgeary: Ethnic, premier prattler 2011-02-09 11:25:09 rsinger "And now, ladies and gentlemen, allow me to introduce THE DOOBIE BROTHERS!" 2011-02-09 11:25:09 jaf i talk to ghost people 2011-02-09 11:25:09 pberry World of hurt 2011-02-09 11:25:11 ndushay no++ 2011-02-09 11:25:12 maxxkrakoa the what in the what now? 2011-02-09 11:25:12 jtgorman connection issues again 2011-02-09 11:25:12 akorphan re: that question: ACK 2011-02-09 11:25:13 mtomko some assembly required. 2011-02-09 11:25:18 BigD $10k 2011-02-09 11:25:18 edsu and i thought code4lib was a niche! 2011-02-09 11:25:19 pjb1 i see dead printers 2011-02-09 11:25:20 KingNightWolf I see dead people 2011-02-09 11:25:20 ndushay crickets++ 2011-02-09 11:25:21 decasm_ i see dead technology. 2011-02-09 11:25:22 mbklein WRONG CHANNEL. Please post that question in #ghostscript_talking_to_thermal_receipt_printer 2011-02-09 11:25:23 tokeee specific_questions++ 2011-02-09 11:25:31 ndushay mbklein++ 2011-02-09 11:25:31 rsinger mbklein++ 2011-02-09 11:25:32 csharp mbklein++ 2011-02-09 11:25:33 knickum oh i love that channel 2011-02-09 11:25:34 akorphan I'm having trouble getting my makerbot to interface with my whiteboard... 2011-02-09 11:25:43 ndushay mbklein++ 2011-02-09 11:25:45 anna3lc mbklein++ lol 2011-02-09 11:25:46 fowbar yay hoppla 2011-02-09 11:25:46 ndushay crickets++ 2011-02-09 11:25:48 edsu http://www.ifs.tuwien.ac.at/dp/hoppla/ 2011-02-09 11:25:49 erikhatcher ghostscript++ # i remember tinkering with that back in the day 2011-02-09 11:25:51 timmcgeary same bat question, same bat channel 2011-02-09 11:26:04 akorphan bat_channel++ 2011-02-09 11:26:07 pberry What twitter account do we send questions to. 2011-02-09 11:26:11 royt love the way that us remote folks can participate in the "ask anything" session 2011-02-09 11:26:18 timmcgeary data_cleanup-- 2011-02-09 11:26:18 anna3lc we have a committee for that 2011-02-09 11:26:23 ndushay except for you, royt 2011-02-09 11:26:29 anarchivist BillDueber++ 2011-02-09 11:26:32 BigD Isn't that oclc? ;) 2011-02-09 11:26:34 edsu CUFTS! 2011-02-09 11:26:35 mbklein royt: For certain values of 'participate' 2011-02-09 11:26:42 bmljenny http://www.ifs.tuwien.ac.at/dp/hoppla/ cute bunny 2011-02-09 11:26:44 timmcgeary BigD++ 2011-02-09 11:26:50 mbklein BigD++ 2011-02-09 11:26:51 fowbar every cataloger has their own definition of "crappy metadata" 2011-02-09 11:26:55 mbklein dchud++ 2011-02-09 11:26:57 pberry Heh 2011-02-09 11:26:58 jaf dchud++ 2011-02-09 11:27:02 mjg_ dchud++ # sharp as always 2011-02-09 11:27:05 jrochkind wait, i thought that was OCLC's job, sharing cleaning up of metadata? Isn't that what OCLC is _for_? 2011-02-09 11:27:05 timmcgeary dchud++ 2011-02-09 11:27:08 edsu http://researcher.sfu.ca/openkb 2011-02-09 11:27:15 mjg_ BillDueber++ 2011-02-09 11:27:16 timmcgeary sharing_data++ 2011-02-09 11:27:18 tshearerlib dchudd: how about LOC's resources? 2011-02-09 11:27:19 maruyama3 Only code4lib? ... Code4museum, code4archives, and code4LMA(MLA) 2011-02-09 11:27:20 lbjay BillDueber++ 2011-02-09 11:27:21 mbklein BillDueber: Your hate makes you strong, young one. 2011-02-09 11:27:26 ndushay is there an external_world? 2011-02-09 11:27:27 royt we do A LOT of metadata cleanup 2011-02-09 11:27:29 ecorrado jrochkind++ 2011-02-09 11:27:37 ndushay external_world++ 2011-02-09 11:27:44 timmcgeary @ana serial prediction 2011-02-09 11:27:45 zoia timmcgeary: Spindlier erotica 2011-02-09 11:27:46 ndushay can anyone hear the answers? 2011-02-09 11:27:53 erikhatcher vendors+- # LOL 2011-02-09 11:27:56 jaron i can't hear the answers 2011-02-09 11:27:56 abarrera dchud++ # he'd be awesome as a quiz show host 2011-02-09 11:28:01 mbklein A lot of metadata needs the same kind of cleanup that robcaSSon did last year in the hospitality suite. 2011-02-09 11:28:03 mjg_ maruyama3: we get some archives folks here, but dunno about the others. good question 2011-02-09 11:28:06 erikhatcher dchud++ 2011-02-09 11:28:10 BigD dchud is doing a good job of recapping 2011-02-09 11:28:16 jrochkind that would be tom burton-west. 2011-02-09 11:28:18 MrDys dirty, dirty OCR 2011-02-09 11:28:18 bmljenny Dirty dirty OCR 2011-02-09 11:28:19 timmcgeary @ana dirty ocr 2011-02-09 11:28:20 zoia timmcgeary: Tidy Corr 2011-02-09 11:28:22 BillDueber dchud++ 2011-02-09 11:28:23 BigD Dirty OCR was my name in high school 2011-02-09 11:28:24 jrochkind oh, he was asking the question. heh. 2011-02-09 11:28:25 decasm_ dirty ocr is dirty 2011-02-09 11:28:27 mjg_ @sing ac/dc : dirty OCR 2011-02-09 11:28:28 zoia mjg_: No lyrics found for dirty OCR by ac/dc 2011-02-09 11:28:28 bmljenny MrDys: Jinx 2011-02-09 11:28:29 edsu I HAVE THAT QUESTION TOO! 2011-02-09 11:28:29 ndushay censored OCR? 2011-02-09 11:28:37 ndushay redacted OCR? 2011-02-09 11:28:38 atz there is MFHT for serials data, but in my experience that wasn't enough for what ppl wanted 2011-02-09 11:28:40 jrochkind dirty south ocr 2011-02-09 11:28:41 mjg_ dirty OCR done dirt expensive. 2011-02-09 11:28:44 edsu what about tom at hathitrust? 2011-02-09 11:28:57 akorphan crappy vendor data solution: use sampling to calculate how much of the vendor data is crappy. Demand a refund from vendor equal to that percentage of data. 2011-02-09 11:28:59 ndushay edsu: ha ha ha 2011-02-09 11:28:59 kirkhess Anyone working on designing applications for text analysis of data in fedora/Hathi Trust/Google Books? 2011-02-09 11:28:59 mbklein Amazon Mechanical Turk 2011-02-09 11:29:01 harvel DP++ 2011-02-09 11:29:04 ejk Mechanical Turk? 2011-02-09 11:29:07 akorphan Use that money to hire a student to fix broken data. 2011-02-09 11:29:08 anna3lc edsu: is it not tom asking the question? 2011-02-09 11:29:09 mtomko Mechanical Turk is hard to work well. 2011-02-09 11:29:10 mjg_ mturk++ 2011-02-09 11:29:15 dchud MOAR QUESTIONS PLEASE 2011-02-09 11:29:15 edsu hahaha 2011-02-09 11:29:16 timmcgeary how about hiring an OCR monkey? 2011-02-09 11:29:17 mtomko Unless there's a good way to objectively verify a correct answer. 2011-02-09 11:29:18 edsu i didn't know that :-) 2011-02-09 11:29:23 MrDys mturk what what 2011-02-09 11:29:28 mbklein mtomko++ True dat 2011-02-09 11:29:32 mjg_ rsinger: git ready 2011-02-09 11:29:39 mtomko We tried to use it when I was at Amazon. 2011-02-09 11:29:41 erikhatcher um.... openlibrary?! 2011-02-09 11:29:44 atz who was it that asked the serials interoperability question? 2011-02-09 11:29:48 davidWalker pberry++ 2011-02-09 11:29:51 rsinger he's not even signed into skype 2011-02-09 11:29:52 edsu 6ft under platform 2011-02-09 11:29:53 mtomko My service used to use MTurk to get people to verify whether two items were the same. 2011-02-09 11:29:59 rsinger pssh 2011-02-09 11:30:01 sekjal atz: tararobertson 2011-02-09 11:30:03 akorphan pberry: document cases and paper! 2011-02-09 11:30:10 sekjal atz: she's on twitter 2011-02-09 11:30:11 atz sekjal: thx 2011-02-09 11:30:14 ndushay yeah, right 2011-02-09 11:30:30 anna3lc new people! 2011-02-09 11:30:30 timmcgeary fabulousness++ 2011-02-09 11:30:32 mbklein fabulousness++ 2011-02-09 11:30:32 ndushay our fabulous_ness? 2011-02-09 11:30:33 mjg_ code4lib4dummies++ 2011-02-09 11:30:34 akorphan that_idea++ 2011-02-09 11:30:39 timmcgeary @ana fabulousness 2011-02-09 11:30:39 decasm_ memes4lib 2011-02-09 11:30:40 jrochkind there are no things everybody knows about. we all know about different things. 2011-02-09 11:30:40 zoia timmcgeary: Useful as snob 2011-02-09 11:30:47 escowles code4libCamp? 2011-02-09 11:30:47 edsu i thought code4lib was already for dummies 2011-02-09 11:30:49 druthb fabulousness++ 2011-02-09 11:30:50 ecorrado code4lib for dummies is a good idea, but we are all dummies! 2011-02-09 11:30:51 rsinger didn't we do that last year? 2011-02-09 11:30:51 mtomko we ended up replacing mturk with a purely software solution... 2011-02-09 11:30:51 jrochkind there is way too much for any of us, let alone all of us, to know about all of em. 2011-02-09 11:30:53 timmcgeary zoia++ 2011-02-09 11:30:53 royt BACON 2011-02-09 11:30:53 jillern a faq? 2011-02-09 11:30:54 helrond jrochkind ++ 2011-02-09 11:30:54 eby Staff proofread here and working on game/points for public for OCR 2011-02-09 11:30:55 lbjay that's not a bad idea 2011-02-09 11:30:59 csharp summer_camp++ 2011-02-09 11:31:01 sdellis i like that 2011-02-09 11:31:04 ndushay go for it, newbie dude! it's a good idea. 2011-02-09 11:31:07 ejk Beer4Dummies 2011-02-09 11:31:14 flyingzumwalt http://wiki.code4lib.org/index.php/A_Guide_for_the_Perplexed 2011-02-09 11:31:21 zoia I thought code4lib For Dummies was called LITA 2011-02-09 11:31:22 decasm_ who is code4lib's secretary? 2011-02-09 11:31:23 ndushay wiki of desired compentencies 2011-02-09 11:31:25 ecorrado Beer4Dummies++ 2011-02-09 11:31:26 jrochkind flyingzumwalt++ 2011-02-09 11:31:27 erikhatcher code4lib4dummies++ 2011-02-09 11:31:28 akorphan zoia: BURN. 2011-02-09 11:31:28 mjg_ zoia++ 2011-02-09 11:31:28 decasm_ @who is code4lib's secretary? 2011-02-09 11:31:29 zoia akorphan: there's an emacs macro for that. M-x something-or-other 2011-02-09 11:31:30 zoia royt is code4lib's secretary. 2011-02-09 11:31:33 awead zoia++ 2011-02-09 11:31:34 ndushay then coerce people into doing the pre-conf. 2011-02-09 11:31:35 pjb1 zoia++ 2011-02-09 11:31:41 abarrera zoia++ 2011-02-09 11:31:44 BillDueber BillDueber will do it next year. Build a VM with a bunch of software and make sure everyone can get it before hand and just bang through the main ideas of stuff. 2011-02-09 11:31:46 timmcgeary zoia++ ouch 2011-02-09 11:31:46 zoia timmcgeary: ██████ █████ to this ███████ if you are still experiencing issues after following these directions. 2011-02-09 11:31:52 ejk zoia++ 2011-02-09 11:32:04 bmljenny I need to pre-pre 2011-02-09 11:32:06 mjg_ BillDueber++ 2011-02-09 11:32:09 pberry Wind sprints? 2011-02-09 11:32:09 pyott check out Galaxy Zoo - they do community-sourced analysis of hubble images -- might be a good model for public OCR cleanup 2011-02-09 11:32:09 KingNightWolf a pre pre conference and a post post conference 2011-02-09 11:32:11 ndushay flyingzumwalt++ 2011-02-09 11:32:20 timmcgeary pre-post-conference? 2011-02-09 11:32:21 edsu edsu raises hand 2011-02-09 11:32:21 ndushay blacklight spring! 2011-02-09 11:32:21 libzig if ya don't already know: http://www.pgdp.net/c/ 2011-02-09 11:32:27 BigD Damn zoia... Some of my best friends go to LITA 2011-02-09 11:32:28 ndushay s/spring/sprint/ 2011-02-09 11:32:30 anna3lc on the list or on the conference list? 2011-02-09 11:32:46 akorphan gregjansen++ 2011-02-09 11:32:49 royt anarchivist! 2011-02-09 11:32:53 mbklein zoia! 2011-02-09 11:32:53 zoia mbklein! 2011-02-09 11:32:56 BillDueber Community-sourcing the bad OCR is a tough run, in that there are more than 8M volumes in 300 languages. 2011-02-09 11:33:01 akorphan FIND ANARCHIVIST. LOOK FOR THE GLASSES. 2011-02-09 11:33:03 mjg_ @zalgo2 dchud ftw 2011-02-09 11:33:03 zoia mjg_: d̡c͘h̕͟͡ų́͘d̨͜͝ ̡́͜f̸̛tw 2011-02-09 11:33:05 gregjansen anarchivist++ 2011-02-09 11:33:06 mbklein @redact [last --from BillDueber] 2011-02-09 11:33:06 zoia mbklein: Community-sourcing the bad OCR is a tough run, in that there are ████ than ██ volumes in 300 languages. 2011-02-09 11:33:35 mbklein bpl++ 2011-02-09 11:33:43 mjg_ outsiders++ 2011-02-09 11:33:47 pyott long live BPL 2011-02-09 11:33:55 rsinger dat scolford? 2011-02-09 11:33:57 ranti neighborhood_focus_library++ 2011-02-09 11:33:58 MrDys a cruft of developers 2011-02-09 11:34:01 timmcgeary awarded a pack of developers? 2011-02-09 11:34:03 druthb if you're here, even virtually, you're not outsiders. They left a while ago. 2011-02-09 11:34:04 jaf did he say the code4lib project? 2011-02-09 11:34:06 mjg_ naw, not scolford 2011-02-09 11:34:09 rsinger oh 2011-02-09 11:34:10 timmcgeary sign me up for that grant 2011-02-09 11:34:12 akorphan BPL is REALLY neighborhood focused -- you can't work there if you live outside of boston proper, if I recall correctly. 2011-02-09 11:34:14 bohyunkim zoia: so not true :)) re LITA 2011-02-09 11:34:15 zoia bohyunkim: can you please~nl~express that~nl~in z-m-l~nl~kthx 2011-02-09 11:34:18 rsinger rsinger can't see 2011-02-09 11:34:18 bmljenny Code4lib rags on LITA, LITA rags on reference librarians, ref linns rag on IT. Can't we all just get along? 2011-02-09 11:34:19 pberry A pride of developed 2011-02-09 11:34:20 BillDueber Don't worry. Kill the alpha coder and the rest of the pack will break away. 2011-02-09 11:34:21 mbklein Yes, that's scolford 2011-02-09 11:34:23 mjg_ oh, yes, it is scolford. 2011-02-09 11:34:23 ejk Think of the children 2011-02-09 11:34:25 jrochkind BillDueber: the 300 languages thing is what makes me have no idea. If you knew what language it was in I can brainstorm some ideas. 2011-02-09 11:34:26 rsinger heh 2011-02-09 11:34:26 mjg_ I was looking at the wrong head. 2011-02-09 11:34:30 edsu rsinger: can you do a michaelmcdonald lightning talk? 2011-02-09 11:34:30 anarchivist scolford++ 2011-02-09 11:34:33 mjg_ mjg_ and it wasn't lbjay's babyhead 2011-02-09 11:34:33 decasm_ bmljenny: probably not 2011-02-09 11:34:36 anna3lc BillDueber++ 2011-02-09 11:34:38 pberry A gaggle of programmers 2011-02-09 11:34:39 MrDys metadata: do it for the kids 2011-02-09 11:34:40 mjg_ @takify babyhead 2011-02-09 11:34:41 zoia ℬ Ǎ Ḅ Ý Ḫ Ḛ Ẵ ↁ 2011-02-09 11:34:45 anarchivist anarchivist @ana lbjay's babyhead 2011-02-09 11:34:45 zoia anarchivist: Ably shabby jade 2011-02-09 11:34:52 rsinger edsu: 5 minutes, not sure - going to have look at lyrics sites 2011-02-09 11:34:54 BigD bmljenny++ 2011-02-09 11:34:57 ranti bmljenny but that makes the live so boring if we can't rags each other. ;-) 2011-02-09 11:34:59 mbklein Because the #1 question from the city whenever the BPL wants to do *anything* is "How does this help THE KIDS?" 2011-02-09 11:35:02 cbeer s/code4lib/code for america/ 2011-02-09 11:35:03 mjg_ scolford: outsider? you? I wouldn't have thought that. 2011-02-09 11:35:08 mbklein scolford++ 2011-02-09 11:35:15 BillDueber jrochkind: Well, we've got a really good guess for most of them from the metadata. It's still on the order of 200M pages or something. 2011-02-09 11:35:27 akorphan tape storage? 2011-02-09 11:35:28 rsinger R&R HOF GUY 2011-02-09 11:35:29 pberry pberry throws up the horns 2011-02-09 11:35:30 timmcgeary cue ominous music: "I can put you in touch with people." 2011-02-09 11:35:32 akorphan nice. 2011-02-09 11:35:42 lbjay anna3lc++ 2011-02-09 11:35:53 scolford mjg_: perhaps outsider was the wrong word. nothing negative intended! 2011-02-09 11:35:53 decasm_ anna3lc++ 2011-02-09 11:35:55 ndushay i'm bringing a pillow to the afternoon stuff. 2011-02-09 11:35:59 jrochkind BillDueber: yeah, but i'm imagining various automated algorithms for making judgements about what OCR'd words are bad, based on comparing with a known corpus of words (including proper nouns etc) from that language. 2011-02-09 11:36:05 bmljenny Can we get our tape drive talking to our receipt printer? 2011-02-09 11:36:10 bohyunkim zoia: in the sense that having been at some lita mtgs doesn't help being at c4l conf. 2011-02-09 11:36:11 zoia bohyunkim: YAKAWOW!!! 2011-02-09 11:36:16 pmurray bmljenny++ 2011-02-09 11:36:20 mjg_ awead++ # rocking and rolling 2011-02-09 11:36:22 abarrera ask anything should be done after an open bar session 2011-02-09 11:36:22 rsinger via ghostscript? 2011-02-09 11:36:23 anarchivist ndushay: i'll make sure i have really loud sounds in my presentations 2011-02-09 11:36:25 jtgormanph jtgormanph grumbles about wireless card not being able to connect to networks 2011-02-09 11:36:26 anarchivist awead++ 2011-02-09 11:36:44 decasm_ rosy420? 2011-02-09 11:36:50 ndushay anarchivist: the pillow is for my back. 2011-02-09 11:36:58 anarchivist ndushay: i'll still make sure i have really loud sounds in my presentations 2011-02-09 11:36:59 ranti rosy280 2011-02-09 11:37:01 cbeer awead: definitely want to hear about your experience, in case wgbh ever gets to that point. 2011-02-09 11:37:03 scolford rosy1280++ 2011-02-09 11:37:06 ndushay doesn't everyone understand my context without my explaining it? 2011-02-09 11:37:07 BillDueber jrochkind: The problem is that the really interesting words (e.g., chemical compounds, domain-sepcific lingo) are not gonna be in the dictionary. 2011-02-09 11:37:12 mbklein rosy1280++ 2011-02-09 11:37:16 akorphan beer++ 2011-02-09 11:37:18 mbklein scolford: It's all about the kids. 2011-02-09 11:37:19 mjg_ what is this "beer" people keep referring to? 2011-02-09 11:37:20 timmcgeary beer++ 2011-02-09 11:37:24 pberry Bribe them with beer...genius 2011-02-09 11:37:27 sdellis precontributedUseCases++ 2011-02-09 11:37:28 ejk beers++ 2011-02-09 11:37:31 royt mjgiarlo++ 2011-02-09 11:37:32 mjg_ excommunication++ 2011-02-09 11:37:32 mbklein SHOUT THAT MAN DOWN 2011-02-09 11:37:33 anarchivist awead: i think we're looking to do something similar at yale 2011-02-09 11:37:37 abarrera mjg_ smell ur neck beard and u'll know 2011-02-09 11:37:39 timmcgeary @ana questioning solr 2011-02-09 11:37:40 zoia timmcgeary: Squinting or lose 2011-02-09 11:37:40 anarchivist awead: but i'm not working on it 2011-02-09 11:37:50 akorphan wicked fast! 2011-02-09 11:37:51 rsinger no incremental updates in sphinx, right? 2011-02-09 11:37:52 pberry Craigs list switched to sphinx 2011-02-09 11:37:55 mjg_ DEPLOY SOLR INQUISITIONISTAS 2011-02-09 11:37:57 awead anarchivist: lto tape storage? 2011-02-09 11:38:03 ejk We use Sphinx at AADL 2011-02-09 11:38:04 edsu pberry: from what? :-) 2011-02-09 11:38:05 mbklein mjg_++ 2011-02-09 11:38:07 mjg_ abarrera: mmmm, stout. 2011-02-09 11:38:18 anarchivist awead: i think so. we recently purchased a tape library 2011-02-09 11:38:19 jrochkind BillDueber: true. it's not easy. but it seems like you could do something to lessen human effort. I wonder if Google is doing clever things (they're not telling us about) with their Books scans. Google is pretty damn good at this sort of thing, like they're excellent 'did you mean' spell suggetions -- which are NOT dictionary based, but based on google's own corpus of the web. 2011-02-09 11:38:20 pberry edsu: I think mysql fulltext 2011-02-09 11:38:20 ejk ...with SOPAC 2011-02-09 11:38:22 decasm_ search like an egyptian 2011-02-09 11:38:29 erikhatcher decasm: LOL 2011-02-09 11:38:30 awead anarchivists: nice 2011-02-09 11:38:34 timmcgeary decasm_++ 2011-02-09 11:38:39 KingNightWolf problems in Egypt sphinx not stable 2011-02-09 11:38:40 scolford mbklein: I'm sick of the farking kids. 2011-02-09 11:38:42 mtomko jrochkind: I think google is doing it with brute force. 2011-02-09 11:38:42 ejk I'm still in Ann Arbor, eby is there... heh 2011-02-09 11:38:47 scolford lbjay++ # for turning the mic around. duh. 2011-02-09 11:38:48 BillDueber jrochkind: We get teh OCR from Google :-) 2011-02-09 11:38:49 ejk sorry, eby 2011-02-09 11:38:50 mbklein KingNightWolf++ 2011-02-09 11:38:58 pberry LTO = less than optimal 2011-02-09 11:39:03 flyingzumwalt awead: keep an eye on https://wiki.duraspace.org/display/FCREPO/High+Level+Storage 2011-02-09 11:39:03 edsu KoChief 2011-02-09 11:39:05 royt what? we need more? 2011-02-09 11:39:19 jrochkind mtomko: i don't know what 'brute force' means here. Of course they are using a hell of a lot of CPU to do it. It is not clear ot me what the algorithm is even if you have all the cpu you need, there is no 'brute force' solution you still need a clever algorithm. 2011-02-09 11:39:19 pberry KingNightWolf: Too soon! 2011-02-09 11:39:20 eby Made me raise my hand ejk 2011-02-09 11:39:28 mtomko I saw a talk by Jon Orwant and he implied that they're just applying a bunch of different OCR algorithms and combining the results, plus human verification. 2011-02-09 11:39:32 akorphan @rate Django Reinhardt : Django Haystack 2011-02-09 11:39:35 erikhatcher lbjay: dude, let's talk 2011-02-09 11:39:37 zoia akorphan: Django: 5.8; Reinhardt: 9.8; :: 8.6; Django: 5.8; Haystack: 10.0. Haystack rocks! 2011-02-09 11:39:39 ejk ejk-- 2011-02-09 11:39:40 jrochkind mtomko: ah, sweet, I like that. 2011-02-09 11:39:44 akorphan sigh. 2011-02-09 11:39:52 akorphan colon rated pretty high. 2011-02-09 11:39:55 knickum sphinx 1.1 beta is getting real-time updates (still not incremental though) 2011-02-09 11:39:59 lbjay erikhatcher: i thought you left 2011-02-09 11:40:01 erikhatcher it's still a work in progress, just a quick hack.... 2011-02-09 11:40:11 erikhatcher https://github.com/lucidimagination/Prism 2011-02-09 11:40:15 eby Sphinx is good but you are dealing more like lucene than solr 2011-02-09 11:40:16 jrochkind mtomko: i seriously doubt the X million Google Books scans have been human verified though. But applying multipl e OCR's is a good idea. 2011-02-09 11:40:17 dchud 日本人からの質問はどこですか？ :) 2011-02-09 11:40:22 timmcgeary akorphan: be kind to your colon 2011-02-09 11:40:30 erikhatcher lbjay: i came home last night, yes 2011-02-09 11:40:31 mtomko jrochkind: no, it's a sampling approach... it would have to be. 2011-02-09 11:40:31 erikhatcher i' 2011-02-09 11:40:31 erikhatcher m s 2011-02-09 11:40:32 erikhatcher tream 2011-02-09 11:40:32 erikhatcher ed 2011-02-09 11:40:33 erikhatcher in 2011-02-09 11:40:33 decasm_ dchud: Q: what does that mean? 2011-02-09 11:40:35 erikhatcher , and irc'd 2011-02-09 11:40:39 akorphan timmcgeary: fiber++ 2011-02-09 11:40:48 timmcgeary fiber++ 2011-02-09 11:40:51 mbklein mtomko: They're likely also comparing various possible OCR candidates their huge corpus of natural full text to determine the "most likely / most accurate" version. 2011-02-09 11:40:54 highermath eby: sphinx is not solr. 2011-02-09 11:40:56 lbjay erikhatcher: cool. that's what i'm talkin about 2011-02-09 11:40:57 timmcgeary @ana bits for lib 2011-02-09 11:40:58 zoia timmcgeary: Blob if stir 2011-02-09 11:41:01 kirkhess is there an API go get the OCRed text from Google books? 2011-02-09 11:41:06 erikhatcher uh.... i'm streaming in, and on irc, duh 2011-02-09 11:41:13 danhorst lbjay: https://github.com/outoftime/sunspot https://github.com/outoftime/sunspot_rails 2011-02-09 11:41:16 flyingzumwalt just finished reading backscroll from the OM presentation. Thanks for all the great questions. I'll incorporate answers into the OM docs. 2011-02-09 11:41:18 abarrera mjg_ nice made up question, considering you really don't work 2011-02-09 11:41:27 timmcgeary good BoF session to have 2011-02-09 11:41:28 ndushay flyingzumwalt++ 2011-02-09 11:41:29 edsu mjg_++ 2011-02-09 11:41:32 lbjay danhorst: thanks! 2011-02-09 11:41:35 mbklein abarrera++ 2011-02-09 11:41:43 mjg_ abarrera: I'll kill you. 2011-02-09 11:41:45 eby highermath: Yeah that's what I said 2011-02-09 11:41:47 lbjay waiting for something not ruby-based 2011-02-09 11:41:48 ndushay which page? 2011-02-09 11:41:53 jaron flyingzumwalt++ 2011-02-09 11:41:57 akorphan ndushay: Guide to the Perplexed on the wiki 2011-02-09 11:41:58 tbw we have a repository with 400TB but we use the filesystem (HathiTrust) 2011-02-09 11:42:06 ndushay oh. 2011-02-09 11:42:09 ndushay been there. 2011-02-09 11:42:12 abarrera mjg_: only if BigD doesn't eat me first, i saw him eyeing me 2011-02-09 11:42:12 ndushay added stuff. 2011-02-09 11:42:14 mtomko mbklein: indeed - I was very impressed with their presentation... I think they're very clever. 2011-02-09 11:42:24 edsu anarchivist: sucks to be you 2011-02-09 11:42:26 mbklein @who has a really good question they haven't asked yet? 2011-02-09 11:42:26 zoia dmc186_ has a really good question they haven't asked yet. 2011-02-09 11:42:30 timmcgeary @ana wash my hands of it 2011-02-09 11:42:31 zoia timmcgeary: Oh Man! Shady swift 2011-02-09 11:42:34 mbklein @who also has a really good question they haven't asked yet? 2011-02-09 11:42:34 zoia Jerms_ also has a really good question they haven't asked yet. 2011-02-09 11:42:35 MrDys thank fuck. 2011-02-09 11:42:41 akorphan I snicker every time I hear "git". 2011-02-09 11:42:47 ndushay @thank fuck 2011-02-09 11:42:48 zoia ndushay: I am your friend, approved by the Communists in charge of your life from cradle to grave. 2011-02-09 11:42:48 pmurray painless-- 2011-02-09 11:42:49 knickum teehee 2011-02-09 11:42:51 mjg_ tbw++ # I've been impressed by HT's storage architecture 2011-02-09 11:42:53 akorphan And I always pronounce "github" in my head with a "th" 2011-02-09 11:42:59 scolford In other words, "Take my baby and I'll throw in some Pampers!" 2011-02-09 11:43:00 edsu lbjay: oh that reminds me http://drupal.org/project/apachesolr 2011-02-09 11:43:08 knickum sounds like elvish 2011-02-09 11:43:11 timmcgeary feel_the_urge++ 2011-02-09 11:43:16 knickum github elrandir 2011-02-09 11:43:25 MrDys it's amazing how much turning that front mic around made it more social 2011-02-09 11:43:38 akorphan knickum++ 2011-02-09 11:43:41 lbjay edsu: yeah. i don't think of that as something where you can slap a quick search interface onto an existing index 2011-02-09 11:43:42 duspal scolford++ 2011-02-09 11:43:43 ejk turn_the_mic++ 2011-02-09 11:43:44 timmcgeary party at the library 2011-02-09 11:43:50 akorphan rock_the_mic++ 2011-02-09 11:43:51 timmcgeary data curation on tap 2011-02-09 11:43:59 jaron @zalgo2 data curation 2011-02-09 11:43:59 zoia jaron: d͏á̵͟t̛a͏ ́͢͝cu̢̢͠r̸͢͢a̶tio̷n 2011-02-09 11:43:59 lbjay edsu: but thanks! 2011-02-09 11:44:19 anarchivist @ana run for the border 2011-02-09 11:44:19 zoia anarchivist: Fend brute horror 2011-02-09 11:44:22 edsu lbjay: like http://drupal.org/project/apachesolr_views ? 2011-02-09 11:44:25 flyingzumwalt @takify Oh Canadia! 2011-02-09 11:44:25 zoia Ó Ħ   Ć Å Ň Ẵ Ḓ Ị Ấ ! 2011-02-09 11:44:37 pberry Whiskey 2011-02-09 11:44:42 jrochkind yes! every programmer learn cataloging, every cataloger learn programming. 2011-02-09 11:44:52 highermath cataloging++ 2011-02-09 11:44:54 pberry Break dance 2011-02-09 11:44:55 highermath really 2011-02-09 11:45:00 zacho Learn *SOMETHING* about technology. 2011-02-09 11:45:01 ejk rake something! 2011-02-09 11:45:06 highermath arduino++ 2011-02-09 11:45:08 akorphan snicker 2011-02-09 11:45:12 zacho Don't learn useless privilege. 2011-02-09 11:45:14 timmcgeary @ana break something 2011-02-09 11:45:14 edsu Don't be afraid of making mistakes. 2011-02-09 11:45:15 zoia timmcgeary: Im the knobs rage 2011-02-09 11:45:19 mbklein reality-- 2011-02-09 11:45:22 pberry Watch Inception 2011-02-09 11:45:30 abarrera pberry++ 2011-02-09 11:45:30 scolford jrochkind: I'd just love to teach a basic relational db class for catalogers. 2011-02-09 11:45:34 tdonohue learn_cataloging++ 2011-02-09 11:45:38 bmljenny zacho: Oooooh burn 2011-02-09 11:45:39 jrochkind scolford: do it! 2011-02-09 11:45:41 akorphan sigh, Inception. 2011-02-09 11:45:41 lbjay and vampires! 2011-02-09 11:45:46 timmcgeary cataloging_friends++ 2011-02-09 11:45:49 tzhaya jrochkind++ 2011-02-09 11:45:52 erikhatcher punch something 2011-02-09 11:45:52 edsu Have Users! #awesome 2011-02-09 11:45:54 pkiraly re 2011-02-09 11:45:54 cazzerson write a marc parser in assembly 2011-02-09 11:45:55 lbjay i heard that as "halve users" 2011-02-09 11:45:55 pberry What have users ever done for us? 2011-02-09 11:46:00 highermath users+- 2011-02-09 11:46:01 timmcgeary user research is overrated 2011-02-09 11:46:01 flyingzumwalt @zalgo2 have users 2011-02-09 11:46:02 zoia flyingzumwalt: h҉̨a͘v͜͟è̶̵ ̕͞u͟͏s͟e͜͞rs 2011-02-09 11:46:07 scolford jrochkind: you are making my to do list grow! 2011-02-09 11:46:07 jeff i don't have the stream up. did baz luhrmann just start talking about sunscreen? 2011-02-09 11:46:09 akorphan cazzerson+- 2011-02-09 11:46:13 bmljenny Don't call me Shirley 2011-02-09 11:46:21 ndushay timmcgeary: not if the user is YOU 2011-02-09 11:46:30 knickum bmljenny: leslie_nielson++ 2011-02-09 11:46:31 akorphan I still have no idea what a microservice is. 2011-02-09 11:46:33 gregjansen bring up rogue VMs 2011-02-09 11:46:34 edsu lol 2011-02-09 11:46:38 mbklein jrochkind: The problem with "learn programming" is that the definition of "programming" a lot of "programming for non-techies" classes use is woefully lacking in real-world usefulness. 2011-02-09 11:46:39 anna3lc what are we interoperating? 2011-02-09 11:46:56 timmcgeary ndushay: no user research isn't hurting Apple 2011-02-09 11:47:00 ndushay midwestern_accent-- 2011-02-09 11:47:05 ndushay :-D 2011-02-09 11:47:06 scolford making_shit_up++ 2011-02-09 11:47:07 jrochkind mbklein: i think those are still useful. catalogers don't REALLY need to program real world useful things. They just need to understand how to approach things algorithmically. 2011-02-09 11:47:10 mbklein anna3lc: Interoperability: Making the round donuts work with the square donuts. 2011-02-09 11:47:12 timmcgeary ndushay: of course, not everyone has a Steve Jobs... 2011-02-09 11:47:21 akorphan @sing metallica : disposable heroes : back to the front 2011-02-09 11:47:22 anarchivist @dance 2011-02-09 11:47:22 zoia o/ 2011-02-09 11:47:23 zoia /| 2011-02-09 11:47:24 zoia >> 2011-02-09 11:47:33 ndushay timmcgeary: apple isn't currently in danger of becoming extinct. So they are doing a good job of predicting user demand. 2011-02-09 11:47:34 anna3lc mbklein: there's no way that's possible 2011-02-09 11:47:34 zoia Do just as we say / Finished here. Greetings, Death, / He's yours to take away / Back to the front 2011-02-09 11:47:37 ndushay us? less so. 2011-02-09 11:47:46 anarchivist @arch commits himself to distributed VCSes only 2011-02-09 11:47:46 zoia THE ARCHITECT COMMITS HIMSELF TO DISTRIBUTED VCSES ONLY 2011-02-09 11:47:47 mbklein anna3lc: It's a PROBLEM FOR THE FUTURE 2011-02-09 11:47:53 highermath timmcgeary: most of us are lucky just to have a job 2011-02-09 11:47:56 pberry git++ 2011-02-09 11:48:03 anarchivist git++ 2011-02-09 11:48:11 erikhatcher BillDueber++ 2011-02-09 11:48:13 anna3lc mbklein++ 2011-02-09 11:48:17 ndushay git++ 2011-02-09 11:48:20 pberry Huh 2011-02-09 11:48:22 jrochkind mbklein: just like programmers don't need to be able to create an AACR2-MARC record that would be accepted by Conser. They just need to understand the.... well I can't explain it. But something about cataloging. :) 2011-02-09 11:48:25 timmcgeary @ndushay I would argue, though not strongly, that our "user research" is contributing to the path toward extinction 2011-02-09 11:48:25 zoia timmcgeary: can you express that in RDF plz? 2011-02-09 11:48:28 akorphan "velocity templates"? Did I hear that right? 2011-02-09 11:48:30 edsu building_urls++ 2011-02-09 11:48:31 anarchivist http://money.cnn.com/2011/02/08/news/companies/pepsi_skinny_can/index.htm 2011-02-09 11:48:45 pyott velociraptors? 2011-02-09 11:48:49 ndushay timmcgeary: users meaning students and researchers. 2011-02-09 11:48:53 edsu just talking about building urls would be good 2011-02-09 11:48:57 dlovins_ ask_anything++ 2011-02-09 11:48:58 timmcgeary ndushay: yup 2011-02-09 11:48:59 akorphan woot! camera giveawy! 2011-02-09 11:49:00 dlovins_ dchud++ 2011-02-09 11:49:02 anna3lc dchud++ 2011-02-09 11:49:03 edsu dchud++ 2011-02-09 11:49:05 MrDys some people to give away 2011-02-09 11:49:07 akorphan dchud++ 2011-02-09 11:49:11 pmurray dchud++ 2011-02-09 11:49:12 tzhaya from twitter question: only code4lib(library) ? ... code4museum, code4archives and code4LMA (MLA) 2011-02-09 11:49:12 ndushay mbklein: go go go 2011-02-09 11:49:14 akorphan I wish I'd brought something to give away. 2011-02-09 11:49:15 anna3lc some herds of programers to give away 2011-02-09 11:49:15 BillDueber dchud++ 2011-02-09 11:49:18 chelociraptor free_people++ 2011-02-09 11:49:19 gluejar yes, velocity templates 2011-02-09 11:49:23 helrond dchud for president 2011-02-09 11:49:25 erikhatcher building urls with velocity templates? 2011-02-09 11:49:27 mbklein ndushay: I don't have the shirts with me 2011-02-09 11:49:27 maruyama3 don you think catalogging crossover museum, archives, zoo, aquarium...interpretive center such such such? 2011-02-09 11:49:31 ndushay k 2011-02-09 11:49:33 archivist code4all 2011-02-09 11:49:35 bohyunkim free books+++++ 2011-02-09 11:49:49 atz dchud++ 2011-02-09 11:50:09 pmurray oxygen++ 2011-02-09 11:50:12 anarchivist http://www.oreillymaker.com/link/6146/coding-drunk/ 2011-02-09 11:50:13 akorphan @google velocity template 2011-02-09 11:50:14 zoia akorphan: Apache Velocity Site - The Apache Velocity Project: <http://velocity.apache.org/>; Apache Velocity - Velocity User Guide: <http://velocity.apache.org/engine/releases/velocity-1.5/user-guide.html>; Start up the Velocity Template Engine - JavaWorld: <http://www.javaworld.com/javaworld/jw-12-2001/jw-1228-velocity.html>; Apache Velocity - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: (2 more messages) 2011-02-09 11:50:16 ndushay that's pretty cool - licenses for oxygen 2011-02-09 11:50:17 jtgorman jtgorman thinks a new network card may be in his future 2011-02-09 11:50:18 MrDys @sing sweet : love is like oxygen 2011-02-09 11:50:18 mbklein jrochkind: I know, but an introductory programming class is useless unless it results in some minimal capacity to understand how real-world problems turn into code. 2011-02-09 11:50:19 zoia MrDys: No lyrics found for love is like oxygen by sweet 2011-02-09 11:50:21 ndushay great idea 2011-02-09 11:50:25 jrochkind mbklein: agreed. 2011-02-09 11:50:26 MrDys @sing the sweet : love is like oxygen 2011-02-09 11:50:28 zoia MrDys: No lyrics found for love is like oxygen by the sweet 2011-02-09 11:50:30 tbw oxygen++ really good xslt debugging! 2011-02-09 11:50:32 MrDys zoia: die 2011-02-09 11:50:33 zoia MrDys: your CeCe Winans Featured Selection order has been confirmed! 2011-02-09 11:50:38 erikhatcher what does hellman (you here on irc?) mean by your question? most likely yes here 2011-02-09 11:50:38 dchud dchud blushes 2011-02-09 11:50:42 anna3lc anarchivist++ 2011-02-09 11:50:42 mjg_ so many michaels 2011-02-09 11:50:43 mbklein jrochkind: And too many of those classes never get there. 2011-02-09 11:50:52 mjg_ why can we not standardize on one michael? 2011-02-09 11:50:54 dlovins_ anemic applause 2011-02-09 11:50:54 jrochkind mbklein: so maybe it's up to you to design and teach an algorithmic thinking for catalogers class. :) 2011-02-09 11:50:56 ndushay dchud++ 2011-02-09 11:51:06 edsu erikhatcher: hellman = gluejar 2011-02-09 11:51:08 anarchivist mjg_: i standardized on curation michaelservices 2011-02-09 11:51:08 mbklein jrochkind: Maybe in my next life. 2011-02-09 11:51:19 jrochkind JodiS would like to. 2011-02-09 11:51:21 mjg_ anarchivist: mcdonald michaelservices 2011-02-09 11:51:25 erikhatcher gluejar: ? 2011-02-09 11:51:26 jrochkind dan who? 2011-02-09 11:51:27 gluejar come talk to me 2011-02-09 11:51:30 dlovins_ Dan Who? 2011-02-09 11:51:32 mbklein danwhat?! 2011-02-09 11:51:35 pberry Somebody is going to call HR 2011-02-09 11:51:37 bohyunkim danwho must be hung over 2011-02-09 11:51:38 timmcgeary what kind of conference is this? 2011-02-09 11:51:40 jaron @who is dan who 2011-02-09 11:51:40 zoia cbeer is dan who. 2011-02-09 11:51:41 mjg_ danwho-- 2011-02-09 11:51:45 druthb merciless_mocking++ 2011-02-09 11:51:46 ndushay dantomorrow 2011-02-09 11:51:46 akorphan @sing kurtis blow : the breaks 2011-02-09 11:51:46 ejk You mean "Dan WHOM" 2011-02-09 11:51:47 zoia Clap your hands, everybody / If you got what it takes / 'Cause I'm Kurtis Blow and I want you to know / That these are the breaks 2011-02-09 11:51:48 edsu erikhatcher: sorry, i thought you were asking who hellman was 2011-02-09 11:51:49 dbs dbs waves at scolford - good to see you 2011-02-09 11:51:51 anarchivist mbklein: go back to california 2011-02-09 11:51:51 dbs FIX 2011-02-09 11:51:57 jrochkind if i don't win a book, does that karmically increase my chances of winning a camera? 2011-02-09 11:51:59 maccabee we need bob barker 2011-02-09 11:52:05 anarchivist mbklein: hippie 2011-02-09 11:52:07 maccabee a new car!!!!! 2011-02-09 11:52:12 erikhatcher edsu: i was... you done right 2011-02-09 11:52:15 atz "A Nuewww Caaaahrrrr!" 2011-02-09 11:52:20 mjg_ RELEASE THE HORDES 2011-02-09 11:52:23 chelociraptor maccabee: the limp and beaten body of bob barker! 2011-02-09 11:52:29 mjg_ dchud: will you marry me? 2011-02-09 11:52:32 chelociraptor BtVS_reference++ 2011-02-09 11:52:42 anarchivist @sing the birthday party : release the bats 2011-02-09 11:52:43 zoia anarchivist: No lyrics found for release the bats by the birthday party 2011-02-09 11:52:56 edsu woah, some hungry pepple closing laptop lids :-) 2011-02-09 11:53:02 mjg_ crikey. 2011-02-09 11:53:09 KingNightWolf Fooooooddddd 2011-02-09 11:53:12 archivist rush to go! 2011-02-09 11:53:12 flyingzumwalt @sing the clash : london calling 2011-02-09 11:53:14 zoia flyingzumwalt: No lyrics found for london calling by the clash 2011-02-09 11:53:19 rsinger o/~ I keep forgetting... o/~ 2011-02-09 11:53:21 mbklein edsu: Many hinges are suffering for people's hunger today. 2011-02-09 11:53:32 atz @sing warren zevon: werewolves of london 2011-02-09 11:53:34 zoia Walking through the streets of Soho in the rain / He was looking for the place called Lee Ho Fook's / Going to get a big dish of beef chow mein / Werewolves of London 2011-02-09 11:53:42 atz @more 2011-02-09 11:53:42 zoia atz: Error: You haven't asked me a command; perhaps you want to see someone else's more. To do so, call this command with that person's nick. 2011-02-09 11:54:05 archivist @less 2011-02-09 11:54:06 zoia archivist: Check your privmsg. 2011-02-09 11:54:09 mjg_ rsinger++ 2011-02-09 11:54:24 erikhatcher dchud++ 2011-02-09 11:54:53 flyingzumwalt @sing clash : london calling 2011-02-09 11:54:54 zoia flyingzumwalt: No lyrics found for london calling by clash 2011-02-09 11:56:36 archivist what size hoard is there having fun? /me watching quits 4eva 2011-02-09 12:00:24 wtd The conference falls off the net every now and then? 2011-02-09 12:06:21 wtd Ah, it must be lunch. 2011-02-09 12:06:25 wtd @karma lunch 2011-02-09 12:06:26 zoia wtd: Karma for "lunch" has been increased 7 times and decreased 0 times for a total karma of 7. 2011-02-09 12:08:11 archivist sudo make me a sandwich time 2011-02-09 12:08:56 jbrinley @hussein sandwich time 2011-02-09 12:08:57 zoia jbrinley: Im unwashed itchiness 2011-02-09 12:15:45 jbrinley @quote random 2011-02-09 12:15:45 zoia zoia jbrinley: Quote #2276: "<edsu> meanwhile in gotham city, batman writes another zotero scraping plugin" (added by lbjay at 10:53 AM, April 21, 2010) 2011-02-09 12:16:29 eby @praise batman 2011-02-09 12:16:29 zoia we are all merely terms in the history of batman 2011-02-09 12:18:54 edsu @tweet we are all merely terms in the history of batman 2011-02-09 12:18:55 zoia edsu: Error: You must be registered to use this command. If you are already registered, you must either identify (using the identify command) or add a hostmask matching your current hostmask (using the "hostmask add" command). 2011-02-09 12:19:05 edsu @tweet we are all merely terms in the history of batman 2011-02-09 12:19:06 zoia edsu: The operation succeeded. 2011-02-09 12:21:02 wtd edsu: Tried Subjects Here at work, got different results. Nice. 2011-02-09 12:21:37 wtd It knows I'm at the north end of the city now, not downtown. 2011-02-09 12:21:58 edsu wtd: cool 2011-02-09 12:23:11 wtd I'm looking at Mark Pilgrim's page on geolocation in browsers. He's clear on the security they provide, but I wonder how many plugins and malware will steal the information. 2011-02-09 12:28:24 jeff wtd: unless i'm missing your point, plugins and malware can already "steal" the info with no need for help by the browser. 2011-02-09 12:28:45 wtd True enough. 2011-02-09 12:35:47 edsu wtd: yeah, i think you authorizing inkdroid.org to know your location means that your browser already knows it 2011-02-09 12:35:59 edsu wtd: and it is being asked to share it 2011-02-09 12:36:19 edsu wtd: so for plugins and stuff running in the browser, i think the cat is already out of the bag 2011-02-09 12:39:55 pberry dayquil++ 2011-02-09 12:40:32 jrochkind @seen JodiS 2011-02-09 12:40:33 zoia jrochkind: JodiS was last seen in #code4lib 19 hours, 38 minutes, and 1 second ago: <JodiS> anna3lc: that would just be cruel 2011-02-09 12:40:59 jrochkind edsu wtd depending on the browser's security model applied to plugins. But yeah, I'd expect. 2011-02-09 12:41:57 jeff plugin security models are very very new -- chrome's sandboxing of flash, for example. 2011-02-09 12:42:21 jeff (maybe "not yet wirespread" would be more accurate than "very very new") 2011-02-09 12:45:32 wtd Wirespread ... good band name. 2011-02-09 12:45:46 wtd What's that band name command? 2011-02-09 12:45:55 jeff it's @band add Name Goes Here 2011-02-09 12:46:01 wtd @band add Wirespread 2011-02-09 12:46:02 zoia wtd: Band 'Wirespread' added to list 2011-02-09 12:46:06 wtd @help band 2011-02-09 12:46:06 zoia wtd: (band [add|remove|search {BAND}]) -- KA-RAAAAY-ZEE band names! Get one, add one, remove one, search! 2011-02-09 12:46:28 jeff i believe "gimme a random band name" is just: 2011-02-09 12:46:32 jeff @band 2011-02-09 12:46:32 wtd @band search foo 2011-02-09 12:46:32 zoia wtd: Toe Jam Footballers ; Beer is Good Food ; Foolish MacGhoulish ; Flatfoot and the Basset Hound Band ; Himmler's Favorite Food ; Tasmanian Devils Food ; The Football Fanatics! 2011-02-09 12:46:34 zoia jeff: The Non-square Rectangles 2011-02-09 12:46:56 wtd @band search royal 2011-02-09 12:46:57 zoia wtd: No bands found matching 'royal' 2011-02-09 12:47:10 wtd @band 2011-02-09 12:47:10 zoia wtd: The Wreck Collection 2011-02-09 12:48:12 MrDys @sing electric light orchestra : don't bring me down 2011-02-09 12:48:14 zoia You got me runnin' goin' out of my mind, / You got me thinkin' that I'm wastin' my time. / Don't bring me down,no no no no no, 2011-02-09 12:48:18 eby @quote random 2011-02-09 12:48:18 zoia eby: Quote #2007: "<edsu> it's all hokey at some level" (added by mjgiarlo at 03:36 PM, September 24, 2009) 2011-02-09 12:48:21 MrDys a woohoo 2011-02-09 12:48:39 eby @eightball hokey all the way down? 2011-02-09 12:48:40 zoia eby: Maybe... 2011-02-09 12:51:40 MrDys enterprise-level hokey 2011-02-09 12:55:21 jtgorman let's see if my now-flaky laptop can stay connected to the network this afternoon... 2011-02-09 12:55:41 jtgorman jtgorman isn't liking what ubuntu has done with the wireless tools 2011-02-09 12:56:57 dbs jtgorman: Fedora is your friend 2011-02-09 12:57:14 akorphan NAP NOW PLZ 2011-02-09 12:57:44 zoia Ooh, that smell / Can't you smell that smell? / Ooh, that smell / The smell of anna3lc_ surrounds you... 2011-02-09 12:58:52 pberry No nap, MOAR COFFEE 2011-02-09 12:58:59 jtgorman dbs: I may be switching, except for the fact that I started out with trying to install fedora on this laptop and it was having a lot of issues 2011-02-09 12:59:03 jtgorman :P 2011-02-09 12:59:13 akorphan full of coffee and pasta... metabolic processes competing... must... not... fall... into... energetic... stupor... 2011-02-09 12:59:15 jtgorman dbs: makes me a little nervous about trying again... 2011-02-09 12:59:20 dbs heh 2011-02-09 12:59:30 MrDys my talk is gonna wake you up 2011-02-09 12:59:31 jtgorman dbs: have some virtual machines with fedora on them though ;) 2011-02-09 13:00:02 mbklein MrDys: Am I going to need a blast shield? 2011-02-09 13:00:12 MrDys mbklein: yes 2011-02-09 13:00:19 MrDys mbklein: feel free to work that into the intro 2011-02-09 13:00:40 akorphan mbklein: with the blast shield down, you won't be able to see... 2011-02-09 13:01:24 lbjay gsf_: naptime over, little buddy! 2011-02-09 13:02:00 akorphan "I would like to present... the desktop!" 2011-02-09 13:02:02 ksclarke ksclarke hears that in lbjay's daddy voice 2011-02-09 13:02:10 scolford I've seen the camera winners! 2011-02-09 13:02:31 lbjay @takify MOMMYDADDY 2011-02-09 13:02:31 zoia Ṃ Ỡ ℳ ℳ Ỵ Ḓ Ȧ Ḏ Ɖ Ƴ 2011-02-09 13:03:06 anna3lc mbklein: i had yr back 2011-02-09 13:03:11 mjg_ mbklein: I architected that win for you. 2011-02-09 13:03:17 robcaSSon mbklein: i booed 2011-02-09 13:03:24 anna3lc lol 2011-02-09 13:03:29 MrDys MC Klein on the mic 2011-02-09 13:03:42 ndushay everyone: DUCK! 2011-02-09 13:03:45 jaron did they use some dieboldatron industries product to pick the winners? 2011-02-09 13:03:47 ndushay and COVER! 2011-02-09 13:03:53 mjg_ SHUT DOWN 2011-02-09 13:04:03 akorphan mbklein is mc klein 2011-02-09 13:04:06 anarchivist http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/2011/feb/08/spaghettios-sparked-alleged-samurai-sword-attack/ 2011-02-09 13:04:10 lbjay i haz no flip 2011-02-09 13:04:17 edsu mbklein++ 2011-02-09 13:04:18 scolford soundboard++ 2011-02-09 13:04:20 MrDys "you people" 2011-02-09 13:04:20 mjg_ mbklein++ 2011-02-09 13:04:21 BigD Mmm, cheese 2011-02-09 13:04:22 lbjay mbklein++ 2011-02-09 13:04:36 robcaSSon mbklein++ # he should sing all the intros 2011-02-09 13:04:39 mjg_ MrDys: he's so racist 2011-02-09 13:04:41 ranti GIS++ 2011-02-09 13:04:45 cazzerson tshearerlib++ 2011-02-09 13:05:04 mbklein MrDys: What does he mean by "you people" 2011-02-09 13:05:05 mbklein ? 2011-02-09 13:05:11 anna3lc hi mike 2011-02-09 13:05:12 akorphan Hi Mike! 2011-02-09 13:05:13 MrDys mbklein: you're the one that said it 2011-02-09 13:05:16 duspal Hi Mike 2011-02-09 13:05:27 mbklein MrDys: That was MC me. This is channel me. 2011-02-09 13:05:31 MrDys oh, right 2011-02-09 13:05:48 jtgorman mbklein: what happens if MC you channels channel you? What does the 245 look like? 2011-02-09 13:05:49 BigD What do YOU mean, you people? 2011-02-09 13:05:54 ndushay mbklein: where is winner you? 2011-02-09 13:06:08 mbklein ndushay: everywhere 2011-02-09 13:06:15 anna3lc mbklein: "you people: = the ones you don't depend on 2011-02-09 13:06:34 lbjay why does no one else have mic problems. humfph! 2011-02-09 13:06:35 jrochkind @google open layers 2011-02-09 13:06:36 mbklein anna3lc++ word 2011-02-09 13:06:36 zoia jrochkind: OpenLayers: Home: <http://openlayers.org/>; OpenLayers Examples: <http://openlayers.org/dev/examples/>; What is OpenLayers? — OpenLayers: <http://docs.openlayers.org/>; OpenLayers - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OpenLayers>; OpenLayers | drupal.org: <http://drupal.org/project/openlayers>; OpenLayers: <http://trac.osgeo.org/openlayers/>; OpenLayers Info Sheet | (1 more message) 2011-02-09 13:06:43 lbjay i mean he's not even talking at the mic 2011-02-09 13:06:54 pmurray joke_fail++ 2011-02-09 13:06:59 davidWalker joke_fail++ 2011-02-09 13:07:13 erikhatcher http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_zJk2WblZSjM/TQN1sdBv_KI/AAAAAAAAAOQ/tXC2C8cUU_4/s1600/far-side-what-dogs-hear.jpg - blah blah Solr blah blah 2011-02-09 13:07:16 pmurray @karma contentdm 2011-02-09 13:07:16 zoia pmurray: Karma for "contentdm" has been increased 1 time and decreased 9 times for a total karma of -8. 2011-02-09 13:07:25 jtgorman lbjay: next time, deep breaths, just like your doctor tells you 2011-02-09 13:07:35 mbklein MrDys: Did you bring a distortion pedal? 2011-02-09 13:07:50 MrDys mbklein: talkbox 2011-02-09 13:07:52 robcaSSon erikhatcher++ # heh 2011-02-09 13:07:53 edsu atom++ 2011-02-09 13:07:56 pberry Speaking of which, did CDM 6 come out yet 2011-02-09 13:08:09 erikhatcher robcaSSon: woof 2011-02-09 13:08:10 mbklein MrDys++ 2011-02-09 13:08:29 eby eby should do his lightning talk through t-pain auto tuner app 2011-02-09 13:08:29 ndushay some slides give me deja vu - anyone else? 2011-02-09 13:08:34 mbklein MrDys: Vocoder. "Here to present for Sean, here's Laurie Anderson." 2011-02-09 13:08:40 mbklein eby++ 2011-02-09 13:08:42 MrDys mbklein++ 2011-02-09 13:08:46 mtomko "This is the time" 2011-02-09 13:08:52 mbklein mtomko++ 2011-02-09 13:08:52 scolford eby++ 2011-02-09 13:08:52 mtomko And this is the record of the time. 2011-02-09 13:09:07 edsu this_talk++ 2011-02-09 13:09:28 mtomko I'm glad I didn't skip to get real coffee. 2011-02-09 13:09:55 anarchivist openlayers++ 2011-02-09 13:09:59 ranti ranti wondering if can do tag cloud for the words used on all slides presentations 2011-02-09 13:10:09 lbjay no, you're reading mike's presentation 2011-02-09 13:10:12 mbklein all_polygons_are_rectangles++ 2011-02-09 13:10:13 julia_ ranti: That would rock! 2011-02-09 13:10:23 lbjay which is great, btw 2011-02-09 13:10:25 scolford mbklein: liar! 2011-02-09 13:10:35 jaron no apologies. this is good stuff 2011-02-09 13:10:42 robcaSSon @love lying 2011-02-09 13:10:45 zoia robcaSSon: The operation succeeded. robcaSSon loves lying. 2011-02-09 13:10:54 erikhatcher no, solr can't do that yet 2011-02-09 13:11:12 mbklein tim_shearer++ mike_graves++ 2011-02-09 13:11:24 mbklein lbjay's_microphone_skillz-- 2011-02-09 13:11:30 mbklein lbjay: ;) 2011-02-09 13:11:32 anarchivist holy crap that's aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaawesome 2011-02-09 13:11:39 timmcgeary facet_joke++ 2011-02-09 13:11:49 anarchivist @sing fugazi : facet squared 2011-02-09 13:11:50 zoia Cool's eternal, but it always dated / They should never touch the ground / It's not worth, it's the investment / That keeps us tied up in all these strings 2011-02-09 13:11:50 MrDys I dig this 2011-02-09 13:11:54 was this is super cool 2011-02-09 13:11:56 knickum gis_on_the_cheap++ 2011-02-09 13:12:07 anarchivist hugh_morton++ # it's a fucking awesome collection 2011-02-09 13:12:17 ksclarke hugh_morton_photos++ 2011-02-09 13:12:18 jrochkind this is awesome 2011-02-09 13:12:20 jrochkind i want his code. 2011-02-09 13:12:32 ndushay code4lib2011++ 2011-02-09 13:12:34 timmcgeary unintentional_bell-- 2011-02-09 13:12:37 anarchivist unc++ 2011-02-09 13:12:38 anna3lc what is the relationship btwn open layers and google maps? 2011-02-09 13:12:42 escowles_ switching_maps++ 2011-02-09 13:12:45 atz persistent_links++! 2011-02-09 13:12:49 jrochkind i want this to be a blacklight plugin 2011-02-09 13:12:52 chelociraptor *I* want his brains! 2011-02-09 13:12:53 atz cool_urls++ 2011-02-09 13:13:03 jaron jaron hopes for a github link at the end of this 2011-02-09 13:13:11 anarchivist anna3lc: openlayers is a javascript library for displaying map data 2011-02-09 13:13:16 cbeer jrochkind: we might be tackling mapping within blacklight this year 2011-02-09 13:13:19 scolford NOICE 2011-02-09 13:13:21 bess jrochkind++ that would be awesome 2011-02-09 13:13:23 atz yes! 2011-02-09 13:13:25 bess cbeer++ 2011-02-09 13:13:26 anarchivist anna3lc: you can load map data from google maps among other things 2011-02-09 13:13:30 awead sweet! 2011-02-09 13:13:31 freqlurker wow 2011-02-09 13:13:37 ranti awesomesauce 2011-02-09 13:13:42 anarchivist unc++ 2011-02-09 13:13:43 ndushay cbeer++ 2011-02-09 13:13:51 escowles_ want to steal this 2011-02-09 13:13:53 anarchivist blacklight++ 2011-02-09 13:13:55 lbjay i want to point something like this at the sky and have stellar objects as my facets 2011-02-09 13:13:55 jrochkind cbeer: i am impressed byt he clustering openlayers provides. seems to make it possible to put tens (hundreds?) of thousands of items on a map at once. 2011-02-09 13:13:56 cbeer totally going to steal their interface 2011-02-09 13:13:57 scolford unc++ 2011-02-09 13:13:57 pyott this rocks! 2011-02-09 13:14:01 pmurray backup_slides++ 2011-02-09 13:14:07 anarchivist anarchivist knew there was a reason why he switched to the darkside 2011-02-09 13:14:08 anna3lc anarchivist rad, thankyou 2011-02-09 13:14:09 MrDys lbjay: yeah yeah do that do that 2011-02-09 13:14:16 abarrera unc++ # err when is code4lib gonna be at one of the nc schools? 2011-02-09 13:14:21 ndushay i can see i'm going to be up late working on my presentation - the bar is high. 2011-02-09 13:14:27 anarchivist anna3lc: http://www.openlayers.org/ 2011-02-09 13:14:29 akorphan mmm, metacrap 2011-02-09 13:14:29 MrDys unc asheville isn't unc? 2011-02-09 13:14:35 jrochkind abarrera: we were in asheville last year? 2011-02-09 13:14:54 akorphan MrDys: Only UNC is UNC. Everyone else just borrows the brand. 2011-02-09 13:14:54 abarrera i know, but i'm thinking unc or ncstate :) 2011-02-09 13:14:57 timmcgeary unc = unc chapel hill 2011-02-09 13:15:03 jtgorman MrDys: unc -> chapel hill 2011-02-09 13:15:09 BigD abarrera ate Asheville 2011-02-09 13:15:10 jtgorman usually 2011-02-09 13:15:19 MrDys meeeeeow 2011-02-09 13:15:27 jtgorman jtgorman liked chapel hill the half day he saw of it 2011-02-09 13:15:33 anarchivist nc++ 2011-02-09 13:15:41 dchud definitely a good set of tradeoff decisions here. we prototyped something similar and didn't get nearly as far 2011-02-09 13:15:47 atz rob_away: still away 2011-02-09 13:15:49 atz ? 2011-02-09 13:15:52 pmurray consistency > authority 2011-02-09 13:15:59 jrochkind yeah, this is really impressive 2011-02-09 13:16:04 timmcgeary @ana gis awesomeness 2011-02-09 13:16:05 zoia timmcgeary: On wise messages 2011-02-09 13:16:06 robcaSSon atz: not the rob you're looking for 2011-02-09 13:16:06 mbklein scolford: BPL Fedora repo has a bunch of geodata, and can output GeoRSS. No openlayers integration. Locations are based on subject headings, though, so it's not super-specific. 2011-02-09 13:16:19 mbklein scolford: We need to sit and do that knowledge transfer tonight. :) 2011-02-09 13:16:22 MrDys moron workflow 2011-02-09 13:16:26 timmcgeary zoia++ 2011-02-09 13:16:28 atz pmurray: yeah, since the point of authorities to enforce consistency 2011-02-09 13:16:32 robcaSSon @urbandict knowledge transfer 2011-02-09 13:16:32 akorphan hmm, how does geonames stop its DB from getting metacrapified when people don't immediately find the locatino they want and make a dupe? 2011-02-09 13:16:35 zoia robcaSSon: Error: No definition found. 2011-02-09 13:16:38 anarchivist @ana curation mornoservices 2011-02-09 13:16:39 zoia anarchivist: Cretins veracious moron 2011-02-09 13:16:48 ndushay pounding-- 2011-02-09 13:16:48 scolford mbklein: yes, I want to do shit with that. was frustrated i couldn't include that in the postcards exhibit. 2011-02-09 13:16:55 anarchivist poundcake-- 2011-02-09 13:16:58 mbklein scolford: :( 2011-02-09 13:17:05 lbjay @urbandict poundcake 2011-02-09 13:17:06 escowles_ random_pounding-- # wtf? 2011-02-09 13:17:07 zoia lbjay: poundcake: old-school definition for a broad that hit on the regular; I mean cold waxin' that ass [example] my poundcake is down the basement waitin' on me [/example] ; Pussy-As you eat it, and you pound on it. Comes from the song "Poundcake" by Van Halen. [example] Dude, I just love my baby's poundcake. It's tight, man. [/example] ; Is a term thats used to talk about "One" or "A Group" Of Sexy Females. Usually at a (4 more messages) 2011-02-09 13:17:23 yo_bj grilled_poundcake_with_ice_cream++ 2011-02-09 13:17:24 MrDys how can you have a technology pronounced "wicket" and not have a corresponding "croquet" technology 2011-02-09 13:17:24 ndushay mbklein: challenge for you: work "helicopter" into your next intro. 2011-02-09 13:17:36 akorphan granularity++ 2011-02-09 13:17:53 timmcgeary @ana granularity 2011-02-09 13:17:54 zoia timmcgeary: Grainy ultra 2011-02-09 13:17:54 akorphan topological_granularity++ 2011-02-09 13:18:04 jtgorman MrDys: I'm more worried about ramifications if you need to combine with a StiCKY technology 2011-02-09 13:18:06 scolford whoa escowles_! eek 2011-02-09 13:18:08 atz MrDys: "sticky wicket" # actually a cricket reference ? 2011-02-09 13:18:13 awead @hussein granularity 2011-02-09 13:18:14 zoia awead: Trashily insane guru 2011-02-09 13:18:28 anarchivist http://stereogum.com/635651/thurston-moore-reponds-to-albini-dis/news/ 2011-02-09 13:18:35 mbklein ndushay: Next talk is MrDys. For all I know, he's ARRIVING by helicopter. 2011-02-09 13:18:36 pberry Reminds me of some of the Flickr geoloation stuff 2011-02-09 13:18:43 MrDys mbklein: teleporter 2011-02-09 13:18:49 ndushay mbklein: into the mike, not on the channel. 2011-02-09 13:18:50 anarchivist charper: ping 2011-02-09 13:18:52 decasm_ oooh. good idea for conference contest. pick, say, 3 esoteric words. presenters try to work those words into their presentations. vote at the end for winner. 2011-02-09 13:18:55 atz wicket being something like cricket's version of "an inning" 2011-02-09 13:19:11 ndushay decasm: food challenges. 2011-02-09 13:19:12 charper anarchivist: ? 2011-02-09 13:19:21 jrochkind on earth? not mars? 2011-02-09 13:19:27 anna3lc decasm++ rad idea 2011-02-09 13:19:31 akorphan @sing David Bowie 2011-02-09 13:19:34 zoia I'm not quite sure what I'm supposed to do / So I'll just write some love to you / From Lyrics Mania 2011-02-09 13:19:36 escowles_ scolford: am i the only one hearing random pounding coming from behind the stage? 2011-02-09 13:19:37 akorphan @sing David Bowie : Life on Mars 2011-02-09 13:19:38 zoia Beating up the wrong guy / Oh man! Wonder if he'll ever know / He's in the best selling show / LyricsIs there life on Mars? 2011-02-09 13:19:45 jrochkind this is a super awesome project 2011-02-09 13:19:46 ryscher decasm_: a word, a picture, and a technology 2011-02-09 13:19:55 edsu &clap; 2011-02-09 13:19:55 timmcgeary good talk 2011-02-09 13:19:58 was tshearer++ 2011-02-09 13:19:58 robcaSSon cool stuff 2011-02-09 13:20:05 eby @love awesome projects 2011-02-09 13:20:05 akorphan tshearerlib++ 2011-02-09 13:20:07 zoia eby: The operation succeeded. eby loves awesome projects. 