2009-02-22 00:17:25 zoia New news from planetcode4lib: Dempsey, Lorcan: Assisted thinking ..... and assisted reading 2009-02-22 08:02:41 wickr_ we're on the road to Rhode Island 2009-02-22 08:38:51 lbjay @sing talking heads : road to nowhere 2009-02-22 08:38:54 zoia And we're not little children, and we know what we want / And the future is certain, give us time to work it out / Yeah / We're on a road to nowhere, come on inside 2009-02-22 08:39:04 lbjay @weather PVD 2009-02-22 08:39:07 zoia lbjay: The current temperature in Providence, Rhode Island is 32.0°F (7:51 AM EST on February 22, 2009). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 82%. Dew Point: 26.6°F. Windchill: 32.0°F. Pressure: 30.16 in 1021 hPa (Falling). 2009-02-22 08:39:57 lbjay up to 8" of snow in boston, mostly north & west though. looks like just rain for PVD. 2009-02-22 08:40:08 lbjay ^ today's forecast 2009-02-22 08:42:37 lbjay @hosts2010 2009-02-22 08:42:39 zoia lbjay: Asheville, NC [147]; Austin, TX [145]; Madison, WI [126]; Columbus, OH [97]; Bloomington, IN [66] 2009-02-22 09:48:42 zoia New news from planetcode4lib: Leggott, Mark: Latest Evergreen Release Available 2009-02-22 10:21:23 erikhatcher who's in providence now? i guess it's still a bit early 2009-02-22 10:22:28 lbjay @dunno add i think the property you're looking for is http://open.vocab.org/terms/rtfm.html 2009-02-22 10:22:53 lbjay uh-oh, where's zoia? 2009-02-22 10:23:00 lbjay @dunno add i think the property you're looking for is http://open.vocab.org/terms/rtfm.html 2009-02-22 10:23:02 zoia lbjay: Error: You must be registered to use this command. If you are already registered, you must either identify (using the identify command) or add a hostmask matching your current hostmask (using the "hostmask add" command). 2009-02-22 10:23:12 lbjay @dunno add i think the property you're looking for is http://open.vocab.org/terms/rtfm.html 2009-02-22 10:23:14 zoia lbjay: The operation succeeded. Dunno #296 added. 2009-02-22 10:23:29 lbjay user_error-- 2009-02-22 10:23:43 lbjay @ana planes, trains and automobiles 2009-02-22 10:23:46 zoia lbjay: Is not pleasurable damnations 2009-02-22 10:23:56 lbjay zoia: i'll say 2009-02-22 10:23:58 zoia lbjay: i know what you did last summer 2009-02-22 10:24:15 lbjay erikhatcher: are you there already? 2009-02-22 10:24:35 erikhatcher lbjay: no... just day dreaming of being there 2009-02-22 11:00:16 danbri erikhatcher, i was about to ask you about the lucene book cover art. but i just found http://www.manning.com/hatcher2/excerpt_about.html :) 2009-02-22 11:00:40 danbri good read btw, lots of ideas in there! unlike countless other tech books that just plod thru a set of apis 2009-02-22 11:00:49 ecorrado ecorrado loves what his slides say about OCLC in his c4l talk... the complete content is "OCLC is doing something" ... I guess I should expand on that 2009-02-22 11:01:21 erikhatcher danbri: thanks! 2009-02-22 11:03:09 lbjay ecorrado: i thought your talk was on the EL open platform 2009-02-22 11:03:56 ecorrado lbjay: it is mostly about that, but I wanted to throw in a little about OCLC and the Worldcat API 2009-02-22 11:04:18 lbjay ecorrado: compare and contrast 2009-02-22 11:04:19 ecorrado I'm probably not going to do much on OCLC ,sicne the peopel that care are probably going to be at the pre-conference tommorow 2009-02-22 11:18:57 zoia New news from planetcode4lib: Brickley, Dan: On the internet, no-one knows. 2009-02-22 12:17:05 zoia New news from planetcode4lib: Denton, William: Last week in FRBR 2009-02-22 12:49:08 zoia New news from planetcode4lib: Eaton, Alf: An open question to authors of text mining tools 2009-02-22 12:49:48 atz heading out... see y'all soon 2009-02-22 13:13:45 zoia my provenance. let show you it. 2009-02-22 13:19:13 zoia New news from planetcode4lib: code4lib twitter mentions: flyingzumwalt: Departing from MPLS to Boston for #code4lib. Brain is sluggish from #dykesdodrag afterparty, but totally worth it. 2009-02-22 13:47:18 zoia New news from planetcode4lib: Zimmerman, Peter: a more nuanced discussion of creative class 2009-02-22 14:15:39 anarchivist woo! spring break! 2009-02-22 14:47:27 zoia New news from planetcode4lib: Leggott, Mark: How Silly Can We Get? 2009-02-22 15:08:01 anarchivist @quote random 2009-02-22 15:08:03 zoia anarchivist: Quote #49: "rdhyee: one sharp knife is better than a drawer full of dull ones (from Chinese saying)" (added by tholbroo at 04:46 PM, November 23, 2005) 2009-02-22 15:19:31 zoia New news from planetcode4lib: Johnston, Leslie: Caldwell collection 2009-02-22 15:40:15 zoia :D 2009-02-22 15:40:50 anarchivist @quote random 2009-02-22 15:40:52 zoia anarchivist: Quote #1690: " I run all my patches through @canuck" (added by ksclarke at 02:46 PM, February 04, 2009) 2009-02-22 16:03:09 BillDueber_ cschx is a little conflicted, I think. 2009-02-22 16:06:15 anarchivist i'm surprised my connection has been this resilient 2009-02-22 16:17:38 zoia New news from planetcode4lib: Bisson, Casey: Don’t Be Stupid, Magenta Is A Color 2009-02-22 16:41:31 lbjay @quote random 2009-02-22 16:41:32 zoia lbjay: Quote #1386: " talks is cheap - on irc at least" (added by edsu at 12:21 PM, May 16, 2008) 2009-02-22 17:16:58 lbjay anyone here who's used openvocab? 2009-02-22 17:20:45 anarchivist @quote random 2009-02-22 17:20:47 zoia anarchivist: Quote #419: " I am speaking. Yes I am. I will speak loudly and often throughout the course of this meeting." (added by ksclarke at 04:26 PM, September 15, 2006) 2009-02-22 17:24:56 anarchivist_ ugh 2009-02-22 17:25:09 anarchivist_ anyone getting free wifi at the renaissance? 2009-02-22 17:26:29 cazzerson me 2009-02-22 17:26:49 cazzerson They said that free wifi comes with the room code, so just accept the charges and sort it out at check-out 2009-02-22 17:26:57 anarchivist_ ok, awesome 2009-02-22 17:29:26 anarchivist_ @quote random 2009-02-22 17:29:26 zoia anarchivist_: Quote #1603: " meanwhile, I still hate Rails." (added by jbrinley at 04:46 PM, November 10, 2008) 2009-02-22 17:29:30 anarchivist_ that's better 2009-02-22 17:31:55 edsu icanhaz wifi 2009-02-22 17:32:06 dbs icanhaz envhy 2009-02-22 17:32:11 dbs envy, even 2009-02-22 17:32:31 anarchivist_ anarchivist_ can haz beer 2009-02-22 17:32:37 dbs dbs wishes the overLODs luck with their preconf 2009-02-22 17:32:40 edsu this hotel rox0r 2009-02-22 17:32:53 edsu dbs: you will be missed 2009-02-22 17:33:05 jbrinley is dbs stuck at the border again? 2009-02-22 17:33:10 anarchivist_ dbs: hook up a webcam so we can project you on the wall 2009-02-22 17:33:38 edsu can we not announce #c4l09 in here, please? 2009-02-22 17:33:50 edsu s/not// 2009-02-22 17:33:53 edsu :-) 2009-02-22 17:34:01 anarchivist_ lol 2009-02-22 17:34:28 edsu oh well, one less distraction is a good thing i guess 2009-02-22 17:37:23 lbjay @quote add is dbs stuck at the border again? 2009-02-22 17:37:24 zoia lbjay: The operation succeeded. Quote #1713 added. 2009-02-22 17:45:24 anarchivist anarchivist going to work at the bar 2009-02-22 17:45:32 anarchivist brb 2009-02-22 17:49:46 jbrinley_din jbrinley_din goes to see who's at the fireplace 2009-02-22 17:49:58 lbjay huh, i assumed the LIBRIS uris would give back rdf based on conneg but they don't 2009-02-22 17:50:16 edsu you sure? 2009-02-22 17:50:27 lbjay curl -H "Accept: application/rdf+xml" http://libris.kb.se/bib/5060570 2009-02-22 17:50:56 lbjay am i doin' it wrong? 2009-02-22 17:51:11 edsu that's the uri for the web page right? 2009-02-22 17:51:20 lbjay yeah 2009-02-22 17:51:30 dbs two-month old baby is keeping me home this year : 2009-02-22 17:51:32 dbs :) 2009-02-22 17:51:46 BillDueber_ Hey can anyone in Providence speak to any snow on the ground? Should I be wearing boots? 2009-02-22 17:51:52 lbjay no snow 2009-02-22 17:51:52 dbs @google "family planning for c4l2010" 2009-02-22 17:51:54 zoia dbs: No matches found. (Search took 0.32 seconds) 2009-02-22 17:52:10 lbjay BillDueber_: even in boston it's still just raining 2009-02-22 17:52:13 edsu lbjay: view source on the html, and search for rdf/xml 2009-02-22 17:52:20 lbjay edsu: yeah, i got that 2009-02-22 17:52:23 edsu sorry, search for application/rdf+xml 2009-02-22 17:53:18 edsu did you look at the rdf/xml that came back? 2009-02-22 17:53:44 edsu and the uri that it describes? 2009-02-22 17:53:46 lbjay the alternates use a format=application/rdf+xml param 2009-02-22 17:53:52 edsu yup 2009-02-22 17:53:54 lbjay ahh 2009-02-22 17:54:01 lbjay http://libris.kb.se/resource/bib/5060570 2009-02-22 17:54:10 edsu yea 2009-02-22 17:54:10 BillDueber_ @wunder 02901 2009-02-22 17:54:11 zoia BillDueber_: The current temperature in Cherry Hill, Johnston, Rhode Island is 36.0°F (5:54 PM EST on February 22, 2009). Conditions: Light Rain. Humidity: 100%. Dew Point: 35.6°F. Windchill: 35.6°F. Pressure: 29.51 in 999.2 hPa (Falling). 2009-02-22 17:54:14 lbjay lbjay tries that with curl 2009-02-22 17:54:27 lbjay nope, same thing. empty response 2009-02-22 17:54:29 lbjay oh well 2009-02-22 17:54:38 lbjay just trying to find an example to illustrate something 2009-02-22 17:55:22 edsu curl doesn't follow redirects automatically 2009-02-22 17:55:39 edsu and you aren't seeing the headers that are coming back presumably 2009-02-22 17:55:51 edsu put a -i on there to see the headers 2009-02-22 17:55:57 edsu or --locate to follow redirects 2009-02-22 17:56:16 lbjay ahh, works if i add -L 2009-02-22 17:56:19 lbjay edsu: right 2009-02-22 17:56:21 edsu sorry --location 2009-02-22 17:56:39 lbjay -L sameAs --location 2009-02-22 17:56:44 edsu yeah 2009-02-22 17:57:05 lbjay works on the /bib/ url too 2009-02-22 17:57:21 edsu also a 303? 2009-02-22 18:00:09 lbjay 303 2009-02-22 18:04:59 edsu innarestin 2009-02-22 18:05:05 edsu mjgiarlo: you down in the bar? 2009-02-22 18:07:08 royt royt is about to go down there, fwiw 2009-02-22 18:07:43 edsu royt: coolio 2009-02-22 18:07:52 edsu it's a nice hotel 2009-02-22 18:08:34 royt yes indeed 2009-02-22 18:08:53 lbjay lbjay sorta wishes he was there 2009-02-22 18:09:17 royt lbjay: so do we ;-) 2009-02-22 18:09:40 lbjay more time to work on my throw-away slides 2009-02-22 18:10:15 lbjay and by that i mean they deserve to be thrown away 2009-02-22 18:11:12 lbjay edsu: you imagine any drastic schedule changes arising from tonight's discussion? 2009-02-22 18:12:37 edsu only thing i can imagine is things starting late due to hangovers 2009-02-22 18:13:33 edsu dlovins, dchud you guys made it to providence? 2009-02-22 18:13:39 lbjay well, at least i won't be hungover 2009-02-22 18:14:00 edsu lbjay: what's that corona doing in your hand then? 2009-02-22 18:14:17 lbjay edsu: s/corona/pilsner_urquell/ 2009-02-22 18:14:26 edsu lbjay++ 2009-02-22 18:14:48 royt edsu: good shot, tho 2009-02-22 18:14:48 lbjay i'd be willing to play the MC role if no one wants it 2009-02-22 18:15:40 lbjay although I know royt and I, sir, am no royt 2009-02-22 18:16:17 royt lbjay: LOL, and that's to your everlasting credit 2009-02-22 18:16:41 royt i was nailed to do that duty, but stay close, last time i did it I shared it with dchud 2009-02-22 18:17:09 dchud yessir 2009-02-22 18:17:22 royt and he totally blew it too 2009-02-22 18:17:24 lbjay we probably don't really need an MC, per se, but i'm okay with being the general mover-of-things-along 2009-02-22 18:17:26 royt oh, wait 2009-02-22 18:17:34 royt dchud is here, oops ;-) 2009-02-22 18:17:54 royt did i say that out loud? 2009-02-22 18:17:58 dchud the thing is, you want to have a posse 2009-02-22 18:18:05 royt right 2009-02-22 18:18:14 dchud it shouldn't be one person's responsibility to do everything, and it's good to mix it up day to day 2009-02-22 18:18:19 royt well, time^H^H^H^H past time for a drink 2009-02-22 18:18:22 dchud but what do i know, last time i totally blew it 2009-02-22 18:18:26 royt heh 2009-02-22 18:18:37 lbjay @eightball will dchud blow it again? 2009-02-22 18:18:37 zoia lbjay: NO. 2009-02-22 18:18:50 royt right 2009-02-22 18:18:59 royt but the question was phrased wrong 2009-02-22 18:19:08 royt @eightball did dchud blow it last time? 2009-02-22 18:19:08 zoia royt: No chance. 2009-02-22 18:19:12 royt there you go 2009-02-22 18:19:36 royt_bar later 2009-02-22 18:19:43 dchud where's the bar? 2009-02-22 18:19:59 royt_bar downstairs and off to the side (toward the state house) 2009-02-22 18:20:22 dchud is that "temple" ? 2009-02-22 18:22:51 dlovins I get the "temple" bit now. I guess this hotel was originally a masonic temple. 2009-02-22 18:23:19 miker_ that explains the hidden passageways 2009-02-22 18:23:28 lbjay @ana ask a freemason 2009-02-22 18:23:30 zoia lbjay: Freak mean as so 2009-02-22 18:23:43 dlovins Could someone tell me how you use the "#c4l09" code within twitter? 2009-02-22 18:23:48 dchud hidden passageways? sounds like a breakout session to me 2009-02-22 18:24:03 dchud dlovins: just include that in your tweet anywhere. 2009-02-22 18:24:32 dchud ze web, she is the slow 2009-02-22 18:24:48 dchud dlovins: like these: http://search.twitter.com/search?q=%23c4l09 2009-02-22 18:25:22 dchud is there food in that bar? 2009-02-22 18:26:38 dlovins dchud: got it. Thanks. 2009-02-22 18:27:06 dchud it is very odd to be talking with you here after just spending 4+ hours with you :) 2009-02-22 18:27:26 dchud not bad, just odd :) 2009-02-22 18:28:20 dlovins dchud: I know what you mean. :-) 2009-02-22 18:29:31 dlovins Very glad to have had your company on the drive up. And then those Italian pastries hit the spot. 2009-02-22 18:30:30 dchud they were *delicious* ! 2009-02-22 18:30:44 dchud and very glad to have been the company 2009-02-22 18:40:35 edsu JodiS_: you and ksclarke traveling together? 2009-02-22 18:45:07 wickr_ wickr_ is trying to decide between food and sleep 2009-02-22 18:45:47 lbjay wickr_: isn't it 3:45 your time? 2009-02-22 18:46:39 wickr_ lbjay: maybe, but that's also about the amount of sleep I got last night 2009-02-22 18:47:04 lbjay wickr_: oh yeah. early flight. 2009-02-22 18:47:27 lbjay wickr_: who did you travel with? 2009-02-22 18:47:35 zoia New news from planetcode4lib: Engard, Nicole: NFAIS 2009: Keynote: Born Digital || Engard, Nicole: NFAIS 2009: Conference Prep 2009-02-22 18:47:49 JodiS edsu: yup 2009-02-22 18:48:11 JodiS edsu: got a message for him? 2009-02-22 18:48:43 JodiS wickr: food then sleep, IMO 2009-02-22 18:48:46 lbjay JodiS: tell him "eyes on the road, hands at 10 & 2" 2009-02-22 18:48:55 wickr_ lbjay: just me, I'm not sure if reeset or kgriggs is coming to the preconfs 2009-02-22 18:48:59 dchud food then slides for me 2009-02-22 18:49:13 dchud slides to go before i sleep, slides to go before i sleep 2009-02-22 18:49:16 JodiS breakfast before 6AM is hard to come by 2009-02-22 18:49:23 wickr_ JodiS: yeah, I probably better have a real meal today 2009-02-22 18:49:32 JodiS edsu: we're on the PHL layover part of the trip 2009-02-22 18:49:52 JodiS free_wifi++ 2009-02-22 18:56:00 edsu JodiS: cool 2009-02-22 19:03:22 edsu jdatema: you in providence? 2009-02-22 19:03:45 jdatema Yep 2009-02-22 19:03:57 jdatema Bar at 8? 2009-02-22 19:18:09 JodiS shoe: are you the shoe of http://www.linuxlibrarian.org/ ? 2009-02-22 19:18:16 zoia New news from planetcode4lib: Engard, Nicole: NFAIS 2009: Google Generation 2009-02-22 19:25:24 rsinger edsu: ok, i'm in PVD 2009-02-22 19:25:26 zoia :D 2009-02-22 19:26:19 rsinger where are we planning to meet for the preconf meeting? 2009-02-22 19:27:54 rsinger i guess i'll just go downstairs and shout assertions until i make a graph 2009-02-22 19:28:40 JodiS mjgiarlo: hotel mac & cheese as good as advertised? 2009-02-22 19:34:33 edsu jdatema: aye, bar at 8 (although it looks like a bunch of people are there already) 2009-02-22 19:58:09 edsu edsu departs bar-ward 2009-02-22 20:18:28 zoia New news from planetcode4lib: Murray, Peter: Durham Statement on Open Access to Legal Scholarship 2009-02-22 20:23:45 bess anyone know how to make changes to the conference schedule? http://code4lib.org/conference/2009/schedule 2009-02-22 20:24:18 bess I'm down as a co-presenter for Adam Soroka's presentation, which was true for about ten minutes right after we came up with the proposal idea, but things have changed since then. 2009-02-22 20:27:08 dchud bess: it's likely that if you can log in to drupal you can edit that entry 2009-02-22 20:27:38 bess dchud: I logged in, but I don't seem to be able to edit that page. I'll keep trying. 2009-02-22 20:27:48 dchud lemme check, maybe i can 2009-02-22 20:28:00 dchud (anything to avoid working on my slides! :) 2009-02-22 20:28:30 MrDys pvd++ 2009-02-22 20:28:49 dchud i can edit. you want i should just remove your name? or maybe i could just check your perms. 2009-02-22 20:29:27 bess dchud: I'm most worried about having my name removed. 2009-02-22 20:29:38 bess If you feel like checking my permissions that would be great, too, though. :) 2009-02-22 20:30:04 bess A modern open webservice-based GIS infrastructure - the only name should be Adam Soroka 2009-02-22 20:30:32 dchud you are still talking about blacklight though right? :) 2009-02-22 20:30:57 bess dchud: yes 2009-02-22 20:31:40 dchud ok, reload, does it look right now? 2009-02-22 20:32:07 bess looking... 2009-02-22 20:32:45 dchud i tweaked your perms too, see if there's an edit tab too? 2009-02-22 20:33:04 bess dchud: Yes! It's all fixed! You are awesome. 2009-02-22 20:33:14 bess dchud++ # thank you 2009-02-22 20:34:01 dchud np 2009-02-22 20:35:43 bess okay, one more question: How do I find out where the pre-conferences are happening? 2009-02-22 20:35:56 dchud is it me or does it trouble the rest of you that our new approved logo (which is very much like, otherwise) effectively only matches the token "codecodecodecode4lib" ? 2009-02-22 20:36:18 dchud bess: i got email about it, did you not? 2009-02-22 20:36:29 bess dchud: no, no emails 2009-02-22 20:36:58 bess Where is the linked data one? 2009-02-22 20:37:01 dchud hrm, i'll check mine 2009-02-22 20:37:06 MrDys bess: ballroom 2009-02-22 20:37:07 dchud it's here in the hotel 2009-02-22 20:37:08 MrDys of the hotel 2009-02-22 20:37:11 bess sweet 2009-02-22 20:37:15 bess How about the XML one? 2009-02-22 20:37:21 jbrinley dchud: s/codecodecodecode4lib/codecodecodecodelib/ 2009-02-22 20:37:35 bess (three people in my hotel room, all signed up for different workshops, none of whom know where their workshops are) 2009-02-22 20:37:47 dchud jbrinley: gack! oops, sorry. :) 2009-02-22 20:38:06 dchud jbrinley: did that issue come up at all during the planning/review? just curious. i really do like it :) 2009-02-22 20:38:27 MrDys dchud: don't remember anyone mentioning it 2009-02-22 20:38:39 jbrinley dchud: I doubt it (but I wasn't involved enough to really know) 2009-02-22 20:38:49 jbrinley dchud: ask royt_bar 2009-02-22 20:39:20 dchud i'll ask him. it's funny in a way though, it kinda sounds like a rallying cry: code code code codelib! 2009-02-22 20:40:50 bess So is there a list of where all of the pre-conferences are happening tomorrow? 2009-02-22 20:40:54 jeff ba ba ba, ba barbara-ann... 2009-02-22 20:40:55 MrDys hmmm...mall or hotel bar for dinner? 2009-02-22 20:41:07 bess MrDys: the hotel bar is pretty good. 2009-02-22 20:42:08 MrDys the hotel bar website needs some work, though 2009-02-22 20:42:12 dchud fwiw there are shuttle vans set up to take people over to brown for some of the pre-confs, but i'm not sure which are over there 2009-02-22 20:42:27 dchud jeff: are you here in PVD? 2009-02-22 20:42:33 jbrinley I thought all but linked-data were at Brown 2009-02-22 20:42:51 MrDys jbrinley: that's the sense that I got too with all of the shuttle announcements 2009-02-22 20:43:13 jeff dchud: alas, no 2009-02-22 20:44:06 jeff i'm upgrading servers and hacking on evergreen patron notification 2009-02-22 20:44:08 bess bess just found the email with all the pre-conference locations. Is there a reason why this data should not go on the conference page? 2009-02-22 20:44:25 jbrinley bess: because you didn't put it there 2009-02-22 20:44:31 dchud heh 2009-02-22 20:44:40 dchud jeff: well show up one of these years, eh? :) 2009-02-22 20:44:42 bess jbrinley: good answer. I just wanted to make sure there wasn't some reason for not publishing it. 2009-02-22 20:44:48 jeff dchud: one of these years :) 2009-02-22 20:45:09 dchud bess: i can't think of a reason either 2009-02-22 20:45:20 jeff dchud: i should be at eg09 in may. that will hopefully be fun. :) 2009-02-22 20:48:20 dchud Chris Catalfo works at librarything now? 2009-02-22 20:59:21 MrDys well shit. it would appear that the mall is closed. 2009-02-22 21:01:35 bess The latest list of pre-conference locations I see is from February 5: http://groups.google.com/group/code4libcon/browse_thread/thread/0adf094f69b08da7# 2009-02-22 21:01:42 bess Is there any data more recent than that? 2009-02-22 21:01:56 bess I notice that at least one location (the XML workshop) has changed 2009-02-22 21:02:16 bess I'd like to update the pre-conf page with the locations, but I don't want to put outdated info up there. 