2011-02-09 13:20:11 charper That's so cool - and w/ a substitute presenter no less 2011-02-09 13:20:11 gregjansen1 tagging_in_advance_of_system++ 2011-02-09 13:20:11 scolford escwles_: i'm hearing something, but not from backstage, I don't think 2011-02-09 13:20:13 akorphan Mike_Graves++ 2011-02-09 13:20:17 jtgorman what did jrochkind ask? 2011-02-09 13:20:17 akorphan the_flu-- 2011-02-09 13:20:19 charper tshearer++ 2011-02-09 13:20:24 anarchivist mbklein, ndushay, decasm: http://phdchallenge.org/2010-phd-challenge-winner 2011-02-09 13:20:33 jrochkind how many items can you pull from solr and send to openlayers without destroying it. 2011-02-09 13:20:38 atz "but your toy doesn't scale...." 2011-02-09 13:20:41 erikhatcher erikhatcher claps 2011-02-09 13:20:46 anarchivist This year’s challenge was to get a peer-reviewed, academic paper published that contained the phrase "I Smoke Crack Rocks". Indeed it proved to be a daunting task, as there were only three submissions the entire year. But the reviewing committee’s decision was unanimous: Gabriel’s bold writing style seamlessly weaved the special phrase directly into the text in such a way that one cannot help but to think that the paper would be inc 2011-02-09 13:20:50 atz looks sweet though 2011-02-09 13:20:51 FluMike_ Mike here ... not sure how many items I can't get from Solr to OL 2011-02-09 13:21:00 jrochkind atz: it's still useful if it's got a max, jsut got to use it differnetly. This is way more than a toy, this is real stuff. 2011-02-09 13:21:05 ndushay anarchivist: they needed to show the snippet! 2011-02-09 13:21:10 FluMike_ I've tried up to around 4000 and it still seems pretty good 2011-02-09 13:21:17 atz yeah, no doubt. very impressive 2011-02-09 13:21:20 pbinkley jrochkind: openlayers is pretty scalable 2011-02-09 13:21:24 anna3lc anarchivist++ 2011-02-09 13:21:32 anna3lc @who smokes crack rocks 2011-02-09 13:21:33 zoia kestlund smokes crack rocks. 2011-02-09 13:21:34 ndushay anarchivist++ 2011-02-09 13:21:35 erikhatcher where's the code? 2011-02-09 13:21:37 jrochkind pbinkley: you think you can send 100k things to it? Just the data transmission time might be a problem. 2011-02-09 13:21:50 jrochkind jrochkind Pulling 100k things from Solr at once is a problem for Solr.... unless you use lbjay's trick! 2011-02-09 13:21:52 jaron yes, how to tell what geographic string is a more specific one for this? 2011-02-09 13:21:53 FluMike_ the code is still pretty specific to our environment 2011-02-09 13:22:01 atz http://openlayers.org 2011-02-09 13:22:10 ranti FluMike++ # great project 2011-02-09 13:22:17 FluMike_ thanks :) 2011-02-09 13:22:19 dlovins_ IU++ 2011-02-09 13:22:24 edsu awesome stuff 2011-02-09 13:22:26 atz FluMike_++ 2011-02-09 13:22:28 akorphan Close the blast doors! 2011-02-09 13:22:28 anarchivist The inherent complexity of the dataset explains the low accuracy. The signal properties and quality vary from one call to another and many utterances are directed toward another person rather than toward the system. Also, since the system is being used at night with a wide variety of callers, there are many out-of-domain utterances that the language model does not expect. For example, a caller could yell: “I smoke crack rocks” 2011-02-09 13:22:29 jrochkind FluMike_: you think you could send 100k points to openlayers, without things getting all terrible? 2011-02-09 13:22:32 pbinkley jrochkind: no, I'll bet that's too much - better to do the clustering upstream 2011-02-09 13:22:33 erikhatcher FluMike_++ 2011-02-09 13:22:35 jrochkind FluMike_: super neat project btw. 2011-02-09 13:22:35 edsu MrDys in the house :-) 2011-02-09 13:22:37 flyingzumwalt MrDys++ 2011-02-09 13:22:38 mjg_ MrDys++ # colors 2011-02-09 13:22:38 akorphan ... Open the blast doors! Open the blast doors! 2011-02-09 13:22:42 dchud ecorrado, librarywebchic: we're sitting WAAAAY too close 2011-02-09 13:22:47 jtgorman I used to be able to distinguish green & red 2011-02-09 13:22:48 davidWalker davidWalker is ready to RUMBLE 2011-02-09 13:22:51 edsu awesome cheers 2011-02-09 13:22:52 flyingzumwalt cannedapplause++ 2011-02-09 13:22:53 mjg_ wincing 2011-02-09 13:22:54 FluMike_ I'm guessing 100k objects would probably bring things to a crawl 2011-02-09 13:22:54 anna3lc a generous man; he shares the applause 2011-02-09 13:22:56 jtgorman then I saw MrDys present 2011-02-09 13:22:56 timmcgeary davidWalker++ 2011-02-09 13:22:58 jrochkind pbinkley: yeah, I forget if Solr master has some geo-facetting these days. erikhatcher, you know? 2011-02-09 13:23:00 edsu hey no TIE! 2011-02-09 13:23:03 julia__ FluMike++ #I assume you're going to post on the Code4Lib listserv when you release the code? 2011-02-09 13:23:05 BillDueber MrDys++ 2011-02-09 13:23:08 timmcgeary balloon_hats++ 2011-02-09 13:23:09 pberry Honey I shrunk the services 2011-02-09 13:23:12 FluMike_ sure 2011-02-09 13:23:14 helrond i think i know that guy 2011-02-09 13:23:15 ndushay pounding--------- 2011-02-09 13:23:19 FluMike_ I'll try to put something up 2011-02-09 13:23:19 atz i have to believe 100,000 would cripple it... just guessing 2011-02-09 13:23:24 edsu 7_year_itch 2011-02-09 13:23:27 ndushay honey, i'm wearing tubular headgear 2011-02-09 13:23:30 robcaSSon @who hates these cans 2011-02-09 13:23:30 zoia blarg hates these cans. 2011-02-09 13:23:35 FluMike_ I think the problem would be the size of the data going across the network 2011-02-09 13:23:36 jrochkind FluMike_: yes, please share your code even if it's specific to you guys -- sharing your code specific to you guys even would make it WAY easier for me to get started just using yours as a _model_, even if I can't use yours out of the box. 2011-02-09 13:23:40 flyingzumwalt I think that screenshot has lice 2011-02-09 13:23:41 timmcgeary ndushay: it sounds like the sound I heard on my airplane before take off on Monday 2011-02-09 13:23:55 FluMike_ 100k objects would be several megs 2011-02-09 13:23:56 mjg_ what? no huge CMS? is that possible? 2011-02-09 13:24:05 timmcgeary who dropped corn kernels on the screen? 2011-02-09 13:24:07 blarg "die milkface?" 2011-02-09 13:24:09 freqlurker back to BBEdit 2011-02-09 13:24:16 timmcgeary MY EYES!!!! 2011-02-09 13:24:17 BillDueber Rainbow? DOUBLE RAINBOW 2011-02-09 13:24:19 flyingzumwalt feel the love 2011-02-09 13:24:21 cbeer so glad i sat towards the front. 2011-02-09 13:24:24 pberry Double rainbow all the way 2011-02-09 13:24:25 chelociraptor hypno -slides!!!! 2011-02-09 13:24:26 anarchivist mjg_: i'm building my next website on top of fedora. 2011-02-09 13:24:27 mjg_ taste the microrainbow 2011-02-09 13:24:28 akorphan whoa, what was in that coffee? am I tripping? is this a stroke? 2011-02-09 13:24:31 lbjay FluMike_: do you need all the fields for each object? 2011-02-09 13:24:32 awead rainbows++ 2011-02-09 13:24:33 BigD BigD cries 2011-02-09 13:24:33 ranti rainbow_slide+- 2011-02-09 13:24:41 akorphan EVERYBODY LOVES HYPNOTOAD 2011-02-09 13:24:44 freqlurker gah! 2011-02-09 13:24:45 mjg_ I think I just got a tan. 2011-02-09 13:24:46 blarg akorphan: it's just a high level of microservices in your blood 2011-02-09 13:24:49 timmcgeary Man, someone needs to do a lightning talk auto-tuned 2011-02-09 13:24:51 jaron MY EYES! 2011-02-09 13:24:53 duspal ALL POWER TO THE HYPNOTOAD! 2011-02-09 13:24:54 Baroquem That's cheerful. 2011-02-09 13:24:57 anna3lc colors++ 2011-02-09 13:24:57 akorphan blarg: is that like midichlorians? 2011-02-09 13:25:00 mjg_ timmcgeary++ # great idea 2011-02-09 13:25:01 escowles_ escowles_ blinded 2011-02-09 13:25:01 FluMike_ lbjay: the only field you really need is the lat/long 2011-02-09 13:25:07 joy radioactice 2011-02-09 13:25:08 edsu microservices_not_new++ 2011-02-09 13:25:10 BillDueber Not sure I'd call taht "micro" 2011-02-09 13:25:12 ndushay mjg++ 2011-02-09 13:25:16 lbjay FluMike_: yeah, so maybe you could use my "trick" 2011-02-09 13:25:22 tbw not accessable to the colorblind 2011-02-09 13:25:22 jrochkind FluMike_: apparently sending ~3K is no problem, since one of your examples had like ~3K. Clustered of course, but clustered by openlayers, so I guess all 3K are setn to openlayers. that's pretty awesome. 2011-02-09 13:25:28 timmcgeary @karma timmcgeary 2011-02-09 13:25:29 zoia timmcgeary: Karma for "timmcgeary" has been increased 13 times and decreased 0 times for a total karma of 13. 2011-02-09 13:25:33 ndushay microservices --> modular services? 2011-02-09 13:25:39 mjg_ ndushay: basically. 2011-02-09 13:25:45 blarg akorphan: sort of, except instead of Force powers they just slow all ofyour metabolic processes down in a modular way 2011-02-09 13:25:46 pjb1 no_color-- 2011-02-09 13:25:47 cbeer awfully greyscale 2011-02-09 13:25:49 anarchivist ndushay: precisely 2011-02-09 13:25:54 ndushay flowchartt? 2011-02-09 13:25:55 FluMike_ yeah, OL is good with up to 3k at least 2011-02-09 13:25:58 chelociraptor B&W diagram ... ? 2011-02-09 13:26:02 mbklein FluMike++ 2011-02-09 13:26:02 mjg_ though in our explorations, things like storage and ingest are starting to look pretty macro. 2011-02-09 13:26:08 lbjay FluMike_: jrochkind suggested i make a more generic version of the query component 2011-02-09 13:26:08 bess How do the Social network dine-arounds work? 2011-02-09 13:26:09 gregjansen1 aka, functional decomposition? 2011-02-09 13:26:15 bess Is there a page for that? 2011-02-09 13:26:19 freqlurker calming blue to angry red 2011-02-09 13:26:23 davidWalker oh the humanity! 2011-02-09 13:26:27 escowles_ escowles_ was soothed, but now suddenly not 2011-02-09 13:26:30 akorphan FluMike_! We miss you at the conference! 2011-02-09 13:26:38 FluMike_ the query component is very generic 2011-02-09 13:26:40 lbjay FluMike_: which you don't know what i'm talking about because you have the flu and aren't here 2011-02-09 13:26:42 charper why am I suddenly angry at json? 2011-02-09 13:26:43 mjg_ these slides will be burned into my retinas for weeks 2011-02-09 13:26:46 jtgorman pjb1: wait, you don't see the pink elephants on the slide? 2011-02-09 13:26:49 scolford OW 2011-02-09 13:26:51 mbklein OW OW OW OW OW 2011-02-09 13:26:53 mjg_ {++ 2011-02-09 13:26:53 ndushay mbklein-- # no "helicopter" 2011-02-09 13:26:54 FluMike_ you can do a straight up solr query in the url 2011-02-09 13:26:55 pyott blindess 2011-02-09 13:26:56 freqlurker geezus my eyes 2011-02-09 13:27:11 julia__ fuschia-- 2011-02-09 13:27:16 ndushay what is he calling "chops" ? 2011-02-09 13:27:17 freqlurker no mustache rides here 2011-02-09 13:27:23 mjg_ MrDys++ 2011-02-09 13:27:24 FluMike_ the interface is just a Solr search with the results presented geographically 2011-02-09 13:27:24 duspal An exercise in eye stamina 2011-02-09 13:27:26 atz ndushay: mutton chops 2011-02-09 13:27:26 pberry @google mustache template 2011-02-09 13:27:28 anna3lc anna3lc loves hot pink and lime green this presentation is tops 2011-02-09 13:27:28 zoia pberry: {{ mustache }}: <http://mustache.github.com/>; defunkt/mustache - GitHub: <https://github.com/defunkt/mustache>; EASY: Mustache Disguise - Printable Template: <http://easymakesmehappy.blogspot.com/2010/06/mustache-disguise-printable-template.html>; Mustache on a Stick - Martha Stewart Crafts: <http://www.marthastewart.com/article/mustache-on-a-stick>; Quick Tip: Using the Mustache Template Library | Nettuts+: (2 more messages) 2011-02-09 13:27:29 anarchivist @ana mustache commuting 2011-02-09 13:27:29 zoia anarchivist: Mouth magnetic scum 2011-02-09 13:27:37 mbklein markdown++ 2011-02-09 13:27:38 danhorst markdown++ 2011-02-09 13:27:41 ndushay atz: no no - what microservice 2011-02-09 13:27:42 jaron html5 2011-02-09 13:27:43 akorphan I don't know if I can take a technology called Mustache seriously. 2011-02-09 13:27:44 tbw Do you need a mustache to use mustache? 2011-02-09 13:27:53 anarchivist tbw: it helps 2011-02-09 13:27:55 mjg_ has zalgotext been on a slide yet? I feel like that needs to happen. 2011-02-09 13:27:57 eby @love markdown 2011-02-09 13:27:59 zoia eby: The operation succeeded. eby loves markdown. 2011-02-09 13:28:11 jtgorman tbw: you can virtualized one 2011-02-09 13:28:23 ndushay omg - "css" is pronounced "sas" ? 2011-02-09 13:28:26 pmurray SAS statistical package? 2011-02-09 13:28:28 akorphan tbw: you can borrow MrDys's 2011-02-09 13:28:31 jaron sass/haml 2011-02-09 13:28:31 anarchivist ndushay: no, Sass 2011-02-09 13:28:33 atz ndushay: dunno 2011-02-09 13:28:36 anarchivist @google sass 2011-02-09 13:28:37 mbklein ndushay: No, there's an actual CSS DSL called Sass. 2011-02-09 13:28:37 zoia anarchivist: Sass - Syntactically Awesome Stylesheets: <http://sass-lang.com/>; SASS-Home of Cowboy Action Shooting: <http://www.sassnet.com/>; sass - definition of sass by the Free Online Dictionary, Thesaurus ...: <http://www.thefreedictionary.com/sass>; DHS: Child Mental Health (SASS) Services: <http://www.dhs.state.il.us/page.aspx?item=30884>; Jennifer Sass's Blog | Switchboard, from NRDC: (1 more message) 2011-02-09 13:28:41 lbjay "it's like this thing you've never heard of" 2011-02-09 13:28:42 davidWalker cs-- 2011-02-09 13:28:45 davidWalker css-- 2011-02-09 13:28:52 bess awead: Do we have a strategy for telling people about dinner? Or shall we just annouce the restaurant at the breakout session? 2011-02-09 13:28:52 anarchivist @sing the vss 2011-02-09 13:28:53 zoia anarchivist: No songs found by the vss 2011-02-09 13:28:54 ndushay i am sooooo ignorant 2011-02-09 13:29:06 BillDueber ndushay: s/ignorant/drunk/ 2011-02-09 13:29:07 anarchivist bess: y'all are going to the irish lion, right? 2011-02-09 13:29:15 jaron jaron wants variables for colors in CSS 2011-02-09 13:29:18 bess anarchivist: yup. gonna talk about hydra 2011-02-09 13:29:27 dchud according to my sister (went here in the 1980s) one of the pieces of furniture in the 2nd floor lounge is (or was?) widely known as the Sacred Lounge of Innocence 2011-02-09 13:29:28 anarchivist bess: cool, might come along 2011-02-09 13:29:31 gregjansen1 insert_zalgo_in_other_peoples_slide++ 2011-02-09 13:29:32 escowles_ ignorance can be fixed, drunk is until tomorrow 2011-02-09 13:29:34 anarchivist bess: i need to get my hands dirty 2011-02-09 13:29:37 BillDueber jaron: Any of the css languages (sass, compass, etc) will dot hat. 2011-02-09 13:29:40 ndushay BillDueber: uhhh 2011-02-09 13:29:44 jtgorman oh nice, Ineed to look into compass 2011-02-09 13:29:47 bess anyone who wants to talk about hydra (or just wants to have dinner with the hydra people) is very welcome at the irish lion tonight 2011-02-09 13:29:50 anna3lc want compass 2011-02-09 13:29:50 jtgorman like the additional abstraction 2011-02-09 13:29:55 scolford jquery++ 2011-02-09 13:29:55 anarchivist jqueryui++ 2011-02-09 13:30:04 anna3lc jquery_everything++ 2011-02-09 13:30:12 jaron BillDueber: i want that feature in CSS itself. tried less, sass, etc. 2011-02-09 13:30:13 jtgorman jquery++ 2011-02-09 13:30:14 mbklein But "crazy hack" is all I know! 2011-02-09 13:30:18 pjb1 ribs++ 2011-02-09 13:30:18 akorphan OMGWTFBBQ 2011-02-09 13:30:21 jstirnaman that was nice! 2011-02-09 13:30:28 jtgorman bess: might swing by 2011-02-09 13:30:32 gregjansen1 bess: looking forward to it, conflict w/UNC game 2011-02-09 13:30:49 jaron bess: not great veg*n options there it doesn't seem. might show up later 2011-02-09 13:30:50 jtgorman bess: any idea how many people are interested in it? 2011-02-09 13:31:07 anarchivist jaron: yeah, that came up when we were thinking about doing a conference happy hour there 2011-02-09 13:31:19 duspal Anyone else using JQuery BBQ? 2011-02-09 13:31:19 mbklein bess: What time? Gotta coordinate with a couple other plans 2011-02-09 13:31:28 timmcgeary Google flavored with BBQ? 2011-02-09 13:31:32 mbklein eight_bit_git_logo++ 2011-02-09 13:31:38 mjg_ git++ 2011-02-09 13:31:40 bess jtgorman: no, we don't have a head count yet 2011-02-09 13:31:40 anna3lc 8bit++ 2011-02-09 13:31:41 timmcgeary can I get some hush puppies with that? 2011-02-09 13:31:57 abarrera BigD ate JQuery BBQ 2011-02-09 13:31:59 pmurray Holding all of these components in my head is breaking my brain. 2011-02-09 13:32:05 mbklein timmcgeary: At Restaurant Tallent, you can get pimiento cheese tater tots. 2011-02-09 13:32:06 tbw what if you get BBQ sauce in your Mustache:? 2011-02-09 13:32:11 BigD abarrera: Mmm! 2011-02-09 13:32:13 bess mbklein: 18:30 2011-02-09 13:32:16 erikhatcher mmm, bbq! 2011-02-09 13:32:17 anna3lc in which MrDys schools us on everything awesome 2011-02-09 13:32:18 pyott slides are a like a Warhol "happening" 2011-02-09 13:32:20 erikhatcher what was for lunch today? 2011-02-09 13:32:21 pberry Heh 2011-02-09 13:32:22 mjg_ MrDys++ # "who wants to do that?" 2011-02-09 13:32:24 pberry Ant 2011-02-09 13:32:27 jaron @who wants to do that? 2011-02-09 13:32:28 zoia tekonivel wants to do that. 2011-02-09 13:32:29 mbklein erikhatcher: carbs 2011-02-09 13:32:29 escowles_ bonsai: microservice macroizer? 2011-02-09 13:32:31 chelociraptor tbw: bbq mutton chops? 2011-02-09 13:32:33 timmcgeary pmurray: you need to re-configure your workstation into a kitchen 2011-02-09 13:32:35 dchud "banzai" is what you say when you're a kamikaze. "bonsai" is a tiny tree. didn't MrDys see karate kid? 2011-02-09 13:32:39 ndushay who wants to have dinner w me? please apply. 2011-02-09 13:32:44 highermath_aw just don't let the ants near your bonsai 2011-02-09 13:33:22 davidWalker this is great 2011-02-09 13:33:23 ndushay buffering ... 2011-02-09 13:33:25 akorphan wow, that one is beginning to look like a TRIPLE rainbow 2011-02-09 13:33:25 flyingzumwalt posted information for the Hydra dine-around tonight. Sign up! http://wiki.code4lib.org/index.php/C4L2011_social_activities#.22Social_Network_Dine_Arounds.22 2011-02-09 13:33:28 mbklein That's a pretty slide. 2011-02-09 13:33:32 erikhatcher ouch... "but who wants to do that?" 2011-02-09 13:33:35 flyingzumwalt lemonade++ 2011-02-09 13:33:38 ranti food_flavored_projects++ 2011-02-09 13:33:40 bess ndushay: I want to have dinner with you! I suggest the Irish Lion. :) 2011-02-09 13:33:43 ndushay mbklein: a bit hard to read, though. 2011-02-09 13:33:44 timmcgeary now I'm getting thirsty 2011-02-09 13:33:47 maccabee Most. Useful. Talk. Ever. 2011-02-09 13:33:55 maccabee tool candy 2011-02-09 13:34:02 anarchivist my talk: totally useless 2011-02-09 13:34:04 atz cool idea 2011-02-09 13:34:05 ndushay WOW 2011-02-09 13:34:22 ndushay anarchivist: my talk - also totally useless. 2011-02-09 13:34:27 eby anarchivist: Should have called yours picking corn out of shit 2011-02-09 13:34:29 pmurray I think I'm going to have to go back and watch the recording of this a few times. Lots of good stuff here. 2011-02-09 13:34:29 ranti very useful tool 2011-02-09 13:34:29 BigD I'm thinking White Castle run tonight... 2011-02-09 13:34:33 anarchivist eby++ 2011-02-09 13:34:35 ndushay eby++ 2011-02-09 13:34:36 robcaSSon eby++ 2011-02-09 13:34:40 jtgorman oh wow, flashbacks to doing postscript/pdf type stuff 2011-02-09 13:34:41 knickum pmurray++ me too 2011-02-09 13:34:41 maccabee it's not about the file size, it's about the total number of browser connections needed 2011-02-09 13:34:45 bess eby++ 2011-02-09 13:34:45 akorphan BigD++ tempting... 2011-02-09 13:34:47 maccabee sprites++ 2011-02-09 13:34:47 mbklein anarchivist: I'll work that into the intro. 2011-02-09 13:34:50 pberry Typekit 2011-02-09 13:34:54 jtgorman one giant page and just changing the view area 2011-02-09 13:34:54 lbjay ndushay: don't say that. i actually need to figure out how to do relevancy testing. 2011-02-09 13:35:06 freqlurker lbjay++ 2011-02-09 13:35:06 robcaSSon @quote search dashes 2011-02-09 13:35:09 mjg_ eby++ # speaking of, corn whiskey tonight? 2011-02-09 13:35:10 ndushay i'm choking! 2011-02-09 13:35:10 zoia robcaSSon: 1 found: #1484: "<bowerbird> em-dashes might not seem important,..." 2011-02-09 13:35:11 ecorrado when life gives you sprites, use lemonade 2011-02-09 13:35:20 ndushay ecorrado++ 2011-02-09 13:35:31 mlevy ouch 2011-02-09 13:35:32 akorphan when life gives you lemons, shut up and eat your damn lemons. 2011-02-09 13:35:32 mbklein I'm being watched. 2011-02-09 13:35:33 sekjal the eye is watching! 2011-02-09 13:35:34 abarrera he's hypnotizing us with this one 2011-02-09 13:35:36 eefcee yikes! 2011-02-09 13:35:41 mbklein akorphan++ # GRANDMA? 2011-02-09 13:35:48 flyingzumwalt I feel a strange stirring deep down when I look at this slide 2011-02-09 13:35:49 tdonohue_ have I gone color blind in the middle of this talk? 2011-02-09 13:35:49 ndushay optonimicon 2011-02-09 13:35:50 timmcgeary timmcgeary has an incredible urge to eat bacon now 2011-02-09 13:35:50 mlevy you are getting sleepy...sleepy.... you can hear only my voice... 2011-02-09 13:36:03 flyingzumwalt Doctor Who? 2011-02-09 13:36:09 pyott HAL? 2011-02-09 13:36:15 BigD Mordor 2011-02-09 13:36:15 ranti ranti will totally use my screen reader to read his slides later 2011-02-09 13:36:18 akorphan My God... it's full of stars! 2011-02-09 13:36:18 ndushay Mom?? 2011-02-09 13:36:18 eby mjg_: Sure. Also you doing a data storage break out 2011-02-09 13:36:23 Baroquem Top-down view of a man in a hat standing in a wading pool. 2011-02-09 13:36:27 robcaSSon @hussein migraine aura slide 2011-02-09 13:36:28 pberry firebugs++ 2011-02-09 13:36:28 zoia robcaSSon: Im a geniuss headier insular 2011-02-09 13:36:28 jtgorman this reminds me far more of twilight zone/ outer limits intro 2011-02-09 13:36:30 pjb1 frodo, bring me the ring 2011-02-09 13:36:37 mbklein pjb1++ 2011-02-09 13:36:41 pyott Dave, will I dream? 2011-02-09 13:36:45 pberry Derp 2011-02-09 13:36:46 flyingzumwalt "HAL: Dave, this conversation can serve no purpose anymore. Goodbye. " 2011-02-09 13:36:50 erikhatcher is that slide moving?! 2011-02-09 13:36:51 erikhatcher woah 2011-02-09 13:36:58 ndushay easier to read on the sides 2011-02-09 13:36:59 akorphan I think my brain is melting. 2011-02-09 13:37:04 eby anarchivist: We're getting a large set of music and other digital only files so would be interested in any digital only talks 2011-02-09 13:37:04 ndushay look left, look right 2011-02-09 13:37:05 mjg_ eby: maybe, haven't decided. 2011-02-09 13:37:16 ndushay two of these people will be leaving thursday 2011-02-09 13:37:18 mbklein MrDys takes the "how would your slides look on a t-shirt?" approach to presentation design 2011-02-09 13:37:20 akorphan pyott: For an interesting experience in disappointment, watch 2001 and 2010 back to back. 2011-02-09 13:37:22 pmurray Yeah, but without a WYSIWYG editor, how do users get content into the JSON files? 2011-02-09 13:37:26 ecorrado ecorrado needs a good way to deal with hours 2011-02-09 13:37:32 robcaSSon has anyone double-checked these tools? i think this is an elaborate hoax 2011-02-09 13:37:34 mjg_ is the slide moving or are all we? 2011-02-09 13:37:42 scolford pmurray: my question too 2011-02-09 13:37:50 pyott akorphan: I have ... It was sad 2011-02-09 13:37:51 ndushay what's wrong with THIS slide? it's so plain. 2011-02-09 13:37:52 ecorrado ecorrado has advocated for all services to be 24/7 so I can just write "Open" 2011-02-09 13:37:54 robcaSSon @band add Mustache Lemonade 2011-02-09 13:37:54 zoia robcaSSon: Band 'Mustache Lemonade' added to list 2011-02-09 13:37:56 Baroquem Baroquem also needs a good way to deal with hours 2011-02-09 13:37:59 mjg_ robcaSSon++ # that would be fantastic 2011-02-09 13:38:00 akorphan pyott: Agreed. 2011-02-09 13:38:01 ksclarke pmurray I was wondering about that too 2011-02-09 13:38:04 lbjay ndushay: needs baby heads 2011-02-09 13:38:07 flyingzumwalt is that the virgin mary on the slide? 2011-02-09 13:38:14 freqlurker my eyes 2011-02-09 13:38:16 lbjay that++ 2011-02-09 13:38:21 mjg_ my goodness 2011-02-09 13:38:23 tokeee I'm scared! 2011-02-09 13:38:25 dileshni this is going to give me nightmares 2011-02-09 13:38:27 mbklein MAKE IT STOP 2011-02-09 13:38:27 pberry This ruined my nap 2011-02-09 13:38:27 jrochkind nobody's going to ask a question until he stops that 2011-02-09 13:38:28 ejk YTMND 2011-02-09 13:38:29 eefcee stop! 2011-02-09 13:38:29 decasm_ kill it! kill it with fire! 2011-02-09 13:38:29 dchud gifparty! 2011-02-09 13:38:31 edsu hahaha, saw that on his facebook page :-) 2011-02-09 13:38:31 anna3lc HELP 2011-02-09 13:38:31 abarrera mrdys++ 2011-02-09 13:38:32 jtgorman i can't look at the screen 2011-02-09 13:38:34 atz phear 2011-02-09 13:38:37 timmcgeary I can't look at the screen either 2011-02-09 13:38:37 mtomko what the hell is that? 2011-02-09 13:38:39 akorphan i think i am dying. 2011-02-09 13:38:41 pyott i won't sleep for days now 2011-02-09 13:38:41 mjg_ not_looking++ 2011-02-09 13:38:44 davidWalker this is the big question 2011-02-09 13:38:44 jstirnaman jstirnaman wishes he would keep saying "mustache templates" 2011-02-09 13:38:45 chelociraptor decasm_++ 2011-02-09 13:38:45 duspal It gets even better over time.... 2011-02-09 13:38:46 harvel MrDys++ 2011-02-09 13:38:47 anarchivist MrDys++ 2011-02-09 13:38:47 yo_bj i've been scarred for life. 2011-02-09 13:38:47 maxxkrakoa kill it! kill it in the face!!! 2011-02-09 13:38:48 ndushay is that Sean up there? w/o facial hair 2011-02-09 13:38:48 akorphan nightmare_fuel-- 2011-02-09 13:38:49 bohyunkim plz stop++++ 2011-02-09 13:38:59 mbklein Our poor overseas streaming participants... 2011-02-09 13:39:01 robcaSSon MrDys++ # jackassery 2011-02-09 13:39:04 mjg_ can I open my eyes yet? 2011-02-09 13:39:06 ndushay Sean w/o facial hair + Julia Roberts' lips? 2011-02-09 13:39:08 mbklein maxxkrakoa++ 2011-02-09 13:39:13 mjg_ mjg_ shudders 2011-02-09 13:39:14 jrochkind hours change more often. winter break hours. summer hours. finals week hours. snow emergency hours. 2011-02-09 13:39:22 joy they're both julia 2011-02-09 13:39:25 akorphan MrDys-- # nightmare generation 2011-02-09 13:39:35 ndushay FAKE OUT! 2011-02-09 13:39:40 mjg_ Freud warned us about staring into the abyss 2011-02-09 13:40:03 pberry Web sites are never completed, only abandoned 2011-02-09 13:40:08 robcaSSon @decide baby heads or mustache lemonade 2011-02-09 13:40:08 bess mjg_: wasn't that Nietzsche? 2011-02-09 13:40:09 zoia robcaSSon: go with mustache lemonade 2011-02-09 13:40:10 edsu will c4lj be willing to change their background colors for a special issue, is a better question :-) 2011-02-09 13:40:10 jstirnaman MrDys++ 2011-02-09 13:40:16 pmurray Three ti--i-i-mes a lady... 2011-02-09 13:40:17 mjg_ bess++ # ugh, of course. 2011-02-09 13:40:20 ndushay MrDys++ 2011-02-09 13:40:23 escowles_ edsu++ 2011-02-09 13:40:27 lbjay @reminder 1000 MrDys: hey, you should write that talk up as a c4l journal article 2011-02-09 13:40:27 zoia lbjay: OK. I'll remind you in 1000 seconds 2011-02-09 13:40:30 dlovins_ MrDys++ 2011-02-09 13:40:31 pberry Here comes anarchivist 2011-02-09 13:40:32 atz jrochkind: http://dorward.me.uk/www/css/inheritance/ # is what i was thinking of 2011-02-09 13:40:39 robcaSSon now this presentation is definitely fake 2011-02-09 13:40:40 ranti MrDys++ 2011-02-09 13:40:50 lbjay sad_oboe++ 2011-02-09 13:40:51 freqlurker sad_trombone++ 2011-02-09 13:40:52 ejk MrDys++ 2011-02-09 13:40:52 gluejar c4lj_rainbow_pages++ 2011-02-09 13:40:54 bess anarchivist++ # just on general principle 2011-02-09 13:40:55 mbklein sad_trombone++ 2011-02-09 13:40:56 mjg_ bess: Freud warned us about some other things that maybe are a whole 'nother topic. 2011-02-09 13:41:01 mbklein anarchivist++ 2011-02-09 13:41:03 ejk anarchivist++ 2011-02-09 13:41:06 flyingzumwalt MrDys++ Please post those slides. My eyes are in withdrawl 2011-02-09 13:41:08 timmcgeary is there an app for that sad_trombone? 2011-02-09 13:41:09 lbjay @fight "sad oboe" "sad trombone" 2011-02-09 13:41:10 zoia lbjay: sad trombone: 34200, sad oboe: 17500 2011-02-09 13:41:17 gregjansen1 forensics++ 2011-02-09 13:41:19 bess timmcgeary: indeed there is 2011-02-09 13:41:21 ndushay timmcgeary: the app is moi. 2011-02-09 13:41:25 scolford timmcgeary: yes for android 2011-02-09 13:41:27 timmcgeary @ana sad trombone 2011-02-09 13:41:28 zoia timmcgeary: Modern boast 2011-02-09 13:41:29 flyingzumwalt anarchivist++ 2011-02-09 13:41:30 escowles_ pounding----------------------------- 2011-02-09 13:41:31 mjg_ hahah 2011-02-09 13:41:35 mjg_ WAIT FOR IT 2011-02-09 13:41:40 harvel anarchivist++ 2011-02-09 13:41:41 pmurray I'm awake now. 2011-02-09 13:41:44 pjb1 csi: new haven 2011-02-09 13:41:45 pberry Yeeeeeeeaaaaaaaaaaaahh 2011-02-09 13:41:45 ndushay is that the sound of our collection? 2011-02-09 13:41:45 mjg_ he spent days prepping for that 2011-02-09 13:41:47 ranti standard_disclaimer_blablabla++ 2011-02-09 13:41:50 gregjansen1 "enhance" 2011-02-09 13:41:52 timmcgeary pjb1++ 2011-02-09 13:41:58 lbjay @horatio it's not always that exciting 2011-02-09 13:41:58 ejk @horatio anarchivist 2011-02-09 13:41:58 zoia lbjay: looks like it's ... /O_O/ not always that exciting YEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH 2011-02-09 13:41:59 pyott Yale owes Pete Townsend 18 cents now 2011-02-09 13:41:59 timmcgeary csi: library? 2011-02-09 13:41:59 zoia ejk: looks like anarchivist ... /O_O/ YEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH 2011-02-09 13:42:07 decasm_ i'll use vba to make a gui to track the ip address 2011-02-09 13:42:13 flyingzumwalt @takify CSI 2011-02-09 13:42:13 zoia Č Ṩ Ḯ 2011-02-09 13:42:18 mjg_ pyott++ 2011-02-09 13:42:24 paulalbert I will quickly take off my sunglasses to watch this presentation. 2011-02-09 13:42:28 BigD CSI WhereeverthehellMarksworkingthisweek 2011-02-09 13:42:32 akorphan "It looks like someone tried to put this project" .. (puts on shades)... "... back into the archive." YEEEEAAAAH! 2011-02-09 13:42:40 flyingzumwalt @rate CSI Miami : CSI Las Vegas 2011-02-09 13:42:47 zoia flyingzumwalt: CSI: 8.6; Miami: 8.8; :: 8.6; CSI: 8.6; Las: 9.6; Vegas: 9.1. Las rocks! 2011-02-09 13:42:49 ndushay mjg++ 2011-02-09 13:43:00 ndushay how many of us would be unable to speak if we couldn't move our hands? 2011-02-09 13:43:29 ndushay "do not kick the computer tower" 2011-02-09 13:43:30 flyingzumwalt is he talking about karma? 2011-02-09 13:43:40 ndushay what about Gene Wilder? 2011-02-09 13:44:10 jtgorman bibliographies++ 2011-02-09 13:44:14 decasm_ hmm. i can't seem to resolve those URIs. WORTHLESS!!! 2011-02-09 13:44:14 ecorrado big_book++ 2011-02-09 13:44:16 mbklein @rate "CSI Miami" "CSI Las Vegas" 2011-02-09 13:44:17 lbjay tl;dr 2011-02-09 13:44:17 edsu i wonder if anarchivist read any of these :-) 2011-02-09 13:44:19 zoia mbklein: CSI Miami: 7.7; CSI Las Vegas: 9.9. CSI Las Vegas rocks! 2011-02-09 13:44:33 flyingzumwalt mbklein: thanks for the correction 2011-02-09 13:44:37 pmurray 211 people in channel whoo, hoo us! 2011-02-09 13:44:40 akorphan Is it... MOST excellent? 2011-02-09 13:44:42 flyingzumwalt she voted the same both times 2011-02-09 13:44:43 abarrera 210 2011-02-09 13:44:44 edsu icanhaz cliffnotes? 2011-02-09 13:44:47 mbklein flyingzumwalt: I am the channel bot "did you mean…" service 2011-02-09 13:44:52 abarrera u just jinxed 1 2011-02-09 13:44:55 mjg_ perty slide 2011-02-09 13:44:57 ndushay @rate design principles 2011-02-09 13:45:00 zoia ndushay: design: 9.0; principles: 9.2. principles rocks! 2011-02-09 13:45:12 ecorrado @rate "CSI Bloomington" "pounding" 2011-02-09 13:45:16 zoia ecorrado: CSI Bloomington: ?; pounding: 9.7. pounding rocks! 2011-02-09 13:45:32 flyingzumwalt @ana media deterioration 2011-02-09 13:45:32 zoia flyingzumwalt: Radiate dire emotion 2011-02-09 13:45:33 akorphan Did he say "physical ocelots"? 2011-02-09 13:45:44 mbklein He said microservices! <drink> 2011-02-09 13:45:52 akorphan @rate ocelots obsolescence 2011-02-09 13:45:55 zoia akorphan: ocelots: 10.0; obsolescence: 1.1. obsolescence sucks! ocelots rocks! 2011-02-09 13:45:57 mbklein dchud: Your screen is hypnotizing me from a row away. 2011-02-09 13:46:01 flyingzumwalt @ana applied methodology 2011-02-09 13:46:02 zoia flyingzumwalt: Almighty dope poodle 2011-02-09 13:46:20 mbklein flyingzumwalt: You just got yourself a new nickname 2011-02-09 13:46:26 mbklein flyingzumwalt: from zoia 2011-02-09 13:46:32 ndushay where's Quincy? 2011-02-09 13:46:35 flyingzumwalt I love it. 2011-02-09 13:46:41 flyingzumwalt can't remember how to change my nic 2011-02-09 13:46:44 dchud mbklein: MrDys's slides reminded me of a processing sketch i hadn't looked at in a while 2011-02-09 13:46:50 mbklein flyingzumwalt: /nick <whatever> 2011-02-09 13:46:58 mbklein @band add Almighty Dope Poodles 2011-02-09 13:46:58 zoia mbklein: Band 'Almighty Dope Poodles' added to list 2011-02-09 13:47:08 akorphan Hey, distance folks... how are the slides being streamed? 2011-02-09 13:47:08 pmurray Ethical issues out of scope... 2011-02-09 13:47:11 paulalbert ethics shmethics 2011-02-09 13:47:22 almighty_dope aw. cropped nic 2011-02-09 13:47:36 duspal commodore 64++ 2011-02-09 13:47:38 julia__ akorphan: What do you mean, how? Like, quality? 2011-02-09 13:47:39 almightydopep hmm. 2011-02-09 13:47:40 demiankatz 1541++ 2011-02-09 13:47:40 mtomko "remove for operation" 2011-02-09 13:47:42 ejk akorphan: they are switching back and forth between speaker shot and the full screen 2011-02-09 13:47:42 jstirnaman i had one of those 2011-02-09 13:47:50 akorphan Aha 2011-02-09 13:47:50 ndushay almightydopepood: ROTFLMAO 2011-02-09 13:47:59 akorphan ejk had hte answer to the question 2011-02-09 13:47:59 anna3lc diagram++ 2011-02-09 13:48:01 atz droid here means something else, eh? 2011-02-09 13:48:04 duspal Though Vic 20 > Commodore 64 2011-02-09 13:48:07 mjg_ AlDoPoo 2011-02-09 13:48:11 akorphan I can see one of the cameras from my seat and it's framed tight on anarchivist, so I was wondering 2011-02-09 13:48:17 pberry https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/iieeldjdihkpoapgipfkeoddjckopgjg# 2011-02-09 13:48:33 ndushay almightydopepood: may we just call you "dope po" ? 2011-02-09 13:48:52 mbklein pberry: That's pretty cool. 2011-02-09 13:48:53 mjg_ DROID: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PRONOM_technical_registry#DROID 2011-02-09 13:49:05 Baroquem multiple_cameras++ 2011-02-09 13:49:17 mjg_ uc3_curation_foundations++ # good paper 2011-02-09 13:49:18 aldo_poodle aldo_poodle sounds like a character from Agatha Christie 2011-02-09 13:49:20 duspal I started programming in Vic 20 BASIC. Because the Vic was cartridge based, I couldn't save code. I lost everything everytime the Vic turned off... 2011-02-09 13:49:25 MrDys anarchivist++ #for explaining what I did not 2011-02-09 13:49:25 akorphan legos++ 2011-02-09 13:49:26 anna3lc microservices is different from microformats 2011-02-09 13:49:27 cbeer akorphan: they have a video mixing station up front here 2011-02-09 13:49:33 ejk lego++ 2011-02-09 13:49:33 akorphan cbeer: hotness. 2011-02-09 13:49:36 ejk legos-- 2011-02-09 13:49:48 tholbroo tholbroo saved Vic20 programs to audio tapes 2011-02-09 13:49:56 akorphan ejk: unbeliever! 2011-02-09 13:49:58 anna3lc that media box is cute 2011-02-09 13:50:00 mbklein aldo_poodle++ 2011-02-09 13:50:03 chelociraptor aldo_poodle: kinda makes me think of alpo poodle 2011-02-09 13:50:05 sekjal make more toys, and link them together. that's how you get coffee tables! 2011-02-09 13:50:08 sekjal or maybe that's just me 2011-02-09 13:50:14 anna3lc anarchivist++ mad attention to detail 2011-02-09 13:50:18 ejk the plural of "lego" is "lego" 2011-02-09 13:50:19 tokeee tokeee had a tape drive for the Vic 20... If memory serves 2011-02-09 13:50:31 mbklein Aldo Poodle is flyingzumwalt's new sock puppet ID for posting unpopular opinions to hydra-tech 2011-02-09 13:50:33 ejk ejk puts on his pedant hat 2011-02-09 13:50:34 ranti aldo_poodle++ 2011-02-09 13:50:35 ndushay teeny_writting-- 2011-02-09 13:50:36 gregjansen1 this slide rocks 2011-02-09 13:50:37 pberry Scuzzy 2011-02-09 13:50:46 akorphan ejk: Oh, if you want to get PEDANTIC about it... 2011-02-09 13:50:58 escowles_ ejk: not in my ideolect (legos++) 2011-02-09 13:50:58 duspal tholbroo: I was poor back then (and 4 to boot). We didnt have the tape drive.... 2011-02-09 13:51:10 aldo_poodle Screw accessioning. I hate content. I want to make workflows for deaccesioning. 2011-02-09 13:51:14 mbklein mbklein heard that as "…the way the software reddit…" 2011-02-09 13:51:19 mbklein mbklein has to get off the Internet 2011-02-09 13:51:22 akorphan ejk: according to the LEGO group, the term is 'LEGO brick', plural 'LEGO bricks' 2011-02-09 13:51:33 pberry Stop the Internet, I want off 2011-02-09 13:51:33 mjg_ Inspired by yesterday's "pre-note," I've instructed my family not to buy my daughter any toys but rather to donate to the Kuali Foundation 2011-02-09 13:51:51 pberry Haha 2011-02-09 13:51:55 mbklein In my house, the plural of "Lego" is "GO PLAY WITH YOUR DAMN LEGOS" 2011-02-09 13:52:00 ndushay mjg_++ 2011-02-09 13:52:06 ejk akorphan++ indeed 2011-02-09 13:52:08 duspal mbklein++ 2011-02-09 13:52:22 eby @who 's family hates libraries 2011-02-09 13:52:22 zoia wtd 's family hates libraries. 2011-02-09 13:52:23 aldo_poodle Speaking of plurality, what is the plural of Jesus? 2011-02-09 13:52:30 escowles_ neither the lego group, nor anyone else, can control language. if i want to call them legos, i will 2011-02-09 13:52:31 ejk Futura++ 2011-02-09 13:52:34 ndushay mbklein++ # you made my shoulders shake w laughter 2011-02-09 13:52:37 pyott Jesi? 2011-02-09 13:52:39 pjb1 Jesii 2011-02-09 13:52:41 duspal aldo_poodle: Jesi 2011-02-09 13:52:44 akorphan futura++ 2011-02-09 13:52:49 aldo_poodle jesi++ 2011-02-09 13:52:50 akorphan helvetica_neue-- 2011-02-09 13:52:50 ndushay Jesae 2011-02-09 13:52:51 mjg_ aldo_poodle: Santa Clauses 2011-02-09 13:53:07 escowles_ escowles_ steps off linguistic soapbox 2011-02-09 13:53:32 ejk ARROW'D 2011-02-09 13:53:34 duspal -ae is female, -i is male, hence Jesi 2011-02-09 13:53:34 mjg_ escowles_: punk rock lego linguistics icon 2011-02-09 13:53:41 mbklein ejk++ 2011-02-09 13:53:42 ndushay clearly I'm going to have to throw chocolates from the stage to get folks to pay attention. 2011-02-09 13:53:46 mbklein SWORD'ED 2011-02-09 13:53:48 ndushay with a bunch of fakeout throws. 2011-02-09 13:53:59 robcaSSon escowles++ 2011-02-09 13:54:06 aldo_poodle Imagining a crowd of Jesae 2011-02-09 13:54:07 akorphan Ow! My I used to be alive a minute agooooo.... 2011-02-09 13:54:08 tshearerlib homestar++ 2011-02-09 13:54:10 jtgorman I think I may have actually used the sleuth kit before... 2011-02-09 13:54:10 druthb ndushay: throw them *hard*; I'm about halfway back. 2011-02-09 13:54:25 ndushay druthb: sit further forward tomorrow. 2011-02-09 13:54:25 jtgorman jtgorman tries to remember what he used to recover an sd card that got corrupted 2011-02-09 13:54:30 julia__ ndushay: Throw them really hard; some of us are a couple of states away. 2011-02-09 13:54:33 mjg_ digital_forensics++ # need to learn more about this stuff 2011-02-09 13:54:38 ranti ranti also likes presentations that talk about principles and theories 2011-02-09 13:54:42 ndushay julia__ ha ha ha 2011-02-09 13:54:44 aldo_poodle @karma microservices 2011-02-09 13:54:44 zoia aldo_poodle: Karma for "microservices" has been increased 0 times and decreased 1 time for a total karma of -1. 2011-02-09 13:54:45 akorphan Ooncha ooncha one-two-three-cha, gonna eat a breadtangle of pizza. 2011-02-09 13:54:56 akorphan ibahn-- 2011-02-09 13:55:08 ndushay free puppies and kittens will be given away at the end of my talk. 2011-02-09 13:55:12 druthb ndushay: sure thing! 2011-02-09 13:55:13 edsu anarchivist++ # this talk is fun 2011-02-09 13:55:16 akorphan kittens! 2011-02-09 13:55:18 akorphan kittens++ 2011-02-09 13:55:21 ndushay (I need motivation to finish it!) 2011-02-09 13:55:23 druthb kittehs! 2011-02-09 13:55:26 duspal ndushay++ 2011-02-09 13:55:27 mbklein mbklein used to run FidoNET node 109/610 in the Washington DC hub. 2011-02-09 13:55:28 flyingzumwalt The Almighty Dope Poodle has left the room. 2011-02-09 13:55:33 harvel ndushay++ 2011-02-09 13:55:35 bess yeah, anarchivist++ this is fascinating 2011-02-09 13:55:38 ndushay flyingzumwalt++ 2011-02-09 13:55:50 mjg_ microservices_idea++ calling_everything_microservices_to_capitalize_on_buzz-- 2011-02-09 13:55:55 duspal Im taking that back if I dont get my kitteh 2011-02-09 13:56:00 bess mjg_++ LOL 2011-02-09 13:56:01 ecorrado ecorrado is considering a nap breakout session 2011-02-09 13:56:03 tshearerlib fiwalkwithme 2011-02-09 13:56:09 ndushay bess: quit trying to change the topic. 2011-02-09 13:56:16 mbklein mjg_: talking_about_microservices_like_we_understand_them++ 2011-02-09 13:56:19 atz gah, more xml 2011-02-09 13:56:26 ejk XML = drink 2011-02-09 13:56:37 lbjay @ana microservices buzz 2011-02-09 13:56:38 zoia lbjay: Im sic buzz recovers 2011-02-09 13:56:41 akorphan are those F ligatures true ligatures, or is that just how the font is kerned? 2011-02-09 13:56:58 ndushay blacklight!!!! 2011-02-09 13:57:07 mjg_ anarchivist worked on albert finney? 2011-02-09 13:57:08 zoia lbjay: DING DING DING! MrDys: hey, you should write that talk up as a c4l journal article 2011-02-09 13:57:10 jtgorman he's got in his github 2011-02-09 13:57:23 cbeer akorphan: pretty sure they are real ligatures (export from keynote as a pdf) 2011-02-09 13:57:23 pberry That's very cool 2011-02-09 13:57:26 charper Between MrDys and anarchivist presentations, I now have a list of about 30 utilities to play w/ 2011-02-09 13:57:29 edsu woah 2011-02-09 13:57:32 akorphan cbeer: neato 2011-02-09 13:57:35 mbklein gumshoe++ anarchivist++ 2011-02-09 13:57:38 flyingzumwalt https://github.com/anarchivist/gumshoe++ 2011-02-09 13:57:41 robcaSSon anarchivist++ # fun stuff 2011-02-09 13:57:43 pbinkley this was basically dchud's hackfest project at access11 2011-02-09 13:57:49 akorphan There's a foundry that casts futura in metal type... might need to get some. 2011-02-09 13:57:49 ejk github++ 2011-02-09 13:57:55 flyingzumwalt github++ 2011-02-09 13:57:55 ndushay jetpack++ 2011-02-09 13:57:55 cbeer http://xgumshoex.heroku.com/ 2011-02-09 13:58:14 akorphan they also do univers... 2011-02-09 13:58:18 mjg_ anarchivist: it's actually not 2010, and we do now have jetpacks. Update your slide, plz. 2011-02-09 13:58:18 akorphan univers++ 2011-02-09 13:58:29 erikhatcher anarchivist++ 2011-02-09 13:58:33 dchud pbinkley: fowbar told me after hackfest that our project was basically already covered by this stuff :) 2011-02-09 13:58:56 erikhatcher "blah blah Solr blah blah Blacklight blah blah" 2011-02-09 13:58:59 pbinkley dchud: shows the project was well-chosen 2011-02-09 13:59:03 scolford In space, no one can hear you scream. 2011-02-09 13:59:09 charper named_graphs++ 2011-02-09 13:59:18 MrDys my slides: http://www.slideshare.net/MrDys/lets-get-small-a-microservices-approach-to-library-websites 2011-02-09 13:59:27 mbklein kitteh++ 2011-02-09 13:59:30 pyott anarchivist++ 2011-02-09 13:59:30 scolford mrdys++ 2011-02-09 13:59:33 akorphan MrDys: You expect us to look at them again BY CHOICE?! 2011-02-09 13:59:41 ndushay MrDys++ #posting slides quickly rocks. 2011-02-09 13:59:42 flyingzumwalt Is anyone craving Fruity Oaty Bars now? I think MrDys brainwashed me. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=doWOdB1d0mg 2011-02-09 13:59:46 erikhatcher where's the url to gushoe on heroku? 2011-02-09 13:59:52 julia__ flyingzumwalt++ 2011-02-09 13:59:59 cbeer erikhatcher: http://xgumshoex.heroku.com/ 2011-02-09 14:00:01 akorphan hey, where's the presenter clock? 2011-02-09 14:00:03 lbjay anarchivist++ 2011-02-09 14:00:04 cazzerson anarchivist++ # really interesting 2011-02-09 14:00:06 akorphan is it on the podium? 2011-02-09 14:00:08 jeff flyingzumwalt: now i have that stuck in my head without even listening to it. 2011-02-09 14:00:20 flyingzumwalt joss_whedon++ 2011-02-09 14:00:26 cazzerson looks like this is the kind of stuff that Simson Garfinkel has been up to these days 2011-02-09 14:00:30 ecorrado ecorrado has the presenter clock 2011-02-09 14:00:37 mjg_ joss whedon would make a great keynote. 2011-02-09 14:00:41 flyingzumwalt @sing fruity oaty bars 2011-02-09 14:00:42 zoia flyingzumwalt: No songs found by fruity oaty bars 2011-02-09 14:00:44 ecorrado 15 seconds 2011-02-09 14:00:53 ecorrado ecorrado wants a gong 2011-02-09 14:00:54 akorphan and... time! 2011-02-09 14:01:00 akorphan PWAAAANG! 2011-02-09 14:01:02 mjg_ he may have more important things, like coming up with an awesome show idea just to get killed prematurely by Fox, though 2011-02-09 14:01:08 duspal fruit leather > fruity oat bars 2011-02-09 14:01:10 dlovins_ anarchavist++ 2011-02-09 14:01:20 edsu annarchivist++ # nice job 2011-02-09 14:01:21 flyingzumwalt anarchivist++ 2011-02-09 14:01:22 ejk anarchivist++ 2011-02-09 14:01:24 akorphan fruit leather > fruit PVC 2011-02-09 14:01:25 edsu anarchivist++ # nice job 2011-02-09 14:01:31 mjg_ mbklein: DANCE, MONKEY 2011-02-09 14:01:31 charper anarchivist++ # really really good talk 2011-02-09 14:01:33 akorphan giveaway++ 2011-02-09 14:01:34 ndushay mbklein: sing to us. 2011-02-09 14:01:40 gregjansen1 really cool stuff 2011-02-09 14:01:41 pyott anarchivist - very cool work 2011-02-09 14:01:47 chelociraptor anarchavist++ 2011-02-09 14:01:53 ranti anarchivist++ # cool beans 2011-02-09 14:02:26 mjg_ mbklein's_big_internet_holding_hands++ 2011-02-09 14:02:28 timmcgeary mbklein must have really big hands 2011-02-09 14:02:45 timmcgeary or is that the Al Gore version of the Internet? 2011-02-09 14:02:53 dlovins_ http://wiki.code4lib.org/index.php/2011_Breakout_Sessions 2011-02-09 14:02:59 jtgorman "I have the wholeeee net in my hands" *clap clap 2011-02-09 14:03:02 flyingzumwalt I think MrDys burned the projector 2011-02-09 14:03:18 flyingzumwalt the screen looks exhausted 2011-02-09 14:03:27 MrDys retinal workout 2011-02-09 14:04:19 mjg_ way too many for me to suggest the storage breakout 2011-02-09 14:04:27 mjg_ will follow up elsewhere 2011-02-09 14:04:32 ndushay "breakout dinners"? 2011-02-09 14:04:34 decasm_ unbreakout in the unhospitality suite 2011-02-09 14:04:47 mjg_ decasm++ 2011-02-09 14:04:56 robcaSSon decasm_: are we allowed back in? 2011-02-09 14:05:10 mbklein mbklein should'a just tap danced 2011-02-09 14:05:13 decasm_ robcaSSon: yeah, cleaning lady got her hush money 2011-02-09 14:05:18 mbklein mjg_++ 2011-02-09 14:05:25 anarchivist anarchivist collapses 2011-02-09 14:05:26 robcaSSon decasm++ hush_money++ 2011-02-09 14:05:29 ndushay it's the pounders!!!! 2011-02-09 14:05:33 ecorrado why? TOYS! 2011-02-09 14:05:48 mjg_ mjg_ runs digital forensics on anarchivist and discovers excessive amounts of beer 2011-02-09 14:05:55 akorphan let's move beyond moving beyond toys. 2011-02-09 14:05:56 mbklein flyingzumwalt: Isn't the fruity oaty bars commercial supposed to turn me into a precise but uncontrollable murder machine? 2011-02-09 14:06:04 anarchivist mjg_: try running it on robcaSSon and see what you find 2011-02-09 14:06:11 mbklein anarchivist++ mjg_++ 2011-02-09 14:06:17 mjg_ would like to hear "digital library" defined in the presenter's context 2011-02-09 14:06:17 edsu @quote get 1151 2011-02-09 14:06:17 zoia edsu: Quote #1151: "<david_eggers> We care about doing what we want to do creatively. We want to be interested in it. We want it to challenge us. We want it to be difficult. We want to reinvent the stupid thing every time." (added by edsu at 02:18 PM, January 31, 2008) 2011-02-09 14:06:19 mbklein anarchivist: ERROR CODE 420 2011-02-09 14:06:19 abarrera BigD didn't reinvent the wheel, he ate it 2011-02-09 14:06:27 gluejar too many notes 2011-02-09 14:06:29 flyingzumwalt mbklein: why yes, that is the purpose. 2011-02-09 14:06:30 duspal dlacy++ 2011-02-09 14:06:32 atz yo, mjg_, was that git thing supposed to be a breakout? 2011-02-09 14:06:38 robcaSSon "digital forensics" sounds too much like a proctologist visit 2011-02-09 14:06:44 mjg_ atz: could be, I suppose 2011-02-09 14:06:51 flyingzumwalt mbklein: how's your flying dragon kick? 2011-02-09 14:06:51 mjg_ seemed to be pretty popular 2011-02-09 14:06:56 abarrera robcaSSon++ # eww 2011-02-09 14:06:57 druthb Say "METS metadata editor" 5 times fast...then drink a beer, and repeat until you fail. Last one standing wins. 2011-02-09 14:07:03 agd git++ 2011-02-09 14:07:05 mbklein flyingzumwalt: Not as good as Summer's, I daresay. 2011-02-09 14:07:09 mjg_ robcaSSon++ # lulz 2011-02-09 14:07:14 mbklein flyingzumwalt: Or Chiwetel's, for that matter. 2011-02-09 14:07:15 atz mjg_, bshum: ok, i'll get a last minute entry on the wiki 2011-02-09 14:07:31 mjg_ atz++ 2011-02-09 14:07:32 pberry davidWalker: You still watching. 2011-02-09 14:07:43 bshum atz++ #I'll find you :) 2011-02-09 14:07:50 davidWalker pberry: yeah, in between things 2011-02-09 14:07:59 gluejar data proctology 2011-02-09 14:08:07 tokeee mjg_: You were the one that wanted to store bits, right? Our neightbour office is heavily involved in building a national service in Denmark for that. We're currently using it for storing harvested webpages and recorded radio/television. I only know a bit about it, but I'd love to talk about it 2011-02-09 14:08:09 mjg_ Desc MD is my favorite rapper. 2011-02-09 14:08:18 anarchivist wheeeeeeeeeeeeeeee 2011-02-09 14:08:20 anarchivist http://xgumshoex.heroku.com/catalog/172ee9f33c7d068c674b47a9873ecff9bda85443 2011-02-09 14:08:20 eby Were there others playing with bagit and git? cbeer ? 2011-02-09 14:08:30 mjg_ tokeee: excellent! 2011-02-09 14:08:37 edsu anarchivist: that was awesome 2011-02-09 14:08:37 mjg_ eby: we are at PSU 2011-02-09 14:08:41 mbklein Are all the breakouts in here and the solarium? I'm working on a quick 'n' easy way to sort people into groups. 2011-02-09 14:08:48 cbeer eby: only as a toy. 2011-02-09 14:09:00 MrDys anarchivist++ 2011-02-09 14:09:00 anarchivist edsu: thanks man 2011-02-09 14:09:07 lbjay @etym broadside 2011-02-09 14:09:07 zoia lbjay: 1590s, "side of a ship" (technically, "the side of a ship above the water, between the bow and the quarter"), from broad + side; thus "the artillery on one side of a ship all fired off at once" (1590s, with figurative extensions). Two words until late 18c. Of things other than ships, 1630s. But oldest-recorded sense in English is "sheet of paper printed only on one side" (1570s). 2011-02-09 14:09:13 mbklein anarchivist++ 2011-02-09 14:09:16 robcaSSon anarchivist:++ # yeah, fun stuff 2011-02-09 14:09:19 jlhardes_ mbklein: breakouts can be here, solarium, maple room and walnut room (2 of the tree suites from monday) 2011-02-09 14:09:26 BigD anarchivist++ 2011-02-09 14:09:28 pyott mjg_: didn't he perform with DJ Master Mods? 2011-02-09 14:09:32 mbklein jlhardes_: thanks 2011-02-09 14:09:34 edsu MrDys: yours too, i missed a portion of it though since someone came to my door :) 2011-02-09 14:09:34 anarchivist re: the gumshoe stuff - most of that was hacked on this week 2011-02-09 14:09:45 mjg_ tokeee: I think I will go to the curator's workbench breakout, so let's chat otherwise 2011-02-09 14:09:52 bess anarchivist++ awesome presentation. bravo, sir. 2011-02-09 14:09:53 mjg_ pyott++ 2011-02-09 14:09:55 erikhatcher anarchivist++ 2011-02-09 14:09:58 erikhatcher gumshoe++ 2011-02-09 14:10:02 erikhatcher well done, anarchivist 2011-02-09 14:10:04 tokeee mjg_: Let's. I'm the one with the yellow star 2011-02-09 14:10:11 anarchivist bess: thanks, don't know how i pulled it off with this hangover. 2011-02-09 14:10:12 ejk XML = drink 2011-02-09 14:10:14 lbjay @dunno add Unhand me, sir! Or I shall be forced to write a broadside! 2011-02-09 14:10:14 zoia lbjay: The operation succeeded. Dunno #1127 added. 2011-02-09 14:10:21 edsu erikhatcher: reminds me of that stuff ryan mckinley was doing w solr on top of gis files 2011-02-09 14:10:42 mjg_ @horatio "your object was subjected to" artificial dissemination 2011-02-09 14:10:42 zoia mjg_: looks like your object was subjected to ... /O_O/ artificial dissemination YEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH 2011-02-09 14:10:46 erikhatcher edsu: yeah... he's still rocking with that stuff 2011-02-09 14:10:47 edsu anarchivist: so you are liking ruby more these days it looks like? 2011-02-09 14:10:51 edsu erikhatcher: really? 2011-02-09 14:11:15 anarchivist edsu: yeah, writing lots of it; doing some for consulting (blacklight), and plus writing homebrew formulas for it 2011-02-09 14:11:19 mjg_ tokeee++ # I'm the one who is widely mocked for unkempt facial hair. maybe that's not a unique descriptor in this room. 2011-02-09 14:11:21 pyott love any talk that includes "magic things happen"! 2011-02-09 14:11:32 yo_bj magic++ 2011-02-09 14:11:39 erikhatcher edsu: http://voyagergis.com/ 2011-02-09 14:11:40 MrDys @diva Catholica 2011-02-09 14:11:44 zoia MrDys: Wicked Jello Fighter 2011-02-09 14:11:48 librarywebchi robcaSSon: what powers http://www.lib.muohio.edu/multifacet/books/cats?sort=relevance&field=text ? 2011-02-09 14:11:54 mjg_ My favorite Catholica album was Ride the Pew 2011-02-09 14:12:01 MrDys mjg_++ 2011-02-09 14:12:08 edsu erikhatcher: wow, i had no idea it was that polished now 2011-02-09 14:12:09 pjb1 mjg_++ 2011-02-09 14:12:10 robcaSSon librarywebchic: my hacky drupal-solr module 2011-02-09 14:12:12 ejk Just passed my 6 year anniversary at the library, and every single c4l preso reminds me of how much I *don't* know. 2011-02-09 14:12:23 mjg_ it was all downhill once cliff went off to the big rectory in the sky 2011-02-09 14:12:24 erikhatcher edsu: he's been selling it as a product for quite a while now 2011-02-09 14:12:36 ecorrado ecorrado just got asked to do a keynote speach at ELUNA 2011-02-09 14:12:46 scolford robcasson: i like your hacky drupal-solr module 2011-02-09 14:12:48 robcaSSon librarywebchic: maybe someone can finally make me github that stuff this week 2011-02-09 14:12:53 librarywebchi robcaSSon: is it open source or just homegrown code not made avialable 2011-02-09 14:13:04 edsu erikhatcher: time flies i guess 2011-02-09 14:13:11 ecorrado ecorrado wonders if this means he can opt out of another speach. 2011-02-09 14:13:15 robcaSSon not that any of us need another solr app, but who knows... 2011-02-09 14:13:16 ranti ecorrado++ # ELUNA_key_note 2011-02-09 14:13:46 edsu erikhatcher: he is still using local-solr? 2011-02-09 14:13:52 pyott Batch Attach -- didn't they do the theme music for house? 2011-02-09 14:14:07 mbklein pyott++ 2011-02-09 14:14:14 mbklein @band add Batch Attach 2011-02-09 14:14:15 zoia mbklein: Band 'Batch Attach' added to list 2011-02-09 14:14:28 edsu @band 2011-02-09 14:14:28 zoia edsu: Privacy, Bought and Sold 2011-02-09 14:14:29 mjg_ eby: what were you interested in chatting about re bagit & git? 2011-02-09 14:14:40 anarchivist slides are up: http://www.slideshare.net/anarchivist/fiwalk-with-me-building-emergent-preingest-workflows-for-digital-archival-records-using-open-source-forensic-software 2011-02-09 14:14:45 gluejar this preso is batchin' 2011-02-09 14:14:51 mbklein massive_attack++ 2011-02-09 14:15:02 mjg_ @sing dead milkmen : batchin' camaro 2011-02-09 14:15:03 zoia mjg_: No lyrics found for batchin' camaro by dead milkmen 2011-02-09 14:15:17 mbklein @blame add You're TEARING me APART, $who!!! 2011-02-09 14:15:17 zoia mbklein: The operation succeeded. Blame #97 added. 2011-02-09 14:15:19 MrDys @sing massive attack : karmacoma 2011-02-09 14:15:20 zoia You’re a couple, 'specially when your body’s doubled / Duplicate, then you wait for the next kuwait / LyricsTricky & 3D / Karmacoma, jamaica' aroma (x4) 2011-02-09 14:15:24 pjb1 hey jack, what's happening? 2011-02-09 14:15:29 mbklein @blame 97 yo_bj 2011-02-09 14:15:29 zoia mbklein: You're TEARING mbklein APART, yo_bj!!! 2011-02-09 14:15:47 emorgan Colloquy for iPad. ++ 2011-02-09 14:15:48 yo_bj mbklein++ 2011-02-09 14:15:53 mjg_ wish the screenshots took up the entire frame 2011-02-09 14:15:56 eby mjg_: Just curious. Was Playing with a script that listens to couchdb's change feed, bags the changed document and does a git commit 2011-02-09 14:15:57 flyingzumwalt @sing Celine Dion : my heart will go on 2011-02-09 14:15:59 zoia I believe that the heart does go on / Once more you open the door / And you're here in my heart / And my heart will go on and on 2011-02-09 14:16:00 mbklein uh oh…I now worry that "mbklein" is now a permanent part of blame #97. 2011-02-09 14:16:14 pyott DJ Master Mods -- didn't he sing "slap that batch 2011-02-09 14:16:18 flyingzumwalt @sing Dolly Parton : I will always love you 2011-02-09 14:16:18 mjg_ eby: ah, OK, cool. 2011-02-09 14:16:21 zoia Well, I would only be in your way / And so I'll go, and yet I know / That I'll think of you each step of my way / And I will always love you 2011-02-09 14:16:21 eby mjg_: Just wondered if others were still playing with git or going with the deltas 2011-02-09 14:16:27 mbklein Nope, it's "me," not me. 2011-02-09 14:17:03 flyingzumwalt @sing leonard cohen : halelujah 2011-02-09 14:17:05 zoia flyingzumwalt: No lyrics found for halelujah by leonard cohen 2011-02-09 14:17:13 eby Or bup for that matter I guess 2011-02-09 14:17:15 mjg_ eby: objects in our "repository" are all bags, and each bag is a git repo 2011-02-09 14:17:17 flyingzumwalt @sing leonard cohen : hallelujah 2011-02-09 14:17:18 zoia It goes like this / The fourth, the fifth / The minor fall, the major lift / The baffled king composing Hallelujah 2011-02-09 14:17:21 freqlurker @sing adverts : gary gilmore's eyes 2011-02-09 14:17:23 zoia I'm wincing in the light / The nurses look anxious / I'm just quivering with fright / I'm looking through Gary Gilmore's eyes 2011-02-09 14:17:26 anarchivist @ana milk comes in bags 2011-02-09 14:17:27 zoia anarchivist: As gimmicks noble 2011-02-09 14:17:45 yitznewton @hate ie 2011-02-09 14:17:47 zoia yitznewton: The operation succeeded. yitznewton hates ie. 2011-02-09 14:17:55 yitznewton @hates ie 2011-02-09 14:17:57 zoia yitznewton: ie doesn't seem to hate anything. 