2009-02-22 21:02:20 MrDys bess: I'm pretty sure that none got added post-registration 2009-02-22 21:02:45 MrDys hmm let me check the e-mail 2009-02-22 21:02:46 bess MrDys: but did any get moved to different locations? 2009-02-22 21:03:43 MrDys bess: since I'm only registered for linked data, it only gave me the linked data location :( 2009-02-22 21:03:54 bess yeah. 2009-02-22 21:04:29 bess well, I'll put the data from the email up there and email Bonnie and Birkin and ask them to check it 2009-02-22 21:19:12 dchud hey wtd, hey fak3r 2009-02-22 21:19:16 dchud are y'all here? 2009-02-22 21:19:35 MrDys are people still at the bar? 2009-02-22 21:20:15 jbrinley MrDys: between now and Friday, how often do you think people won't be at the bar? 2009-02-22 21:20:50 MrDys probably only when they're at the conference... 2009-02-22 21:22:22 wtd Hey dchud. Yeah, I'm here. 2009-02-22 21:22:34 dchud WOOH! another wtd sighting. it's been too long, man :) 2009-02-22 21:22:46 dchud i'm hacking on my slides or i'd offer to buy you a drink 2009-02-22 21:22:55 wtd Heh, same here. 2009-02-22 21:23:07 dchud are you speaking tomorrow? or your 20-min talk slides? 2009-02-22 21:23:20 wtd My Wednesday slides, with JodiS. 2009-02-22 21:24:15 wtd I hope my luggage has arrived by Wednesday or I will look pretty grubby up there. Air Canada sacrificed luggage for fuel on my flight. 2009-02-22 21:25:14 dbs aircanada-- 2009-02-22 21:26:06 bess I updated the locations of the pre-conferences here: http://code4lib.org/node/266#preconferences I would be very happy if someone would check to make sure my information isn't out of date. 2009-02-22 21:27:28 dchud wtd: ack! 2009-02-22 21:27:32 dchud air_canada-- 2009-02-22 21:27:43 jbrinley bess++ 2009-02-22 21:27:48 dchud now you know what we deal with when we head up to access :) 2009-02-22 21:28:08 bess okay, one more dumb question 2009-02-22 21:28:18 bess what time do the pre-conferences happen? 2009-02-22 21:28:25 dchud start at 9 2009-02-22 21:28:50 bess 9 - 12 and 1 - 4? 2009-02-22 21:29:24 wtd dchud: Got some aggro from a Homeland Security guy too. He put a note on my file. Somehow he got the idea I was getting paid to speak. :( 2009-02-22 21:29:29 jbrinley bess: LOD preconf is 9-12 and 1:30-4:30, I think 2009-02-22 21:30:05 bess is that the same schedule for all of them, do we know? 2009-02-22 21:31:42 bess well, it is now, because I don't see the times listed anywhere 2009-02-22 21:34:15 bess okay, we've got what, where, and when covered for the pre-conferences in a central location. http://code4lib.org/node/266 2009-02-22 21:34:46 jbrinley bess++ 2009-02-22 21:40:34 dchud wtd: oops. 2009-02-22 21:43:44 wtd dchud: From your FOAF file, I detect a liking for Slim Gaillard. 2009-02-22 21:46:58 bess My foaf has disappeared from the list. You guys don't like me anymore or what? No one wants to be my friend? 2009-02-22 21:47:26 bess Didn't royt's keep disappearing yesterday? What was the fix? 2009-02-22 21:48:31 wtd Where's your FOAF, bess? 2009-02-22 21:48:38 zoia New news from planetcode4lib: O'Steen, Ben: Handling Tabular data 2009-02-22 21:49:03 bess www.ibiblio.org/bess/foaf.rdf#me 2009-02-22 21:51:40 wtd edsu's thing only lists people who say they're attending the linked data preconf. 2009-02-22 21:52:02 wtd I added you to mine. 2009-02-22 21:52:56 bess wtd: thank you. 2009-02-22 21:54:55 bess wtd: isn't this what I want? 2009-02-22 21:55:25 bess or is there a more specific way to indicate attendance at the linked data preconf? 2009-02-22 21:56:17 wtd For added geekiness, you need: 2009-02-22 22:04:09 bess wtd: okay, added it. thank you. I always want as much geekiness as possible. :) 2009-02-22 22:05:40 wtd But now you have to come to the linked data session, or you'd be lying, and that would be terrible. 2009-02-22 22:05:56 dchud UNTRUTHS IN THE LINKED DATA CLOUD CALL THE POLICE 2009-02-22 22:06:18 dchud i kinda want some dessert. anybody know if the restaurant is still open? 2009-02-22 22:06:20 dbs dbs wonders how many people deliberately introduced lies into their FOAF 2009-02-22 22:06:36 dchud dchud whistles unguiltily 2009-02-22 22:06:47 wtd dchud: I think they said until 11. 2009-02-22 22:07:07 dchud wtd: hey lemme buy you a nightcap then... you can bring your laptop if i can bring mine 2009-02-22 22:07:36 wtd Deal. I'll see you down there. 2009-02-22 22:07:40 dchud woot! 2009-02-22 23:11:57 jstroop anyone in here who can assert that they know me before the linked data preconf? 2009-02-22 23:12:58 dchud the bar, the bar 2009-02-22 23:19:03 zoia New news from planetcode4lib: Schmidt, Aaron: I Ditched Google Reader & Gmail to Increase My Productivity 2009-02-22 23:44:49 anarchivist @quote random 2009-02-22 23:44:51 zoia anarchivist: Quote #737: " i prefer well-travelled metadata; it has more perspective" (added by gsf at 05:50 PM, February 27, 2007) 2009-02-22 23:45:15 wtd dchud++ 2009-02-22 23:45:25 dchud_ what was that for? 2009-02-22 23:46:00 anarchivist dchud: oh, hey, tom hyry said this via facebook 2009-02-22 23:46:06 anarchivist "When you see Dan, say "Chudley my good man!"" 2009-02-22 23:46:13 dchud haw! 2009-02-22 23:46:23 dchud we had breakfast together this morning :) 2009-02-22 23:50:54 wtd dchud: For the wine. 2009-02-22 23:51:13 dchud oh! well, my pleasure :) 2009-02-22 23:52:51 dchud go slumdog go 2009-02-22 23:52:57 dchud wooh! 2009-02-22 23:53:11 dchud hooray... what a great movie. 2009-02-22 23:53:40 dchud oh neat, all the actors are up there 2009-02-22 23:54:53 wtd It won best picture? I just saw it last night. 2009-02-22 23:55:08 dchud yep! they're saying thank you right now 2009-02-22 23:55:25 BigD did they break out into a huge dance number? 2009-02-22 23:55:32 dchud i'm hoping! 2009-02-23 00:00:50 royt_bar royt_bar is really glad that slumdog millionniaire won it 2009-02-23 00:01:09 anarchivist anarchivist wants a sandwich really bad 2009-02-23 00:01:54 royt_bar way past time to hit the sack, night all 2009-02-23 00:12:17 dchud gosh, if royt were really sleepy, maybe he should've left the bar 2009-02-23 00:12:47 anarchivist dchud++ 2009-02-23 00:13:07 edsu bizarrr 2009-02-23 00:13:19 anarchivist @quote random 2009-02-23 00:13:19 zoia anarchivist: Quote #1123: " it's all stupid" (added by jbrinley at 04:30 PM, January 10, 2008) 2009-02-23 00:17:04 BigD i should be asleep 2009-02-23 00:17:07 BigD it's not happening 2009-02-23 00:17:45 edsu edsu passes out in stupor 2009-02-23 00:18:07 BigD heh, i'll be really loud at the preconf 2009-02-23 00:18:12 BigD for yer hangover ;) 2009-02-23 00:18:19 anarchivist BigD++ 2009-02-23 00:18:38 anarchivist http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bxQHCClZDLU 2009-02-23 00:19:54 BigD anarchivist: um, i know yer in a hotel room, presumably alone... but that's oversharing... 2009-02-23 00:19:55 BigD ;) 2009-02-23 00:20:21 anarchivist BigD: let me show you my wii 2009-02-23 00:20:55 BigD yer wobbly one? 2009-02-23 00:21:04 anarchivist @ana my wobbly wii 2009-02-23 00:21:06 zoia anarchivist: Im wily bow by 2009-02-23 00:21:12 anarchivist @hussein my wobbly wii 2009-02-23 00:21:13 zoia anarchivist: Boyishly win wise bum 2009-02-23 00:21:16 BigD there's a wii fit joke in there, but i stopped drinking... ;) 2009-02-23 00:24:00 dchud this hdtv is pretty impressive. i might have to get one. 2009-02-23 01:17:24 zoia New news from planetcode4lib: Reese, Terry: WorldCat API: draft ruby gem 2009-02-23 03:17:38 zoia New news from planetcode4lib: Spalding, Tim (Thingology): Research libraries clobber OCLC Policy 2009-02-23 07:27:37 jbrinley @quote random 2009-02-23 07:27:37 zoia jbrinley: Quote #823: " I skipped Denial and went straight to Anger. If I make it to Bargaining, it will be with another vendor, or Open Source of some sort." (added by ksclarke at 05:05 PM, April 11, 2007) 2009-02-23 07:27:56 kgs hey, can we do preconferences here, in our jammies? it's cold out 2009-02-23 07:28:05 royt kgs++ 2009-02-23 07:30:31 kgs royt I think I'll follow miker_ to the vufind session in the morning but could head to the grid services thing in the afternoon and tape some of it or just do some interviews 2009-02-23 07:31:13 kgs sort of "this is code4lib" a la "this is spinal tap" 2009-02-23 07:36:26 royt kgs: ok, cool. the afternoon is largely a free-form work session, just so you know 2009-02-23 07:36:31 royt time to head out... 2009-02-23 07:37:18 kgs hmmm... ok in that case, I'll come back here and work :) have a good session royt! 2009-02-23 07:37:30 royt ok, thanks! 2009-02-23 08:18:20 zoia New news from planetcode4lib: Schmidt, Aaron: text message notifications from the DCPL 2009-02-23 08:19:43 MrDys MrDys yawns 2009-02-23 08:19:45 zoia MrDys: WAKE UP! 2009-02-23 08:19:54 MrDys oh that zoia 2009-02-23 08:22:29 jbrinley @quote random 2009-02-23 08:22:29 zoia jbrinley: Quote #216: "(16:20:53) tholbroo: i wipe a kid every day" (added by robcaSSon at 04:25 PM, March 02, 2006) 2009-02-23 08:23:18 cazzerson huh, just saw a wikipedia ad on USA 2009-02-23 08:23:52 cazzerson "Jimmy Wales: Character Approved" 2009-02-23 08:24:29 dchud too many slides, not enough sleep 2009-02-23 08:31:57 lbjay the wireless FAILs have begun 2009-02-23 08:32:12 MrDys I woke up earlier for this preconf that I do for my normal job. 2009-02-23 08:32:20 MrDys I hope you're happy, code4lib 2009-02-23 08:46:38 mib_2ljr8ssb anyone here? 2009-02-23 08:55:11 BigD so sleepy 2009-02-23 08:55:59 royt BigD: you and me both 2009-02-23 08:56:04 BigD diet coke for breakfast++ 2009-02-23 08:56:26 BigD i gotta say, the pre-thought given to this event here at Brown is impressive 2009-02-23 08:56:44 MrDys- | plentiful_power_strips++ 2009-02-23 08:57:18 dlovins Rice crispy treats++ 2009-02-23 08:57:33 BigD i thought dlovins was a made up name 2009-02-23 08:57:35 BigD mclovin 2009-02-23 08:57:44 mib_2ljr8ssb separate rooms for each preconference? 2009-02-23 08:58:00 mib_2ljr8ssb i mean separate irc chat rooms 2009-02-23 08:58:03 BigD posthumous too... but he's real. 2009-02-23 08:58:19 BigD we could, but i kind like to sample from all of them 2009-02-23 08:59:05 dlovins BigD: My dad "Lovins" married a woman named "Loving". It's true. 2009-02-23 08:59:27 BigD i gotta call BS on that. 2009-02-23 08:59:31 BigD yer a construct 2009-02-23 08:59:59 jbrinley mib_2ljr8ssb: I should hope not 2009-02-23 09:00:03 thePersonFor thePersonFor ugh... I wanted my name to be "thePersonFormerlyKnownAsBLTnoTomatoes" 2009-02-23 09:00:43 dlovins My dad hails from the Lovinskys of eastern Europe. My step-mom from Loving Country, Texas. 2009-02-23 09:01:04 dlovins :s/Country/County 2009-02-23 09:01:43 BigD dlovins: 2009-02-23 09:02:01 BigD dlovins: of course, with a goofy name like Declan, i don't have much room to talk... 2009-02-23 09:03:02 dchud BigD: i can vouch for him, i've met dlovins' father and his wife :) 2009-02-23 09:05:18 BigD dchud: i don't believe in u either 2009-02-23 09:05:39 BigD anarchivist: i got a picture of you on the weekends http://www.flickr.com/photos/bigdpix/3298982025/ 2009-02-23 09:05:47 mjg_ if edsu starts putting up slides of timbl's personal affects, I am going to be scared. 2009-02-23 09:05:57 anarchivist BigD++ 2009-02-23 09:05:58 BigD http://www.flickr.com/photos/bigdpix/3298981101/ great hair 2009-02-23 09:06:00 lbjay what is JodiS doing? 2009-02-23 09:06:15 lbjay ahh 2009-02-23 09:06:20 mbklein Nothing in Tim Berners-Lee's web proposal about pr0n or herbal V1AG4A 2009-02-23 09:06:24 mjg_ "This is a picture I took of the dumpster outside timbl's flat, and I am pretty sure it's got some bread he chewed in it." 2009-02-23 09:06:50 BigD timbl stole my magneto optical disks 2009-02-23 09:06:59 anarchivist SGML-- 2009-02-23 09:07:10 jtgorman_ jtgorman_ hears the "all circuits busy" phone message for the first time in the long time 2009-02-23 09:07:44 anarchivist sounds like oclc 2009-02-23 09:07:56 jtgorman_ anarchivist: hope you don't have to parse it 2009-02-23 09:08:08 lbjay @dict louche 2009-02-23 09:08:10 zoia lbjay: wn and gcide responded: wn: louche adj : of questionable taste or morality; "a louche nightclub"; "a louche painting" [syn: {shady}]; gcide: louche \louche\ adj. of questionable taste, decency, or morality; not reputable; as, a louche nightclub; a louche painting. Syn: shady. [WordNet 1.5 +PJC] 2009-02-23 09:08:21 mjg_ Andy, Jean-Claude's lesser-known brother (who's also got an awesome split move) 2009-02-23 09:08:24 BigD sweet specs 2009-02-23 09:08:42 BigD heh, i built a light pen once 2009-02-23 09:08:50 anarchivist BigD: that will be my new look 2009-02-23 09:09:04 mbklein BigD: Can you build me a shark with frickin' laser beams on its head? 2009-02-23 09:09:08 BigD he's a fun dude. richandcreamy 2009-02-23 09:09:50 JodiS as we may think! :) 2009-02-23 09:09:52 BigD http://www.flickr.com/photos/berichandcreamy/ 2009-02-23 09:10:03 BigD hi jodi! 2009-02-23 09:10:19 anarchivist soybars+- 2009-02-23 09:10:28 anarchivist weird_aftertaste-- 2009-02-23 09:10:44 lbjay JodiS: you are recording audio? 2009-02-23 09:10:47 mbklein "HERE BE DRAGONS" 2009-02-23 09:10:52 JodiS lbjay: I think so :) 2009-02-23 09:11:01 mjg_ mbklein++ 2009-02-23 09:11:02 lbjay Mordor is off the map to the right 2009-02-23 09:11:28 jtgorman_ jtgorman_ prepares to live vicariously through pre-conf folks 2009-02-23 09:11:29 JodiS BigD: thanks for your taxi tip :) 2009-02-23 09:11:41 BigD that's a very ugly tetris 2009-02-23 09:11:44 jtgorman_ I also prepare to be extremely, extremley confused 2009-02-23 09:11:51 jbrinley jbrinley starts to pepper the channel with false info to throw off jtgorman_ 2009-02-23 09:11:53 lbjay BigD: don't tip the librarians, please 2009-02-23 09:11:54 anarchivist cakes++ 2009-02-23 09:11:55 mjg_ TAKE ME TO YOUR LEAAAAAADER 2009-02-23 09:11:56 BigD JodiS: did you find vphill? 2009-02-23 09:12:11 jeff jtgorman_: yeah, non-con talk in here is somewhat impractical during conferences :) 2009-02-23 09:12:19 JodiS BigD: no, but appreciate it anyway :) 2009-02-23 09:12:27 BigD wow, how did he get tim berners lee to show up?!? 2009-02-23 09:12:34 lbjay anyone here from one of the other preconfs? 2009-02-23 09:12:39 anarchivist omg 2009-02-23 09:12:42 BigD i have that outfit 2009-02-23 09:12:45 MrDys MrDys windmills 2009-02-23 09:12:47 JodiS "break"ing it down 2009-02-23 09:12:48 anarchivist edsu: breakdance already 2009-02-23 09:12:55 JodiS anarchivist++ 2009-02-23 09:12:55 BigD tbl was a breakdancer 2009-02-23 09:12:55 mbklein lbjay: 2009-02-23 09:13:00 anarchivist pop and lock! pop and lock! 2009-02-23 09:13:03 BigD bust a move 2009-02-23 09:13:15 JodiS jtgorman_: for context: http://code4lib.org/node/266#preconferences 2009-02-23 09:13:22 jtgorman_ BigD: last time I tried to bust a move, the move busted me. 2009-02-23 09:13:28 jtgorman_ jtgorman_ has been dying to say that one for a while 2009-02-23 09:13:43 BigD jtgorman_: yer welcome 2009-02-23 09:13:45 JodiS didn't know that was how you pronounced SWEO 2009-02-23 09:13:51 mbklein jtgorman++ # for keeping a breakdancing gag in reserve 2009-02-23 09:14:08 BigD i've been trying to think of something funny to say around "can't touch this" but it kinda speaks for itself 2009-02-23 09:14:28 JodiS BigD: do-duh-duh-duh 2009-02-23 09:14:32 JodiS :) 2009-02-23 09:14:52 BigD friends of hello kitty 2009-02-23 09:15:00 jbrinley http://www.adeliedesign.com/wp/wp-content/uploads/2008/08/jon.png 2009-02-23 09:15:04 jbrinley ^ /me 2009-02-23 09:15:07 mbklein Did anyone notice the in-room minibar special order menu? "Trail Mix $7 / Intimacy Kit $12 / Reddi Whip $9" 2009-02-23 09:15:07 JodiS JodiS pulls open the FOAF again 2009-02-23 09:15:13 BigD this is how edsu get's ppl up to his room... 2009-02-23 09:15:29 MrDys whippits, aight 2009-02-23 09:15:31 royt jbrinley: that is *such* a good likeness 2009-02-23 09:15:31 anarchivist mbklein: yeah 2009-02-23 09:15:33 fak3r ctrl-R on my foaf 2009-02-23 09:16:05 anarchivist foaf.load() 2009-02-23 09:16:36 fak3r bear with us? lead with the positive! 2009-02-23 09:16:39 JodiS wiki page: http://wiki.code4lib.org/index.php/LinkedData 2009-02-23 09:16:41 BigD this is some dude 2009-02-23 09:16:55 JodiS edsu: can you link to your slides at the wiki? 2009-02-23 09:17:00 mbklein mjg_: foaf-visualizer.org still thinks I'm you. 2009-02-23 09:17:00 MrDys that's the best pronounciation of 'talis' I've ever heard 2009-02-23 09:17:11 jbrinley the_t_in_that_font-- 2009-02-23 09:17:12 anarchivist i'm gad that my patch for enjoysthin.gs in foaf app works, even though i'm the only one using it 2009-02-23 09:17:12 mjg_ foaf-visualizer.org-- 2009-02-23 09:17:18 mbklein What's that font? 2009-02-23 09:17:20 lbjay lbjay steals ed's slide of the lod cloud 2009-02-23 09:17:24 anarchivist mbklein: coolvetica 2009-02-23 09:17:39 mbklein anarchivist++ 2009-02-23 09:17:45 fak3r that's a sweet font... 2009-02-23 09:17:49 jbrinley jbrinley sees "creabed by..." 2009-02-23 09:17:50 anarchivist mbklein: no idea why i remember that 2009-02-23 09:18:01 MrDys the type nerd in me is annoyed by the kerning in that font 2009-02-23 09:18:07 MrDys but yes, it has character 2009-02-23 09:18:15 BigD isn't that the "Catch Me if You Can" font? 2009-02-23 09:18:18 fak3r those 't's blow me away! woot 2009-02-23 09:18:21 anarchivist gill_sans++ 2009-02-23 09:18:25 zoia New news from planetcode4lib: Reese, Terry: On my way to Providence 2009-02-23 09:18:27 fak3r BigD: right! 2009-02-23 09:18:39 BigD 70s++ 2009-02-23 09:18:42 jbrinley jbrinley starts a fight with fak3r 2009-02-23 09:18:54 mbklein The lowercase y's are nice too. 2009-02-23 09:19:27 rsinger why did i sit in the back row? 2009-02-23 09:19:30 MrDys outlook_web_client-- 2009-02-23 09:19:31 fak3r it's a good test to see if you need glasses 2009-02-23 09:19:54 anarchivist rsinger: forget your tin ear, old man? 2009-02-23 09:19:54 fak3r jjtuttle: hey, sorry you're not here 2009-02-23 09:20:02 rsinger x-ray glasses to see through the guy's head in front of me 2009-02-23 09:20:10 fak3r jbrinley: "I want you to hit me as hard as you can..." 2009-02-23 09:20:18 BigD jjtuttle: usck for not coming! 2009-02-23 09:20:24 jbrinley rsinger: there's a spot in row 2 2009-02-23 09:20:24 edsu glad that's over ... :) 2009-02-23 09:20:31 rsinger anarchivist: i can never understand what ian or any of my other coworkers say anyway 2009-02-23 09:20:35 edsu can i go to the bar now? 2009-02-23 09:20:39 jbrinley rsinger++ 2009-02-23 09:20:40 jjtuttle BigD: wasn't my choice. Statewide travel ban. 2009-02-23 09:20:43 fak3r is this going to be on the test? 2009-02-23 09:20:46 fak3r rsinger: ++ 2009-02-23 09:20:49 edsu JodiS: yeah, i can link the slides 2009-02-23 09:20:52 BigD jjtuttle: they impounded yer car? 2009-02-23 09:21:04 anarchivist edsu: i think mbklein ordered the intimacy kit to be sent down to the lod preconf 2009-02-23 09:21:05 JodiS thanks, edsu. nice job, btw! 2009-02-23 09:21:07 BigD it's worth it to pay yer own $ just to come see me 2009-02-23 09:21:11 jjtuttle vphill_: hey, what's up 2009-02-23 09:21:13 JodiS mbklein-- 2009-02-23 09:21:18 BigD now i just gotta cuddle with vphill_ 2009-02-23 09:21:21 JodiS anarchivist-- #for good measure 2009-02-23 09:21:35 vphill_ jjtuttle: nadda, 2009-02-23 09:21:37 jjtuttle well, give Jason Casden a big hug from me 2009-02-23 09:22:00 mbklein JodiS: :( 2009-02-23 09:22:02 mbklein :) 2009-02-23 09:22:07 JodiS :) 2009-02-23 09:22:22 mbklein anarchivist: This whole room will be filled with Reddi Whip by lunch. 2009-02-23 09:22:26 anarchivist the reddi whip weirded me out on the menu, mostly because i noticed it before i saw the "intimacy kit" 2009-02-23 09:22:28 jtgorman_ kgs++ 2009-02-23 09:22:32 vphill_ jjtuttle: he is sitting right in front of me, I could kick him... 2009-02-23 09:22:33 jjtuttle hey fak3r long time no see 2009-02-23 09:22:34 mbklein mbklein is now IRC-ing in Coolvetica 2009-02-23 09:22:43 BigD mbklein: I'm always full of rediwhip 2009-02-23 09:22:50 anarchivist mbklein: i want a room full of some sort of foaf-foam 2009-02-23 09:22:51 fak3r jjtuttle: I hear ya, saw declan last night right off the bat 2009-02-23 09:22:52 MrDys oh, jrochkind opted to sleep rather than to link data, and he sends his regards 2009-02-23 09:23:05 fak3r jjtuttle: ppl are talking about access being at PEI this year 2009-02-23 09:23:22 mbklein anarchivist: There's a combo called "Party All Night": Intimacy Kit, Reddi Whip, and a split of Champagne for $95. 2009-02-23 09:23:29 BigD fak3r: this might be the first access i miss 2009-02-23 09:23:29 jjtuttle fak3r: it's a little too small, if you ask me 2009-02-23 09:23:33 BigD friggin budget 2009-02-23 09:23:58 jtgorman_ jtgorman_ is hoping to make Access this year since he didn't make code4lib 2009-02-23 09:23:58 fak3r jjtuttle: really 2009-02-23 09:24:00 JodiS jjtuttle: PEI too small for access? 