2011-02-09 14:18:00 jaron mjg_: that's interesting about the bags + git 2011-02-09 14:18:05 anarchivist http://www.facebook.com/pages/In-Canada-our-milk-comes-in-BAGS/311525587625 2011-02-09 14:18:06 flyingzumwalt @rate almighty dope poodle 2011-02-09 14:18:10 zoia flyingzumwalt: almighty: 9.2; dope: 6.4; poodle: 9.9. poodle rocks! 2011-02-09 14:18:12 mbklein @sing jrochkind : The Ballad of ngc4lib 2011-02-09 14:18:13 zoia mbklein: No lyrics found for The Ballad of ngc4lib by jrochkind 2011-02-09 14:18:15 mjg_ eby: and our storage service handles all the bagging and versioning stuff, as well as other stuff. 2011-02-09 14:18:18 emorgan @sing dekaub blues 2011-02-09 14:18:19 zoia emorgan: No songs found by dekaub blues 2011-02-09 14:18:24 jrochkind i don't sing that one anymore 2011-02-09 14:18:29 mbklein jrochkind++ 2011-02-09 14:18:30 rickj still lots of room in the social network dine arounds...sign up here....http://wiki.code4lib.org/index.php/C4L2011_social_activities#.22Social_Network_Dine_Arounds.22 2011-02-09 14:18:49 eby mjg_: Service as in scripts ? 2011-02-09 14:18:55 mjg_ jaron: we've just started prototyping but we're digging it so far 2011-02-09 14:19:03 mjg_ eby: service in the prototype phase means python module 2011-02-09 14:19:16 emorgan @sing dekalb blues 2011-02-09 14:19:18 zoia emorgan: No songs found by dekalb blues 2011-02-09 14:19:22 mjg_ eby: thinking about how best to service-frameworkize it (that's an architect word), e.g. REST, OpenSRF, etc. 2011-02-09 14:19:23 jaron mjg_: do you have or will you have shareable documentation on what you're doing? 2011-02-09 14:19:28 edsu anarchivist: did you find yourself wanting to see the content of the files in gumshoe? 2011-02-09 14:19:36 KingNightWolf I need a nap 2011-02-09 14:19:47 anarchivist edsu: yeah - i actually prototyped python indexing code that did some extraction from bitstreams 2011-02-09 14:19:56 timmcgeary timmcgeary needs a nap, too 2011-02-09 14:19:58 edsu anarchivist: or having high summary reports? 2011-02-09 14:19:58 anarchivist edsu: http://github.com/anarchivist/foresole 2011-02-09 14:19:58 scolford re dine arounds - Irish Lion serves leprechaun wings. 2011-02-09 14:20:04 akorphan Man, that's a nice camera. 2011-02-09 14:20:07 mjg_ jaron: no docs yet -- still lots of moving parts -- but we're developing it out in the open: https://github.com/MaxFisher/caps 2011-02-09 14:20:07 emorgan @sing leadbelly 2011-02-09 14:20:09 zoia Well, I'm callin' that Captain,/ / "Turn a-loose my man."/ / Chorus / Let the Midnight Special shine her light on me./ 2011-02-09 14:20:12 anarchivist edsu: the high summary reports are what i want to do next 2011-02-09 14:20:19 eby mjg_: Yeah also thinking 2011-02-09 14:20:24 jaron mjg_: cool. thanks 2011-02-09 14:20:27 pjb1 @sing butthole surfers : lady sniff 2011-02-09 14:20:28 anarchivist edsu: i first started prototyping this around the time of DLF in november 2011-02-09 14:20:28 zoia When I say no, yeah, I mean no. / Bernie, Bring me my bacon! Bernie? / From Lyrics Mania 2011-02-09 14:20:43 freqlurker pjbl++ 2011-02-09 14:20:49 akorphan @sing Katamari Damacy Soundtrack : Katamari Na Na 2011-02-09 14:20:49 edsu anarchivist: huh, cool -- it's a really neat idea 2011-02-09 14:20:50 zoia akorphan: No lyrics found for Katamari Na Na by Katamari Damacy Soundtrack 2011-02-09 14:20:52 mjg_ jaron: storage service is here: https://github.com/MaxFisher/caps/blob/master/services/storage.py 2011-02-09 14:20:56 pberry @sing franz Ferdinand : take me out 2011-02-09 14:20:56 anarchivist edsu: i wanted to port the indexing code to ruby to make it consistent 2011-02-09 14:20:57 zoia I know I won't be leaving here with you / I say don't you know / You say you don't know / I say... take me out! 2011-02-09 14:20:58 akorphan sigh. 2011-02-09 14:21:05 mbklein akorphan: NOOOO! My braaaain! 2011-02-09 14:21:07 freqlurker @sing slowdive 2011-02-09 14:21:10 zoia It's easy to pretend / It's easy to believe / There's a shadow on my wall / It dances like my soul, dances like my soul 2011-02-09 14:21:20 akorphan mbklein: MUA HA HA HA HA 2011-02-09 14:21:33 pberry Wow, haven't heard slowdive in ages 2011-02-09 14:21:42 mbklein Don't make me @unload Sing 2011-02-09 14:21:45 sdellis zoia: alison? 2011-02-09 14:21:45 zoia sdellis: ride the atom train choo-choooooooooooo 2011-02-09 14:21:47 scolford akorphan: that was my ringtone. drove my office mate nutz 2011-02-09 14:21:54 akorphan scolford++ 2011-02-09 14:22:00 freqlurker not allison 2011-02-09 14:22:03 timmcgeary pure Xquery, homy 2011-02-09 14:22:08 pberry So, does karma get reset after the conf 2011-02-09 14:22:13 freqlurker @sing slowdive : allison 2011-02-09 14:22:14 akorphan @sing The Automatic : Monster 2011-02-09 14:22:14 edsu anarchivist: it's somewhat similar to a tool dchud has called Bag o' Matic, which would examing a bag and present stuff about it that can just be gleaned from filesystem 2011-02-09 14:22:14 zoia freqlurker: No lyrics found for allison by slowdive 2011-02-09 14:22:14 MrDys pberry: yep 2011-02-09 14:22:16 zoia akorphan: No lyrics found for Monster by The Automatic 2011-02-09 14:22:16 lbjay i'm taking off after this talk. laterz everybody. see you next year. 2011-02-09 14:22:19 pmurray Generating OAI-PMH via one query. Cool. 2011-02-09 14:22:21 mjg_ jaron: we've also just started fleshing out unit tests specifically for versioning: https://github.com/MaxFisher/caps/blob/master/pilot/tests/versioning_test.py 2011-02-09 14:22:27 freqlurker @sing slowdive : alison 2011-02-09 14:22:29 zoia cause i'm just floating / while your cigarette still burns / your messed up world will thrill me / alison i'm lost 2011-02-09 14:22:31 anarchivist edsu: yeah, i'd be interested in seeing best practices to extract the strings 2011-02-09 14:22:31 mbklein @karma 2011-02-09 14:22:31 zoia mbklein: Highest karma: "mbklein" (439), "anarchivist" (406), and "edsu" (388). Lowest karma: "iii" (-131), "central_IT" (-31), and "solaris" (-17). You (mbklein) are ranked 1 out of 3314. 2011-02-09 14:22:32 edsu pmurray: sounds cool, but it probably isn't 2011-02-09 14:22:32 scolford scolford bye lbjay. always a pleasure 2011-02-09 14:22:32 timmcgeary lbjay: cheers 2011-02-09 14:22:37 MrDys lbjay: peace out, homey 2011-02-09 14:22:40 atz lbjay: seeya next year 2011-02-09 14:22:41 pberry Is there a trophy for the karma champ? 2011-02-09 14:22:42 anarchivist lbjay: seeyaz 2011-02-09 14:22:43 akorphan ibahn-- 2011-02-09 14:22:46 escowles_ @sing pixies : alison 2011-02-09 14:22:47 akorphan akorphan ciao lbjay 2011-02-09 14:22:48 zoia escowles_: No lyrics found for alison by pixies 2011-02-09 14:22:48 mbklein lbjay: bye! 2011-02-09 14:22:54 anarchivist @sing kraftwerk : autobahn 2011-02-09 14:22:55 zoia Wir fahr'n fahr'n fahr'n auf der Autobahn / Vor uns liegt ein weites Tal / Die Sonne scheint mit Glitzerstrahl 2011-02-09 14:22:59 mbklein lbjay: travel safe. best to the family. 2011-02-09 14:23:01 pmurray lbjay: Safe travels. 2011-02-09 14:23:04 mjg_ another pure xquery oai-pmh provider: http://code.google.com/p/xqoai/ 2011-02-09 14:23:20 emorgan @sing yellow dog blues 2011-02-09 14:23:21 akorphan @sing Camera Obscura : Suspended from Class 2011-02-09 14:23:22 zoia emorgan: No songs found by yellow dog blues 2011-02-09 14:23:23 mjg_ lbjay: safe travels, yo. don't forget your hat. 2011-02-09 14:23:24 zoia akorphan: No lyrics found for Suspended from Class by Camera Obscura 2011-02-09 14:23:34 akorphan zoia is failing us! 2011-02-09 14:23:34 zoia akorphan: you may want to ask lolita-l 2011-02-09 14:23:37 anna3lc anna3lc bye lbjay nice to see you 2011-02-09 14:23:41 freqlurker @song big black : l-dopa 2011-02-09 14:23:41 zoia freqlurker: put a neckbeard on it 2011-02-09 14:23:42 lbjay mjg_++ 2011-02-09 14:23:43 edsu xml all the way down scares me 2011-02-09 14:23:45 MrDys jpeg2000 in 2011 2011-02-09 14:23:47 pberry For 11 years even? 2011-02-09 14:23:48 freqlurker @sing big black : l-dopa 2011-02-09 14:23:48 edsu jpeg2000-- 2011-02-09 14:23:49 zoia freqlurker: No lyrics found for l-dopa by big black 2011-02-09 14:23:50 lbjay anna3lc: you too 2011-02-09 14:23:51 atz epub delivery is interesting to me 2011-02-09 14:23:53 mbklein mjg_: Isn't the owner of that project a total d-bag, though? 2011-02-09 14:24:06 lbjay @who is a total d-bag? 2011-02-09 14:24:06 zoia mnotess is a total d-bag. 2011-02-09 14:24:07 pjb1 freqlurker++ 2011-02-09 14:24:09 charper lbjay: safe travels, man. Hope to see ya' in Seattle. 2011-02-09 14:24:11 lbjay zoia! 2011-02-09 14:24:11 zoia lbjay! 2011-02-09 14:24:13 mjg_ mbklein: I don't know. he won't return my emails. 2011-02-09 14:24:16 emorgan @sing hardy : yellow dog blues 2011-02-09 14:24:18 zoia emorgan: No lyrics found for yellow dog blues by hardy 2011-02-09 14:24:19 akorphan @sing Undertones : Teenage Kicks 2011-02-09 14:24:21 zoia Another girl in the neighbourhood / Wish she was mine, she looks so good / I wanna hold her wanna hold her tight / Get teenage kicks right through the night 2011-02-09 14:24:22 mbklein mjg_: That's what I'm sayin'. 2011-02-09 14:24:23 jaron edsu: what's the problem with jp2? 2011-02-09 14:24:24 anarchivist edsu: at the first pass i made at the indexing code 2011-02-09 14:24:33 mjg_ mbklein: I wouldn't want to be judgmental. 2011-02-09 14:24:35 morgan8 Can anyone fill me in on what exactly the "social network dine-arounds" this evening are? 2011-02-09 14:24:36 mjg_ ... 2011-02-09 14:24:39 knickum they all be wantin' jp2 support 2011-02-09 14:24:41 anarchivist edsu: i was using Popen to create a process to call gnu strings 2011-02-09 14:24:42 escowles_ @sing pixies : allison 2011-02-09 14:24:43 zoia where are we now? / horray the blues / of everyone / allison 2011-02-09 14:24:54 freqlurker @sing skids : into the valley 2011-02-09 14:24:55 zoia freqlurker: No lyrics found for into the valley by skids 2011-02-09 14:25:00 atz morgan8: the "don't eat alone you asshole" part of the evening 2011-02-09 14:25:01 edsu jaron: opensource support for jp2 is weak 2011-02-09 14:25:01 jaron morgan8: http://wiki.code4lib.org/index.php/C4L2011_social_activities#.22Social_Network_Dine_Arounds.22 2011-02-09 14:25:02 mbklein mjg_: Yeah, maybe he's just busy…you know…um… architecurating. 2011-02-09 14:25:04 anarchivist morgan8: i don't think anyone knows for sure - the only one i know of offhand is the hydra one 2011-02-09 14:25:14 druthb morgan8: No agenda for the Tibetan/Thai/Indian place. Just food, chat about whatever. 2011-02-09 14:25:16 sdellis She's the puzzle piece behind the couch, made the sky complete. / Alison's starting to happen. 2011-02-09 14:25:17 scolford morgan8: an excuse to eat and drink with like-minded folk. 2011-02-09 14:25:17 BigD White castle run tonight added to http://wiki.code4lib.org/index.php/C4L2011_social_activities#.22Social_Network_Dine_Arounds.22 2011-02-09 14:25:18 jaron edsu: right. this is why we only use it for access derivaties 2011-02-09 14:25:25 edsu jaron: and its touted as an archival format, but not many people really understand it very well 2011-02-09 14:25:29 jaron s/derivaties/derivatives/ 2011-02-09 14:25:29 pberry Looks like a cool system 2011-02-09 14:25:43 mjg_ mbklein: digital microarchitecuratecamping 2011-02-09 14:25:43 timmcgeary asnagy: you should be proud of what you started a Villanova 2011-02-09 14:25:44 edsu jaron: yeah, but your access derivatives need to be usable by something right? 2011-02-09 14:25:50 timmcgeary asnagy++ 2011-02-09 14:25:51 edsu jaron: what do you use to access the jp2s? 2011-02-09 14:25:56 jaron edsu: yeah, this is what an image server is for 2011-02-09 14:25:58 asnagy pretty cool to see it take off 2011-02-09 14:26:02 jaron edsu: djatoka right now 2011-02-09 14:26:03 edsu jaron: what image server? 2011-02-09 14:26:06 asnagy http://digital.library.villanova.edu/ 2011-02-09 14:26:11 edsu jaron: ahh, so you are dependent on kakadu then? 2011-02-09 14:26:26 asnagy dlacy++ 2011-02-09 14:26:36 jaron edsu: not for creating the jp2 but for serving them up 2011-02-09 14:26:43 edsu jaron: no source code, and binaries that sometimes mysteriously dissappear from the website sometimes 2011-02-09 14:26:52 jaron edsu: we could create the jp2 however. 2011-02-09 14:27:07 jaron edsu: i see 2011-02-09 14:27:10 mjg_ walnuts++ 2011-02-09 14:27:13 KingNightWolf brain hurts need a break bad 2011-02-09 14:27:13 edsu jaron: right, kakadu isn't really a good option 2011-02-09 14:27:16 scolford maybe he should have started with "who's taking a nap during the breakout period?" 2011-02-09 14:27:19 akorphan @sing The Cure : So What 2011-02-09 14:27:21 zoia akorphan: No lyrics found for So What by The Cure 2011-02-09 14:27:22 KingNightWolf me 2011-02-09 14:27:28 timmcgeary scolford++ 2011-02-09 14:27:32 edsu jaron: i'd prefer a slightly larger jpeg 2011-02-09 14:27:46 timmcgeary nap4lib break out? 2011-02-09 14:27:58 jaron edsu: then how to create smaller derivatives or crops on the fly? 2011-02-09 14:28:10 mjg_ if there's anyone who wants to get into the hospitality suite during the breakout, find me or someone else who has a key 2011-02-09 14:28:20 KingNightWolf timmcgeary ++ 2011-02-09 14:28:30 scolford "Okay, you all taking a nap head to that back corner of this room" 2011-02-09 14:28:30 helrond putting together an upland contingent for tonight, if anyone's interested 2011-02-09 14:28:40 edsu jaron: it can be efficiently done with jpeg too, at least that's what our brief experiments on the weekend ndnp pre-conf seemed to indicate 2011-02-09 14:28:41 anarchivist helrond++ 2011-02-09 14:28:56 davidWalker I need a git intro 2011-02-09 14:29:06 edsu jaron: there's a lot of hype associated with jp2 imho 2011-02-09 14:29:08 jaron edsu: that'd be interesting to see some sort of image server which could be done over top of regular jpeg 2011-02-09 14:29:20 edsu jaron: that's what we were looking at 2011-02-09 14:29:36 jaron edsu: i just want to be able to create 1 access derivative and then serve all others up on the fly 2011-02-09 14:29:37 edsu jaron: i can show you when it is up running again 2011-02-09 14:29:46 jaron edsu: that'd be great 2011-02-09 14:29:47 ecorrado where was the DLF breakout? 2011-02-09 14:29:56 mbklein ecorrado: Solarium 2011-02-09 14:30:01 pbinkley finally - lunchtime 2011-02-09 14:30:03 ecorrado mbklein++ 2011-02-09 14:30:09 jaron Solrium 2011-02-09 14:30:40 zoia bthiell's projects are next to useless unless you happen to be bthiell 2011-02-09 14:31:36 erikhatcher damn, i want to go to the git intro 2011-02-09 14:31:48 CaptSolo what are the titles of books that were given out earlier on? 2011-02-09 14:31:56 CaptSolo one is Open Source Web Apps for Libs 2011-02-09 14:31:57 akorphan snacks++ 2011-02-09 14:31:59 CaptSolo what's the other one? 2011-02-09 14:32:20 akorphan CaptSolo: i saw a "Spidering hacks" floating around 2011-02-09 14:33:40 CaptSolo akorphan: perhaps that was it, though Spidering Hacks is quite old 2011-02-09 14:33:57 jstirnaman decasm_: added breakfast to wiki http://wiki.code4lib.org/index.php/C4L2011_social_activities#.22Social_Network_Dine_Arounds.22 2011-02-09 14:34:18 akorphan CaptSolo: maybe that's why it was free.... 2011-02-09 14:34:25 CaptSolo akorphan: :D 2011-02-09 14:35:03 akorphan Maybe next year they'll give away "Programming manufacturing process controllers in FORTRAN" 2011-02-09 14:35:25 CaptSolo the Open Source Web Apps book looks interesting. must get one. 2011-02-09 14:36:40 CaptSolo akorphan: i could give away Teach Yourself REXX in 21 Days. have just one copy though. 2011-02-09 14:37:18 akorphan I won't even pretend to know what REXX is 2011-02-09 14:37:23 sciversedev if anyone is interested in a breakout session bout opensocial, impact of social media on library technology and research (and how sciverse can help tackle these) we can meet at the tv cam in the back of the alumni 2011-02-09 14:37:41 sciversedev rexx ha old text code 2011-02-09 14:38:11 sciversedev cool i did rexx on mainframe 2011-02-09 14:39:16 ecorrado ecorrado is at the DLF breakout 2011-02-09 14:39:50 CaptSolo even has an appendix re Visual REXX Tools showing drag-n-drop programming ('la XCode?) 2011-02-09 14:40:10 CaptSolo but that was a while back when OS/2 was alive 2011-02-09 14:40:51 sciversedev visual drag n drop rexx! haha to prove that everything evolves 2011-02-09 14:41:41 mnotess these brazil nuts taste like chlorine 2011-02-09 14:42:52 decasm_ mnotess: i've encountered that before and wondered why 2011-02-09 14:43:13 akorphan @sing Raffi : Bananaphone 2011-02-09 14:43:14 zoia Dingalingaling / Boobadoobadoop / Boobadoobadoop / Ring Ring Ring Ring Ring Ring Ring Bananaphone 2011-02-09 14:44:57 ejk @ana Boobadoobadoop 2011-02-09 14:44:58 zoia ejk: Boo! A dodo opa bob 2011-02-09 14:45:07 zoia I didn't say it. mjgiarlo did. 2011-02-09 14:45:24 jbrinley Funny, my dad's name is Bob, and my son calls him "Opa" 2011-02-09 14:45:46 ejk But is he a dodo? 2011-02-09 14:46:05 jbrinley ejk: I would imagine not, since he's alive, but one can never be too sure 2011-02-09 14:46:11 zoia awead1 + IRC = The Problem 2011-02-09 14:50:36 rsinger @karma 2011-02-09 14:50:36 zoia rsinger: Highest karma: "mbklein" (440), "anarchivist" (406), and "edsu" (388). Lowest karma: "iii" (-131), "central_IT" (-31), and "solaris" (-17). You (rsinger) are ranked 7 out of 3316. 2011-02-09 14:50:37 mjg_ curator's workbench breakout kicking off in walnut room 2011-02-09 14:50:46 rsinger seventh! 2011-02-09 14:51:10 mjg_ @karma 2011-02-09 14:51:10 zoia mjg_: Highest karma: "mbklein" (440), "anarchivist" (406), and "edsu" (388). Lowest karma: "iii" (-131), "central_IT" (-31), and "solaris" (-17). You (mjg_) are ranked 32 out of 3316. 2011-02-09 14:51:17 mjg_ @karma mjgiarlo 2011-02-09 14:51:18 zoia mjg_: Karma for "mjgiarlo" has been increased 314 times and decreased 18 times for a total karma of 296. 2011-02-09 14:51:25 anarchivist anarchivist is number 2 2011-02-09 14:51:36 ejk Who does #2 work for? 2011-02-09 14:51:38 decasm_ breakout leaders might want to update wiki w/ locations 2011-02-09 14:51:39 rsinger @karma mjgiarlo 2011-02-09 14:51:39 zoia rsinger: Karma for "mjgiarlo" has been increased 314 times and decreased 18 times for a total karma of 296. 2011-02-09 14:52:02 rsinger @karma rsinger 2011-02-09 14:52:02 zoia rsinger: Karma for "rsinger" has been increased 282 times and decreased 20 times for a total karma of 262. 2011-02-09 14:52:14 decasm_ @karma decasm 2011-02-09 14:52:14 zoia decasm_: Karma for "decasm" has been increased 56 times and decreased 5 times for a total karma of 51. 2011-02-09 14:52:24 mjg_ @karma mjg_ 2011-02-09 14:52:24 zoia mjg_: Karma for "mjg_" has been increased 54 times and decreased 6 times for a total karma of 48. 2011-02-09 14:52:33 ejk @karma mjg 2011-02-09 14:52:34 zoia ejk: Karma for "mjg" has been increased 7 times and decreased 0 times for a total karma of 7. 2011-02-09 14:52:47 mjg_ need authority control so I can git mah propahs 2011-02-09 14:52:51 rsinger mjg_: that's what you get for hurting the brand of YOU 2011-02-09 14:53:43 rsinger mjg_: of course, even merged, you're not on the medal platform 2011-02-09 14:54:15 mbklein mjg_: Use one username and you wouldn't have this 'problem' 2011-02-09 14:54:20 mjg_ rsinger: I am if my math is bad. 2011-02-09 14:54:22 mjg_ (it is) 2011-02-09 14:54:23 mbklein @karma mbkelin 2011-02-09 14:54:23 zoia mbklein: mbkelin has neutral karma. 2011-02-09 14:54:48 mbklein @google calc 282+56+54+7 2011-02-09 14:54:49 zoia mbklein: Google's calculator didn't come up with anything. 2011-02-09 14:55:00 mbklein zoia: Google's calculator is an idiot. 2011-02-09 14:55:01 zoia mbklein: cannot we speak like thoughtful adults and not drunken sailors? 2011-02-09 14:55:10 rsinger 282+56+54+7 = ZERO 2011-02-09 14:55:19 mbklein @karma 2011-02-09 14:55:19 zoia mbklein: Highest karma: "mbklein" (440), "anarchivist" (406), and "edsu" (388). Lowest karma: "iii" (-131), "central_IT" (-31), and "solaris" (-17). You (mbklein) are ranked 1 out of 3316. 2011-02-09 14:55:35 mbklein Yep. An amalgamated mjgiarlo is in third place. 2011-02-09 14:55:44 rsinger no it's not 2011-02-09 14:55:46 jbfink heh. iii. 2011-02-09 14:55:46 mbklein With 399. 2011-02-09 14:55:51 rsinger you added in decasm 2011-02-09 14:55:53 jbfink @karma jbfink 2011-02-09 14:55:53 zoia jbfink: Karma for "jbfink" has been increased 4 times and decreased 0 times for a total karma of 4. 2011-02-09 14:55:57 mbklein I did? 2011-02-09 14:56:03 rsinger yeah 2011-02-09 14:56:05 mbklein Ah, oops. 2011-02-09 14:56:05 anarchivist @ana amalgamated mjgiarlo 2011-02-09 14:56:06 zoia anarchivist: All-time, ga-ga, mad major 2011-02-09 14:56:10 rsinger 282+56+54+7-656 2011-02-09 14:56:12 mbklein zoia++ 2011-02-09 14:56:13 rsinger er 2011-02-09 14:56:16 rsinger 282+56+54+7-56 2011-02-09 14:56:25 mbklein I saw some numbers and added them. Screw the labels. 2011-02-09 14:56:34 mjg_ I will take decasm. 2011-02-09 14:56:40 rsinger @karma mbklein 2011-02-09 14:56:40 zoia rsinger: Karma for "mbklein" has been increased 491 times and decreased 51 times for a total karma of 440. 2011-02-09 14:56:44 rsinger @karma rsinger 2011-02-09 14:56:44 zoia rsinger: Karma for "rsinger" has been increased 282 times and decreased 20 times for a total karma of 262. 2011-02-09 14:57:03 rsinger my karma should be 702 2011-02-09 14:57:04 mbklein Convert my karma to Hz and I'm a perfect A-below-middle-C. 2011-02-09 14:57:11 erikhatcher solr session going on now? whatcha chatting about? 2011-02-09 14:57:15 rsinger because i can fuck things up just as easily as mbklein can 2011-02-09 14:57:16 mjg_ rsinger: ew, you'd take an mbklein? 2011-02-09 14:57:21 KingNightWolf don't know 2011-02-09 14:57:46 rsinger mjg_: call me karma whore 2011-02-09 14:57:59 edsu is there going to be a karma resetting ceremony this year? 2011-02-09 14:58:07 mjg_ rsinger: you dance purty too 2011-02-09 14:58:21 mbklein DANCE, MONKEY! 2011-02-09 14:58:23 mbklein @dance 2011-02-09 14:58:23 zoia o/ 2011-02-09 14:58:24 zoia /| 2011-02-09 14:58:25 zoia >> 2011-02-09 14:58:31 anarchivist @poledance 2011-02-09 14:58:31 zoia | 2011-02-09 14:58:32 zoia o/| 2011-02-09 14:58:33 zoia /| | 2011-02-09 14:58:34 zoia >>| 2011-02-09 14:58:34 rsinger robcaSSon's dollar is framed on my wall 2011-02-09 14:58:35 zoia | 2011-02-09 14:58:36 mbklein Can someone make that look more like a monkey please? KTHX 2011-02-09 14:58:40 rsinger WHERE I STARTED, BABY 2011-02-09 14:58:57 edsu /you know the rules and so do i/ 2011-02-09 14:59:04 mbklein rsinger: http://www.tshirthell.com/funny-shirts/i-support-single-moms/ 2011-02-09 14:59:56 KingNightWolf hahahah good one 2011-02-09 15:00:28 mbklein KingNightWolf: There's a lot on that site that's just plain wrong. 2011-02-09 15:01:37 edsu erikhatcher: i wonder if they are talking about the need / howto clean ocr on the way into solr 2011-02-09 15:01:53 edsu erikhatcher: i see tom burton-west of hathitrust organized it 2011-02-09 15:02:17 decasm_ tomorrow, breakfast at http://villagedeli.biz/ - leaving hotel lobby @ 7:45 2011-02-09 15:02:22 edsu what the heck is dlf/clir solarium? 2011-02-09 15:02:24 erikhatcher edsu: he's on to CJ querying fun 2011-02-09 15:02:35 erikhatcher BillDueber: gonna go see Gary speak tomorrow, i think: http://www.cs.virginia.edu/colloquia/colloquia.php?id=770 2011-02-09 15:02:48 mbklein decasm: I'm so there. 2011-02-09 15:02:49 akorphan We need to come up with some good Solr subproject to call "Solarium" 2011-02-09 15:03:13 erikhatcher BillDueber: IU represent! 2011-02-09 15:03:18 decasm_ mbklein: cool. 2011-02-09 15:03:42 BillDueber erikhatcher: Cool! not exactly on my way home, though... 2011-02-09 15:04:35 edsu erikhatcher: what's CJ? 2011-02-09 15:05:14 mbklein edsu: re your first question. There's a DLF/CLIR breakout session in the IU Memorial Union Solarium. 2011-02-09 15:05:26 edsu oh solarium is the room heh 2011-02-09 15:05:32 mbklein edsu: yah 2011-02-09 15:05:33 edsu mbklein++ 2011-02-09 15:06:04 mbklein mbklein was disappointed that none of the breakout sessions actually involved playing Breakout™ 2011-02-09 15:06:05 edsu interesting to see dlf going into curatecamp style parasite mode 2011-02-09 15:06:18 edsu or breakdancing 2011-02-09 15:06:21 akorphan mbklein: I want arkanoid sessions next year. 2011-02-09 15:06:51 mbklein I'm still smarting from the Mortal Kombat sessions from 2008. 2011-02-09 15:06:52 edsu mbklein: you are a natural doing the mc things, at least from how it appears remotely here 2011-02-09 15:07:13 mbklein edsu: Thanks. Years of training as a stage performer and shameless attention whore. (cf. @karma) 2011-02-09 15:07:15 edsu mbklein: only comment i have is: MORE FAKE APPLAUSE 2011-02-09 15:07:17 BillDueber akorphan: Breakout! Pong! When *I* was a kid, we had pong, and that was good enough. At least until the Atari 2600 came out, anyway. 2011-02-09 15:07:23 edsu that was awesome 2011-02-09 15:07:37 robcaSSon edsu: you'll be pleased to note he's doing the canned-applause off the stage as well 2011-02-09 15:07:41 robcaSSon mbklein++ 2011-02-09 15:07:47 edsu robcaSSon: hahaha 2011-02-09 15:07:50 edsu mbklein++ 2011-02-09 15:08:02 mbklein edsu: The same app I was using has a button for an "outraged audience" sound like on the Maury Povich "you are NOT THE DADDY" shows. 2011-02-09 15:08:20 rsinger @who is MOMMYDADDY? 2011-02-09 15:08:20 zoia bobbiFromOIS is MOMMYDADDY. 2011-02-09 15:08:24 mbklein Also a big disappointed group "awwwwwww" sound. 2011-02-09 15:08:36 edsu circa http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vt2i0ts-uck 2011-02-09 15:08:59 mbklein edsu++ exactly 2011-02-09 15:11:58 mbklein edsu: This was pretty awesome. Watch the video for the full "how cool is this" effect. (Or read the transcript, but the video is obviously better.) 2011-02-09 15:12:00 mbklein http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/roadshow/archive/201001A13.html 2011-02-09 15:13:04 edsu i had no idea roadshow segments were online 2011-02-09 15:13:08 edsu edsu watches video 2011-02-09 15:13:12 mbklein Yeah, it's nice. 2011-02-09 15:14:24 edsu all the way up to cheers, the beatles, holy crap 2011-02-09 15:15:02 edsu surprised it's not worth more than 10k 2011-02-09 15:15:28 edsu mbklein++ 2011-02-09 15:15:51 edsu does cbeer archive that stuff? 2011-02-09 15:16:33 mjg_ edsu: wish you coulda made it, man 2011-02-09 15:16:42 mbklein edsu: Maybe. Antiques Roadshow is WGBH after all... 2011-02-09 15:17:47 mbklein Is anyone currently in the Maple/Walnut breakout rooms in channel at the moment? 2011-02-09 15:18:10 wickr mbklein: I'm in Walnut 2011-02-09 15:18:23 mjg_ mbklein: me too. 2011-02-09 15:20:17 anarchivist mbklein: me three 2011-02-09 15:20:19 robcaSSon pbs iphone app also has lots of roadshow (and other) content...kinda cool 2011-02-09 15:21:03 mbklein wickr / mjg_ / anarchivist: OK, I'll use the channel to ping you when it gets close to "reassemble in Alumni Hall" time. If one of you can pop into the Maple room and let them know, it'll save me a trip. 2011-02-09 15:21:08 mbklein laziness++ 2011-02-09 15:21:11 mjg_ k 2011-02-09 15:21:23 anarchivist mbklein: we starting again at 4? 2011-02-09 15:21:41 mbklein anarchivist: Yeah, so if y'all want a break in addition to a walk, you should plan ahead. 2011-02-09 15:22:30 anarchivist mbklein: there have been requests for werewolf. 2011-02-09 15:22:47 mbklein anarchivist: oooooh. 2011-02-09 15:22:47 AndIrc_ schedule says 10 to 4 2011-02-09 15:22:51 mbklein anarchivist: arooo. 2011-02-09 15:23:13 anarchivist @arch believes in the power of curarrooooooooooooooooo 2011-02-09 15:23:13 zoia THE ARCHITECT BELIEVES IN THE POWER OF CURARROOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO 2011-02-09 15:23:57 helrond why is dchud dancing on stage? 2011-02-09 15:24:05 mbklein AndIrc_: Ooh, good call. I thought breakouts ended at 3:50 and we had 10 minutes before the lightning talks. 2011-02-09 15:24:11 pberry He's happy? 2011-02-09 15:24:12 dchud saying hi to adr 2011-02-09 15:24:20 helrond dchud: nice 2011-02-09 15:24:20 mbklein anarchivist: Apparently lightning talks START at 3:50. Plan accordingly. 2011-02-09 15:24:35 anarchivist mbklein: got it 2011-02-09 15:24:51 mbklein @quote adr 2011-02-09 15:24:52 zoia mbklein: difficulty: I started with AlcoholPoisoning and don't know much Python. 2011-02-09 15:24:59 dchud helrond: though that wasn't exactly dancing. wanna see me moonwalk? 2011-02-09 15:25:09 helrond dchud: obviously 2011-02-09 15:25:13 mbklein @help quote 2011-02-09 15:25:13 zoia mbklein: Error: There is no command "quote". 2011-02-09 15:25:27 mbklein @what happened to @quote? 2011-02-09 15:25:28 zoia mbklein: please forward your request to the appropriate tribal leader 2011-02-09 15:25:32 anarchivist @quote random 2011-02-09 15:25:32 zoia anarchivist: Quote #473: "<edsu> is there really an on-topic for in here?" (added by ksclarke at 12:10 PM, October 17, 2006) 2011-02-09 15:25:47 robcaSSon @quote search assholes 2011-02-09 15:25:52 zoia robcaSSon: 3 found: #1425: "< MrDys> way to duplicate E-MAIL, assholes", #2396: "<anarchivist> syntactic sugar is for assholes", and #366: "Most developers are morons, and the rest are..." 2011-02-09 15:26:03 anarchivist @ana like licking a goat's asshole 2011-02-09 15:26:04 zoia anarchivist: Goatlike, logical shakiness 2011-02-09 15:26:27 eby @Ana assholes all the way down 2011-02-09 15:26:28 zoia eby: Wealthy as hallowed sons 2011-02-09 15:26:36 mjg_ anarchivist: WHY? 2011-02-09 15:27:36 mbklein @sing John Cale : Pablo Picasso 2011-02-09 15:27:37 zoia mbklein: No lyrics found for Pablo Picasso by John Cale 2011-02-09 15:27:52 anarchivist @sing the modern lovers : pablo picasso 2011-02-09 15:27:53 zoia anarchivist: No lyrics found for pablo picasso by the modern lovers 2011-02-09 15:28:03 anarchivist @sing jonathan richman : pablo picasso 2011-02-09 15:28:04 zoia anarchivist: No lyrics found for pablo picasso by jonathan richman 2011-02-09 15:28:05 mbklein sing-- 2011-02-09 15:28:13 anarchivist zoia: fu 2011-02-09 15:28:14 zoia anarchivist: HOW MANY PLATFORMS CAN I PUT YOU DOWN FOR? 2011-02-09 15:28:30 edsu mbklein: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Laugh_track&action=historysubmit&diff=412972135&oldid=411697665 :-) 2011-02-09 15:29:06 mbklein edsu++ givin' it back 2011-02-09 15:31:27 akorphan @karma ibahn 2011-02-09 15:31:27 zoia akorphan: Karma for "ibahn" has been increased 0 times and decreased 11 times for a total karma of -11. 2011-02-09 15:31:33 akorphan ibahn-- 2011-02-09 15:31:36 akorphan NEVER FORGET 2011-02-09 15:32:54 anarchivist @sing kraftwerk : autobahn 2011-02-09 15:32:56 zoia Wir fahr'n fahr'n fahr'n auf der Autobahn / Vor uns liegt ein weites Tal / Die Sonne scheint mit Glitzerstrahl 2011-02-09 15:33:06 erikhatcher @ana autobahn 2011-02-09 15:33:06 zoia erikhatcher: Aha! On but 2011-02-09 15:33:07 pberry Repetition! 2011-02-09 15:33:14 eby mbklein: Should lightning talk people be back sooner 2011-02-09 15:33:18 anarchivist @translationparty --lang de [sing kraftwerk : autobahn] 2011-02-09 15:33:19 robcaSSon @pirate [sing kraftwerk : autobahn] 2011-02-09 15:33:30 robcaSSon @who will win 2011-02-09 15:33:31 zoia We drive on the highway / Before us lies a wide valley / The sun is shining with glittering rays 2011-02-09 15:33:32 zoia mnotess will win. 2011-02-09 15:33:33 zoia robcaSSon: Wir fahr'n fahr'n fahr'n auf der Autobahn / Vor uns liegt ein weites Tal / Die Sonne scheint mit Glitzerstrahl 2011-02-09 15:33:39 zoia_commits supybot-plugins: master Michael Klein e721d4c (1 files in 1 dirs): Added simple "Where's my code?" support to Git plugin - http://bit.ly/eB5Gis 2011-02-09 15:33:40 zoia zoia_commits: Don't you mean <https://github.com/gsf/supybot-plugins/commit/e721d4caf8db86d0842d8675738e8d1f7f516b3f>? 2011-02-09 15:33:42 mbklein eby: Yes. 2011-02-09 15:33:45 mbklein Actually. 2011-02-09 15:34:17 mbklein I'll make an announcement in here. 2011-02-09 15:34:39 mbklein anarchivist: CAn you poke your head into Maple & Walnut and ask anyone who's doing a lightning talk to come put their slides/content on the podium computer ASAP? 2011-02-09 15:34:47 mbklein @reload Git 2011-02-09 15:34:47 zoia mbklein: The operation succeeded. 2011-02-09 15:34:48 anarchivist mbklein: on it 2011-02-09 15:34:49 mbklein @git repo 2011-02-09 15:34:50 zoia mbklein: sorry, i'm only accepting shovel-ready projects these days 2011-02-09 15:34:53 mbklein @repo 2011-02-09 15:34:54 zoia mbklein: i'll add that to my brainstorming mind map 2011-02-09 15:34:57 mbklein @list git 2011-02-09 15:34:57 zoia mbklein: commits 2011-02-09 15:35:03 yitznewton pothole detection iphone app: http://bit.ly/h3GUFP 2011-02-09 15:35:03 zoia yitznewton: I believe you're referring to <http://www.boston.com/news/local/massachusetts/articles/2011/02/09/weapons_in_the_battle_vs_potholes/> 2011-02-09 15:35:08 mbklein @commits 2011-02-09 15:35:08 zoia [2011-02-09 12:33:15] [mbklein] Added simple "Where's my code?" support to Git plugin 2011-02-09 15:35:29 yitznewton zoia: I was actually referring to yo mama 2011-02-09 15:35:30 zoia yitznewton: Error: You must be registered to use this command. If you are already registered, you must either identify (by pleasing the Old One Cthulhu through self-flagellation and ritual sacrifice) or add a hostmask matching the IP address range assigned to Great City of R'lyeh. 2011-02-09 15:36:08 mbklein @reload Git 2011-02-09 15:36:08 zoia mbklein: The operation succeeded. 2011-02-09 15:36:14 edsu @list Git 2011-02-09 15:36:15 zoia edsu: commits 2011-02-09 15:36:23 edsu commits 2011-02-09 15:36:28 edsu @commits 2011-02-09 15:36:28 zoia [2011-02-09 12:35:40] [mbklein] Removed errant argument from @repo 2011-02-09 15:36:34 mbklein @reload Git 2011-02-09 15:36:34 zoia mbklein: The operation succeeded. 2011-02-09 15:36:37 mbklein @list Git 2011-02-09 15:36:37 zoia mbklein: commits 2011-02-09 15:36:40 mbklein weird. 2011-02-09 15:36:48 zoia_commits supybot-plugins: master Michael Klein bfb42f4 (1 files in 1 dirs): Removed errant argument from @repo - http://bit.ly/dNmzFa 2011-02-09 15:36:48 edsu @help commits 2011-02-09 15:36:48 zoia zoia_commits: C'mon, <https://github.com/gsf/supybot-plugins/commit/bfb42f4eb4e02119194c32fabf2b21670babee20> is where it's really at. 2011-02-09 15:36:49 mbklein I'll deal later. Got emceeing to do. 2011-02-09 15:36:50 zoia edsu: (commits [--author author] [--repo repo] [--branch branch] [--show number] [query]) -- Display the last <number> log messages matching <query> from <author>'s commits to <branch> of <repo> on github 2011-02-09 15:36:53 mbklein There we go. 2011-02-09 15:36:56 mbklein @reload Git 2011-02-09 15:36:56 zoia mbklein: The operation succeeded. 2011-02-09 15:36:58 mbklein @list Git 2011-02-09 15:36:58 zoia mbklein: commits 2011-02-09 15:37:00 mbklein dammit 2011-02-09 15:37:05 mbklein f u zoia 2011-02-09 15:37:10 mjg_ @sing Sir Commits-a-lot : baby git back 2011-02-09 15:37:11 zoia mjg_: No lyrics found for baby git back by Sir Commits-a-lot 2011-02-09 15:37:28 anarchivist @ana repositorista 2011-02-09 15:37:28 zoia anarchivist: Praise to riots 2011-02-09 15:39:05 edsu @sing pavement : grave architecture 2011-02-09 15:39:06 zoia Come on in / Grave architecture / Grave architecture 2011-02-09 15:39:36 davidWalker davidWalker comes back-up from watching maury povich clips on youtube 2011-02-09 15:39:42 davidWalker whooo 2011-02-09 15:40:54 robcaSSon davidWalker: were you the father? 2011-02-09 15:41:08 davidWalker davidWalker dances 2011-02-09 15:41:14 davidWalker NOT! 2011-02-09 15:43:14 eby mbklein: I got no slides but be there in a bit 2011-02-09 15:43:46 edsu version of the web :-) 2011-02-09 15:44:00 ejk Assume you Maury fans have seen http://holymaurymotherofgod.com/ 2011-02-09 15:45:04 edsu lol'ing at eby's lightning talk 2011-02-09 15:45:17 edsu title 2011-02-09 15:46:03 edsu edsu hears elm loud and clear in the background 2011-02-09 15:46:08 pbinkley I'm curious: how dominant are iPads among the code4lib crowd? 2011-02-09 15:46:12 edsu and ecorrado 2011-02-09 15:46:17 akorphan iPad-- 2011-02-09 15:46:29 akorphan tired_nondominant_arm-- 2011-02-09 15:46:37 eefcee ipad++ 2011-02-09 15:46:49 sesuncedu @decide iPad or MANPAD 2011-02-09 15:46:50 zoia sesuncedu: go with MANPAD 2011-02-09 15:47:45 pberry These lightning talks need some Tesla coils 2011-02-09 15:48:45 edsu i think i can hear light-sabres, is that my imagination again? 2011-02-09 15:49:10 dchud game on 2011-02-09 15:49:43 pberry The cybermen are here! 2011-02-09 15:49:49 ejk cylons 2011-02-09 15:50:04 ejk They have a plan (not really) 2011-02-09 15:50:41 KingNightWolf and we're back 2011-02-09 15:50:42 ndushay is tom burton-west here? what is his nicknaame? 2011-02-09 15:50:43 atz losing my voice.... 2011-02-09 15:51:01 wickr ndushay: tbw, he's on sometimes 2011-02-09 15:51:09 ndushay wickr++ 2011-02-09 15:51:12 ejk awww++ 2011-02-09 15:51:15 edsu mbklein++ 2011-02-09 15:51:24 dchud mbklein++ # gotta get that app 2011-02-09 15:51:30 anarchivist @quote random 2011-02-09 15:51:30 zoia anarchivist: Quote #383: "<asl2> _Editing MARC with VI vs. MODS with Emacs: A brief comparison_" (added by edsu at 11:32 AM, August 29, 2006) 2011-02-09 15:51:54 cbeer mbklein++ 2011-02-09 15:51:56 ndushay mbklein's room at midnight!!!! 2011-02-09 15:52:29 robcaSSon BOB 2011-02-09 15:52:36 dchud hey look cat pictures 2011-02-09 15:52:43 anarchivist mbklein: 10-10.30 ish??? meet in hospitality suite and then find another room? 2011-02-09 15:52:50 mbklein edsu: That was for you. :) 2011-02-09 15:52:52 pbinkley digitally preserved cat pictures 2011-02-09 15:52:55 mbklein anarchivist: Sounds perfect. 2011-02-09 15:53:05 knickum dchud: o thank god, thought we might make it one day w/o cat pictures 2011-02-09 15:53:11 erikhatcher i used to be a werewolf, but i'm alright nooooooooooowwwwwww! 2011-02-09 15:53:12 mbklein anarchivist: Or just chase the haters out of the hospitality suite. 2011-02-09 15:53:25 edsu anyone else having trouble w/ livestream at home? 2011-02-09 15:53:26 dchud knickum: well we didn't get through code4libcon without mention of z3950, so.... 2011-02-09 15:53:30 mjg_ edsu++ # pavement architecture reference 2011-02-09 15:53:30 anarchivist mbklein: when you find another space, make sure to update the wiki. 2011-02-09 15:53:32 mbklein anarchivist: They can go find the hater suite. 2011-02-09 15:53:35 anarchivist anarchivist-- 2011-02-09 15:53:42 anarchivist anarchivist-- 2011-02-09 15:53:43 anarchivist anarchivist-- 2011-02-09 15:53:45 eefcee live_stream++ # working fine in MN 2011-02-09 15:53:51 knickum @karma anarchivist 2011-02-09 15:53:51 zoia knickum: Karma for "anarchivist" has been increased 431 times and decreased 28 times for a total karma of 403. 2011-02-09 15:54:05 erikhatcher live_stream++ # lakeside, VA 2011-02-09 15:54:07 knickum anarchivist: 403 to go 2011-02-09 15:54:10 ejk live_stream++ 2011-02-09 15:54:11 tomkeays http://codabox.org/ 2011-02-09 15:54:19 mbklein anarchivist's karma: 403 UNAUTHORIZED 2011-02-09 15:54:23 pbinkley will he change the url when he gets a new cat? 2011-02-09 15:54:28 ejk Co Da Vox 2011-02-09 15:54:31 tzhaya @karma tzhaya 2011-02-09 15:54:31 zoia tzhaya: Karma for "tzhaya" has been increased 5 times and decreased 0 times for a total karma of 5. 2011-02-09 15:54:39 anarchivist pbinkley: wonder if those urls are purrrrrrrrrsistent 2011-02-09 15:54:43 edsu edsu reboots 2011-02-09 15:54:46 mbklein anarchivist-- 2011-02-09 15:54:50 pbinkley pbinkley upchucks 2011-02-09 15:54:50 knickum anarchivist++ 2011-02-09 15:54:52 mbklein anarchivist++ 2011-02-09 15:54:52 zoia robcaSSon: clean up on aisle 7 2011-02-09 15:54:54 BillDueber BillDueber loves that he'll be able to go back and look at these things again later. 2011-02-09 15:54:58 anna3lc cat_puns++ 2011-02-09 15:54:59 ejk Code a Vocks 2011-02-09 15:55:05 jaf would you say that edc scratched an itch? 2011-02-09 15:55:07 ranti coda_cat++ 2011-02-09 15:55:13 mbklein cuecat++ 2011-02-09 15:55:18 anarchivist post some fucking catalogers! 2011-02-09 15:55:27 mbklein anarchivist++ 2011-02-09 15:55:31 dchud i would like to see a picture of ruebot with a cuecat. 2011-02-09 15:55:33 mjg_ lolcoda_box++ 2011-02-09 15:55:35 mbklein anarchivist: Fork Queue 2011-02-09 15:55:48 anarchivist http://derangementanddescription.files.wordpress.com/2008/12/comic8.jpg 2011-02-09 15:55:49 jaf cat performance - wait for it 2011-02-09 15:55:50 mbklein (my favorite button on Github. Very cathartic.) 2011-02-09 15:55:53 rjhoyle http://www.eprints.org/ 2011-02-09 15:55:56 ruebot dchud: ORLY!? 2011-02-09 15:55:58 jaf oooh, cat experiment 2011-02-09 15:56:07 dchud dileshni: hey, are you still working w/marklogic at KO? want to introduce you to ntra from LC... 2011-02-09 15:56:07 ndushay mbklein: cat-hartic 2011-02-09 15:56:08 sesuncedu anarchivist: I think I have a picture of a cue cat on "post some fucking catalogers!" 2011-02-09 15:56:19 jtgorman mjg++ 2011-02-09 15:56:26 knickum you might say these puns are un-bear-able 2011-02-09 15:56:31 dileshni dchud: yes i am 2011-02-09 15:56:33 dchud ruebot: heh something about the spellings :) cuebot, ruecat, etc. 2011-02-09 15:56:35 mbklein Where's that I R SRS LIBRARIAN pic? 2011-02-09 15:56:50 anarchivist http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1056/1359793351_00506df1e5.jpg 2011-02-09 15:56:53 dchud dileshni: cool, if it's okay with you, maybe we can find each other after the lightning storm breaks? 2011-02-09 15:56:58 mjg_ I keep putting documents into this schrödinger_box repo but I can't seem to get them out. 2011-02-09 15:57:15 jaron1 mjgiarlo++ 2011-02-09 15:57:17 mbklein Thundersnow Talks 2011-02-09 15:57:21 jaf mjg_: how's your quantum repo doing? 2011-02-09 15:57:23 mjg_ tokeee++ 2011-02-09 15:57:25 mbklein @danify this talk 2011-02-09 15:57:25 zoia mbklein: Thḯs Tålksen 2011-02-09 15:57:27 dileshni dchud: sure 2011-02-09 15:57:28 freqlurker what happened to the small scale koha? was that it? 2011-02-09 15:57:29 anarchivist danes++ 2011-02-09 15:57:29 ejk sudo_make_me_a_sandwich++ 2011-02-09 15:57:33 duspal denmark++ 2011-02-09 15:57:39 yo_bj mbklein: somewhere in http://community.livejournal.com/lolbrarians 2011-02-09 15:57:39 pbinkley ecorrado++ 2011-02-09 15:57:40 dileshni dchud: i'll try to find you after the talks 2011-02-09 15:57:43 anna3lc xoxoxo++ 2011-02-09 15:57:44 mjg_ jaf: it's powered by microservices that exist in heretofore unknown dimensions 2011-02-09 15:57:45 BigD Star bellied sneech! 2011-02-09 15:57:46 atz very buzzy phrase 2011-02-09 15:57:46 mbklein yo_bj++ 2011-02-09 15:57:48 edsu shoot, not sure what happened to my livestream but i'm locked out :( maybe it's for the best that my snarkiness will be reigned in :-) 2011-02-09 15:57:49 jtgorman mjg_: funny, I don't write my own papers, I just take them out of my schrödinger_box repo. I guess it's all about expectations 2011-02-09 15:57:53 mbklein screenshot++ 2011-02-09 15:58:01 BillDueber Bastards stole my design! 2011-02-09 15:58:01 jaf mjg_: I tried looking at an item in it the other day, but when I did, it disappeared 2011-02-09 15:58:01 davidWalker nice 2011-02-09 15:58:01 dchud dileshni: awesome thx. i'm sitting way up in the front :) 2011-02-09 15:58:02 timmcgeary photo_screenshots++ 2011-02-09 15:58:13 anarchivist http://farm1.static.flickr.com/206/497495149_99e85c2504_o.jpg 2011-02-09 15:58:19 edsu oh no, here we go (cool) 2011-02-09 15:58:25 mjg_ @hussein sea of summon 2011-02-09 15:58:26 zoia mjg_: One famous mushiness 2011-02-09 15:58:27 mbklein anarchivist++ 2011-02-09 15:58:28 timmcgeary @ana sea of summon 2011-02-09 15:58:28 zoia timmcgeary: So famous men 2011-02-09 15:58:35 mattriehle xkcd_shirt++ 2011-02-09 15:58:36 erikhatcher @takify Toke 2011-02-09 15:58:36 zoia Ŧ Ǒ K É 2011-02-09 15:58:46 mbklein disintegrated_search++ 2011-02-09 15:58:50 pberry The whale! 2011-02-09 15:58:55 atz interleave-- 2011-02-09 15:58:55 mbklein ARROW'D! 2011-02-09 15:58:56 jaf @sing the national : i summon you 2011-02-09 15:58:57 ejk Better a sea of summon than a sum of... 2011-02-09 15:58:57 zoia jaf: No lyrics found for i summon you by the national 2011-02-09 15:59:01 mjg_ jaf: maybe if we had some mellon funding, we could fix that 2011-02-09 15:59:09 dchud @sing spoon : i summon you 2011-02-09 15:59:10 zoia I need a release / The signal's a cough / But that don't get me off / I summon you to appear my love 2011-02-09 15:59:18 knickum egad ejk++ 2011-02-09 15:59:23 jaf dchud: yeah, that too! :-p 2011-02-09 15:59:27 erikhatcher s/iintegrated/federated/ ? 2011-02-09 15:59:30 dchud @sing the national : abel 2011-02-09 15:59:32 zoia dchud: No lyrics found for abel by the national 2011-02-09 15:59:35 dchud awwww 2011-02-09 15:59:36 sesuncedu Danish stuff == Bacon? 2011-02-09 15:59:39 robcaSSon ejk++ # awful 2011-02-09 15:59:46 ndushay is that tokeee? 2011-02-09 15:59:49 dchud dchud 's mind's not right 2011-02-09 15:59:50 mbklein mjg_: If only we could get Kochief running on opensrf.rb, we could fix ALL of this. 2011-02-09 15:59:55 pberry Abel c'mon man, give me the keys now 2011-02-09 16:00:00 mjg_ dchud, c'mon, gimme the ssh keys, man. 2011-02-09 16:00:08 ranti summa_summon_merging++ 2011-02-09 16:00:11 anarchivist http://farm1.static.flickr.com/210/484327110_59a8d24118_o.jpg 2011-02-09 16:00:12 davidWalker davidWalker lolz 2011-02-09 16:00:24 edsu these_slides++ 2011-02-09 16:00:29 dchud pberry, mjg_: select from everything where all = 'gone wrong'; 2011-02-09 16:00:30 sesuncedu anarchivist: http://community.livejournal.com/lolbrarians/23368.html 2011-02-09 16:00:35 mjg_ teh_danez++ 2011-02-09 16:00:40 KingNightWolf this is awesome !! 2011-02-09 16:00:45 timmcgeary can you afford a pregnant pause in a 5 minute lightning talk? 2011-02-09 16:00:45 anarchivist sesuncedu++ 2011-02-09 16:00:53 MrDys I hate how design is just built-in to Danish DNA 2011-02-09 16:00:58 edsu is teh_nagy there this year? 2011-02-09 16:01:00 MrDys lucky 2011-02-09 16:01:01 dchud agreed - this is awesome, love the slides 2011-02-09 16:01:03 anarchivist edsu: yessir 2011-02-09 16:01:10 atz whoa! 2011-02-09 16:01:13 asnagy clever_math++ 2011-02-09 16:01:14 mjg_ showing_math++ 2011-02-09 16:01:17 ejk clever_math++ 2011-02-09 16:01:17 was ouch ouch ouch 2011-02-09 16:01:18 pberry @sing The National : mr. November 2011-02-09 16:01:24 harvel lobby_math++ 2011-02-09 16:01:24 zoia pberry: No lyrics found for mr. November by The National 2011-02-09 16:01:25 edsu lol 2011-02-09 16:01:31 yo_bj Whats the MP cost of Summon? 2011-02-09 16:01:32 mjg_ tokeee++ other_dane++ 2011-02-09 16:01:37 knickum lobby_math++ 2011-02-09 16:01:40 mjg_ all_danes++ 2011-02-09 16:01:42 timmcgeary is there precedent for lightning talk encore call? 2011-02-09 16:01:46 mjg_ dana_dane++ 2011-02-09 16:02:02 KingNightWolf encore4libs 2011-02-09 16:02:04 anarchivist all_dane_everything++ 2011-02-09 16:02:04 atz timmcgeary: not really... maybe a subsequent day breakout session 2011-02-09 16:02:04 freqlurker taylor_dane+- 2011-02-09 16:02:17 ryscher magic_danish++ 2011-02-09 16:02:20 davidWalker great presentation! 2011-02-09 16:02:21 edsu &clap; 2011-02-09 16:02:26 maccabee_ awesome 2011-02-09 16:02:27 atz danish_dudes++ 2011-02-09 16:02:28 anarchivist toke_and_baby++ 2011-02-09 16:02:30 timmcgeary I would hate to follow that 2011-02-09 16:02:38 mbklein elm++ 2011-02-09 16:02:39 eefcee mads_toke_baby++ 2011-02-09 16:02:42 mjg_ babies++ 2011-02-09 16:02:43 mbklein toke++ 2011-02-09 16:03:06 atz timmcgeary: i got to follow simon's MARChthulu talk... 2011-02-09 16:03:16 MrDys imminent mic feedback 2011-02-09 16:03:17 tokeee Thanks guys, we love you! 2011-02-09 16:03:18 sesuncedu Ball Lightning Pilot Test 2011-02-09 16:03:24 dlovins mic_feedback-- 2011-02-09 16:03:27 escowles marcthulu++ 2011-02-09 16:03:32 erikhatcher nice merge viz! 2011-02-09 16:03:37 MrDys atz: you did great, you showed off why ndas are stupid 2011-02-09 16:03:42 cbeer sound_guy++ # amazed it hasn't gotten really nasty yet 2011-02-09 16:03:54 mjg_ hot_mic-- 2011-02-09 16:03:57 anarchivist jeffrey_beall-- 2011-02-09 16:04:05 mnotess reverb 2011-02-09 16:04:06 timmcgeary tokeee++ 2011-02-09 16:04:07 cbeer she's too far away 2011-02-09 16:04:08 mbklein Free Blacklight T-Shirt for the first person to rush the mic, throw a goat, and yell, "HELLO, CODE4LIB!!! WE LOVE YOU!!!" 2011-02-09 16:04:11 timmcgeary hot_mic-- 2011-02-09 16:04:17 edsu JITWebArchiving++ 2011-02-09 16:04:17 mjg_ are they piping her through a jazzmaster pickup? 2011-02-09 16:04:24 yo_bj jeffrey_beall-- 2011-02-09 16:04:25 MrDys mjg_++ 2011-02-09 16:04:27 mbklein Not during someone else's talk, of course. 2011-02-09 16:04:29 atz MrDys: thx. yeah, i remember ppl made the same comment about "hate to follow that guy", but it turned out fine 2011-02-09 16:04:37 mjg_ CDL++ 2011-02-09 16:04:45 BillDueber BillDueber heard the lead engineer from bit.ly on NPR talking about how they can kinda track stuff in realtime based on what's going through their service. 2011-02-09 16:04:55 escowles "throw a goat" -- is that what they call it these days? 2011-02-09 16:05:07 BillDueber escowles: "have a cow" is so 1980's 2011-02-09 16:05:07 mjg_ atz: yeah, your lightning talk was punk rock. 2011-02-09 16:05:11 anarchivist @takify [sing bolt thrower] 2011-02-09 16:05:15 zoia Ṅ Ǭ   ℒ Ỷ Ŗ Í Ḉ Ṩ   Ƒ Ȏ Ų Ņ Ď   ℱ Ø Ṛ   Ṯ Ḥ Ḝ   Ƥ Ė Ễ Ļ   Ŝ Ė Ŝ Ṥ Ĭ Ŏ Ň Ŝ   1 9 8 8 - 1 9 9 0   Ɓ Ý   Ɓ Ồ Ḹ Ƭ   Ţ Ḩ Ř Ṍ Ẅ Ẻ Ṛ 2011-02-09 16:05:18 mjg_ nice to follow horror-glam with punk rock 2011-02-09 16:05:19 mbklein escowles: If you're talking about the thumb-and-pinky gesture, yes. 2011-02-09 16:05:24 robcaSSon escowles: i think it's some "puppetry of the penis" reference 2011-02-09 16:05:26 jtgorman yo_bj: I'm scared to ask what he's done now... 2011-02-09 16:05:46 ndushay is in-order talk list anywhere? 2011-02-09 16:05:50 mjg_ robcaSSon++ 2011-02-09 16:05:53 atz the next versinon must be called WAS NOT WAS 2011-02-09 16:05:56 mtomko Is there a link somewher to the work Mads and Toke just talked about? 2011-02-09 16:05:58 sesuncedu delicious is not opportunistic 2011-02-09 16:05:59 decasm_ jrochkind: still up for finch's? anyone else? lobby @ 6ish? 2011-02-09 16:06:01 MrDys mjg_++ 2011-02-09 16:06:03 mnotess @ana opportunistic selection sources 2011-02-09 16:06:04 zoia mnotess: Repetitious repulsion concocts 2011-02-09 16:06:20 jrochkind decasm: Can ndushay and BillDueber come? If so, yes! 2011-02-09 16:06:21 atz tokeee: got links? 2011-02-09 16:06:27 wickr ndushay: not yet, they seem to have changed the order slightly 2011-02-09 16:06:29 anarchivist mtomko: they have stuff on summa up, but not sure about the summon integration 2011-02-09 16:06:35 mjg_ dchud: you have successfully earwormed me w/ Abel. Not complaining. 2011-02-09 16:06:43 wickr dchud++ 2011-02-09 16:06:44 MrDys decasm_: can I jump in? 2011-02-09 16:06:50 mtomko ah... sorry I wasn't sure if they were in the channel. 2011-02-09 16:06:50 mjg_ abelroll'd 2011-02-09 16:06:52 yo_bj jtgorman: http://www.examiner.com/metadata-in-national/review-of-diane-hillmann-s-keynote-at-code4lib-2011-review 2011-02-09 16:06:58 anarchivist jeffrey_beall-- 2011-02-09 16:06:59 anarchivist jeffrey_beall-- 2011-02-09 16:07:00 anarchivist jeffrey_beall-- 2011-02-09 16:07:01 anarchivist jeffrey_beall-- 2011-02-09 16:07:12 decasm_ jrochkind, BillDueber, ndushay, MrDys more = merrier 2011-02-09 16:07:21 ndushay decasm: who are you? 2011-02-09 16:07:22 ranti who is the current speaker? 2011-02-09 16:07:24 cbeer decasm: i'm in -- finch's was great last time i was here 2011-02-09 16:07:26 jaron1 anyone interested in getting together for veg*n dining tonight? don't have a suggestion for a place myself, but would like to go to a vegan-friendly place 2011-02-09 16:07:29 mbklein anarchivist: http://wiki.code4lib.org/index.php/C4L2011_social_activities#Werewolf.21 2011-02-09 16:07:33 decasm_ devon smith 2011-02-09 16:07:35 ndushay decasm: what is finch's? 2011-02-09 16:07:37 anna3lc ranti: tracy? 2011-02-09 16:07:38 mjg_ anarchivist, MrDys, mbklein: we should write and perform a posse rap about microservices and repos 2011-02-09 16:07:42 ndushay decasm: I'm in. 2011-02-09 16:07:43 jaf @sing martika : toy soldiers 2011-02-09 16:07:44 BillDueber BillDueber doesn't even know finches. Exciting! 2011-02-09 16:07:45 zoia Step by step / Heart to heart / Left right left / We all fall down like toy soldiers 2011-02-09 16:07:46 decasm_ ndushay: decasm = devon smith 2011-02-09 16:07:47 mbklein decasm: finch's was really good 2011-02-09 16:07:53 anna3lc ranti: yes, tracy. 2011-02-09 16:07:55 cbeer http://www.finchsbrasserie.com/ 2011-02-09 16:08:04 decasm_ http://www.finchsbrasserie.com/ 2011-02-09 16:08:05 bohyunkim ranti: tracy seneca I think from CDL 2011-02-09 16:08:09 sesuncedu DLF 2011-02-09 16:08:10 sesuncedu DLF 2011-02-09 16:08:10 MrDys alll you sucka mc's ain't got nothing on repos 2011-02-09 16:08:12 mbklein mjg_: What rhymes with CheckM? 2011-02-09 16:08:12 sesuncedu DLF 2011-02-09 16:08:14 sesuncedu eternal 2011-02-09 16:08:15 robcaSSon how big is finch's? i was planning on going to Little TIbet....but i've got a couple more nights 2011-02-09 16:08:18 ndushay i'll be sure to wear my bacon clothing. 2011-02-09 16:08:18 anarchivist mbklein++ 2011-02-09 16:08:20 highermath decasm: finch's++ 2011-02-09 16:08:30 ecorrado touch_pad-- 2011-02-09 16:08:31 mnotess touchpad++ 2011-02-09 16:08:32 sesuncedu Go to hell state! 2011-02-09 16:08:33 KingNightWolf I like to touch 2011-02-09 16:08:34 cazzerson finch's is tasty, and apparently their bananas foster is in season 2011-02-09 16:08:35 ranti anna3lc, bohyunkim: I think so, but the stuff she talked about seems differnet than the topic she put on the wiki 2011-02-09 16:08:37 sesuncedu :-P 2011-02-09 16:08:40 pberry anarchivist: Seems more like an op-Ed than an article 2011-02-09 16:08:43 timmcgeary timmcgeary is wishing there were bottles of water or pitchers/glasses 2011-02-09 16:08:56 jrochkind i want a code4lib journal article on this lightning talk! 2011-02-09 16:08:57 anarchivist pberry: i don't know what kind of newspaper would run columns on metadata 2011-02-09 16:09:04 mjg_ mbklein: wreck 'em! 2011-02-09 16:09:05 anarchivist sesuncedu++ 2011-02-09 16:09:06 anna3lc ranti: archiving the oil spill... that's what she was talking about :) 2011-02-09 16:09:14 ndushay timmcgeary: i agree about the water. my only complaint about the meeting 2011-02-09 16:09:23 jtgorman jtgorman rolls eyes at the "article" 2011-02-09 16:09:23 jrochkind andreas, give us a Journal article! 2011-02-09 16:09:38 mjg_ mbklein: "I ingested some bits and I didn't wanna wreck 'em so I bagged 'em right up and ran 'em through checkm" 2011-02-09 16:09:41 ranti anna3lc: OK. I guess I missed the oil part on her preso. ;-) 2011-02-09 16:09:53 mjg_ robcaSSon: stop logging those touches. 2011-02-09 16:09:56 decasm_ robcaSSon: i don't know how big it is. 2011-02-09 16:10:10 mbklein mjg_++ # N2T / i-DEN-ti-TY works also 2011-02-09 16:10:15 timmcgeary ndushay: no water is one of tops reason why the migraine yesterday lingered so long. 2011-02-09 16:10:17 erikhatcher Dr. Dre 2011-02-09 16:10:19 ejk Show me on the screen where they touched you 2011-02-09 16:10:23 timmcgeary @hate migraines 2011-02-09 16:10:24 anna3lc ranti: it was brief, but all those entries were i think sites or news reports about the spill 2011-02-09 16:10:25 zoia timmcgeary: The operation succeeded. timmcgeary hates migraines. 2011-02-09 16:10:27 MrDys "Also, code4lib has a history of inviting keynote speakers who are "out there," so it's like the real purpose of their keynote speech is for entertainment." What the fuck. 2011-02-09 16:10:30 robcaSSon ejk++ 2011-02-09 16:10:33 ranti touchy touchy... 2011-02-09 16:10:36 erikhatcher touchpad hater, touch screen developer 2011-02-09 16:10:41 mjg_ MrDys: where's that from? 2011-02-09 16:10:46 ranti anna3lc: got it 2011-02-09 16:10:47 jrochkind MrDys: who wrote that? 2011-02-09 16:10:47 MrDys mjg_: http://www.examiner.com/metadata-in-national/review-of-diane-hillmann-s-keynote-at-code4lib-2011-review 2011-02-09 16:10:54 mbklein people_clicking_the_QR_code++ 2011-02-09 16:10:58 jaf @band add fat stupid fingers 2011-02-09 16:10:58 bohyunkim how is this heatmap generated? 2011-02-09 16:10:58 zoia jaf: Band 'fat stupid fingers' added to list 2011-02-09 16:11:00 jrochkind jeffrey beall is a known wingnut. 2011-02-09 16:11:01 highermath the darker ones are forehead touches 2011-02-09 16:11:07 dchud i havae gfaty styup[id fingferws 2011-02-09 16:11:08 timmcgeary @hate no water at c4l conf 2011-02-09 16:11:09 anarchivist akorphan++ 2011-02-09 16:11:10 zoia timmcgeary: The operation succeeded. timmcgeary hates no water at c4l conf. 2011-02-09 16:11:12 KingNightWolf highermarth++ 2011-02-09 16:11:17 anarchivist @ana random touches 2011-02-09 16:11:17 zoia anarchivist: Unmatched or so 2011-02-09 16:11:19 atz anarchivist, MrDys, mbklein, mjg_ : that posse rap.... i suggest "git it, girl" 2011-02-09 16:11:25 mbklein again with the QR code. 2011-02-09 16:11:26 timmcgeary touching_all_over++ 2011-02-09 16:11:29 MrDys atz++ 2011-02-09 16:11:29 jaf heatmaps++ 2011-02-09 16:11:34 mbklein *poke* *poke* WHY IT NOT DO NOTHING?!! 2011-02-09 16:11:37 pberry BAD TOUCH 2011-02-09 16:11:44 timmcgeary @ana touching all over 2011-02-09 16:11:44 zoia timmcgeary: Loving, cuter halo 2011-02-09 16:11:50 bohyunkim mbklein++ 2011-02-09 16:11:57 jtgorman reserve a particular computer? 2011-02-09 16:12:07 jtgorman "I like the one by the window..." 2011-02-09 16:12:09 robcaSSon see what software it has? 2011-02-09 16:12:12 ranti Interesting user expectations 2011-02-09 16:12:15 atz code4lib ==> 2LiveCrew 2011-02-09 16:12:19 mjg_ MrDys: jesus. someone published that stream of ad hominems and nonsense? 2011-02-09 16:12:19 bohyunkim touching all over is users' learning process of discovering features 2011-02-09 16:12:21 dchud who is this speaking? cool talk. 2011-02-09 16:12:22 jaf @sing divinyls : i touch myself 2011-02-09 16:12:25 ndushay "non-controlled touching" 2011-02-09 16:12:27 mjg_ dchud: akorphan 2011-02-09 16:12:28 mbklein bingo 2011-02-09 16:12:29 zoia jaf: No lyrics found for i touch myself by divinyls 2011-02-09 16:12:40 dchud mjg_: oh, that's akorphan... cool thx 2011-02-09 16:12:49 mbklein akorphan++ # Good solution 2011-02-09 16:12:50 anna3lc maybe people think they can pinch-to-zoom on the map? 2011-02-09 16:12:55 davidWalker good idea 2011-02-09 16:13:03 timmcgeary QR codes++ 2011-02-09 16:13:04 atz mjg_: yeah, not a good write-up. myspace quality. 2011-02-09 16:13:05 mbklein anna3lc++ interesting 2011-02-09 16:13:14 mnotess powerpoint-- 2011-02-09 16:13:17 ndushay kitteh++ 2011-02-09 16:13:19 atz akorphan++ 2011-02-09 16:13:23 jaron1 akorphan++ 2011-02-09 16:13:24 timmcgeary akorphan++ 2011-02-09 16:13:27 davidWalker davidWalker claps 2011-02-09 16:13:30 jaf akorphan++ 2011-02-09 16:13:30 pberry "Hi, I'm a QR code!" 2011-02-09 16:13:31 cazzerson akorphan++ 2011-02-09 16:13:31 robcaSSon akorphan++ 2011-02-09 16:13:32 ejk akorphan++ 2011-02-09 16:13:32 highermath should put pop-up that says: if u don't know what this is, go away 2011-02-09 16:13:33 mnotess akorphan++ 2011-02-09 16:13:34 wickr akorphan++ 2011-02-09 16:13:35 anna3lc akorphan: maybe people think they can pinch-to-zoom on the map? (i repeat now that i know your nick) 2011-02-09 16:13:38 ndushay akorphan++ 2011-02-09 16:13:42 ejk When is EBY up? 2011-02-09 16:13:42 dlovins akorphan++ 2011-02-09 16:13:45 ranti akorphan++ kitteh++ 2011-02-09 16:13:49 tokeee atz: I have links, but I really don't know if I'm allowed to share. Come see me and we'll talk. Despite the napkins it is a serious attempt at merging 2011-02-09 16:13:56 mbklein ejk: eby is on 7th deck. :) 2011-02-09 16:13:57 jrochkind it's in Japan, dummies! 2011-02-09 16:14:04 jtgorman akorphan++ 2011-02-09 16:14:06 scolford popup - "Don't touch this again!" 2011-02-09 16:14:08 ndushay perth is further 2011-02-09 16:14:09 scolford akorphan++ 2011-02-09 16:14:13 knickum scuba_grad_student++ 2011-02-09 16:14:16 ndushay steve xxxx is from perth. 2011-02-09 16:14:16 ranti anna3lc: good point re: pinch and zoom 2011-02-09 16:14:17 mbklein wow. that++ 2011-02-09 16:14:18 dlovins japan_code4lib++ 2011-02-09 16:14:20 pjb1 is there anywhere to get fried okra in this town? 2011-02-09 16:14:20 decasm_ @google 10400 km in mi 2011-02-09 16:14:22 zoia decasm_: Stellaland - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stellaland>; Airbus A380 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Airbus_A380>; Water Pollution Sources: <http://www.glslcities.org/Rigby.pdf>; Country Quickfacts - Goway's New Zealand - Goway Travel Experiences: <http://www.goway.com/downunder/newzealand/nz_quickfacts.html>; Invest in LEBANON : Country (2 more messages) 2011-02-09 16:14:23 masao milkya++ 2011-02-09 16:14:31 timmcgeary wow - really? largest LIS in world? dang 2011-02-09 16:14:32 mbklein google-- 2011-02-09 16:14:34 ranti miyazaki++ 2011-02-09 16:14:37 akorphan ;anna3lc: Oh, are you talking about the computer map? Interesting thought.... 2011-02-09 16:14:42 anna3lc miyazaki++ 2011-02-09 16:14:43 edsu miyazaki++ 2011-02-09 16:14:48 pmurray @calc 10400 km in miles 2011-02-09 16:14:49 jaf miyazaki++ 2011-02-09 16:14:49 zoia pmurray: Error: The command "calc" is available in the Google and Math plugins. Please specify the plugin whose command you wish to call by using its name as a command before "calc". 2011-02-09 16:14:59 scolford wait -- he's a miazaki?! 2011-02-09 16:15:00 bbpennel studio_ghibli++ 2011-02-09 16:15:01 pmurray @google calc 10400 km in miles 2011-02-09 16:15:01 mbklein miyazaki++ my kids are obsessed with My Neighbor Totoro 2011-02-09 16:15:02 highermath can we see the movie now? 2011-02-09 16:15:02 zoia pmurray: Google's calculator didn't come up with anything. 2011-02-09 16:15:06 ndushay wow - i think he practiced this talk a LOT. excellent delivery. 2011-02-09 16:15:07 pberry anime++ 2011-02-09 16:15:07 pmurray Well, I tried. 2011-02-09 16:15:08 akorphan I swear I just typed this, but it hasn't shown up on ym screen yet... 2011-02-09 16:15:09 duspal miyazaki++ 2011-02-09 16:15:09 timmcgeary @google convert 10400 km miles 2011-02-09 16:15:10 jaf oh no it's a disney movie 2011-02-09 16:15:10 zoia timmcgeary: Airbus A320 family - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Airbus_A320_family>; Flight Simulator Downloads - Microsoft Flight Simulator X, FSX ...: <http://www.simviation.com/simviation/?ID=90>; Airbus A330-200F / A330F: <http://www.deagel.com/Freighters/Airbus-A330-200F_a000199003.aspx>; Russian Federation ILYUSHIN (IL-96) Commercial Airliner Pictures ...: (2 more messages) 2011-02-09 16:15:11 scolford totoro++ 2011-02-09 16:15:17 escowles my 10yo loves that movie! 2011-02-09 16:15:19 jrochkind akorphan: when I saw the seating map on the screen, I had a mysterious urge to click on it and see what happened too. I think people just like to click on maps. 2011-02-09 16:15:22 bohyunkim totoro+++++ 2011-02-09 16:15:23 akorphan oh there I ma 2011-02-09 16:15:26 mbklein jaf-- 2011-02-09 16:15:26 ndushay tuskishima != tsukus 2011-02-09 16:15:30 maccabee spirited_away++ 2011-02-09 16:15:31 akorphan jrochkind: hmmm..... 2011-02-09 16:15:36 nabeta http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whisper_of_the_Heart_(film) 2011-02-09 16:15:37 sesuncedu Read or Die 2011-02-09 16:15:43 atz i had a flat reel of Spirited Away i "inherited" from my minimum wage theatre job 2011-02-09 16:15:46 BigD Thats a privacy violation 2011-02-09 16:15:49 jaf this_presentation++ 2011-02-09 16:15:52 maccabee read books -> get married! 2011-02-09 16:15:53 anna3lc no spoiler alert! 2011-02-09 16:15:58 mnotess executive book summary 2011-02-09 16:15:59 dchud milkya++ 2011-02-09 16:16:02 highermath probably better than watching the movie 2011-02-09 16:16:03 jrochkind akorphan: you should propose/write an article on your touch screen thing (any aspect of your touch screen thing you think is interesting) for the C4L Journal. I haven't heard too much about touch screens in libraries. 2011-02-09 16:16:05 ndushay wait - this is after the heroine from spirit away? 2011-02-09 16:16:08 harvel haruki_ono++ 2011-02-09 16:16:11 BigD Put down plastic 2011-02-09 16:16:11 jaf milkya++ 2011-02-09 16:16:11 atz hookups4lib++ 2011-02-09 16:16:17 mbklein milkya++ 2011-02-09 16:16:18 scolford library_match_dot_com++ 2011-02-09 16:16:18 harvel @love libraries 2011-02-09 16:16:20 awead miyazaki++ 2011-02-09 16:16:20 zoia harvel: The operation succeeded. harvel loves libraries. 2011-02-09 16:16:23 pjb1 rumor has it there are often encounters in my library 2011-02-09 16:16:25 timmcgeary Hooking up over circulations! 2011-02-09 16:16:28 mnotess social opac challenges eHarmony and match.com 2011-02-09 16:16:29 duspal milkya++ 2011-02-09 16:16:30 atz isn't that libraryThing? 2011-02-09 16:16:31 anna3lc this is awesome 2011-02-09 16:16:33 ndushay i recommend bess 2011-02-09 16:16:41 dchud i recommend ndushay 2011-02-09 16:16:48 timmcgeary mnotess++ 2011-02-09 16:16:55 decasm_ algorism - i like it 2011-02-09 16:16:57 jrochkind no project can beat Project Fall In Love In Library. 2011-02-09 16:17:01 ndushay dchud++ 2011-02-09 16:17:02 sesuncedu http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/encyclopedia/anime.php?id=8951 2011-02-09 16:17:05 atz ndushay: dunno, haven't seen that one 2011-02-09 16:17:12 dchud i've watched this! 2011-02-09 16:17:13 sesuncedu LC Center for the Bonk 2011-02-09 16:17:15 mjg_ how cool is it that people traveled from Japan for code4lib? 2011-02-09 16:17:17 awead @ana Fall In Love In Library 2011-02-09 16:17:18 zoia awead: Nobler flair villainy 2011-02-09 16:17:26 dchud it's like LibPunk but with video 2011-02-09 16:17:30 pberry awead: Very 2011-02-09 16:17:30 mbklein I can't wait to see the movie version of this with Tom Hanks and Meg Ryan 2011-02-09 16:17:33 dchud nabeta sent me the link 2011-02-09 16:17:36 ranti dchud: totally 2011-02-09 16:17:39 timmcgeary mbklein++ 2011-02-09 16:17:41 jrochkind it's like a call-in show on scholarly research? 2011-02-09 16:17:44 atz akorphan: your talk was very informative. very useful stuff 2011-02-09 16:17:46 dchud i recommend ranti 2011-02-09 16:17:51 BigD LibCarrousel 2011-02-09 16:17:53 ndushay wait - isn't that when the chicago underground library meets? 2011-02-09 16:17:59 jrochkind and if you know japanese 2011-02-09 16:18:02 charper c4ljp++ 2011-02-09 16:18:07 tokeee milkya++ 2011-02-09 16:18:09 robcaSSon chatroullette for libraries 2011-02-09 16:18:13 ndushay japanese librarian engineers fall in love with chicago underground. 2011-02-09 16:18:22 ranti milkya++ 2011-02-09 16:18:22 highermath milkya++ 2011-02-09 16:18:23 atz aaaayooo 2011-02-09 16:18:23 KingNightWolf dig it 2011-02-09 16:18:25 mbklein The world doesn't even exist at 6am. They haven't finished booting the matrix yet by then. 2011-02-09 16:18:25 akorphan atz: thanks 2011-02-09 16:18:26 mnotess milkya++ 2011-02-09 16:18:28 timmcgeary mbklein: "You've Got Overdue Books" ? 2011-02-09 16:18:36 mjg_ milkya++ c4ljp++ 2011-02-09 16:18:40 erikhatcher what tech are these SCUBA folks using? Mahout? 2011-02-09 16:18:40 sesuncedu "Only libraries can acquire and circulate materials, censored or not. The Library Defense Force (LDF) was formed to protect libraries and their collections. While in high school, Iku Kasahara witnessed an LDF agent stop a government raid on a bookstore. She vowed to join the organization and be like her hero." 2011-02-09 16:18:40 MrDys sing it kanye 2011-02-09 16:18:40 scolford timmcgeary++ 2011-02-09 16:18:42 akorphan atz jrochkind: Maybe I'll do a proper paper 2011-02-09 16:18:47 robcaSSon @hate kanye 2011-02-09 16:18:49 zoia robcaSSon: The operation succeeded. robcaSSon hates kanye. 2011-02-09 16:19:01 mjg_ steve_from_uw++ 2011-02-09 16:19:03 timmcgeary @whocares kanye 2011-02-09 16:19:04 pberry Oh kanye... 2011-02-09 16:19:05 zoia robcaSSon hates kanye 2011-02-09 16:19:05 jrochkind mbklein: you are lying, although I don't USUALLY stay up that late, occasionally I have stayed up late enough to see 6am. 2011-02-09 16:19:11 ndushay stephenmeyer++ 2011-02-09 16:19:17 awead @sing Kanye West 2011-02-09 16:19:19 decasm_ code4lib.jp is pretty slick. i don't understand it, but it's slick. 2011-02-09 16:19:20 zoia Verse 1 / That's why alot of girls claim they aint into guys, and mess with other girls part time to improvise. / I know she wouldn't buy that i'd seen it in her eyes, but i'm like any other guy; tryna get in her thighs, she tellin' me about how black people should enterprise, i'm like if you don't get your ass in this ride from enterprise, that i rented yesterday and gotta have in by 5, with the gas fully filled up (1 more message) 2011-02-09 16:19:20 KingNightWolf everyone hates kanye 2011-02-09 16:19:21 mjg_ stephenmeyer++ 2011-02-09 16:19:23 robcaSSon @band add Chocolate Vulva 2011-02-09 16:19:24 zoia robcaSSon: Band 'Chocolate Vulva' added to list 2011-02-09 16:19:31 ranti sesuncedu: w00t. I just started reading the series. 2011-02-09 16:19:32 sesuncedu It is right... just not complete 2011-02-09 16:19:40 edsu pointers 2011-02-09 16:19:42 jaf @band add crusty old c programmers 2011-02-09 16:19:42 zoia jaf: Band 'crusty old c programmers' added to list 2011-02-09 16:19:47 atz crusty_old_C_coders++ 2011-02-09 16:19:49 mnotess @ana crusty old c programmers 2011-02-09 16:19:50 zoia mnotess: Grrr! Classy computerdom 2011-02-09 16:19:52 sesuncedu http://www.amazon.com/Library-Wars-Love-War-Vol/dp/1421534886 2011-02-09 16:19:54 dchud milkya: that was awesome 2011-02-09 16:19:56 jaf zoia++ 2011-02-09 16:19:56 mnotess ha ha 2011-02-09 16:19:59 KingNightWolf atz++ 2011-02-09 16:20:01 ndushay Krusty Krogrammers 2011-02-09 16:20:01 timmcgeary hey - I edited that article 2011-02-09 16:20:02 akorphan zoia++ 2011-02-09 16:20:03 mbklein jrochkind: Then you're still running on YESTERDAY'S rev. 2011-02-09 16:20:07 cbeer decasm: i added a dine around entry for finch's 2011-02-09 16:20:08 timmcgeary woot! 2011-02-09 16:20:08 ecorrado c4lj++ 2011-02-09 16:20:10 jrochkind journal shoutout! 2011-02-09 16:20:10 scolford zoia++ 2011-02-09 16:20:15 decasm_ cbeer++ 2011-02-09 16:20:17 akorphan Who's up now? 2011-02-09 16:20:22 mbklein c4lj++ 2011-02-09 16:20:22 escowles Krustee Koderz 2011-02-09 16:20:27 ndushay huh - decasm - make a rez for finchs? 2011-02-09 16:20:34 edsu wish LC would take FAST more seriously :-( 2011-02-09 16:20:36 timmcgeary c4lj++ 2011-02-09 16:20:39 jaf BigD: still doing the white castle run? 2011-02-09 16:20:42 timmcgeary @karma c4lj 2011-02-09 16:20:42 zoia timmcgeary: Karma for "c4lj" has been increased 4 times and decreased 0 times for a total karma of 4. 2011-02-09 16:20:45 ndushay akorphan: stephen meyer of UW Madison 2011-02-09 16:20:48 mjg_ oooh, white castle 2011-02-09 16:20:49 decasm_ ndushay: yeah, i'm going to call shortly. 2011-02-09 16:20:59 ndushay decasm++ 2011-02-09 16:21:00 akorphan ndushay: thanks 2011-02-09 16:21:06 ecorrado white_castle++ 2011-02-09 16:21:08 sesuncedu There's an incorrect semantic inference going up all in there 2011-02-09 16:21:16 decasm_ robcaSSon: you in for finch's? 2011-02-09 16:21:16 mjg_ BigD: wake up and talk about steamed sliders. 2011-02-09 16:21:19 ndushay akorphan: kewl stuff. 2011-02-09 16:21:21 mbklein Favorite thing about the c4l journal: Instead of just emailing authors about accepted submissions, they send out little NECCO valentine hearts saying "I choo-choo-choose you" 2011-02-09 16:21:21 erikhatcher hierarchy++ 2011-02-09 16:21:25 dchud this looks great but the only thing that would improve it is a cooler url 2011-02-09 16:21:30 mbklein (OK, not really, but they should.) 2011-02-09 16:21:40 edsu @band add Glitzy and Whatever 2011-02-09 16:21:40 zoia edsu: Band 'Glitzy and Whatever' added to list 2011-02-09 16:21:41 scolford mbklein++ 2011-02-09 16:21:42 sesuncedu [why yes, this roughly the central area of my dissertation topic] 2011-02-09 16:21:44 dchud akorphan: great talk, very cool view of that tech, thanks! 2011-02-09 16:21:44 highermath jaf: I could get behind a White Castle run! 2011-02-09 16:21:45 mjg_ mbklein+- # groan 2011-02-09 16:21:49 mbklein mbklein is eating way too many skittles 2011-02-09 16:21:50 robcaSSon decasm_: i'll probably just stick with Little Tibet...thanks tho 2011-02-09 16:21:51 tburtonw subject heading faceting ++ 2011-02-09 16:22:01 jrochkind dchud: what's wrong with the url? 2011-02-09 16:22:02 highermath highermath has car 2011-02-09 16:22:04 sesuncedu Not strictly faceting 2011-02-09 16:22:08 timmcgeary bad subfield - you have too much power 2011-02-09 16:22:09 akorphan dchud ndushay: thanks! 2011-02-09 16:22:09 sesuncedu not strictly not faceting 2011-02-09 16:22:11 decasm_ robcaSSon: cool, just wanted to check before reservation 2011-02-09 16:22:19 dchud jrochkind: very param-heavy, could just be a regular uri 2011-02-09 16:22:26 dchud but that's a nit 2011-02-09 16:22:29 was dchud: one URL for each subfield a? 2011-02-09 16:22:33 BigD Jaf - I'd like to. That jackass robcaSSon pulled out, so no car so far. 2011-02-09 16:22:38 ndushay research has shown that NO ONE fully knows LCSH 2011-02-09 16:22:51 jrochkind dchud: with multiple limits? I don't know any good way to put that in a pretty uri. I mean, you can do it, but it ends up kind of tricky on the code side. 2011-02-09 16:22:52 edsu ndushay: i believe that 2011-02-09 16:22:54 sesuncedu ndushay: Actually, it's worse than that 2011-02-09 16:22:54 jaf BigD: see highermath's statement just above 2011-02-09 16:22:57 mjg_ robcaSSon: where are you heading for dinner? finch's? 2011-02-09 16:23:01 pmurray "Cataloging data double dash things." 2011-02-09 16:23:04 highermath BigD: I have a car 2011-02-09 16:23:13 ndushay should we use LCC too? 2011-02-09 16:23:15 bmljenny Pretty pretty landing page. Shiny. 2011-02-09 16:23:16 robcaSSon mjg_: Little Tibet. 2011-02-09 16:23:17 akorphan double_dash-- 2011-02-09 16:23:19 ndushay (ha ha ha) 2011-02-09 16:23:23 KingNightWolf I have a library copter 2011-02-09 16:23:26 mjg_ robcaSSon: ah, right. 2011-02-09 16:23:26 maccabee smeyer++ 2011-02-09 16:23:27 pberry @sing arcade fire : no car go 2011-02-09 16:23:29 zoia pberry: No lyrics found for no car go by arcade fire 2011-02-09 16:23:31 sesuncedu ndushay: it seems that people who have used it for 20 years may have aquired an understanding 2011-02-09 16:23:35 timmcgeary KingNightWorf++ 2011-02-09 16:23:35 edsu smeyer++ 2011-02-09 16:23:40 cbeer dchud,jrochkind: i'd like to see the primary topic in the uri, at least 2011-02-09 16:23:42 sesuncedu ndushay: but not catalogers or users 2011-02-09 16:23:42 dchud delicious does it with "+" or something like that right? 2011-02-09 16:23:43 mbklein I should've brought my library raid jacket. 2011-02-09 16:23:45 was jrochkind: /subjects/abstract_expressionism/places? 2011-02-09 16:23:46 anna3lc mario_kart_double_dash++ 2011-02-09 16:23:48 dchud cbeer: yeah that's what i was thinking 2011-02-09 16:23:49 ndushay sesuncedu: but perhaps not a SHARED understanding 2011-02-09 16:23:52 mjg_ white castle followed by upland or the h-suite would be a fine way to spend the night 2011-02-09 16:24:03 KingNightWolf anna3lc++ 2011-02-09 16:24:04 jrochkind dchud: like, /topic/Anarchy/geo/Asia/chron/19th+Century .... kinda a mess. but yeah, primary one should be in the URI, and it's only one line of code in rails routes.rb to make it so, easy to fix. 2011-02-09 16:24:13 ndushay i can't keep up here. 2011-02-09 16:24:15 atz @sing olof arnalds: crazy car 2011-02-09 16:24:16 zoia atz: No lyrics found for crazy car by olof arnalds 2011-02-09 16:24:19 ndushay so i'll write more drivel! 2011-02-09 16:24:20 cbeer are the UW folk on irc? 2011-02-09 16:24:27 dchud jrochkind: sure, something like that 2011-02-09 16:24:30 decasm_ also, anyone interested in village deli tomorrow, put your name on the social activities page (mbklein) 2011-02-09 16:24:30 robcaSSon mjg_: if you guys end up at Upland, let me know...i'd like to get there too 2011-02-09 16:24:35 ndushay stephenmeyer will come back. 2011-02-09 16:24:40 sesuncedu ndushay: The only really on point study was Markey et al., which had a suspiciously high IRR for the raters 2011-02-09 16:24:54 atz @sing Ólöf arnalds: crazy car 2011-02-09 16:24:54 sesuncedu ndushay: but found ~50% understanding by catalogers, and << that for users 2011-02-09 16:24:55 zoia atz: No lyrics found for crazy car by Ólöf arnalds 2011-02-09 16:24:57 mbklein sesuncedu: raters gonna rate 2011-02-09 16:25:00 BigD highermath: Woot! Meet in lobby at 5:30? 2011-02-09 16:25:01 mnotess @ana popcorn skittles mixed nuts 2011-02-09 16:25:02 zoia mnotess: Kindest exploits scrump not 2011-02-09 16:25:03 jrochkind dchud: yeah, that full thing just requires pain in the ass code to parse and generate URLs like that, which probably isn't worth it just for aesthetics. But agree the primary one should be in the path. 2011-02-09 16:25:12 sesuncedu mbkelin: bust a kappa in yo ass 2011-02-09 16:25:18 jaf short_url++ 2011-02-09 16:25:20 yo_bj No you're supposed to touch it 2011-02-09 16:25:24 ndushay sesuncedu: i was recalling the Markey stuff. Didn't know about the IRR ... what's IRR? 2011-02-09 16:25:29 timmcgeary qr_code++ 2011-02-09 16:25:33 scolford yo_bj++ 2011-02-09 16:25:36 highermath BigD: okay c u @ 530 2011-02-09 16:25:38 ndushay Eric Larson is another UW Madison "forward" guy 2011-02-09 16:25:43 BigD robcaSSon: Die in a fire 2011-02-09 16:25:48 ejk Looks nice 2011-02-09 16:25:48 sesuncedu http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inter-rater_reliability 2011-02-09 16:25:54 anarchivist mjg_: we're going to upland for dinner, so feel free to look for us after white castle 2011-02-09 16:25:57 ndushay stephenmeyer++ # nice 2011-02-09 16:26:00 akorphan mmm, lightly customized. 2011-02-09 16:26:01 anarchivist wisc.edu++ 2011-02-09 16:26:06 mbklein Most popular photo in the OSU Flickr archive, I'm assuming based on wrongheaded search clickthroughs: http://www.flickr.com/photos/osucommons/3332955265/ 2011-02-09 16:26:12 sesuncedu nudhay: Karen Markey writing as Karen M. Drabenstott... 2011-02-09 16:26:25 edsu jrochkind: do you guys do any analytics no c4lj? 2011-02-09 16:26:26 robcaSSon mbklein++ 2011-02-09 16:26:26 jrochkind man, this is a room full of some smart computer geeks. I think there may be no room in the country with a higher density of clever computer geeks. 2011-02-09 16:26:28 BigD highermath: Want to go to upland after white castle? 2011-02-09 16:26:30 timmcgeary mbklein++ 2011-02-09 16:26:34 jrochkind edsu: limited, with Google Analytics. 2011-02-09 16:26:36 anarchivist sesuncedu: she was drabenstott when i was at michigan 2011-02-09 16:26:37 ndushay sesuncedu: yes, i know. Diane Hillmann pointed me towards the work many years ago. 2011-02-09 16:26:45 sesuncedu stepheniemyer-- 2011-02-09 16:26:55 scolford mbklein: at least it's not "nude child" 2011-02-09 16:26:55 pmurray mbklein++ 2011-02-09 16:27:09 ndushay i have trouble with drabenstott as a name. I always want it to be something else 2011-02-09 16:27:10 highermath BigD: sure, as long as it is in Indiana 2011-02-09 16:27:11 mbklein scolford: Poor Tom. 2011-02-09 16:27:15 ndushay @ana drabenstott 2011-02-09 16:27:15 zoia ndushay: Tatters bond 2011-02-09 16:27:21 tbw ndushay: Lois Mai Chan also did a few studie I think 2011-02-09 16:27:23 jrochkind rails_engines++ # even though it took DHH like five years to stop discouraging them 2011-02-09 16:27:27 mjg_ anarchivist: werd. walking or driving or taxiing? 2011-02-09 16:27:29 robcaSSon mbklein: here's ours: http://foam.lib.muohio.edu/multifacet/record/oai-doyle-lib-muohio-edu-snyder-95 2011-02-09 16:27:30 scolford ["nude child" being the most viewed BPL flickr item. sadly.] 2011-02-09 16:27:37 cazzerson cwlown++ 2011-02-09 16:27:39 erikhatcher does anyone really use QR codes? 2011-02-09 16:27:41 anarchivist mjg_: i think we're going to be walking. 2011-02-09 16:27:45 akorphan Oh, THAT's Eric Lease Morgan. 2011-02-09 16:27:45 mbklein robcaSSon: ew 2011-02-09 16:27:45 BigD So, white castle run = highermath jaf mjg_ ? Anyone else? 2011-02-09 16:27:48 mjg_ anarchivist: long cold walk, yo 2011-02-09 16:27:49 sesuncedu ndushay: The UM study as the only one that would have been viable 2011-02-09 16:27:52 ecorrado where is Eric's chair? 2011-02-09 16:27:53 timmcgeary @ana counting words 2011-02-09 16:27:54 zoia timmcgeary: Wrong discount 2011-02-09 16:27:55 atz mayor quimbee style! 2011-02-09 16:27:56 mjg_ BigD: mcritchlow 2011-02-09 16:27:57 mbklein ecorrado++ 2011-02-09 16:27:59 jaron1 cwlown++ 2011-02-09 16:28:00 scolford holy crap, robcasson 2011-02-09 16:28:03 dchud ecorrado: we should *totally* bring it up there 2011-02-09 16:28:05 robcaSSon mbklein: i don't think it really is...just the only one i remember 2011-02-09 16:28:07 mjg_ BigD: will check on dmc186 too 2011-02-09 16:28:10 sesuncedu Where's Walden!!! 2011-02-09 16:28:11 edsu jrochkind: do they stats give you an idea of what are popular topics, kinda like what mark pilgrim did w/ his online html5 book http://diveintomark.org/archives/2011/01/09/dive-into-2010 2011-02-09 16:28:14 dchud maybe at the 4:50 mark 2011-02-09 16:28:18 ndushay super ugly web page 2011-02-09 16:28:19 mbklein anarchivist: where you going? 2011-02-09 16:28:25 ejk @karma elm 2011-02-09 16:28:25 zoia ejk: Karma for "elm" has been increased 1 time and decreased 0 times for a total karma of 1. 2011-02-09 16:28:28 jtgorman erikhatcher: I suspect not, but the placard idea is one of the best uses I've seen so far 2011-02-09 16:28:30 ndushay another super ugly web page. 2011-02-09 16:28:37 anarchivist mjg_: good point ... hmm - should just get taxis from hotel reg desk 2011-02-09 16:28:38 escowles BigD: i'm in for wc 2011-02-09 16:28:41 eefcee http://infomotions.com/alex/ 2011-02-09 16:28:42 anarchivist mbklein: upland brewing 2011-02-09 16:28:44 jtgorman erikhatcher: think, you could rent out some sort of mobile computer, like the various audio tours 2011-02-09 16:28:44 MrDys I like how he points when he speaks 2011-02-09 16:29:00 mjg_ anarchivist: should you need a taxi: 812-334-8294 2011-02-09 16:29:02 pjb1 wax on, wax off 2011-02-09 16:29:04 sesuncedu Planes 2011-02-09 16:29:04 pberry Upland sounds promising 2011-02-09 16:29:07 ndushay i like the scale. 2011-02-09 16:29:08 jtgorman erikhatcher: or even just create an audio tour w/ a barcode scanner/cheap camera 2011-02-09 16:29:09 mjg_ (B'ton White Cab) 2011-02-09 16:29:13 anarchivist mjg_++ 2011-02-09 16:29:13 timmcgeary word-o-meter 2011-02-09 16:29:17 ndushay tbw: why don't YOU do that. 2011-02-09 16:29:21 highermath BigD: I have a "compact" car - 4 max 2011-02-09 16:29:23 ranti he looks like a preacher with the book in his left hand 2011-02-09 16:29:23 jrochkind ndushay: it's more top-down theory than bottom-up-user-study, but you may be interested in a paper I wrote in library school on controlled vocabulary (not LCSH specifically), which cites some papers by Chan and Markey. http://bibwild.wordpress.com/2010/01/20/purposesfunctions-of-controlled-vocabulary/ 2011-02-09 16:29:26 pberry wc -l 2011-02-09 16:29:28 tzhaya_ Maybe "SCUBA" = "TSUKUBA"? 2011-02-09 16:29:28 ndushay tbw: with a fancy-pants scale graphic. 2011-02-09 16:29:28 anna3lc word-o-meter! 2011-02-09 16:29:43 anarchivist tzhaya_++ 2011-02-09 16:29:45 mbklein anarchivist: hmmm...decisions... 2011-02-09 16:29:46 sesuncedu Tsubasa 2011-02-09 16:29:57 mjg_ BigD: if dmc186 is down, he might could be willing to drive 2011-02-09 16:29:58 ejk super_note_binder++ 2011-02-09 16:30:00 robcaSSon anarchivist: you're just going straight to upland? what time? 2011-02-09 16:30:00 zpinhead maybe just call it the suckometer 2011-02-09 16:30:04 decasm_ jrochkind, BillDueber, ndushay, cbeer, MrDys - best reservation i could get was 7:30. everyone still in? 2011-02-09 16:30:04 anarchivist mbklein: the food at irish lion wasn't inspiring. 2011-02-09 16:30:06 dlovins I like how ELM's word counter can act as a concordance for any book (or across multiple books?) 2011-02-09 16:30:09 timmcgeary poor Tolstoy - he would get killed on the word-o-meter 2011-02-09 16:30:12 dchud tzhaya_: yes, sounds like "scuba" to most of us :) 2011-02-09 16:30:13 MrDys decasm_: I'm cool with that 2011-02-09 16:30:18 anarchivist robcaSSon: leaving from the hotel lobby at 6:30. 2011-02-09 16:30:18 BillDueber Me too. 2011-02-09 16:30:18 BigD Ok, white castle ppl just meet in lobby at 5:30. We'll see who has cars. And recruit drivers? 2011-02-09 16:30:20 KingNightWolf this is some cool stuff 2011-02-09 16:30:21 ndushay um - has he heard of tag clouds? 2011-02-09 16:30:24 jrochkind decasm_: yep, I am. I might meet you there, I want to stop by the anarchist bookstore first. 2011-02-09 16:30:25 jtgorman http://search.cpan.org/dist/Lingua-EN-Fathom/ is a useful perl library if I remember correctly 2011-02-09 16:30:26 tbw We would get 2 million words starting with q 2011-02-09 16:30:26 scolford anarchivist: leprechaun wings!!! 2011-02-09 16:30:32 atz that was ... FAST 2011-02-09 16:30:38 mjg_ BigD: k. unplanning win. 2011-02-09 16:30:39 anna3lc pretty! 2011-02-09 16:30:40 jrochkind decasm_++ 2011-02-09 16:30:45 tzhaya_ I see > sound like "scuba" 2011-02-09 16:30:49 MrDys decasm_: meet in the lobby at 7? 2011-02-09 16:30:51 atz massive data breakdowns 2011-02-09 16:30:53 anarchivist every time a __________ a leprechaun gets its wings 2011-02-09 16:30:53 cbeer decasm_: sounds good 2011-02-09 16:30:57 ndushay decasm: I'm in for 7:30, yes. 2011-02-09 16:31:00 mbklein anarchivist: I see what you mean 2011-02-09 16:31:01 anna3lc i love that center column of red words 2011-02-09 16:31:04 ndushay later is better for me anyway. 2011-02-09 16:31:05 timmcgeary This would have been fantastic in my music history research papers 2011-02-09 16:31:05 robcaSSon eby, wickr: wanna stick with Little Tibet tonight, or Upland? i'm torn, but i'm also staying till friday, so have options... 2011-02-09 16:31:10 sesuncedu Bullet with leprechaun wings 2011-02-09 16:31:17 MrDys sesuncedu++ 2011-02-09 16:31:22 eby Haven't looked at menu 2011-02-09 16:31:25 wickr robcaSSon: I'd be fine with either really 2011-02-09 16:31:29 escowles words of goo 2011-02-09 16:31:31 jaf hate to see the heat map on that 2011-02-09 16:31:31 dchud touchgraph? 2011-02-09 16:31:34 edsu protovis 2011-02-09 16:31:37 jrochkind all of elm's stuff like this, it's interesting ART but I never understand why it's useful. 2011-02-09 16:31:38 decasm_ yeah, lobby @ 7, leave no later than 7:15 2011-02-09 16:31:38 dlovins protovis++ 2011-02-09 16:31:39 timmcgeary show mean were "impressionism" is detailed in a book about Debussy 2011-02-09 16:31:42 anarchivist mbklein: yeah, we looked at irish lion for a c4lcon happy hour, but the lack of veggie options was pretty problematic 2011-02-09 16:31:46 eby Can do upland if you want robcaSSon 2011-02-09 16:31:47 timmcgeary s/mean/me 2011-02-09 16:31:47 akorphan I like emorgan's circa 1998 MIT-math-department-style web pages. (Seriously.) 2011-02-09 16:31:48 ndushay the graphic is drifting ... 2011-02-09 16:31:49 anna3lc where is it going? 2011-02-09 16:31:51 mnotess jrochkind++ 2011-02-09 16:31:52 mtomko it's going to drift right off the screen. 2011-02-09 16:31:55 edsu i only know because i saw him asking questions on the protovis discussion list :-) 2011-02-09 16:31:59 pmurray it is trying to get away from eric. 2011-02-09 16:32:00 anna3lc it's floating in the current 2011-02-09 16:32:03 jrochkind decasm_: I might meet you there, if I"m not in the lobby don't replace me or anything. Send me your cell num? 2011-02-09 16:32:09 pmurray Run away! Run away! 2011-02-09 16:32:10 atz akorphan: yeah, straight out of the old days. 2011-02-09 16:32:11 timmcgeary @ana floating network 2011-02-09 16:32:12 zoia timmcgeary: Now flattering OK 2011-02-09 16:32:14 dchud the mass of men live lives of awkward visualizations 2011-02-09 16:32:16 duspal RUN LITTLE GRAPH! 2011-02-09 16:32:20 dlovins pmurray++ 2011-02-09 16:32:20 jaf is his hypo tyree floating away? 2011-02-09 16:32:25 jrochkind yeah, what's cool in the book is Ponds and Likely. Um? 2011-02-09 16:32:29 ndushay jrochkind++ # not clear if it's useful. 2011-02-09 16:32:33 BigD Maybe we can steal cars... 2011-02-09 16:32:37 edsu dchud: tis true 2011-02-09 16:32:41 mbklein duspal++ 2011-02-09 16:32:47 ndushay also - why have a viz if the rest of your pages are so incredibly ugly? 2011-02-09 16:32:48 timmcgeary elm++ 2011-02-09 16:32:52 jrochkind ndushay: yeah, so you caught that, reservation is at 7:30 at finches. Meet in lobby at 7 or meet there. 2011-02-09 16:32:52 eefcee elm++ 2011-02-09 16:32:55 mnotess visualization is often in search of purpose 2011-02-09 16:32:59 pberry Is there some dinner sign up page I'm not finding? 2011-02-09 16:33:00 mjg_ tolstoy++ 2011-02-09 16:33:03 BigD mcdonald1: Are you up for a 5:30 white castle run? 2011-02-09 16:33:05 anna3lc elm++ i'm a convert 2011-02-09 16:33:07 timmcgeary free++ 2011-02-09 16:33:09 mnotess tolstoy++ 2011-02-09 16:33:11 sesuncedu The page is a container for the vizualization 2011-02-09 16:33:11 dchud edsu: though elm's project is a nice, useful set of hacks for sure 2011-02-09 16:33:12 mbklein elm++ 2011-02-09 16:33:12 akorphan speakers_from_the_chilly_north++ 2011-02-09 16:33:15 scolford tolstoy++ 2011-02-09 16:33:17 freqlurker best name ever 2011-02-09 16:33:19 ndushay pberry: http://wiki.code4lib.org/index.php/C4L2011_social_activities 2011-02-09 16:33:20 atz pberry: there's just a few ideas, don't really need to sign up 2011-02-09 16:33:24 mbklein sesuncedu: The visualization cannot be contained. 2011-02-09 16:33:26 anarchivist cucumber++ 2011-02-09 16:33:27 akorphan @ana Theodor Tolstoy 2011-02-09 16:33:27 anarchivist cucumber++ 2011-02-09 16:33:27 anarchivist cucumber++ 2011-02-09 16:33:28 zoia akorphan: Tool hot destroy 2011-02-09 16:33:29 anarchivist cucumber++ 2011-02-09 16:33:29 ranti I will use ELM stuff whenever I'm too lazy to read a book... 2011-02-09 16:33:34 edsu dchud: i loved using concordances when i was an english major, so i can relate 2011-02-09 16:33:35 sesuncedu Better than a man 2011-02-09 16:33:39 jrochkind yeah, I guess elm's stuff it's just R&D of various techniques, waiting to be found a useful application. nothing wrong with that. 2011-02-09 16:33:41 erikhatcher "now this is gonna make a real mess" 2011-02-09 16:33:45 mjg_ cukes++ 2011-02-09 16:33:46 tokeee tool_hot_destroy++ 2011-02-09 16:33:50 jtgorman edsu: yeah, I liked playing with the idea as an undergrad... 2011-02-09 16:33:55 timmcgeary ranti: not laziness; efficiency. 2011-02-09 16:33:56 sesuncedu edsu: corpus linguisitcs 2011-02-09 16:34:03 edsu dchud: when i worked at the etext center at columbia people really did want to do that stuff 2011-02-09 16:34:06 jrochkind although he ended with "and this is why catalogs should include this kind of feature", which I'm not buying. 2011-02-09 16:34:18 sesuncedu edsu: it's not a just a good idea, it's a subfield 2011-02-09 16:34:27 ndushay decasm: meet in lobby at ?? 2011-02-09 16:34:28 edsu sesuncedu: :-) 2011-02-09 16:34:32 ranti timmcgeary: that one comes when I need to analyze the book. ;-) 2011-02-09 16:34:35 robcaSSon wickr, eby: wanna just do upland? if so, i'll pull us off the Little Tibet list 2011-02-09 16:34:38 timmcgeary jrochkind: not catalogs, discovery interfaces 2011-02-09 16:34:41 jrochkind edsu: so are you just watching the stream all day? Kind of ridiculous that you didn't just come here! 2011-02-09 16:34:45 eby robcaSSon: Sure 2011-02-09 16:34:47 jaf i love on the cukes page step 7 is "Repeat 1-6 until the money runs out" 2011-02-09 16:34:53 danhorst <3 2011-02-09 16:34:56 edsu jrochkind: yeah, i haven't been feeling so well, so i've been at home 2011-02-09 16:34:58 wickr robcaSSon: sure 2011-02-09 16:35:07 edsu jrochkind: doing work, i couldn't get away for family reasons unfortunately 2011-02-09 16:35:12 jrochkind jaf: nice, that's like the opposite of 'profit'. From now on that's my last step, I'm abandoning 'profit', which is over-rated. 2011-02-09 16:35:15 jrochkind edsu: cool 2011-02-09 16:35:18 ndushay edsu: come here and we could make you feel worse. 2011-02-09 16:35:25 erikhatcher jrochkind: i'm a bit under the weather myself, so tuning in to the stream all day.... great stuff. i wish i was still there, alas 2011-02-09 16:35:30 pberry @fight duke unc 2011-02-09 16:35:31 zoia pberry: duke: 31000000, unc: 3940000 2011-02-09 16:35:35 edsu ndushay: :-) 2011-02-09 16:35:50 jrochkind mcdonald1++ for the awesome stream. It kind of seems like we have as many people watching the stream as are her ein person at any given time. 2011-02-09 16:35:52 mbklein robcaSSon: http://free-to-all.digital.bpl.org.s3.amazonaws.com/streams/bpldc:08_06_000655/08_06_000655-500.jpg 2011-02-09 16:35:52 dchud edsu: cool. i forgot you worked there. tell me about it sometime eh 2011-02-09 16:35:58 erikhatcher cucumber++ 2011-02-09 16:36:03 BigD robcaSSon: You could do WC then upland. Then I will love you again. 2011-02-09 16:36:04 scolford mbklein: squee! 2011-02-09 16:36:05 sesuncedu pberry: Time for a Marshall plan 2011-02-09 16:36:13 robcaSSon BigD: i'm gonna pull out....again 2011-02-09 16:36:16 edsu jrochkind: having a good time i trust? 2011-02-09 16:36:36 mbklein scolford: Don't forget the monkey fighting the stork: http://free-to-all.digital.bpl.org.s3.amazonaws.com/streams/bpldc:08_06_000582/08_06_000582-500.jpg 2011-02-09 16:36:39 jrochkind erikhatcher: did I ever tell you that one of my co-workers who's a Java-head, but is not interested in libraries specifically even though he works in one, when he saw you were doinga pre-conf at a past code4lib, he was like "Erik Hatcher? Why would Erik Hatcher be at a _library_ conference?" [with disdain in his voice for libraries] 2011-02-09 16:36:47 edsu dchud: ok :-) 2011-02-09 16:36:50 pberry sesuncedu: Did we screw up Germany again? 2011-02-09 16:36:51 mjg_ WC_then_Upland_then_Hospitality++ # still ~25 bottles 2011-02-09 16:36:57 ndushay people_not_from_us_or_canada++ 2011-02-09 16:36:58 scolford I love the subject heading "animals in human situations" 2011-02-09 16:37:03 erikhatcher jrochkind: i'm crazy like that 2011-02-09 16:37:06 robcaSSon scolford++ mbklein++ # bpl has the best digital collections evar 2011-02-09 16:37:19 anarchivist http://www.flickr.com/photos/hungryghoast/4212020325/ 2011-02-09 16:37:21 davidWalker davidWalker claps 2011-02-09 16:37:21 BigD edsu: You did miss many fine beers much... Not. 2011-02-09 16:37:32 ejk eby: you up soon? 2011-02-09 16:37:36 jaf we should institute a prize for furthest travel to make it to c4l again 2011-02-09 16:37:39 BigD Didn't. Never mind 2011-02-09 16:37:48 ejk ejk lost count of where we were 2011-02-09 16:37:49 jrochkind jaf: what do they win? 2011-02-09 16:37:49 eby ejk: Got a few ahead 2011-02-09 16:37:50 robcaSSon anarchivist: is that jtgorman? 2011-02-09 16:37:52 jtgorman edsu: you missed the Founder's Oatmeal Stout on tap. Ask BigD about that. 2011-02-09 16:37:55 scolford BPL digitization selection philosophy - let's do shit that makes us laugh 2011-02-09 16:38:04 jaf jrochkind: the first year they got a book written by RoyT 2011-02-09 16:38:04 mbklein scolford++ 2011-02-09 16:38:08 ndushay french_accents++ 2011-02-09 16:38:14 timmcgeary yum: outmeal stout 2011-02-09 16:38:27 scolford anarchivist: wtf? 2011-02-09 16:38:35 was HCL digitization selection policy: What's on the top of the special collections librarian's desk? 2011-02-09 16:38:37 ejk Quite the internation presence in this batch of talks 2011-02-09 16:38:48 ejk s/nation/national 2011-02-09 16:38:51 ndushay who is this? 2011-02-09 16:38:53 jrochkind jaf: who's MC'ing tomorrow? Someone shoudl at least do a shoutout to the folks who travelled from far away, along with being sure to remember to thank mcdonald1 et al 2011-02-09 16:38:57 wickr ndushay: Aurélien Charo 2011-02-09 16:39:05 timmcgeary internationalization_of_c4l++ 2011-02-09 16:39:06 BigD jtgorman: I'm too hungover to be angry. 2011-02-09 16:39:06 ndushay wickr++ 2011-02-09 16:39:08 wickr ndushay: more info the lightning talks page 2011-02-09 16:39:10 ejk mcdonald1++ 2011-02-09 16:39:11 mjg_ anarchivist: ¿donde esta el melón? 2011-02-09 16:39:16 ejk live_stream++ 2011-02-09 16:39:17 wickr australia is represented too 2011-02-09 16:39:17 sesuncedu ANSEL 2011-02-09 16:39:23 mbklein jrochkind: I was gonna shout out to the hosts at wrapup today. 2011-02-09 16:39:24 ndushay wickr: I stared but i did not see. 2011-02-09 16:39:30 MrDys mjg_: did you happen to be the one that brought the Sly Fox Ichor last night? 2011-02-09 16:39:38 mjg_ MrDys: guilty 2011-02-09 16:39:38 anarchivist mjg_: el melón esta en la cocina. 2011-02-09 16:39:40 ndushay mbklein: many shout outs are good. 2011-02-09 16:39:50 ndushay jrochkind: shout it out! 2011-02-09 16:39:51 MrDys mjg_: that was gooooooooood. I need to find a way to get it in Baltimore 2011-02-09 16:39:57 anarchivist @sing sun city girls : esta susan en casa 2011-02-09 16:39:58 zoia anarchivist: No lyrics found for esta susan en casa by sun city girls 2011-02-09 16:40:08 anarchivist MrDys: have you had stuff from stillwater? 2011-02-09 16:40:13 mbklein atz: What was that bourbon barrel beer you had last night? Must Find Moar. 2011-02-09 16:40:13 anarchivist MrDys: it's super good 2011-02-09 16:40:17 MrDys anarchivist: I don't think so 2011-02-09 16:40:21 BigD My fave last night was the sea bass from escowles 2011-02-09 16:40:24 anarchivist MrDys: they're from baltimore 2011-02-09 16:40:26 jrochkind mbklein++ 2011-02-09 16:40:30 robcaSSon @sing sun city girls : horse cock phepner 2011-02-09 16:40:31 zoia robcaSSon: No lyrics found for horse cock phepner by sun city girls 2011-02-09 16:40:32 mjg_ MrDys: if you want to take advantage of swapping microservices, we might could get UPS or FedEx as a service bus. 2011-02-09 16:40:33 jaf @sing sonic youth : ca plane pour moi 2011-02-09 16:40:35 zoia jaf: No lyrics found for ca plane pour moi by sonic youth 2011-02-09 16:40:35 jtgorman anarchivist: hey..when were you...wha... 2011-02-09 16:40:40 robcaSSon sea_bass++ escowles++ # awesome 2011-02-09 16:40:43 MrDys mjg_++ 2011-02-09 16:40:46 dlovins http://www.abes.fr/abes/en/page,428,star.html 2011-02-09 16:40:49 atz mbklein: Kentucky Brewing Company, Bourbon Barrel Ale 2011-02-09 16:40:53 pjb1 @sing plastic bertrand ; ca plane pour moi 2011-02-09 16:40:54 zoia pjb1: No songs found by plastic bertrand ; ca plane pour moi 2011-02-09 16:40:57 anarchivist MrDys: http://stillwaterales.blogspot.com/ 2011-02-09 16:40:58 tshearerlib update massively! 2011-02-09 16:40:58 jrochkind mjg_: UPS and FedEx don't have busses, you're thinking Greyhound. 2011-02-09 16:41:06 MrDys blogspot, eh? 2011-02-09 16:41:07 freqlurker @sing plastic bertrand : ca plane pour moi 2011-02-09 16:41:07 tbw Good ol oracle triggers 2011-02-09 16:41:08 zoia T'inquiète / Touche pas ma planète / It's not to day / Quel le ciel me tombera sur la tête 2011-02-09 16:41:16 BigD atz: That was my #2 fave 2011-02-09 16:41:17 mjg_ MrDys: but srsly, I'd be up for mailing beers back and forth with you, if yer interested. 2011-02-09 16:41:21 sesuncedu mjg: those aren't microservices, those are mini-buses 2011-02-09 16:41:25 ndushay @sing la vie en rose 2011-02-09 16:41:26 zoia ndushay: No songs found by la vie en rose 2011-02-09 16:41:29 bmljenny freqlurker++ 2011-02-09 16:41:30 mjg_ so many good accents this year. 2011-02-09 16:41:37 mbklein atz++ 2011-02-09 16:41:37 escowles my faves are a tie of the sea bass and the lost abbey sinners # new sour convert 2011-02-09 16:41:37 atz BigD: nice. of course i must know what was #1? 2011-02-09 16:41:40 MrDys mjg_: I may take you up on that, I need to see what's available to me 2011-02-09 16:41:41 jaf so few neckbeards 2011-02-09 16:41:46 sesuncedu @sing Miss Kittin 2011-02-09 16:41:47 dchud shoot, i thought i heard "the format of death" at first 2011-02-09 16:41:47 davidWalker from now on everyone should say 'Solr' with a French accent 2011-02-09 16:41:48 mjg_ MrDys: aight, KIT. 2011-02-09 16:41:48 zoia This is the story, of a post modern museInternationally minded, with nothing to loseShe was young, hanging out, nobody waiting at homeHer name was passion, she was the enemy of loveAnother fading beauty on the sunset stripx4When our muse abused, of a few substancesHer reputation was cut into piecesWatching the sky where the true stars belonged toShe knew if the sun goes down, it goes up tooAnother fading beauty on (1 more message) 2011-02-09 16:41:49 anarchivist jaf: so much time 2011-02-09 16:41:52 pmurray @karma 2011-02-09 16:41:53 zoia pmurray: Highest karma: "mbklein" (455), "anarchivist" (406), and "edsu" (391). Lowest karma: "iii" (-131), "central_IT" (-31), and "solaris" (-17). You (pmurray) are ranked 34 out of 3403. 2011-02-09 16:41:55 knickum @sing Edith Piaf 2011-02-09 16:41:58 zoia L'un près de l'autre, ils étaient là, / Tous deux assis, comme endormis / Au bord de la banquette en bois / Dans la salle d'attente. 2011-02-09 16:41:58 jaf anarchivist: so much itch 2011-02-09 16:41:58 mbklein robcaSSon / anarchivist: http://goo.gl/siXPj 2011-02-09 16:41:59 zoia mbklein: I believe you're referring to <http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/2011/feb/07/california-man-killed-by-armed-bird-at-cockfight/> 2011-02-09 16:42:03 MrDys @sing mc solaar 2011-02-09 16:42:04 zoia On le stoppe sur le périph’ avec sa diligence / Puis on le place à Fresnes pour que Fresnes le freine / Victime des directives de ce que l’on appelle / Le nouveau western 2011-02-09 16:42:10 BigD atz: Sea bass 2011-02-09 16:42:10 dchud @sing serge gainsbourg 2011-02-09 16:42:12 zoia Y’ en a / Marabout / Y’ en a marre 2011-02-09 16:42:12 mjg_ I don't think I got to try the Ichor, sadly. that was the quadrupel? 2011-02-09 16:42:15 ndushay mbklein: werewolf should be narrated with a french accent. 2011-02-09 16:42:20 sesuncedu @sing Marcel Marceau 2011-02-09 16:42:22 zoia sesuncedu: No songs found by Marcel Marceau 2011-02-09 16:42:27 dchud @sing southern all-stars 2011-02-09 16:42:28 MrDys mjg_: yeah, and it was tasty tasty tasty 2011-02-09 16:42:29 zoia dchud: No songs found by southern all-stars 2011-02-09 16:42:30 anarchivist mbklein: http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/2011/feb/08/spaghettios-sparked-alleged-samurai-sword-attack/ 2011-02-09 16:42:30 sesuncedu werewolf-- vampire++ 2011-02-09 16:42:37 davidWalker pmurrary: boy, a III system hosted by central IT on solaris would have some serious karma issues 2011-02-09 16:42:38 was anarchivist: Have you tried any Surlys? http://www.surlybrewing.com They sell in cans, so I was afraid to bring on plane. 2011-02-09 16:42:38 dchud @sing richard desjardins 2011-02-09 16:42:39 mjg_ CERVEZA++ 2011-02-09 16:42:40 zoia dchud: No songs found by richard desjardins 2011-02-09 16:42:43 mbklein anarchivist: san_diego++ 2011-02-09 16:42:46 dchud zoia: boo 2011-02-09 16:42:47 zoia dchud: an NDA is required for me to answer that question 2011-02-09 16:42:52 pjb1 @sing the fugs 2011-02-09 16:42:53 zoia pjb1: No songs found by the fugs 2011-02-09 16:43:04 scolford @sing jaques brel : la chanson de jacky 2011-02-09 16:43:05 anarchivist was: no, but i've heard good things about it 2011-02-09 16:43:05 ecorrado http://www.abes.fr/abes/en/index.html 2011-02-09 16:43:05 zoia scolford: No lyrics found for la chanson de jacky by jaques brel 2011-02-09 16:43:06 gregjansen @sing Jacque Dutronc 2011-02-09 16:43:07 zoia gregjansen: No songs found by Jacque Dutronc 2011-02-09 16:43:14 ndushay no ... more ... metadata ... 2011-02-09 16:43:18 scolford @sing jaques brel : jackie 2011-02-09 16:43:19 anarchivist @sing mc solaar 2011-02-09 16:43:20 zoia scolford: No lyrics found for jackie by jaques brel 2011-02-09 16:43:21 zoia anarchivist: No lyrics found for Mach 6 by mc solaar 2011-02-09 16:43:24 atz BigD: http://www.ratebeer.com/beer/cigar-city-sea-bass/131348/ # this one? 2011-02-09 16:43:25 mjg_ español++ 2011-02-09 16:43:32 ndushay mets-- 2011-02-09 16:43:32 anarchivist atz: yep 2011-02-09 16:43:37 atz cool 2011-02-09 16:43:41 ndushay too_much_xml-- 2011-02-09 16:43:42 robcaSSon atz: that's the one....tasty 2011-02-09 16:43:44 knickum @sing sebastien tellier 2011-02-09 16:43:45 zoia Amoureuse de Sébastien / (Bruit d'orgasme féminin) / Le soleil brille et brûle mon nom sur ta peau / Amoureuse du vent chaud 2011-02-09 16:43:47 erikhatcher "french french french Solr oui oiu oui" 2011-02-09 16:43:47 mjg_ Have we ever had any folks from Mexico at c4l? 2011-02-09 16:43:53 pjb1 @sing os mutantes 2011-02-09 16:43:54 zoia pjb1: Arrgh! Something went horribly wrong 2011-02-09 16:43:58 mjg_ e.g. that dude from Monterey 2011-02-09 16:43:58 scolford knickum++ 2011-02-09 16:44:00 ecorrado http://www.abes.fr/abes/documents/tef/recommandation/index.html 2011-02-09 16:44:00 ndushay erikhatcher++ 2011-02-09 16:44:09 scolford @love sebastien teller 2011-02-09 16:44:11 zoia scolford: The operation succeeded. scolford loves sebastien teller. 2011-02-09 16:44:21 ndushay what's great about irc is that I can basically talk to myself and pretend others are listening. 2011-02-09 16:44:25 eby mjg_: The most interesting man in the world should keynote 2011-02-09 16:44:32 mjg_ eby++ 2011-02-09 16:44:33 scolford s/teller/tellier oops 2011-02-09 16:44:41 ndushay legos++ 2011-02-09 16:44:43 pberry SUBMIT 2011-02-09 16:44:45 bthiell You guys seem to have very good tastes in French music. Congrats! 2011-02-09 16:44:46 knickum scolford++ 2011-02-09 16:44:55 ndushay @random 2011-02-09 16:44:55 zoia ndushay: Error: The command "random" is available in the LoveHate and Quote plugins. Please specify the plugin whose command you wish to call by using its name as a command before "random". 2011-02-09 16:44:56 mnotess @sing dunndotta 2011-02-09 16:45:00 zoia mnotess: No songs found by dunndotta 2011-02-09 16:45:02 mjg_ or barring him, royt, the closest we have 2011-02-09 16:45:07 ndushay @quote random 2011-02-09 16:45:08 zoia ndushay: Quote #1671: "*dbs weeps bitterly for his buttocks" (added by rsinger at 04:40 PM, January 21, 2009) 2011-02-09 16:45:13 mbklein online_checkin 2011-02-09 16:45:14 mbklein ++ 2011-02-09 16:45:21 bthiell AZERTY for the win! 2011-02-09 16:45:21 escowles mot_de_passe++ 2011-02-09 16:45:26 jrochkind hmm, i was wondering the other day what icon to use to mean 'login/login'. I guess the 'power on/off' button is one option. 2011-02-09 16:45:26 sesuncedu @sing Lady Marmalade 2011-02-09 16:45:28 zoia sesuncedu: No songs found by Lady Marmalade 2011-02-09 16:45:28 mjg_ keyboard hegemony strikes again. 2011-02-09 16:45:29 mtomko a power button? 2011-02-09 16:45:37 freqlurker @sing fear 2011-02-09 16:45:40 zoia there's a sinister feeling brewing bout a women and her non-stop yap in a couple weeks she'll be stewing bait the hook of a tender trap spend your money on countless reasons brick-a-brack that cannot be used snivel on the ground that she walks on give an inch and that women wants two the trouble today with women the mouth don't stop there's an older one yakity-yack husband's credit cards let her shop there's a (1 more message) 2011-02-09 16:45:41 ben_anderson qwerty-- 2011-02-09 16:45:41 mbklein gestion_des_fiches++ 2011-02-09 16:45:53 BigD atz: Yep! 2011-02-09 16:45:55 pberry dvorak-- 2011-02-09 16:45:55 mnotess esperanto might have helped us, had it taken off 2011-02-09 16:46:11 ejk You guys seeing a big "Your call time expired" window on the projector? 2011-02-09 16:46:18 mjg_ anarchivist: I can't get your rendition of the Doobie Bros. out of my head. 2011-02-09 16:46:23 davidWalker ejk: I thought I was the only one for a sec 2011-02-09 16:46:23 ecorrado wonders if the ABES people brought any wine 2011-02-09 16:46:28 mbklein @sing The Eagles : Desperanto 2011-02-09 16:46:31 zoia mbklein: No lyrics found for Desperanto by The Eagles 2011-02-09 16:46:34 davidWalker maybe it's only on the stream 2011-02-09 16:46:34 julia__ ejk: I'm seeing it on the stream. 2011-02-09 16:46:37 MrDys mjg_: The fancy beer store by me: hhttp://www.ratebeer.com/place/the-wine-source/4276/ let me know if anything strikes you 2011-02-09 16:46:40 ndushay GONG 2011-02-09 16:46:40 pjb1 mbklein++ 2011-02-09 16:46:42 edsu mbklein++ 2011-02-09 16:46:52 jaf http://www.werewolf-movies.com/movie.php?MovieID=180 - good french werewolk movie 2011-02-09 16:46:54 anarchivist helrond++ 2011-02-09 16:46:55 atz i'm about toast as far as attention goes 2011-02-09 16:46:56 ndushay and now for something completely different 2011-02-09 16:46:57 escowles ejk: not in person 2011-02-09 16:46:58 duspal lightning_talks++ 2011-02-09 16:47:02 bmljenny When I'm lonely, I drink a fancy beer. 2011-02-09 16:47:10 mbklein helrond++ 2011-02-09 16:47:11 ejk Okay, the stream is messed up 2011-02-09 16:47:15 bmljenny When I want you only I drink a fancy beer... 2011-02-09 16:47:16 mjg_ helrond++ 2011-02-09 16:47:16 edsu livestream dead 2011-02-09 16:47:17 cbeer ejk: sounds like the vision mixer is calling for help 2011-02-09 16:47:20 sesuncedu mnotess: over half of all esperanto speakers were killed in the first year of WWI 2011-02-09 16:47:21 ejk Stream just died 2011-02-09 16:47:22 julia__ ejk: You've got "Video Call" buttons now? 2011-02-09 16:47:24 davidWalker come back stream!!!!!!!!!!! 2011-02-09 16:47:29 mbklein Streeeeeeam! 2011-02-09 16:47:32 erikhatcher for cucumber heads.... we're gonna start tinkering with this: (screenshot generation): http://littlebitofcode.com/2009/12/30/headless-selenium-screenshots-with-cucumber 2011-02-09 16:47:34 bmljenny They know. They are on phones. 2011-02-09 16:47:34 highermath White Castle, 630 Birk Rd, Martinsville, IN (765) 349-9750 ‎ 2011-02-09 16:47:34 highermath 1 review - "I don't know how anyone can eat these burgers here. They taste so horrible." 2011-02-09 16:47:38 scolford oh noes! 2011-02-09 16:47:38 jaf yeah, the streaming guys are on the phone trying to fix the stream 2011-02-09 16:47:40 akorphan Well. I just read that examiner review of the keynote. 2011-02-09 16:47:40 freqlurker @sing fear : have a beer with fear 2011-02-09 16:47:41 akorphan Harrumph! 2011-02-09 16:47:41 zoia you say you feel close to death it seems like nothing is left you think the end is near that's why we're here have a beer with fear can't wait till friday night it's time to fuck or fight we'll get a gut full of suds we'll go hammer some cruds have a beer with fear cold ones on my mind oceans of buds" it's a crime so much beer so little time we get right friday night it's time to fuck or fight we'll get a gut full (1 more message) 2011-02-09 16:47:45 mjg_ highermath: SOLD 2011-02-09 16:47:49 highermath highermath can't wait 2011-02-09 16:47:49 edsu back 2011-02-09 16:47:50 anarchivist @sing fear : more beer 2011-02-09 16:47:51 ndushay highermath++ 2011-02-09 16:47:51 zoia More beer, more beer / All I want is more beer / More beer, more beer 2011-02-09 16:47:55 davidWalker horay!!!!!!!! 2011-02-09 16:47:57 ejk Oop, coming back! Yay! 2011-02-09 16:48:00 julia__ live_stream++ #back 2011-02-09 16:48:03 pberry Wow 2011-02-09 16:48:04 gregjansen akorphan: link? 2011-02-09 16:48:05 pberry Qick 2011-02-09 16:48:10 freqlurker anarchivist++ # jynx 2011-02-09 16:48:12 pmurray @translationparty [sing fear : more beer] 2011-02-09 16:48:16 ejk Thanks to whomever hit the redial button for the live stream 2011-02-09 16:48:20 anna3lc the site he is showing: http://dlibdev.nyu.edu/tamimentapa/?q=collections_list 2011-02-09 16:48:24 zoia Beer, beer / I / beer is not 2011-02-09 16:48:24 scolford akorphan: harumph indeed 2011-02-09 16:48:27 dchud i'm skipping white castle having done janko's little zagreb last night and saving room for shapiro's in indy tomorrow 2011-02-09 16:48:34 bthiell lbjay left me alone to go cuddle with his baby head. Any good plans for tonight? 2011-02-09 16:48:37 mbklein jaf: Meanwhile, the phone guys are in the stream trying to fix the phones 2011-02-09 16:48:37 edsu this livestream is setting the bar hella high 2011-02-09 16:48:38 akorphan http://www.examiner.com/metadata-in-national/review-of-diane-hillmann-s-keynote-at-code4lib-2011-review (repost from a bit ago) 2011-02-09 16:48:39 mjg_ MrDys: good lord. i'll have to do some srs internets research on those beers. 2011-02-09 16:48:45 yo_bj @sing drupal song 2011-02-09 16:48:47 zoia yo_bj: No songs found by drupal song 2011-02-09 16:48:51 ejk live_stream++ 2011-02-09 16:48:52 bmljenny FYI, the streaming box has a conference ribbon glued to it called "big cheese" 2011-02-09 16:48:53 dchud labor_activist_papers_at_code4lib++ 2011-02-09 16:49:00 mjg_ MrDys: "any of those" is my answer now. 2011-02-09 16:49:01 MrDys mjg_: what are you? a librarian or somethin? 2011-02-09 16:49:04 pjb1 @sing bottle rockets : indianapolis 2011-02-09 16:49:06 zoia pjb1: No lyrics found for indianapolis by bottle rockets 2011-02-09 16:49:09 pberry When i hear content types I get horrible sharepoint flashbacks 2011-02-09 16:49:16 dlovins This is turning into a really nice mashup: http://hubgit.github.com/2011/01/code4lib/ 2011-02-09 16:49:23 akorphan scolford: It's like he can't figure out that maybe the reason Dianne hates MARC is the same reason we end up talking about how to handle it so muhc. 2011-02-09 16:49:36 zoia Why would srmiles want to live on Endor, with a bunch of two-foot tall Ewoks? That does not make sense! 