2009-02-23 09:24:12 vphill_ jjtuttle: what no access? boo 2009-02-23 09:24:14 BigD JodiS: it's too small to live on 2009-02-23 09:24:18 JodiS JodiS wants to get BOTH to access AND PEI. Hopefully both at once this year 2009-02-23 09:24:18 BigD but fine for access 2009-02-23 09:24:20 fak3r BigD: this needs to all be online, skype, video conf - ppl contributing via IRC/Twitter/foo 2009-02-23 09:24:20 anarchivist ann_of_green_cabes++ 2009-02-23 09:24:24 jbrinley Access: the place for people who can't get into code4lib 2009-02-23 09:24:24 jjtuttle PEI is too small for conferences 2009-02-23 09:24:25 anarchivist ann_of_green_cables++ 2009-02-23 09:24:25 mbklein The only reason I got to come to code4lib is that I (a) drove, (b) paid my own registration, and (c) I'm bunking in with Scot (who actually got approved to attend) 2009-02-23 09:24:34 JodiS Scot++ #for sharing 2009-02-23 09:24:39 anarchivist Scot++ 2009-02-23 09:24:41 JodiS mbklein++ #for showing up 2009-02-23 09:24:57 fak3r dc:ftw! 2009-02-23 09:25:17 edsu JodiS: is it non-obvious how i linked them from the wiki? 2009-02-23 09:25:18 dchud jbrinley: i object. if i had to pick one, i'd pick access. 2009-02-23 09:25:19 BigD here's Ann: http://www.flickr.com/photos/bigdpix/2774225269/in/set-72157606811160009/ 2009-02-23 09:25:25 dchud more drinking. 2009-02-23 09:25:35 fak3r dchud: PEI is a great place 2009-02-23 09:25:36 jbrinley dchud: I jest. I've never been to Access. 2009-02-23 09:25:43 rsinger dchud: and fewer nerds 2009-02-23 09:25:56 dchud rsinger: not this year, i'm BACK baby 2009-02-23 09:25:58 rsinger all these g.d. nerds 2009-02-23 09:26:09 dchud fak3r: indeed! i can't wait to get up there 2009-02-23 09:26:20 anarchivist rsinger: watch it, four eyes 2009-02-23 09:26:21 BigD it is very pretty 2009-02-23 09:26:27 mbklein BigD: I like http://www.flickr.com/photos/bigdpix/2775078812/in/set-72157606811160009/ :) 2009-02-23 09:26:31 jjtuttle Access is sort of like c4l, except fewer geeks and more cute Canadian public librarians 2009-02-23 09:26:32 dchud jbrinley: this year would be a good first time to go... Mark Leggott is sure to put on a good show 2009-02-23 09:26:36 mbklein BigD: That's a good look for you. 2009-02-23 09:26:48 jbrinley when is Access? May? 2009-02-23 09:26:55 rsinger rsinger hands anarchivist a mirror 2009-02-23 09:26:56 bess jbrinley: October, I tink 2009-02-23 09:26:57 anarchivist BigD: http://flickr.com/photos/bigdpix/2299726147/ 2009-02-23 09:26:59 bess think 2009-02-23 09:27:03 BigD jjtuttle, fak3r, and i were in PEI in August for a Fedora conf http://www.flickr.com/photos/bigdpix/sets/72157606811160009/ 2009-02-23 09:27:03 fak3r dchud: Mark Leggott is v.cool - he's got some ideas, making them happen 2009-02-23 09:27:04 vphill_ dchud: was talking with mark this week, they have some good stuff planne 2009-02-23 09:27:10 dchud access is in october this year i think 2009-02-23 09:27:12 jbrinley hmm, October may be a good time for a conference 2009-02-23 09:27:17 anarchivist BigD: i bet that was pretty wild 2009-02-23 09:27:18 jbrinley new fiscal year... 2009-02-23 09:27:25 MrDys a good time for a spoooooky conference 2009-02-23 09:27:32 anarchivist repositories_gone_wild-- 2009-02-23 09:27:35 JodiS edsu: yeah. I'd move the planning stuff to the bottom, put the agenda with links at the top. missed it the first time. 2009-02-23 09:27:39 jtgorman_ hmmm...if it's October it falls into the next fiscal year, which means I'll have to miss code4lib again...unless I want to pay out of pocket ... 2009-02-23 09:27:39 rsinger isnt it usually scheduled around canadian thanksgiving? 2009-02-23 09:27:40 jtgorman_ :( 2009-02-23 09:27:44 dchud jjtuttle: without access, we wouldn't even have a code4lib 2009-02-23 09:27:53 edsu JodiS: can you adjust it? 2009-02-23 09:27:56 jjtuttle access++ 2009-02-23 09:27:56 rsinger vancouver_harbor_cruise++ 2009-02-23 09:27:58 JodiS JodiS could do with a cute Canadian public librarian :) 2009-02-23 09:28:02 JodiS edsu: sure 2009-02-23 09:28:03 rsinger in_the_thick_fog++ 2009-02-23 09:28:21 jtgorman_ don't suppose they know where it'll be by July so I can get the plane tickets a couple of months ahead of time... 2009-02-23 09:28:25 bess JodiS: guybrarians++ 2009-02-23 09:28:27 dchud i paid my way here so i could get funding for access 2009-02-23 09:28:31 jjtuttle dchud: Hey, I wasn't knocking access! 2009-02-23 09:28:33 dchud dchud keeps fingers crossed 2009-02-23 09:28:36 JodiS bess: gender not specified :) 2009-02-23 09:28:50 dchud jjtuttle: i am nearly as defensive about access as i am about detroit :P 2009-02-23 09:28:51 bess JodiS: fair enough. :) 2009-02-23 09:28:54 JodiS BigD: I prefer the next one of those :) 2009-02-23 09:29:03 jtgorman_ dchud: yeah, code4lib is probably the cheaper conference, at least for us folks south of the border 2009-02-23 09:29:04 anarchivist one day i'll be able to go to canada 2009-02-23 09:29:10 jjtuttle dchud: in which way does Detroit not suck? 2009-02-23 09:29:16 anarchivist detroit++ 2009-02-23 09:29:24 fak3r jjtuttle: nice pics, mine from PEI http://flickr.com/photos/fak3r/sets/72157607905125892/ 2009-02-23 09:29:24 dchud jjtuttle: you wanna take this outside? :) 2009-02-23 09:29:26 rsinger dchud: speaking of -- i'm wearing my access vancouver t-shirt right now in honor of it being the source of all this 2009-02-23 09:29:35 bess windsor++ 2009-02-23 09:29:49 mbklein bess: My daughter was reading "All-of-a-Kind Family" around the same time I got my job at the BPL. She wanted to know if I was going to be the new Library Lady. 2009-02-23 09:29:50 dchud rsinger: look up 2009-02-23 09:29:51 jtgorman_ jjtuttle: rock music? 2009-02-23 09:30:03 bess mbklein: awwww! 2009-02-23 09:30:05 rsinger artunit++ 2009-02-23 09:30:06 jjtuttle dchud: I'll be out there waiting for you, OK? Oh wait, some of us are too broke to get to Brown! 2009-02-23 09:30:14 dchud jjtuttle: haw! 2009-02-23 09:30:19 BigD i'm wearing my barcamp shirt so ppl will think i'm a hipster 2009-02-23 09:30:29 rsinger dchud: that was in edmonton, right? 2009-02-23 09:30:36 dchud detroit has more than its share of problems, but i remain fiercely loyal 2009-02-23 09:30:36 BigD i've got the hips for sure... 2009-02-23 09:30:38 anarchivist BigD: maybe you need to get some kewl glasses 2009-02-23 09:30:45 bess edmonton++ # E-ville! Represent! 2009-02-23 09:30:49 BigD anarchivist: excellent idea! 2009-02-23 09:30:51 jjtuttle fak3r: You took 1 whole picture at PEI? 2009-02-23 09:30:53 dchud rsinger: that was so long ago i don't remember. but it's from essex, ont 2009-02-23 09:30:54 anarchivist BigD's hips don't lie 2009-02-23 09:31:02 fak3r BigD: don't forget sunglasses in the daytime 2009-02-23 09:31:02 rsinger dchud: well, "duh" 2009-02-23 09:31:09 rsinger dchud: i mean where they were raffled off 2009-02-23 09:31:27 dchud er, that last slide wasn't exactly the four design rules of linked data, was it? 2009-02-23 09:31:31 anarchivist BigD++ 2009-02-23 09:31:32 dchud rsinger: i don't remember 2009-02-23 09:31:34 BigD $8 from home depot, baby 2009-02-23 09:31:38 dchud BigD is stylin' 2009-02-23 09:31:56 fak3r jjtuttle: had more pics, liked the beach ones best 2009-02-23 09:32:13 BigD fak3r: there's one picture on that page 2009-02-23 09:32:22 BigD how can it even be a set? ;) 2009-02-23 09:32:24 dchud they say that to me! both, actually 2009-02-23 09:33:14 wtd Non-information resources are "people and spaceships." I like examples like that. 2009-02-23 09:33:47 anarchivist a kitten is a non-information resource 2009-02-23 09:33:57 anarchivist ugh 2009-02-23 09:34:07 anarchivist now i have to work lolcats into my slides 2009-02-23 09:34:10 rsinger anarchivist: a cute and cuddly and delicious non-information resource 2009-02-23 09:34:11 fak3r BigD: sry, still new to cut/pasting hows this? http://flickr.com/photos/fak3r/sets/72157607905125892/ 2009-02-23 09:34:23 dchud anarchivist: no, you don't. really, you don't. 2009-02-23 09:34:29 anarchivist dchud: :) 2009-02-23 09:34:31 dchud didn't we wear that out in '07? 2009-02-23 09:34:31 rsinger wait, did i say delicious? 2009-02-23 09:34:34 BigD fak3r: still i pic 2009-02-23 09:34:39 fak3r hrmf, how do you scroll up in irissi 2009-02-23 09:34:39 jbrinley rsinger: rightly so 2009-02-23 09:34:39 anarchivist dchud: nevar 4get 2009-02-23 09:34:50 BigD maybe i need to add u as a contact 2009-02-23 09:35:00 anarchivist i at least have a picture of a kitten 2009-02-23 09:35:02 rsinger jbrinley: good, i was afraid i left that out 2009-02-23 09:35:42 dchud oh, is that how you say "SIOC"? "shock"? that makes sense. 2009-02-23 09:35:47 MrDys fak3r: shift+pg up? 2009-02-23 09:36:01 rsinger dchud: yeah, it took ian telling me that to know, too 2009-02-23 09:36:03 fak3r BigD: it pulls up my set here. how about http://flickr.com/photos/fak3r/sets/72157607905125892/detail/ 2009-02-23 09:36:06 BigD dchud: i like that pronounciation! 2009-02-23 09:36:10 dlovins @google sioc 2009-02-23 09:36:12 zoia dlovins: Search took 0.18 seconds: sioc -project.org | Semantically-Interlinked Online Communities: ; Semantically-Interlinked Online Communities - Wikipedia, the free ...: ; Southern Illinois Orthopedic Center - SIOC: ; California State Information Officers Council: ; Federal Bureau of Investigation - FBI (2 more messages) 2009-02-23 09:36:18 anarchivist sioc++ 2009-02-23 09:36:22 jbrinley jbrinley always assumed "psy-ock" 2009-02-23 09:36:34 fak3r BigD: otherwise http://flickr.com/photos/fak3r/ -- PEI 3rd down on the right 2009-02-23 09:36:35 dchud dchud assumed "ess eye oh see" 2009-02-23 09:36:37 MrDys psy_ops++ 2009-02-23 09:36:45 BigD fak3r: nope... add me as a contact? maybe you have a limit to friends only? 2009-02-23 09:37:08 lbjay whew, he was starting to overlap w/ my stuff 2009-02-23 09:37:13 jtgorman_ anarchivist: is it a free mutt kitten that will become like a small cougar but love cuddling your or an expensive pure-bred kitten that will take tons of money to treat some strange, difficult to pin down genetic issues who mostly ignores you? 2009-02-23 09:37:20 jtgorman_ s/love/loves/ 2009-02-23 09:37:27 anarchivist dchud, jbrinley : it's based on gaelic pronunciation, presumably because it was created in ireland 2009-02-23 09:37:40 dchud lbjay: i am kinda counting on all of you to explain things that i skip past rapidly in my slides 2009-02-23 09:37:55 dchud anarchivist: oh, right 2009-02-23 09:38:01 BigD it broke edsu's scripts! 2009-02-23 09:38:04 jtgorman_ jtgorman_ latest response to "well, open source is like free kittens!"...kinda "closed source is like pure-bred kittens that costs lot of $$ and have genetic issues" wheee 2009-02-23 09:38:11 jbrinley jbrinley needs to learn gealic 2009-02-23 09:38:14 fak3r BigD: bah, it was permissions. should be ok now 2009-02-23 09:38:36 jbrinley jtgorman_: but at least it's hypoallergenic! 2009-02-23 09:38:39 BillDueber jbrinley: gaelic??? 2009-02-23 09:38:47 pmurray So, have things gotten started in Providence, or is this just the typical Monday morning chatter? 2009-02-23 09:39:00 MrDys pmurray: oh it's on 2009-02-23 09:39:10 jtgorman_ jbrinley++ 2009-02-23 09:39:13 BillDueber pmurray: Pre-conf sessions 2009-02-23 09:39:15 anarchivist anarchivist needs to figure out the rdf shit in drupal 2009-02-23 09:39:18 dchud i guess it would be hard to fit Accept: header examples on that slide 2009-02-23 09:39:22 BillDueber BillDueber is still in beautiful Ann Arbor. 2009-02-23 09:39:24 fak3r pmurray: it's on like donkey kong 2009-02-23 09:39:30 jbrinley anarchivist: I'm hoping there's a breakout on that this afternoon 2009-02-23 09:39:44 pmurray Ah, I just saw reference to "examples on that slide" 2009-02-23 09:39:44 anarchivist jbrinley: there's a good chance there will be i presume 2009-02-23 09:39:48 fak3r jbrinley: anarchivist: I'd be up for that 2009-02-23 09:39:53 jtgorman_ "Doctor, our kitty starts howling uncontrollably when more than three people pet her, what can we do?" 2009-02-23 09:39:57 anarchivist anarchivist tried to create his foaf file in drupal, but faied 2009-02-23 09:40:13 jtgorman_ "Tell everyone after the third person to go away or take the system down..." 2009-02-23 09:40:14 jbrinley jbrinley wants to get New York with a web browser 2009-02-23 09:40:18 jtgorman_ jtgorman_ does a tap dance 2009-02-23 09:40:20 anarchivist jtgorman_: sounds like what happens when BigD starts taking to me 2009-02-23 09:40:31 edsu dchud: they're there 2009-02-23 09:40:40 JodiS edsu: How's this now? http://wiki.code4lib.org/index.php/LinkedData 2009-02-23 09:40:53 dchud edsu: well there we go then 2009-02-23 09:40:57 edsu JodiS++ 2009-02-23 09:42:30 edsu much nicer 2009-02-23 09:42:32 jtgorman_ jtgorman_ pictures hoards of geeks wandering around Providence going to buildings "Are you my meeting place?" 2009-02-23 09:42:57 jtgorman_ when do the pre-confs start? 2009-02-23 09:43:02 anarchivist jtgorman_: now 2009-02-23 09:43:10 anarchivist or, they already have 2009-02-23 09:43:15 jbrinley jtgorman_: more specifically, 9:00 EST 2009-02-23 09:43:17 fak3r jtgorman_: -00:42 2009-02-23 09:43:18 jtgorman_ anarchivist: ok, that's what I would have thought 2009-02-23 09:43:40 jtgorman_ anarchivist: just some of the emails make it sound like people still might be lost 2009-02-23 09:43:47 bess Is there any provision for adding RDF uris to traditional library formats, e.g., marc? 2009-02-23 09:43:47 anarchivist jtgorman_: yeah, one of them moved 2009-02-23 09:44:07 jstroop edsu: am I blocked from the attendees page? I was there earlier this morning, but my name wasn't getting parsed. I fixed, but am not showing up 2009-02-23 09:44:09 JodiS bess: good question 2009-02-23 09:44:14 jbrinley @marc 846 2009-02-23 09:44:16 zoia jbrinley: unknown tag 846 2009-02-23 09:44:25 anarchivist bess: yeah, sorta 2009-02-23 09:44:25 jbrinley @marc 856 2009-02-23 09:44:25 zoia jbrinley: The information needed to locate and access an electronic resource. The field may be used in a bibliographic record for a resource when that resource or a subset of it is available electronically. In addition, it may be used to locate and access an electronic version of a non-electronic resource described in the bibliographic record or a related electronic resource. (1 more message) 2009-02-23 09:44:30 fak3r jstroop: check the last scan - see when it kicked off 2009-02-23 09:44:30 bess I'm thinking that getting the catalogers to add rdf uris to things might solve a lot of our problems with cataloging recent stuff that doesn't have (and is unlikely ever to have) LC authority headings 2009-02-23 09:44:37 JodiS bess: still no way to distinguish various kinds of 856, IIRC 2009-02-23 09:44:38 edsu 856 =~ rdfs:seeAlso # pretty much 2009-02-23 09:44:45 JodiS bess: say more 2009-02-23 09:44:52 rsinger bess: this is one of the things RDA is supposed to be addressing 2009-02-23 09:45:12 JodiS "publishing this data" is really important. who takes responsibility for persistence? 2009-02-23 09:45:18 JodiS LC-- 2009-02-23 09:45:25 lbjay jstroop: what's your uri? 2009-02-23 09:45:29 edsu @uris MARC 2009-02-23 09:45:30 mbklein BigD: re: hipsters (took me a while to find the cartoon I was looking for): http://ohnochriso.blogspot.com/2009/01/cartoon-about-mission.html 2009-02-23 09:45:31 zoia edsu: no equivalent resources found 2009-02-23 09:45:35 BillDueber JodiS: The 856 is way underspecified -- there's no good way (other than local practice / out of bandwidth docs) to determine what type of "thing" the link is pointing to. 2009-02-23 09:45:40 edsu @uri MARC 2009-02-23 09:45:42 zoia edsu: DBpedia has URIs for... 1968 births - http://dbpedia.org/resource/Marc_Anthony; 1887 births - http://dbpedia.org/resource/Marc_Chagall; 1887 births - http://dbpedia.org/resource/Marc_Mitscher; 1947 births - http://dbpedia.org/resource/Marc_Bolan; 1984 births - http://dbpedia.org/resource/Marc-Andr%C3%A9_Fleury; 1957 births - http://dbpedia.org/resource/Marc_Almond; 1970 births - http://dbpedia.org/resource/Marc_Rosset; 1st (1 more message) 2009-02-23 09:45:47 edsu d'oh :) 2009-02-23 09:45:52 jstroop lbjay: http://anearalone.com/foaf.rdf#me 2009-02-23 09:45:53 fak3r jstroop: last run was 9:41 2009-02-23 09:45:59 mjg_ @uri shitty data format 2009-02-23 09:46:01 zoia mjg_: An error has occurred and has been logged. Please contact this bot's administrator for more information. 2009-02-23 09:46:21 mbklein edsu: "...and THAT, class, is why we need URIs instead of just names." 2009-02-23 09:46:28 rsinger bess: rob styles has been working on this 2009-02-23 09:46:29 royt BillDueber: exactly, see 2009-02-23 09:46:36 lbjay jstroop: ok, i added you 2009-02-23 09:46:41 jstroop fak3r: yeah, I see. I made changes much earlier 2009-02-23 09:46:47 fak3r jstroop: I can see it, validates 2009-02-23 09:46:47 jstroop lbjay: thanks 2009-02-23 09:46:59 dchud can't we assume that 856u is implicit linking to a web 'resource' 2009-02-23 09:47:03 rsinger bess: i have too, but it's in my 10% time... thus unrealized 2009-02-23 09:47:40 bess rsinger: do you have a link to recommend about Rob's work? Or should I just google? I remember he gave a talk about rdf last year, but it wasn't on my radar much yet. And he had a code4lib journal article too, right? 2009-02-23 09:47:48 zoia New news from planetcode4lib: del.icio.us: The Code4Lib Journal - COLUMN: We Love Open Source Software. No, You Can't Have Our Code 2009-02-23 09:48:01 rsinger bess: no, the article never materialized 2009-02-23 09:48:06 dchud i have an answer to this question in my slides 2009-02-23 09:48:10 Janusman buenos dias all 2009-02-23 09:48:13 rsinger bess: never got past his editor or something 2009-02-23 09:48:18 edsu dchud: i think so 2009-02-23 09:48:26 jbrinley bess: but he did publish something else earlier (I don't remember where or when) 2009-02-23 09:48:35 fak3r dchud: distibuted network, caching data... 2009-02-23 09:48:36 rsinger bess: hang on, i have his preprint, i think 2009-02-23 09:48:41 edsu dchud: i played with creating links between records and tocs at lc a bit 2009-02-23 09:48:45 bess rsinger++ 2009-02-23 09:48:50 BillDueber UMich, in fact, has a policy of *throwing away* any 856u that isn't to full text. So, author pages, ToCs, etc. -- all gone. Ugh! 2009-02-23 09:49:07 dchud so if an 856u points to a web page that does linked-data style link-@rels, isn't that ideal? 2009-02-23 09:49:11 BillDueber royt++ # 856 analysis 2009-02-23 09:49:20 anarchivist charper++ 2009-02-23 09:49:25 lbjay iand++ 2009-02-23 09:49:26 fak3r no clapping allowed? 2009-02-23 09:49:31 edsu iand++ 2009-02-23 09:49:33 anarchivist fak3r++ 2009-02-23 09:49:36 dchud it's a little early for loud noises 2009-02-23 09:49:40 BillDueber dchud: Well, "ideal" would be being able to specify within the record what those thigns are, not having to create a web page to do that for us. 2009-02-23 09:49:41 anarchivist iand++ 2009-02-23 09:50:09 MrDys iand++ 2009-02-23 09:50:20 mjg_ charper++ # "an endless half-hour about nothing", awesome. 2009-02-23 09:50:21 dchud BillDueber: imho ideal would be if the page with the record itself were a linked data page 2009-02-23 09:50:34 dlovins "blathering about nothing" 2009-02-23 09:50:34 royt BillDueber: right, and if that is done consistently it might work. see 2009-02-23 09:50:51 fak3r jstroop: ok, I added http://anearalone.com/foaf.rdf#me to my foaf, let's see if it gets picked up next crawl 2009-02-23 09:50:52 Janusman has anyone made the opac itself be an rdf store? 2009-02-23 09:51:00 mbklein "Prefconf"++ 2009-02-23 09:51:12 Janusman or am I on pot? 2009-02-23 09:51:12 dbs BillDueber: some people here wanted me to strip non-fulltext 856's because Unicorn just shows "URL" for any 856u; fortunately I won that battle with the promise of a better system 2009-02-23 09:51:13 Janusman =) 2009-02-23 09:51:14 jstroop fak3r: thanks! 2009-02-23 09:51:20 dchud hrm, maybe i'll try to hack that into FBO today. if gsf hasn't already done that. 2009-02-23 09:51:33 fak3r jstroop: np, I just learned this last week too 2009-02-23 09:51:38 Janusman dbs: hah! love that "url" link =) 2009-02-23 09:51:38 lbjay good thing i'm following him then 2009-02-23 09:51:40 BillDueber dbs++ # for fighting (and winning) the good right 2009-02-23 09:51:43 BillDueber s/right/fight 2009-02-23 09:51:45 edsu edsu-- 2009-02-23 09:51:55 JodiS Could somebody ask iand to add his slides to http://wiki.code4lib.org/index.php/LinkedData 2009-02-23 09:52:00 JodiS <-- broken record 2009-02-23 09:52:04 mbklein dchud: Is "...if gsf hasn't already done that" one of those great passive aggressive ways to get gsf to do something? ;) 2009-02-23 09:52:21 royt JodiS++ 2009-02-23 09:52:22 rsinger bess: hold that karma, i haven't found it yet :) 2009-02-23 09:52:22 dchud mbklein: haw! i didn't mean it to be, but, yeah, i guess it might :) 2009-02-23 09:52:29 anarchivist mbklein: i usually use that construction with edsu 2009-02-23 09:52:29 mbklein JodiS++ # fighting for persistence 2009-02-23 09:52:41 bess here we go, this is exactly what I was wondering about 2009-02-23 09:52:43 JodiS dchud: wtf is a web 'resource'? 