2011-02-09 16:49:38 freqlurker @sing beat happening : indian summer 2011-02-09 16:49:39 zoia Boy tastin wild cherry / Touch girl, apple blossom / Just a boy playin possum / We'll come back for Indian Summer 2011-02-09 16:49:46 pberry Split? 2011-02-09 16:49:49 erikhatcher hillel++ 2011-02-09 16:49:52 cbeer dlovins: s/Bloomington, IL/Bloomington, IN/ 2011-02-09 16:50:00 erikhatcher stream died :( 2011-02-09 16:50:08 anna3lc dlovins: that's cool who made it? 2011-02-09 16:50:10 dlovins cbeer: huh? 2011-02-09 16:50:12 erikhatcher it's back 2011-02-09 16:50:19 julia__ erickhatcher: Stream is good for me -- that one must have been just you? 2011-02-09 16:50:33 dchud anna3lc, dlovins: fresco made that, right? 2011-02-09 16:50:37 sesuncedu dchud: Labor archivist papers at SAA ? Different question. 2011-02-09 16:50:45 mbklein Stream came back on, kicked mbklein off. That's not a good trade. 2011-02-09 16:50:54 dlovins anna3lc: Not sure. Hoping someone would say 2011-02-09 16:51:05 edsu protovis would probably work better for that than manyeyes 2011-02-09 16:51:17 dlovins protovis++ 2011-02-09 16:51:21 scolford mbklein: you've been replaced by a live stream 2011-02-09 16:51:24 ndushay decasm: you might want to indicate on the wiki how many people the reservation accommodates 2011-02-09 16:51:40 dchud mbklein: please collect your things and exit the premises 2011-02-09 16:51:42 pberry Better than being replaced by a tiny shell script 2011-02-09 16:51:50 ejk @decide mbklein live_stream 2011-02-09 16:51:51 zoia ejk: go with mbklein live_stream 2011-02-09 16:51:51 robcaSSon dlovins, anna3lc: looks like fresco, aka Alf Eaton 2011-02-09 16:51:54 charper helrond++ 2011-02-09 16:51:57 ejk @decide mbklein or live_stream 2011-02-09 16:51:58 zoia ejk: go with mbklein 2011-02-09 16:51:58 anarchivist helrond++ 2011-02-09 16:52:03 anarchivist interns++ 2011-02-09 16:52:10 mjg_ eby++ 2011-02-09 16:52:10 ejk eby++ 2011-02-09 16:52:15 dlovins anna3lc++ 2011-02-09 16:52:17 akorphan akorphan has been replaced by an artificially intelligent blob of self-modifying code. 2011-02-09 16:52:20 ecorrado aadl++ 2011-02-09 16:52:28 edsu php++ 2011-02-09 16:52:29 davidWalker eby++ 2011-02-09 16:52:30 scolford aadl++ 2011-02-09 16:52:31 julia__ Is that a post-it note on his shirt? It really looks like a post-it note on the stream. 2011-02-09 16:52:34 mbklein eby++ 2011-02-09 16:52:35 ccurry php+- 2011-02-09 16:52:38 akorphan stuff++ 2011-02-09 16:52:40 edsu better than java at least :-) 2011-02-09 16:52:41 ejk julia__: checkout card 2011-02-09 16:52:44 robcaSSon eby++ 2011-02-09 16:52:46 BigD eby made a lot of those beer events happen 2011-02-09 16:52:47 erikhatcher php+- 2011-02-09 16:52:49 erikhatcher eby++ 2011-02-09 16:52:50 decasm_ ndushay: eek. on it. 2011-02-09 16:52:51 was simple_tools_on_github++ 2011-02-09 16:52:52 ccurry eby++ 2011-02-09 16:52:56 mjg_ eby++ # lulz 2011-02-09 16:52:56 akorphan julia__:Maybe it's the top of a robot. 2011-02-09 16:53:01 mjg_ "shove the shit in" 2011-02-09 16:53:01 edsu cursing++ 2011-02-09 16:53:03 BillDueber Language... 2011-02-09 16:53:09 robcaSSon @love cursing 2011-02-09 16:53:10 jaf wait, can this talk be broadcast? :-p 2011-02-09 16:53:11 timmcgeary edgy 2011-02-09 16:53:11 zoia robcaSSon: The operation succeeded. robcaSSon loves cursing. 2011-02-09 16:53:12 akorphan Code4Lib is a family-friendly conference. 2011-02-09 16:53:17 scolford minimal_things_in_the_ils++ 2011-02-09 16:53:17 MrDys MrDys snorts 2011-02-09 16:53:19 ndushay accent++ 2011-02-09 16:53:19 ranti [bleep] 2011-02-09 16:53:23 timmcgeary @ana shove the shit in 2011-02-09 16:53:24 zoia timmcgeary: Thievish, honest 2011-02-09 16:53:26 pberry profanity++ ? 2011-02-09 16:53:28 yo_bj I just lost my innocence with this talk 2011-02-09 16:53:31 MrDys @redact shove the shit in 2011-02-09 16:53:32 zoia MrDys: shove the shit in 2011-02-09 16:53:37 eefcee zoia++ 2011-02-09 16:53:40 anna3lc yes to using catalogers to chose new data sources 2011-02-09 16:53:40 decasm_ is tburton-west in channel? 2011-02-09 16:53:40 mjg_ so eby actually works? 2011-02-09 16:53:41 akorphan zoia++ 2011-02-09 16:53:46 edsu drupal7 2011-02-09 16:53:47 erikhatcher so he needs that Couch + Blacklight solution..... what's that called? 2011-02-09 16:53:47 awead zoia++ 2011-02-09 16:53:47 mjg_ I'm kind of blown away. 2011-02-09 16:53:48 erikhatcher  2011-02-09 16:53:49 edsu drupal7++ 2011-02-09 16:53:55 cbeer decasm_: tbw, no? 2011-02-09 16:53:59 ndushay decasm: tbw is here 2011-02-09 16:54:00 was eby++ 2011-02-09 16:54:04 dchud 'tis a word of curse! 2011-02-09 16:54:12 MrDys erikhatcher: it's called a gsf_ consulting project 2011-02-09 16:54:14 ndushay decasm: ask if they'll take 8? 2011-02-09 16:54:15 decasm_ tbw? = tburton west? 2011-02-09 16:54:37 mbklein @redact [last --from [someone]] 2011-02-09 16:54:37 zoia mbklein: Error: I couldn't find a message matching that criteria in my history of 1000 messages. 2011-02-09 16:54:39 ndushay also - put time and meeting place, while you are at it ... (i'm bossy) 2011-02-09 16:54:42 eefcee open_editing++ 2011-02-09 16:54:49 ndushay decasm: also - put time and meeting place, while you are at it ... (i'm bossy) 2011-02-09 16:54:58 scolford oh god our staff can't even link the right items to bibs 2011-02-09 16:55:02 mjg_ ceahtalog 2011-02-09 16:55:04 robcaSSon aadl++ 2011-02-09 16:55:06 pmurray mbklein: Damn lurkers.... 2011-02-09 16:55:07 mbklein @who said it was all [someone]'s fault 2011-02-09 16:55:07 zoia timmcgeary said it was all BillDueber 's fault. 2011-02-09 16:55:26 ejk FYI cover image editing is done through the OPAC with drupal 2011-02-09 16:55:30 ecorrado @duel aadl_cataloging rda 2011-02-09 16:55:30 zoia ecorrado: An error has occurred and has been logged. Please contact this bot's administrator for more information. 2011-02-09 16:55:34 ndushay which talk is this??? 2011-02-09 16:55:45 ndushay woofy++ 2011-02-09 16:55:47 MrDys yes. make a came out of it 2011-02-09 16:55:50 ecorrado @rate aadl_cataloging rda 2011-02-09 16:55:51 MrDys came? game 2011-02-09 16:55:51 mbklein whupf++ 2011-02-09 16:55:53 sesuncedu Frarmville 2011-02-09 16:55:54 zoia ecorrado: aadl cataloging: ?; rda: 9.7. rda rocks! 2011-02-09 16:55:58 davidWalker stuff++ 2011-02-09 16:56:03 erikhatcher ndushay: aren't you in the same room? 2011-02-09 16:56:05 MrDys farmville your metadata 2011-02-09 16:56:05 edsu ndushay: Does Anyone Else Hate This Shit :-) 2011-02-09 16:56:05 ecorrado zoia-- 2011-02-09 16:56:08 mbklein bess++ 2011-02-09 16:56:10 mbklein stanford++ 2011-02-09 16:56:12 timmcgeary bess++ 2011-02-09 16:56:12 anna3lc stuff++ 2011-02-09 16:56:15 ndushay thank you edsu 2011-02-09 16:56:16 edsu eby++ 2011-02-09 16:56:16 timmcgeary @karma bess 2011-02-09 16:56:17 zoia timmcgeary: Karma for "bess" has been increased 77 times and decreased 1 time for a total karma of 76. 2011-02-09 16:56:17 atz bess++ 2011-02-09 16:56:18 ejk eby++ 2011-02-09 16:56:20 pberry California represent 2011-02-09 16:56:23 scolford eby++ 2011-02-09 16:56:27 erikhatcher bess++ 2011-02-09 16:56:30 mbklein hydracamp++ 2011-02-09 16:56:31 jtgorman bess++ 2011-02-09 16:56:31 ccurry bess++ 2011-02-09 16:56:33 sesuncedu Was this talk tested 2011-02-09 16:56:35 jtgorman hydracamp++ 2011-02-09 16:56:47 edsu no, no, no, no 2011-02-09 16:56:50 ecorrado sesuncedu++ 2011-02-09 16:56:50 edsu :-) 2011-02-09 16:56:52 ndushay "yes, yes, yes, no" 2011-02-09 16:56:56 atz "California... knows how to paaarty..." 2011-02-09 16:56:58 sesuncedu Madd skillsetz 2011-02-09 16:57:01 alxp hydracamp was fun 2011-02-09 16:57:03 timmcgeary There's a roller coaster in PA called "Hydra's Revenge" 2011-02-09 16:57:19 flyingzumwalt http://wiki.code4lib.org/index.php/A_Guide_for_the_Perplexed 2011-02-09 16:57:20 ccurry CA+++ 2011-02-09 16:57:23 ndushay staying home and not going to hydracamp due to a back injury was not fun. 2011-02-09 16:57:24 KingNightWolf timmcgeary++ 2011-02-09 16:57:24 timmcgeary maybe that can be next location for Hydra camp 2011-02-09 16:57:38 jrochkind flyingzumwalt: no training to send them to? You should offer for fee training. 2011-02-09 16:57:50 edsu a real curriculum would be good, but a fedora curriculum, meh 2011-02-09 16:57:53 mtomko is nunchuck skills on the list? 2011-02-09 16:57:54 timmcgeary back_injury-- 2011-02-09 16:57:57 erikhatcher training curriculum ++ 2011-02-09 16:57:58 mjg_ crap, are skills required nowadays? 2011-02-09 16:58:06 mjg_ welp, I guess maybe I can see if WC is hiring. 2011-02-09 16:58:06 sesuncedu Digital curation curricula 2011-02-09 16:58:08 sesuncedu ... 2011-02-09 16:58:09 flyingzumwalt jrochkind: we are offering. at hydracamp 2011-02-09 16:58:15 jrochkind righto. 2011-02-09 16:58:18 mbklein huge_manatees++ 2011-02-09 16:58:20 jaron1 this_idea++ 2011-02-09 16:58:27 ejk hasta mañana, amigos 2011-02-09 16:58:28 pberry pberry raises hand -- that's me 2011-02-09 16:58:29 pmurray Humanities grad students -- poor suckers. 2011-02-09 16:58:31 sesuncedu mbklein: need habitats 2011-02-09 16:58:32 anna3lc @karma this 2011-02-09 16:58:33 zoia anna3lc: Karma for "this" has been increased 2 times and decreased 0 times for a total karma of 2. 2011-02-09 16:58:36 jtgorman huh, I hadn't realized that the curriculum had gotten that far... 2011-02-09 16:58:46 mbklein @karma that 2011-02-09 16:58:46 zoia mbklein: Karma for "that" has been increased 21 times and decreased 4 times for a total karma of 17. 2011-02-09 16:58:51 jrochkind jtgorman: you are just looking at the list of headings, they all have empty bodies. :) 2011-02-09 16:58:57 pmurray @fight this that 2011-02-09 16:58:58 zoia pmurray: this: 3080000000, that: 2440000000 2011-02-09 16:58:59 was Can these skills be pinned down before they need to change? 2011-02-09 16:59:02 jtgorman jrochkind: aaahhhhh 2011-02-09 16:59:03 sesuncedu http://ils.unc.edu/digccurr/ 2011-02-09 16:59:06 timmcgeary @ana guide for the perplexed 2011-02-09 16:59:06 zoia timmcgeary: Huge if deplored expert 2011-02-09 16:59:09 tokeee ".pdf is an unwanted file type" on the wiki. Oh well... SlideShare it is 2011-02-09 16:59:11 dlovins bess++ 2011-02-09 16:59:12 escowles @karma chameleon 2011-02-09 16:59:12 zoia escowles: Karma for "chameleon" has been increased 1 time and decreased 1 time for a total karma of 0. 2011-02-09 16:59:14 mbklein zoia++ 2011-02-09 16:59:21 scolford zoia++ 2011-02-09 16:59:24 jrochkind inappropriate? 2011-02-09 16:59:29 akorphan @karma dogma 2011-02-09 16:59:29 KingNightWolf this is a good idea 2011-02-09 16:59:29 zoia akorphan: Karma for "dogma" has been increased 0 times and decreased 1 time for a total karma of -1. 2011-02-09 16:59:31 edsu http://wiki.code4lib.org/index.php/A_Guide_for_the_Perplexed 2011-02-09 16:59:31 escowles it comes and goes, i guess 2011-02-09 16:59:33 pberry The royal we 2011-02-09 16:59:33 sesuncedu purple x (all through my brain) 2011-02-09 16:59:43 alxp I like the use of lightning talk as a call o action 2011-02-09 16:59:48 wickr tokeee: pdfs should be able to go on code4lib.org 2011-02-09 16:59:49 scolford escowles++ 2011-02-09 16:59:50 mjg_ @dunno add HELP I HAVE TO USE MARC WHAT IS THAT 2011-02-09 16:59:50 zoia mjg_: Error: You must be registered to use this command. If you are already registered, you must either identify (using the identify command) or add a hostmask matching your current hostmask (using the "hostmask add" command). 2011-02-09 16:59:50 mbklein escowles++ 2011-02-09 16:59:50 timmcgeary @ana What is MARC? 2011-02-09 16:59:51 zoia timmcgeary: Charm as wit 2011-02-09 16:59:53 akorphan call_to_action++ 2011-02-09 16:59:56 ndushay marc is a well-meaning, but ineffective guy. 2011-02-09 17:00:04 ranti centralized_guides++ 2011-02-09 17:00:16 pmurray Call to action: great way to end the lightning talks. 2011-02-09 17:00:19 timmcgeary weird_concepts++ 2011-02-09 17:00:21 julia__ MARC is neither charming nor witty. Zoia fails this time. 2011-02-09 17:00:22 freqlurker this would be really helpful 2011-02-09 17:00:24 tokeee wickr: Not on the lightning talk page they don't. At least not for me 2011-02-09 17:00:25 mjg_ BigD: file this page away for our ccamp pow-wow 2011-02-09 17:00:33 pberry Marc got promoted. Dilbert principle at work... 2011-02-09 17:00:36 sesuncedu What about the things I wish I didn't know 2011-02-09 17:00:37 jaf guide_for_perplexed++ 2011-02-09 17:00:37 wickr tokeee: on the wiki? or the code4lib.org main site? 2011-02-09 17:00:39 erikhatcher who the heck is this MARC guy? 2011-02-09 17:00:42 alxp bess++ 2011-02-09 17:00:44 BigD mjg_: Yessiree 2011-02-09 17:00:44 ndushay pberry++ 2011-02-09 17:00:45 MrDys enterprise-wide apprenticeships 2011-02-09 17:00:46 freqlurker we out 2011-02-09 17:00:51 harvel bess++ 2011-02-09 17:00:52 was howtos would be a great addition, too 2011-02-09 17:00:53 charper What a really good idea... 2011-02-09 17:00:53 eefcee bess++ 2011-02-09 17:00:55 sesuncedu enterprise scale curricula 2011-02-09 17:00:55 anna3lc everyone grab yr pitchforks! 2011-02-09 17:01:03 bmljenny Weeeeeee! 2011-02-09 17:01:06 robcaSSon lightning_talks++ 2011-02-09 17:01:06 was toy curriculum ok too 2011-02-09 17:01:07 jtgorman jrochkind: I meant more the hydracamp curriculum. 2011-02-09 17:01:08 tokeee wickr: http://wiki.code4lib.org/index.php?title=2011_Lightning_Talks_Signup 2011-02-09 17:01:11 BillDueber bess++ 2011-02-09 17:01:25 erikhatcher NewbCamp at c4l12 2011-02-09 17:01:26 scolford bess++ 2011-02-09 17:01:26 timmcgeary timmcgeary claps 2011-02-09 17:01:29 jtgorman jrochkind: I was at the bar when the idea came up 2011-02-09 17:01:30 davidWalker davidWalker claps 2011-02-09 17:01:31 mjg_ mcdonald1 is actually a kinda OK guy, maybe. 2011-02-09 17:01:31 bmljenny Bigcheese++ 2011-02-09 17:01:36 eefcee live_stream++ 2011-02-09 17:01:40 wickr tokeee: ok, yeah that's not really set up for hosting files, I'd just do slideshare for now 2011-02-09 17:01:44 eby robcaSSon: What time we meeting 2011-02-09 17:01:44 eefcee lightning_talks++ 2011-02-09 17:01:45 edsu bess++ 2011-02-09 17:01:49 BigD San diego thanks you 2011-02-09 17:01:49 eby Or mjg_ 2011-02-09 17:01:51 mnotess @karma marc 2011-02-09 17:01:51 zoia mnotess: Karma for "marc" has been increased 0 times and decreased 8 times for a total karma of -8. 2011-02-09 17:01:53 sesuncedu boo werewoofs 2011-02-09 17:01:53 wickr fwiw, the "official record" is supposed to be more code4lib.org pages 2011-02-09 17:02:00 robcaSSon eby: want to just meet with the rest of the jackasses in the lobby? 6:30? 2011-02-09 17:02:00 timmcgeary run, mcdonald, run 2011-02-09 17:02:04 sesuncedu @karma karma 2011-02-09 17:02:04 zoia sesuncedu: Highest karma: "mbklein" (457), "anarchivist" (407), and "edsu" (391). Lowest karma: "iii" (-131), "central_IT" (-31), and "solaris" (-17). You (sesuncedu) are ranked 14 out of 3437. 2011-02-09 17:02:06 mbklein BigD: San Diego is no longer "far" by code4libcon standards. 2011-02-09 17:02:07 pmurray marc-- 2011-02-09 17:02:10 davidWalker dang, now I have to go back to work 2011-02-09 17:02:12 tokeee wickr: Mads is on it, thanks 2011-02-09 17:02:16 was Poor marc 2011-02-09 17:02:19 mjg_ eby: I'm gathering with the white castle people, leaving lobby at 5:30 2011-02-09 17:02:21 mbklein davidWalker: DON'T DO IT. IT'S A TRAP. 2011-02-09 17:02:23 jaron is anyone going to snow lion? on the page but no one signed up 2011-02-09 17:02:30 mnotess marc-- mark++ 2011-02-09 17:02:35 pberry Only 3 hours until duke v unc... 2011-02-09 17:02:46 tokeee tokeee and Mads is going somewhere but don't know where yet 2011-02-09 17:02:56 eby mjg_: Going white castle? Or just there 2011-02-09 17:03:07 mjg_ eby: headed to WC, then maybe to Upland 2011-02-09 17:03:23 sesuncedu pberry: 9pm tip 2011-02-09 17:03:30 robcaSSon eby, wickr: want to go to WC? 2011-02-09 17:03:41 erikhatcher damn, you mean no more code4lib today? waaaa 2011-02-09 17:03:45 eby robcaSSon: Don't need to 2011-02-09 17:03:53 pberry sesuncedu: Aha. Well, the. Plenty of time to beer up 2011-02-09 17:04:03 eby robcaSSon: Want to head to upland early 2011-02-09 17:07:25 anarchivist @ana coeds and hoes 2011-02-09 17:07:26 zoia anarchivist: So dead chosen 2011-02-09 17:13:54 decasm_ anarchivist: ping 2011-02-09 17:14:01 anarchivist decasm_: pong 2011-02-09 17:14:57 decasm_ sorry. was typing and walking for a minute. 2011-02-09 17:15:05 anarchivist decasm_: what's up? 2011-02-09 17:15:06 decasm_ my suite key is dead. 2011-02-09 17:15:14 anarchivist decasm_: alright, i'll head back 2011-02-09 17:15:32 decasm_ no rush. i'm going to go down and see if they can reset it 2011-02-09 17:19:27 ecorrado ecorrado watching South Park before dinner 2011-02-09 17:21:20 scolford anyone going to irish lion planning on walking over together? 2011-02-09 17:22:59 pberry How far is it? 2011-02-09 17:23:34 scolford not very, i think 2011-02-09 17:23:53 pberry It's like, what...-30 outside? 2011-02-09 17:24:08 scolford 18 mins by google 2011-02-09 17:25:07 pberry Was thinking about upland 2011-02-09 17:25:20 pberry That's a cab ride for sure though 2011-02-09 17:36:20 pberry Anybody cabbing to upland? 2011-02-09 17:36:56 anarchivist pberry: i think we have two people who are willing to drive 2011-02-09 17:37:30 pberry anarchivist: Nice, would love to grab a slot 2011-02-09 17:37:54 anarchivist http://francisanderson.files.wordpress.com/2008/11/mavc-v-apple.jpg 2011-02-09 17:39:45 eby robcasson, wickr and i are probably going to try walking in about 5 minutes 2011-02-09 17:40:04 pberry For the record, I don't shop at foot locker 2011-02-09 17:40:53 dileshni anyone know how far of a walk Little Tibet is from the hotel? 2011-02-09 17:41:07 anarchivist dileshni: 10 minutes. 2011-02-09 17:41:12 anarchivist dileshni: it's pretty manageable. 2011-02-09 17:41:29 eby .6 miles according to google 2011-02-09 17:41:41 dileshni anarchivist: that's not bad. thanks 2011-02-09 17:42:07 dileshni although limping it might take about double the time 2011-02-09 17:42:47 pberry The hypothermia will slow you down as well 2011-02-09 17:43:07 dileshni pberry: yes, that too 2011-02-09 17:43:18 dileshni it's sooo cold outside, and i'm from canada! 2011-02-09 17:45:08 akorphan It's cold outside, there's no kind of atmosphere / I'm all alone, more or less 2011-02-09 17:46:02 pberry @sing joy division : atmosphere 2011-02-09 17:46:03 zoia Confronts and then dies. / Don't walk away. / People like you find it easy, / Naked to see, 2011-02-09 17:52:32 ndushay two slots open for dinner 2011-02-09 17:52:52 ndushay at Finch's see http://wiki.code4lib.org/index.php/C4L2011_social_activitie 2011-02-09 17:52:57 ndushay sign up 2011-02-09 17:53:01 ndushay meet in lobby at 7pm. 2011-02-09 17:53:25 tokeee tokeee thinks 2011-02-09 17:53:28 tokeee tokeee ponders 2011-02-09 17:54:04 tokeee Finch's = being with a fair amount of great people that I've already spend a fair amount of time with at this conference 2011-02-09 17:55:07 davidWalker pberry: you a college bball fan? Or just the spectacle of the unc-dook 2011-02-09 17:55:27 pberry Spectacle 2011-02-09 17:55:40 pberry I love a gathering 2011-02-09 17:55:55 ndushay tokeee: so I know you? 2011-02-09 17:56:31 tokeee ndushay: Nah, more Tom and Bill (I think? I alway mix up nicks'n'faces) 2011-02-09 17:56:42 ndushay Bill is bowing out. 2011-02-09 17:56:49 ndushay he has a conflict. 2011-02-09 17:57:40 tokeee ndushay: Actually my main reservation is that I afraid that Tom thinks I'm stalking him 2011-02-09 17:57:56 ndushay tokeee: come join us. 2011-02-09 17:58:19 ndushay tom is a big boy and he can sit far away from you. 2011-02-09 17:58:39 tokeee He's taller than me anyway. I'll come. 2011-02-09 17:59:13 tokeee I'll just cancel the Irish Lion thingie - I thought the crowd was getting too big anyway 2011-02-09 18:00:08 tokeee ndushay: I'll just tell my colleague Mads so that he does not panic of fear of being on his own (who am I kidding - I'm the one panicking) 2011-02-09 18:00:20 ndushay there are two spots. 2011-02-09 18:00:36 ndushay sign up for 'em on the wiki http://wiki.code4lib.org/index.php/C4L2011_social_activities 2011-02-09 18:00:54 tokeee 1 minute 2011-02-09 18:01:54 JodiS is there a slideshare event yet? 2011-02-09 18:02:41 anarchivist @translationparty Once Mafia reached the Far East, it found the perfect breeding ground in China's late-night clubs. Zachary Mexico, in his book China Underground, details how Mafia addicts now play all night, fuelled by Red Bull and cigarettes. These aren't amiable afterdinner diversions, but commercialised Mafia dens, with electronic scoreboards, pretty young hostesses and techno music blaring out to cover up any movements during the "n 2011-02-09 18:02:41 zoia anarchivist: Error: No closing quotation 2011-02-09 18:03:06 anarchivist @translationparty Once Mafia reached the Far East, it found the perfect breeding ground in China's late-night clubs. Zachary Mexico, in his book China Underground, details how Mafia addicts now play all night, fuelled by Red Bull and cigarettes. These aren't amiable afterdinner diversions, but commercialised Mafia dens, with electronic scoreboards, pretty young hostesses and techno music blaring out to cover up any movements during the "n 2011-02-09 18:03:06 zoia anarchivist: Error: No closing quotation 2011-02-09 18:03:23 tokeee ndushay: Mads nature matches mine. We're both coming. See you at 7 2011-02-09 18:03:24 anarchivist @translationparty Once Mafia reached the Far East, it found the perfect breeding ground in China's late-night clubs. Zachary Mexico, in his book China Underground, details how Mafia addicts now play all night, fuelled by Red Bull and cigarettes. These aren't amiable afterdinner diversions, but commercialised Mafia dens, with electronic scoreboards, pretty young hostesses and techno music blaring out to cover up any movements during the "n 2011-02-09 18:03:24 zoia anarchivist: Error: No closing quotation 2011-02-09 18:03:30 anarchivist zoia-- 2011-02-09 18:03:42 ndushay tokeee: yay! 2011-02-09 18:04:08 tokeee Expect bad jokes and equally bad diagrams scribbled on napkins 2011-02-09 18:04:19 cbeer @translationparty Once Mafia reached the Far East, it found the perfect breeding ground in China's late-night clubs. Zachary Mexico, in his book China Underground, details how Mafia addicts now play all night, fuelled by Red Bull and cigarettes. These aren't amiable afterdinner diversions, but commercialised Mafia dens, with electronic scoreboards, pretty young hostesses and techno music blaring out to cover up any movements 2011-02-09 18:04:51 tokeee tokeee really need a nick2photo-service 2011-02-09 18:05:13 zoia cbeer: You have reached the perfect breeding ground for China's nightclubs are found in the Far East, it is mafia. Zakarimekishiko underground mafia books are addictive Tyuugoku Please enter the details of how to play a night fueled by Red Bull and cigarettes. Dejitarusainejitekuno mob dinner, music, pretty young hostess, peaceful transition are covered in one of the complaints of the ring to move these Music Therapy 2011-02-09 18:06:23 pberry tokeee: Yes! 2011-02-09 18:08:09 JodiS JodiS makes a code4lib2011 slideshare event 2011-02-09 18:11:32 pberry BigD finally made it http://twitpic.com/3y44bi 2011-02-09 18:15:04 zoia dfunk forgot to give mbklein the message 2011-02-09 18:16:16 decasm_ @/names 2011-02-09 18:16:18 zoia decasm_: try feathers next time 2011-02-09 18:16:42 JodiS Slideshare event: http://www.slideshare.net/event/code4lib2011 2011-02-09 18:23:59 pberry Off to hsuite 2011-02-09 18:24:17 edsu hsuite++ 2011-02-09 18:35:03 MrDys @quote random 2011-02-09 18:35:04 zoia MrDys: Quote #775: "<Open-ILS> Most libraries have stopped chaining their books to their stacks, and similarly, open source software gives you freedoms you won't find with proprietary software." (added by mjgiarlo at 04:44 PM, March 14, 2007) 2011-02-09 21:03:42 akorphan Has anyone been talking about the idea of a centralized Code4Lib code repository? 2011-02-09 21:07:49 jaron akorphan: not that I've heard of. I think you'd probably want something more like a github organization and not really a code repository. 2011-02-09 21:08:13 akorphan Well, when I say "repository" I don't mean it in the big-R Repository sense 2011-02-09 21:08:31 akorphan Just a place where like-minded coders can share and provide access to their code, maybe with some project categories and the like 2011-02-09 21:08:32 edsu we did talk about doing something like that for svn a few years ago 2011-02-09 21:08:52 edsu but never really executed on it 2011-02-09 21:09:02 jaron setting up a github organization would be easy 2011-02-09 21:09:43 jaron akorphan: but if it needs to extend beyond github, then wasn't lyrasis talking about some sort of registry? 2011-02-09 21:09:50 edsu yeah, i'm surprised nobody has done it yet 2011-02-09 21:09:56 akorphan I thought I heard someone mentioned something like that 2011-02-09 21:09:59 akorphan Anyway, I have the perfect name 2011-02-09 21:10:03 akorphan "Lib4Code" 2011-02-09 21:10:09 edsu there are a few project specific organizations, like ruby-marc, and whatnot 2011-02-09 21:10:10 akorphan or maybe not 2011-02-09 21:10:14 jaron akorphan: folks still have their code all over the place 2011-02-09 21:10:26 jaron blacklight has an organization 2011-02-09 21:10:33 edsu yeah, blacklight too 2011-02-09 21:10:47 edsu i think those sorts of orgs make more sense that code4lib for some reason 2011-02-09 21:10:57 akorphan But if someone says, "I need an open-source ILS. Say, what are my choices?" It would be great if there was a place they could just go and look. 2011-02-09 21:10:58 edsu code4lib seems to abstract somehow 2011-02-09 21:11:02 jaron code4lib is a pretty big umbrella for lots of folks to have commit rights 2011-02-09 21:11:27 jaron usually there's some sort of process to get commit rights in a community 2011-02-09 21:11:35 edsu yeah, i'm not sure it's a great idea to spread commit rights that wide 2011-02-09 21:11:56 edsu especially when forking and merging are cheap already 2011-02-09 21:12:07 jaron now it would be nice to know at least where the code for c4l stuff like the dieboldatron are 2011-02-09 21:12:27 jaron right. forking is so easy these days 2011-02-09 21:13:13 jaron keeping up with it all the projects out there and finding out about new ones can be a challenge but hopefully that's the sort of thing lyrasis folks were talking about 2011-02-09 21:13:25 jaron freshmeat for library open source 2011-02-09 21:13:55 edsu yeah, that's how oss4lib started kinda 2011-02-09 21:14:57 jaron either takes everyone contributing to something like oss4lib or someone doing the work of looking out for it all 2011-02-09 21:16:05 edsu yeah 2011-02-09 21:16:20 edsu it would be easier on github 2011-02-09 21:18:22 edsu i tend to google for stuff that i need instead of going to a directory 2011-02-09 21:18:55 edsu but, it would be good for the code4lib community to be able to point at a set of projects or whatnot and say that they helped foster them somehow 2011-02-09 21:18:56 jaron google and if I can't find, then I ask. most of the time there's nothing library specific about what I need 2011-02-09 21:19:08 edsu yeah, same here 2011-02-09 21:19:18 edsu it's a good sign that you are doing things right :-) 2011-02-09 21:20:11 jaron heh, yeah 2011-02-09 21:39:43 alxp @karma this_idea 2011-02-09 21:39:43 zoia alxp: Karma for "this_idea" has been increased 1 time and decreased 0 times for a total karma of 1. 2011-02-09 21:39:51 alxp @karma alxp 2011-02-09 21:39:51 zoia alxp: Karma for "alxp" has been increased 13 times and decreased 0 times for a total karma of 13. 2011-02-09 21:39:59 alxp @karma islandora 2011-02-09 21:39:59 zoia alxp: Karma for "islandora" has been increased 1 time and decreased 0 times for a total karma of 1. 2011-02-09 21:53:56 akorphan @karma FluMike 2011-02-09 21:53:57 zoia akorphan: Karma for "FluMike" has been increased 3 times and decreased 0 times for a total karma of 3. 2011-02-09 22:04:14 akorphan @rate catalog catalogue 2011-02-09 22:04:18 zoia akorphan: catalog: 9.5; catalogue: 9.8. catalogue rocks! 2011-02-09 22:04:26 akorphan @fight catalog catalogue 2011-02-09 22:04:27 zoia akorphan: catalog: 75900000, catalogue: 30500000 2011-02-09 22:04:33 akorphan hmmm.... 2011-02-09 22:33:11 AndIrc_ werewolf at room 115 2011-02-09 22:33:19 AndIrc_ like now 2011-02-09 22:33:26 AndIrc_ so hurry 2011-02-09 22:54:30 anarchivist werewolf++ 2011-02-09 22:55:18 wtd Did you have a big game? 2011-02-09 23:02:22 anarchivist wtd: we're still playing 2011-02-09 23:06:29 anarchivist wtd: http://www.ustream.tv/channel/c4l11werewolf 2011-02-09 23:07:24 wtd Crazy! 2011-02-09 23:08:02 wtd This is a riot. 2011-02-09 23:45:57 MrDys @quote random 2011-02-09 23:45:58 zoia MrDys: Quote #293: "<edsu> i am primarily an optimist unless i've had too much coffee" (added by ksclarke at 12:23 PM, May 08, 2006) 2011-02-09 23:49:08 MrDys @quote random 2011-02-09 23:49:08 zoia MrDys: Quote #1907: "<jrochkind> YSlow probably wouldn't like that if it were smart enough to notice." (added by jeff at 03:22 PM, June 11, 2009) 2011-02-09 23:55:25 MrDys @quote random 2011-02-09 23:55:25 zoia MrDys: Quote #42: "< asl2> Serendipity-Assisted Remote Collaboration And Scholarship Meta-environment" (added by edsu at 01:34 PM, November 10, 2005) 2011-02-10 00:28:36 MrDys @quote random 2011-02-10 00:28:36 zoia zoia MrDys: Quote #2043: "<lbjay> i am aware" (added by eby at 05:31 PM, October 19, 2009) 2011-02-10 01:21:43 chickmarkley @quote predicable 2011-02-10 01:21:43 zoia chickmarkley: you ask me, I ask google 2011-02-10 02:30:01 MrDys @quote random 2011-02-10 02:30:01 zoia MrDys: Quote #1339: "<rsinger> you need to find zen, man" (added by jbrinley at 05:01 PM, April 18, 2008) 2011-02-10 07:16:17 zoia i could have sworn i sniffed the bradl before i put it in there 2011-02-10 08:02:48 chickmarkley @karma 2011-02-10 08:02:48 zoia chickmarkley: Highest karma: "mbklein" (457), "anarchivist" (407), and "edsu" (391). Lowest karma: "iii" (-131), "central_IT" (-31), and "solaris" (-17). You (chickmarkley) are ranked 483 out of 3439. 2011-02-10 08:12:14 gmcharlt @quote random 2011-02-10 08:12:14 zoia gmcharlt: Quote #297: "<edsu> if the profession is to survive it needs to go through a metamorphosis of kafkaesque proportions" (added by ksclarke at 05:19 PM, May 08, 2006) 2011-02-10 08:16:57 edsu rsinger: you have the new mogwai i take it? 2011-02-10 08:18:48 edsu rsinger: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hardcore_Will_Never_Die,_But_You_Will ? 2011-02-10 08:23:21 MrDys love that title 2011-02-10 08:25:06 edsu MrDys: yeah, you interested in hearing it? 2011-02-10 08:25:32 MrDys edsu: indeed, sounds like good waitin' on a plane music 2011-02-10 08:28:12 rsinger edsu: i do not 2011-02-10 08:35:27 akorphan HELLLOOOOO BLOOOMINGTON! ARE YOU READY TO RAWK?! 2011-02-10 08:36:04 MrDys akorphan: http://hungoverowls.tumblr.com/post/3106663511/i-will-get-up-off-this-floor-when-im-good-and 2011-02-10 08:36:15 anarchivist1 @hussein poopml 2011-02-10 08:36:16 zoia anarchivist1: Homo pulpiness 2011-02-10 08:36:20 eby mjgiarlo: there? 2011-02-10 08:36:21 anarchivist1 zoia-- 2011-02-10 08:36:31 akorphan Well. That answers that question. 2011-02-10 08:36:57 edsu MrDys, rsinger, anyone else: http://inkdroid.org/tmp/mogwai.tar.gz 2011-02-10 08:39:38 ejk @quote random 2011-02-10 08:39:38 zoia ejk: Quote #2300: "< mjg_> i can has curation microburgersz?" (added by anarchivist at 05:44 PM, May 20, 2010) 2011-02-10 08:41:24 edsu rsinger, MrDys let me know when you've got it, so I don't leave it hanging out there :-) 2011-02-10 08:45:54 anarchivist if you'll be around after the conference ends today, sign up here: http://wiki.code4lib.org/index.php/C4L2011_social_activities#Thursday_.28and_beyond.29 2011-02-10 08:48:14 eby FYI you can get out of the lot until 5 pm with room key 2011-02-10 08:49:29 akorphan I called the shuttle company and warned them of the impending librarian-airport-shuttle-pocalypse at noon, but I don't know if they took me seriously. They just asked me, "Did they make reservations?" 2011-02-10 08:51:31 pberry @weather 47408 2011-02-10 08:51:32 zoia pberry: Forecast for Bloomington, IN: Today: Sunny. Highs around 20. West winds around 5 mph shifting to the southwest in the afternoon. Lowest wind chill readings 6 below to 4 above zero until midday. Tonight: Clear then becoming partly cloudy. Lows around 10. Southwest winds 5 to 10 mph. Wind chill readings 4 below to 6 above zero. Friday: Not as cold. Partly cloudy. Highs in the lower 30s. Southwest winds 5 to 15 mph. (1 more message) 2011-02-10 08:51:41 eby mjgiarlo: You know if my coat is still in hosp or if someone grabbed it 2011-02-10 08:52:35 ejk @weather 48104 2011-02-10 08:52:41 zoia ejk: Forecast for Ann Arbor, MI: Early This Morning: Mostly clear. Temperatures falling to -4...with wind chills 10 to 20 below. Light and variable winds. Today: Mostly sunny. Highs 13 to 17...with wind chills around 5 below. Southwest winds 5 to 15 mph. Tonight: Mostly clear during the evening. Partly cloudy overnight. Lows 3 below to 3 above...with wind chills around 10 below. Southwest winds 5 to 10 mph. Friday: Partly (1 more message) 2011-02-10 08:53:30 MrDys edsu: vielen dank 2011-02-10 08:53:31 freqlurker @weather 94949 2011-02-10 08:53:33 zoia freqlurker: Forecast for Novato, CA: Today: Sunny. Highs in the 60s to lower 70s. Northwest winds 5 to 10 mph...becoming south in the afternoon. Tonight: Mostly clear. Lows in the mid 30s to lower 40s. North winds 5 to 10 mph. Friday: Sunny. Highs in the lower 60s to mid 70s. Southeast winds 5 to 10 mph. Friday Night: Mostly clear. Lows in the upper 30s to mid 40s. Light winds. Saturday: Sunny. Highs in the lower 60s to mid (1 more message) 2011-02-10 08:54:15 pberry @weather 95929 2011-02-10 08:54:16 zoia pberry: Forecast for Chico, CA: Today: Patchy frost in the morning. Sunny. Highs 60 to 68. Northwest winds up to 10 mph. Tonight: Clear. Lows 31 to 39. Light winds. Friday: Patchy frost in the morning. Mostly sunny. Highs 63 to 69. Light winds. Friday Night: Mostly clear. Lows 36 to 44. Light winds. Saturday: Mostly sunny. Highs 62 to 68. Light winds becoming south around 10 mph in the afternoon. 2011-02-10 08:54:30 pberry Great. Fog. 2011-02-10 08:55:07 akorphan @weather 27514 2011-02-10 08:55:08 zoia akorphan: Forecast for Chapel Hill, NC: Today: Snow likely early...then mostly cloudy with a slight chance of snow this morning. Mostly sunny this afternoon. Little or no snow accumulation. Highs in the lower 40s. North winds around 5 mph...increasing to 10 to 15 mph. Chance of snow 60 percent. Tonight: Clear. Cold with lows around 20. Light and variable winds. Friday: Sunny. Highs around 50. Light and variable winds... (1 more message) 2011-02-10 08:55:22 MrDys @forecast 46241 2011-02-10 08:55:23 zoia MrDys: 0°?! ITS FUCKING COLD 2011-02-10 08:56:35 harvel @quote random 2011-02-10 08:56:35 zoia harvel: Quote #816: "<mjgiarlo> I guess drink OR cuss would be fine. teetotalers are welcome as long as they have bad attitudes." (added by ksclarke at 01:47 PM, April 06, 2007) 2011-02-10 08:58:53 MrDys @forecast 21218 2011-02-10 08:58:53 zoia MrDys: 23°?! ITS FUCKING COLD 2011-02-10 09:00:00 anarchivist @quote random 2011-02-10 09:00:00 zoia anarchivist: Quote #1268: "< jaron> c4l does seem to be a growing group of experts of supybot plugins" (added by edsu at 03:00 PM, March 20, 2008) 2011-02-10 09:00:33 lbjay live_stream++ # w00p 2011-02-10 09:00:44 pberry Farm-raised supybot plugins? 2011-02-10 09:01:13 davidWalker BillDueber: what software did you use to track your Merlyn stats? 2011-02-10 09:01:38 ejk live_stream++ 2011-02-10 09:01:56 davidWalker listening_in_on_live_stream++ 2011-02-10 09:02:05 BillDueber davidWalker: Home-grown, six-column database. AJAX fire-and-forget when someone clicks on a link. 2011-02-10 09:02:15 lbjay so glad i changed my flight. i'd be sitting on an airplane instead of catching the last day. 2011-02-10 09:02:32 davidWalker lbjay++ 2011-02-10 09:02:59 robcaSSon sounds like that live stream has been awesome 2011-02-10 09:03:01 davidWalker BillDueber: did you look at alternatives and decide they didn't do what you wanted? 2011-02-10 09:03:14 davidWalker robcaSSon: it's been very awesome 2011-02-10 09:03:22 jtgorman jtgorman was wondering why the channel was so quiet, then realized he had the wrong channel up... 2011-02-10 09:03:28 lbjay twss 2011-02-10 09:03:31 BillDueber davidWalker: No, I just wasn't sure what I was gonna wanna do, so I built it up slowly. 2011-02-10 09:03:43 lbjay lbjay is listening to tech difficulties 2011-02-10 09:03:46 BillDueber davidWalker: I like being able to log exactly what I want to log :-) 2011-02-10 09:03:52 BillDueber davidWalker: http://robotlibrarian.billdueber.com/dead-easy-but-extreme-ajax-logging-in-our-vufind-install/ 2011-02-10 09:03:53 davidWalker BillDueber: totally 2011-02-10 09:03:56 robcaSSon davidWalker: as long as it doesn't cut into my ability to leave work and come to the conf, i'm cool with it ;) 2011-02-10 09:04:20 gsf lbjay: you home already? 2011-02-10 09:04:31 lbjay gsf: at the office 2011-02-10 09:04:42 davidWalker robcaSSon: I would have preferred being there in person. But this is a good second. 2011-02-10 09:04:59 pberry On 3 everybody yell "HI DAVE" 2011-02-10 09:05:01 gsf lbjay: you sneaky devil you 2011-02-10 09:05:26 jrochkind jaf: pretty please the email addresses? All I need is the email addresses, they aren't discoverable by me on the public web. 2011-02-10 09:05:42 jaf jrochkind: I will look for them now 2011-02-10 09:05:46 pberry BillDueber: Love the idea of a common stat format 2011-02-10 09:05:49 jrochkind jaf: thank you! 2011-02-10 09:05:54 davidWalker BillDueber++ 2011-02-10 09:05:56 lbjay @later tell mjgiarlo suburbs_of_the_chin++ 2011-02-10 09:05:56 zoia lbjay: The operation succeeded. 2011-02-10 09:06:05 anna3lc_ BillDueber: nice rss icon! 2011-02-10 09:06:30 davidWalker BillDueber: I liked your old blog design better 2011-02-10 09:06:32 davidWalker sorry 2011-02-10 09:07:13 edsu BillDueber++ # i like it too 2011-02-10 09:07:13 pmurray Hmmm -- do I dare try to update my wordpress install while trying to listen to code4lib talks? 2011-02-10 09:07:18 lbjay BillDueber: is there overlap between your stats idea and SUSHI? 2011-02-10 09:07:23 edsu the common stat format idea 2011-02-10 09:07:34 akorphan In my world, everything overlaps with sushi. 2011-02-10 09:07:50 jrochkind anyone know, what's the best way to send a large file to a stranger over the internet? 2011-02-10 09:08:00 akorphan jrochkind: how large? 2011-02-10 09:08:04 MrDys @sing stranger danger 2011-02-10 09:08:04 BillDueber lbjay: I was working in a total knowledge vacuum. I should go back and make better decisions 2011-02-10 09:08:05 zoia MrDys: No songs found by stranger danger 2011-02-10 09:08:08 jrochkind akorphan: like, a couple music albums 2011-02-10 09:08:30 lbjay BillDueber: i know very little about sushi/counter 2011-02-10 09:08:31 jrochkind woah, the slides are making me dizzy 2011-02-10 09:08:32 akorphan jrochkind: Gdocs now allows arbitrary filetype uploads up to [mumble mumble size] 2011-02-10 09:08:35 gsf prezi-- 2011-02-10 09:08:40 akorphan jrochkind: Also, there's dropbox 2011-02-10 09:08:49 jtgorman this is awesome, but just a touch too fast 2011-02-10 09:08:49 jrochkind akorphan: cool thanks 2011-02-10 09:09:05 lbjay how was breakfast? 2011-02-10 09:09:16 anna3lc everybody++ 2011-02-10 09:09:19 BillDueber BillDueber will make a post to c4l list about a common stats format in the next couple weeks. 2011-02-10 09:09:23 jtgorman I'd love to know how this was made 2011-02-10 09:09:49 MrDys wiki page it, folks 2011-02-10 09:09:51 BillDueber jtgorman: Presi, no? 2011-02-10 09:09:57 anarchivist @ana presi 2011-02-10 09:09:57 zoia anarchivist: Error: I tried to send you an empty message. 2011-02-10 09:09:59 robcaSSon presi-- 2011-02-10 09:10:00 jrochkind mbklein seems to be on every committee 2011-02-10 09:10:03 pberry I submit this photo for my nick2face entry http://www.flickr.com/photos/sjungling/494265735/ 2011-02-10 09:10:05 jtgorman BillDueber: could be 2011-02-10 09:10:07 akorphan presi-- 2011-02-10 09:10:16 anarchivist pberry++ 2011-02-10 09:10:18 jtgorman what, people don't like this? 2011-02-10 09:10:27 jtgorman jtgorman has no artistic sense apparently 2011-02-10 09:10:30 BillDueber royt++ 2011-02-10 09:10:35 BigD i'm getting seasick 2011-02-10 09:10:42 BillDueber "We pass the savings along to *you*!" 2011-02-10 09:10:43 mtomko dieboldatron? 2011-02-10 09:10:44 akorphan jtgorman: It was kind of neat the very first time, except for the vertigo-inducing choppiness. But the slides are not very practical or shareable 2011-02-10 09:10:45 jrochkind BigD: are your pictures from tuesday night up? 2011-02-10 09:10:55 robcaSSon jtgorman: i've just had to deal with other folks' use of presi at work....it's annoying 2011-02-10 09:11:00 pberry dropbox++ 2011-02-10 09:11:03 anna3lc boxlunchsnack! that is nice 2011-02-10 09:11:04 eby BigD: you know if my coat is in the hosp suite still or someone grab it. flannel 2011-02-10 09:11:04 akorphan jtgorman: shareable in the "useful for extracting slides from" sense 2011-02-10 09:11:05 jtgorman akorphan: that's true...but if they share the source it might be possible to slow it down.... 2011-02-10 09:11:08 robcaSSon mtomko: voting machine 2011-02-10 09:11:20 mtomko oh, was that how we voted on talks? 2011-02-10 09:11:35 robcaSSon mtomko: you didn't really vote...it's all rigged 2011-02-10 09:11:38 pberry Prezi seems to be all the rage 2011-02-10 09:11:49 mtomko haha, well, I left a few hanging chads. 2011-02-10 09:11:51 BigD eby: i don't know... left about 11 2011-02-10 09:11:57 akorphan joyce++ 2011-02-10 09:12:00 anna3lc ladies++ 2011-02-10 09:12:11 eby BigD: thanks 2011-02-10 09:12:14 BigD jrochkind: not yet - didn't take that many - too busy serving beer! ;) 2011-02-10 09:12:29 BigD eby: i think mjgiarlo went back later than me 2011-02-10 09:12:40 pberry hanging_chads-- 2011-02-10 09:12:43 davidWalker well_structured_presentations++ 2011-02-10 09:12:53 anna3lc also, problem statement! that was appreciated 2011-02-10 09:12:56 helrond eby: there was someone's stuff there, but we didn't know whose it was... 2011-02-10 09:13:07 harvel joyce++ 2011-02-10 09:13:07 akorphan problem_statement++ 2011-02-10 09:13:14 BigD Tiny pancakes. #c4l11 http://twitpic.com/3yash4 2011-02-10 09:13:29 robcaSSon @who doesn't work at NCSU or Stanford 2011-02-10 09:13:29 zoia rjhoyle doesn't work at NCSU or Stanford. 2011-02-10 09:13:36 BigD Red velvet chocolate chip carnage #c4l11 http://twitpic.com/3yass7 2011-02-10 09:13:41 jtgorman is the hospitality suite still open today? I have a bottle opener to pick up.... 2011-02-10 09:13:51 pberry This is great because i have to go home and work on this very problem 2011-02-10 09:13:57 gsf hand-drawn_slides++ 2011-02-10 09:14:01 akorphan This is the best information flow diagram ever. 2011-02-10 09:14:02 anna3lc drawings++ 2011-02-10 09:14:10 decasm_ jtgorman: yeah. we can get you in 2011-02-10 09:14:21 eby cool, i need to get in there too 2011-02-10 09:14:29 gsf whatsthisdata.xls++ 2011-02-10 09:14:32 escowles current_practice-- 2011-02-10 09:14:37 lbjay does the live stream not show the presentation screen? 2011-02-10 09:14:48 eby lbjay: usually was switching back and forth 2011-02-10 09:14:51 ecorrado currentpractice-- 2011-02-10 09:14:54 robcaSSon decasm++ # i may have left some stuff in there too 2011-02-10 09:14:55 jtgorman decasm: thanks. It's not a huge deal, but it would be nice ;) 2011-02-10 09:14:58 lbjay i'm only getting speaker 2011-02-10 09:14:58 ecorrado currentpracticeslide++ 2011-02-10 09:15:01 lbjay there we go 2011-02-10 09:15:04 ejk lbjay: yes, switches 2011-02-10 09:15:08 anarchivist mjgiarlo: ping 2011-02-10 09:15:09 pberry Tenure track... 2011-02-10 09:15:10 MrDys good questions to answer 2011-02-10 09:15:11 ejk ejk is too slow 2011-02-10 09:15:15 eby everyone_leaving_shit+- 2011-02-10 09:15:39 pberry Gaming?! 2011-02-10 09:15:39 anna3lc useful data 2011-02-10 09:15:43 pberry Win 2011-02-10 09:15:43 harvel gaming++ 2011-02-10 09:15:49 demiankatz gaming++ 2011-02-10 09:15:52 akorphan pberry: Wii, xbox360, PS3 2011-02-10 09:16:00 akorphan pberry: also, the Surface is used as a $10,000 checker board 2011-02-10 09:16:08 pberry Sweet 2011-02-10 09:16:15 akorphan akorphan: That's an exaggeration, but it does get a lot of gaming usage. 2011-02-10 09:16:18 lbjay akorphan: haha, same story w/ the surface here 2011-02-10 09:16:20 akorphan err. 2011-02-10 09:16:20 pberry Anything worth doing is worth overdoing 2011-02-10 09:16:25 robcaSSon surfaces-- # my dean bought one too....it's gonna be a checkerboard 2011-02-10 09:16:33 was This is a brilliant problem summary - wish my capital projects folks were here 2011-02-10 09:16:35 ecorrado ecorrado sees his coffee cup left on edge of stage and cries 2011-02-10 09:16:46 decasm_ jtgorman eby ALL h-suite will be open at the break 2011-02-10 09:16:56 jtgorman decasm++ 2011-02-10 09:16:58 robcaSSon decasm++ 2011-02-10 09:16:59 eby decasm++ 2011-02-10 09:17:09 anna3lc BigD++ # tiny pancakes 2011-02-10 09:17:09 lbjay i think ours was at least gifted by MS. 2011-02-10 09:17:21 BigD we need to finish the hsuite beer! 2011-02-10 09:17:22 BigD ;) 2011-02-10 09:17:23 ranti presentation_on_assessments++ 2011-02-10 09:17:27 MrDys this talk should have been paired with the upenn talk 2011-02-10 09:17:32 jtgorman jtgorman is kind of surprised MS hasn't gifted us one yet 2011-02-10 09:17:32 akorphan assessment++ 2011-02-10 09:17:35 pberry evidence-based?! Shocking 2011-02-10 09:17:40 lbjay BigD: ship it to me 2011-02-10 09:17:46 akorphan joyce++ 2011-02-10 09:17:50 escowles i don't know what the solution is, but i want it already 2011-02-10 09:17:57 anna3lc i thought that said radioactive 2011-02-10 09:18:04 ecorrado escowles++ 2011-02-10 09:18:18 ecorrado evidence-- 2011-02-10 09:18:19 BigD ipads for everyone! 2011-02-10 09:18:31 harvel @quote add "<escowles> i don't know what the solution is, but i want it already" 2011-02-10 09:18:32 zoia harvel: Error: You must be registered to use this command. If you are already registered, you must either identify (using the identify command) or add a hostmask matching your current hostmask (using the "hostmask add" command). 2011-02-10 09:18:33 akorphan My arm gets tired just thinking about it. 2011-02-10 09:18:37 MrDys darkchive! 2011-02-10 09:18:38 pberry iPad++ 2011-02-10 09:18:38 decasm_ does oprah love ipads? 2011-02-10 09:18:39 BigD look under your seats!!!! 2011-02-10 09:18:41 lbjay darkarchive! 2011-02-10 09:18:48 pyott i want the luxury to spend developement cycles on such niche tools 2011-02-10 09:18:53 helrond does anyone else think this is just a way to justify ipad purchases? 2011-02-10 09:18:54 lbjay @dunno search dark archive 2011-02-10 09:18:54 robcaSSon @damlev Oprah BigD 2011-02-10 09:18:56 zoia lbjay: No matching dunnos were found. 2011-02-10 09:18:56 escowles BigD++ 2011-02-10 09:18:57 zoia robcaSSon: The Damerau-Levenshtein distance between "Oprah" and "BigD" is 5. 2011-02-10 09:19:00 decasm_ wait ... BigD is oprah? 2011-02-10 09:19:02 pberry BigD: Used gum. Gross 2011-02-10 09:19:04 lbjay @quote search dark archive 2011-02-10 09:19:08 zoia lbjay: 3 found: #1197: "< anarchivist> i work in a dark archive", #1199: "< lbjay> Zotero: Raider of the Dark Archives", and #1342: "< lbjay> Dark Archives II: I _Still_ Don't Know..." 2011-02-10 09:19:09 BigD pberry: heh 2011-02-10 09:19:10 MrDys pyott: it's not really a niche tool...data warehousing and BI tools are out there and lots of people use them 2011-02-10 09:19:17 akorphan helrond: there are a couple of departmental iPads floating around already; I think we just use one of those. 2011-02-10 09:19:20 lbjay @quote get 1342 2011-02-10 09:19:20 zoia lbjay: Quote #1342: "< lbjay> Dark Archives II: I _Still_ Don't Know What You Did 1000 Years Ago was better" (added by anarchivist at 12:29 PM, April 22, 2008) 2011-02-10 09:19:21 freqlurker I need this tool right now 2011-02-10 09:19:22 MrDys (not in libraries, necessarily) 2011-02-10 09:19:38 eby eby is guessing the next step is tranquilizing patrons and rfid tagging them 2011-02-10 09:19:41 ecorrado pyott: yea, it would be nice to be able to do this. I hope what they do is reusable elsewhere so i can just take it 2011-02-10 09:19:44 helrond akorphan: jealous... 2011-02-10 09:19:52 tedde the Oprah ipad dance was hilarious 2011-02-10 09:19:53 akorphan eby: tracking_collars++ 2011-02-10 09:19:56 anna3lc eby++ 2011-02-10 09:19:57 BigD probes 2011-02-10 09:19:57 pberry eby: Not a terrible idea 2011-02-10 09:20:08 ejk eby++ 2011-02-10 09:20:18 was pyott: this looks like a niche tool to many libraries, but the data analysis would be immediately useful to many parts of the lib 2011-02-10 09:20:22 gsf surface-- 2011-02-10 09:20:24 akorphan "tablety" 2011-02-10 09:20:33 eby BigD: i might browse what's left to see if anything there is hard to get in michigan 2011-02-10 09:20:35 BigD was: agreed 2011-02-10 09:20:37 jtgorman I hate to say it, but one advantage to having rdif in library cards would be that it would be pretty easy to do 2011-02-10 09:20:41 KingNightWolf tablety++ 2011-02-10 09:20:47 highermath Still 6 rideshare seats available from IU -> IND this afternoon! FREE! http://is.gd/dkwNEL 2011-02-10 09:20:47 zoia highermath: Don't you mean <http://wiki.code4lib.org/index.php/C4L2011_rideshare>? 2011-02-10 09:20:48 eby BigD: have you gone back to the red liqours 2011-02-10 09:20:52 pberry ad-hoc deployment is a PITA 2011-02-10 09:20:53 BigD eby: you deserve ANYthing that's left 2011-02-10 09:20:56 jtgorman I've wished we had something like this. Our gate counts and similar measures are all over the map 2011-02-10 09:21:00 BigD eby: no, i'm afraid to ;) 2011-02-10 09:21:06 tedde http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x13P7y2Xnco 2011-02-10 09:21:11 eby i might break down and get one of those rares 2011-02-10 09:21:25 MrDys http://imgur.com/qrLEV.gif 2011-02-10 09:21:29 eby still sticker shock 2011-02-10 09:21:39 pberry html5 local storage 2011-02-10 09:21:42 was browser_db++ 2011-02-10 09:21:46 pberry Heh 2011-02-10 09:21:46 highermath I guess that a pencil has pretty decent interface responsiveness 2011-02-10 09:21:57 KingNightWolf hahahaha 2011-02-10 09:22:20 gsf indexeddb++ 2011-02-10 09:22:21 akorphan cazzerson is a really good presenter. 2011-02-10 09:22:26 pberry "The Russians used a pencil." 2011-02-10 09:22:34 pjb1 highermath++ 2011-02-10 09:22:35 akorphan pberry: ha ha ha 2011-02-10 09:22:45 akorphan pberry: The true story is even better: they just used off the shelf ballpoints. 2011-02-10 09:22:57 akorphan pberry: pencil lead dust would have been detrimental to the spacecraft air filters. 2011-02-10 09:23:01 eby @blame bic 2011-02-10 09:23:02 zoia eby: What's wrong with bic? EVERYTHING!!!!!!! 2011-02-10 09:23:05 escowles working_db++ 2011-02-10 09:23:18 ecorrado we uesd it because it works 2011-02-10 09:23:25 harvel generic_boring_code++ 2011-02-10 09:23:45 freqlurker working_generic_boring_code++ 2011-02-10 09:23:50 ejk write_something_that_works++ 2011-02-10 09:23:51 pberry Okay, I want to use this. 2011-02-10 09:24:02 BigD what time is check out at IMU Biddle? 2011-02-10 09:24:10 lbjay BigD: 1pm 2011-02-10 09:24:12 rjhoyle 1pm I think. 2011-02-10 09:24:15 pberry 1pm 2011-02-10 09:24:29 pberry Hahahahaha 2011-02-10 09:24:37 MrDys clown_palette++ 2011-02-10 09:24:44 freqlurker clown_palette++ 2011-02-10 09:24:54 ejk @ana clown palette 2011-02-10 09:24:55 zoia ejk: Well cant poet 2011-02-10 09:24:57 eby BigD: but you can stay in parking lot till 5pm, hand over key to get out 2011-02-10 09:24:59 tshearerlib big undo button 2011-02-10 09:25:03 anna3lc gsf++ i feel you are secretly behind this project 2011-02-10 09:25:09 pberry "Prove that your color blind." "Okay, check this out." 2011-02-10 09:25:31 akorphan giant_button++ 2011-02-10 09:25:32 paulalbert button not big enough 2011-02-10 09:25:40 MrDys "fun" 2011-02-10 09:25:47 BigD thanks! 2011-02-10 09:25:53 was not_entering_numbers++ 2011-02-10 09:26:04 ecorrado user needs just get in the way 2011-02-10 09:26:10 cbeer eby++ i was wondering about the parking situation 2011-02-10 09:26:16 akorphan this job would be easier if it weren't for all the freaking users. 2011-02-10 09:26:35 freqlurker user-based_UI++ 2011-02-10 09:26:37 gsf tactile_feedback++ 2011-02-10 09:26:38 ecorrado eyes++ 2011-02-10 09:26:46 escowles our new interface has one big button and we press it for you at the factory 2011-02-10 09:26:56 eby ecorrado: you might announce that people can get out of the parking lot with their hotel key, can checkout whenever and get out until 5 according to front desk 2011-02-10 09:27:07 akorphan thump++ 2011-02-10 09:27:10 eby think someone mistakenly paid to get out last night 2011-02-10 09:27:11 MrDys @ana screen thump 2011-02-10 09:27:12 zoia MrDys: Merest punch 2011-02-10 09:27:12 ecorrado wby: thanks 2011-02-10 09:27:13 lbjay @quote add <escowles> our new interface has one big button and we press it for you at the factory 2011-02-10 09:27:13 zoia lbjay: The operation succeeded. Quote #2517 added. 2011-02-10 09:27:13 jdwyn thump++ 2011-02-10 09:27:14 pmurray thumpin' on the screen... 2011-02-10 09:27:17 pberry This lab has a great bpm 2011-02-10 09:27:19 pmurray @karma 2011-02-10 09:27:20 zoia pmurray: Highest karma: "mbklein" (457), "anarchivist" (407), and "edsu" (391). Lowest karma: "iii" (-131), "central_IT" (-31), and "solaris" (-17). You (pmurray) are ranked 35 out of 3475. 2011-02-10 09:27:28 ranti great user experience study 2011-02-10 09:27:29 KingNightWolf I like to thump 2011-02-10 09:27:31 MrDys pberry++ 2011-02-10 09:27:32 akorphan look_and_thump++ 2011-02-10 09:27:36 tomkeays not_having_to_use_drop_down_menus++ 2011-02-10 09:27:38 KingNightWolf and I like to move it move it 2011-02-10 09:27:41 MrDys uhn tss uhn tss uhn tss 2011-02-10 09:27:48 highermath iii-- 2011-02-10 09:27:50 mtomko I wonder if they could move some of the left column down under the giant button.. 2011-02-10 09:27:51 akorphan ibahn-- 2011-02-10 09:27:55 anarchivist @sing vengaboys : boom boom boom boom 2011-02-10 09:27:56 zoia Ohohoh ohohoh / One on one just me and you / Ohohoh ohohoh / Boom Boom Boom Boom 2011-02-10 09:27:57 escowles lbjay: that's from dilbert, of coursr 2011-02-10 09:28:10 pmurray sleep++ 2011-02-10 09:28:15 tomkeays sleep++ 2011-02-10 09:28:18 akorphan sleep++ 2011-02-10 09:28:20 jtgorman I could see trying to rope in an engineering student to make a clicker attachment... 2011-02-10 09:28:23 BigD other... 2011-02-10 09:28:23 lbjay escowles: ahh 2011-02-10 09:28:24 jrochkind what better place to sleep than a library? 2011-02-10 09:28:32 lbjay @quote remove 2517 2011-02-10 09:28:32 zoia lbjay: The operation succeeded. 2011-02-10 09:28:37 KingNightWolf sleep counter 2011-02-10 09:28:43 jrochkind jtgorman: does an ipad even have usb or any kind of input? i think it'd have to be bluetooth. 2011-02-10 09:28:43 pberry legacy_data-- 2011-02-10 09:28:47 ecorrado we had someone livign in a hiddemn room in the librry a few smesters ago 2011-02-10 09:28:52 akorphan jtgorman: They just came out with an iphone app where tapping ont he microphone acts as a camera shutter. I wonder if you could do somethin glike that. Of course, I don't think the browser is microphone-aware 2011-02-10 09:28:54 jtgorman jrochkind: ah, true 2011-02-10 09:29:02 lbjay escowles++ # you get karma instead 2011-02-10 09:29:03 pyott is there a thump for library hook-ups in the darker corners? 2011-02-10 09:29:07 pberry jrochkind: Bluetooth 2011-02-10 09:29:09 jrochkind ecorrado: teh real question is why you have a hidden room at the library 2011-02-10 09:29:14 BigD ecorrado: by someone, do you mean you? 2011-02-10 09:29:14 jtgorman that's one of the reasons I don't have a Ipad ;) 2011-02-10 09:29:25 lbjay @most 2011-02-10 09:29:25 zoia lbjay: (most [<channel>] {increased,decreased,active}) -- Returns the most increased, the most decreased, or the most active (the sum of increased and decreased) karma things. <channel> is only necessary if the message isn't sent in the channel itself. 2011-02-10 09:29:30 ecorrado BigD: no, i live in an unhidden room 2011-02-10 09:29:30 MrDys there's a dev kit for creating dock attachment peripherals 2011-02-10 09:29:32 lbjay @most increased 2011-02-10 09:29:32 zoia lbjay: "mbklein": 509, "edsu": 439, "anarchivist": 436, "zoia": 371, "MrDys": 316, "mjgiarlo": 315, "rsinger": 282, "BillDueber": 275, "lbjay": 269, "dbs": 267, "robcaSSon": 220, "jrochkind": 213, "eby": 173, "sesuncedu": 130, "jtgorman": 121, "royt": 119, "gsf": 118, "ksclarke": 104, "BigD": 102, "jbrinley": 96, "bess": 88, "jeff": 88, "wickr": 82, "dchud": 75, and "atz": 69 2011-02-10 09:29:54 ejk github++ 2011-02-10 09:30:06 lbjay *clap* 2011-02-10 09:30:07 robcaSSon ncsu++ 2011-02-10 09:30:10 jaron cazzerson++ 2011-02-10 09:30:11 akorphan cazzerson++ joyce ++ 2011-02-10 09:30:16 tdonohue ncsu++ 2011-02-10 09:30:17 jaron mpow++ 2011-02-10 09:30:17 tshearerlib cazzerson++ 2011-02-10 09:30:20 tshearerlib joyce++ 2011-02-10 09:30:22 lbjay that was cool. cazzerson++ joyce++ 2011-02-10 09:30:25 robcaSSon jealousy-- 2011-02-10 09:30:40 pberry cazzerson++ joyce ++ 2011-02-10 09:30:45 charper cazzerson++ joyce++ #great talk 2011-02-10 09:30:51 harvel cazzerson++ joyce++ 2011-02-10 09:30:52 KingNightWolf I got room keys 2011-02-10 09:30:53 highermath you could use the motion sensor and hit patrons with your tablet 2011-02-10 09:30:58 tshearerlib you can check out any time you like, but you can never leave 2011-02-10 09:31:10 lbjay ian++ # good chap 2011-02-10 09:31:15 mtomko yeah, but then every time you ran into a wall, you'd count a patron. 2011-02-10 09:31:18 pberry Nerf guns + tracking stats. We can make this happen 2011-02-10 09:31:18 tshearerlib hit any user to continue 2011-02-10 09:31:19 demiankatz ipad_as_implement_of_destruction++ 2011-02-10 09:31:33 anna3lc math++ 2011-02-10 09:31:33 pyott icky thump? 2011-02-10 09:31:35 harvel ian++ 2011-02-10 09:31:38 jtgorman walk around with a raygun looking thing and point it at patrons. You'd get a high turnover rate that way 2011-02-10 09:31:51 pmurray Not assuming that n => 0 ++ 2011-02-10 09:31:52 lbjay best talk title 2011-02-10 09:32:00 druthb my daughter would fall in love with Ian, even without knowing what he's saying. accents.... 2011-02-10 09:32:04 BillDueber shoutout++ 2011-02-10 09:32:12 pmurray ...but proposing that n > 0 after the talk ++ 2011-02-10 09:32:26 robcaSSon druthb: don't let her study abroad 2011-02-10 09:32:29 lbjay fresco++ 2011-02-10 09:32:40 anarchivist ianmulvaney++ # awesome guy, met him at DLF 2011-02-10 09:32:44 KingNightWolf robcaSSon++ 2011-02-10 09:32:51 BillDueber Isn't this thing free? How do they get cashflow??? 2011-02-10 09:32:53 druthb robcaSSon++ 2011-02-10 09:33:00 anarchivist BillDueber: it's freemium 2011-02-10 09:33:09 BigD BillDueber: they make it up in volume 2011-02-10 09:33:17 BillDueber bigd++ 2011-02-10 09:33:27 gsf last.fm++ 2011-02-10 09:33:31 robcaSSon @love last.fm 2011-02-10 09:33:32 zoia robcaSSon: But robcaSSon already loves last.fm! 2011-02-10 09:33:37 ejk last.fm++ 2011-02-10 09:33:39 anarchivist @love mendeley 2011-02-10 09:33:41 zoia anarchivist: The operation succeeded. anarchivist loves mendeley. 2011-02-10 09:33:42 anna3lc haha robcaSSon 2011-02-10 09:33:47 helrond last.fm++ 2011-02-10 09:33:49 MrDys I really can't place this guy's accent...sounds like ireland by way of australia 2011-02-10 09:33:58 pberry scrobble scrobble. the hamscobbler 2011-02-10 09:34:05 freqlurker mrDys: thought that was just me 2011-02-10 09:34:05 mtomko does mendeley have a way of handling storing papers you discover when you're not using your own computer? 2011-02-10 09:34:12 gluejar he's irish 2011-02-10 09:34:12 robcaSSon MrDys: it's fake 2011-02-10 09:34:15 BillDueber Hey, if anyone wants to have yet another scum about marc in json and rehash the same conversation we've had at least three times now, it's happening again on perl4lib. 2011-02-10 09:34:22 emorgan Digital humanities! 2011-02-10 09:34:24 anarchivist mtomko: yah, i think so 2011-02-10 09:34:26 mnotess analogies++ 2011-02-10 09:34:31 escowles albums ----> journals 2011-02-10 09:34:34 ranti I like how he uses last.fm to illustrate mendeley 2011-02-10 09:34:35 BigD MrDys: i think he's from Dublin 2011-02-10 09:34:40 anarchivist BillDueber: link? 2011-02-10 09:34:41 eby BillDueber: i can join and use the word shit a few times 2011-02-10 09:34:41 jrochkind welsh? 2011-02-10 09:34:44 anarchivist eby++ 2011-02-10 09:34:47 gsf ranti: yeah that's a good analogy 2011-02-10 09:34:48 decasm_ BillDueber: awesome marc_in_json_scrum++ 2011-02-10 09:34:50 KingNightWolf Dublin++ 2011-02-10 09:34:52 BillDueber eby: Go with your strenghts 2011-02-10 09:34:53 robcaSSon eby++ # shit 2011-02-10 09:35:02 pmurray Dublin_Ohio++ 2011-02-10 09:35:02 lbjay he's the only Ian at Mendeley, too. I was shocked. 2011-02-10 09:35:04 ecorrado words_largest_open_research_database++ 2011-02-10 09:35:08 escowles i doubt he's welsh, i can understand him 2011-02-10 09:35:16 gsf BillDueber: in-depth knowledge of perl required? 2011-02-10 09:35:20 pmurray Oh -- the /other/ Dublin... ;-) 2011-02-10 09:35:36 ranti pmurray++ # lol 2011-02-10 09:35:57 BigD dublin pics from last month: http://www.flickr.com/photos/bigdpix/sets/72157625796322575/ ;) 2011-02-10 09:36:04 pmurray "Dublin OH" is now the largest "Dublin" outside of Ireland. So we're gaining on them... 2011-02-10 09:36:16 escowles code4lib, where dublin, ireland is the other dublin... 2011-02-10 09:36:18 bmljenny Researchers LOVE that feature 2011-02-10 09:36:18 eby @eightball are there whitecastles in dublin 2011-02-10 09:36:19 zoia eby: The answer is def-- oooh! shiny thing! 2011-02-10 09:36:22 BillDueber gsf: I was joking. Joking! All the right code is already in place; we just have to wait for the stupid-ass email discussion to die out. 2011-02-10 09:36:26 pmurray escowles++ 2011-02-10 09:36:33 BigD Dublin is the largest city in the world. 2011-02-10 09:36:35 anarchivist been thinking about jumping to mendeley completely 2011-02-10 09:36:44 BigD cuz it's dublin every day 2011-02-10 09:36:47 BigD get it? 2011-02-10 09:36:56 pmurray @say #code4lib There are no Whitecastles in Dublin (Ohio) 2011-02-10 09:36:56 zoia pmurray: Error: You must be registered to use this command. If you are already registered, you must either identify (using the identify command) or add a hostmask matching your current hostmask (using the "hostmask add" command). 2011-02-10 09:37:01 mtomko this is slick. 2011-02-10 09:37:01 mnotess BigD: dublin_pics++ 2011-02-10 09:37:03 robcaSSon anarchivist: we're dumping RefWorks, so mendeley is on our new library handout 2011-02-10 09:37:07 BillDueber BillDueber wants that extract-citation-from-pdf code badly/ 2011-02-10 09:37:08 pberry dropbox for research 2011-02-10 09:37:09 jrochkind so you add a pdf... does it share that pdf with other people, or it just keeps it just for you? 2011-02-10 09:37:11 anarchivist robcaSSon: nice 2011-02-10 09:37:12 ranti BigD++ 2011-02-10 09:37:14 mnotess BigD++ 2011-02-10 09:37:15 mtomko maybe zotero's days are numbered... 2011-02-10 09:37:17 anarchivist robcaSSon: i'm a little over zotero 2011-02-10 09:37:21 bmljenny He'll get to the sharing thing 2011-02-10 09:37:24 erikhatcher sounds like SETI :) 2011-02-10 09:37:24 ecorrado ecorrado needs to try mendeley 2011-02-10 09:37:31 KingNightWolf same here 2011-02-10 09:37:32 BillDueber jrochkind: Just for you. Copyright is adhered to. 2011-02-10 09:37:36 robcaSSon anarchivist: zotero's on the handout too ;) 2011-02-10 09:37:36 anarchivist robcaSSon: zotero standalone kind of blows at this point 2011-02-10 09:37:37 kestlund jrochkind: you can create groups to share pdfs 2011-02-10 09:37:40 ecorrado ecorrado still uses vi for his citation data 2011-02-10 09:37:43 anna3lc lego_trooper++ 2011-02-10 09:37:46 tomkeays @love Mendeley 2011-02-10 09:37:46 BillDueber BillDueber got turned off from zotero trying to deal with the devs 2011-02-10 09:37:48 zoia tomkeays: The operation succeeded. tomkeays loves Mendeley. 2011-02-10 09:37:54 anarchivist @love mendeley 2011-02-10 09:37:56 zoia anarchivist: But anarchivist already loves mendeley! 2011-02-10 09:38:03 ecorrado @love vi 2011-02-10 09:38:03 jaron yeah, i'm ready to transfer my stuff into this. tried it and has features like highlighting I couldn't easily do otherwise 2011-02-10 09:38:05 zoia ecorrado: The operation succeeded. ecorrado loves vi. 2011-02-10 09:38:06 jrochkind kestlund: but not generally with the public at large? I guess it's just as illegal either way, but might not make the publishers quite as mad. 2011-02-10 09:38:07 jtgorman I think zotero development feels like it died out a bit before it could reach it's potential 2011-02-10 09:38:08 tzhaya LEGO++ 2011-02-10 09:38:10 pmurray Is there a migration and/or synchronization path between Zotero and Mendeley? 2011-02-10 09:38:17 anarchivist pmurray: yes 2011-02-10 09:38:17 jtgorman of course, it's just as likely I just stopped paying attention to it 2011-02-10 09:38:21 jaron pmurray: yes 2011-02-10 09:38:21 ranti @love chocolate_chips_cookies 2011-02-10 09:38:23 zoia ranti: The operation succeeded. ranti loves chocolate_chips_cookies. 2011-02-10 09:38:26 bmljenny I think what they're doing in group sharing is a little risky legally but they don't think so 2011-02-10 09:38:27 anarchivist pmurray: one way zotero -> mendeley 2011-02-10 09:38:28 kestlund jrochkind, you can share the citations at large but not pdfs; damn copyright 2011-02-10 09:38:31 julia_ jaron: Highlighting in PDFs? In Linux? 2011-02-10 09:38:37 jaron pmurray: you can get stuff from zotero to mendeley but not the other way 2011-02-10 09:38:46 gugek fun with the invisible college 2011-02-10 09:38:47 tomkeays haven't had much success with using it on multiple machines though 2011-02-10 09:38:48 jaron julia_: from my little bit of testing. yes. 2011-02-10 09:38:57 akorphan The word "mendeley" makes me want to dance. 2011-02-10 09:38:58 julia_ jaron: Woohoo! I've been half-looking for something that could do that for awhile. 2011-02-10 09:39:01 bmljenny You can share PDFs in private groups. 2011-02-10 09:39:02 jrochkind kestlund: cool. violates copyright to share em with a group, or really even to upload em at all too. But less noticeable or threatening. 2011-02-10 09:39:04 pmurray anarchivist++ jaron++ 2011-02-10 09:39:06 was Is there an API to these data? 2011-02-10 09:39:19 kestlund it's been indispensible working full time and in grad school; i use it on four computers and the web version 2011-02-10 09:39:27 BillDueber was: Those data are the business. They can't give it away, Iwouldn't think. 2011-02-10 09:39:27 bmljenny They seem to think limiting the size of private groups makes it ok. 2011-02-10 09:39:30 BigD bmljenny: wonder if mrgunn knows this is on streaming now 2011-02-10 09:39:35 bmljenny I'm sure. 2011-02-10 09:39:36 jrochkind was: as of recently there is. I don'tknow how owerful the api is. I bet he's abut to tell us. 2011-02-10 09:39:38 KingNightWolf there is an app for that 2011-02-10 09:39:39 pberry amazon++ 2011-02-10 09:39:42 BigD bmljenny: he's prob not even up ;) 2011-02-10 09:39:49 was jrochkind: thx 2011-02-10 09:39:50 jaron julia_: even have a ubuntu repo http://www.mendeley.com/download-mendeley-desktop/ubuntu/instructions/ 2011-02-10 09:39:59 BillDueber unique items???? 2011-02-10 09:39:59 mnotess mendeley++ 2011-02-10 09:40:00 pmurray Hmmm -- I may have to keep using Zotero and push that account data into Medeley. 2011-02-10 09:40:08 bmljenny Bigd I've been around the block on this with him. It looks really similar to what happened to us with eres. 2011-02-10 09:40:12 BigD lazy bastards 2011-02-10 09:40:19 pberry Nick2face for mbklein http://media3.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/photo/2009/10/28/PH2009102804575.jpg 2011-02-10 09:40:21 pmurray (Sort of like how I use Delicious and Faviki) 2011-02-10 09:40:23 anna3lc downloaded... this is not a website? or is there actually a scrobbler for your pdf reader? 2011-02-10 09:40:28 decasm_ i hate it when recommenders base recommendations on popularity 2011-02-10 09:40:31 mnotess malta++ 2011-02-10 09:40:33 anarchivist anna3lc: there's a website too 2011-02-10 09:40:35 BillDueber This is America. We don't know how big Malta is. Or that it's not something that goes into beer. 2011-02-10 09:40:40 bmljenny Mendeley would be awesome as a porn storage,sharing platform 2011-02-10 09:40:40 jrochkind anna3lc: it is a website, as well as a client app. 2011-02-10 09:40:44 BigD I'm a pretty big deal. in Malta. 2011-02-10 09:40:45 anna3lc got it 2011-02-10 09:40:47 mnotess malta goes in berra 2011-02-10 09:40:49 julia_ jaron: Thanks! 2011-02-10 09:40:50 atz decasm: unconditional popularity is a bore 2011-02-10 09:40:55 mnotess malta goes in beera 2011-02-10 09:40:58 anarchivist anna3lc: it's like the online zotero libraries, but better 2011-02-10 09:41:06 escowles mnotess++ # beat me too it 2011-02-10 09:41:16 ecorrado @google how big is malta 2011-02-10 09:41:17 zoia ecorrado: Malta Facts | GuideToMalta.net: <http://www.guidetomalta.net/about-malta/malta-facts/>; Answers.com - How big is Malta the island: <http://wiki.answers.com/Q/How_big_is_Malta_the_island>; Answers.com - How big is Malta: <http://wiki.answers.com/Q/How_big_is_Malta>; How big is Malta? Would I need to hire a car to get around ...: <http://uk.answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20100330044750AAXj13o>; (2 more messages) 2011-02-10 09:41:23 bmljenny One thing zotero really does better than anyone is grab stuff from google scholar 2011-02-10 09:41:27 ranti mendeley++ 2011-02-10 09:41:31 jrochkind solr shoutout 2011-02-10 09:41:34 akorphan @google hbase 2011-02-10 09:41:35 zoia akorphan: HBase - HBase Home: <http://hbase.apache.org/>; Hbase - Hadoop Wiki: <http://wiki.apache.org/hadoop/Hbase>; HBase - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HBase>; HBase vs Cassandra: why we moved « Bits and Bytes.: <http://ria101.wordpress.com/2010/02/24/hbase-vs-cassandra-why-we-moved/>; Understanding HBase and BigTable - Jimbojw.com: (1 more message) 2011-02-10 09:41:53 mnotess flickr++ 2011-02-10 09:41:56 anna3lc @karma code4lib 2011-02-10 09:41:57 zoia anna3lc: Karma for "code4lib" has been increased 14 times and decreased 5 times for a total karma of 9. 2011-02-10 09:42:09 anna3lc code4lib+=1000000 2011-02-10 09:42:10 ranti red_painted_library_building++ 2011-02-10 09:42:21 BillDueber They do have an API. http://dev.mendeley.com/docs/ 2011-02-10 09:42:24 akorphan haitch_base++ 2011-02-10 09:42:28 ejk live_stream++ 2011-02-10 09:42:28 yo_bj mendeley++ 2011-02-10 09:42:29 BigD rmcdonald++ 2011-02-10 09:42:52 pberry mcgriddle++ 2011-02-10 09:43:01 akorphan repository depository? 2011-02-10 09:43:05 jrochkind hmm, i wonder if we could switch from refworks to mendeley. can mendeley do everything refworks online can? CAuse I hate refworks and it's lack of api access so I can't integrate it much. 2011-02-10 09:43:10 mnotess posit posit 2011-02-10 09:43:14 eefcee_ live_stream++ 2011-02-10 09:43:16 atz before I forget, for those nipping my flask the past few nights... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Becherovka 2011-02-10 09:43:25 akorphan What font is that? 2011-02-10 09:43:26 decasm_ repository depository suppository? 2011-02-10 09:43:26 was BillDueber++ 2011-02-10 09:43:27 MrDys atz++ 2011-02-10 09:43:30 escowles becherovka++ 2011-02-10 09:43:36 anarchivist becherovka++ 2011-02-10 09:43:37 robcaSSon atz: i'm assuming Becherovka is a strain of herpes 2011-02-10 09:43:41 dileshni jrochkind: was thinking the same thing. UToronto is trying to get rid of refworks too 2011-02-10 09:43:43 akorphan @sing Tom Waits : Time 2011-02-10 09:43:43 anarchivist caret++ 2011-02-10 09:43:44 zoia It's raining hammers, it's raining nails / Yes, it's true, there's nothing left for him down here / Chorus: / And it's Time Time Time 2011-02-10 09:43:49 escowles @love becherovka 2011-02-10 09:43:51 bmljenny jrochkind: The last time I checked, refworks had a leg up in the word plugin 2011-02-10 09:43:51 zoia escowles: The operation succeeded. escowles loves becherovka. 2011-02-10 09:43:52 mnotess caret++ 2011-02-10 09:43:54 atz robcaSSon++ 2011-02-10 09:44:01 kestlund jrochkind: it doesn't have the one click button from vendors to import citations like refworks 2011-02-10 09:44:10 jtgorman jrochkind: our central campus IT was partially funding refworks and pulled out 2011-02-10 09:44:18 eby also before i forget. for those that were interested in distilling here is a copy of Michigan State's Artisan Distilling: A Guide for Small Distilleries http://dl.dropbox.com/u/2404814/artisan_distilling1.0.0.pdf 2011-02-10 09:44:18 akorphan refworks-- 2011-02-10 09:44:33 younga eby++ 2011-02-10 09:44:34 bmljenny There's a bookmarklet to import from many databases, but it often fails. 2011-02-10 09:44:35 ranti ranti is wondering how many contact requests Ian would get after this presentation 2011-02-10 09:44:41 anarchivist has anyone seen giarlo? 2011-02-10 09:44:44 ecorrado cool, i like this automatic deposit 2011-02-10 09:44:50 tomkeays where is IRC being logged? URL? 2011-02-10 09:45:05 robcaSSon tomkeays: no official log anymore 2011-02-10 09:45:06 atz eby++ 2011-02-10 09:45:10 ecorrado ecorrado wonders if it works wih eprints 2011-02-10 09:45:11 tomkeays but but but 2011-02-10 09:45:12 jrochkind kestlund: hmm, yeah. which is sadly not a technical measure, but just a market one. it's gonna be hard for them to get the same access refworks has spent years monopolizing 2011-02-10 09:45:15 fumi mendeley++ 2011-02-10 09:45:21 gsf lbjay: is the log up yet? 2011-02-10 09:45:22 jtgorman jrochkind: it's leading to mass panic and various librarians all contributing chunks of their funds 2011-02-10 09:45:27 pberry universal ios app 2011-02-10 09:45:29 pberry Neat 2011-02-10 09:45:31 tomkeays Topic says being logged 2011-02-10 09:45:34 jrochkind jtgorman: contributing chunks of funds to what now? 2011-02-10 09:45:39 kestlund jrochkind: can you get stats on how many users are using the vendor db to refworks feature? 2011-02-10 09:45:40 robcaSSon robcaSSon oh, is lbjay doing that again? 2011-02-10 09:45:44 jrochkind kestlund: not sure. 2011-02-10 09:45:45 robcaSSon robcaSSon tomkeays++ lbjay++ 2011-02-10 09:45:48 akorphan We should get joyce to redraw this flow diagram. 2011-02-10 09:45:49 dileshni has anyone used wizfolio? 2011-02-10 09:45:57 rsinger edsu: sorry, i stepped away and now 404 :( 2011-02-10 09:46:00 ecorrado SWORD++ 2011-02-10 09:46:03 jtgorman jtgorman robcaSSon: sounds like lbjay has been logging it, also sounds like some of it streamed with the video? 2011-02-10 09:46:05 MrDys kill it with a SWORD 2011-02-10 09:46:08 mnotess mendeley website has dualing tabs for navigation...odd 2011-02-10 09:46:10 lbjay robcaSSon: yeah. might be up later today even. maybe. 2011-02-10 09:46:11 akorphan SWORDED! 2011-02-10 09:46:12 decasm_ why do we log, exactly? 2011-02-10 09:46:14 pyott sword++ 2011-02-10 09:46:19 tomkeays sword++ 2011-02-10 09:46:33 akorphan decasm_: It's helpful if you're presenting and want to go back and read feedback 2011-02-10 09:46:35 lbjay decasm_: so that presenters can review the backchannel after their talk 2011-02-10 09:46:36 robcaSSon decasm: fun timeline stuff for the conference 2011-02-10 09:46:47 anarchivist @ana open up your repository with a SWORD 2011-02-10 09:46:48 zoia anarchivist: Hey! Win uproarious prototype 2011-02-10 09:46:53 akorphan zoia++ 2011-02-10 09:46:57 jtgorman decasm: cause we have a bunch of people who obsessively document stuff ;) 2011-02-10 09:47:06 BillDueber If I were Web of Science, I'd start getting nervous right about now. 2011-02-10 09:47:07 akorphan jtgorman: also that. 2011-02-10 09:47:10 edsu rsinger: should be 200 now 2011-02-10 09:47:17 gsf vaporware always has the prettiest pictures 2011-02-10 09:47:21 BigD yep 2011-02-10 09:47:23 tomkeays WoS _should_ be nervous 2011-02-10 09:47:25 decasm_ robcaSSon: sweet. proposal for next year is some visualization of the channel, and what sorts of things will turn the crowd against you. 2011-02-10 09:47:28 ranti huh? are we suupose to upload our holding information if we want that kind of analysis? 2011-02-10 09:47:32 lbjay @quote add <gsf> vaporware always has the prettiest pictures 2011-02-10 09:47:32 zoia lbjay: The operation succeeded. Quote #2518 added. 2011-02-10 09:47:33 akorphan gsf: I hear Duke Nukem Forever is coming out Real Soon Now. 2011-02-10 09:47:38 jrochkind it COULD be. But it's unclear what portion of our total userbase would be covered by such statistics 2011-02-10 09:47:41 BillDueber api++ 2011-02-10 09:47:42 paulalbert Could be useful for collection development? 2011-02-10 09:47:42 gsf akorphan: it actually is! 2011-02-10 09:47:43 atz decasm: need to archive karma before reset then 2011-02-10 09:47:49 bmljenny They no longer really posit this as last.fm for research, where researchers can get recommendations 2011-02-10 09:47:52 akorphan gsf: I know! Crazy! 2011-02-10 09:47:56 akorphan gsf: If it happens. 2011-02-10 09:48:02 fresco ranti: is your holding information publically available anywhere? 2011-02-10 09:48:05 akorphan gsf: Otherwise, business as usual. 2011-02-10 09:48:09 bmljenny Grey on grey 2011-02-10 09:48:10 atz akorphan: my best friend from high school worked 3 years on DNF in Dallas... before bailing 2011-02-10 09:48:14 ecorrado thistalk++ 2011-02-10 09:48:18 akorphan wait, there's text there? 2011-02-10 09:48:21 gsf akorphan: yes, if 2011-02-10 09:48:22 kestlund jrochkind: i'd ditch refworks for mendeley 2011-02-10 09:48:27 gsf akorphan: will be the end of an era 2011-02-10 09:48:35 decasm_ check out http:// 2011-02-10 09:48:38 gsf akorphan: an era of anticipation 2011-02-10 09:48:48 MrDys mmmm data 2011-02-10 09:48:49 anna3lc decasm++ 2011-02-10 09:48:51 mnotess large_red_arrows++ 2011-02-10 09:48:53 akorphan The big projector is SERIOUSLY washed out. new_lamp++ 2011-02-10 09:48:59 escowles low_contrast-- 2011-02-10 09:48:59 BillDueber This is, no irony intended at all, inspiring. They built it, and people came, and now it's awesome. 2011-02-10 09:49:06 ecorrado ecorrado wonders how mwndwy de-dupes things (or if it does) 2011-02-10 09:49:08 jrochkind did he say three-legged oath? 2011-02-10 09:49:10 ranti fresco: actually, we put our jpurnal holdings as XML for google scholar to fetch. 2011-02-10 09:49:22 tomkeays it does de-dup as I recall 2011-02-10 09:49:30 tomkeays flags them for user 2011-02-10 09:49:38 atz creative_commons++ 2011-02-10 09:49:38 ecorrado tomkeays++ 2011-02-10 09:49:43 pmurray Who is MCing this morning? 2011-02-10 09:49:47 jtgorman i wonder if watermarking would screw up dedupping 2011-02-10 09:49:51 eby pmurray: ecorrado 2011-02-10 09:49:54 pmurray I'm wondering when we want to do the last raffle drawing. 2011-02-10 09:49:58 jtgorman awesome 2011-02-10 09:50:03 fresco ranti: i've been looking for that information - is it somewhere private just for google scholar, or public? 2011-02-10 09:50:03 rsinger edsu++ # done! 2011-02-10 09:50:03 pmurray ecorrado: ping 2011-02-10 09:50:08 MrDys @band add Binary Battle 2011-02-10 09:50:08 zoia MrDys: Band 'Binary Battle' added to list 2011-02-10 09:50:09 jtgorman best prize amount EVER 2011-02-10 09:50:15 pberry Lulz 2011-02-10 09:50:17 escowles mendeley++ # wonders if it'll pass the wife test 2011-02-10 09:50:18 freqlurker binary_humor++ 2011-02-10 09:50:26 lbjay anyone using the ex libris bx product? 2011-02-10 09:50:27 ecorrado pmurray: lets do it before the ligthning talks 2011-02-10 09:50:30 edsu ooh, mendeley contest 2011-02-10 09:50:37 ecorrado right after break 2011-02-10 09:50:44 BillDueber this_guy++ 2011-02-10 09:50:45 ranti fresco: I will need to check, but it seemed it's public. 2011-02-10 09:50:46 decasm_ so wait, 33 dollars? 2011-02-10 09:50:46 pmurray ecorrado: Okay -- makes sense. I have the raffle radomizer. 2011-02-10 09:51:00 jrochkind i don't think 52 seconds means what ian thinks it means. 2011-02-10 09:51:02 robcaSSon decasm++ # the fine print 2011-02-10 09:51:03 fresco ranti: thanks - would be great if it is 2011-02-10 09:51:06 atz @google 10001 binary in decimal 2011-02-10 09:51:08 zoia atz: Converting Between Binary, Octal, Decimal, and Hexadecimal Number ...: <http://www.robotroom.com/NumberSystems.html>; Convert from binary to decimal? - Dev Articles: <http://forums.devarticles.com/java-development-38/convert-from-binary-to-decimal-11675.html>; ``Converting Binary to Decimal'': <http://www.eskimo.com/~scs/readings/btod.20000429.html>; Why 17 = 10001 is true? (Why the decimal number 17 in binary (2 more messages) 2011-02-10 09:51:08 akorphan In Binary, I'm a millionaire. 2011-02-10 09:51:08 highermath the_cool_exemption++ 2011-02-10 09:51:16 lbjay lbjay just registered an app at mendeley. should be working on the irc timeline instead. 2011-02-10 09:51:19 harvel decasm_: 17 2011-02-10 09:51:26 jtgorman there's still stuff to raffle off? 2011-02-10 09:51:28 decasm_ harvel: right. oops 2011-02-10 09:51:30 jrochkind oh yeah, fun for the whole family 2011-02-10 09:51:46 highermath my wallet is in binary 2011-02-10 09:51:46 ecorrado geek_games++ 2011-02-10 09:51:55 gsf omg this is too good 2011-02-10 09:51:57 lbjay ianmulvaney++ # great talk 2011-02-10 09:51:58 highermath a few ones and a lot of nothing 2011-02-10 09:52:05 akorphan smiling_data_miner++ 2011-02-10 09:52:07 robcaSSon needs more babyheads 2011-02-10 09:52:10 edsu was that fresco? 2011-02-10 09:52:12 tomkeays smiling_data_miner++ 2011-02-10 09:52:14 pmurray jtgorman: Yes -- seven items. 2 books, 4 Oxygen licenses, and the Practical Open Source Software for Libraries promised book 2011-02-10 09:52:17 fresco edsu: haha, no :-) 2011-02-10 09:52:18 pyott mendely++ 2011-02-10 09:52:19 ejk @ana smiling data miner 2011-02-10 09:52:20 zoia ejk: Maladministering 2011-02-10 09:52:20 edsu heheh 2011-02-10 09:52:22 lbjay @band add Smiling Data Miners 2011-02-10 09:52:23 zoia lbjay: Band 'Smiling Data Miners' added to list 2011-02-10 09:52:23 akorphan break++ 2011-02-10 09:52:27 anarchivist lbjay+ 2011-02-10 09:52:27 ejk zoia++ 2011-02-10 09:52:30 gsf ianmulvaney++ 2011-02-10 09:52:32 anna3lc ianmulvaney++ 2011-02-10 09:52:32 BillDueber I lost count, but that was aesome in at least six ways. 2011-02-10 09:52:35 eefcee_ mendeley++ 2011-02-10 09:52:37 freqlurker @sing wire: outdoor miner 2011-02-10 09:52:40 zoia A roof falls, an underliner / Of leaf structure, the egg timer / From Lyrics Mania 2011-02-10 09:52:40 eby decasm_: going up now? 2011-02-10 09:52:48 charper such a good talk. such a good conference. just, wow... 2011-02-10 09:52:49 bmljenny Where's my recommendations though? 2011-02-10 09:52:51 charper code4lib++ 2011-02-10 09:52:56 eefcee_ live_stream++ 2011-02-10 09:52:56 awead crack++ 2011-02-10 09:52:57 helrond getting_crap++ 2011-02-10 09:53:02 anarchivist anarchivist is getting crack now 2011-02-10 09:53:22 bmljenny If you connive people to install the tool on the promise of last.fm type recommendations, you should provide them 2011-02-10 09:53:23 lbjay anyway, i keep waiting for bx customers to realize that the sfx stats that bx harvests could be used in other ways/apps 2011-02-10 09:54:41 anna3lc i have seen so many people add band names, but i've never seen one accessed.. has that part not been written yet? 2011-02-10 09:55:56 fresco blmjenny: recommendations are working for a small group of users now, in testing - hopefully available wider before too long 2011-02-10 09:56:04 cbeer water++ 2011-02-10 09:56:57 fresco bmljenny: ^ 2011-02-10 09:57:14 dileshni did anyone get ianmulvaney email off the slides? 2011-02-10 09:57:55 fresco dileshni: ian.mulvany@mendeley.com 2011-02-10 09:58:06 dileshni fresco: thanks! 2011-02-10 09:58:42 bmljenny fresco: Good to hear. Are you with mendeley? 2011-02-10 09:58:54 fresco bmljenny: yes, i am 2011-02-10 10:00:13 mtomko hmm, mendeley wants me to review every single of of the citations that it imported from Zotero. 2011-02-10 10:00:42 anarchivist @ana simson garfinkel 2011-02-10 10:00:43 zoia anarchivist: Malign foreskins 2011-02-10 10:00:43 mtomko but it doesn't tell me what details it wants me to verify (ie, why does it think that citation data is incorrect?) 2011-02-10 10:00:56 anarchivist zoia-- 2011-02-10 10:00:59 lbjay providing_example_client++ # https://github.com/Mendeley/mendeley-oapi-example 2011-02-10 10:02:32 anna3lc @karma code4lib 2011-02-10 10:02:32 zoia anna3lc: Karma for "code4lib" has been increased 15 times and decreased 5 times for a total karma of 10. 2011-02-10 10:02:43 mnotess signed up for, installing mendeley 2011-02-10 10:03:12 bmljenny Wd be interesting to see what would happen to the database if we dumped refworks and millions of undergrads dumped their term paper research in mendeley 2011-02-10 10:03:26 rsinger edsu: lld? 2011-02-10 10:03:36 lbjay @cluephone edsu 2011-02-10 10:03:37 zoia BBRRRRrrringgg! It's for edsu 2011-02-10 10:03:47 mnotess drag this... ...to here 2011-02-10 10:03:57 mtomko hmm, and it doesn't extract all the authors from worldcat records for boks. 2011-02-10 10:04:08 lbjay @pony mtomko 2011-02-10 10:04:08 zoia ,//) 2011-02-10 10:04:09 zoia ,;;' \ 2011-02-10 10:04:10 zoia ,;;' ( '\ 2011-02-10 10:04:11 zoia / '\_) 2011-02-10 10:04:12 zoia ^^ not mtomko's 2011-02-10 10:04:36 rsinger edsu++ 2011-02-10 10:06:11 ejk So, are all future c4l cons going to be held at higher education locations with big internet connections and streaming capabilities? 2011-02-10 10:06:25 akorphan ejk: That'd be awesome. 2011-02-10 10:06:34 akorphan ejk: Warmer weather please, though. 2011-02-10 10:06:42 akorphan UTAustin? Anyone? 2011-02-10 10:06:44 ejk Because the bar is set HIGH right now 2011-02-10 10:07:08 gsf @eightball what ejk said 2011-02-10 10:07:08 zoia gsf: The outlook is poor. 2011-02-10 10:07:15 gsf ejk: sorry 2011-02-10 10:07:21 edsu rsinger: :-) 2011-02-10 10:07:22 pberry We'll just webex the next one 2011-02-10 10:08:03 gsf @eightball will the next c4lcon be fought with sticks and stones? 2011-02-10 10:08:04 zoia gsf: Of course. 2011-02-10 10:08:10 ndushay hi everyone! 2011-02-10 10:08:12 ejk @fu eightball 2011-02-10 10:08:13 zoia ejk: incorrect assword 2011-02-10 10:08:23 MrDys c vgfffffffffffhfffffffffffffffffffffvvfvfvxccccvcccv v 2011-02-10 10:08:37 MrDys (keyboard cleaning) 2011-02-10 10:08:53 gsf MrDys: i was worried about you for a sec 2011-02-10 10:09:07 ndushay besides the water/coffee supply problems 2011-02-10 10:09:18 gsf ndushay: hi! 2011-02-10 10:09:23 ndushay there should be recycling bins in our venues 2011-02-10 10:09:30 ndushay gsf: hi! 2011-02-10 10:09:35 anarchivist ndushay: there are, but outside 2011-02-10 10:09:38 cbeer ndushay: there's actually water today 2011-02-10 10:09:43 anarchivist ndushay: i.e the hallway 2011-02-10 10:09:46 jaron water++ 2011-02-10 10:09:52 jaron @karma water 2011-02-10 10:09:53 zoia jaron: Karma for "water" has been increased 2 times and decreased 0 times for a total karma of 2. 2011-02-10 10:09:54 ejk MrDys: thought you had a cat on the loose for a sec 2011-02-10 10:09:59 ndushay cbeer: yes, but evil dasani bottled water. 2011-02-10 10:10:09 MrDys yeah, I smuggled my cat, Kimball Collins, to Bloomington 2011-02-10 10:10:20 lbjay "save it as a pdf", yes one would THINK that would be best 2011-02-10 10:10:21 gsf MrDys++ 2011-02-10 10:10:21 cbeer ndushay: there was a container of water too 2011-02-10 10:10:24 ndushay anarchivist: i knew that. I just forgot 2011-02-10 10:10:53 emorgan Again, what is the URL of irc archive? Such a thing is ripe for text mining. 2011-02-10 10:11:02 BillDueber If only they'd invent some sort of machine that would help us hear what he's saying. 2011-02-10 10:11:04 ndushay cbeer: i didn't see it. 2011-02-10 10:11:13 ndushay BillDueber++ 2011-02-10 10:11:21 anarchivist @ana dasani 2011-02-10 10:11:21 zoia anarchivist: Error: I tried to send you an empty message. 2011-02-10 10:11:24 gsf ndushay: agreed the recycling bins and the food/drink should be juxtaposed 2011-02-10 10:11:25 eby there are recycle bins by the door 2011-02-10 10:11:26 anarchivist @hussein dasani 2011-02-10 10:11:27 zoia anarchivist: In ass-head in us 2011-02-10 10:11:28 MrDys MrDys emorgan: ask lbjay 2011-02-10 10:11:34 ndushay wow - I can see my machine a lot better with the brightness turned up! 2011-02-10 10:11:42 lbjay emorgan: it's coming. it's coming. 2011-02-10 10:11:42 mnotess requiring_iOS_4.0-- 2011-02-10 10:11:51 decasm_ the h-suite is closed. 2011-02-10 10:11:51 ndushay apparently this is not my morning to be on the ball. 2011-02-10 10:11:56 mnotess darn. can't install mendeley on my ancient iphone 2011-02-10 10:12:06 robcaSSon decasm++ # thanks again 2011-02-10 10:12:10 tedde Wibram five-fingers on stage! 2011-02-10 10:12:11 BillDueber mnotess: "ancient iphone"?????? 2011-02-10 10:12:21 ndushay ok - what's the best way to keep people's attention while I'm presenting? 2011-02-10 10:12:23 emorgan lbjay: Ok thank you. 2011-02-10 10:12:28 jtgorman decasm++ 2011-02-10 10:12:33 gsf ndushay: video games 2011-02-10 10:12:33 akorphan Do they make you take off Five Fingers at the airport? 2011-02-10 10:12:38 escowles ndushat: babyheads 2011-02-10 10:12:42 robcaSSon code4lib has a bit of a vibram cult, it seems 2011-02-10 10:12:43 MrDys ndushay: animated gifs 2011-02-10 10:12:43 jaron ndushay: cucumber jokes? 2011-02-10 10:12:44 anarchivist @ana five fingers 2011-02-10 10:12:45 zoia anarchivist: Sniff grieve 2011-02-10 10:12:46 mnotess BillDueber: orig. iPhone won't run anything after iOS 3.1.3 2011-02-10 10:12:50 eby use the word shit in each sentence 2011-02-10 10:12:52 MrDys @ana cult of vibram 2011-02-10 10:12:52 zoia MrDys: Vital of crumb 2011-02-10 10:12:53 akorphan akorphan is a VivoBarefoot man. 2011-02-10 10:12:58 BillDueber BillDueber is still getting used to seeing "michael klein: stanford" 2011-02-10 10:12:58 lbjay eby++ 2011-02-10 10:13:02 robcaSSon @shit cult of vibram 2011-02-10 10:13:02 zoia robcaSSon: if you want my secrets you'll eat my sandwich 2011-02-10 10:13:06 eby preferable with a gong noise each time 2011-02-10 10:13:07 decasm_ for anyone else mesmerized by my screensaver http://electricsheep.org/ 2011-02-10 10:13:13 jtgorman without you, I wouldn't have been able to retrieve Ragnor, slayer of a hundred corks and destroyer of countless caps 2011-02-10 10:13:13 anarchivist @ana vibram five fingers 2011-02-10 10:13:14 zoia anarchivist: Verb if virgins fame 2011-02-10 10:13:23 ndushay BillDueber: wait until it's Bill Dueber stanford. 2011-02-10 10:13:24 MrDys ahhh, electric sheep, I used to run that 2011-02-10 10:13:36 ndushay BillDueber: what's the url for your slides? 2011-02-10 10:13:38 jtgorman slower++ 2011-02-10 10:13:56 jtgorman wow, I haven't run electric sheep in years 2011-02-10 10:14:01 akorphan motion_sick_presi-- 2011-02-10 10:14:04 jtgorman jtgorman needs to install it again 2011-02-10 10:14:19 BillDueber ndushay: http://robotlibrarian.billdueber.com/code4lib-2011-lightning-talk-slides/ 2011-02-10 10:14:19 lbjay zoia: do you dream of electric sheep? 2011-02-10 10:14:20 zoia zoia you dream of electric sheep? 2011-02-10 10:14:23 mnotess akorphan++ 2011-02-10 10:14:24 robcaSSon @sing Electric Wizard : Cult of Vibram 2011-02-10 10:14:25 zoia robcaSSon: No lyrics found for Cult of Vibram by Electric Wizard 2011-02-10 10:14:33 pberry Stuck on Cut the Rope 6/15 2011-02-10 10:14:33 lbjay zoia: no, i'm aksing you 2011-02-10 10:14:35 zoia lbjay: so hows that werkflaw management system coming along 2011-02-10 10:14:36 mnotess presi is a bit cliche now, like comic sans 2011-02-10 10:14:39 anarchivist @sing sleep : jerusalem 2011-02-10 10:14:40 zoia anarchivist: No lyrics found for jerusalem by sleep 2011-02-10 10:14:41 MrDys @twit --id 35717961981362176 2011-02-10 10:14:42 zoia MrDys: <milkya> I was very moved to bagel cutting machine! I have never used such as machine in Japan! #c4l11 2011-02-10 10:14:43 decasm_ vibram_five_fingers++ 2011-02-10 10:14:43 MrDys awesome. 2011-02-10 10:15:17 bmljenny Ecorrado would make a good hockey announcer, 2011-02-10 10:15:41 jtgorman bmljenny: racing's more his thing... 2011-02-10 10:15:51 ndushay go stanford! 2011-02-10 10:15:53 ejk @rate comic_sans presi 2011-02-10 10:15:54 atz i don't think comic sans is accurately described as "a bit cliche" 2011-02-10 10:15:56 zoia ejk: comic sans: 1.3; presi: 9.0. comic sans sucks! presi rocks! 2011-02-10 10:16:08 lbjay MrDys: how they cut their bagels in japan: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OxZt4Kxj2cE 2011-02-10 10:16:09 MrDys randall "pink" floyd 2011-02-10 10:16:11 mnotess atz++ 2011-02-10 10:16:19 robcaSSon MrDys++ 2011-02-10 10:16:27 decasm_ they got their name randomly selected. APPLAUSE!!! 2011-02-10 10:16:43 lbjay @who will pretend to be me if my name is called? 2011-02-10 10:16:43 zoia MrDys will pretend to be you if your name is called. 2011-02-10 10:16:48 jtgorman decasm: yeah, I don't quite get that 2011-02-10 10:16:49 pberry Why am I clapping for people that are not me? 2011-02-10 10:17:00 bmljenny Confession: I made a hockey mistake at breakfast. 2011-02-10 10:17:04 lbjay MrDys: i hope you shaved this am 2011-02-10 10:17:05 gsf dot_porter++ 2011-02-10 10:17:12 akorphan None of those people are me!!! 2011-02-10 10:17:17 ndushay princess? 2011-02-10 10:17:18 zoia mjgiarlo + IRC = The Problem 2011-02-10 10:17:23 MrDys and....I'm 0 for 4 on the book draw 2011-02-10 10:17:25 lbjay kayiwa++ 2011-02-10 10:17:27 jtgorman zoia++ 2011-02-10 10:17:28 mtomko bmljenny: you went through the neutral zone with your head down? 2011-02-10 10:17:29 atz you could be applauding the act of giving the thing, or you could be applauding that they haven't bailed early/overslept 2011-02-10 10:17:39 mbklein What did he mean, "these people"? 2011-02-10 10:17:40 mbklein ;) 2011-02-10 10:17:55 emorgan Bummer. I didn't win. 2011-02-10 10:17:59 dchud chickmarkley FTW 2011-02-10 10:18:05 lbjay chick++ # i want that dude's hair 2011-02-10 10:18:06 decasm_ mbklein: what do you mean "what did he mean "these people"?" 2011-02-10 10:18:10 robcaSSon MrDys: i "won" last year...last day. got some godawful chat reference book 2011-02-10 10:18:13 bmljenny mtomko: Ha! 2011-02-10 10:18:21 robcaSSon chickmarkley++ 2011-02-10 10:18:22 anna3lc We Are All Winners At Code4lib 2011-02-10 10:18:24 MrDys robcaSSon: came in handy, I'm sure 2011-02-10 10:18:26 bmljenny mtomko: Crosschecking. 2011-02-10 10:18:30 ejk They still make books? Who knew? 2011-02-10 10:18:31 mtomko 2 minutes... 2011-02-10 10:18:33 akorphan century_gothic++ 2011-02-10 10:18:35 lbjay @ana We Are All Winners At Code4lib 2011-02-10 10:18:35 zoia lbjay: Eradicate well-worn lesbian 2011-02-10 10:18:36 rsinger edsu: emmanuelle sounds like she's in a very large metal box 2011-02-10 10:18:37 mnotess ejk++ 2011-02-10 10:18:39 mlevy thank you all for your kind applause. really, it was nothing. i didn't deserve it. but i appreciate it. really. i want to thank those who helped me get here .. too numerous to name 2011-02-10 10:18:41 lbjay zoia-- 2011-02-10 10:18:50 harvel scala++ 2011-02-10 10:18:53 ndushay @karma ndushay 2011-02-10 10:18:53 zoia ndushay: Karma for "ndushay" has been increased 54 times and decreased 2 times for a total karma of 52. 2011-02-10 10:18:55 anarchivist scala++ 2011-02-10 10:18:55 lbjay zoia: shout out! 2011-02-10 10:18:56 dchud mlevy: the music is playing... 2011-02-10 10:18:56 robcaSSon chickmarkley++ 2011-02-10 10:18:56 zoia lbjay: let me ask my lawyer 2011-02-10 10:18:58 gsf chickmarkley++ iii-- 2011-02-10 10:19:02 erikhatcher chick++ 2011-02-10 10:19:03 ranti chickmarkley++ 2011-02-10 10:19:03 mbklein chickmarkley++ 2011-02-10 10:19:06 jtgorman my wife would love those shoes 2011-02-10 10:19:06 mbklein zoia++ 2011-02-10 10:19:08 mbklein iii-- 2011-02-10 10:19:12 ndushay he wore those shoes to go to the art museum 2011-02-10 10:19:14 jtgorman chickmarkley++ 2011-02-10 10:19:16 mtomko oh man, scala... I tried to love it, but I couldn't. 2011-02-10 10:19:18 awead1 iii-- 2011-02-10 10:19:22 pjb1 those shoes give me the creeps 2011-02-10 10:19:23 anarchivist iii-- 2011-02-10 10:19:29 lbjay lbjay really is intrigued by scala 2011-02-10 10:19:31 yo_bj iii-- 2011-02-10 10:19:31 robcaSSon pjb1: you're not alone 2011-02-10 10:19:33 yo_bj iii-- 2011-02-10 10:19:36 mbklein jrochkind: I think I'm only on two committees. And one of them was a "send two emails to Freenode" committee. :) 2011-02-10 10:19:37 BillDueber inline XML??? Yuck. 2011-02-10 10:19:39 dileshni what are those shoes called? 2011-02-10 10:19:46 ejk XML = drink 2011-02-10 10:19:49 MrDys dileshni: vibram five fingers 2011-02-10 10:19:56 lbjay there's a good FLOSS podcast on lift 2011-02-10 10:19:59 KingNightWolf who cares 2011-02-10 10:20:07 lbjay @who cares? 2011-02-10 10:20:07 zoia julia_ cares. 2011-02-10 10:20:10 mnotess shoes_that_look_like_feet++ 2011-02-10 10:20:13 jrochkind BillDueber: nah, think "XML literals". Like regexp literals, but xml. 2011-02-10 10:20:14 akorphan ejk: is this a drinking game for the lightning talks? 2011-02-10 10:20:29 dileshni even the name is a little creepy 2011-02-10 10:20:32 BillDueber Boy, when I htink "functional", I don't think "val t = ..." 2011-02-10 10:20:32 bmljenny GillSans++ 2011-02-10 10:20:33 ejk Drinking game for any time XML appears on a slide 2011-02-10 10:20:34 danwho SweatyToes© 2011-02-10 10:20:41 anarchivist danwho-- 2011-02-10 10:20:42 jtgorman carefully_selected_benchmarks++ 2011-02-10 10:20:46 escowles shoes_that_make_you_run_right++ 2011-02-10 10:20:50 anarchivist danwho: are you around 'til tomorrow? 2011-02-10 10:20:52 robcaSSon danwho++ # cringe 2011-02-10 10:20:52 anarchivist running-- 2011-02-10 10:21:00 lbjay @ana throw out the ruby 2011-02-10 10:21:00 zoia lbjay: Worthy, brute thou 2011-02-10 10:21:04 ecorrado red_dot++ 2011-02-10 10:21:07 akorphan barefootish_walking++ 2011-02-10 10:21:07 mnotess shoes_that_make_me_run_away++ 2011-02-10 10:21:08 danwho anarchivist: sadly no. out today 2011-02-10 10:21:14 anna3lc if you don't know who this guy is he will trick you into saying you hate iii and then pull out "i wrote millennium" 2011-02-10 10:21:17 wickr scowl-a? 2011-02-10 10:21:17 pjb1 modern_art++ 2011-02-10 10:21:18 gsf this slide is a mystery 2011-02-10 10:21:18 anarchivist danwho: bummer 2011-02-10 10:21:21 gsf oh 2011-02-10 10:21:27 mnotess hobbit_feet++ 2011-02-10 10:21:29 anarchivist chickmarkley++ 2011-02-10 10:21:35 akorphan Why is this language named after the student chapter of ALA? 2011-02-10 10:21:37 gsf minimalist_art_slide++ 2011-02-10 10:21:42 lbjay was that the event horizon? 2011-02-10 10:21:47 gsf lbjay++ 2011-02-10 10:21:49 KingNightWolf http://www.scala-lang.org/ 2011-02-10 10:21:50 pberry akorphan++ 2011-02-10 10:21:52 atz really well done lightning talk 2011-02-10 10:21:52 mbklein gsf: wrapped in an enigma? 2011-02-10 10:21:55 danwho archivist: next time for sure 2011-02-10 10:21:58 anna3lc chickmarkley++ he is still cool 2011-02-10 10:22:01 jaron did he say "if you need to go faster because you're succeeding"? I like that 2011-02-10 10:22:03 jrochkind there is definitely a lesson in how writing large software that doesn't turn into a mess is hard. 2011-02-10 10:22:04 lbjay mbklein: couched in a riddle! 2011-02-10 10:22:05 akorphan newbies++ 2011-02-10 10:22:13 ecorrado bacon++ 2011-02-10 10:22:16 lbjay it's true! 2011-02-10 10:22:22 lbjay DO NOT WANT 2011-02-10 10:22:28 ejk ACK 2011-02-10 10:22:34 decasm_ scala will be a rest stop on the way to erlang 2011-02-10 10:22:35 ecorrado fun fact: I sleep on couch a lot 2011-02-10 10:22:37 ecorrado hehe 2011-02-10 10:22:38 mbklein Scala is one of the 7 languages in my brand new, free-from-code4lib, "Seven Languages in Seven Weeks" book! 2011-02-10 10:22:40 akorphan problem_statement++ 2011-02-10 10:22:40 escowles @sing dead kennedys : short songs 2011-02-10 10:22:41 zoia I like short songs / [Repeat 13 times] / From Lyrics Mania 2011-02-10 10:22:42 BillDueber @weather 48013 2011-02-10 10:22:43 zoia BillDueber: Forecast for 48013: No weather data available 2011-02-10 10:22:44 druthb clever_presentations++ 2011-02-10 10:22:48 mnotess strange_bullet_lists++ 2011-02-10 10:23:02 atz mbklein: free from or free form? 2011-02-10 10:23:06 akorphan @weather Nicosia, Cyprus 2011-02-10 10:23:07 zoia akorphan: Forecast for Nicosia: February 10, 2011: Chance of Rain. High 17°C (62°F). Winds 7 kph WNW February 11, 2011: Clear. High 13°C (55°F). Winds 14 kph NNE February 12, 2011: Clear. High 16°C (60°F). Winds 14 kph WSW February 13, 2011: Chance of Rain. High 15°C (59°F). Winds 10 kph West February 14, 2011: Chance of Rain. High 17°C (62°F). Winds 7 kph NE February 15, 2011: Chance of Rain. High 17°C (62°F). (1 more message) 2011-02-10 10:23:08 highermath ugly_dogs++ 2011-02-10 10:23:12 mtomko free verse, actually. 2011-02-10 10:23:14 BillDueber it's an excuse for a poor comedy at 2011-02-10 10:23:19 anarchivist @ana free jazz 2011-02-10 10:23:20 zoia anarchivist: Jazz reef 2011-02-10 10:23:20 mbklein decasm_: <erlang> "Go ahead, punk. Let your program crash. I dare ya." 2011-02-10 10:23:23 escowles eraserhead++ 2011-02-10 10:23:24 anna3lc problem_statement++ 2011-02-10 10:23:30 ndushay @sing gershwin : i've got plenty of nuthin 2011-02-10 10:23:31 zoia ndushay: No lyrics found for i've got plenty of nuthin by gershwin 2011-02-10 10:23:34 yo_bj we like newbies 2011-02-10 10:23:41 pjb1 that was the cryptkeeper's dog 2011-02-10 10:23:51 jtgorman pjb1++ 2011-02-10 10:23:57 tedde Du you want bibliographic materials on google? 2011-02-10 10:24:01 jrochkind i want his code please 2011-02-10 10:24:01 chelociraptor magic_happening++ 2011-02-10 10:24:12 akorphan well_commented_magic++ 2011-02-10 10:24:12 ndushay will that work for 6.5 million documents? 2011-02-10 10:24:13 jrochkind what's this person's name? 2011-02-10 10:24:18 ecorrado ecorrado likes the "Fun Facts" on the bottom of the slides 2011-02-10 10:24:20 anna3lc Dave from villanova 2011-02-10 10:24:21 lbjay it is pretty easy 2011-02-10 10:24:23 anna3lc not sure which dave though 2011-02-10 10:24:24 jrochkind jrochkind ndushay: if it uses lbjay's technique, it could. 2011-02-10 10:24:29 anna3lc jrochkind: ^ 2011-02-10 10:24:31 lbjay i suck at java and i managed it 2011-02-10 10:24:32 demiankatz Dave Uspal 2011-02-10 10:24:37 ndushay jrochkind: Dave Upsal 2011-02-10 10:24:41 eby would guess mario battali from back here 2011-02-10 10:24:54 mbklein pberry++ # nick2face 2011-02-10 10:25:03 eby @ana crocs in solr 2011-02-10 10:25:03 zoia eby: Scorn col Sir 2011-02-10 10:25:04 dchud drink 2011-02-10 10:25:09 mtomko oh, dear... collections without generics. 2011-02-10 10:25:11 bmljenny DRINK 2011-02-10 10:25:12 mbklein drinking_game++ 2011-02-10 10:25:13 akorphan drinking_game_metahumor++ 2011-02-10 10:25:15 erikhatcher um, no need to package a new WAR... eh? 2011-02-10 10:25:16 highermath it would be much less code in scala 2011-02-10 10:25:25 KingNightWolf shenanigans++ 2011-02-10 10:25:25 bmljenny dang, all I have is coffee 2011-02-10 10:25:27 lbjay how did werewolf go last night? 2011-02-10 10:25:31 erikhatcher simplicity++ 2011-02-10 10:25:37 anarchivist lbjay: pretty good, two smallish games 2011-02-10 10:25:37 pberry lbjay: They lost 2011-02-10 10:25:42 jrochkind if all you want is a list of id's actually, can't you use the Terms handler that's already there? Not sure what this additional handler adds. 2011-02-10 10:25:43 anarchivist lbjay: three, sorrry 2011-02-10 10:25:47 mbklein lbjay: Fun. Only went 3-ish rounds. :) 2011-02-10 10:25:50 dbs @decide lesscode4lib or morecode4lib 2011-02-10 10:25:50 zoia dbs: go with lesscode4lib 2011-02-10 10:25:51 ndushay why didn't he do it in scala? 2011-02-10 10:25:57 bmljenny Er, I want citations for these fun facts. 2011-02-10 10:26:08 mbklein anarchivist: Don't forget the "one-and-done" anna3lc-narrated game! 2011-02-10 10:26:10 anna3lc lbjay: /me proved that mbklein is the One True Werewolf Host 2011-02-10 10:26:10 pberry Oddly enough 82.6% of all fun facts are made up 2011-02-10 10:26:13 ecorrado ecorrado wants a lightning talk on creative uses of sed and awk 2011-02-10 10:26:25 escowles ndushay: b/c this is his first code4lib 2011-02-10 10:26:28 jrochkind email me at _________ 2011-02-10 10:26:30 akorphan I'm telling you, the next big language is APL. It's coming back, baby! 2011-02-10 10:26:33 ndushay i want to update my slacker. 2011-02-10 10:26:34 bmljenny Blue on blue 2011-02-10 10:26:34 robcaSSon @takify tacos 2011-02-10 10:26:35 zoia Ṭ Ä Ĉ Ộ Ş 2011-02-10 10:26:35 mbklein anna3lc: My first few games sounded a LOT like the one you ran last night. 2011-02-10 10:26:36 jrochkind huh? 2011-02-10 10:26:41 mbklein anna3lc: (which I watched on ustream) 2011-02-10 10:26:44 erikhatcher 99.9% of all problems can be solved with a little scripting 2011-02-10 10:26:45 ejk powerpoint-- 2011-02-10 10:26:52 lbjay duspal++ 2011-02-10 10:26:52 jrochkind zombie dog? 2011-02-10 10:26:53 danwho mom?! 2011-02-10 10:26:53 mtomko tell me when it's gone. 2011-02-10 10:26:57 bmljenny Sam the ugly dog++ 2011-02-10 10:26:58 anna3lc mbklein: i was trying to fall back on my d&d experience 2011-02-10 10:26:59 mbklein That thing will be in my nightmares. 2011-02-10 10:26:59 atz powerpunk'd 2011-02-10 10:26:59 bertrama mange-- 2011-02-10 10:27:01 harvel mtomko: it's gone 2011-02-10 10:27:04 escowles gnarly_dogs-- 2011-02-10 10:27:05 tokeee Can I look up now? 2011-02-10 10:27:06 mtomko harvel: thanks! 2011-02-10 10:27:13 pmurray @karma ada 2011-02-10 10:27:14 zoia pmurray: ada has neutral karma. 2011-02-10 10:27:17 robcaSSon @decide dog or chupacabra 2011-02-10 10:27:18 zoia robcaSSon: go with chupacabra 2011-02-10 10:27:18 akorphan We need more baby pictures of my cat. 2011-02-10 10:27:23 jrochkind for my lightning talk, i'm going to show you how to close all the windows on a windows machine 2011-02-10 10:27:35 dchud a chupacabra attacked my village when i was a child 2011-02-10 10:27:37 charper jrochkind++ 2011-02-10 10:27:38 highermath chupacabra++ 2011-02-10 10:27:47 pyott chupacabra++ 2011-02-10 10:27:56 anarchivist @sing goatsnake 2011-02-10 10:27:57 zoia Hey man smells like sumping died under the seat / Out of mind maybe / Peel it back-peel it back / You got nothin' but skin 2011-02-10 10:27:59 akorphan chupa_chups++ 2011-02-10 10:28:04 mnotess she just closed a window for a talk coming up shortly! 2011-02-10 10:28:06 mbklein mbklein$ cd home ; sleep 93600 2011-02-10 10:28:07 pjb1 samsquatches > chupacabras 2011-02-10 10:28:08 ecorrado jrochkind++ 2011-02-10 10:28:20 atz "mobile tool" module... anybody else using this? 2011-02-10 10:28:38 mbklein chupacabra++ 2011-02-10 10:28:43 bertrama atz: we tried it, but the mobile redirect wasn't working properly for us. 2011-02-10 10:28:46 ndushay atz: most of the men in the room, i expect. 2011-02-10 10:28:53 anarchivist ndushay++ 2011-02-10 10:28:57 pberry @sing brandston : earthquakes and sharks 2011-02-10 10:28:58 zoia Back in the ambulance I go, / I had a dream about a girl I used to know, / She said "I got to warn ya 'bout Mexico and California." / Earthquakes and sharks to start us off, 2011-02-10 10:29:01 robcaSSon ndushay++ 2011-02-10 10:29:02 escowles fredsquatches > samsquatches 2011-02-10 10:29:32 freqlurker 2sin luna : california (all the way) 2011-02-10 10:29:40 robcaSSon atz: i just found it annoyed me...the mobile tools module 2011-02-10 10:29:48 ndushay i apologize to all I have offended this year in the channel. 2011-02-10 10:29:50 freqlurker @sing luna : california (all the way) 2011-02-10 10:29:51 zoia it doesn't matter any more / and now i realize i'm livin' like a trucker does / although i haven't got the belly / and though she followed me to california all the way 2011-02-10 10:29:57 MrDys their catalog search is the best mobile version I've seen so far 2011-02-10 10:30:00 atz robcaSSon: yeah, that's what I've heard a lot 2011-02-10 10:30:05 pmurray pmurray thinks the podium machine should be a Mac next year. ;-) 2011-02-10 10:30:07 anna3lc pretty classy 2011-02-10 10:30:18 anarchivist @hate html email 2011-02-10 10:30:20 danwho MrDys: me too 2011-02-10 10:30:20 lbjay ndushay++ 2011-02-10 10:30:20 zoia anarchivist: The operation succeeded. anarchivist hates html email. 2011-02-10 10:30:25 MrDys heh. my favorite book is only available in their qatar stacks 2011-02-10 10:30:31 lbjay loud typing 2011-02-10 10:30:33 robcaSSon atz: and it really depends on your setup/urls....i just threw the browser sniffing in the theme 2011-02-10 10:30:39 anarchivist @band add Qatar Stacks 2011-02-10 10:30:39 zoia anarchivist: Band 'Qatar Stacks' added to list 2011-02-10 10:30:43 escowles pmurray++ # macs outnumber windows boxes here big time 2011-02-10 10:30:46 ndushay THIS is why I don't want to present on their laptop. faster live demos. 2011-02-10 10:30:46 anna3lc did the air conditioner just come on? 2011-02-10 10:31:03 mbklein I warn all of those I have failed to offend this year in the channel to watch out for next year. 2011-02-10 10:31:09 jtgorman anna3lc: think so 2011-02-10 10:31:12 ndushay that IS a great mobile front page. 2011-02-10 10:31:27 robcaSSon if i haven't offended you, you haven't been paying attention 2011-02-10 10:31:28 pberry mbklein: Calendar or fiscal year? 2011-02-10 10:31:29 wickr I'm headed out. So long and thanks for all the beer 2011-02-10 10:31:33 ecorrado ndushay: I agree, it is a really nice mobile front page 2011-02-10 10:31:35 jtgorman anna3lc: which is fine by me, I was getting warm 2011-02-10 10:31:38 mbklein wickr++ safe travels 2011-02-10 10:31:40 ejk Nice that they have mobile interface on III 2011-02-10 10:31:42 mtomko maybe 2 projectors set up in a/b fashion so the next presenter can get their own laptop set up during the previous presentation? 2011-02-10 10:31:43 lbjay ndushay: good luck with that. hope you don't go the way of gsf. 2011-02-10 10:31:44 robcaSSon wickr++ # ditto 2011-02-10 10:31:44 pyott Very clean design. 2011-02-10 10:31:49 jtgorman wickr: have a good trip back 2011-02-10 10:31:52 akorphan mtomko: great idea 2011-02-10 10:31:59 wickr thanks. code4lib++ indiana++ 2011-02-10 10:32:00 atz seems like unified hours data is a recurring theme this year 2011-02-10 10:32:04 ndushay lbjay: me too. but I'm in mac os, not ubuntu. 2011-02-10 10:32:09 akorphan indiana++ indiana+weather-- 2011-02-10 10:32:12 mtomko might not be practical, but it would save some time. 2011-02-10 10:32:15 anna3lc jtgorman: then you are happy i have not been successful in murdering it with my mind 2011-02-10 10:32:16 lbjay @blame ubuntu 2011-02-10 10:32:16 zoia lbjay: i tried weighing ubuntu on the asshole scale but it broke 2011-02-10 10:32:18 bmljenny Blue websites++ 2011-02-10 10:32:18 jrochkind php? 2011-02-10 10:32:23 robcaSSon jrochkind: yeah 2011-02-10 10:32:26 jtgorman anna3lc++ 2011-02-10 10:32:26 pberry Mobile is the new black 2011-02-10 10:32:27 atz jrochkind: i think that's what she meant 2011-02-10 10:32:27 anarchivist @ana asshole scale 2011-02-10 10:32:28 zoia anarchivist: A clashes lose 2011-02-10 10:32:38 MrDys adios wickr 2011-02-10 10:32:40 pyott hph = php? 2011-02-10 10:32:43 jtgorman anna3lc: sorry, I know I'm abnormal when it comes to temperatures ;) 2011-02-10 10:32:43 ndushay pberry++ 2011-02-10 10:32:49 robcaSSon anarchivist: is that what BigD keeps tweeting about? 2011-02-10 10:32:51 jtgorman well, abnormal in other ways too... 2011-02-10 10:32:56 mbklein mbklein will plug his AppleTV into the projector and present wirelessly from his iPad just to be a New Kind of asshole. 2011-02-10 10:32:58 anarchivist robcaSSon++ 2011-02-10 10:33:00 highermath hgh-- 2011-02-10 10:33:07 anarchivist @ana A New Kind of Asshole 2011-02-10 10:33:08 zoia anarchivist: Fool weak handiness 2011-02-10 10:33:08 sibylschaefer want gong 2011-02-10 10:33:13 ndushay mbklein: I'm not surprised. 2011-02-10 10:33:18 robcaSSon sibylschaefer++ 2011-02-10 10:33:20 mbklein @band add A New Kind of Asshole 2011-02-10 10:33:20 zoia mbklein: Band 'A New Kind of Asshole' added to list 2011-02-10 10:33:24 yo_bj newbies++ 2011-02-10 10:33:28 akorphan code4lib_pronounced_with_long_i-- 2011-02-10 10:33:31 helrond long_i++ 2011-02-10 10:33:35 akorphan sinus_infection-- 2011-02-10 10:33:40 atz code4libations 2011-02-10 10:33:40 charper newbie_lightning_talks++ 2011-02-10 10:33:40 lbjay sibylschaefer: ahh, you live! 2011-02-10 10:33:45 ejk @decide code4lieb code4lihb 2011-02-10 10:33:45 akorphan UNC-SILS++ 2011-02-10 10:33:45 zoia ejk: go with code4lieb code4lihb 2011-02-10 10:33:48 jrochkind is that a religion? 2011-02-10 10:33:53 dbs pyott: hph = facebook's hiphop thingy (php converted to C++ and compiled) maybe? 2011-02-10 10:33:56 ejk @decide code4lieb or code4lihb 2011-02-10 10:33:56 zoia ejk: go with code4lihb 2011-02-10 10:33:57 pberry o_0 2011-02-10 10:33:58 anna3lc ladies_at_the_podium++ 2011-02-10 10:34:00 gsf code4leeb++ 2011-02-10 10:34:01 ecorrado Rutgers_SCILS++ 2011-02-10 10:34:02 highermath digital_humans++ 2011-02-10 10:34:04 escowles code4lib_pronounce_with_long_i++ 2011-02-10 10:34:05 pmurray I'm an analog humanist in a digital world... 2011-02-10 10:34:07 ndushay Developing tools for working with projectors. 2011-02-10 10:34:12 knickum cod4lieb? 2011-02-10 10:34:13 dbs @decide php or pcp 2011-02-10 10:34:13 zoia dbs: go with php 2011-02-10 10:34:15 mbklein Humanists will be the first to do in the Zombie Apocalypse. Their brains are the tastiest. 