2009-02-23 09:52:47 JodiS persistence++ 2009-02-23 09:52:58 mbklein anarchivist: "...if edsu hasn't already talked gsf into doing that"? 2009-02-23 09:53:02 jtgorman_ jtgorman_ looks at a email talking about how horrible it is that the Wall Street Journal is closing its internal library 2009-02-23 09:53:21 jtgorman_ with the phrase..."How do the "bean counters" in accounting think the journalists do their research?" 2009-02-23 09:53:34 dchud is it really true that dspace still, in 2009, doesn't speak marc? 2009-02-23 09:53:46 MrDys dchud: it speaks DC 2009-02-23 09:53:54 edsu i don't think dspace even installs :) 2009-02-23 09:53:59 mbklein jtgorman_: Google 2009-02-23 09:54:00 anarchivist edsu++ 2009-02-23 09:54:01 dchud yeah, but - there are plugins for using other formats, right? 2009-02-23 09:54:05 fak3r edsu++ 2009-02-23 09:54:12 mjg_ JodiS: the usual answer is a web resource is something you HTTP GET and receive an HTTP 200 response for, or something. 2009-02-23 09:54:18 jtgorman_ ummm, they're journalist. Honestly, they should be able to do their own research. I mean, hopefully most of their research is primary source, with using some existing resources like ebsco etc 2009-02-23 09:54:23 JodiS mjg_: yeah, so what. 2009-02-23 09:54:29 JodiS mjg_: that's like "this is a piece of paper" 2009-02-23 09:54:30 mbklein edsu: That would be funny if it didn't make me cry. 2009-02-23 09:54:32 jtgorman_ if they're all waiting for librarians, that's a heck of a bottle neck 2009-02-23 09:54:41 JodiS mjg_: I don't care about the format, I care about the content (in this case) 2009-02-23 09:54:43 anarchivist anarchivist never waits for librarians 2009-02-23 09:54:43 mjg_ mjg_ chucksle 2009-02-23 09:54:47 JodiS e.g.: ToC, full-text, ... 2009-02-23 09:54:54 edsu great metacrap question -- who asked that? 2009-02-23 09:55:08 dchud jtgorman_: comparative advantage means journalists source, verify and write, and librarians support the research phase of all of those. in theory. 2009-02-23 09:55:18 dchud or at least "traditionally" 2009-02-23 09:55:41 fak3r MARC format -- 2009-02-23 09:55:53 jtgorman_ dchud: yeah, I suspect it breaks down though...too few librarians and the ones that are there don't really perform much better than the journalists themselves 2009-02-23 09:56:00 dchud bah. for a 40+ year old format, MARC still kicks ass. 2009-02-23 09:56:01 JodiS problem with MARC is that it's not just a format. it's also a content standard. And more than that, no? 2009-02-23 09:56:09 JodiS dchud: indeed 2009-02-23 09:56:14 bess it doesn't need to be either-or 2009-02-23 09:56:31 bess you could still catalog in marc and expose authority records in rdf. those things aren't mutually exclusive, right? 2009-02-23 09:56:33 mjg_ JodiS: yeah, I didn't catch the context of the conversation. just kind of barged in. :) 2009-02-23 09:56:35 fak3r dchud: guess I just need it to be converted so it can be more open/interlopable 2009-02-23 09:56:38 anarchivist dchud: it kicks ass in the same way that pdp-11s kick ass 2009-02-23 09:56:41 jtgorman_ dchud: I mean, I could see where it could be a great combination, but I'm not convinced that WSJ quality is radically going to drop with the removal of librarias either 2009-02-23 09:56:47 mbklein mjg_: Go look for a non- reference to yourself in http://michael.is.outoffoc.us/michael/foaf.rdf#me :) 2009-02-23 09:56:49 MrDys anarchivist: for playing Adventure? 2009-02-23 09:56:49 dchud i'm with bess. the more formats for more purposes, the better 2009-02-23 09:56:53 anarchivist MrDys++ 2009-02-23 09:56:53 lbjay lbjay-- # pre-emptive for when i stand up and shout "amen, brother!" 2009-02-23 09:56:56 JodiS mjg_: always barge in! :) Just saying, 856 isn't what we need it to be. as royt's been saying for years... 2009-02-23 09:56:58 fak3r anarchivist++ for pdp comment 2009-02-23 09:57:06 anarchivist "take 245" 2009-02-23 09:57:08 jtgorman_ jtgorman_ figures most journalists will do a check w/ lexis nexis, maybe ebsco... 2009-02-23 09:57:31 mbklein dchud: Sounds like a call for more unapi-ification. 2009-02-23 09:57:35 JodiS dchud: was in a great room at ASIST, with memories of Henriette Avram and others 2009-02-23 09:57:38 dchud dchud grumbles something about making that argument in 2001 about dspace 2009-02-23 09:57:48 JodiS dchud; what argument? 2009-02-23 09:57:48 fak3r mjg_: unapi ftw, got a drupal port going? 2009-02-23 09:57:50 dchud mbklein: i dunno about that 2009-02-23 09:57:52 edsu http://minds.wisconsin.edu/handle/1793/31735 2009-02-23 09:57:54 dlovins dlovins thinks authorities as linked data is a cool topic. Why say "an endless half hour about nothing?" 2009-02-23 09:57:56 jbrinley jbrinley figures most journalists write what they want and rely on the editors to fact check (and the editors rely on the journalists to fact check) 2009-02-23 09:58:05 jtgorman_ dchud: I have to wonder if the librarians looked at all the settlements/court cases/costs for when a journalist has printed a mistake or bad info and demonstrated they had not used the library in those cases 2009-02-23 09:58:12 mjg_ edsu++ 2009-02-23 09:58:12 anarchivist dlovins: charper's just being self-deprecating 2009-02-23 09:58:14 jtgorman_ jbrinley: yeah, that sounds about right 2009-02-23 09:58:16 anarchivist dlovins: he's a smart dude 2009-02-23 09:58:25 dchud jtgorman_: which "the librarians" ? 2009-02-23 09:58:26 mjg_ fak3r: can't say I do, sadly 2009-02-23 09:58:28 anarchivist dlovins: one of my favorite colleagues in the ny area 2009-02-23 09:58:36 jtgorman_ dchud: that work at WSJ ;) 2009-02-23 09:58:39 JodiS dchud: my main beef with MARC is that it's used to refer to multiple things (content, format). So it's hard to talk about changing the data exchange format w/o riling up the "metadata = Dublin Core = useless" 2009-02-23 09:58:41 mbklein RIP lcsh.info 2009-02-23 09:58:52 fak3r mjg_: how hard would it be? I'd like to take a closer look at the WP plugin, it 'just works' on my site 2009-02-23 09:59:00 anarchivist anarchivist pours some on the curb 4 his dead linked data homies 2009-02-23 09:59:03 JodiS mbklein: see, I'm not sure "peace" is what's called for there 2009-02-23 09:59:27 mjg_ fak3r: hard for me to say not knowing drupal very well, but the wp plugin is pretty dumb and simple. 2009-02-23 09:59:41 jbrinley mjg_, fak3r: I might look into porting it soon 2009-02-23 09:59:49 fak3r mjg_: sounds like something I could try 2009-02-23 09:59:54 jbrinley mjg_, fak3r: or would be interested in collaborating on it 2009-02-23 10:00:02 fak3r jbrinley: cool, I'd like to take a look at it...yes 2009-02-23 10:00:07 anarchivist mjg_, fak3r, jbrinley: me too 2009-02-23 10:00:22 MrDys what about something like MusicBrainz? how is that less authoritative than these initiatives? 2009-02-23 10:00:25 jtgorman_ JodiS: one of my main beefs is the term is used to describe formats that are not compatible... ;) 2009-02-23 10:00:26 anarchivist someone turn off the crickets, yo 2009-02-23 10:00:36 bess MusicBrainz++ 2009-02-23 10:00:40 mjg_ crickets: ALWAYS ON 2009-02-23 10:00:40 mbklein JodiS: How about "lcsh.info is dead! Long live lcsh.info!" 2009-02-23 10:00:49 JodiS mbklein++ #I like that one :) 2009-02-23 10:00:50 fak3r MrDys: good question, I think it's just a matter of jumping in, first one in rules 2009-02-23 10:00:51 jtgorman_ JodiS: rather like when someone gives me an "XML" file with no more description than that 2009-02-23 10:00:52 BigD mpark left me at the airport 2009-02-23 10:00:54 JodiS mbklein: if only 2009-02-23 10:00:59 anarchivist MrDys: it's not, which is the point that charper is kinda skipping oer 2009-02-23 10:01:03 anarchivist BigD: i would too 2009-02-23 10:01:06 fak3r fak3r liked the crickets sound, again pls? 2009-02-23 10:01:38 dlovins anarchavist: I just think it's unhelpful, rhetorically speaking, to encourage people to tune out. 2009-02-23 10:01:45 anarchivist dlovins: i agree 2009-02-23 10:01:53 jtgorman_ JodiS: although at least usually "XML" files parse so I can run some scripts to try to analyze it...the "MARC" files times don't even parse using the common MARC standards to be annoying. 2009-02-23 10:01:59 anarchivist MrDys: http://www.scharffe.fr/presentations/minerva-workshop-semantics-in-the-easaier-freamwork.pdf 2009-02-23 10:02:09 JodiS edsu++ #was looking for that authorities link 2009-02-23 10:02:15 dlovins anarchavist: I'm sure he's a great colleague though. I need to get to know him better. 2009-02-23 10:02:17 mbklein What's charper's job @ NYPL? 2009-02-23 10:02:24 anarchivist mbklein: not at NYPL, at NYU 2009-02-23 10:02:32 anarchivist mbklein: metadata services librarian i think is his title 2009-02-23 10:02:50 dlovins Do people at NYPL really pronounce the acronym as "nipple"? 2009-02-23 10:02:52 mbklein anarchivist: Oops. I knew that, my fingers just automatically go to "PL" after typing "NY" 2009-02-23 10:02:56 anarchivist mbklein: he gathered a bunch of people together at a bar a week and a half ago for "unix time" 2009-02-23 10:02:58 dchud there's something in charper's manner of speaking that makes me tune in and pay close attention 2009-02-23 10:02:59 mjg_ Metacrap Librarian 2009-02-23 10:03:01 JodiS integrating "on the fly" is not a phrase I'd use with catalogers. "integrating programmatically" maybe 2009-02-23 10:03:01 mbklein dlovins++ 2009-02-23 10:03:07 anarchivist dlovins: sometimes :) 2009-02-23 10:03:12 anarchivist anarchivist is a complicated format 2009-02-23 10:03:20 JodiS though, we need MLS to mean you understand what "programmatically" means 2009-02-23 10:03:22 MrDys anarchivist++ awesome 2009-02-23 10:03:22 JodiS JodiS weeps 2009-02-23 10:03:22 jbrinley JodiS++ # good distinction 2009-02-23 10:03:29 anarchivist dlovins: hey, we should actually meet, seeing as tho we're both on that RLG working group together 2009-02-23 10:03:32 MrDys anarchivist: seems academic, but awesome nonetheless 2009-02-23 10:03:40 mjg_ charper++ 2009-02-23 10:03:42 anarchivist MrDys: yeah, it's really awesome 2009-02-23 10:03:50 dchud nicely done! 2009-02-23 10:04:02 JodiS charper: don't hate your audience. it's not nice. I'm with dlovins on that one (I think) 2009-02-23 10:04:07 dlovins anarchavist: See you at the coffee break? 2009-02-23 10:04:26 anarchivist dlovins: sure 2009-02-23 10:04:28 JodiS MrDys: do you contribute to MusicBrainz? 2009-02-23 10:04:39 MrDys JodiS: I have, yes 2009-02-23 10:04:43 jtgorman_ jtgorman_ pictures charper yelling like a drill sarg now 2009-02-23 10:04:53 anarchivist anarchivist hopes MrDys does a talk next year called "insane in the MusicBrainz" 2009-02-23 10:04:56 JodiS dchud: he's got great vocal quality. also good things to say. 2009-02-23 10:05:17 jbrinley MrDys, anarchivist: or a lightning talk later this week 2009-02-23 10:05:19 JodiS JodiS hopes MrDys does a lightning talk about MusicBrainz 2009-02-23 10:05:23 dchud JodiS: two great tastes that taste great together 2009-02-23 10:05:30 JodiS :) 2009-02-23 10:05:51 jtgorman_ insane_in_the_musicbrainz++ 2009-02-23 10:05:56 BigD anarchivist: didn't everyone go to a bar for 1234567890 day? 2009-02-23 10:06:11 anarchivist BigD: yeah, charper organized it 2009-02-23 10:07:00 anarchivist BigD: that night was pretty amazing - i had one of my first quintessentially new york experiences that night 2009-02-23 10:07:04 dchud funny, there's no 'h' in psycinfo 2009-02-23 10:07:05 anarchivist anarchivist puked on the subway on the way home 2009-02-23 10:07:22 mjg_ good times. 2009-02-23 10:07:25 mbklein anarchivist: That *is* quintessentially New York! 2009-02-23 10:07:34 anarchivist mbklein: i know! 2009-02-23 10:07:34 rsinger anarchivist: i really am very proud of you 2009-02-23 10:07:54 anarchivist rsinger: yeah, you and royt seemed to really appreciate that 2009-02-23 10:08:15 anarchivist apparently i called one of my friends twice to ask how to get back to brooklyn when i left the bar 2009-02-23 10:08:34 dchud bess++ 2009-02-23 10:09:00 anarchivist even though i was near the W 4th stop which is totally easy to get to 2009-02-23 10:09:48 rsinger i fear and loathe trains that didn't even exist when i lived there 2009-02-23 10:09:52 jbrinley algorhythms++ 2009-02-23 10:09:52 cazzerson fun. My first New York experience involved (drunkenly) leaving my wallet in a cab, only to have it show up in my parents' mailbox 6 weeks later. 2009-02-23 10:09:58 mjg_ algorhythms! 2009-02-23 10:10:13 bess algorhythms: oh, that's the perfect name for an rdf-crawler for music branz 2009-02-23 10:10:15 rsinger math_rock 2009-02-23 10:10:19 anarchivist bess++ 2009-02-23 10:10:21 rsinger @uri math rock 2009-02-23 10:10:22 MrDys rsinger++ 2009-02-23 10:10:22 zoia rsinger: DBpedia has URIs for... Alternative music - http://dbpedia.org/resource/Math_rock 2009-02-23 10:10:23 jbrinley jbrinley always thinks "Al Gore" Rhythms when he sees "algorithm" 2009-02-23 10:10:26 mjg_ @band add Algorhythms 2009-02-23 10:10:26 zoia mjg_: Band 'Algorhythms' added to list 2009-02-23 10:10:29 fak3r math_rock++ 2009-02-23 10:10:50 mbklein @google algorhythm 2009-02-23 10:10:53 zoia mbklein: Search took 0.20 seconds: Algorhythm Records: ; algorhythm: ; Algorhythm - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: ; Algorhythm: ; AlgoRhythm Technologies: ; YouTube - algorhythm's Channel: (2 more messages) 2009-02-23 10:11:01 edsu looks like the network isn't routing http traffic not on port 80? 2009-02-23 10:11:26 MrDys did we ever figure out what charper's position is at NYU? 2009-02-23 10:11:32 JodiS Are there any copy catalogers here? Does Corey's approach seem good enough? I hear that some libraries are very choosy about the people they get data from. 2009-02-23 10:11:37 rsinger MrDys: metadata librarian 2009-02-23 10:11:50 anarchivist shit, this keeps reminding me that i need to bug people at the met about submitting a joint session for DC2009 2009-02-23 10:11:53 dchud dchud holds breath 2009-02-23 10:11:53 jbrinley jbrinley manages copy catalogers for a year 2009-02-23 10:12:05 dchud "how do we make use of this" 2009-02-23 10:12:06 JodiS Would rather Corey talk about FOAF for trust profiles for where you pull data from 2009-02-23 10:12:19 JodiS again, control=good in cataloging world 2009-02-23 10:12:30 BigD anarchivist: sorry, i'm having cog dis trying to listen and keep up. congrats on puking! ? ;) 2009-02-23 10:12:35 anarchivist JodiS: see, this is more interesting to me in terms of cataloging "unique" materials like rare books or archival collections 2009-02-23 10:12:36 bess JodiS: we've been fighting this battle. At UVA they're getting a lot more willing to consider non-traditional data sources the more short-staffed they get. One silver lining of the economic collapse? 2009-02-23 10:12:39 rsinger JodiS: why couldn't our same structures exist? 2009-02-23 10:12:40 anarchivist BigD++ 2009-02-23 10:12:53 JodiS rsinger: sure. same structures 2009-02-23 10:13:00 edsu bess: yeah i think so 2009-02-23 10:13:05 dlovins Al-Khwarizmi++ 2009-02-23 10:13:06 rsinger JodiS: e.g. a very large quasi non-profit entity "blessing" the data? 2009-02-23 10:13:10 JodiS rsinger: I'm talking about the way we talk about this 2009-02-23 10:13:15 mjg_ man, I wish I were cool enough to puke. 2009-02-23 10:13:19 mbklein MrDys: "Metadata Services Librarian", according to http://library.nyu.edu/about/department.html#technicalsvcs 2009-02-23 10:13:21 bess JodiS: e.g., maybe we could grab data from IMDB instead of actually watching every single film ourselves and writing 100% original description 2009-02-23 10:13:32 JodiS bess: we already do. just usually by hand 2009-02-23 10:13:52 JodiS rsinger: want it to be clear to catalogers that YOU CAN KEEP CONTROL. explain that there are technological ways to do that 2009-02-23 10:13:56 bess JodiS: we don't yet, but our music librarians are very excited about dbpedia and music brainz 2009-02-23 10:13:57 rsinger bess: or, have nightly "movie nights" in the library and crowdsource it from the twitter backchannel 2009-02-23 10:14:10 fak3r lost slides: it's always in the last place you look 2009-02-23 10:14:18 JodiS corey_harper-- #good things to say, would be even better with attention to presentation skills 2009-02-23 10:14:22 dchud ...and then in october 2008, major portions of the LOD cloud were nationalized, and sold to goldman sachs... 2009-02-23 10:14:25 bess JodiS: and our video catalogers are getting more excited as they feel more pressure to be able to catalog new acquisitions quickly. 2009-02-23 10:14:29 lbjay lbjay is going to show that graph too. nobody panic. 2009-02-23 10:14:36 dchud dchud too 2009-02-23 10:14:40 bess rsinger++ # great idea! 2009-02-23 10:14:46 MrDys bess: go with freebase. IMDB is a pain to scrape and freebase is consuming most IMDB data anyway 2009-02-23 10:14:49 JodiS anarchivist: want to hear more about unique materials... how does copy cataloging help then. oh... you must mean something else... 2009-02-23 10:14:51 JodiS JodiS is confused 2009-02-23 10:14:58 MrDys (which is actaully what I'm going to talk about on wednesday) 2009-02-23 10:14:59 JodiS bess: glad to hear that 2009-02-23 10:15:03 bess MrDys++ # going off to look at freebase 2009-02-23 10:15:12 anarchivist JodiS: yeah, copycataloging doesn't but there are certain data elements that can/should be shared 2009-02-23 10:15:14 JodiS rsinger++ 2009-02-23 10:15:30 anarchivist JodiS: like, say, biographical information about creators of archival collections 2009-02-23 10:15:40 JodiS anarchivist: ok, that makes PLENTY of sense 2009-02-23 10:15:48 mbklein freebase++ # especially with parallax 2009-02-23 10:16:16 JodiS jbrinley: "how to talk to catalogers" would be a really useful topic, for me 2009-02-23 10:16:26 rsinger JodiS: so let's just say "untrusted sources" are used for augmentation 2009-02-23 10:16:31 anarchivist JodiS: yeah, basically every institution will want to write their own bios, but they shoudn't have to and they should be able to interrelate them 2009-02-23 10:16:42 jbrinley JodiS: I never quite figured it out, to be honest 2009-02-23 10:17:01 fak3r oh, so now we can clap? 2009-02-23 10:17:02 mjg_ the room wakes up at 10:15am 2009-02-23 10:17:03 dchud why was everyone afraid to clap? 2009-02-23 10:17:04 JodiS odd that I hadn't run into http://rdvocab.info/Elements.rdf before 2009-02-23 10:17:06 dchud i will clap. 2009-02-23 10:17:07 rsinger JodiS: but you're beginning to see sources like wikipedia begin to be 'accepted' 2009-02-23 10:17:09 BigD JodiS: or just wait a few years and they'll all be gone? ;) 2009-02-23 10:17:11 mjg_ my hands are still drunk. 2009-02-23 10:17:16 akorphan Clapping has occurred. 2009-02-23 10:17:16 rsinger dchud: the lone, sarcastic clap? 2009-02-23 10:17:33 fak3r rsinger: that slow clap. . . 2009-02-23 10:17:33 akorphan I missed most of that presentation trying to get on IRC. 2009-02-23 10:17:33 anarchivist swedes++ 2009-02-23 10:17:34 mbklein rsinger: CLAP.....CLAP.....CLAP 2009-02-23 10:17:39 fak3r akorphan: nice 2009-02-23 10:17:43 BigD dchud: we all broke our hands 2009-02-23 10:18:01 fak3r dchud: I'm shaking with my left hand tonight 2009-02-23 10:18:15 bess MrDys: I'm very much looking forward to your talk. Freebase looks awesome. I'm intrigued and I wish to learn more. 2009-02-23 10:18:15 dchud fak3r: perfect! 2009-02-23 10:18:22 JodiS BigD: no, we need catalogers and cataloging. The "going away" joke just causes misunderstanding, retrenchment, ... 2009-02-23 10:18:55 MrDys bess: I'll try to make it interesting 2009-02-23 10:19:11 BigD JodiS: are you calling me insensitive? i've heard that word... could you define it for me? ;) 2009-02-23 10:19:18 zoia New news from planetcode4lib: Zimmerman, Peter: “In tough times, creative pursuits stage a revival” || del.icio.us: wiki.dbpedia.org : About 2009-02-23 10:19:32 JodiS BigD: :P 2009-02-23 10:19:46 rsinger JodiS: i guess i think it's a much better use of resources to use catalogers to find and vet resources rather than copy catalog, don't you? 2009-02-23 10:19:48 BigD JodiS: yes, we need excellent cataloging. we don't need 400 excellent cataloging depts 2009-02-23 10:20:16 JodiS rsinger: yes, but WE STILL NEED CATALOGERS 2009-02-23 10:20:18 lbjay rsinger: you should make robcaSSon switch seats with you. apparently he's really sick. 2009-02-23 10:20:44 robcaSSon robcaSSon already licked the coffee spout 2009-02-23 10:20:52 anarchivist robcaSSon++ 2009-02-23 10:21:09 rsinger rsinger goes to refill cup! 2009-02-23 10:21:29 bess BigD: I disagree. We do need 400 excellent cataloging departments. We do NOT need 400 excellent cataloging departments whose output is only used by their local institution. Librarians are good at describing resources and organizing concepts, and they should be doing it in public, not only in library institutions. 