2011-02-10 10:34:17 mbklein So I hear. 2011-02-10 10:34:17 ecorrado although it is no longer SCILS :( 2011-02-10 10:34:20 atz @takify digital humanist 2011-02-10 10:34:20 zoia Ɖ Ĩ Ğ Ï Ṱ Ấ Ḹ   Ĥ Ừ ℳ Ą Ṇ Į Ṡ Ṯ 2011-02-10 10:34:21 robcaSSon dbs gets wet 2011-02-10 10:34:30 pberry I think I'm a vinyl humanist 2011-02-10 10:34:32 MrDys robcaSSon++ 2011-02-10 10:34:34 mbklein s/to do/to go/ 2011-02-10 10:34:39 mbklein pberry++ 2011-02-10 10:34:41 awead @ana digital humanist 2011-02-10 10:34:41 akorphan I'm an analog humanist but a digital robotist 2011-02-10 10:34:42 zoia awead: Mad thug initials 2011-02-10 10:34:46 robcaSSon pberry++ 2011-02-10 10:34:48 awead awesome 2011-02-10 10:34:51 dbs robcasson: you do that to me 2011-02-10 10:34:54 atz mbklein: first to do also. 2011-02-10 10:34:56 awead zoia++ 2011-02-10 10:35:00 anarchivist @who is the next omeka? 2011-02-10 10:35:00 zoia bertrama is the next omeka. 2011-02-10 10:35:00 atz depending which side you're on 2011-02-10 10:35:03 robcaSSon dbs++ # eww 2011-02-10 10:35:07 ndushay @ana relevancy testing 2011-02-10 10:35:07 zoia ndushay: Clattery, evenings 2011-02-10 10:35:12 erikhatcher humanists++ 2011-02-10 10:35:21 akorphan @ana digital penguinist 2011-02-10 10:35:21 zoia akorphan: Guiltiest and in pig 2011-02-10 10:35:38 escowles i'm a human digitalist 2011-02-10 10:35:38 jtgorman akorphan++ 2011-02-10 10:35:39 anarchivist mathis? 2011-02-10 10:35:40 mbklein robcaSSon: A blog I follow recently had a link to http://singles420.com/ -- Online Dating for Pot Smokers. Heh. 2011-02-10 10:35:40 ejk D'OH 2011-02-10 10:35:41 pberry A specifically general tool! 2011-02-10 10:35:41 tbw get use cases first and then generalize 2011-02-10 10:35:42 atz cool map 2011-02-10 10:35:44 was volitional_dependency++ 2011-02-10 10:35:45 ndushay nice! 2011-02-10 10:35:45 danwho mmm tapas 2011-02-10 10:35:46 anarchivist @sing johnny mathis 2011-02-10 10:35:47 zoia A world of shining hope for you and me / A world of shining hope for you and me / From Lyrics Mania 2011-02-10 10:35:48 gsf escowles++ 2011-02-10 10:35:49 charper "I don't know how to live, but I've got a lot of toys" 2011-02-10 10:35:56 robcaSSon mbklein++ # heh 2011-02-10 10:35:59 mnotess etchings++ 2011-02-10 10:36:10 danwho escowles++ 2011-02-10 10:36:10 jtgorman nice example of complex pre-digital media....so to speak 2011-02-10 10:36:13 yo_bj medieval_manuscripts++ 2011-02-10 10:36:21 yo_bj medievalists++ 2011-02-10 10:36:35 escowles charper: bad_religion++ 2011-02-10 10:36:42 gsf dot_porter++ for all the work with the program committee 2011-02-10 10:36:51 gsf dot_porter++ for this project and talk 2011-02-10 10:36:57 ndushay note to self: send code4lib highlights email to colleagues when I get back. 2011-02-10 10:36:58 erikhatcher double_works++ 2011-02-10 10:37:03 pberry I think we should call controlled vocabulary "vocabulism" 2011-02-10 10:37:06 mnotess @ana old english homilies 2011-02-10 10:37:06 zoia mnotess: Ho Ho! Is idle smelling 2011-02-10 10:37:10 erikhatcher sounds very nines'ish, collex'ish 2011-02-10 10:37:10 robcaSSon dot_porter++ # good talk so far 2011-02-10 10:37:16 mnotess zoia++ 2011-02-10 10:37:19 MrDys @ana to the nines 2011-02-10 10:37:20 zoia MrDys: The tension 2011-02-10 10:37:22 robcaSSon erikhatcher: yeah, she gave a shoutout to NINES 2011-02-10 10:37:23 akorphan modular++ 2011-02-10 10:37:30 erikhatcher robcaSSon: d'oh 2011-02-10 10:37:31 robcaSSon not sure what the tech is yet 2011-02-10 10:37:35 kenirwin pberry "vocabulism" = perjorative? an -ism? 2011-02-10 10:37:40 gsf json_internal_format++ 2011-02-10 10:37:46 gugek this should be a regular program ... so much here. 2011-02-10 10:37:47 akorphan Why... you... vocabulist! 2011-02-10 10:37:51 mnotess @ana Sarah Schmiechen type something 2011-02-10 10:37:52 zoia mnotess: Shes the chestier nymphomaniac 2011-02-10 10:38:02 mnotess yikes! 2011-02-10 10:38:03 pmurray dot_porter++ # She is talking faster. Can she go faster yet? 2011-02-10 10:38:06 mtomko it would be cool if the annotations were stored separately from the original documents and different researchers' annotations could be applied to the images as layers (or perhaps that's what they're doing) 2011-02-10 10:38:06 pberry kenirwin: Don't hate on -ism ;) 2011-02-10 10:38:09 awead whoa 2011-02-10 10:38:18 anna3lc pmurray: apparently yes! 2011-02-10 10:38:23 akorphan dot_power_fist++ 2011-02-10 10:38:28 erikhatcher this is heady out there stuff.... *whew*.... reminds me of my time at ARP.... "how do you build a system..." that can do all these whacky ad hoc hair brained things?! 2011-02-10 10:38:29 mbklein kenirwin: That's so Ismist of you. 2011-02-10 10:38:30 escowles vocabulism is a way of life 2011-02-10 10:38:43 anna3lc lightning_talks++ 2011-02-10 10:38:48 ndushay BillDueber: wanna put a link to your prez on the lightning talks wiki? 2011-02-10 10:38:52 robcaSSon erikhatcher: you miss academia, don't you 2011-02-10 10:38:59 anarchivist variations++ 2011-02-10 10:39:01 charper variations++ 2011-02-10 10:39:01 pberry people_named_berry++ 2011-02-10 10:39:01 erikhatcher dot_porter++ 2011-02-10 10:39:03 mbklein DEVELOPERS - DEVELOPERS - DEVELOPERS - DEVELOPERS - DEVELOPERS - DEVELOPERS - DEVELOPERS - DEVELOPERS 2011-02-10 10:39:05 anarchivist jenlrile++ 2011-02-10 10:39:07 jrochkind what is his name he just said? 2011-02-10 10:39:08 anarchivist jenlrile++ 2011-02-10 10:39:09 anarchivist jenlrile++ 2011-02-10 10:39:10 mnotess variations++ 2011-02-10 10:39:13 anarchivist jrochkind: alex berry 2011-02-10 10:39:14 tbw variations is a really cool project 2011-02-10 10:39:15 Schmiecs Hey! 2011-02-10 10:39:30 atz "actual FRBR".... yeah.... about that... 2011-02-10 10:39:36 ndushay in fact EVERYONE who presented - get your slides up and linked. I wanna look at them when I get back. 2011-02-10 10:39:38 erikhatcher robcaSSon: i miss going to the library everyday, indeed. 2011-02-10 10:39:43 akorphan WHO SAID SIT DOWN???!? 2011-02-10 10:39:44 pberry mbklein: I dare you to Ballmer dance across the stage 2011-02-10 10:39:50 mnotess Schmiecs: who knew?.... 2011-02-10 10:39:52 lbjay gugek: code4libTV! 2011-02-10 10:40:10 ndushay frbrrrrrrr - feb in indiana 2011-02-10 10:40:17 akorphan Every time I see one of those outrageous Ballmer performances, I'm afraid his heart is just going to explode in his chest right there on stage. 2011-02-10 10:40:19 mnotess ndushay++ 2011-02-10 10:40:22 BillDueber ndushay: I did! I'm pretty sure I did. 2011-02-10 10:40:27 BillDueber ndushay: I'll check. 2011-02-10 10:40:29 mbklein pberry: I can't possibly sweat that much. 2011-02-10 10:40:41 jtgorman akorphan: don't worry, the machines replaced his heart long ago 2011-02-10 10:40:50 robcaSSon akorphan: s/afraid/hoping/ 2011-02-10 10:40:52 mnotess @whois Schmiecs 2011-02-10 10:40:52 zoia mnotess: Error: <domain> must be in .com, .net, .edu, or .org. 2011-02-10 10:41:00 mbklein @cowbell DEVELOPERS DEVELOPERS DEVELOPERS 2011-02-10 10:41:00 zoia mbklein: DEVELOPERS *cowbell* DEVELOPERS *cowbell* DEVELOPERS 2011-02-10 10:41:03 duspal Ballmer++ 2011-02-10 10:41:04 mnotess @whois 2011-02-10 10:41:04 zoia mnotess: (whois <domain>) -- Returns WHOIS information on the registration of <domain>. 2011-02-10 10:41:05 pberry If we all pitch in we can buy FRBR a few more letters so it can be FReeBiRd 2011-02-10 10:41:06 BillDueber ndushay: Ok, looks like someone editied it down poorly -- my itle isn't even there anymore. Will fix. 2011-02-10 10:41:11 akorphan robcaSSon: you've seen through my euphemism. 2011-02-10 10:41:13 danwho jtgorman but his heart is running Vista 2011-02-10 10:41:17 escowles i'm afraid of flying chairs for some reason, these chairs have sharp bits 2011-02-10 10:41:19 was pberry: I'm in 2011-02-10 10:41:21 jtgorman pberry++ 2011-02-10 10:41:24 akorphan danwho: What happens when it bluescreens? 2011-02-10 10:41:35 emorgan @Whois Infomotions.com 2011-02-10 10:41:36 yo_bj pachelbel-- 2011-02-10 10:41:38 zoia emorgan: Error: [Errno 111] Connection refused 2011-02-10 10:41:42 jtgorman danwho: it has a pretty interface that hides everything useful? 2011-02-10 10:41:47 anarchivist @ana christus, der is mein leben 2011-02-10 10:41:48 zoia anarchivist: Heretics undermine bliss 2011-02-10 10:41:51 pberry facets on the left would be a great band name 2011-02-10 10:41:52 bmljenny My heart is still running WindowsME 2011-02-10 10:41:53 danwho akorphan: and where's his crtl-alt-del? 2011-02-10 10:42:01 duspal Anyone's corporate all-hands that winds up as a natural YourTube hit is good in my book (Im also looking at you, president of SouthWest Airlines) 2011-02-10 10:42:06 jtgorman bmljenny: there's no way you'd still be alive... 2011-02-10 10:42:07 escowles zoia++ 2011-02-10 10:42:07 mbklein If your heart is written in Erlang, you can have three heart attacks at the same time and STILL not collapse. 2011-02-10 10:42:08 emorgan I'm getting tired of seeing search boxes. 2011-02-10 10:42:09 akorphan danwho: AUGH! nightmare fuel! 2011-02-10 10:42:12 yo_bj flute_choirs_playing_pachelbel-- 2011-02-10 10:42:24 jtgorman mbklein++ 2011-02-10 10:42:28 pjb1 handbell_choirs_playing_pachelbel++ 2011-02-10 10:42:36 mtomko octubafest 2011-02-10 10:42:38 bmljenny jtgorman: It is rough keeping my liver drivers up to date 2011-02-10 10:42:38 Baroquem pachelbach++ 2011-02-10 10:42:41 decasm_ facets to the left of me, indexes to the right 2011-02-10 10:42:49 mbklein bmljenny: HOT SWAP 2011-02-10 10:42:56 ejk manifestations_of_pachelbel++ 2011-02-10 10:42:58 jtgorman bmljenny++ 2011-02-10 10:42:59 escowles handbell_choirs_playing_bach++ 2011-02-10 10:43:01 jaf decasm_: stuck in the hash with you? 2011-02-10 10:43:01 pberry Canon in D is great for weddings. #justsaying 2011-02-10 10:43:07 BillDueber decasm++ steeler's_wheels++ 2011-02-10 10:43:14 mtomko canon in d is great for my own personal hell. 2011-02-10 10:43:24 mbklein BillDueber: Stealers, man, stealers. 2011-02-10 10:43:25 yo_bj mtomko++ 2011-02-10 10:43:30 ndushay anyone staying here tonight: food at Finch's is FANTASTIC 2011-02-10 10:43:31 mbklein stealer's_wheel++ 2011-02-10 10:43:37 pyott i want to hear brian eno's version of Pachabel's Canon in D 2011-02-10 10:43:37 anarchivist ndushay: how is the price point? 2011-02-10 10:43:40 robcaSSon stealer's wheels guy just died, right? 2011-02-10 10:43:41 yo_bj newbies++ 2011-02-10 10:43:43 pberry rookies++ 2011-02-10 10:43:44 anna3lc New People: you are no longer new people 2011-02-10 10:43:44 paulalbert pandering++ 2011-02-10 10:43:46 anarchivist aschurr++ 2011-02-10 10:43:46 MrDys anarchivist: really reasonable 2011-02-10 10:43:49 BillDueber robcaSSon: Yep 2011-02-10 10:43:50 knickum packers_wheel++ 2011-02-10 10:43:51 anarchivist MrDys: awesome 2011-02-10 10:43:57 decasm_ finch's++ 2011-02-10 10:44:00 pberry Shes gonna play wow 2011-02-10 10:44:02 atz ouch 2011-02-10 10:44:09 mtomko where does zoia get song lyrics? 2011-02-10 10:44:10 escowles how about a first timer's lightning talk block next year? 2011-02-10 10:44:16 anarchivist mtomko: lyricsmania 2011-02-10 10:44:19 duspal C#++ Say what you want, its a fun language 2011-02-10 10:44:19 atz escowles: no need 2011-02-10 10:44:22 BillDueber escowles: that's a good idea 2011-02-10 10:44:25 decasm_ and village deli is great too. if people are around tomorrow am, they should go 2011-02-10 10:44:26 mbklein robcaSSon: Yeah. Gerry Rafferty. Also the Baker Street / Right Down the Line guy. 2011-02-10 10:44:28 pmurray http://twitter.com/dchud/statuses/35725653785452544 2011-02-10 10:44:38 was escowles: I think the mix is nice, though 2011-02-10 10:44:40 BillDueber The home made potato chips at the VD are awesome 2011-02-10 10:44:41 pmurray dchud++ # What he said... 2011-02-10 10:44:44 mbklein decasm_: Sorry I missed that this morning. Damn neurons. 2011-02-10 10:44:45 ndushay uh oh - i won't have 15 minutes to set up. 2011-02-10 10:44:48 ecorrado having_a_tech_change_laptop_while_you_talk++ 2011-02-10 10:44:51 ejk zombies++ 2011-02-10 10:44:58 pberry Wait, who are the zombies? 2011-02-10 10:44:58 pjb1 campy++ 2011-02-10 10:44:59 knickum zombies++ 2011-02-10 10:45:01 BillDueber disclaimers-- 2011-02-10 10:45:03 anna3lc dchud++ 2011-02-10 10:45:04 chelociraptor campy++ 2011-02-10 10:45:08 atz if we didn't have (m)any rookie talks, then i'd be for a dedicated block 2011-02-10 10:45:10 ndushay i think there should be a firsttimers set of giveaways. 2011-02-10 10:45:11 knickum students=zombies (*always*) 2011-02-10 10:45:16 ejk wait for it 2011-02-10 10:45:21 escowles so let me paraphrase: go not to the channel for advice, for they will say both yes and no and dock your karma 2011-02-10 10:45:21 dchud pmurray, anna3lc: ain't it awesome? 2011-02-10 10:45:25 decasm_ duchampy 2011-02-10 10:45:28 freqlurker waaaiiiittttt fffooooorrrrrr it 2011-02-10 10:45:33 dbs escowles++ 2011-02-10 10:45:34 anna3lc dchud it is, as is your enthusiasm! 2011-02-10 10:45:39 tbw zombies++ 2011-02-10 10:45:40 robcaSSon escowles++ 2011-02-10 10:45:43 awead sound at a library conference?! heresey... 2011-02-10 10:45:44 pmurray dchud: Yep. Very awesome. Hope to see 20 minute talks from some next year. 2011-02-10 10:45:44 davidWalker @weather 92009 2011-02-10 10:45:45 ecorrado @rate zoombies vampires 2011-02-10 10:45:47 zoia davidWalker: Forecast for Carlsbad, CA: Today: Sunny. Highs 70 to 75. Winds northeast 15 mph in the morning becoming light. Tonight: Clear. Lows 39 to 49. Light winds. Friday: Sunny. Highs 72 to 77. Light winds. Friday Night: Mostly clear. Lows 41 to 51. Light winds. Saturday: Mostly sunny. Highs 73 to 78 near the coast to 77 to 82 inland. Light winds. 2011-02-10 10:45:50 zoia ecorrado: zoombies: 9.4; vampires: 0.6. vampires sucks! zoombies rocks! 2011-02-10 10:46:00 atz noob door prizes is fine by me though 2011-02-10 10:46:01 emorgan The more noobs there are the more the conference will need to be bigger. 2011-02-10 10:46:06 davidWalker 75 degrees! 2011-02-10 10:46:09 ndushay @rate townspeople werewolves 2011-02-10 10:46:12 zoia ndushay: townspeople: 6.7; werewolves: 9.1. werewolves rocks! 2011-02-10 10:46:13 dchud tom sawyer? 2011-02-10 10:46:16 lbjay lbjay can hear the sound over live stream 2011-02-10 10:46:24 helrond i feel like i'm on the subway 2011-02-10 10:46:25 pjb1 lo_fi++ 2011-02-10 10:46:29 robcaSSon dchud++ 2011-02-10 10:46:33 pberry To the Winchester! 2011-02-10 10:46:37 anna3lc this game is awesome 2011-02-10 10:46:45 julia_ davidWalker: I think you need to host c4l in your neighborhood soon. 2011-02-10 10:46:52 jrochkind this is way better than mendeley's game, sorry mendeley 2011-02-10 10:46:53 knickum this_game++ 2011-02-10 10:46:53 anna3lc you can see better on the side screens 2011-02-10 10:46:55 ejk It's like Myst! 2011-02-10 10:46:57 dchud AAAAAAHHHHH! 2011-02-10 10:47:06 dbs Clearly the noobs need to eat the greybeards at the end of conference dinner, to make way for new noobs the following year 2011-02-10 10:47:09 mbklein ejk++ 2011-02-10 10:47:14 ecorrado ecorrado has fell asleep in a library before but no zoombies, luckily 2011-02-10 10:47:14 jtgorman awesome++ 2011-02-10 10:47:15 akorphan akorphan is having Hypercard flashbacks. 2011-02-10 10:47:16 mnotess catalogs are zombies 2011-02-10 10:47:18 jrochkind this game is hard 2011-02-10 10:47:18 pjb1 @sing white zombie 2011-02-10 10:47:20 zoia pjb1: No lyrics found for Make Them Die Slowly by white zombie 2011-02-10 10:47:42 mbklein Unfortunately, reading the book about zombies causes more blood to flow to your BRAAAAAAINZZZZ and brings more zombies. 2011-02-10 10:47:44 dchud did you know that Rob Zombie was a librarians? 2011-02-10 10:47:44 mtomko why aren the zombies in every aisle but the zombie aisle 2011-02-10 10:47:45 pberry Reference zombies 2011-02-10 10:47:50 ndushay is this a guide to call numbers? 2011-02-10 10:47:53 jtgorman akorphan: I was thinking of the various NES games... 2011-02-10 10:47:56 akorphan AUGH! HIPSTER ZOMBIE! 2011-02-10 10:47:58 gsf so many actor/librarians in this world 2011-02-10 10:47:59 mtomko s/aren/are/ 2011-02-10 10:48:01 atz moustaccioed_zombie++ 2011-02-10 10:48:04 dchud MrDys++ 2011-02-10 10:48:11 ndushay it's MrDys 2011-02-10 10:48:12 dchud zombieMrDys 2011-02-10 10:48:13 chelociraptor zombie{++ 2011-02-10 10:48:14 anarchivist @ana steampunk zombie 2011-02-10 10:48:14 zoia anarchivist: Peak zest in mumbo 2011-02-10 10:48:14 jrochkind this is a great game! i recommend it to my friends. 2011-02-10 10:48:18 erikhatcher laff_box++ 2011-02-10 10:48:24 mnotess squeaky_doors++ 2011-02-10 10:48:28 dchud i'm suspending the five minute rule until she fineshes 2011-02-10 10:48:29 ecorrado zombie_with_pale_ale_shirt++ 2011-02-10 10:48:31 dchud finishes 2011-02-10 10:48:37 ejk too soon, man 2011-02-10 10:48:40 erikhatcher zombies_in_libraries++ 2011-02-10 10:48:42 gsf dchud++ 2011-02-10 10:48:52 atz aaaaarticlesssss 2011-02-10 10:48:53 mnotess dchud++ 2011-02-10 10:49:11 yo_bj zombie_articles++ 2011-02-10 10:49:20 jaf zombietime 2011-02-10 10:49:22 akorphan What was that? A U-Matic cassette? 2011-02-10 10:49:25 robcaSSon let_me_out_of_here_already++ # what everyone thinks of academic libraries 2011-02-10 10:49:25 chelociraptor andrea_schurr++ 2011-02-10 10:49:26 jrochkind that wins the lightning talk award 2011-02-10 10:49:31 robcaSSon or maybe just me... 2011-02-10 10:49:34 pjb1 stop! zombietime! 2011-02-10 10:49:35 dchud aaand we're still on time :) 2011-02-10 10:49:35 jtgorman andrea_schurr++ 2011-02-10 10:49:38 MrDys I feel like I should have heard about this all over the twitters when this came out 2011-02-10 10:49:39 mbklein @decide zombies or zombocom 2011-02-10 10:49:39 zoia mbklein: go with zombies 2011-02-10 10:49:39 charper That was fantastic! 2011-02-10 10:49:42 csharp brains++ 2011-02-10 10:49:46 anarchivist aschurr++ 2011-02-10 10:49:47 KingNightWolf awesome !!1 2011-02-10 10:49:53 anna3lc is there a link to this game? 2011-02-10 10:49:55 robcaSSon where were the birkenstocks on those zombies? 2011-02-10 10:49:56 akorphan What does a vegan zombie crave? 2011-02-10 10:49:59 tdonohue zombies_in_libraries++ 2011-02-10 10:50:00 ndushay wow - she sounded like one of the indigo girls "thanks y'all" 2011-02-10 10:50:02 flyingzumwalt @takify aaaaarticlesssss 2011-02-10 10:50:02 zoia Ǟ Â Ậ Ȁ Ǡ Ŗ Ț Ḯ Ć Ḹ ℰ Ś Ṧ Š Š Ṧ 2011-02-10 10:50:02 duspal aschurr++ 2011-02-10 10:50:04 anarchivist akorphan: graaaaaaaaaaains 2011-02-10 10:50:06 duspal epic 2011-02-10 10:50:07 robcaSSon aschurr++ 2011-02-10 10:50:08 tokeee There is a zombie on my lawn 2011-02-10 10:50:09 akorphan anarchivist++ 2011-02-10 10:50:11 anna3lc anarchivist++ 2011-02-10 10:50:20 charper anarchivist++ 2011-02-10 10:50:20 mtomko is a Yes cover 2011-02-10 10:50:25 duspal akorphan: BEEEEAAAAAANNNNNSSSSSS 2011-02-10 10:50:27 mbklein anarchivist++ 2011-02-10 10:50:28 bmljenny Does it tell you the most important location in the libraries? NO 2011-02-10 10:50:33 jtgorman shadowgate? 2011-02-10 10:50:35 bmljenny Bathrooms 2011-02-10 10:50:35 pjb1 is that a yes album cover? 2011-02-10 10:50:39 atz ndushay: tennessee accent 2011-02-10 10:50:41 anna3lc Yes++ 2011-02-10 10:50:51 mnotess bmljenny++ 2011-02-10 10:50:53 erikhatcher erikhatcher claps 2011-02-10 10:50:54 akorphan accessibility++ 2011-02-10 10:50:59 mbklein pjb1: I can feel no sense of measure. 2011-02-10 10:51:07 mbklein @sing yes : leave it 2011-02-10 10:51:08 zoia You know what I mean / We have the same intrigue / As a court of kings / Ah leave it 2011-02-10 10:51:09 gsf bmljenny: but then they'd have to show the gross bathrooms 2011-02-10 10:51:21 dchud aschurr++ 2011-02-10 10:51:21 anna3lc fangs? 2011-02-10 10:51:22 anarchivist fangs++ 2011-02-10 10:51:26 anarchivist fangs is awesome 2011-02-10 10:51:27 lbjay fangs++ 2011-02-10 10:51:28 awead @sing yes : you and i 2011-02-10 10:51:29 zoia awead: No lyrics found for you and i by yes 2011-02-10 10:51:32 tbw zombies, fangs, is there a trend here? 2011-02-10 10:51:40 bmljenny gsf: hey they showed gory Griffey. I think the kids can handle it. 2011-02-10 10:51:41 mbklein @sing the tubes : mr. hate 2011-02-10 10:51:42 awead @sing Yes : You and I 2011-02-10 10:51:42 zoia mbklein: No lyrics found for mr. hate by the tubes 2011-02-10 10:51:43 zoia awead: No lyrics found for You and I by Yes 2011-02-10 10:51:45 ndushay sadly, i have to leave directly after my talk. :-( so bye code4lib 2011 2011-02-10 10:51:48 mbklein @sing tubes : mr. hate 2011-02-10 10:51:49 zoia mbklein: No lyrics found for mr. hate by tubes 2011-02-10 10:51:54 MrDys @ana blah blah blah 2011-02-10 10:51:54 zoia MrDys: Ha Ha! Ball HLBB 2011-02-10 10:51:56 mbklein gah. 2011-02-10 10:52:01 pberry ndushay: Safe travels 2011-02-10 10:52:04 MrDys zoia: HLBB isn't a word 2011-02-10 10:52:04 zoia MrDys: Dey tuk er jerbs! 2011-02-10 10:52:06 mbklein zoia: HLBB? That's cheating. 2011-02-10 10:52:07 zoia mbklein: care to rephrase that as a SPARQL query? 2011-02-10 10:52:15 pmurray ranti++ 2011-02-10 10:52:15 anna3lc ranti++ 2011-02-10 10:52:18 lbjay ndushay: adios! hope to see you next year 2011-02-10 10:52:21 davidWalker ranti++ 2011-02-10 10:52:23 erikhatcher preach! 2011-02-10 10:52:32 danwho ranti++ 2011-02-10 10:52:38 pmurray ranti: Preach on! 2011-02-10 10:52:46 jtgorman ranti++ 2011-02-10 10:52:47 atz ndushay: next time in your timezone 2011-02-10 10:52:50 dlovins_ ranti++ 2011-02-10 10:52:57 MrDys @sing t pain 2011-02-10 10:52:57 pberry jaws-- 2011-02-10 10:52:58 zoia MrDys: No songs found by t pain 2011-02-10 10:53:05 MrDys @sing t-pain 2011-02-10 10:53:07 pyott Roger Dean album art -- Cool! 2011-02-10 10:53:07 zoia MrDys: No songs found by t-pain 2011-02-10 10:53:07 ejk SpeakNSpell++ 2011-02-10 10:53:09 freqlurker @sing lonely island 2011-02-10 10:53:10 ndushay max headroom? 2011-02-10 10:53:10 zoia freqlurker: No songs found by lonely island 2011-02-10 10:53:12 MrDys zoia, eat it 2011-02-10 10:53:13 zoia MrDys: You kill me. Dead. 2011-02-10 10:53:13 jrochkind who was it yesterday at the party trying to tell me searchign for 'to be or not to be' in google books would fine hamlet. wrong. 2011-02-10 10:53:16 jrochkind will kurt? 2011-02-10 10:53:16 atz Mad beatzzzzz 2011-02-10 10:53:17 decasm_ point it at the channel 2011-02-10 10:53:19 zoia SHALL - WE - PLAY - A - GAME? 2011-02-10 10:53:21 jrochkind http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&tbo=1&tbs=bks%3A1&q=to+be+or+not+to+be&aq=f&aqi=g3&aql=&oq= 2011-02-10 10:53:28 highermath is there a speed control 2011-02-10 10:53:37 MrDys edsu shoutout 2011-02-10 10:53:39 jtgorman makes me feel a bit embarrassed that I think I haven't installed JAWS on my new machine yet 2011-02-10 10:53:43 atz edsu++ 2011-02-10 10:53:44 Baroquem I'd use a screen reader all the time if it talked to me like that. 2011-02-10 10:53:48 duspal Who let my dad in here? The similarities in the voice ar eerie... 2011-02-10 10:53:53 danwho @sing Daft Punk: around the world 2011-02-10 10:53:54 zoia Around the world, around the world / Around the world, around the world / Around the world, around the world 2011-02-10 10:54:00 MrDys index dot asp 2011-02-10 10:54:01 anna3lc decasm++ yes point it at the channel! 2011-02-10 10:54:03 jstirnaman vocoder_with_british_accent++ 2011-02-10 10:54:04 akorphan submit... to... creepy... computer... voice... overlord.... 2011-02-10 10:54:21 highermath where is the "shut up" button 2011-02-10 10:54:25 mbklein Having a computer voice read a browse list of LCSH post-coordinated subject headings out loud sounds like a CIA/Blackwater interrogation strategy. 2011-02-10 10:54:37 dlacy Fitter. Happier. More productive. 2011-02-10 10:54:38 anarchivist mbklein++ 2011-02-10 10:54:39 awead I wonder if you can get it in a Tennessee accent 2011-02-10 10:54:40 pberry Needs a hypnotoad voice 2011-02-10 10:54:43 jtgorman highermath: I imagine so, most screen readers I've seen do. the users I know tend by default to have it read really fast till they get to the parts they're interested in 2011-02-10 10:54:44 pjb1 that's banned by the geneva convention 2011-02-10 10:54:46 robcaSSon am i having a stroke? 2011-02-10 10:54:53 chelociraptor pberry++ 2011-02-10 10:54:55 ndushay mbklein++ 2011-02-10 10:54:57 awead @sing Radiohead 2011-02-10 10:55:00 gsf robcaSSon: it's just gas 2011-02-10 10:55:01 zoia Karma Police, arrest this man, he talks in maths / He buzzes like a fridge, he's like a detuned radio / Karma Police, arrest this girl, her hitler hairdo, 2011-02-10 10:55:10 robcaSSon gsf++ 2011-02-10 10:55:15 yo_bj mbklein++ 2011-02-10 10:55:21 lbjay can it sing micheal mcdonald with a tennessee accent? 2011-02-10 10:55:23 mnotess @sing schubert 2011-02-10 10:55:24 zoia mnotess: No songs found by schubert 2011-02-10 10:55:26 highermath nvda-project++ 2011-02-10 10:55:27 mbklein lbjay++ 2011-02-10 10:55:31 duspal This might be good white noise to sleep to 2011-02-10 10:55:31 emorgan @sing catfish keith 2011-02-10 10:55:32 zoia emorgan: No songs found by catfish keith 2011-02-10 10:55:33 BillDueber BillDueber fears running this against our stufff... 2011-02-10 10:55:33 pyott a polite dalek? 2011-02-10 10:55:35 mbklein @sing doobie brothers : china grove 2011-02-10 10:55:39 akorphan WHEN-A-MAN-LOVES-A-WOMAN 2011-02-10 10:55:40 highermath nvda_project++ 2011-02-10 10:55:42 anarchivist @sing kool keith 2011-02-10 10:55:44 zoia ‘round about their homes. / The people of the town are strange / and they’re proud of where they came. / Well, you’re talkin’ ‘bout China Grove, wo, oh, oh, 2011-02-10 10:55:46 zoia [Kool Keith] / New York City (K double-O L) y'know, y'know / (Keith Productions) two step, two step girl 2011-02-10 10:55:47 jaron @zalgo2 RECYCLE MANIA 2011-02-10 10:55:48 zoia jaron: R̵̢E҉̧͟CY̴̴̡CL̀͘E̡ ̸̧M̧̀A̧͢͢NI̴͠À́͡ 2011-02-10 10:55:54 BillDueber BillDueber can't help but love the Doobie Brothers. 2011-02-10 10:56:05 decasm_ @hussein exterminate 2011-02-10 10:56:05 zoia decasm_: Sexier, unhesitant me 2011-02-10 10:56:06 emorgan @sing iron butterfly 2011-02-10 10:56:08 zoia Sunshine keeps light time from bringing down the sad sad times.Mmm, that sunshine brings brightness to you.Oh, when you are blue, there's that sunshine especially for you.When you're down, look up from the ground.Look up from the ground.Look for the sound.Sunshine keeps light time from bringing on the sad sad times.Mmm, that sunshine brings brightness to you. / From Lyrics Mania 2011-02-10 10:56:14 robcaSSon ranti++ 2011-02-10 10:56:16 chelociraptor ranti++ 2011-02-10 10:56:18 anarchivist @zalgo2 [sing doobie brothers : what a fool believes] 2011-02-10 10:56:19 MrDys regular ole talks 2011-02-10 10:56:19 zoia anarchivist: A͢s ͢h̶e̶ ̨͏̵r̢͞i͞ses ̸͝͝to̸̶ ̵̶̢hér̴̸ ap͠͏̶o͜l̢͡o҉̷͏g͟y͜͠, /̶ ̢̡àn҉͞yb͟͠o̷̧d̡y̶̛ ̴̸é̶l̡͘s̡͡e̕͡ ͟wo̢u̴͝l̵͡d s͟͝͝urely͏ ķ̴no͝w̧̕ ͘͢/ ̴̨͡ḩ͜e҉'̸̢̛s̶̨͠ ͏͢w̧̨̧a̶tc̢̛͘h̵͡i҉̡n͟g̸̢ ̶͘he̴r̸̸ ̀͠͠go. /̸͝ B̛̛u͝҉t̷҉ ̨͞w̧̛h͢͞à̀t͏̵ ̢̕a ̴foò̀l̡͠͝ bel̀͝i҉ev̴̀e̷̡͡s̴ ͝h͢e̶͘ (1 more message) 2011-02-10 10:56:28 anarchivist @more 2011-02-10 10:56:28 zoia anarchivist: ́̕se̷͏ę̷̕s,̸̛̕ 2011-02-10 10:56:29 akorphan OLE! 2011-02-10 10:56:31 yo_bj ranti++ 2011-02-10 10:56:32 mbklein Does it have the Millennium source code on it? 2011-02-10 10:56:36 pberry Is that the one with student data on it? 2011-02-10 10:56:38 robcaSSon mbklein: burn it 2011-02-10 10:56:42 pmurray I also posted about some accessibility tools this morning: http://dltj.org/article/thursday-threads-2011w6/#p2548-accessibility 2011-02-10 10:56:43 chelocirapto chelocirapto loses my name tag 2011-02-10 10:56:45 jaron @redact [zen] 2011-02-10 10:56:45 zoia A journey of a thousand miles begins with a single step. ███ Tzu 2011-02-10 10:56:46 yo_bj they have to pay me to take that iii drive 2011-02-10 10:56:49 freqlurker mbklein: burn it with fire! 2011-02-10 10:56:55 anarchivist @dunno add A͢s ͢h̶e̶ ̨͏̵r̢͞i͞ses ̸͝͝to̸̶ ̵̶̢hér̴̸ ap͠͏̶o͜l̢͡o҉̷͏g͟y͜͠, /̶ ̢̡àn҉͞yb͟͠o̷̧d̡y̶̛ ̴̸é̶l̡͘s̡͡e̕͡ ͟wo̢u̴͝l̵͡d s͟͝͝urely͏ ķ̴no͝w̧̕ ͘͢/ ̴̨͡ḩ͜e҉'̸̢̛s̶̨͠ ͏͢w̧̨̧a̶tc̢̛͘h̵͡i҉̡n͟g̸̢ ̶͘he̴r̸̸ ̀͠͠go. /̸͝ B̛̛u͝҉t̷҉ ̨͞w̧̛h͢͞à̀t͏̵ ̢̕a ̴foò̀l̡͠͝ bel̀͝i҉ev̴̀e̷̡͡s̴ ͝h͢é̶͘̕se̷͏ę̷̕s,̕ 2011-02-10 10:56:55 zoia anarchivist: The operation succeeded. Dunno #1128 added. 2011-02-10 10:56:56 mbklein ndushay++ 2011-02-10 10:56:57 jaron @redact [zen] 2011-02-10 10:56:57 zoia You will not be punished for your █████; you will be punished by your █████. 2011-02-10 10:57:03 mbklein zoia++ 2011-02-10 10:57:07 lbjay zoia++ 2011-02-10 10:57:09 jaron ndushay++ 2011-02-10 10:57:11 BillDueber pmurray++ # love the thursday posts 2011-02-10 10:57:12 KingNightWolf got drunk and went streaking 2011-02-10 10:57:20 lbjay KingNightWolf++ 2011-02-10 10:57:22 MrDys morning? 2011-02-10 10:57:23 pmurray Next week is a 1-hour webinar from Infopeople on an ADA Update: Revised Regulations for Disability Accommodations for the Public: http://www.infopeople.org/training/webcasts/webcast_data/502/index.html 2011-02-10 10:57:25 robcaSSon short_i++ 2011-02-10 10:57:26 lbjay "libe"-- 2011-02-10 10:57:28 akorphan short_i++ 2011-02-10 10:57:29 pjb1 perkiness-- 2011-02-10 10:57:32 mbklein mbklein just threw a goat 2011-02-10 10:57:34 flyingzumwalt "libe"-- 2011-02-10 10:57:37 lbjay mbklein++ 2011-02-10 10:57:39 anarchivist ndushay++ 2011-02-10 10:57:43 mbklein code4leeeeb 2011-02-10 10:57:46 gsf ndushay works the crowd 2011-02-10 10:57:47 pmurray BillDueber: Thanks! 2011-02-10 10:57:48 eby @karma goats 2011-02-10 10:57:49 zoia eby: goats has neutral karma. 2011-02-10 10:57:50 anarchivist @sing goatsnake 2011-02-10 10:57:50 flyingzumwalt perky_ndushay++ 2011-02-10 10:57:50 jaf lihbrary++ 2011-02-10 10:57:51 pberry The rary is silent, right? 2011-02-10 10:57:52 zoia anarchivist: No lyrics found for Flower Of Disease by goatsnake 2011-02-10 10:57:53 anna3lc code4baaaa 2011-02-10 10:57:55 anarchivist @sing goatsnake 2011-02-10 10:57:56 atz lbjay, flyingzumwalt: as i said, that must be the short form of "code4libations" 2011-02-10 10:57:56 zoia Hear howls from the moon / Lonely souls that chill the bones / El coyote 2011-02-10 10:58:06 mnotess goats++ 2011-02-10 10:58:09 bmljenny Bacon 2011-02-10 10:58:17 lbjay flyingzumwalt++ atz++ 2011-02-10 10:58:19 mnotess bacon++ 2011-02-10 10:58:21 anarchivist @quote add < zoia> Hear howls from the moon / Lonely souls that chill the bones / El coyote 2011-02-10 10:58:21 zoia anarchivist: The operation succeeded. Quote #2519 added. 2011-02-10 10:58:22 bmljenny God I love bacon 2011-02-10 10:58:24 mnotess @karma bacon 2011-02-10 10:58:24 zoia mnotess: Karma for "bacon" has been increased 13 times and decreased 0 times for a total karma of 13. 2011-02-10 10:58:25 akorphan The nice thing about short-i Code4Lib is that people can scoff with distaste "Damn Code4Libbers" in the same way they once scoffed "Damn womens' libbers" 2011-02-10 10:58:35 pjb1 @sing scatterbrain 2011-02-10 10:58:36 zoia I'm not going down with the ship / Everyone's captain / Trying to tell you what to do / I want to do what's right for me 2011-02-10 10:58:42 flyingzumwalt @bartender atz 2011-02-10 10:58:43 zoia zoia fills a pint glass with Cantillon Bruocsella 1900 Grand Cru, and sends it sliding down the bar to atz (http://beeradvocate.com/beer/profile/388/2559) 2011-02-10 10:58:45 csharp code4liberals 2011-02-10 10:58:48 robcaSSon akorphan++ # exactly 2011-02-10 10:58:48 lbjay ENJOY THE KARMA KIDS, IT'S ALL GOING AWAY IN 62 MINUTES! 2011-02-10 10:58:53 ecorrado bacon++ 2011-02-10 10:58:56 duspal Set slides .... to ludicrous speed! 2011-02-10 10:58:57 akorphan ibahn-- 2011-02-10 10:59:00 flyingzumwalt flyingzumwalt @bartender lbjay 2011-02-10 10:59:00 zoia zoia fills a pint glass with Paulaner Salvator Doppel Bock, and sends it sliding down the bar to lbjay (http://beeradvocate.com/beer/profile/124/387/) 2011-02-10 10:59:01 MrDys @sing radiohead : karma police 2011-02-10 10:59:02 bmljenny Cantillon++ 2011-02-10 10:59:02 zoia Karma Police, arrest this man, he talks in maths / He buzzes like a fridge, he's like a detuned radio / Karma Police, arrest this girl, her hitler hairdo, 2011-02-10 10:59:04 jaf @karma 2011-02-10 10:59:04 zoia jaf: Highest karma: "mbklein" (463), "anarchivist" (412), and "edsu" (394). Lowest karma: "iii" (-138), "central_IT" (-31), and "solaris" (-17). You (jaf) are ranked 39 out of 3618. 2011-02-10 10:59:06 mbklein Noooo!!!!! My kaaaarrrrrmrmmmmaaaaaa!!!! 2011-02-10 10:59:06 erikhatcher ccomputer video guy++ 2011-02-10 10:59:08 mnotess temporary_karma++ 2011-02-10 10:59:08 mbklein @karma 2011-02-10 10:59:08 zoia mbklein: Highest karma: "mbklein" (463), "anarchivist" (412), and "edsu" (394). Lowest karma: "iii" (-138), "central_IT" (-31), and "solaris" (-17). You (mbklein) are ranked 1 out of 3619. 2011-02-10 10:59:17 KingNightWolf turkey bacon++ 2011-02-10 10:59:18 lbjay karma_reset++ 2011-02-10 10:59:19 anna3lc @karma 2011-02-10 10:59:20 robcaSSon @karma robcaSSon 2011-02-10 10:59:20 zoia anna3lc: Highest karma: "mbklein" (463), "anarchivist" (412), and "edsu" (394). Lowest karma: "iii" (-138), "central_IT" (-31), and "solaris" (-17). You (anna3lc) are ranked 46 out of 3619. 2011-02-10 10:59:20 awead @karma awead 2011-02-10 10:59:21 mnotess @karma 2011-02-10 10:59:21 pberry lbjay: Can we snapshot it? 2011-02-10 10:59:22 zoia robcaSSon: Karma for "robcaSSon" has been increased 225 times and decreased 30 times for a total karma of 195. 2011-02-10 10:59:23 zoia awead: Karma for "awead" has been increased 5 times and decreased 1 time for a total karma of 4. 2011-02-10 10:59:24 zoia mnotess: Highest karma: "mbklein" (463), "anarchivist" (412), and "edsu" (394). Lowest karma: "iii" (-138), "central_IT" (-31), and "solaris" (-17). You (mnotess) are ranked 279 out of 3619. 2011-02-10 10:59:26 akorphan @karma 2011-02-10 10:59:26 zoia akorphan: Highest karma: "mbklein" (463), "anarchivist" (412), and "edsu" (394). Lowest karma: "iii" (-138), "central_IT" (-31), and "solaris" (-17). You (akorphan) are ranked 36 out of 3619. 2011-02-10 10:59:30 mbklein I used all my best stuff this year! I got nothin' left! 2011-02-10 10:59:36 chelociraptor @karma 2011-02-10 10:59:37 anna3lc mbklein++ 2011-02-10 10:59:37 zoia chelociraptor: Highest karma: "mbklein" (463), "anarchivist" (412), and "edsu" (394). Lowest karma: "iii" (-138), "central_IT" (-31), and "solaris" (-17). 2011-02-10 10:59:37 ecorrado problem with using complaints is you only here from squeaky wheels 2011-02-10 10:59:39 lbjay pberry: i forget 2011-02-10 11:00:00 ecorrado people that like what is working don't complain 2011-02-10 11:00:01 decasm_ demo at the end = bury the lede 2011-02-10 11:00:01 akorphan @karma code4lib_pronounced_with_long_i 2011-02-10 11:00:02 zoia akorphan: Karma for "code4lib_pronounced_with_long_i" has been increased 0 times and decreased 4 times for a total karma of -4. 2011-02-10 11:00:08 eby @sing handsome furs : handsome furs hate this city 2011-02-10 11:00:10 zoia eby: No lyrics found for handsome furs hate this city by handsome furs 2011-02-10 11:00:19 jaron @zalgo2 CUCUMBER 2011-02-10 11:00:20 zoia jaron: C҉͞UC̡͡Ư̵̧M̴B͠ER͢͞ 2011-02-10 11:00:22 anarchivist cucumber++ 2011-02-10 11:00:25 jrochkind i'm not sure you do, i think just testing the solr query itself might be enough for relevancy features. 2011-02-10 11:00:31 awead @karma cucumber 2011-02-10 11:00:32 zoia awead: Karma for "cucumber" has been increased 6 times and decreased 1 time for a total karma of 5. 2011-02-10 11:00:33 jaron cucumber++ 2011-02-10 11:00:45 bmljenny I want a cucumber and bacon sandwich 2011-02-10 11:00:49 mnotess @ana cucumber 2011-02-10 11:00:50 zoia mnotess: Crumb cue 2011-02-10 11:00:53 anna3lc bmljenny++ 2011-02-10 11:00:55 jrochkind you could of course easily point cucumber just at the direct solr api, if you agreed with me 2011-02-10 11:00:58 KingNightWolf gmljenny++ 2011-02-10 11:01:04 akorphan bmljenny: With mayo? 2011-02-10 11:01:06 awead @ana cucumber and bacon sandwich 2011-02-10 11:01:08 zoia awead: Drab now scum chic abundance 2011-02-10 11:01:09 BillDueber Am I the only one who immediately chceked that search in his/her own OPAC? 2011-02-10 11:01:11 ecorrado ecorrado puts cucumbers in brine and makes pickles 2011-02-10 11:01:12 eby @who agrees with jrochkind 2011-02-10 11:01:13 zoia highermath agrees with jrochkind. 2011-02-10 11:01:16 mnotess @ana cumber and bacon frappe 2011-02-10 11:01:17 zoia mnotess: Fame and burp crab ponce 2011-02-10 11:01:18 bmljenny akorphan: Oh yes!! 2011-02-10 11:01:20 ecorrado pickles++ 2011-02-10 11:01:25 akorphan bmljenny++ 2011-02-10 11:01:45 BillDueber jrochkind: it depends on if you're testing just the search results or the combination of translate-to-solr-query + search results 2011-02-10 11:01:47 mbklein bmljenny: http://bacolicio.us/http://code4lib.org/conference/2011 2011-02-10 11:01:53 flyingzumwalt @ translationparty green is good red is bad 2011-02-10 11:01:55 jrochkind BillDueber: ah, good point. 2011-02-10 11:01:59 zoia flyingzumwalt: Red, green, good or bad 2011-02-10 11:02:00 BillDueber jrochkind: But it suddenly strikes me that we've had this talk already. 2011-02-10 11:02:16 bmljenny Mbklein++ 2011-02-10 11:02:17 jrochkind BillDueber: if we did I forgot it. I've been re-convinced, yes, test the whole stack 2011-02-10 11:02:25 KingNightWolf red is good green is bad ? 2011-02-10 11:02:29 akorphan colorblind_accessibility++ 2011-02-10 11:02:36 chelociraptor what about a babyhead collection? 2011-02-10 11:02:37 bmljenny mbklein: That is the most beautiful website I have ever seen. (wipes tear) 2011-02-10 11:02:39 pmurray pmurray giggles. 2011-02-10 11:02:51 duspal The head on that clipart is unnaturally large 2011-02-10 11:02:53 anarchivist @ana green rayon 2011-02-10 11:02:53 zoia anarchivist: Or an energy 2011-02-10 11:02:58 duspal ]Its kinda wigging me out 2011-02-10 11:03:03 KingNightWolf baconlisheeessss 2011-02-10 11:03:03 jrochkind i've got a book. https://catalyst.library.jhu.edu/catalog?q=le+rayon+vert&search_field=all_fields&commit=search&commit=search 2011-02-10 11:03:04 mnotess @ana nod to bill dueber 2011-02-10 11:03:05 zoia mnotess: Brute, noble dildo 2011-02-10 11:03:07 MrDys textmate++ 2011-02-10 11:03:09 pberry guess: they use JIRA 2011-02-10 11:03:10 mbklein bmljenny: bacolicio.us magically enhances the aesthetics of any web site. 2011-02-10 11:03:11 lbjay zoia-- 2011-02-10 11:03:12 BillDueber jrochkind: Last time around, you made what I thought was a very compelling argument that the user->solr translation should be a separate set of tests 2011-02-10 11:03:22 ejk duspal: the head also a large, featureless sphere 2011-02-10 11:03:29 jrochkind BillDueber: oh, did I? Maybe I was right. hell if i know. 2011-02-10 11:03:32 bmljenny mbklein: I like that it's not flash 2011-02-10 11:03:44 akorphan whoa, interesting template. 2011-02-10 11:03:56 akorphan also, color. 2011-02-10 11:04:01 atz nice tab complete 2011-02-10 11:04:03 jrochkind BillDueber: i think you definitey want unit tests for the user->solr translation. But maybe your relevancy tests should still be full stack cucumber, why not. I dunno. Whatever works. 2011-02-10 11:04:04 mnotess zoia unable to distract Bill Dueber from purposeful discussion 2011-02-10 11:04:04 zoia mnotess: can we change the subject to milk and cookies or something? 2011-02-10 11:04:08 BillDueber jrochkind: You were right, and I was wrong. 2011-02-10 11:04:23 duspal ejk: No face? I can handle that fine. My weirdness meter is a bit off.... 2011-02-10 11:04:24 eby @eightball is everyone wrong 2011-02-10 11:04:24 zoia eby: Come again? 2011-02-10 11:04:42 BillDueber Why do people think it's easier to read stuff on a black background?????? 2011-02-10 11:04:47 akorphan This interface is simpler than JIRA, that's for sure. 2011-02-10 11:04:57 jrochkind but I think this is an example of 'the user is not always right'. Some users will be searching for 'rayon' and MEAN the fabric. Just cause one user didn't, you can't just go ahead and change your whole app. 2011-02-10 11:05:01 flyingzumwalt BillDueber: because it is. 2011-02-10 11:05:03 anarchivist akorphan: they use JIRA too 2011-02-10 11:05:09 KingNightWolf that's what she said 2011-02-10 11:05:11 jrochkind Often our users specs are "the computer should read my mind and do what I meant." I can not write that software. 2011-02-10 11:05:32 BillDueber flyingzumwalt: Defeated me with the crushing grip of your impeccable logic yet again. 2011-02-10 11:05:43 flyingzumwalt @rate "black background" "white background" "unicorn rainbows" 2011-02-10 11:05:46 atz BillDueber: it's the default for a lot of terminals 2011-02-10 11:05:48 akorphan jrochkind: "Not the user's problem." 2011-02-10 11:05:48 zoia flyingzumwalt: black background: 7.7; white background: 5.9; unicorn rainbows: 10.0. unicorn rainbows rocks! 2011-02-10 11:05:51 lbjay yo dawg, ... ah, whatever 2011-02-10 11:06:03 jrochkind why isn't it really what we want? 2011-02-10 11:06:03 duspal BillDueber: I dont know for everyday programming, but every book and class on communication recommended dark background, light text for slides at least 2011-02-10 11:06:04 mbklein GOP CAGE MATCH: “I will not call [Rick Santorum] the knuckle-dragging Neanderthal,“ Palin continued. “I'll let his wife call him that instead.“ 2011-02-10 11:06:15 anna3lc BillDueber: i don't think it's easier to read necessarily; it's just easier to look at for long periods of tme without burning my retinas 2011-02-10 11:06:15 flyingzumwalt BillDueber: zoia has spoken 2011-02-10 11:06:27 anna3lc zoia++ 2011-02-10 11:06:34 dbs BillDueber: WWSJD? (where SJ = Steve Jobs) 2011-02-10 11:06:39 akorphan "The trashheap has spoken!" 2011-02-10 11:06:45 pberry mbklein: Oh snap 2011-02-10 11:06:49 KingNightWolf Steve Jobs++ 2011-02-10 11:06:50 ejk akorphan++ 2011-02-10 11:07:00 jrochkind textmate, huh? Maybe i should get them to buy me textmate 2011-02-10 11:07:07 BillDueber jrochkind: You can't read their mind. But you *can* make sure that when they see your results, they can, at worst, think "Oh. That's what they're doing. I can see why they might do that." You know. If your user isn't an idiot, anyway. 2011-02-10 11:07:08 rsinger http://superuser.com/questions/231273/what-are-the-windows-a-and-b-drives-used-for 2011-02-10 11:07:10 ecorrado ecorrado wonders if you fixed this, what the fix could have broke elsewhere # had that problem with relevancy ranking at last job 2011-02-10 11:07:12 mbklein textmate++ 2011-02-10 11:07:14 bess jrochkind: textmate++ 2011-02-10 11:07:16 pberry textmate++ 2011-02-10 11:07:16 MrDys MrDys waits for jrochkind's head to explode 2011-02-10 11:07:18 anarchivist textmate++ 2011-02-10 11:07:20 decasm_ (g)vim++ 2011-02-10 11:07:26 mtomko textmate looks like a nice-ish editor, but I wonder if it's enough to get me to stop using macvim or eclipse... 2011-02-10 11:07:29 anarchivist anarchivist will be waiting for textmate 2 forever, thoguh 2011-02-10 11:07:30 bess ecorrado: that's why you're constantly developing your test suite 2011-02-10 11:07:36 mbklein rsinger: ow. I think my bones just turned to dust reading that question. 2011-02-10 11:07:37 jtgorman fiddling_bits_on_disk++ 2011-02-10 11:07:45 bmljenny I like light text on dark, but not if I have to keep switching to other interfaces frequently. End up with retina burn in 2011-02-10 11:07:52 MrDys jrochkind: they bought tm for me. it's mac-only 2011-02-10 11:07:57 bess ecorrado: when you make a change, you run all the tests & see if it broke anything else & then evaluate how important the broken ones are — does one trup the other? 2011-02-10 11:08:02 pberry TM2 is the Duke Nukem Forever of text editors 2011-02-10 11:08:05 jrochkind if one user says "when I search for rayon I just want to see the french results", the next day another user will report a problem "I searched for rayon and all I got was this french crap" 2011-02-10 11:08:06 bess s/trup/trump/ 2011-02-10 11:08:10 rsinger mbklein: can you repeat that into my ear horn, please? 2011-02-10 11:08:25 KingNightWolf pberry++ 2011-02-10 11:08:30 ecorrado bess: how are you going o test every possible search a user is going to make? 2011-02-10 11:08:42 bess ecorrado: you're not, but you can test the ones people complain about 2011-02-10 11:08:44 mbklein pberry: "I came here to write code and chew gum. And I'll all out of gum." 2011-02-10 11:08:47 tokeee tokeee thinks that tweaking for specific results using generic knobs very quickly gets impossible. The only way to do that is to make specific rules 2011-02-10 11:08:50 rjhoyle The search was not for "Rayon", the search was for "Le Rayon Vert" 2011-02-10 11:08:52 ecorrado again, squeaky wheel problem 2011-02-10 11:08:53 mbklein rsinger: EH?! 2011-02-10 11:08:59 jtgorman jrochkind: well, I think that's why they made it clear that it was the full name 2011-02-10 11:09:02 jaron ecorrado: this is like exception driven development 2011-02-10 11:09:03 mtomko tokeee: in my experience, you're right. 2011-02-10 11:09:23 lbjay @band add the generic knobs 2011-02-10 11:09:23 zoia lbjay: Band 'the generic knobs' added to list 2011-02-10 11:09:30 akorphan this kind of language bothers me for the same reason as Wolfram Alpha: you have to guess as to what KIND of natural language the interface is expecting, and if you don't guess right, the results are unpredictable. 2011-02-10 11:09:41 dbs (g)vim++ # have to agree with decasm occasionally 2011-02-10 11:09:41 duspal Steve Jobs -- wanna stick it to the man? Buy Apple products. You'll teach those corporate squares a lesson! Let Steve control all your hardware, software and download needs, in the name of counterculture! Yea! Down with the fascists! Steve's word is law! 2011-02-10 11:09:44 freqlurker akorphan++ 2011-02-10 11:09:46 bmljenny akorphan++ 2011-02-10 11:09:49 pberry lolcats++ 2011-02-10 11:09:51 dbs duspal++ 2011-02-10 11:09:51 lbjay vim++ 2011-02-10 11:09:53 atz i agree you can end up chasing your tail if you just go on (unfiltered) complaints 2011-02-10 11:09:53 anarchivist akorphan: in re: cucumber? 2011-02-10 11:09:53 pyott we need a testing framework call mall-rat 2011-02-10 11:10:02 akorphan anarchivist: yeah 2011-02-10 11:10:04 lbjay @fight webrat lolcat 2011-02-10 11:10:05 zoia lbjay: lolcat: 112000, webrat: 5530 2011-02-10 11:10:19 akorphan granted, I am guessing cucumber is at least documented somewhere 2011-02-10 11:10:20 fumi rspec++ 2011-02-10 11:10:21 atz but you should use user feedback to make yourself *aware* of issues (if not dictate fixing them) 2011-02-10 11:10:22 mtomko I think you would need a very large corpus of tests in order to avoid overfitting. 2011-02-10 11:10:24 anarchivist akorphan: the documentation is pretty good, but it does take a little training to get other people to write things properly 2011-02-10 11:10:24 jaron akorphan: you make up the language. you write your own steps so it can be the language your users would use 2011-02-10 11:10:31 duspal pberry++ for the Duke Nukem reference 2011-02-10 11:10:31 akorphan but the natural languageness of it gives a false sense of empowerment 2011-02-10 11:10:34 lbjay duspal++ # preach it, brother 2011-02-10 11:10:37 bess mtomko: yes, you do need a large copus of tests 2011-02-10 11:10:38 robcaSSon cucumber is rails-only, correct? 2011-02-10 11:10:45 bmljenny R S P E C find out what it means to me 2011-02-10 11:10:49 anarchivist robcaSSon: ruby only 2011-02-10 11:10:51 bess robcaSSon: nope, it's not even ruby-only 2011-02-10 11:10:55 robcaSSon gotcha 2011-02-10 11:10:55 lbjay robcaSSon: nope 2011-02-10 11:10:58 anarchivist ah, right 2011-02-10 11:10:58 erikhatcher robcaSSon: cucumber is Ruby, but can hit any sites, etc 2011-02-10 11:11:02 BillDueber robcaSSon: Nope. Cuke is a generic system with some special hoks for rails 2011-02-10 11:11:05 robcaSSon youse_guys++ 2011-02-10 11:11:08 bess anarchivist: it used to be but it has bindings for other languages these days 2011-02-10 11:11:16 anarchivist bess: yeah, i keep forgetting that 2011-02-10 11:11:18 eby i forget who all asked (bess, some others) but http://www.threadless.com/product/1020/November_Was_A_Good_Month 2011-02-10 11:11:21 lbjay robcaSSon: i thought it was too, but ndushay learned me different 2011-02-10 11:11:26 erikhatcher we just put in screenshot capability into our cuke runs (for our product documentation) 2011-02-10 11:11:29 bess eby++ thanks! 2011-02-10 11:11:33 flyingzumwalt robcaSSon: there are implementations in other languages 2011-02-10 11:11:40 flyingzumwalt ie Php - cucumber - GitHub 2011-02-10 11:11:42 anna3lc threadless++ 2011-02-10 11:11:47 flyingzumwalt oops. https://github.com/aslakhellesoy/cucumber/wiki/PHP 2011-02-10 11:11:49 pmurray Breaking News, for those that haven't been keeping track... 2011-02-10 11:11:52 akorphan slop++ 2011-02-10 11:11:53 pmurray @twit --id 35730167292903424 2011-02-10 11:11:53 zoia pmurray: <AJELive> The CIA chief reportedly says there is a "strong likelihood" Mubarak will step down tonight #egypt #jan25 2011-02-10 11:11:55 tokeee tokeee is thinking about mining logs (user searched for X, clicked result #Y in the list) to get a large corpus of tests like the ones shown, then doing some genetic algorithm learning-thingie to get the best compromise 2011-02-10 11:11:59 jrochkind robcaSSon: yeah, cucumber is simply automating access to an http app. people definitely use it for testing non-ruby apps, cause they like it's design. 2011-02-10 11:12:08 jaron erikhatcher: i'm interested in that feature, since i do headless (but in a real browser running in the background) javascript testing 2011-02-10 11:12:12 atz $5 deal. nice 2011-02-10 11:12:13 mbklein yo_bj: "Do you want me to order a pizza?" "Whatever, I don't care." "I already ordered a pizza." 2011-02-10 11:12:14 BillDueber pmurray++ # for reminding us of the world beyond the IMU 2011-02-10 11:12:16 anarchivist http://ngrams.googlelabs.com/graph?content=Vampire,zombie,werewolf,MARC&year_start=1800&year_end=2000&corpus=0&smoothing=3 2011-02-10 11:12:21 bmljenny tokeee: That makes more sense to me 2011-02-10 11:12:23 lbjay pmurray-- # distracting 2011-02-10 11:12:26 mtomko tokeee: in my old job we used to use genetic algorithms to generate matching rules based on tagged data, and it worked really well. 2011-02-10 11:12:55 jaron tokeee: that'd be interesting too--mining logs for clicks 2011-02-10 11:12:58 mtomko I assume they still do use a genetic algorithm to do it because it was very effective. 2011-02-10 11:12:58 julia_ tokeee: That's assuming users give you click feedback, and don't just write down the call numbers they want from the browse screen. 2011-02-10 11:13:01 flyingzumwalt I've even seen people use cucumber to test deployments on vmware -- tests whether nagios is happy, etc. 2011-02-10 11:13:05 bmljenny tokeee: But wish we had more satisfaction indicators as to whether user LIKED #n 2011-02-10 11:13:12 yo_bj mbklein: "You think about everything, ha ha ha. " 2011-02-10 11:13:17 robcaSSon robcaSSon: use google, ya jackass 2011-02-10 11:13:18 awead nagios++ 2011-02-10 11:13:20 tokeee mtomko: Interesting. My main concern is that it only works for displayed results, so it is of little use if the original relevance ranking really sucks 2011-02-10 11:13:21 anna3lc anarchivist++ 2011-02-10 11:13:21 atz flyingzumwalt: interested 2011-02-10 11:13:23 akorphan jThreadless has had a dearth of robot themed shirts lately... 2011-02-10 11:13:28 BillDueber julia_: That's what I was thnking. My users don't exercise enough of my system for me to get much data. 2011-02-10 11:13:40 mbklein yo_bj++ # I spent far too long watching clips the other night 2011-02-10 11:13:40 highermath I think that Cucumber is platform agnostic for webapps 2011-02-10 11:13:42 tokeee bmljenny: The user loaning a book is somewhat of an indicator 2011-02-10 11:13:58 mnotess suddenly realized this isn't a lightning talk 2011-02-10 11:14:04 mtomko tokee: that's true - in our case, we had a lot of manually tagged data where people went past the top 10 results.. but I still sometimes worried about overfitting (as discussed above) 2011-02-10 11:14:05 yo_bj mbklein: have you seen the entire film, or just the clips? 2011-02-10 11:14:14 mnotess short_attention_span-- 2011-02-10 11:14:17 BillDueber tokeee: There's no reason you have to use webrat. You could write tests against a straight-up solr search (or whatever) and get as many results as you want. Code is not hard. 2011-02-10 11:14:19 bmljenny tokeee: True... How wd you link that back up to orig search? 2011-02-10 11:14:20 julia_ tokeee: How do you match searches to checkouts? 2011-02-10 11:14:27 mbklein yo_bj: Just the clips. 2011-02-10 11:14:34 eby also of interest for this crowd http://www.threadless.com/product/157/Afternoon_Delight 2011-02-10 11:14:36 robcaSSon sometimes 2011-02-10 11:14:45 atz yeah, not really 2011-02-10 11:14:49 mbklein eby++ 2011-02-10 11:14:57 tokeee bmljenny, julia_: We have a tightly integrated system so that parts is not a problem 2011-02-10 11:15:04 duspal crickets++ 2011-02-10 11:15:05 bohyunkim eby: lol 2011-02-10 11:15:07 robcaSSon eby++ threadless++ 2011-02-10 11:15:11 anarchivist akorphan: look through ndushay's feature sets - http://www.stanford.edu/~ndushay/code4lib2011/searching_features/boolean.feature # for example 2011-02-10 11:15:12 flyingzumwalt atz:Behavior Driven Infrastructure: http://www.slideshare.net/jhulten/behavior-driven-infrastructure-200101 2011-02-10 11:15:12 highermath Anyone using Splunk? 2011-02-10 11:15:14 atz librarians expect all kinds of magic and hacks from legacy systems that no longer apply 2011-02-10 11:15:16 yo_bj mbklein: You need to watch the film for the full experience. I recommend watching it alone first before going to a theater showing, so you can catch all the awful dialog 2011-02-10 11:15:17 jrochkind totally. 50% of error reports I get is "the feature is broken, here's a screen shot." 2011-02-10 11:15:22 bmljenny tokeee: A user has to be logged in to search? 2011-02-10 11:15:24 BillDueber BillDueber has been thinking of taking all those record ids I recorded showing that someone looked hard at a record and a chceckout in the next 24 hours. Of course, lots of our stuff doesn't circulate. 2011-02-10 11:15:24 jrochkind um, thanks! Okay, it's fixed, here's a screen shot! 2011-02-10 11:15:32 awead highermath: I used an install of it 2011-02-10 11:15:35 atz flyingzumwalt++ #thx 2011-02-10 11:15:49 flyingzumwalt atz: How Hudson Hit Puppet with a Cucumber http://www.slideshare.net/jedi4ever/hudson-hit-puppet-with-a-cucumber 2011-02-10 11:15:50 mbklein anarchivist: Vampires overtook MARK in 1994. Damn those teenagers. 2011-02-10 11:15:57 jrochkind BillDueber: what'd you do with that? Just data on what people checked out as a result of finding in the catalog? 2011-02-10 11:15:58 tokeee bmljenny: No, but to loan a book it is a requirement and our system merges the states from before login to after 2011-02-10 11:16:05 ranti eby++ 2011-02-10 11:16:10 duspal team_jacob++ 2011-02-10 11:16:12 akorphan mbklein: One thing I never could stand about Santa Clara... 2011-02-10 11:16:12 BillDueber jrochkind: Yeah, but that's just training. I mean, my god, if someone managed to train them to get a screen shot and send it, you can re-train them to file a better bug report. 2011-02-10 11:16:19 flyingzumwalt @ana shiny knobs 2011-02-10 11:16:19 zoia flyingzumwalt: In shy knobs 2011-02-10 11:16:28 flyingzumwalt zoia-- 2011-02-10 11:16:31 eby @hussein shiny knobs 2011-02-10 11:16:31 mbklein s/MARK/MARC/ 2011-02-10 11:16:31 ejk Double Unicorn... All The Way 2011-02-10 11:16:31 zoia eby: Boyishness in hunks 2011-02-10 11:16:36 anarchivist @sing echo and the bunnymen : the puppet 2011-02-10 11:16:37 jtgorman jtgorman would take at least a screenshot 2011-02-10 11:16:38 zoia you knew about this / with your head in your hands / all along / i was the puppet 2011-02-10 11:16:38 jrochkind BillDueber: i'm trying, i'm trying. but they have to be capable of explaining in logic words what's wrong. 2011-02-10 11:16:41 robcaSSon ndushay++ 2011-02-10 11:16:49 pmurray test_driven_deployments++ 2011-02-10 11:17:00 BigD highermath: do you still have a spot in your car? 2011-02-10 11:17:01 jtgorman rather than "is the internet working?" 2011-02-10 11:17:11 jtgorman "no, no it's not. Someone sat on it." 2011-02-10 11:17:12 BillDueber jrochkind: It'd be nice to build a correlation as an indication that people are actually interested in those records, as opposed to just seeing if there's an elink they didn't know about or something. 2011-02-10 11:17:14 mbklein jrochkind: "What were you doing just before that error happened?" "MY JOB! NOW DO YOURS AND FIX IT!" 2011-02-10 11:17:24 flyingzumwalt @quote ndushay: Zap 'em back with super love! 2011-02-10 11:17:24 jrochkind mbklein: hehehe 2011-02-10 11:17:24 highermath BigD: as of a few moments ago, yes 2011-02-10 11:17:26 zoia flyingzumwalt: stop affrontin' 2011-02-10 11:17:26 BillDueber mbklein++ 2011-02-10 11:17:28 julia_ jrochkind: I'm just happy when I *get* bug reports. I cannot for the life of me get students to report problems -- I never hear that something isn't working until a faculty member reports it. 2011-02-10 11:17:30 bmljenny tokeee: Cool! 2011-02-10 11:17:37 tokeee Of course we also encounter hard requirements, but those are mostly from librarians 2011-02-10 11:17:43 jrochkind julia_: I don't get students OR faculty reporting problems. Only librarians. 