2009-02-23 10:21:48 fak3r bess++ 2009-02-23 10:21:52 rsinger JodiS: i don't argue with that -- assuming they're going to be used more than t0rr3nt drones 2009-02-23 10:21:54 JodiS FRBR count: 2 2009-02-23 10:21:56 mbklein JodiS: So what's the best way to get the old-school catalogers (as a group -- I understand individuals vary) to understand and accept that they need to move out of their comfort zones to avoid being left behind, without making them feel like they're being left behind anyway? I haven't found that sweet spot yet. 2009-02-23 10:22:00 bess If we ever truly get the semantic web it's going to be because all the catalogers are unleashed on the larger web 2009-02-23 10:22:04 BigD bess: i agree with all of that except 400 2009-02-23 10:22:17 JodiS mbklein: "talking to catalogers"? 2009-02-23 10:22:22 jbrinley mbklein: use pictures of kittens? 2009-02-23 10:22:25 lbjay where is jrock? 2009-02-23 10:22:34 JodiS mbklein: understand their perspective, what they do, why they are comfortable? 2009-02-23 10:22:39 jbrinley lbjay: sleeping in, I think 2009-02-23 10:22:45 MrDys lbjay: yeah he's sleepin 2009-02-23 10:22:58 JodiS mbklein: find what motivates them? tech people mind being "left behind". Most others expect it. 2009-02-23 10:22:59 fak3r I think just a matter of using oai and such is what needs to happen - start sharing, if others follow - good 2009-02-23 10:23:02 JodiS sleep++ 2009-02-23 10:23:03 bess mbklein: find a carrot. For me that's been "hey you know how everyone complains that you take a month to catalog a new video? What if we could shorten that and let you focus only on genuinely weird stuff?" 2009-02-23 10:23:04 mbklein JodiS: And I've tried. I talk to our tech. services people a LOT about how to make our cataloging practices more relevant to the web services we're trying to provide. They act like I'm there to poke them with sharp objects. 2009-02-23 10:23:10 MrDys lbjay: he'll be at the zotero session in the afternoon 2009-02-23 10:23:18 JodiS mbklein: try feathers next time 2009-02-23 10:23:33 mbklein JodiS: But I *didn't* bring any sharp objects! 2009-02-23 10:23:46 lbjay @dunno add try feathers next time 2009-02-23 10:23:46 JodiS mbklein: maybe your shadow had them :) 2009-02-23 10:23:48 zoia lbjay: The operation succeeded. Dunno #297 added. 2009-02-23 10:23:58 akorphan has anyone thought through linked data use cases beyond "let's accrue all the information we can and see what comes up"? 2009-02-23 10:23:58 zoia akorphan: turn it up! 2009-02-23 10:24:02 JodiS bess: "partnering with catalogers" would be a nice lightning talk 2009-02-23 10:24:03 fak3r mbklein: go around them? (not that I'd condone that) 2009-02-23 10:24:07 mbklein bess: I think you've just nailed the difference between academic librarians and civil servant librarians. 2009-02-23 10:24:07 akorphan (not meant as a criticism) 2009-02-23 10:24:10 JodiS akorphan: good question! 2009-02-23 10:24:19 JodiS akorphan: and you're not the only one to ask that 2009-02-23 10:24:50 akorphan I used to teach at a high school, and I was thinking to myself, how would I make this kind of thing useful to my former students? 2009-02-23 10:24:53 BigD bess: i rescind my objection to 400 if you apply smart catalogers to the entire web! 2009-02-23 10:24:54 akorphan THen I started wondering what "useful" meant. 2009-02-23 10:24:59 lbjay @dunno add your query has been filtered by my metacrap detector 2009-02-23 10:24:59 MrDys huh. I didn't realize that MusicBrainz deprecated their RDF webservice... 2009-02-23 10:25:00 zoia lbjay: The operation succeeded. Dunno #298 added. 2009-02-23 10:25:13 bess MrDys: what? They did? That's not good. 2009-02-23 10:25:28 jtgorman_ MrDys: Are they replacing it with something? 2009-02-23 10:25:30 MrDys bess: they have their own XML format...so you could transform it, but it's not native RDF anymore 2009-02-23 10:25:37 MrDys http://musicbrainz.org/ws/1/release/d1bdfdbd-d51a-4bcd-b6ca-67d114d3560f?type=xml&inc=url-rels+artist-rels 2009-02-23 10:25:40 fak3r MrDys: strange, why? 2009-02-23 10:25:59 mbklein Wait...Once all the information is machine readable, what will they need us for? 2009-02-23 10:26:06 MrDys "The RDF Web Service predates the term Web Service and was developed before best practices for Web Services had been established. Consequently the Web Service is not as coherent, concise and easy to use as the XML Web Service." 2009-02-23 10:26:12 fak3r mbklein: that's why I run servers ;) 2009-02-23 10:26:14 JodiS love it when people admit the rough edges to their work in progress. keeping_it_real++ 2009-02-23 10:26:28 wickr is something like Freebase taking in the musicbrainz data? I know that Last.fm/AS is using it, but it's unclear if there's much two-way sharing 2009-02-23 10:26:36 akorphan Some day the self-aware RDF aggregators will rise up and conquer their human masters. 2009-02-23 10:26:45 MrDys wickr: I believe it is 2009-02-23 10:26:45 JodiS akorphan: what does "useful" mean, do you think? 2009-02-23 10:26:46 lbjay "Please feel my rough edges" 2009-02-23 10:26:53 fak3r wickr: that's what I don't see, the two way so that data could/would be mirrored automcatically 2009-02-23 10:26:53 JodiS lbjay-- 2009-02-23 10:26:55 anarchivist poster.xpi++ 2009-02-23 10:26:55 akorphan That's the question. I'm not sure. 2009-02-23 10:27:05 anarchivist my ruff edges: let me show u dem 2009-02-23 10:27:07 akorphan To a student: maybe something that would help facilitate research for a term paper? 2009-02-23 10:27:09 fak3r 404, rough edges, this is not pretty, sorry about this.. 2009-02-23 10:27:11 cazzerson akorphan: this all does seem like prime material for some genetic algorithms... 2009-02-23 10:27:12 mbklein mbklein throws candy wrappers at the back of lbjay's head 2009-02-23 10:27:15 MrDys wickr: http://www.freebase.com/view/user/mwcl_musicbrainz 2009-02-23 10:27:16 akorphan or get study information for calculus 2009-02-23 10:27:34 mbklein 5059476++ 2009-02-23 10:27:34 JodiS akorphan: "only connect" is one aphorism. pulling in info to make humans not have to go looking... 2009-02-23 10:27:37 fak3r ooo, big drop shadow! how high up is that term? 2009-02-23 10:27:38 MrDys wickr: the bot probably needs rewritten 2009-02-23 10:28:07 JodiS "semantic web agent" 2009-02-23 10:28:34 lbjay again, i'll be showing this same example 2009-02-23 10:28:42 thePersonForm d 2009-02-23 10:28:45 akorphan JodiS: The main use case I am thinking of is the ability to pull things together. But does the presence of an ontology suggest other modes of use for people like high school students? 2009-02-23 10:28:49 dchud akorphan: i'd like to think my 12pm talk will describe some other use cases 2009-02-23 10:28:50 BigD what's a 2009-02-23 10:28:59 dchud you tell me :) 2009-02-23 10:29:02 rsinger and this, ladies and gentlemen, is why the semantic web just doesn't work 2009-02-23 10:29:09 anarchivist rsinger-- 2009-02-23 10:29:10 akorphan dchud: Ooh, sounds good. 2009-02-23 10:29:15 mbklein BigD: It's on the room service menu right after the Reddi Whip. 2009-02-23 10:29:16 cazzerson maybe a linked data graph can be leveraged to assign reputation scores to web resources 2009-02-23 10:29:20 anarchivist mbklein-- 2009-02-23 10:29:31 JodiS akorphan: an ontology presumes that somebody has organized the info in a way that makes sense to them. insert justification about 'cognitive theory' 'place to hang new knowledge' 'framework' etc 2009-02-23 10:29:33 bess rsinger++ # thank you for the article 2009-02-23 10:29:36 anarchivist cazzerson: yeah, the web of trust stuff is pretty fucking fascinating 2009-02-23 10:29:45 JodiS rsinger: "just doesn't work"? or "doesn't just work"? 2009-02-23 10:29:49 anarchivist cazzerson: my guess is that it would make catalogers' heads explode 2009-02-23 10:30:00 rsinger bess: yeah, i hope there's something useful in there 2009-02-23 10:30:12 JodiS anarchivist: I really don't think so 2009-02-23 10:30:32 JodiS anarchivist: there are levels of catalogers for OCLC cataloging 2009-02-23 10:30:38 dchud anarchivist: my guess is that if half this room were full of catalogers, it'd be far more likely that they could explode our heads :P 2009-02-23 10:30:46 dchud dchud flashes on scanners 2009-02-23 10:30:47 BigD JodiS: is it like levels in WoW? 2009-02-23 10:30:48 JodiS exploding_heads-- 2009-02-23 10:30:49 anarchivist anarchivist is an ex-cataloger 2009-02-23 10:30:57 JodiS BigD: lol 2009-02-23 10:31:00 fak3r jstroop: you're on the list now http://inkdroid.org/c4l2009/attendees 2009-02-23 10:31:09 cazzerson I would be more concerned with small data producers getting marginalized by massively popular/trusted producers 2009-02-23 10:31:13 anarchivist jstroop++ 2009-02-23 10:31:15 jbrinley BigD: yes, very much so 2009-02-23 10:31:27 BigD i have 10000 mp3s and 45000 pictures - so I'm a cataloger 2009-02-23 10:31:28 BigD ;) 2009-02-23 10:31:29 JodiS anarchivist: one straightforward proof of concept would be taking OCLC cataloging levels and transforming that into a FOAF web of trust service 2009-02-23 10:31:35 mbklein BigD: /cast +3 FRBRization Of The Infinite 2009-02-23 10:31:41 BigD fireball! 2009-02-23 10:31:47 jbrinley BigD: you're a level 8 cataloger 2009-02-23 10:31:49 anarchivist JodiS: too bad we can't bug the OCLC people right now about that :) 2009-02-23 10:31:58 wickr lightning bolt! 2009-02-23 10:32:12 mbklein Leeeeeroooy Jeeeeennnnkiiiiins! 2009-02-23 10:32:17 cazzerson jodis: it could eliminate the need for catalogers to leave post-its of unworthy oclc contributors on their cube walls 2009-02-23 10:32:18 fak3r mbklein++ 2009-02-23 10:32:18 JodiS open source project ofr turning ILSs into linked data?! 2009-02-23 10:32:19 anarchivist anarchivist imagines a cataloging LARP. ugh 2009-02-23 10:32:22 MrDys this preconf needs to end with a symbolic funeral procession for lcsh.info 2009-02-23 10:32:35 JodiS cazzerson: is that real, or a myth? 2009-02-23 10:32:35 anarchivist MrDys: and then a good ol' irish wake 2009-02-23 10:32:42 cazzerson I've seen it 2009-02-23 10:32:42 lbjay lbjay continues to massage his slides 2009-02-23 10:32:42 fak3r fak3r wants to create his own lcsh.info 2009-02-23 10:32:45 anarchivist JodiS: i've seen it too 2009-02-23 10:32:59 akorphan anarchivist: I think my brain is bleeding. 2009-02-23 10:32:59 lbjay lbjay waits for the "rough edges" jokes... 2009-02-23 10:33:04 anarchivist JodiS: in fact, when i worked at pr*q**st we had such a list 2009-02-23 10:33:07 mbklein lbjay: Watch it. You're laying yourself open for another Reddi Whip joke. 2009-02-23 10:33:21 fak3r lib of congress takes it on the chin! 2009-02-23 10:33:29 JodiS anarchivist: I agree with bess. Give catalogers something they already know that they want. 2009-02-23 10:33:43 fak3r ok, everytime the speaker says 'library of congress' we drink 2009-02-23 10:33:46 fak3r coffee 2009-02-23 10:33:48 JodiS "ooh, shiny new technology", "great potential", "keeping up" isn't going to cut it 2009-02-23 10:33:58 lbjay @ana Library of Coffee 2009-02-23 10:34:00 zoia lbjay: Coo! Fiery baffler 2009-02-23 10:34:00 JodiS overcaffinated #c4l09 2009-02-23 10:34:02 anarchivist JodiS: yeah, i've been talking to some of the archivists about this 2009-02-23 10:34:09 mbklein LOC vs. KBSE: Steel Cage Deathmatch 2009-02-23 10:34:14 JodiS anarchivist: which is why you rock! 2009-02-23 10:34:16 fak3r "take advantage of the linked data cloud" - OK, how ? 2009-02-23 10:34:37 jbrinley @ana LOC vs. KBSE: Steel Cage Deathmatch 2009-02-23 10:34:38 akorphan I wonder if anyone has analyzed the similarities/differences between how catalogers view metadata and how library coders/db jockeys do. 2009-02-23 10:34:38 zoia jbrinley: Toadless vegetable checks 2009-02-23 10:34:43 anarchivist JodiS: i want to bug bradw, who is here this week about getting archivists toolkit to ingest RDF vocabs 2009-02-23 10:34:50 BigD swedish pizza? ew 2009-02-23 10:34:57 anarchivist BigD-- 2009-02-23 10:34:59 fak3r won't work for pizza, but beer and pizza? 2009-02-23 10:35:03 JodiS @quote add "Pizza is below minimum wage." 2009-02-23 10:35:04 zoia JodiS: Error: You must be registered to use this command. If you are already registered, you must either identify (using the identify command) or add a hostmask matching your current hostmask (using the "hostmask add" command). 2009-02-23 10:35:10 edsu should i go up there? i'm afraid of rotten fruit 2009-02-23 10:35:25 BigD anarchivist: bradw's at the oclc preconf 2009-02-23 10:35:26 mbklein BigD: You don't like gravlax on your 'za? 2009-02-23 10:35:29 lbjay akorphan: s/jockey/bullrider/ # I'm 6'3" & 200 lbs 2009-02-23 10:35:30 BigD lozer 2009-02-23 10:35:34 anarchivist BigD: his loss, man 2009-02-23 10:35:42 BigD totally 2009-02-23 10:35:48 akorphan lbjay: Svelte. 2009-02-23 10:35:51 BigD and he's too old to know what IRC is 2009-02-23 10:35:53 dchud edsu: we brought rotten vegetables, so don't worry about the fruit 2009-02-23 10:35:55 anarchivist BigD: hahaha 2009-02-23 10:36:00 mbklein @ana swedish pizza and beer 2009-02-23 10:36:01 zoia mbklein: Prized haze bawdiness 2009-02-23 10:36:08 fak3r blog not very active, way to lead with the positive 2009-02-23 10:36:49 JodiS @quote add "Pizza is below minimum wage." 2009-02-23 10:36:50 zoia JodiS: The operation succeeded. Quote #1714 added. 2009-02-23 10:36:56 anarchivist i wish i was motivated to write a script to crawl the foafs so i could graph interests 2009-02-23 10:37:24 mbklein Tunnel to it, edsu! 2009-02-23 10:37:46 akorphan re: foaf: I'm just never sure how web accessible I really want to be. 2009-02-23 10:37:47 anarchivist sensible? us government? 2009-02-23 10:37:48 mbklein If you can get out on port 22 (which you can from here), you can get to any port you need. 2009-02-23 10:38:01 fak3r mbklein: tunnel via ssh 2009-02-23 10:38:03 bess mbklein++ # I love that trick. 2009-02-23 10:38:09 akorphan though the book raffle is a motivator.... 2009-02-23 10:38:10 mbklein fak3r: Yep. 2009-02-23 10:38:20 anarchivist akorphan: you already are - JodiS made a pretty minimal foaf profile, which is a good example 2009-02-23 10:38:33 mbklein akorphan: Nowhere in the raffle rules does it require your foaf to be *accurate* 2009-02-23 10:38:36 JodiS anarchivist: AT ingesting RDF makes sense 2009-02-23 10:38:41 anarchivist JodiS: i know 2009-02-23 10:38:44 akorphan mbklein: good point. 2009-02-23 10:38:55 mbklein edsü 2009-02-23 10:38:55 JodiS anarchivist: is my profile showing up on the crawl? 2009-02-23 10:39:02 akorphan My frequent shopper card at my local grocery is in the name of "Robert Pensioner" 2009-02-23 10:39:04 fak3r sweedish keyboards can't scale? 2009-02-23 10:39:13 mjg_ "now with more umlauts!" 2009-02-23 10:39:22 lbjay "Where's the @dick key?" 2009-02-23 10:39:28 JodiS @later tell jrochkind Could you please add http://blog.libris.kb.se/semweb/ to the planet? 2009-02-23 10:39:28 zoia JodiS: The operation succeeded. 2009-02-23 10:39:29 dchud wow - piles of washcloths in the bathrooms instead of paper towels. nice. 2009-02-23 10:39:36 anarchivist JodiS: and i'm pushing back on SAA to issue a recently released thesaurus as structured data 2009-02-23 10:39:45 JodiS anarchivist: saw that! PDF-- 2009-02-23 10:39:51 lbjay gsf: gsf! 2009-02-23 10:39:55 gsf others having trouble connecting direct to freenode? 2009-02-23 10:40:00 akorphan yes! 2009-02-23 10:40:02 gsf lbjay! 2009-02-23 10:40:03 dchud note to speakers: hide your toolbars 2009-02-23 10:40:29 BigD BigD turns off stumbleupon... 2009-02-23 10:40:44 JodiS Could somebody ask anders to add his slides to http://wiki.code4lib.org/index.php/LinkedData 2009-02-23 10:40:59 BigD JodiS: do you have a script for that? ;) 2009-02-23 10:41:09 shoe how's wifi at the conference? 2009-02-23 10:41:12 JodiS hey shoe! 2009-02-23 10:41:29 BigD shoe: not bad, but blocks high ports 2009-02-23 10:41:29 jbrinley shoe: not bad (at least for < 50 people at the pre-conf) 2009-02-23 10:41:35 JodiS shoe: you're the linuxlibrarian, right? 2009-02-23 10:41:43 BigD my vpn won't work 2009-02-23 10:42:01 anarchivist BigD: i'm connected to mine - what are you using 2009-02-23 10:42:03 JodiS royt's vpn doesn't work at Brown either, I understand 2009-02-23 10:42:06 scolford wifi at Brown -- not so hot 2009-02-23 10:42:12 gsf ha! first hit on search for "freenode ports": http://blog.benostrowsky.com/2007/02/28/alternate-freenode-port-8000/ 2009-02-23 10:42:17 jtgorman_ BigD: crazy guess, but I'm going to go out on a limb and guess that the wireless network you're on only probably has the default number of vpn connections 2009-02-23 10:42:19 BigD anarchivist: cisco thingy 2009-02-23 10:42:20 shoe JodiS: ah, thanks. no, not linuxlibrarian. :) 2009-02-23 10:42:21 jtgorman_ usually like two 2009-02-23 10:42:24 fak3r dchud: toolbars, yeah, always distracting...what's that moving google thing at the top? 2009-02-23 10:42:25 anarchivist BigD: same here 2009-02-23 10:42:26 BigD if i use the new webvpn, it works 2009-02-23 10:42:27 royt JodiS: right, forced to do webmail :-( 2009-02-23 10:42:30 BigD but it's clunky 2009-02-23 10:42:34 fak3r dchud: can't look away 2009-02-23 10:42:43 akorphan gsf: I tried that too, didn't work. 2009-02-23 10:42:43 anarchivist i'm using port 8000 by default i think 2009-02-23 10:42:48 dchud haw! 2009-02-23 10:42:51 dlovins fak3r: looks like a "triple"? 2009-02-23 10:42:59 akorphan oh. missed the password part. 2009-02-23 10:43:00 jtgorman_ BigD: so to get on vpn you'll have to find the other people using vpn and smash their laptops 2009-02-23 10:43:03 fak3r dlovins: ah! 2009-02-23 10:43:13 jbrinley dchud: I think it's a browser-syncing thing 2009-02-23 10:43:33 dlovins fak3r: But i have no idea what it does. I wish he'd click on it. 2009-02-23 10:43:34 akorphan I can't read that. 2009-02-23 10:43:46 akorphan dark blue on black -- 2009-02-23 10:43:48 fak3r curl ftw! 2009-02-23 10:43:51 mbklein Paramedics of the future: "He's not carrying ID, but there's a FOAF URI tattooed on his arm. Find out who he s and call one of them to meet us at the hospital." 2009-02-23 10:43:54 BigD BigD eyes anarchivist's laptop... where's my hammer? 2009-02-23 10:44:01 fak3r mbklein++ 2009-02-23 10:44:58 BigD after listening to, and meeting edsu, i feel a lot less like punching him in the throat 2009-02-23 10:45:03 BigD for me, that's a compliment. 2009-02-23 10:45:07 anarchivist BigD++ 2009-02-23 10:45:21 royt royt can't connect via port 8000, even 2009-02-23 10:45:28 mbklein mbklein wonders if one of the FOAF-descendant vocabularies defines an emergencyContact field. 2009-02-23 10:45:45 dchud edsu++ # excellent point 2009-02-23 10:45:46 JodiS mbklein: if not, should define one 2009-02-23 10:45:59 JodiS mbklein: I was wondering about "defunct email address" 2009-02-23 10:46:08 JodiS mbklein: was thinking it would be fun to collect mine up 2009-02-23 10:46:33 BigD where's lunch? 2009-02-23 10:46:39 dbs gsf: heh. benostrowsky got my emaill address wrong in that blog post; phew! 2009-02-23 10:46:45 JodiS "The good news: LC wants to put up id.loc.gov. The problem: when???" 2009-02-23 10:46:48 jbrinley BigD: something in the mall? 2009-02-23 10:47:02 BigD JodiS: is it shovel ready? 2009-02-23 10:47:07 gsf dbs: so that's why you get no spam 2009-02-23 10:47:10 mbklein JodiS: An email client that would accept a FOAF URI as an address would be a nice touch. Just look up the mbox. 2009-02-23 10:47:20 BigD jbrinley: is the mall linked inside, or do you have to walk outside? 2009-02-23 10:47:20 JodiS ooh 2009-02-23 10:47:31 JodiS BigD: must wallk outside. Freezing your CA ass off? 2009-02-23 10:47:33 akorphan On one of those W streets (washington, westminster, something) there's a good Cuban place. 2009-02-23 10:47:33 jbrinley BigD: outside, about 1.5 blocks 2009-02-23 10:47:35 akorphan with great milkshakes. 2009-02-23 10:47:35 BigD i've lived in San Diego too long. can't go outside 2009-02-23 10:47:39 BigD ;) 2009-02-23 10:47:48 jbrinley BigD-- # put a coat on 2009-02-23 10:47:48 BigD JodiS: totally 2009-02-23 10:47:51 anarchivist akorphan: that sounds fucking awesome actually 2009-02-23 10:47:52 JodiS restaurant info: http://wiki.code4lib.org/index.php/Conference_Buzz#Eats 2009-02-23 10:47:53 BigD that's why it's so small 2009-02-23 10:47:54 BigD ;) 2009-02-23 10:48:01 mbklein What obstacles DIDN'T you run into? 2009-02-23 10:48:03 JodiS please add recs if they're not there already 2009-02-23 10:48:05 fak3r BigD: I need my coat too...and lunch 2009-02-23 10:48:09 akorphan anarchivist: It's called Cuban Revolution. 2009-02-23 10:48:15 akorphan Assuming it's still open 2009-02-23 10:48:29 jtgorman_ while there's a bunch of geeks gathered... 2009-02-23 10:48:35 zoia New news from planetcode4lib: Bigwood, David: Metadata Remediation Tools || Engard, Nicole: NFAIS 2009: Information Services for the Born Digital Generation || Engard, Nicole: NFAIS 2009: Digital Natives and Traditional Information Resources 2009-02-23 10:48:37 jtgorman_ any recommendations for mp3/media players? 2009-02-23 10:48:38 dchud wooh! 2009-02-23 10:48:39 anarchivist nerds_in_this_room++ 2009-02-23 10:48:44 BigD jbrinley: i did kill a bear and can wear his skin 2009-02-23 10:48:45 fak3r nerds? um, I prefer geeks sir! 2009-02-23 10:48:48 jtgorman_ ideally one that would work with linux 2009-02-23 10:48:59 jbrinley BigD: that's the spirit 2009-02-23 10:49:04 dchud there were a lot of people at LC that really liked this and got it, fwiw. 2009-02-23 10:49:07 jtgorman_ it would be cool if it had some sort of playlist ability 2009-02-23 10:49:09 mbklein akorphan: http://www.thecubanrevolution.com/Locations2%20CR%20New.htm 2009-02-23 10:49:11 fak3r jtgorman_: Banshee 2009-02-23 10:49:25 jbrinley complaining++ 2009-02-23 10:49:41 akorphan mbklein: other people doing the research++ 2009-02-23 10:49:44 gsf so we should write our congresspersons 2009-02-23 10:50:27 BigD can't that dude just move it to the pirate bay? 2009-02-23 10:50:50 dlovins dchud: Everyone I showed it to at Yale thought lcsh.info was very cool 2009-02-23 10:50:52 dchud i am so glad i got into this program, i hope i can add to this discussion 2009-02-23 10:50:53 jtgorman_ fak3r: is that just a software player? I'm looking for something I can take to listen to podcasts/video casts on the bus/road 2009-02-23 10:50:58 JodiS akorphan: Aborn, I think: http://www.thecubanrevolution.com/ 2009-02-23 10:50:58 jtgorman_ and listen to my music 2009-02-23 10:51:05 fak3r BigD: that's what I was always thinking! 2009-02-23 10:51:13 dchud dlovins: oh yeah? did you demo it in front of a group? 2009-02-23 10:51:23 jbrinley jtgorman_: sounds like you want an iPod 2009-02-23 10:51:29 fak3r jtgorman_: bah, sorry - I have a recent 8gig nano, works great with linux via flooz 2009-02-23 10:51:39 dchud jphipps++ # good story 2009-02-23 10:51:43 dlovins dchud: in front of several groups: IT people, catalogers, managers 2009-02-23 10:51:44 gsf washington_times++ http://opensource.washingtontimes.com/blog/post/coordt/2009/02/washington-times-releases-open-source-projects/ 2009-02-23 10:52:16 jtgorman_ jbrinley: the video would be nice, but not extremely necessary.... 2009-02-23 10:52:19 jtgorman_ jbrinley: and I'm cheap ;) 2009-02-23 10:52:38 jbrinley jtgorman_: find a good contest to win one ;) 2009-02-23 10:52:45 dchud rsinger++ # good question 2009-02-23 10:52:46 mbklein gsf: sweet. 2009-02-23 10:52:48 akorphan jodis, mbklein: I've always pretended that the cross-streets don't exist in Providence. 2009-02-23 10:53:19 gsf rsinger: way to get edsu 'splainin 2009-02-23 10:53:21 jtgorman_ fak3r: flooz? 2009-02-23 10:53:24 fak3r jtgorman_: hit buy.com see if they have last yrs model 2009-02-23 10:53:48 akorphan Isn't flooz the stuff from Pipe Dream? 2009-02-23 10:54:08 BigD some food ideas http://www.yelp.com/search?find_desc=food&find_loc=providence%2C+ri&ns=1&rpp=10#mapCenterLat:41.8270423603/mapCenterLng:-71.4083862305/mapZoom:14/zoomSelected:true/sortby:composite/mapsize:small/show_more_search_options:true 2009-02-23 10:54:18 mbklein gsf: django-projectmgr looks like a friendlier Trac. 2009-02-23 10:54:28 dchud "...my trusty Rosinante moves along the road very well..." 2009-02-23 10:54:29 fak3r jtgorman_: s/flooz/some win/mac/lin itunes replacement... 2009-02-23 10:54:42 fak3r trac-- 2009-02-23 10:54:44 gsf mbklein: not sure what it looks like yet, but yeah, could be 2009-02-23 10:54:49 bess it occurs to me that this is exactly the kind of work that catalogers would be well suited for 2009-02-23 10:55:05 BigD dchud: when are you talking? did you say noon? 2009-02-23 10:55:15 mbklein gsf: I assume it's the project manager being used to manage the projects they've just released. So just click through on a project and you can see it. :) 2009-02-23 10:55:18 dchud BigD: yep, last in the next block 2009-02-23 10:55:25 akorphan Oh, best sushi in Providence that's reasonably priced: Sakura on Wickenden St. 2009-02-23 10:55:37 mbklein BigD: Bad news. Getting to most of those places will require you to go outside. 2009-02-23 10:55:37 akorphan (which street somehow manages to support four or five sushi placaes) 2009-02-23 10:55:40 BigD dchud: isn't 12-1:30 lunchtime? 2009-02-23 10:55:51 BigD mbklein: i have a transporter 2009-02-23 10:55:54 fak3r jtgorman_: s/flooz/floola/ http://www.floola.com/modules/wiwimod/ 2009-02-23 10:56:02 rsinger actually, i think it doesn't have to be lossy, but it would require more assertions to get to the same place 2009-02-23 10:56:04 dchud 12:30-2 is lunchtime 2009-02-23 10:56:10 fak3r sushi-- 2009-02-23 10:56:14 BigD and i can go outside... i grew up on the prairie ;) 2009-02-23 10:56:14 JodiS bess: integrating/opening up data? 2009-02-23 10:56:27 BigD dchud: gotcha, thanks! didn't want to miss you 2009-02-23 10:56:34 anarchivist wickr: just wrote kate bowers @ harvard back about TUCUA 2009-02-23 10:56:40 jbrinley oh, lunch moved later 2009-02-23 10:56:43 MrDys bah...some freebase newbie is f'ing up my demo 2009-02-23 10:56:45 bess JodiS: yes, and re-imagining SKOS so it maps cleanly to LCSH. 2009-02-23 10:56:48 dchud BigD: you're so sweet 2009-02-23 10:57:02 JodiS bess: that sounds great. and those things need to happen. 2009-02-23 10:57:05 gsf mbklein: oh, right. btw, trac++ 2009-02-23 10:57:25 jbrinley jbrinley wonders if it would be better to re-imagine LCSH so it maps better to SKOS 2009-02-23 10:57:26 BigD dchud: blood sugar is good. by 12 i'll be evil again 2009-02-23 10:57:26 BigD ;) 2009-02-23 10:57:33 JodiS akorphan: can you add that sushi to http://wiki.code4lib.org/index.php/Conference_Buzz#Eats 2009-02-23 10:57:36 bess jbrinley++ # also a good approach 2009-02-23 10:57:37 JodiS ? 2009-02-23 10:57:43 mbklein Actual suggestion/comment sent to ask@bpl.org: "I love this site! However, there should be an easy way to exit and I can't find it." 2009-02-23 10:57:44 fak3r jbrinley: ya, I'd like to see that 2009-02-23 10:58:25 jtgorman_ @weather 02907 2009-02-23 10:58:27 zoia jtgorman_: The current temperature in Cherry Hill, Johnston, Rhode Island is 33.1°F (10:58 AM EST on February 23, 2009). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 44%. Dew Point: 14.0°F. Windchill: 24.8°F. Pressure: 29.71 in 1006.0 hPa (Rising). 2009-02-23 10:58:33 jtgorman_ jtgorman_ scratches head 2009-02-23 10:58:58 jtgorman_ @weather Providence RI 2009-02-23 10:59:00 zoia jtgorman_: The current temperature in Cherry Hill, Johnston, Rhode Island is 32.9°F (10:58 AM EST on February 23, 2009). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 44%. Dew Point: 14.0°F. Windchill: 21.2°F. Pressure: 29.71 in 1006.0 hPa (Rising). 2009-02-23 10:59:11 akorphan JodiS: done and done. 2009-02-23 10:59:20 JodiS akorphan++ 2009-02-23 10:59:28 jtgorman_ @weather 61801 2009-02-23 10:59:30 zoia jtgorman_: The current temperature in South Urbana, Urbana, Illinois is 22.8°F (9:40 AM CST on February 23, 2009). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 70%. Dew Point: 14.0°F. Windchill: 23.0°F. Pressure: 29.77 in 1008.0 hPa (Steady). 2009-02-23 10:59:51 fak3r back row on the right: someone has a Chumby! 2009-02-23 11:00:58 akorphan akorphan knows the area and is happy to provide more lunch recommendations for those with specific interests. Will update wiki upon request. 2009-02-23 11:02:22 cazzerson decaf only at the coffee table 2009-02-23 11:02:36 akorphan any more of those terrible protein bars? 2009-02-23 11:06:14 anarchivist soybars+- 2009-02-23 11:06:35 akorphan anarchivist: they weren't bad except for the strange floral aftertaste. 2009-02-23 11:06:49 akorphan on top of all the other typical nutrition bar mediocreness. 2009-02-23 11:07:05 akorphan so yeah, +-. 2009-02-23 11:07:12 cazzerson "floral" is kinda generous 2009-02-23 11:07:32 jbrinley grassy, perhaps? 2009-02-23 11:07:46 cazzerson deodoranty 2009-02-23 11:07:49 akorphan more like... hotel-soap scented. 2009-02-23 11:08:33 akorphan not sure if I can make it another 1.5 hrs to lunch 2009-02-23 11:10:59 ejk So which is the offical snarky backchannel of the conference? Twitter or IRC? 2009-02-23 11:11:12 jbrinley I forgot how much attention it takes to keep up with this conference. With presentations and the channel each requiring at least 65% of my attention, little is left for other work. 2009-02-23 11:11:21 wickr ejk: irc 2009-02-23 11:11:41 jbrinley jbrinley thinks about looking at twitter, but changes his mind 2009-02-23 11:11:54 lbjay lbjay is on the podium 2009-02-23 11:12:21 akorphan akorphan hasn't been able to make himself care about twitter yet. In the big picture sense. 2009-02-23 11:12:41 jbrinley jbrinley ah, that's what lbjay looks like 2009-02-23 11:13:02 lbjay aand 5... 4... 3... 2009-02-23 11:13:17 jbrinley now it works 2009-02-23 11:14:39 akorphan lbjay: not so much success with the call to order, I guess. 2009-02-23 11:18:12 dchud i propose a breakout session on a semiotic deconstruction of the imagery in the conference t-shirt 2009-02-23 11:18:20 zoia New news from planetcode4lib: Spalding, Tim (Thingology): uClassify contest winner 2009-02-23 11:18:22 dchud that or a linked data representation 2009-02-23 11:18:32 fak3r dchud: will need more coffee to undertstand it 2009-02-23 11:18:35 mbklein lbjay++ # takin' charge. kickin' ass. takin' names. 2009-02-23 11:19:03 wickr wasn't there a file with all of the shirt pieces described? 2009-02-23 11:19:04 jbrinley adding them to his foaf... 2009-02-23 11:19:06 rsinger fak3r: there's more coffee now 2009-02-23 11:19:12 anarchivist jay "filthy" luker 2009-02-23 11:19:24 rsinger anarchivist++ 2009-02-23 11:19:33 royt pics from today's OCLC Grid Services precon now up at http://code4lib.org/2009/oclc-precon 2009-02-23 11:19:33 mbklein dchud: Is this you? http://xkcd.com/451/ 2009-02-23 11:20:07 JodiS fak3r: my somewhat broken chumby :) feel free to play with it. step one: get it some internet 2009-02-23 11:20:23 dlovins anarchavist++ 2009-02-23 11:20:29 anarchivist dlovins++ 2009-02-23 11:20:33 JodiS royt: thanks for the pix. 2009-02-23 11:20:38 gsf anarchivist++ wonder if he's heard that one 2009-02-23 11:20:41 royt sure thing 2009-02-23 11:20:42 wickr dchud: if you didn't already see it: http://code4lib.org/files/the%20whole%20world%20is%20in%20here_concept_by%20sandy.txt 2009-02-23 11:20:53 JodiS anybody in linked data taking pictures? 2009-02-23 11:21:09 dchud mbklein: heh. that was a good one. 2009-02-23 11:21:09 dlovins JodiS: I think Ray Schwartz is 2009-02-23 11:21:14 jbrinley JodiS: I saw iand taking pictures earlier 2009-02-23 11:21:26 JodiS awesome. hoping they all get tagged #c4l09 someplace 2009-02-23 11:21:45 dchud wickr: oh cool, thx 2009-02-23 11:21:48 JodiS JodiS is going to be looking for pictures for the Journal, assuming we get conference reports 2009-02-23 11:21:59 dchud colorful tabs! 2009-02-23 11:22:10 dchud eikeon++ 2009-02-23 11:22:20 dchud eikeon: are your ears burning yet? 2009-02-23 11:22:23 edsu eikeon++ 2009-02-23 11:22:31 JodiS lbjay++ 2009-02-23 11:22:48 fak3r dchud: he's a man proud of his tabs 2009-02-23 11:22:54 mjg_ "observe the non-butt-ugliness of this format" 2009-02-23 11:23:02 eikeon :D 2009-02-23 11:23:03 dchud fak3r: it's a beautiful thing 2009-02-23 11:23:08 fak3r I didn't think that was more readable... 2009-02-23 11:23:11 akorphan mjg_: sounds like a quote to me. 2009-02-23 11:23:17 anarchivist anarchivist wants to have an rdf-themed ice cream flavor called "turtle triple ripple" 2009-02-23 11:23:31 mjg_ anarchivist++ 2009-02-23 11:23:38 MrDys step one: choose your uris 2009-02-23 11:23:38 jbrinley anarchivist: filled with pointers to other people's bowls of ice cream? 2009-02-23 11:23:46 MrDys step two: put your junk in those uris 2009-02-23 11:23:47 akorphan ("turtle", "ripple_count", 3) 2009-02-23 11:23:52 fak3r MrDys: I thought he said choose your eyes 2009-02-23 11:23:57 anarchivist anarchivist makes waffle cones using the GRDDL 2009-02-23 11:24:04 MrDys step three: have her open the box 2009-02-23 11:24:08 MrDys s/box/uris 2009-02-23 11:24:17 fak3r "this is me, expressing myself!" 2009-02-23 11:24:27 fak3r ^movie? 2009-02-23 11:24:29 mbklein MrDys++ The funniest SNL short I can't share with anyone I know. 2009-02-23 11:24:33 edsu "break it down" 2009-02-23 11:24:34 JodiS JodiS what was the http://www.mindswap.org URL that lbjay was talking about? 2009-02-23 11:24:36 anarchivist MrDys++ 2009-02-23 11:24:45 gsf gsf @herald add lbjay now entering the ring: jay "filthy" luker 2009-02-23 11:24:45 zoia gsf: The operation succeeded. 2009-02-23 11:24:48 jbrinley JodiS: http://www.mindswap.org/2002/rdfconvert/ 2009-02-23 11:24:56 mjg_ gsf++ 2009-02-23 11:25:01 JodiS jbrinley++ 2009-02-23 11:25:17 jbrinley pecans++ 2009-02-23 11:25:20 mbklein anarchivist: You want SPARQLs on that? 2009-02-23 11:25:26 edsu http://www.mindswap.org/2002/rdfconvert/ 2009-02-23 11:25:48 anarchivist mbklein++ 2009-02-23 11:26:01 anarchivist mbklein: yeah, and the reddi whip is on its way 2009-02-23 11:26:08 mjg_ "...by their poor ability to express themselves" 2009-02-23 11:26:12 mbklein anarchivist+- 2009-02-23 11:26:33 anarchivist NYPL triple ripple 2009-02-23 11:26:36 edsu should we give out some of the books before lunch? 2009-02-23 11:26:37 fak3r classmates.com ? 2009-02-23 11:26:45 jbrinley edsu: yes 2009-02-23 11:26:47 mjg_ lbjay++ # useful stuff 2009-02-23 11:26:52 edsu edsu will go get them 2009-02-23 11:26:57 akorphan better get cracking on that foaf profile.... 2009-02-23 11:27:13 dchud BigD: gotcha 2009-02-23 11:27:18 fak3r hmm...again, not a good sale apoligizing for stuff... 2009-02-23 11:27:27 jbrinley edsu: I liked the system last year of using the raffle to get people back from breaks 2009-02-23 11:27:35 jbrinley edsu: you have to be present to win 2009-02-23 11:27:45 fak3r "you never want to start from scratch" 2009-02-23 11:27:50 dchud if you have won an award in the last six months, please do not apply again 2009-02-23 11:27:53 BigD JodiS: got my camera out... turn around 2009-02-23 11:27:59 gsf lbjay has actually done this speech before, but it was with a shampoo bottle 2009-02-23 11:28:05 dchud employees of the linked data pre-conf and their immediate families are not eligible 2009-02-23 11:28:11 dlovins Anyone ever been to "Toastmasters"? Good for public speaking. 2009-02-23 11:28:55 gsf silence fills the chat room 2009-02-23 11:29:07 JodiS toastmasters++ 2009-02-23 11:29:09 mbklein dlovins: I used to have a colleague who was really into Toastmasters. 2009-02-23 11:29:09 MrDys I don't know about you, but I don't really expect stellar public speaking abilities from code4lib 2009-02-23 11:29:12 JodiS dlovins++ 2009-02-23 11:29:14 MrDys it's the content that matters 2009-02-23 11:29:19 fak3r that guy owes BigD 20$...can we foaf that? 2009-02-23 11:29:22 JodiS MrDys: both, always 2009-02-23 11:29:34 JodiS MrDys: content over flashy presentation, but both. 2009-02-23 11:29:35 mjg_ Who ya gonna call? Toastbusters! 2009-02-23 11:29:43 anarchivist mjg_++ 2009-02-23 11:29:47 fak3r mjg_: ok, I can see that 2009-02-23 11:29:51 anarchivist anarchivist ain't afraid of no toast 2009-02-23 11:29:58 fak3r down with walled gardens! 2009-02-23 11:30:19 MrDys http://loadingreadyrun.com/videos/view/226/The-Secret-Life-of-Toast 2009-02-23 11:30:19 mbklein MrDys: Content I can't follow isn't that much better than no content at all. (Not to say today's stuff falls into that category; just sayin'.) 2009-02-23 11:30:25 bess "we're not building a walled garden"... I love it! I want that on a poster in my library. 2009-02-23 11:30:34 fak3r rerun 2009-02-23 11:30:55 fak3r infinate number of ... monkeys 2009-02-23 11:31:08 JodiS bess: got it on CD 2009-02-23 11:31:10 BigD i wish my camera were quieter 2009-02-23 11:31:19 anarchivist fak3r: there was discussion of rerun in here before 2009-02-23 11:31:20 mbklein http://simple.wikipedia.org++ 2009-02-23 11:31:21 JodiS bess: thanks, copying it 2009-02-23 11:31:23 rsinger bah bum bum, ba bah bum bum 2009-02-23 11:31:26 gsf BigD: it wishes you were quieter, too 2009-02-23 11:31:27 jbrinley BigD: it's not that distracting 2009-02-23 11:31:32 anarchivist i think it was rsinger taking about how rerun tried to bootleg a doobie brothers concert 2009-02-23 11:31:32 fak3r see, he's saying to just use what's out there - I think that's what everyone should do 2009-02-23 11:31:38 bess JodiS: sweet. I have a couple of USB keys here and I want to put it on those too so we can also pass them around 2009-02-23 11:31:40 anarchivist anarchivist has no fucking idea why he remembers that 2009-02-23 11:31:43 fak3r BigD: makes me feel like I'm walking the red carpet 2009-02-23 11:31:44 mbklein gsf++ 2009-02-23 11:31:47 fak3r mjg_: mentioned! 2009-02-23 11:31:53 dchud BOOTLEGGER! 2009-02-23 11:32:12 dchud "tonight, on a very special episode of What's Happening..." 2009-02-23 11:32:21 fak3r looks like it reads in dice 2009-02-23 11:32:30 fak3r dchud: ;) 2009-02-23 11:32:32 rsinger yeah, that's really the only episode i remember 2009-02-23 11:32:43 rsinger "Rog, I just wanted another hamburger, Rog'" 2009-02-23 11:32:44 jbrinley where is indice? 2009-02-23 11:32:49 gsf gsf does 2d4 damage to indice 2009-02-23 11:32:53 gsf @dice 2d4 2009-02-23 11:32:53 zoia gsf: 1 and 2 2009-02-23 11:32:55 dchud R.I.P. Rerun 2009-02-23 11:32:56 gsf damn 2009-02-23 11:33:02 fak3r gsf++ 2009-02-23 11:33:07 dlovins @google indice 2009-02-23 11:33:07 mbklein Fred Berry ftw 2009-02-23 11:33:08 zoia dlovins: Search took 0.15 seconds: Indice - definition of Indice by the Free Online Dictionary ...: ; indice - Wiktionary: ; Indice: ; Big Mac index: exchange-rate theory | The Economist: ; indice Resources | BNET: (2 more messages) 2009-02-23 11:33:16 JodiS bess: know who I should pass this CD to? 2009-02-23 11:33:27 bess JodiS: me, so I can put it on these USB drives 2009-02-23 11:33:36 jbrinley google is not helping me 2009-02-23 11:33:45 gsf gsf is trying to figure out how to use iand's barter vocab to demonstrate the $20 he owes BigD 2009-02-23 11:33:47 fak3r jbrinley: me neither - where is indice? 2009-02-23 11:34:04 JodiS bess: wave 2009-02-23 11:34:11 bess I'm in the back row 2009-02-23 11:34:15 JodiS bess: ok, see you 2009-02-23 11:34:21 fak3r click, click 2009-02-23 11:34:39 wtd sindice.com 2009-02-23 11:34:40 edsu open_world++ 2009-02-23 11:34:57 jbrinley jbrinley wants the wall lamps to have flames instead of bulbs 2009-02-23 11:35:15 edsu lbjay++ 2009-02-23 11:35:16 bess so how to I learn how to actually parse rdf? 2009-02-23 11:35:22 bess is that the afternoon bit? 2009-02-23 11:35:25 BigD how do i calculate interest in RDF? 2009-02-23 11:35:30 fak3r bess: cat file.rdf ? 2009-02-23 11:35:31 BigD or bust kneecaps? 2009-02-23 11:35:32 edsu bess: unfortunately, i think 2009-02-23 11:35:40 edsu bess: what language do you want to use? 2009-02-23 11:35:43 mjg_ mjg_ rolls the sin dice 2009-02-23 11:35:48 bess drat! I can't come to the afternoon workshop. I want to use ruby. 2009-02-23 11:35:49 jbrinley http://sindice.com/ 2009-02-23 11:35:52 fak3r http://sindice.com/ 2009-02-23 11:36:02 royt royt wants a pair of sin dice 2009-02-23 11:36:10 rsinger GYIFs 2009-02-23 11:36:12 rsinger er 2009-02-23 11:36:15 rsinger GIYFs 2009-02-23 11:36:19 rsinger rsinger-- 2009-02-23 11:36:29 fak3r royt: sin dice - that's have to be sharp, dangerous somehow 2009-02-23 11:36:30 dbs royt: we call 'em "tequila pigs" up here 2009-02-23 11:37:05 lbjay lbjay guzzles water, two-fisted 2009-02-23 11:37:10 fak3r not a fan of the green banner. 2009-02-23 11:37:19 gsf dbs: i hope the baby is appreciating your presence as much as we're appreciating your absence 2009-02-23 11:37:20 bess ruby or java, I guess. We're already doing a lot of data harvesting in solrmarc, and it's in java, so I guess we'll need to use java too. Which presumably is better supported than ruby. 2009-02-23 11:37:27 BigD lbjay++ 2009-02-23 11:37:29 edsu bess: you could try http://librdf.org/docs/ruby.html 2009-02-23 11:37:29 JodiS lbjay: like how you segued into Ian's talk 2009-02-23 11:37:37 BigD lbjay: neat to see what you look like finally. 2009-02-23 11:37:43 lbjay JodiS: i'd planned to mention open.vocab.org 2009-02-23 11:37:46 dbs gsf++ 2009-02-23 11:37:51 lbjay slipped through the brain cracks 2009-02-23 11:37:59 BigD well, not that yer neat. at least yer not a long hair freak, like some of these... 