2011-02-10 11:17:43 akorphan Hmm, this slide looks... familiar... 2011-02-10 11:17:43 ejk ejk claps 2011-02-10 11:17:45 jaron ndushay++ 2011-02-10 11:17:47 ranti ndushay++ 2011-02-10 11:17:48 lbjay ndushay++ 2011-02-10 11:17:48 BigD highermath: can i please reserve a spot for joy sargis? 2011-02-10 11:17:54 bess ndushay++ 2011-02-10 11:17:55 anna3lc ndushay++ 2011-02-10 11:17:59 BillDueber julia_: Students tend to assume they screwed up. Faculty never assume they screwed up. 2011-02-10 11:18:00 anarchivist ndushay++ 2011-02-10 11:18:01 jrochkind yeah, nice presentation 2011-02-10 11:18:05 lbjay ecorrado++ # /me lol'd 2011-02-10 11:18:05 bess bye everyone! gotta catch a ride with ndushay! 2011-02-10 11:18:11 mnotess red_laptop_covers++ 2011-02-10 11:18:11 duspal ndushay++ 2011-02-10 11:18:12 mbklein Gotta head to the airport, folks. Good con, y'all. 2011-02-10 11:18:12 anarchivist bess: bye! 2011-02-10 11:18:13 MrDys ndushay++ 2011-02-10 11:18:15 BillDueber ndushay++ 2011-02-10 11:18:15 anarchivist anarchivist hugs bess 2011-02-10 11:18:17 awead bess: cya 2011-02-10 11:18:17 cbeer ndushay++ 2011-02-10 11:18:18 robcaSSon bess++ # safe travelling 2011-02-10 11:18:19 tokeee bmljenny: Actually it is. Not my doing though, I have little clue when it comes to web-things. Mads is the wizard on that 2011-02-10 11:18:22 MrDys mbklein: get outta heeeeuh 2011-02-10 11:18:22 bmljenny BigD: You leaving today? 2011-02-10 11:18:23 eby @dunno add can i see a screenshot? 2011-02-10 11:18:23 zoia eby: The operation succeeded. Dunno #1129 added. 2011-02-10 11:18:27 duspal red++ Red makes the laptop go faster 2011-02-10 11:18:28 julia_ BillDueber: I like that explanation. 2011-02-10 11:18:28 jrochkind BillDueber: neither students nor faculty care enough -- it didn't work, okay try something else, or give up on finding what i need through the library, the library is always broken anwyay 2011-02-10 11:18:29 anna3lc bye bess and naomi save travels 2011-02-10 11:18:30 highermath BigD: I will put it in the wiki, thus making it real 2011-02-10 11:18:34 flyingzumwalt ndushay++ 2011-02-10 11:18:34 BigD bmljenny: nope, joy is 2011-02-10 11:18:36 anna3lc s/save/safe 2011-02-10 11:18:38 ejk @dunno 2011-02-10 11:18:38 zoia ejk: I don't know what you just said because I was thinking about Batman 2011-02-10 11:18:40 BigD highermath: i'm doing that now 2011-02-10 11:18:43 dchud ksclarke's beard is seriously intimidating 2011-02-10 11:18:46 bmljenny BigD: Whatcha doin finite? 2011-02-10 11:18:47 jrochkind ndushay++ good presentation 2011-02-10 11:18:53 atz later bess 2011-02-10 11:18:53 mnotess @dunno 2011-02-10 11:18:54 zoia mnotess: Let me see you get down! <<NO WAY>> Let me see you get down! <<OK>> D-O-W-N, let me see you get down! 2011-02-10 11:18:56 flyingzumwal flyingzumwal wonders whether the quote function is broken? 2011-02-10 11:18:57 bmljenny BigD: Damn autocorrect, tonite 2011-02-10 11:19:03 yo_bj I'm pretty sure that there will be some code4libbers needing this after the conference: http://articles.cnn.com/2011-02-08/tech/confession.ap_1_new-app-confession-catholic-priests?_s=PM:TECH 2011-02-10 11:19:05 erikhatcher twiddling_shiny_knobs++ 2011-02-10 11:19:09 ejk TO THE CLOUD 2011-02-10 11:19:16 MrDys @quote random 2011-02-10 11:19:16 erikhatcher ndushay++ # nicely done! 2011-02-10 11:19:16 zoia MrDys: Quote #2116: "*robcaSSon waits to be @quoted" (added by eby at 02:19 PM, January 13, 2010) 2011-02-10 11:19:16 pjb1 data++ 2011-02-10 11:19:26 erikhatcher Mmmmm, bacon 2011-02-10 11:19:31 flyingzumwalt MrDys: how do you add a quote? 2011-02-10 11:19:35 BigD highermath: well, i'm trying... web is slow... 2011-02-10 11:19:42 akorphan UPLOAD WEB GRID 3.0 TO THE CYBERINFRASTRUCTURE CLOUD! 2011-02-10 11:19:44 mnotess reposophere++ 2011-02-10 11:19:44 MrDys flyingzumwalt: @quote add, but you have to be auth'd with zoia 2011-02-10 11:19:45 duspal Hey Cloud, 1975 called. Its wants its server/dumb terminal system back. 2011-02-10 11:19:49 lbjay ksclarke++ 2011-02-10 11:19:51 BigD bmljenny: no plan yet. 2011-02-10 11:19:52 anarchivist ksclarke++ 2011-02-10 11:19:53 atz dchud: meh, it's a'ight 2011-02-10 11:19:56 anarchivist wormbase++ 2011-02-10 11:19:56 erikhatcher superlove! 2011-02-10 11:19:57 highermath BigD: it's done 2011-02-10 11:20:02 BigD highermath: thanks! 2011-02-10 11:20:09 rsinger @dunno search <<NO WAY>> 2011-02-10 11:20:11 zoia rsinger: 1 found: #542: "Let me see you get down! <<NO WAY>> Let me see..." 2011-02-10 11:20:14 dchud atz: your beard should have its own nick 2011-02-10 11:20:19 rsinger @dunno get 542 2011-02-10 11:20:20 zoia rsinger: Dunno #542: "Let me see you get down! <<NO WAY>> Let me see you get down! <<OK>> D-O-W-N, let me see you get down!" (added by rsinger at 02:49 PM, September 15, 2009) 2011-02-10 11:20:27 rsinger ok, thought so 2011-02-10 11:20:33 BillDueber Up to an hour????? 2011-02-10 11:20:45 anna3lc @karma anna3lc 2011-02-10 11:20:45 zoia anna3lc: Karma for "anna3lc" has been increased 21 times and decreased 1 time for a total karma of 20. 2011-02-10 11:20:56 eby @dunno add let me try turning this shiny knob 2011-02-10 11:20:56 zoia eby: The operation succeeded. Dunno #1130 added. 2011-02-10 11:20:57 tokeee tokeee is thinking about how to merge an auto-tuning approach with specific rules dictated by librarians (and possibly users). Worst of both worlds seems a likely outcome 2011-02-10 11:21:03 akorphan @karma naps 2011-02-10 11:21:03 zoia akorphan: naps has neutral karma. 2011-02-10 11:21:06 robcaSSon tokeee++ 2011-02-10 11:21:08 akorphan naps++ 2011-02-10 11:21:08 dchud anybody interested in going to shapiro's for lunch in downtown indy after we finish 2011-02-10 11:21:09 dchud ? 2011-02-10 11:21:17 lbjay this talk is so relevant to some of the folks here. i wish i'd sent out a link to the live feed. 2011-02-10 11:21:23 MrDys @ana autotune the librarians 2011-02-10 11:21:24 zoia MrDys: That burlier nauseation 2011-02-10 11:21:24 anarchivist dchud: maybe 2011-02-10 11:21:27 BillDueber tokeee: I'd love any references you can give me to the auto tuning stuff. 2011-02-10 11:21:28 pjb1 shapiros++ 2011-02-10 11:21:28 dchud @zoia shapiros is http://www.shapiros.com/menu.htm 2011-02-10 11:21:29 zoia dchud: paper cutter 2011-02-10 11:21:32 akorphan zoia++ 2011-02-10 11:21:37 dchud zoia: bagel cutter? 2011-02-10 11:21:37 zoia dchud: your problem is either too many or not enough alcoholic beverages consumed 2011-02-10 11:21:46 dchud zoia: you understand me all too well 2011-02-10 11:21:46 zoia dchud: Messages may pop up onto your screen. Ignore these messages until you are prompted to Restart or Shutdown your PC 2011-02-10 11:21:58 atz it's interesting... when ppl expect to *determine* the #1 result of a search, we're not talking about search anymore, we're talking about retrieval. 2011-02-10 11:22:04 MrDys @levenshtein freebase treebase 2011-02-10 11:22:05 zoia MrDys: The Levenshtein distance between "freebase" and "treebase" is 1. 2011-02-10 11:22:19 dchud anarchivist: cool, let's check in when we finish. 2011-02-10 11:22:20 JodiS zombies4lib 2011-02-10 11:22:27 BillDueber atz: Our systems need to be good at both. It's like a futon. 2011-02-10 11:22:30 dchud pjbl: interested? 2011-02-10 11:22:38 akorphan DRYAD... IN... DSPAAAAAAAACE! 2011-02-10 11:22:56 robcaSSon s/good/bad/ 2011-02-10 11:22:59 eby jrochkind: random thing i remembered. we also built a single click thing in search results for staff to let them state which item should be near the top of the results that logs search terms, facets, etc so we have some data to test any relevency tweaks against 2011-02-10 11:23:03 flyingzumwalt @quote add ndushay Zap 'em back with super love! 2011-02-10 11:23:04 zoia flyingzumwalt: The operation succeeded. Quote #2520 added. 2011-02-10 11:23:19 flyingzumwalt @quote ndushay 2011-02-10 11:23:20 zoia flyingzumwalt: Yeah, I read your article on that in the Australasian Journal of Bone & Joint Medicine 2011-02-10 11:23:24 pjb1 dchud: i normally would be but i have to hit the road 2011-02-10 11:23:30 was eby: clever idea - did you get much feedback? 2011-02-10 11:23:31 robcaSSon eby++ # good idea 2011-02-10 11:23:42 tokeee BillDueber: Sorry, I am just thinking out loud. It does seem like we're gearing up for a lot of tweaking during the spring due to political changes, but up until now the policy has been to do the minimum amount neccessary 2011-02-10 11:23:56 dchud pjb1: ah well. it's basically on my way home so i will have to make the stop :) 2011-02-10 11:23:58 eby was: yeah. staff love giving feedback esp when it is simple to do 2011-02-10 11:24:11 was eby: good point 2011-02-10 11:24:14 akorphan oof, I don't know whether I need coffee or beer, but I think I need one of them. Or both. 2011-02-10 11:24:15 davidWalker eby++ # I like that idea 2011-02-10 11:24:19 atz BillDueber: existing solution, google search ads. search is still search, ads are retrieved based on terms, in predetermined explicit order 2011-02-10 11:24:21 BillDueber tokeee: Well, once you do all the work, ping me and let me gain glory off the sweat of your brow. 2011-02-10 11:24:33 tokeee BillDueber: That sounds fair enough 2011-02-10 11:24:38 decasm_ akorphan: espresso stout 2011-02-10 11:24:52 eby stout++ 2011-02-10 11:24:55 anarchivist decasm_++ 2011-02-10 11:24:56 mnotess stout++ 2011-02-10 11:24:56 eby @love dark beers 2011-02-10 11:24:58 akorphan espresso++ 2011-02-10 11:24:58 zoia eby: The operation succeeded. eby loves dark beers. 2011-02-10 11:25:07 anarchivist @love beer 2011-02-10 11:25:09 zoia anarchivist: But anarchivist already loves beer! 2011-02-10 11:25:10 lbjay what is that service that lets you see what confs people are attending? lanyard? 2011-02-10 11:25:15 anarchivist lbjay: lanyrd 2011-02-10 11:25:20 dchud i should remember to get a rice krispie treat from that sugar-n-spice (?) place, my sister remembers them as legendary 2011-02-10 11:25:37 paulalbert Anyone have a recommendation for an alternative to InMagic??? Our archival collection's contract is coming up with InMagic and we're looking for an easy-to-implement solution that can import our data (12k photos) from InMagic. Another requirement: we have some HIPAA-protected images/descriptions. 2011-02-10 11:25:42 lbjay anarchivist++ 2011-02-10 11:25:46 gsf i wonder in these submission processes if uploading first could improve things 2011-02-10 11:25:47 pberry mbklein: Dude, are you already at the airport? 2011-02-10 11:25:47 mbklein dlovins: You around? 2011-02-10 11:25:49 bmljenny dchud: I can vouch for those 2011-02-10 11:25:50 anna3lc i think i missed something. how is dspace related to dryad and treebase? 2011-02-10 11:25:51 lbjay weird that a google for lanyard couldn't pull that up 2011-02-10 11:26:14 dchud bmljenny: well, it is decided, then 2011-02-10 11:26:14 MrDys anarchivist: dryad is a dspace instance 2011-02-10 11:26:16 flyingzumwalt @love all y'all 2011-02-10 11:26:16 eby dchud: you know off hand if they are gf rice krispie 2011-02-10 11:26:17 zoia flyingzumwalt: The operation succeeded. flyingzumwalt loves all y'all. 2011-02-10 11:26:18 pyott dryad is a dspace instance 2011-02-10 11:26:20 anarchivist anna3lc: they're using dspace for their repository infrastrucutre 2011-02-10 11:26:25 eby dchud: gf being gluten free 2011-02-10 11:26:37 akorphan "gluten-free girlfriend" 2011-02-10 11:26:39 mbklein dlovins_: Naomi & Bess are eager to go a little early. 2011-02-10 11:26:47 lbjay @band add Gluten Free Girlfriend 2011-02-10 11:26:47 zoia lbjay: Band 'Gluten Free Girlfriend' added to list 2011-02-10 11:27:03 anna3lc MrDys, anarchivist dryad is their branded dspace site? 2011-02-10 11:27:07 dchud anarchivist (or whomever): my afternoon opened up a little so i could drop you off at the airport before/after shapiro's if you need 2011-02-10 11:27:15 MrDys anna3lc: it's the backend at the very least 2011-02-10 11:27:20 anarchivist dchud: i fly out tomorrow, so no need 2011-02-10 11:27:22 lbjay Emma doesn't like to work, see. 2011-02-10 11:27:22 dchud eby: i don't, but i would assume they're not 2011-02-10 11:27:31 dchud anarchivist: oh right 2011-02-10 11:27:47 jwd shapiro's++ 2011-02-10 11:28:00 anna3lc cool thx. 2011-02-10 11:28:03 mbklein If anyone is sitting near dlovins could you give him a poke? 2011-02-10 11:28:07 rsinger @tunes 2011-02-10 11:28:09 zoia rsinger: Mogwai : Mexican Grand Prix 2011-02-10 11:28:10 anna3lc gsf: that's a cool idea; upload first 2011-02-10 11:28:10 dchud yay bagit wooh 2011-02-10 11:28:13 rsinger edsu++ 2011-02-10 11:28:24 eby @eightball will anarchivist be sitting on tarmac instead tomorrow 2011-02-10 11:28:24 zoia eby: Yes! 2011-02-10 11:28:32 lbjay There's a character in Bleak House called Mr. Bagnet 2011-02-10 11:28:44 flyingzumwalt I'm aiming for a lazy lunch at Farm today. My shuttle doesn't leave til 4:30. Anyone want to join me? 2011-02-10 11:28:47 pberry Lanyrd.com 2011-02-10 11:28:50 anarchivist @ana bagna cauda 2011-02-10 11:28:50 zoia anarchivist: A bug Canada 2011-02-10 11:28:51 robcaSSon flyingzumwalt: me 2011-02-10 11:28:55 robcaSSon maybe 2011-02-10 11:28:59 anarchivist flyingzumwalt: .... i am torn 2011-02-10 11:29:04 robcaSSon was also thinking finch's 2011-02-10 11:29:08 mnotess @fight beer bacon 2011-02-10 11:29:09 zoia mnotess: beer: 82000000, bacon: 14200000 2011-02-10 11:29:13 anarchivist robcaSSon: want to do finch's for dinner? 2011-02-10 11:29:13 robcaSSon or something else...someone decide for me 2011-02-10 11:29:15 jrochkind eby: that's pretty neat actually. then do you build automated tests like ndushay's out of it too? 2011-02-10 11:29:17 pberry flyingzumwalt: I'm on that shuttle, sounds good 2011-02-10 11:29:18 dchud anarchivst, flyingzumalt: I TEMPT YOU WITH HOT PASTRAMI 2011-02-10 11:29:23 MrDys robcaSSon: go to finch's 2011-02-10 11:29:28 decasm_ flyingzumwalt: don't trust robcaSSon - he'll switch restaurants 3 times 2011-02-10 11:29:31 robcaSSon anarchivist: finch's for dinner then 2011-02-10 11:29:32 eby jrochkind: that's the plan, haven't gotten to that point. been building the data set 2011-02-10 11:29:33 flyingzumwalt i'd do finch's too. awead recommended both. 2011-02-10 11:29:35 akorphan @rate "django reinhardt" "django haystack" 2011-02-10 11:29:36 anarchivist robcaSSon: finch's, dinner, motherhubbard 2011-02-10 11:29:37 bmljenny Folks leaving later today: Kinsey gallery open 2-4. Bow chicka bow wow 2011-02-10 11:29:38 robcaSSon decasm++ # lol 2011-02-10 11:29:40 zoia akorphan: django reinhardt: 9.9; django haystack: ?. django reinhardt rocks! 2011-02-10 11:29:43 jtgorman jtgorman is disappointed he didn't get to FARM, Finch, or Lennies... 2011-02-10 11:29:44 ecorrado 20minutetalks++ # so much better then 50 or 60 or 90 minutes 2011-02-10 11:29:45 anarchivist bmljenny++ 2011-02-10 11:29:50 robcaSSon anarchivist++ # for the decision 2011-02-10 11:29:50 mnotess @fight search browse 2011-02-10 11:29:51 zoia mnotess: search: 2510000000, browse: 857000000 2011-02-10 11:29:56 flyingzumwalt decasm: duly noted. 2011-02-10 11:29:56 MrDys 90 minute talks sound interminable 2011-02-10 11:30:00 pberry Oddly enough, I'm pberry on lanyrd 2011-02-10 11:30:03 helrond dchud: are you coming back here after shapiro's? 2011-02-10 11:30:05 julia_ ecorrado: Amen. 2011-02-10 11:30:19 jrochkind eby: talk about test driven development! you could actually automate the generation of the tests -- staff clicks, tests get written, you get notified tests are failing, you fix until they pass. Until you run into staff demands that are impossible to fulfill of course, or mutually contradictory. 2011-02-10 11:30:21 awead Finch's is a little cheaper than FARM... 2011-02-10 11:30:21 dchud helrond: wasn't planning on it, no - heading due east after 2011-02-10 11:30:25 anna3lc nice pictures 2011-02-10 11:30:47 BigD i'm in for lunch 2011-02-10 11:30:48 jrochkind awead: Finch's can be expensive, but they have a few cheaper options. 2011-02-10 11:30:51 decasm_ dchud: you drove? how long? 2011-02-10 11:30:57 helrond dchud: k thx. 2011-02-10 11:30:59 anarchivist dchud: yeah, i don't want to take you out of your way - gonna go to farm w/ flyingzumwalt 2011-02-10 11:31:02 ranti Whoever said green and purple don't match is wrong. 2011-02-10 11:31:08 dchud ksclarke: interesting that you found you didn't need sword, thanks for explaining 2011-02-10 11:31:11 anna3lc anna3lc loves the dryad logo 2011-02-10 11:31:12 BillDueber Who ran @scalia on his second point???? 2011-02-10 11:31:23 dchud decasm_: 11 hours, ~630 miles. 2011-02-10 11:31:25 eby jrochkind: yeah that's why it's good to have a larger data set. also helps regression, making sure we don't make results worse 2011-02-10 11:31:28 flyingzumwalt dchud: stay here. eat with us! 2011-02-10 11:31:30 bmljenny These slides are nice 2011-02-10 11:31:40 decasm_ dchud: damn 2011-02-10 11:31:43 lbjay @scalia the great thing about standards 2011-02-10 11:31:43 zoia lbjay: the great thing about 'standards' 2011-02-10 11:31:47 pberry flyingzumwalt: Where/when for meet up? 2011-02-10 11:31:53 dchud flyingzumwalt: guess i could always get shapiros to go for dinner on the road... 2011-02-10 11:32:00 dchud what's 'farm'? 2011-02-10 11:32:07 awead jrochkind: yes, true! 2011-02-10 11:32:08 anarchivist dchud: they provided the food for the reception 2011-02-10 11:32:10 dchud anarchivist: ah well. 2011-02-10 11:32:10 robcaSSon dchud: they catered the reception 2011-02-10 11:32:20 flyingzumwalt dchud: farm is the local/seasonal place that catered tuesday's reception 2011-02-10 11:32:21 anna3lc dchud: also they have pretty curtains 2011-02-10 11:32:23 anarchivist dchud: http://www.farm-bloomington.com/ 2011-02-10 11:32:24 bmljenny dchud: Restaurant downtown. Yummy 2011-02-10 11:32:27 dchud oh. that was good food, and i held back because we were going to zagrebs after 2011-02-10 11:32:27 lbjay pea_guacamole++ 2011-02-10 11:32:36 anarchivist @ana pea guacamole 2011-02-10 11:32:36 zoia anarchivist: Ago ace up lame 2011-02-10 11:32:41 anarchivist did mjgiarlo leave already? 2011-02-10 11:32:45 bmljenny dchud: Had the ribs last nice 2011-02-10 11:32:46 robcaSSon ksclarke++ 2011-02-10 11:32:47 mbklein And didn't they cater the reception? 2011-02-10 11:32:47 dchud farmgoers: when are you heading out? 2011-02-10 11:32:52 dchud i mean, to eat at farm 2011-02-10 11:32:57 anna3lc mbklein++ lol 2011-02-10 11:32:59 BillDueber Is there much OAI-ORE out in the wild? 2011-02-10 11:33:01 jtgorman dchud: on kirkwood 2011-02-10 11:33:11 anarchivist dchud: i'd be up right after presentations are over 2011-02-10 11:33:11 flyingzumwalt I figure give everyone time to check out after closing then meet in the lobby 2011-02-10 11:33:12 jtgorman dchud: few blocks east of the gates 2011-02-10 11:33:17 MrDys BillDueber: some, not much 2011-02-10 11:33:26 anarchivist flyingzumwalt: sounds good 2011-02-10 11:33:35 BillDueber jtgorman: West. West of the gates 2011-02-10 11:33:37 robcaSSon BigD: you 'farming' as well? 2011-02-10 11:33:37 jtgorman menu looked good when walked by them, didn't realize they did the reception 2011-02-10 11:33:46 jtgorman BillDueber: errr, right, west 2011-02-10 11:33:53 pberry We can leave our bags at the front desk I hope 2011-02-10 11:33:58 MrDys pberry: you can 2011-02-10 11:34:03 pberry Hooray 2011-02-10 11:34:08 flyingzumwalt wrap up ends at "12:15". Meet in the lobby at 12:45? 2011-02-10 11:34:11 lbjay this_talk++ 2011-02-10 11:34:18 eby jrochkind: i'm guessing half of what we'll find is that the data needed to make it relevant is missing 2011-02-10 11:34:19 dchud flyingzumwalt, anarchivist, et al.: if you'll have me, i'm in! 2011-02-10 11:34:27 bmljenny danwho: Shouldnt you be making a tote bag joke right about now? 2011-02-10 11:34:28 anarchivist dchud: yes, please join us! 2011-02-10 11:34:28 charper flyingzumwalt: et al, think I might want to join you all for FARM, but I might have to rush back - shuttle at 2:30. 2011-02-10 11:34:32 gluejar shouldn't the doi: in his urls go away? 2011-02-10 11:34:35 BigD robcaSSon: why, so you can offer to drive, then pull out, then give me yer car, then make me pay $20 to get it out? 2011-02-10 11:34:44 charper if you all don't mind another hanger on 2011-02-10 11:34:45 MrDys robcaSSon++ 2011-02-10 11:34:49 BigD robcaSSon: OR yeah, sounds good! ;) 2011-02-10 11:34:51 robcaSSon robcaSSon-- # what an asshole 2011-02-10 11:34:56 jrochkind flyingzumwalt: wait, there are fram lunch plans? 2011-02-10 11:34:57 jrochkind farm 2011-02-10 11:34:57 robcaSSon robcaSSon snorts 2011-02-10 11:34:58 dchud charper: if your shuttle isn't already booked, i can drop you at the airport 2011-02-10 11:35:01 anarchivist robcaSSon-- 2011-02-10 11:35:05 flyingzumwalt dchud charper et al sounds great. open invite 2011-02-10 11:35:09 helrond @choose bagnet or skynet 2011-02-10 11:35:09 zoia helrond: LEAVE SARAH PALIN'S CHILDREN ALONE! 2011-02-10 11:35:13 dchud flyingzumwalt: cool thx 2011-02-10 11:35:22 anna3lc ksclarke++ i am going to have to look at this later because my brain is so ded 2011-02-10 11:35:23 helrond zoia++ 2011-02-10 11:35:24 flyingzumwalt jrochkind. yep. leaving from the lobby at 12:45 2011-02-10 11:35:24 cordmata I'm in for a Farm lunch as well if there is capacity 2011-02-10 11:35:24 charper dchud: shuttle is booked, but thx for the offer 2011-02-10 11:35:28 BillDueber METS: It's whatever the hell you wanti it to be. 2011-02-10 11:35:37 bmljenny I didn't see any cake 2011-02-10 11:35:43 jrochkind flyingzumwalt: sweet, i might try to join 2011-02-10 11:35:52 anarchivist @hate mets 2011-02-10 11:35:52 zoia anarchivist: But anarchivist already hates mets! 2011-02-10 11:35:54 duspal portal++ 2011-02-10 11:35:57 robcaSSon ksclarke++ 2011-02-10 11:36:08 yo_bj robcaSSon -- 2011-02-10 11:36:21 jrochkind you hate The Mets? 2011-02-10 11:36:27 atz is that the first mercurial repo of the conf? 2011-02-10 11:36:36 decasm_ jrochkind: no, The Met 2011-02-10 11:36:37 ranti ksclarke++ 2011-02-10 11:36:38 lbjay ksclarke++ 2011-02-10 11:36:38 dchud charper: cool 2011-02-10 11:36:43 robcaSSon yo_bj++ # i'll remember that 2011-02-10 11:36:47 dchud charper: i still haven't heard about your last night in tokyo yet :( 2011-02-10 11:36:48 BillDueber ksclarke++ 2011-02-10 11:36:48 pjb1 ny_mets-- 2011-02-10 11:36:55 anarchivist @sing elton john : bennie and the jets 2011-02-10 11:36:56 zoia You're gonna hear electric music / Solid walls of sound / Say, Candy and Ronnie, have you seen them yet / But they're so spaced out, Bennie and the Jets 2011-02-10 11:37:13 pberry I'm already working on my proposal for 2012: How I learned to stop worrying and love ContentDM 6 2011-02-10 11:37:17 rsinger @who is down? 2011-02-10 11:37:17 zoia chumpanzee is down. 2011-02-10 11:37:19 robcaSSon BOB 2011-02-10 11:37:23 MrDys @scalia [sing elton john : bennie and the jets] 2011-02-10 11:37:24 zoia You're gonna hear electric music / Solid 'walls' of sound / Say, Candy and Ronnie, have you seen them yet / But they're so spaced out, Bennie and the Jets 2011-02-10 11:37:34 BillDueber You know, I read it in a magaZEE-EEEEEEEEEN 2011-02-10 11:37:35 akorphan tablets 2011-02-10 11:37:38 atz nevermind.... dryad is svn (not hg) 2011-02-10 11:37:39 akorphan lots of tablets. 2011-02-10 11:37:44 rjhoyle pberry, you think you'll see it in 2012? 2011-02-10 11:37:46 charper dchud: oh yeah. Convo was so good otherwise last night that it didn't come up. 2011-02-10 11:37:47 eefcee_ organizers++ 2011-02-10 11:37:48 lbjay iu++ 2011-02-10 11:37:52 eefcee_ iu++ 2011-02-10 11:37:52 ranti tablets overload 2011-02-10 11:37:53 davidWalker davidWalker claps 2011-02-10 11:37:54 eby @hussein gluejar 2011-02-10 11:37:54 zoia eby: Injure lush sage 2011-02-10 11:38:00 charper dchud: if not over lunch, then some other time I guess. 2011-02-10 11:38:01 eefcee_ live_stream++ 2011-02-10 11:38:01 MrDys @sing outkast : B.O.B. 2011-02-10 11:38:02 flyingzumwalt gulp 2011-02-10 11:38:02 zoia MrDys: No lyrics found for B.O.B. by outkast 2011-02-10 11:38:03 rsinger party's over? 2011-02-10 11:38:04 lbjay shoutout count: 1 2011-02-10 11:38:04 anna3lc high bar on both counts 2011-02-10 11:38:05 dchud charper: i know right? thanks for joining us! 2011-02-10 11:38:12 robcaSSon robcaSSon is turned on 2011-02-10 11:38:17 pberry rjhoyle: Sure... 2011-02-10 11:38:28 atz @sing Outkast: 808 2011-02-10 11:38:29 jtgorman wow, she looks good for that age 2011-02-10 11:38:29 zoia atz: No lyrics found for 808 by Outkast 2011-02-10 11:38:35 escowles my grandmother has a newer iphone than i have 2011-02-10 11:38:37 eefcee_ ipad++ 2011-02-10 11:38:46 akorphan tired_nondominant_arm-- 2011-02-10 11:38:50 lbjay 92? wha? 2011-02-10 11:38:55 pbinkley i remember when people made points by showing their 2-year-old children 2011-02-10 11:39:00 eby code4grandmothers++ 2011-02-10 11:39:02 flyingzumwalt @sing janelle monae 2011-02-10 11:39:03 zoia Me lost too. / Sorry I'm in a maze, / No words due... / Soar in my dreams, 2011-02-10 11:39:14 ranti eby++ 2011-02-10 11:39:15 flyingzumwalt code4grandmothers++ 2011-02-10 11:39:23 atz I gave my reference librarian mom a kindle for xmas... need to check if she's actually used it 2011-02-10 11:39:25 BillDueber Books: owning++ renting-- 2011-02-10 11:39:49 akorphan owning++ 'owning'_an_access_license_for_cointent-- 2011-02-10 11:39:57 MrDys hard_numbers++ 2011-02-10 11:40:03 BillDueber And it's woth pointing out that with ebooks, $1B revenue is pretty damn close to $1B profit 2011-02-10 11:40:11 bmljenny How many ebooks do you have on the device in front of you right now? 2011-02-10 11:40:12 dchud @sing moxy fruvous : my baby loves a bunch of authors 2011-02-10 11:40:12 BillDueber akorphan++ # much better 2011-02-10 11:40:12 zoia dchud: No lyrics found for my baby loves a bunch of authors by moxy fruvous 2011-02-10 11:40:31 anarchivist @sing people under the stairs : 43 labels i like 2011-02-10 11:40:32 zoia anarchivist: No lyrics found for 43 labels i like by people under the stairs 2011-02-10 11:40:33 tbw x 2011-02-10 11:40:37 julia_ moxy_fruvous++ #never heard of anybody who didn't go to college with me who knew about them. 2011-02-10 11:40:38 dchud @sing talking heads : the book i read 2011-02-10 11:40:39 zoia I'm tipping over backwards / I'm so ambitious / I'm looking back I'm / Running a race and you're the book I read so 2011-02-10 11:40:41 pberry Every book ever written delivered anywhere anytime. Damn you, Qwest! You promised I could ride the light. 2011-02-10 11:40:43 eby about 40ish 2011-02-10 11:40:55 akorphan who doesn't know about moxy fruvous? 2011-02-10 11:40:56 lbjay purty 2011-02-10 11:40:59 dchud julia_: you are amongst friends 2011-02-10 11:41:10 escowles bmljenny: 50+ 2011-02-10 11:41:19 flyingzumwalt britannia++ 2011-02-10 11:41:20 jrochkind jrochkind is not sure why people voted for this presentation 2011-02-10 11:41:23 gsf @damlev england ireland 2011-02-10 11:41:24 zoia gsf: The Damerau-Levenshtein distance between "england" and "ireland" is 3. 2011-02-10 11:41:27 erikhatcher iu++ 2011-02-10 11:41:31 ian___ I love tinity library, 2011-02-10 11:41:33 flyingzumwalt trinitylibrary++ 2011-02-10 11:41:35 escowles bmljenny: plus the tubes of course 2011-02-10 11:41:37 ian___ they have the book of kells there 2011-02-10 11:41:41 akorphan @sing Traditional : Jerusalem 2011-02-10 11:41:42 zoia akorphan: No lyrics found for Jerusalem by Traditional 2011-02-10 11:41:44 lbjay jrochkind: because he has interesting things to say frequently 2011-02-10 11:41:44 dchud obsolescence is relative 2011-02-10 11:41:45 duspal ireland++ 2011-02-10 11:41:51 ian___ guinness++ 2011-02-10 11:41:54 yo_bj book_of_kells++ 2011-02-10 11:41:54 erikhatcher darn, i thought it'd be XML 2011-02-10 11:41:55 ecorrado @fight ireland england 2011-02-10 11:41:56 zoia ecorrado: ireland: 216000000, england: 194000000 2011-02-10 11:41:59 duspal ian___++ 2011-02-10 11:41:59 dchud when the power goes out paper will still be a great technology 2011-02-10 11:42:07 anna3lc book_of_kells++ 2011-02-10 11:42:11 gsf nice to get high-level again -- it's like a closing keynote 2011-02-10 11:42:15 yo_bj dchud++ 2011-02-10 11:42:21 lbjay gsf: zactly 2011-02-10 11:42:22 atz akorphan: the disaster is that DRM'd books that you "own", are completely dependent on the VENDOR and SERVERs you get them from. 2011-02-10 11:42:27 eby dchud: except the fire that accompanies the power drop 2011-02-10 11:42:27 bmljenny Publishers dancing on the grave of first-sale doctrine 2011-02-10 11:42:33 duspal dchud: You can read in the dark? 2011-02-10 11:42:34 akorphan atz: exactly. 2011-02-10 11:42:35 paulalbert This presentation is good, but I would have expected multiple Celtic fonts. 2011-02-10 11:42:35 ecorrado growing_up-- 2011-02-10 11:42:38 danwho e-popupbooks need 3D glasses. kinda a drag. 2011-02-10 11:42:39 atz i.e., you cannot use your ownership to go to a different vendor 2011-02-10 11:42:44 tokeee dchud: Designing a civilization to survive technological stoneage is not really feasible 2011-02-10 11:42:51 akorphan duspal: Books are both an information recording medium AND a form of kindling. 2011-02-10 11:42:51 dchud duspal, eby: by the firelight 2011-02-10 11:42:55 julia_ bmljenny: Exactly. 2011-02-10 11:42:57 atz you cannot use your ownership to host the DRM'd content yourself. 2011-02-10 11:42:58 akorphan @damlev kindle kindling 2011-02-10 11:42:58 zoia akorphan: The Damerau-Levenshtein distance between "kindle" and "kindling" is 3. 2011-02-10 11:42:59 lbjay shoutout count: 2 2011-02-10 11:43:01 ranti danwho++ # lol 2011-02-10 11:43:02 atz you own basically jack 2011-02-10 11:43:04 gsf it's as if we're surfacing from the depths of code4lib 2011-02-10 11:43:06 ian___ vallum is hard to burn :( 2011-02-10 11:43:09 dchud tokeee: that's the trick - we don't have to, it already is 2011-02-10 11:43:10 ian___ vellum 2011-02-10 11:43:11 pberry Libraries are not just for dead tree storage. Right? 2011-02-10 11:43:13 jaf hell, all we need are persistent identifiers and all will be fine 2011-02-10 11:43:16 escowles atz: unless the drm is broken and you can convert to whatever formatcough* kindle * cough* 2011-02-10 11:43:17 anarchivist valium++ 2011-02-10 11:43:17 lbjay gsf++ 2011-02-10 11:43:18 duspal eby: You can read you book by the light of the burning books... 2011-02-10 11:43:23 BillDueber Libraries are quickly becoming places that do almost nothing but negotiate contracts iwth vendors for access 2011-02-10 11:43:30 atz escowles: oh? do tell. 2011-02-10 11:43:34 BillDueber hyperbole++ of course 2011-02-10 11:43:36 robcaSSon BillDueber: aka, wallets 2011-02-10 11:43:36 rsinger edsu: i am seriously digging this 2011-02-10 11:43:39 dchud looks like an academic press title 2011-02-10 11:43:56 tokeee dchud: I this we need to define what the words mean over a beer and a gin'n'tonic 2011-02-10 11:44:03 bmljenny In age of ebooks, libraries are the advocates again for the have-nots. In the tea party era, this is not a safe position. 2011-02-10 11:44:04 pberry Think he'll show a Laffer Curve? 2011-02-10 11:44:05 gsf lbjay: sounds like it's working for you remotely as well, which is awesome 2011-02-10 11:44:06 ranti BillDueber: in other words, as a broker 2011-02-10 11:44:12 dchud tokeee: that's a good idea 2011-02-10 11:44:17 pjb1 bmljenny++ 2011-02-10 11:44:21 duspal OOO Industrial Engineering and Optimzation Modeling! Taking me back to college 2011-02-10 11:44:27 jtgorman I've always wondered how many books end up selling mostly to libraries 2011-02-10 11:44:28 dchud pberry: trickle-down kindlenomics 2011-02-10 11:44:35 akorphan linear_programming++ 2011-02-10 11:44:37 escowles atz: http://boingboing.net/2011/01/15/howto-break-kindle-b.html # calibre++ 2011-02-10 11:44:38 lbjay gsf: it's pretty great. except for the people who keep tapping me on the shoulder. 2011-02-10 11:44:44 julia_ jtgorman: Probably the vast majority of them? 2011-02-10 11:44:46 BillDueber ranti: Yes, but with weirdnesses. For example, our customers (patrons) and the people that pay (legislatures, for many of us) aren't the same people and probably have conflicting goals. 2011-02-10 11:44:47 pberry Something D-O-O 2011-02-10 11:45:00 duspal Wonder if he used Lindo to generate his optimization model.... 2011-02-10 11:45:06 akorphan "What D-O-O economics? Anyone? Anyone?" 2011-02-10 11:45:13 jtgorman julia_: yeah, I've just never seen actual percentages. Particularly though for academic works 2011-02-10 11:45:22 ranti BilDueber: indeed. 2011-02-10 11:45:34 dchud "this one's just as made up but the scales are different" 2011-02-10 11:45:38 lbjay lbjay prefers his slopes with a few moguls 2011-02-10 11:45:38 pmurray Disagree. Sharing also promotes sales because people taste/dabble with books that they may want. 2011-02-10 11:45:41 atz i expect by next year this time i'll be into it far enough to be presenting on libraries as DRM publishers 2011-02-10 11:45:49 ian___ when I worked for Springer I used to make books that cost about $180 2011-02-10 11:45:59 dchud sounds like our budgets 2011-02-10 11:46:06 ian___ our data showed a long tail, we were still selling items published n the 1960s 2011-02-10 11:46:06 anarchivist gluejar++ 2011-02-10 11:46:21 BillDueber pmurray: Probably true for mass-market stuff; very unclear for more specialized stuff and research works 2011-02-10 11:46:36 pmurray BillDueber: Yes, good point. 2011-02-10 11:46:39 tokeee 0 < 0? 2011-02-10 11:46:40 atz escowles: thx 2011-02-10 11:46:54 atz tokeee: increase precision 2011-02-10 11:46:56 BillDueber Cost per circ is $4???? HOLY SHIT! 2011-02-10 11:46:56 BigD who is gonna pay $100 for a book? 2011-02-10 11:47:03 akorphan BigD: Libraries. 2011-02-10 11:47:08 tokeee 0.0 < 0.0? 2011-02-10 11:47:10 BigD BillDueber: fully loaded, that's not bad 2011-02-10 11:47:13 BigD akorphan: ah, gotcha 2011-02-10 11:47:17 akorphan tokeee: For large values of 0 2011-02-10 11:47:20 bmljenny BigD: That's cheap for BML books 2011-02-10 11:47:22 ecorrado our librray has lots of +$100 books 2011-02-10 11:47:35 anna3lc gluejar++ 2011-02-10 11:47:38 MrDys good point 2011-02-10 11:47:42 ecorrado ecorrado doesn't buy too many of them with his puny collection development budget 2011-02-10 11:47:49 yo_bj BigD: $100 is relatively cheap 2011-02-10 11:47:49 highermath sibylschaefer: waiting for your contact info. Are you still planning to ride w/me? 2011-02-10 11:47:51 duspal I had a math textbook in college that was $135.00 2011-02-10 11:48:01 lbjay shoutout count: 3 2011-02-10 11:48:03 duspal Sold it back a yeear later for $5.00 2011-02-10 11:48:06 pberry The wifi is invincible! 2011-02-10 11:48:09 anna3lc search for libraries screwed 2011-02-10 11:48:16 robcaSSon eby: you see that talk? or hear any reactions? 2011-02-10 11:48:24 erikhatcher econ101++ 2011-02-10 11:48:29 pberry @google libraries screwed 2011-02-10 11:48:30 zoia pberry: Ebook economics: Are libraries screwed? « The Thingology Blog: <http://www.librarything.com/blogs/thingology/2009/10/ebook-economics-are-libraries-screwed/>; YouTube - Eli Neiburger at the LJ/SLJ eBook Summit: Libraries Are ...: <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KqAwj5ssU2c>; If Libraries are Screwed, so are the Rest of Us | Digital Book World: <http://www.digitalbookworld.com/2010/if-libraries-are-screwed/>; Are (2 more messages) 2011-02-10 11:48:31 tokeee tokeee is just pondering that the core problem here seems to be the old "data are not physical" 2011-02-10 11:48:34 bmljenny anna3lc: Be sure to leave safe search on! 2011-02-10 11:48:37 akorphan The cost of duplicating e-books for PUBLISHERS is 0. But the cost of "duplicating" (i.e., buying duplicate copies) for the LIBRARIES is often higher. Depedning on licensing and all that crap. Since publishers are trying to monetize items on a per-item basis 2011-02-10 11:48:42 eby robcaSSon: yeah reactions were decent. gluejar has a post with some links to writeups 2011-02-10 11:48:49 anna3lc bmljenny++ 2011-02-10 11:48:49 ranti gluejar++ elineiburger++ 2011-02-10 11:48:57 eby robcaSSon: overdrive was represented in same session 2011-02-10 11:49:03 gsf akorphan: i think that's what he's getting to 2011-02-10 11:49:07 bmljenny Overdrive-- 2011-02-10 11:49:08 davidWalker davidWalker puts his head in the sand 2011-02-10 11:49:09 robcaSSon aadl++ # need to watch that 2011-02-10 11:49:09 atz that's exactly what we do now: ignore it 2011-02-10 11:49:15 atz overdrive-- 2011-02-10 11:49:19 akorphan gsf: Ah yes, here we are--pretend it's print. 2011-02-10 11:49:24 jtgorman heh, love that phrase "PIP" 2011-02-10 11:49:25 tokeee tokeee will shut up now 2011-02-10 11:49:29 pberry head_in_sand-- 2011-02-10 11:49:30 BigD BigD calculates his earliest retirement date 2011-02-10 11:49:30 lbjay mmmmmm.... elinei bugers 2011-02-10 11:49:32 BigD shit. 2011-02-10 11:49:34 BillDueber aadl++ # man, I love those folks 2011-02-10 11:49:43 lbjay s/bugers/burgers/ 2011-02-10 11:49:46 robcaSSon BigD++ 2011-02-10 11:49:49 tbw EGreat benefits of little distruption!! 2011-02-10 11:49:49 bmljenny BigD: Tell me about it 2011-02-10 11:49:49 pmurray BigD++ 2011-02-10 11:49:50 yo_bj pip-- 2011-02-10 11:50:01 sibylschaefer highermath just sent! 2011-02-10 11:50:05 eby freegle-- #PIP 2011-02-10 11:50:05 jaf ehellman++ 2011-02-10 11:50:13 escowles @fight PretendItsPrint PictureInPicture 2011-02-10 11:50:14 robcaSSon robcaSSon will drive...no i won't....yes i will 2011-02-10 11:50:14 zoia escowles: An error has occurred and has been logged. Please contact this bot's administrator for more information. 2011-02-10 11:50:17 akorphan gluejar++ 2011-02-10 11:50:21 BillDueber mello_n++ 2011-02-10 11:50:28 ian___ I onluy got a driving licence two years ago :/ 2011-02-10 11:50:29 highermath sibylschaefer: thanks! 2011-02-10 11:50:30 pmurray Don't wan't publishers to drive either. 2011-02-10 11:50:37 jtgorman gluejar++ 2011-02-10 11:50:44 lbjay the guy who puts gas in my tank looks like robcaSSon 2011-02-10 11:50:45 robcaSSon laptop_battery-- 2011-02-10 11:50:53 BillDueber BillDueber loves the smell of bitterness in the morning 2011-02-10 11:50:54 akorphan Wait, I know those guys! 2011-02-10 11:50:58 robcaSSon gluejar++ 2011-02-10 11:51:04 gsf guys and other people 2011-02-10 11:51:05 duspal As a groupo, we look menacing 2011-02-10 11:51:05 lbjay is that one shoutout? or 40? 2011-02-10 11:51:08 atz oh crap. we're screwed 2011-02-10 11:51:09 danwho thats a good looking group of people 2011-02-10 11:51:10 pmurray beer_tour++ 2011-02-10 11:51:12 eby @blame those guys 2011-02-10 11:51:12 anna3lc lbjay++ 2011-02-10 11:51:12 zoia eby: ladies & gentlemen, our current crisis has its roots in those guys 2011-02-10 11:51:12 jtgorman wait, I didn't see it long enough to recognize the location 2011-02-10 11:51:13 anarchivist @ana beer datacenter 2011-02-10 11:51:13 duspal atz++ 2011-02-10 11:51:13 escowles us_guys++ 2011-02-10 11:51:14 zoia anarchivist: Debate recanter 2011-02-10 11:51:18 jtgorman was that the brewery? 2011-02-10 11:51:24 yo_bj atz++ 2011-02-10 11:51:28 lbjay shoutout count: 253 2011-02-10 11:51:29 anarchivist jtgorman: from last year 2011-02-10 11:51:34 pbinkley looked like Tahrir Square 2011-02-10 11:51:34 BillDueber danwho: Good looking? Wait, how much beer did you drink??????? 2011-02-10 11:51:43 jtgorman anarchivist: ah, ok 2011-02-10 11:51:52 danwho BillDueber apparently A LOT 2011-02-10 11:51:55 anna3lc it's at least an awesome-looking group of people 2011-02-10 11:52:04 dchud BUT WE KNOW BEER 2011-02-10 11:52:06 ecorrado embedded code4libers! 2011-02-10 11:52:09 anarchivist dchud++ 2011-02-10 11:52:14 flyingzumwalt this is a pretty inspiring chart 2011-02-10 11:52:15 awead1 dchud++ 2011-02-10 11:52:16 ian___ beer++ 2011-02-10 11:52:18 BillDueber <cough>jrochkind</cough> 2011-02-10 11:52:19 akorphan if you're not just learning, you're doing it wrong. 2011-02-10 11:52:20 danwho dchud++ 2011-02-10 11:52:20 gsf too modest to admit we're not good coders? 2011-02-10 11:52:21 yo_bj code4lib sleeper cells/ 2011-02-10 11:52:25 dchud beer++ 2011-02-10 11:52:27 BigD next year, more beer! 2011-02-10 11:52:28 atz i'm not sure what qualifies as non-self-trained software developer. i'd be skeptical of such a person. 2011-02-10 11:52:30 BillDueber BillDueber is a decimal coder 2011-02-10 11:52:31 awead1 I am not a super coder 2011-02-10 11:52:34 tbw fractional coders 2011-02-10 11:52:37 BigD cuz i haven't been drunk enuf 2011-02-10 11:52:40 lbjay gluejar++ # we love to hear about us 2011-02-10 11:52:43 erikhatcher funny thing about "free"..... 2011-02-10 11:52:45 bmljenny Fractious coders maybe 2011-02-10 11:52:46 gsf sharing_toys++ 2011-02-10 11:52:46 akorphan beer++ 2011-02-10 11:52:47 akorphan toys++ 2011-02-10 11:52:47 dchud he's reading! 2011-02-10 11:52:48 jrochkind and sharing beer 2011-02-10 11:52:51 pberry I'm fractional, only half of what i do is any good 2011-02-10 11:52:55 tbw fractual coders 2011-02-10 11:53:00 davidWalker pberry++ 2011-02-10 11:53:02 ian___ I mainly feel fictional 2011-02-10 11:53:03 robcaSSon gluejar++ # i needed a bit of a pep talk 2011-02-10 11:53:07 jrochkind i am skeptical that a little code goes a long way. a little code can be enough rope to hang yourself. 2011-02-10 11:53:11 gsf pberry: that's a pretty good ratio 2011-02-10 11:53:14 akorphan fractal coders? 2011-02-10 11:53:15 charper fractional coders write fractured code (at least in my case) 2011-02-10 11:53:18 MrDys jrochkind: there's downsides to everything 2011-02-10 11:53:21 flyingzumwalt the spread of those red dots explains a lot of why I think code4lib is so important 2011-02-10 11:53:22 anarchivist charper++ 2011-02-10 11:53:23 ranti like: "a little code goes a long way" 2011-02-10 11:53:24 jrochkind MrDys: true enough 2011-02-10 11:53:27 BillDueber One road didn't diverge in a woods, so ...er...I took it. 2011-02-10 11:53:32 atz jrochkind: a littel *shared* code can go a long way 2011-02-10 11:53:32 bmljenny These two coders walk into a library... 2011-02-10 11:53:33 akorphan fractal coders write recursive code. 2011-02-10 11:53:42 akorphan "fractal coders do it recursively." 2011-02-10 11:53:53 ranti bmljenny++ 2011-02-10 11:53:57 BigD i can replace you with a small perl script 2011-02-10 11:54:03 danwho bmljenny ...and immediately check for an open network 2011-02-10 11:54:12 gsf BigD++ i believe it 2011-02-10 11:54:17 jtgorman on the inverse, they don't recognize sometimes when a little code won't cut it...or what costs $$ 2011-02-10 11:54:17 ranti danwho++ 2011-02-10 11:54:20 dchud that idea comes from 3M, not google 2011-02-10 11:54:21 eefcee_ 25%? 2011-02-10 11:54:22 charper 20_precent_time++ 2011-02-10 11:54:22 BigD danwho: and the bathrooms and printers 2011-02-10 11:54:23 jtgorman ie hard drives 2011-02-10 11:54:30 ian___ 20% is hard to make work 2011-02-10 11:54:31 pberry Not entirely "whatever" 2011-02-10 11:54:31 BillDueber dchud++ 3M++ 2011-02-10 11:54:33 dchud more fractional time? 2011-02-10 11:54:34 tokeee Ahhh... Google time. We actually do this 2011-02-10 11:54:35 akorphan pie++ 2011-02-10 11:54:36 flyingzumwalt pie++ 2011-02-10 11:54:38 escowles pie++ 2011-02-10 11:54:39 jrochkind hooray for pies 2011-02-10 11:54:40 akorphan 20% < 25% 2011-02-10 11:54:40 jtgorman we finally got 5 to 10 % research time..... 2011-02-10 11:54:41 BigD mmmmmmmpie! 2011-02-10 11:54:42 yo_bj pie++ 2011-02-10 11:54:42 jtgorman :P 2011-02-10 11:54:43 atz we did 20% time at LibLime, back when times were good 2011-02-10 11:54:43 robcaSSon yo_bj++ pie++ 2011-02-10 11:54:45 lbjay ian___: how does google make it work? 2011-02-10 11:54:46 flyingzumwalt @love pie 2011-02-10 11:54:47 bmljenny danwho: Heh. Dont let viss in the building 2011-02-10 11:54:48 zoia flyingzumwalt: The operation succeeded. flyingzumwalt loves pie. 2011-02-10 11:54:49 awead pie++ 2011-02-10 11:54:52 ian___ bi-monthly hack days also work really well 2011-02-10 11:54:53 anna3lc yo_bj++ QR pie 2011-02-10 11:54:57 pberry Projects are still approved and reviewed regularly inside google 2011-02-10 11:54:57 duspal Lockheed Martin tried to implement this once. It was an absolute disaster 2011-02-10 11:54:58 mtomko there's not much I wouldn't do for 20% time. 2011-02-10 11:54:59 ranti yo_bj++ #pie 2011-02-10 11:54:59 dchud it's a giant face! 2011-02-10 11:54:59 mtomko ugh. 2011-02-10 11:55:01 dileshni yo_bj++ 2011-02-10 11:55:02 awead @karma pie 2011-02-10 11:55:02 jtgorman better than nothing, but hard to block out useful chunks 2011-02-10 11:55:02 zoia awead: Karma for "pie" has been increased 6 times and decreased 0 times for a total karma of 6. 2011-02-10 11:55:04 gsf atz: before the days of darkness descended upon us all 2011-02-10 11:55:19 atz skunkworks++ 2011-02-10 11:55:22 ecorrado from talking to the Google people i know, at least for lower level developers it is a myth this 20% time.... 2011-02-10 11:55:25 pberry pie++ 2011-02-10 11:55:37 yo_bj @karma pie 2011-02-10 11:55:37 zoia yo_bj: Karma for "pie" has been increased 7 times and decreased 0 times for a total karma of 7. 2011-02-10 11:55:40 ecorrado yea, they can do it 20% of the time, but they get t work 80 hours a week 2011-02-10 11:55:42 flyingzumwalt ecorrado: I've heard similar 2011-02-10 11:55:44 anna3lc anna3lc thought he was going to sell his collaborative book rights purchasing thing 2011-02-10 11:55:48 akorphan @sing Decemberists : July, July 2011-02-10 11:55:50 zoia The water rolls down the drain / Oh, what a lonely thing / LyricsIn a lonely drain / July, July, July 2011-02-10 11:55:52 jtgorman ecorrado: I also have heard it's changed over the years 2011-02-10 11:55:53 atz ecorrado: exactly. same idea at LL. 2011-02-10 11:56:03 bmljenny True. All our best yelp reviews are about study space 2011-02-10 11:56:10 decasm_ the information is a lie 2011-02-10 11:56:10 gsf anna3lc: think he'll mention it? 2011-02-10 11:56:13 flyingzumwalt ecorrado: or "sure. 20% time, but spend it on something we already want" 2011-02-10 11:56:18 lbjay @ana room full of royts 2011-02-10 11:56:18 zoia lbjay: Floor stormy foul 2011-02-10 11:56:22 akorphan IT'S MADE OF PEOPLE! IT'S PEOPLE! 2011-02-10 11:56:23 tokeee Some of our best projects started as such 20%-time things 2011-02-10 11:56:24 anna3lc gsf: i will happily clap for it if he does. 2011-02-10 11:56:25 bmljenny Our bad yelp reviews are about arrogant med students 2011-02-10 11:56:36 escowles bmljenny: i didn't know yelp rated libraries! 2011-02-10 11:56:49 flyingzumwalt soylent_green+- 2011-02-10 11:56:54 eby @blame med students 2011-02-10 11:56:54 zoia eby: it's like med students 2: electric boogaloo 2011-02-10 11:56:56 duspal Heres how it works: You have to do all the same amount of work (aka were not allocating the 20% to you). But you have to give us white papers which wil generate us money. Its now part of your performance review 2011-02-10 11:56:56 BillDueber underground_library_shoutout++ 2011-02-10 11:57:00 highermath arrogant_med_students++ 2011-02-10 11:57:02 anna3lc chicago_underground_library++ 2011-02-10 11:57:17 knickum @sing electric avenue 2011-02-10 11:57:18 pberry Oh yeah, ebooks 2011-02-10 11:57:27 zoia knickum: No songs found by electric avenue 2011-02-10 11:57:32 BillDueber been sniffing the gluejar 2011-02-10 11:57:34 flyingzumwalt mmm. glue. 2011-02-10 11:57:40 decasm_ dear god i hope that was actual glue 2011-02-10 11:57:42 robcaSSon gluejar++ 2011-02-10 11:57:44 jtgorman my only friend...the end.. 2011-02-10 11:57:45 lbjay the_end-- 2011-02-10 11:57:51 ranti gluejar++ 2011-02-10 11:57:54 duspal code4lib++ 2011-02-10 11:57:56 bmljenny escowles: http://www.yelp.com/biz/ucsd-biomedical-library-la-jolla 2011-02-10 11:57:57 BigD decasm++ 2011-02-10 11:57:58 knickum @sing eddy grant 2011-02-10 11:58:01 zoia You invite me to a war partyMe no wanna goEverybody seem to be inviting me toA war party, me no wanna goHeard about the last oneSo thanks but no thank youYou killed off all the IndiansAnd you killed off all the slavesBut not quiteSo you killed off the remainsYou a look for me, and I'm looking for youI can't believe what they say bout you is trueThat you're a bad star just like PharoahYou killed the children just like (3 more messages) 2011-02-10 11:58:03 mnotess streaming_people++ 2011-02-10 11:58:03 eefcee_ live_stream++ 2011-02-10 11:58:06 pbinkley you're the streaming person 2011-02-10 11:58:06 BigD it's almost over! 2011-02-10 11:58:08 eefcee_ code4lib++ 2011-02-10 11:58:10 gsf gluejar++ 2011-02-10 11:58:11 davidWalker live_stream++ 2011-02-10 11:58:12 anna3lc od talk 2011-02-10 11:58:12 charper code4lib++ 2011-02-10 11:58:13 BigD my liver can grow back! 2011-02-10 11:58:14 anna3lc good talk 2011-02-10 11:58:16 atz gluejar_sniffer 2011-02-10 11:58:16 yo_bj bye irc. I'll miss you! 2011-02-10 11:58:23 charper Thanks so much to all of you for a hell of a conference. 2011-02-10 11:58:24 davidWalker closin' announcements 2011-02-10 11:58:25 freqlurker take care all! 2011-02-10 11:58:28 davidWalker ecorrado++ 2011-02-10 11:58:30 jstroop bye, thanks IU! 2011-02-10 11:58:31 eefcee_ stream the food! 2011-02-10 11:58:34 jtgorman safe travels all 2011-02-10 11:58:35 KingNightWolf later skatters 2011-02-10 11:58:37 anarchivist mcdonald++ 2011-02-10 11:58:40 anna3lc everybody++ 2011-02-10 11:58:41 lbjay not so sure about that 2011-02-10 11:58:42 pberry See the farm people in the lobby soon 2011-02-10 11:58:47 mnotess seattle++ 2011-02-10 11:58:51 highermath and so we bed adieu to beautiful Bloomington. Hellllooo Seatle 2011-02-10 11:58:52 pmurray snack_bags++ 2011-02-10 11:58:54 robcaSSon annjanette++ 2011-02-10 11:58:54 davidWalker seattle++ 2011-02-10 11:59:00 BigD yay farm! 2011-02-10 11:59:05 ejk Do they have a fat internet pipe in seattle? 2011-02-10 11:59:08 yo_bj train_ride_to_seattle++ 2011-02-10 11:59:12 lbjay oh! that's mcdonald. 2011-02-10 11:59:13 ranti #totebag++ 2011-02-10 11:59:14 bmljenny BigD: Get the ribs. Freak 2011-02-10 11:59:16 eby full of beer 2011-02-10 11:59:21 anarchivist ejk: they got lots o pipes. 2011-02-10 11:59:24 lbjay mcdonald++ 2011-02-10 11:59:26 BigD bmljenny: u joining us? 2011-02-10 11:59:28 decasm_ anarchivist: tubes 2011-02-10 11:59:34 ejk @rate fat_pipe phat_pipe 2011-02-10 11:59:35 awead bye, everybody... stop by and see me if you're ever in Cleveland 2011-02-10 11:59:36 dchud hey everybody see you online, stop by DC and say hi anytime! 2011-02-10 11:59:38 zoia ejk: fat pipe: 6.7; phat pipe: 10.0. phat pipe rocks! 2011-02-10 11:59:50 cbeer dchud: did you get any takers for shapiro's? 2011-02-10 11:59:51 BigD you can stay at dchud's house 2011-02-10 11:59:54 bmljenny BigD: no but up for dinner/drinks 2011-02-10 11:59:55 davidWalker BigD++ 2011-02-10 11:59:56 ejk Bravo IU 2011-02-10 12:00:02 ejk live_stream++ 2011-02-10 12:00:02 atz lunch? 2011-02-10 12:00:04 ejk live_stream++ 2011-02-10 12:00:05 ejk live_stream++ 2011-02-10 12:00:05 jrochkind thanks robert! 2011-02-10 12:00:06 riehlemt code4lib++ 2011-02-10 12:00:09 eefcee_ iu++ 2011-02-10 12:00:11 robcaSSon mcdonald++ 2011-02-10 12:00:13 highermath Robert and ecorrado look like Anjanette' bodyguards 2011-02-10 12:00:17 pberry Check out of your room by 1! 2011-02-10 12:00:21 charper iu++ #great job w/ the hosting! 2011-02-10 12:00:23 ranti annjanette++ 2011-02-10 12:00:24 babs live_stream++ 2011-02-10 12:00:24 BigD everyone photo bomb the livestream on the way out 2011-02-10 12:00:25 cazzerson code4lib++ # later y'all 2011-02-10 12:00:25 bmljenny IU++ 2011-02-10 12:00:25 atz BUT I'M NOT DONE YET!@ 2011-02-10 12:00:27 ranti mcdonald++ 2011-02-10 12:00:28 eefcee_ live_stream++ 2011-02-10 12:00:31 highermath iu++ 2011-02-10 12:00:31 anarchivist flyingzumwalt, BigD, robcaSSon, dchud: what time to meet to go to farm? 2011-02-10 12:00:37 eefcee_ irc++ 2011-02-10 12:00:43 danwho hoosiers++ 2011-02-10 12:00:44 anarchivist flyingzumwalt, BigD, robcaSSon, dchud: meet by 12:30 in hotel lobby? 2011-02-10 12:00:47 flyingzumwalt anarchivist: 12:45 at the lobby 2011-02-10 12:00:50 BigD ana 12:30? 2011-02-10 12:00:53 Baroquem Seattle? Yet another technology I'm not familiar with. 2011-02-10 12:00:55 BigD anarchivist: 1230 good 2011-02-10 12:01:01 anarchivist flyingzumwalt: 1245 is perfect 2011-02-10 12:01:05 mtomko seattle has great food. it will be good to be back. 2011-02-10 12:01:08 flyingzumwalt actually, 12:30 sounds better 2011-02-10 12:01:13 flyingzumwalt some people have to leave at 2:30 2011-02-10 12:01:17 anarchivist flyingzumwalt: 1230 it is then 2011-02-10 12:01:20 pberry flyingzumwalt: 12:45, Roger that 2011-02-10 12:01:29 flyingzumwalt pberry: 12:30 2011-02-10 12:01:31 jaf is there room for one more going to the farm? 2011-02-10 12:01:37 anarchivist jaf: sure 2011-02-10 12:01:37 dchud sooner better for me but i can hang 2011-02-10 12:01:40 highermath possession is 9/10ths of the law 2011-02-10 12:01:41 charper flyingzumwalt: cool 12:30 sounds good provided that gives me time to check out. 2011-02-10 12:01:43 ejk ibahn-- 2011-02-10 12:01:54 dchud cbeer: no, so i was going to go to farm now and shapiro's on the way out of town 2011-02-10 12:02:04 anarchivist seattle++ 2011-02-10 12:02:07 gsf anj++ 2011-02-10 12:02:09 pberry flyingzumwalt: 12:30, Roger that :) 2011-02-10 12:02:12 dchud cbeer: interested in any or all of that? 2011-02-10 12:02:21 BigD thanks to you all for bringing beer! i was amazed! 2011-02-10 12:02:23 MrDys we. are. awesome. 2011-02-10 12:02:24 eefcee_ claps 2011-02-10 12:02:27 flyingzumwalt ok. meet in the lobby at 12:30. If people are still checking out, speak up and we can linger 2011-02-10 12:02:33 cbeer dchud: heading out right after this -- driving up to MI 2011-02-10 12:02:44 davidWalker streamn'++ 2011-02-10 12:02:55 eefcee_ live_stream++ 2011-02-10 12:02:56 anarchivist mcdonald++ 2011-02-10 12:02:57 eefcee_ iu++ 2011-02-10 12:02:59 BigD i bombed! 2011-02-10 12:03:00 bmljenny Clap clap 2011-02-10 12:03:01 anarchivist iu++ 2011-02-10 12:03:05 dchud seeyas 2011-02-10 12:03:06 atz indiana++ # yuo r mah homiez now 2011-02-10 12:03:06 dchud  2011-02-10 12:03:22 eefcee_ safe journeys, everyone! 2011-02-10 12:03:31 duspal And ZCREEEEEEEEE go the chairs 2011-02-10 12:03:32 BigD safe trip everypne! 2011-02-10 12:03:40 duspal Thanks all, see you next year 2011-02-10 12:03:40 jbrinley happy travels, everyone. feel free to stop by my place for lunch 2011-02-10 12:04:31 lbjay we're totally doing a washington wine drink-up in 2012 2011-02-10 12:04:56 MrDys peace out, yall 2011-02-10 12:05:41 Baroquem Safe travels. 2011-02-10 12:06:25 milkya Indiana++! Code4Lib++! 2011-02-10 12:06:33 atz Y'er! 2011-02-10 12:06:56 jbrinley indiana_weather-- 2011-02-10 12:07:05 jbrinley good thing c4l wasn't last week 2011-02-10 12:18:01 lbjay @isitdown static.simile.mit.edu 2011-02-10 12:18:02 zoia lbjay: It's just you. 2011-02-10 12:21:29 jdatema hermes 2011-02-10 12:48:36 lbjay @quote random 2011-02-10 12:48:37 zoia lbjay: Quote #431: "<steve_jobs> Boom!" (added by eby at 05:58 PM, September 25, 2006) 2011-02-10 12:48:46 lbjay @help karma 2011-02-10 12:48:46 zoia lbjay: (karma [<channel>] [<thing> ...]) -- Returns the karma of <text>. If <thing> is not given, returns the top three and bottom three karmas. If one <thing> is given, returns the details of its karma; if more than one <thing> is given, returns the total karma of each of the things. <channel> is only necessary if the message isn't sent on the channel itself. 2011-02-10 12:48:54 lbjay @list karma 2011-02-10 12:48:54 zoia lbjay: clear, dump, karma, karmawar, load, and most 2011-02-10 12:49:03 lbjay @help clear 2011-02-10 12:49:03 zoia lbjay: (clear [<channel>] <name>) -- Resets the karma of <name> to 0. 2011-02-10 12:49:09 lbjay @help dump 2011-02-10 12:49:09 zoia lbjay: (dump [<channel>] <filename>) -- Dumps the Karma database for <channel> to <filename> in the bot's data directory. <channel> is only necessary if the message isn't sent in the channel itself. 2011-02-10 12:50:37 lbjay @dump karma_2011-02-10.dump 2011-02-10 12:50:38 zoia lbjay: The operation succeeded. 2011-02-10 12:50:58 lbjay @clear * 2011-02-10 12:50:59 zoia lbjay: The operation succeeded. 2011-02-10 12:51:13 lbjay @most increased 2011-02-10 12:51:13 zoia lbjay: "mbklein": 519, "anarchivist": 444, "edsu": 443, "zoia": 383, "MrDys": 319, "mjgiarlo": 315, "rsinger": 282, "BillDueber": 277, "lbjay": 273, "dbs": 268, "robcaSSon": 226, "jrochkind": 215, "eby": 185, "sesuncedu": 130, "jtgorman": 121, "gsf": 120, "royt": 119, "ksclarke": 112, "BigD": 109, "jbrinley": 96, "bess": 89, "jeff": 88, "dchud": 85, "wickr": 84, and "ndushay": 75 2011-02-10 12:51:20 lbjay hmm 2011-02-10 12:59:26 lbjay ahh, i think you have to create an empty dump and then use @load maybe 2011-02-10 13:20:20 eefcee_ @karma dlf 2011-02-10 13:20:20 zoia eefcee_: Karma for "dlf" has been increased 1 time and decreased 0 times for a total karma of 1.