2009-02-23 11:38:03 rsinger bess: ruby's state of rdf is piss-poor, sadly 2009-02-23 11:38:16 lbjay BigD++ haircuts++ 2009-02-23 11:38:17 dbs you need a drooling guy sitting in the back to make you all feel better by comparison 2009-02-23 11:38:22 gsf lbjay: edsu mentioned open.vocab.org 2009-02-23 11:38:34 bess rsinger: is it even worth playing with? or is it just broken? 2009-02-23 11:38:36 mjg_ dbs: check. 2009-02-23 11:38:42 akorphan Has anyone made up bingo cards? 2009-02-23 11:38:52 rsinger bess: the redland bindings i think are the 'most stable'? 2009-02-23 11:38:55 gsf gsf wipes off drool 2009-02-23 11:38:55 JodiS bingo cards? 2009-02-23 11:38:59 JodiS oh, no 2009-02-23 11:39:00 anarchivist rsinger: that sounds right 2009-02-23 11:39:05 rsinger bess: but they're not very 'ruby-ish' 2009-02-23 11:39:24 edsu danbri: what's your preferred ruby library for working w/ rdf? 2009-02-23 11:39:29 rsinger bess: of course, you could use jena through jruby and satisfy both needs 2009-02-23 11:39:40 danbri this week: jruby + jena, yes 2009-02-23 11:39:40 rsinger edsu: see above :) 2009-02-23 11:39:44 bess rsinger: go on. 2009-02-23 11:39:45 danbri a new experiment for me. 2009-02-23 11:39:47 gsf there's a lot in open vocab about earworms 2009-02-23 11:39:48 dchud rsinger++ # good point 2009-02-23 11:39:50 danbri am happy so far 2009-02-23 11:39:53 wtd What's with the flames at the top of the screen? 2009-02-23 11:39:57 danbri for skos experiments. lucene too. 2009-02-23 11:40:09 jbrinley wtd: shadows from the curtain 2009-02-23 11:40:13 rsinger bess: have you used jruby at all? 2009-02-23 11:40:27 bess I've compiled ruby code into jruby and run it with java 2009-02-23 11:40:30 bess does that count? 2009-02-23 11:40:33 bess this seems different. 2009-02-23 11:40:34 rsinger sure 2009-02-23 11:40:36 gsf wtd: must be compiz 2009-02-23 11:40:54 bess http://www.thewebsemantic.com/2008/01/05/jena-ruby-bindings-accessing-jenas-feature-rich-rdf-api-from-ruby/ 2009-02-23 11:40:56 dchud c'mon, caffiene, kick in 2009-02-23 11:40:59 bess is that a good place to start? 2009-02-23 11:41:00 rsinger bess: well, it's just the opposite, you'd load the jena jars in your ruby app and instantiate objects and whatnot 2009-02-23 11:41:07 lbjay did they refill the coffee urns yet? 2009-02-23 11:41:14 bess rsinger: okay, gotcha. cool. I'll look into that. 2009-02-23 11:41:17 edsu bess: not so different, basically when you install jruby you can put #!/usr/bin/env jruby in your script, and then you can write ruby that has access to java libraries like jena, lucene, etc 2009-02-23 11:41:27 anarchivist dchud: it's a little scary that i've had ~3 cups of coffee and am halfway through a diet coke and am not feeling the buzz yet 2009-02-23 11:41:28 mjg_ lbjay: someone was doing something over there, so it's likely. 2009-02-23 11:41:47 JodiS anarchivist: I'm worried for the rest of us later ;) 2009-02-23 11:41:51 akorphan akorphan just begrudgingly foafed. 2009-02-23 11:41:51 dchud anarchivist: then why are you shaking like that? 2009-02-23 11:41:53 bess edsu: sweet! I did not know that. I've only ever used jruby in the other direction, i.e., write in ruby and run in java 2009-02-23 11:41:56 gsf anarchivist: i blame earthless 2009-02-23 11:42:02 anarchivist gsf++ 2009-02-23 11:42:12 anarchivist anarchivist blames, uh, earthless too 2009-02-23 11:42:14 edsu bess: it's bascially the same thing :) 2009-02-23 11:42:21 robcaSSon @blame j. mascis 2009-02-23 11:42:22 zoia robcaSSon: is that some kinda fucked up sparql query? 2009-02-23 11:42:23 edsu how was that earthless show? 2009-02-23 11:42:27 BigD i hate the light in rooms like this 2009-02-23 11:42:31 anarchivist edsu: fucking rad 2009-02-23 11:42:36 anarchivist edsu: we didnt stay for witch 2009-02-23 11:42:40 mjg_ zoia++ # topical! 2009-02-23 11:42:41 robcaSSon edsu: it was good...we bailed early 2009-02-23 11:42:42 zoia mjg_: have you tried yaz-marcdump? 2009-02-23 11:42:45 BigD why can we do all conferences outside in the sun? like in californis! 2009-02-23 11:42:46 dchud BigD: me too. are you filtering? 2009-02-23 11:43:10 eikeon zoia++ #indeed ;) 2009-02-23 11:43:11 zoia eikeon: your CeCe Winans Featured Selection order has been confirmed! 2009-02-23 11:43:13 edsu http://schemacache.test.talis.com/ 2009-02-23 11:43:17 lbjay open.vocab.org is teh awesome 2009-02-23 11:43:21 bess rsinger, edsu: thank you. jena looks great. That's what I'm going to play with. 2009-02-23 11:43:24 rsinger bess: yeah, you wont go back to java now 2009-02-23 11:43:32 BigD dchud: define filtering? i just have a UV filter on like usual 2009-02-23 11:43:40 rsinger bess: plus, jruby is faster than MRI 1.8 2009-02-23 11:43:42 dchud eikeon: cool, i didn't know you were into the Winanses 2009-02-23 11:43:57 dchud BigD: that counts i guess 2009-02-23 11:44:19 dchud BigD: i have it in my mind to learn to use a red filter and a polarizer when i shoot b&w. i don't understand them yet. 2009-02-23 11:44:20 rsinger ah, technologically enforced time limit 2009-02-23 11:44:31 mjg_ @hosts2010 2009-02-23 11:44:33 zoia mjg_: Asheville, NC [160]; Austin, TX [154]; Madison, WI [138]; Columbus, OH [102]; Bloomington, IN [72] 2009-02-23 11:44:42 BigD i think i have those with me if you want to play 2009-02-23 11:44:59 dchud BigD: i smell a breakout session. i would love to do that. 2009-02-23 11:45:53 akorphan asheville would be pretty sweet. On the other hand, I'd love to recommend Chapel Hill for 2011 2009-02-23 11:45:58 anarchivist dchud: no, that's just BigD's BO 2009-02-23 11:46:09 bess akorphan: Chapel_Hill++ 2009-02-23 11:46:14 bess akorphan: are you in Chapel Hill? 2009-02-23 11:46:33 akorphan Not at the moment. Not even at work. Not even at home. But at home, I'm next door to Chapel HIll. 2009-02-23 11:46:38 akorphan How's that for evasive? 2009-02-23 11:46:38 mjg_ BigD: couldn't you have gone to the personal hygiene pre-conf? 2009-02-23 11:46:50 mbklein akorphan: Hillsboro? 2009-02-23 11:46:57 anarchivist mjg_: you should talk, man. you forgot your beard net. 2009-02-23 11:46:57 akorphan mbklein: Carrboro 2009-02-23 11:47:06 mbklein akorphan: ah ok 2009-02-23 11:47:11 wickr ferret cage 2009-02-23 11:47:13 dchud welcome to #code4lib: not above the occasional body odor joke, since 2003! 2009-02-23 11:47:26 mjg_ my beard net brings all the hairs to the net. 2009-02-23 11:47:28 akorphan Freight Train #9 level crossing ++ 2009-02-23 11:47:29 bess akorphan: do we know each other? I'm from Carrboro. Are you from there, or you just live there now? 2009-02-23 11:47:47 robcaSSon @quote search smell smart 2009-02-23 11:47:49 BigD dchud: sure! on the camera stuff... 2009-02-23 11:47:50 zoia robcaSSon: 1 found: #1301: "< roobcaSSooon> edsu: you smell smart" 2009-02-23 11:47:52 akorphan bess: I live there, but am from New England. 2009-02-23 11:48:10 cazzerson carrboro++ 2009-02-23 11:48:17 zoia New news from planetcode4lib: del.icio.us: OpenVocab || del.icio.us: Sindice - The semantic web index || del.icio.us: vocab.org - A URI space for vocabularies || del.icio.us: RDF Converter || del.icio.us: Mindswap Homepage 2009-02-23 11:48:21 bess akorphan: say hi to Weaver St for me. :) 2009-02-23 11:48:24 mjg_ good questions. 2009-02-23 11:48:29 dchud this could be a great discussion topic 2009-02-23 11:48:37 mjg_ this_preconf++ 2009-02-23 11:48:41 akorphan bess: Will do 2009-02-23 11:48:47 akorphan co-op grocery ++ 2009-02-23 11:48:58 mjg_ (BigD's malodorousness notwithstanding) 2009-02-23 11:49:40 BigD anarchivist: mjg_ Yer Moms. oh yeah. I went there. 2009-02-23 11:49:42 mjg_ I've gotta say, as scary as the range-14 stuff can get, it's been pretty smooth so far. 2009-02-23 11:49:50 gsf gsf only links data on the ferretnet 2009-02-23 11:50:08 anarchivist the distributed global ferret 2009-02-23 11:50:13 mjg_ mjg_ asserts foaf:musk 2009-02-23 11:50:18 mbklein akorphan: I'll second the co-op++ for having good options for my celiac kid to eat when we were in NC a couple years ago. 2009-02-23 11:50:19 gsf the ferretnet is all hashes. a nest of hashes 2009-02-23 11:50:19 akorphan the hamsternet is full of habitrail tubes. 2009-02-23 11:50:19 jbrinley is somebody going to talk about the range-14 stuff? 2009-02-23 11:50:49 danbri can't we forget range-14? so much time is wasted on those details.... :( 2009-02-23 11:50:57 danbri but i agree it can be confusing to not explain it, also 2009-02-23 11:50:58 mjg_ jbrinley: iand kind of deftly walked around it, which I thought was perfect. 2009-02-23 11:51:10 danbri iand++ 2009-02-23 11:51:16 gsf mjg_: pirouetted, really 2009-02-23 11:51:21 jbrinley jbrinley just wants a good, explicit understanding of what it is 2009-02-23 11:51:22 mjg_ iand++ # werd. 2009-02-23 11:51:26 akorphan I have to confess that I think human thought is too messy to be properly semanticized. 2009-02-23 11:52:01 mjg_ alcohol poisoning makes it even more difficult. 2009-02-23 11:52:05 gsf jbrinley: did you read the cool uris piece yet? 2009-02-23 11:52:08 danbri akorphan, the fact that my mind is messy, is one reason i like to be able to rely on socially constructed props ... calendars, databases, computers... 2009-02-23 11:52:23 jbrinley gsf: no, not yet 2009-02-23 11:52:33 danbri ...semweb shouldn't be mistaken for a cogsci project: we're supplementign the human mind, not modelling it. 2009-02-23 11:52:36 jbrinley gsf: thanks for pointing me there 2009-02-23 11:52:39 rsinger well, i guess a way to look at that particular question is that a gerund isn't the same thing as a verb 2009-02-23 11:52:43 BigD who dat? 2009-02-23 11:52:46 akorphan danbri: but when it gets to things like, "what does one mean by 'anniversary'," it will be tough to lay out all the shades of meaning... 2009-02-23 11:52:56 gsf jbrinley: it's in the handout methinks 2009-02-23 11:53:01 akorphan mmm, tacos. 2009-02-23 11:53:11 danbri what did i mean by "schoolHomepage"? 2009-02-23 11:53:24 danbri as a brit, i meant " the home page of the place where you went to school" 2009-02-23 11:53:32 danbri which is of course something that's over by 16 or so... 2009-02-23 11:53:44 danbri then usamericans started using the property too, and its meaning drifted 2009-02-23 11:53:49 danbri universities etc too. 2009-02-23 11:53:59 danbri no great harm done, as it turns out. rdf is sufficiently bendy. 2009-02-23 11:54:18 taco hi everyone! so far, yet so close... is the irc projected on a backchannel yet? 2009-02-23 11:54:30 danbri when you don't want bendy data, OWL lets you write down more assumptions so that miscommunication is more readily detected... 2009-02-23 11:54:34 akorphan danbri: it's because the us americans don't have maps. 2009-02-23 11:54:49 gsf gsf taco: lbjay put it up on screen for a second 2009-02-23 11:55:39 mjg_ jphipps++ 2009-02-23 11:55:50 mbklein akorphan++ 2009-02-23 11:56:20 mjg_ JodiS++ # all the wrangling re: getting slides on the wiki, getting folks to use the conf tag, etc. 2009-02-23 11:56:21 akorphan akorphan switches to the blue line at the Iraq. 2009-02-23 11:56:29 gsf lbjay++ good talk, btw. appreciate the anti-xml 2009-02-23 11:56:33 mjg_ akorphan++ 2009-02-23 11:56:36 JodiS mjg: np :) 2009-02-23 11:56:44 jbrinley jbrinley has always liked rdf/xml 2009-02-23 11:57:35 jbrinley it's true, I watched him 2009-02-23 11:57:45 akorphan akorphan has always thought RDF was an overly complicated way of presenting ordered triplets. 2009-02-23 11:57:58 akorphan RDF+xml that is 2009-02-23 11:58:13 danbri do you have a preferred redesign? 2009-02-23 11:58:26 jbrinley it's complicated, yes, but, if done well, it's easy to scan 2009-02-23 11:58:35 akorphan danbri: Can't say as I do. 2009-02-23 11:58:37 jbrinley n3 is not 2009-02-23 11:58:42 akorphan So maybe I shouldn't complain. 2009-02-23 11:59:05 danbri at least we have GRDDL now. If someone comes up with a great successor, they can just write the xslt and evangelise; generic GRDDL parsers will eat it... 2009-02-23 11:59:14 jbrinley but I may not know enough about n3 to have an informed opinion 2009-02-23 11:59:27 gsf gsf contemplates distracting edsu long enough to grab a copy of working ontologist 2009-02-23 11:59:40 JodiS JodiS would like to understand GRDDL but doesn't 2009-02-23 11:59:51 dchud i like the prose documentation bits. i'm all for auto-generating prose notes. 2009-02-23 12:00:14 dchud if somebody could do a "what is GRDDL" talk/demo after lunch i'd be grateful 2009-02-23 12:00:17 mbklein hngry confrcegoer iz hngry 2009-02-23 12:00:27 danbri is SKOS getting much discussion at the conf? 2009-02-23 12:00:33 mjg_ dchud++ # good idea. 2009-02-23 12:00:54 mjg_ danbri: it's been mentioned numerous times in fact 2009-02-23 12:00:58 cazzerson dchud: me too 2009-02-23 12:01:02 jbrinley jbrinley wants to attend a 3-5 day linked data/practical semweb workshop 2009-02-23 12:01:08 danbri all good i hope 2009-02-23 12:01:20 dchud those adrenaline butterflies do wonders for my mental focus. it's amazing. 2009-02-23 12:01:43 mbklein mbklein can kind of explain what GRDDL is, but can't go deep. 2009-02-23 12:01:55 danbri i really want to spend some time this spring contrasting OWL classification facilities with what you get in Library classification systems 2009-02-23 12:01:55 bess jbrinley++ # that is an awesome idea. Who could organize that? 2009-02-23 12:02:10 mjg_ danbri: yup, good or neutral/factual 2009-02-23 12:02:10 danbri ie. how can we re-do "Social impact of - Tin Mining - In Sweden - in the 1960s" in SKOS/OWL, so that the pieces are mechnically visible 2009-02-23 12:02:29 anarchivist i fucking hate LCSH 2009-02-23 12:02:37 anarchivist let it be known 2009-02-23 12:02:38 danbri GRDDL is just a convention for delcaring URLs of (typically) XSLT documents that turn not-obviously-RDF files into RDF files 2009-02-23 12:02:43 mbklein anarchivist: C'mon, quit holding back. 2009-02-23 12:02:46 JodiS jbrinley: example: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Notation3 2009-02-23 12:02:47 anarchivist mbklein: :) 2009-02-23 12:03:00 mbklein danbri: exactly. 2009-02-23 12:03:04 danbri anarchivist, what would you use instead? 2009-02-23 12:03:04 anarchivist ranganathan FTW 2009-02-23 12:03:04 bess could we do something like "six weeks to a social library" as "six weeks to a semanticly linked library"? 2009-02-23 12:03:23 anarchivist danbri: the FAST stuff is really interesting 2009-02-23 12:03:27 jbrinley JodiS: ok, that's pretty scannable 2009-02-23 12:03:35 danbri yeah, I read up on FAST again last week 2009-02-23 12:03:40 akorphan akorphan thinks it's weird that there's no 1:1 correspondence betwen LCSH and LCC 2009-02-23 12:03:45 anarchivist danbri: http://www.oclc.org/research/projects/fast/ 2009-02-23 12:03:48 iand iand thanks mibbit 2009-02-23 12:04:00 anarchivist akorphan: they grow in parallel 2009-02-23 12:04:00 dchud danbri: it turns 'em into rdf files? not triples? is the rdf serialization pegged to one or another? 2009-02-23 12:04:01 mbklein anarchivist: http://www.walkingpaper.org/128 2009-02-23 12:04:03 danbri hoping oclc will release more and soon 2009-02-23 12:04:10 jbrinley akorphan: why, they're two very different things? 2009-02-23 12:04:12 royt FWIW, we're hoping to put FAST up as linked data 2009-02-23 12:04:14 danbri dchud ... yeah, it maps into rdf/xml 2009-02-23 12:04:24 anarchivist royt: git er done, mane 2009-02-23 12:04:26 royt already available via an API 2009-02-23 12:04:28 danbri royt, any more news on that? you said last week something might be looming 2009-02-23 12:04:32 royt anarchivist: i hear ya 2009-02-23 12:04:33 dchud ah, okay, i always assumed it was more of a build-a-graph-in-memory thing 2009-02-23 12:04:33 anarchivist royt: link link linky? 2009-02-23 12:04:38 danbri and liberal terms of use? 2009-02-23 12:04:38 gsf anarchivist: did you get in touch with that archival thesaurus person? 2009-02-23 12:04:43 akorphan jbrinley, anarchivist: They are different, but for the most part, a classification suggests a "primary" subject heading. 2009-02-23 12:04:55 anarchivist gsf: yeah 2009-02-23 12:04:56 royt wheels spin slowly, but at least they're moving 2009-02-23 12:05:05 gsf anarchivist: so what's the deal? 2009-02-23 12:05:06 anarchivist gsf: she's pumped on the idea of publishing it as SKOS 2009-02-23 12:05:14 gsf anarchivist: oh, awesome 2009-02-23 12:05:24 royt anarchivist: sweet 2009-02-23 12:05:24 akorphan one presumes that there should exist a function that goes f(lcc ) -> lcsh 2009-02-23 12:05:29 akorphan but there isn't. 2009-02-23 12:05:39 danbri what is "it"? 2009-02-23 12:05:40 jbrinley akorphan: but LCSH isn't just subjects, it's also format, authorship, etc. 2009-02-23 12:05:41 mbklein danbri: Does the target *have* to be rdf+xml? I thought both endpoints were variable in the spec, as long as the end result is a well known RDF format. 2009-02-23 12:05:46 danbri i was looking at UKAT thesaurus SKOS lately 2009-02-23 12:05:48 anarchivist gsf: SAA has copyright though so there should be due diligence 2009-02-23 12:05:48 dchud one is subject headings. the other is a classification system. 2009-02-23 12:05:57 robcaSSon robcaSSon is damn hungry 2009-02-23 12:05:59 anarchivist gsf: the publications chair is my intern's advisor, though 2009-02-23 12:06:03 dchud they don't have to have a clear cross-mapping 2009-02-23 12:06:04 danbri mbklein, the spec probably leaves it open, but general practice is to use something that rdf toolkit parsers understand 2009-02-23 12:06:09 anarchivist gsf: and he seems like he kind of gets this stuff, so i think that won't be a problem 2009-02-23 12:06:14 danbri ... could be more grddl i guess :) 2009-02-23 12:06:18 anarchivist gsf: the data exists as an access DB at least 2009-02-23 12:06:24 dchud y'all, i hope you stay for my talk (next), i promise to go 15min or less and say a few interesting things 2009-02-23 12:06:25 gsf anarchivist: well don't jinx it 2009-02-23 12:06:26 JodiS danbri: thanks, your GRDDL explanation helps 2009-02-23 12:06:32 danbri welcome :) 2009-02-23 12:06:36 gsf anarchivist: but sounds good. did you get the db? 2009-02-23 12:06:44 bess anyone want a USB key with GIS pre-conference data on it? 2009-02-23 12:06:47 dchud danbri: indeed, thank you for that :) 2009-02-23 12:06:47 anarchivist gsf: not yet, the db isn't up to date 2009-02-23 12:06:48 akorphan they do do different things, but there's a lot of overlap 2009-02-23 12:06:49 JodiS bess: that would be really awesome 2009-02-23 12:06:54 mjg_ jphipps++ # shameless, and awesome. 2009-02-23 12:06:57 fak3r consultant mention! 2009-02-23 12:06:57 mbklein Tha's a lot of tabs. 2009-02-23 12:06:58 anarchivist gsf: but she sounds like she's onboard 2009-02-23 12:07:00 akorphan there is certainly a relationship "suggested" 2009-02-23 12:07:15 akorphan it would be nice if it were somehow explicit 2009-02-23 12:07:18 JodiS bess: have you seen http://semanticlibrary.pbwiki.com/Learning+Program ? 2009-02-23 12:07:21 akorphan to the extent possible. 2009-02-23 12:07:28 mbklein Time to switch the dongle. 2009-02-23 12:07:35 fak3r dchud FTW! 2009-02-23 12:07:42 BigD i'm friggin starving 2009-02-23 12:07:48 jbrinley bess: yes to the GIS data 2009-02-23 12:07:50 mjg_ openzerometalinkedconfsearchdata, commence! 2009-02-23 12:07:54 rsinger hrm, i guess i could have asked -- "if the funding ran out, will the registry eventually get shut off?" 2009-02-23 12:07:59 bess JodiS: obviously great minds think alike. :) 2009-02-23 12:08:04 gsf BigD: you're like christian bale in the machinist 2009-02-23 12:08:05 fak3r channel mention! 2009-02-23 12:08:05 royt BigD: gnaw on your arm 2009-02-23 12:08:07 JodiS :) 2009-02-23 12:08:11 bess jbrinley: where are you? I'm in the back row in a purple sweater. 2009-02-23 12:08:18 rsinger jphipps: see above 2009-02-23 12:08:20 robcaSSon mbklein: in the dongle jangle morning, i'll follow you 2009-02-23 12:08:21 jbrinley bess: front row, right (green shirt) 2009-02-23 12:08:23 fak3r w00t! 2009-02-23 12:08:23 rsinger jphipps: shoulda asked that 2009-02-23 12:08:25 mbklein The raffle prizes have entered the building. 2009-02-23 12:08:28 edsu hey! 2009-02-23 12:08:28 iand bess: what's the data? 2009-02-23 12:08:30 fak3r damn, I was on screen for a sec! 2009-02-23 12:08:30 danbri rsinger, that's always a good question to ask about registries (sadly...) 2009-02-23 12:08:32 jbrinley bess: I can see you afterward 2009-02-23 12:08:34 edsu where'd my screen real estate go? 2009-02-23 12:08:40 gsf @ana openzerometalinkedconfsearchdata 2009-02-23 12:08:42 zoia gsf: Error: I tried to send you an empty message. 2009-02-23 12:08:43 JodiS thanks for the slides, jphipps! :) and the answer 2009-02-23 12:08:44 bess jbrinley: okay, I'll hang out at the back 2009-02-23 12:08:44 gsf ha 2009-02-23 12:08:46 BigD BigD gnaws $20 worth of arm off of gsf 2009-02-23 12:08:55 iand errr I am way behind on scrollback :) 2009-02-23 12:08:58 fak3r dreamhost-- 2009-02-23 12:09:08 fak3r 10 year domain, good idea 2009-02-23 12:09:14 wtd Cool vids on screen. 2009-02-23 12:09:15 bess iand: if you're taking the GIS workshop there was some data you're supposed to download. we're passing it around on DVDs and USB keys so as not to overload the network. 2009-02-23 12:09:18 gsf dreamhost, the most generic host 2009-02-23 12:09:24 mbklein mbklein hates dreamhost, but likes their newsletters 2009-02-23 12:09:35 rsinger jphipps++ #thanks 2009-02-23 12:09:43 fak3r gray_text++ 2009-02-23 12:09:47 mbklein Represent! 2009-02-23 12:09:48 JodiS LC-- 2009-02-23 12:09:52 robcaSSon B. A. Chudnov 2009-02-23 12:09:53 fak3r bad_attitude 2009-02-23 12:09:55 MrDys B.A. Chudnov 2009-02-23 12:09:57 robcaSSon needs more mohawk 2009-02-23 12:09:58 lbjay d "bad attitude" chud 2009-02-23 12:09:59 robcaSSon MrDys++ 2009-02-23 12:10:07 MrDys git outta mah brain 2009-02-23 12:10:09 fak3r do we have to knock him out to get on a plane? 2009-02-23 12:10:12 robcaSSon Mr. C. 2009-02-23 12:10:16 fak3r on screen! ha 2009-02-23 12:10:26 robcaSSon get to photoshopping 2009-02-23 12:10:30 gsf oh dear 2009-02-23 12:10:31 fak3r 122? 2009-02-23 12:10:36 fak3r w00t? 2009-02-23 12:10:48 jbrinley fak3r: but only 6 words to a slide 2009-02-23 12:11:11 fak3r "custom software out of the way" yes! 2009-02-23 12:11:22 anarchivist go chudley go 2009-02-23 12:11:38 fak3r he loves data formats... m...ok 2009-02-23 12:11:41 gsf loud clod 2009-02-23 12:11:52 fak3r gsf: ouch 2009-02-23 12:11:59 mjg_ gsf: that's a Malkmus track I'm pretty sure 2009-02-23 12:12:03 BigD he loves gatherings, but hates people 2009-02-23 12:12:07 fak3r cut teeth? 2009-02-23 12:12:28 gsf mjg_: dchud/malkmus connection runs deep 2009-02-23 12:12:30 akorphan My aunt Sally loves meetings, but hates conferences 2009-02-23 12:12:30 rsinger dental library, maybe 2009-02-23 12:12:36 akorphan She adores apples, but can't stand pears. 2009-02-23 12:12:40 fak3r nice reflection on the imgs...so web 2.0! 2009-02-23 12:13:00 mbklein I love any data format that doesn't end with "ML" 2009-02-23 12:13:04 BigD the reflection is metadata 2009-02-23 12:13:04 fak3r akorphan: I have an Aunt Sally too, nice 2009-02-23 12:13:04 JodiS dchud is brilliant 2009-02-23 12:13:14 anarchivist ChesthairML 2009-02-23 12:13:15 mbklein I'm OK with XML, but not every derivative has to end with ML 2009-02-23 12:13:15 zoia Don't cry for me, Metadataaaaa! 2009-02-23 12:13:35 fak3r jazz ftw 2009-02-23 12:13:50 akorphan ready reference++ 2009-02-23 12:13:51 BigD i want $10000 to spend on lenses 2009-02-23 12:13:52 fak3r bird on bottom left 2009-02-23 12:14:38 MrDys pants_up_to_your_ribcage-- 2009-02-23 12:14:39 mbklein click click click click click click click click click click click click click 2009-02-23 12:14:53 fak3r MrDys: always true 2009-02-23 12:14:56 mbklein MrDys: Better than a ribcage down to your pants. 2009-02-23 12:15:13 fak3r nice html tables 2009-02-23 12:15:38 lbjay hmm, a petercline sighting 2009-02-23 12:15:52 JodiS FRBR mentions: 3 2009-02-23 12:15:53 akorphan mmm, beer. 2009-02-23 12:15:53 gsf save frbr for beers 2009-02-23 12:15:59 akorphan Bingo! 2009-02-23 12:16:05 mjg_ FRBR = FoRBeeRs 2009-02-23 12:16:13 MrDys forbearers 2009-02-23 12:16:13 jtgorman_ mbklein: ISBD doesn't end in ML....neither does MARC 2009-02-23 12:16:15 mbklein Wait, "frbr" isn't just an efficient way of ordering FouR BeeRs at once? 2009-02-23 12:16:18 lbjay mjg_++ 2009-02-23 12:16:20 fak3r don't like safari scrollbars in screenshots 2009-02-23 12:16:30 anarchivist mbklein: that's how you do it on twitter 2009-02-23 12:16:34 jtgorman_ just..ahh.saying 2009-02-23 12:16:41 mbklein brtndr! frbr! 2009-02-23 12:16:50 jtgorman_ @bartender gsf 2009-02-23 12:16:52 zoia zoia fills a pint glass with Flying Horse Royal Lager, and sends it sliding down the bar to gsf (http://beeradvocate.com/beer/profile/91/1673/) 2009-02-23 12:17:05 JodiS seeAlso 2009-02-23 12:17:22 SweetPea audience is full of shills 2009-02-23 12:17:23 JodiS mjg++ 2009-02-23 12:17:38 fak3r BigD: true dat 2009-02-23 12:17:42 gsf <-- #1 dchud shill 2009-02-23 12:17:46 bess jbrinley: do you want a DVD or a USB key w/ the GIS data? 2009-02-23 12:18:13 jbrinley bess: either way. I'll copy it to hard disk and give it back. 2009-02-23 12:18:20 zoia New news from planetcode4lib: del.icio.us: pyrple - An RDF API in Python || del.icio.us: Developers Guide to Semantic Web Toolkits for different Programming Languages || Engard, Nicole: NFAIS 2009: Engaging the Global Digital Native: Transforming Technologies || Bigwood, David: Google, Yahoo and MSN Agree on the 2009-02-23 12:18:35 anarchivist BigD: this is the talk that bradw should be hearing 2009-02-23 12:18:40 jbrinley bess: assuming less than 40GB :) 2009-02-23 12:18:42 ranti ranti wants to see dchud's library-reference cloud screen shot, if any. 2009-02-23 12:18:49 BigD anarchivist: yep 2009-02-23 12:18:49 mbklein Is "rel=contents" used by Google to build those results with deep links? 2009-02-23 12:19:01 BigD we'll get to him at dinner 2009-02-23 12:19:09 jbrinley ranti: should be linked from http://wiki.code4lib.org/index.php/LinkedData eventually 2009-02-23 12:19:10 BigD thinking trinity brewhouse tonight 2009-02-23 12:19:23 mjg_ dchud just took his first breath of the past ten minutes. 2009-02-23 12:19:23 anarchivist BigD: i've already talked sibyl's ear off about this 2009-02-23 12:19:31 mjg_ (I heard it.) 2009-02-23 12:19:39 JodiS I wish dchud could reprise this for everyone 2009-02-23 12:19:53 ranti jbrinley: thanks! 2009-02-23 12:19:58 mbklein JodiS: I think that's why he was trying to record himself. 2009-02-23 12:19:59 jbrinley JodiS: talk 4 times as fast for a lightning talk? 2009-02-23 12:19:59 dbs JodiS: camcorder? 2009-02-23 12:20:02 gsf mjg_: he's been drinking from that vodka thermos pretty consistently 2009-02-23 12:20:14 mjg_ mjg_ snorts 2009-02-23 12:20:17 BigD JodiS: with a bit more caffeine i bet he could jam the talk into a lightning 2009-02-23 12:20:18 jbrinley vodka > air 2009-02-23 12:20:34 JodiS BigD: he'd have to cut some parts 2009-02-23 12:20:41 JodiS mbklein: I thought that was to put on the web 2009-02-23 12:20:48 JodiS I'm definitely rereading this presentation 2009-02-23 12:20:55 anarchivist hmm hmm hmm 2009-02-23 12:21:04 anarchivist anarchivist wants faceting based on identifiers 2009-02-23 12:21:11 jbrinley oh, no! 2009-02-23 12:21:15 akorphan wikipedia-- 2009-02-23 12:21:22 akorphan stuff goes away-- 2009-02-23 12:21:23 fak3r register billystrayhorn.com 2009-02-23 12:21:24 mbklein JodiS: "Putting it on the web" == "Reprising it for everyone" 2009-02-23 12:21:32 JodiS mbklein: yes and no 2009-02-23 12:21:48 mbklein JodiS: Yeah, I know. 2009-02-23 12:21:53 lbjay pssst, dchud. edsu is right here! 2009-02-23 12:21:54 JodiS mbklein: dchud in person is way more awesome than dchud on the web. 2009-02-23 12:22:14 BigD JodiS: i'm just the opposite 2009-02-23 12:22:16 ranti mbklein: it's more fun to watch dchud waves his hands while talking 2009-02-23 12:22:17 edsu it broke anders data 2009-02-23 12:22:23 mjg_ edsu++ # good point 2009-02-23 12:22:25 edsu and his venture 2009-02-23 12:22:28 rsinger edsu: did it? 2009-02-23 12:22:29 mbklein The new Apple iChud. "Dan. For everyone." 2009-02-23 12:22:37 edsu rsinger: yeah 2009-02-23 12:22:39 rsinger edsu: the uris still identified the same thing, right? 2009-02-23 12:22:41 bess mbklein++ 2009-02-23 12:22:42 anarchivist rsinger: yeah definitely 2009-02-23 12:22:43 JodiS edsu: SAY that 2009-02-23 12:22:53 JodiS mbklein++ #lol 2009-02-23 12:22:56 anarchivist edsu: yeah, if anyone you can tell chudley to STFU 2009-02-23 12:23:03 edsu 404-data! 2009-02-23 12:23:05 mjg_ 404'd_data++ 2009-02-23 12:23:15 JodiS 404'd_data-- 2009-02-23 12:23:17 lbjay but they'll never break our spirits! 2009-02-23 12:23:20 anarchivist WHAT WE NEED IS AN ONTOLOGY TO REPRESENT 404D DATA 2009-02-23 12:23:21 JodiS 404'd_data-- 2009-02-23 12:23:21 JodiS 404'd_data-- 2009-02-23 12:23:22 JodiS 404'd_data-- 2009-02-23 12:23:40 mbklein Delinked Data < Unlinked Data 2009-02-23 12:24:00 mbklein Better to have linked and lost than never to have linked at all? NO! 2009-02-23 12:24:04 lbjay software, like a web browser? 2009-02-23 12:24:06 edsu rsinger: it only broke i guess if he didn't cache the data he cared about locally 2009-02-23 12:24:06 anarchivist NOTHING LASTS 4EVA ON TEH INTERNETS 2009-02-23 12:24:11 mjg_ ... print out all the linked data pages? 2009-02-23 12:24:13 rsinger edsu: right 2009-02-23 12:24:16 gsf mbklein++ 2009-02-23 12:24:19 anarchivist mjg_: print out and ocr them! 2009-02-23 12:24:22 jbrinley mjg_++ 2009-02-23 12:24:23 BigD burn the web 2009-02-23 12:24:23 rsinger edsu: but that was kind of careless, right? 2009-02-23 12:24:26 iand apparently dbpedia is 404 today 2009-02-23 12:24:36 jbrinley anarchivist: if only I weren't doing that as part of my job 2009-02-23 12:24:38 rsinger edsu: and the URI still means the same thing, right? 2009-02-23 12:24:41 edsu rsinger: not really, all this is new 2009-02-23 12:24:43 edsu imho 2009-02-23 12:24:45 anarchivist jbrinley++ 2009-02-23 12:24:47 MrDys brazillian linked data 2009-02-23 12:24:51 iand hmm, seems to work for me 2009-02-23 12:25:01 gsf ah, so dchud wants us to use handle.net 2009-02-23 12:25:03 fak3r internet archive is supposed to save the web... 2009-02-23 12:25:09 lbjay when does the Lords of the Dance stuff start? 2009-02-23 12:25:17 anarchivist lbjay++ 2009-02-23 12:25:30 jbrinley lbjay: arm waving in the morning, leg kicking in the afternoon 2009-02-23 12:25:35 mjg_ mjg_ wonders if lbjay is in punching range. 2009-02-23 12:25:43 BigD lbjay: i bet if we start clapping a rhythm... 2009-02-23 12:25:47 robcaSSon robcaSSon takes a bid to kick lbjay 2009-02-23 12:25:50 anarchivist BigD++ 2009-02-23 12:25:50 lbjay jbrinley++ 2009-02-23 12:25:52 mjg_ clapping algorhythms 2009-02-23 12:25:52 akorphan I see this talk leading to a conclusion that commercial interests would not like. 2009-02-23 12:25:54 robcaSSon robcaSSon leans over and coughs 2009-02-23 12:25:57 zoia zoia sneezes 2009-02-23 12:26:00 lbjay lbjay dodges 2009-02-23 12:26:03 JodiS caching makes sense. importance of identifying canonical stuff 2009-02-23 12:26:11 rsinger edsu: i guess i just don't know what "broke" in libris 2009-02-23 12:26:28 BigD isn't holographic storage supposed to solve all this? 2009-02-23 12:26:31 edsu rsinger: you mean the webapp? 2009-02-23 12:26:37 rsinger edsu: yeah 2009-02-23 12:26:40 gsf BigD: holographic dchud? 2009-02-23 12:26:45 edsu rsinger: or the effort the expended in linking up stuff, to make their data richer? 2009-02-23 12:26:50 jbrinley oh, is that what iChud is? 2009-02-23 12:27:02 gsf jbrinley: arm waving included 2009-02-23 12:27:03 akorphan It's a web-enabled carnivorous mutant. 2009-02-23 12:27:04 lbjay i made you a swedish library but lcsh.info broked it 2009-02-23 12:27:07 BigD gsf: ooo! i could have an iChud in my pocket! 2009-02-23 12:27:08 rsinger edsu: i mean, the follow your nose part is broken, sure 2009-02-23 12:27:09 anarchivist dchud in an one-piece aluminum encasement 2009-02-23 12:27:21 BigD lbjay++ 2009-02-23 12:27:26 edsu rsinger: unless he cached the data, he lost the english alt labels for example 2009-02-23 12:27:29 jbrinley @ana dchud in an one-piece aluminum encasement 2009-02-23 12:27:30 zoia jbrinley: Include up inhumane demoniac 2009-02-23 12:27:32 JodiS crawl parsing http://jodischneider.com/#me still doesn't find me :( 2009-02-23 12:27:43 edsu rsinger: and links to other lcsh broader/narrower/related terms 2009-02-23 12:27:52 bess JodiS: do you need to reference an actual file? 2009-02-23 12:27:55 rsinger edsu: sure, i get that 2009-02-23 12:28:06 anarchivist JodiS: you're not asserting that you know anyone 2009-02-23 12:28:21 robcaSSon JodiS++ # plausible deniability 2009-02-23 12:28:23 JodiS anarchivist: so? crawl finds me, just doesn't parse 2009-02-23 12:28:26 BigD JodiS hates us 2009-02-23 12:28:28 wickr JodiS: it doesn't find that you're an attendee 2009-02-23 12:28:31 JodiS JodiS is LAZY 2009-02-23 12:28:35 rsinger edsu: but this is a problem of scale, right? 2009-02-23 12:28:49 lbjay lbjay says it "bay-zer" 2009-02-23 12:28:55 MrDys dchud++ 2009-02-23 12:28:57 edsu rsinger: not sure 2009-02-23 12:29:09 edsu dchud++ # this is really good 2009-02-23 12:29:19 rsinger edsu: if there were 1000 users of lcsh.info, the data could probably live without the original via the inferences 2009-02-23 12:29:43 lbjay makes me think of package mirrors 2009-02-23 12:29:56 rsinger it's like LOCKSS -- or, rather, how LOCKSS was originally intended before everybody thought "me first" 2009-02-23 12:30:19 gsf lbjay: that could be a good model to emulate 2009-02-23 12:30:25 akorphan This works until a critical data source decides that it owns all the user-contributed data it contains. 2009-02-23 12:30:29 robcaSSon lbjay++ # really just the "O" of LOD 2009-02-23 12:30:33 akorphan I can think of a certain Ohio-based nonprofit.... 2009-02-23 12:30:41 rsinger akorphan: if only there was an example to draw on for that 2009-02-23 12:30:50 akorphan If only. 2009-02-23 12:31:06 lbjay gsf: seems hackable even 2009-02-23 12:31:29 BillDueber JodiS: Do you think your "swc::atteneeAt" needs an rdf:resource instead of an href? 2009-02-23 12:31:41 MrDys darrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrchives 2009-02-23 12:31:43 BillDueber BillDueber is talking out of his ass, and doesn't actually know anything about anything. 2009-02-23 12:32:06 lbjay lod-get load dbpedia 2009-02-23 12:32:12 edsu so it's ok to give out 3 books using http://inkdroid.org/c4l2009/attendees 2009-02-23 12:32:31 JodiS BillDueber++ #I'll bet that's it. I'm blind :) 2009-02-23 12:32:34 gsf edsu: do it 2009-02-23 12:32:49 wtd edsu: Go for it. 2009-02-23 12:33:04 akorphan i still don't show up. 2009-02-23 12:33:06 akorphan woe am i. 2009-02-23 12:33:09 dbs lbjay: surely you meant the swedish library was borked borked borked borked? 2009-02-23 12:33:10 bess darn it, my foaf disappeard from the attendees list again. :( 2009-02-23 12:33:11 robcaSSon anyone got the google map url handy? 2009-02-23 12:33:16 edsu akorphan: :( 2009-02-23 12:33:17 lbjay dbs++ 2009-02-23 12:33:25 robcaSSon dbs++ 2009-02-23 12:33:33 lbjay edsu: maybe just 2 books? 2009-02-23 12:33:35 BigD where's lunch? 2009-02-23 12:33:39 wickr robcaSSon: http://maps.google.com/maps/ms?ie=UTF8&hl=en&msa=0&msid=107701218656997471821.00046117cc493635eebc1&ll=41.825572,-71.390877&spn=0.090438,0.152092&z=13 2009-02-23 12:33:44 robcaSSon wickr++ 2009-02-23 12:33:48 edsu lbjay: k 2009-02-23 12:34:03 robcaSSon dchud is caching my lunch 2009-02-23 12:34:09 anarchivist robcaSSon++ 2009-02-23 12:34:17 edsu bess, akorphan will try to fix for giveaway in afternoon 2009-02-23 12:34:30 edsu if you win i'll get the books to you 2009-02-23 12:34:37 lbjay robcaSSon: since you're sick aren't you just going to proxy it anyway? 2009-02-23 12:34:50 mjg_ we have talked about having "foaf floaters" to trouble-shoot these issues in the PM session 2009-02-23 12:34:50 robcaSSon lbjay++ 2009-02-23 12:34:52 dlovins dlovins wishes he'd take down the "let's eat!" slide. 2009-02-23 12:34:59 edsu heheh 2009-02-23 12:35:01 bess edsu++ # for all of this, thank you 2009-02-23 12:35:14 lbjay edsu++ # the man! 2009-02-23 12:35:16 wtd edsu++ 2009-02-23 12:35:16 edsu edsu stomach rumbles 2009-02-23 12:35:22 akorphan mmm, connective tissue. 2009-02-23 12:35:26 jbrinley it's selected by the people that made the links in the first place 2009-02-23 12:35:29 gsf dlovins: agreed 2009-02-23 12:35:35 anarchivist anarchivist wants pig parts for lunch 2009-02-23 12:35:35 akorphan soft-tendon pho ftw 2009-02-23 12:35:51 jbrinley dchud has a very elitist definition of "selected" 2009-02-23 12:35:52 bess bess is craving pho all of a sudden. 2009-02-23 12:35:52 mjg_ mjg_ will eat everything but the squeal. 2009-02-23 12:35:55 edsu is there pho nearby? 2009-02-23 12:36:03 akorphan akorphan thinks that O-Cha on Wickenden does pho 2009-02-23 12:36:06 BigD akorphan: i love pho, but haven't been brave enuf to try tendon or tripe 2009-02-23 12:36:13 fak3r tripe-- 2009-02-23 12:36:21 akorphan It's actually a mostly Thai place, but they do a bunch of soups 2009-02-23 12:36:24 jbrinley @dict tripe 2009-02-23 12:36:25 zoia jbrinley: wn, gcide, and moby-thes responded: wn: tripe n 1: lining of the stomach of a ruminant (especially a bovine) used as food 2: nonsensical talk or writing [syn: {folderol}, {rubbish}, {trumpery}, {trash}, {wish-wash}, {applesauce}, {codswallop}]; gcide: Tripe \Tripe\, n. [OE. tripe, F. tripe; of uncertain origin; cf. Sp. & Pg. tripa, It. trippa, OD. tripe, W. tripa, Armor. stripen.] 1. The large stomach of (3 more messages) 2009-02-23 12:36:30 cazzerson tripe++ 2009-02-23 12:36:39 anarchivist tripe++ 2009-02-23 12:36:42 cazzerson had menudo for the first time the other day 2009-02-23 12:36:54 akorphan I just can't do it 2009-02-23 12:36:56 jbrinley @ana lining of the stomach of a ruminant 2009-02-23 12:36:56 robcaSSon robcaSSon won't eat menudo until he's hungover 2009-02-23 12:36:57 akorphan organ meat-- 2009-02-23 12:36:58 wtd dchud++ # for socks and sandals 2009-02-23 12:36:58 zoia jbrinley: Homier, nonmagical hot stuff 2009-02-23 12:37:03 anarchivist organs++ 2009-02-23 12:37:03 mjg_ livin' la vida pho-ca 2009-02-23 12:37:09 anarchivist mjg_++ 2009-02-23 12:37:15 dlovins dlovins is dreaming of Larb 2009-02-23 12:37:21 fak3r books, books! 2009-02-23 12:37:24 bess dchud: the caching of linked data is something we've been talking about with solrmarc, and Bob Haschart, who is actually going to be building that in the next month or so, is going to come find you to talk about this some more. It's something we're going to do, and we'd like to do it with other people as much as possible. 2009-02-23 12:37:24 edsu oh hai i is edsu 2009-02-23 12:37:34 robcaSSon echud++ 2009-02-23 12:37:43 BigD edsu: pwnd! 2009-02-23 12:37:49 fak3r bess: dchud: I'd like to be in on that 2009-02-23 12:37:58 wtd dchudsu. 2009-02-23 12:38:09 gsf edsud 2009-02-23 12:38:15 JodiS edsu: is it taking 38 minutes to do a crawl now? 2009-02-23 12:38:20 rsinger "Fallen off the Graph" 2009-02-23 12:38:32 mbklein I've given up my Feed Aggregator in favor of a Feed Aggravator. 2009-02-23 12:39:14 BigD can we leave our stuff in the room? 2009-02-23 12:39:15 jtgorman_ when I found out what the food menudo was the bad name made so much more sense ;) 2009-02-23 12:39:20 mjg_ mjg_ wants a Food Aggregator 2009-02-23 12:39:21 fak3r BigD: my ? too 2009-02-23 12:40:32 gsf mjg_: so close, so far 2009-02-23 12:40:39 mjg_ :(~~~~~ 2009-02-23 12:40:45 mjg_ (crying and drooling) 2009-02-23 12:41:11 akorphan HONGRY 2009-02-23 12:41:18 mbklein mjg_: So (normal(mjg) + crying)? 2009-02-23 12:41:19 wtd Food! 2009-02-23 12:41:26 bess GIS data up for grabs at the back of the room! 2009-02-23 12:41:30 bess come and get it! 2009-02-23 12:41:34 bess jbrinley: I have DVD for you 2009-02-23 12:41:34 mjg_ mjg_ snorts 2009-02-23 12:41:49 jbrinley bess++ 2009-02-23 12:42:32 jtgorman_ jtgorman_ wonders why today seems to be moving so painfully slow 2009-02-23 12:45:25 jtgorman_ jtgorman_ waves bye bye to the froggie people 2009-02-23 12:45:50 jtgorman_ ribbit, ribbit, mibbit my dear friends. May your food-gathering be successful. 2009-02-23 12:49:30 zoia New news from planetcode4lib: Digital Curation Centre: Repositories and preservation 2009-02-23 13:05:40 jtgorman_ jtgorman_ woners what will happen if he uses the same SQL Server generic odbc driver for two different versions of SQL Server 2009-02-23 13:05:48 jtgorman_ one good way to find out... 2009-02-23 13:12:03 jtgorman_ @dnd 2009-02-23 13:12:04 zoia jtgorman_: strength:13 dexterity:7 constitution:14 intelligence:8 wisdom:13 charisma:15 2009-02-23 13:15:27 jrochkind100 The Brown network blocks IRC, huh? BAH I SAY. I hate tecnology. 2009-02-23 13:19:40 jtgorman_ why....why.......do....I....feel......so...weak? 2009-02-23 13:20:06 jtgorman_ oh no..my great weakness....curses....caffeine-free.....curse..it 2009-02-23 13:20:18 jtgorman_ jrochkind100: so...the 8000 port trick doesn't work? 2009-02-23 13:21:24 jtgorman_ jtgorman_ is wondering a bit why people seem to be logging in via mibbit via 8000 2009-02-23 13:21:38 jtgorman_ if mibbit can get in via port 8000 I would think your clients could too 2009-02-23 13:21:52 jtgorman_ duh 2009-02-23 13:21:58 jtgorman_ sorry, I'm feeling stupid today 2009-02-23 13:22:11 jtgorman_ obviously port 80 is probably left open 2009-02-23 13:22:31 jtgorman_ jtgorman_ thought the Brown folks already had told them that irc had to be running 2009-02-23 13:22:47 jrochkind100 mibbit is just over the web so of course works. 2009-02-23 13:22:59 jrochkind100 Well, after today we'll be in the hotel only, right? So entirley different network. 2009-02-23 13:23:09 jtgorman_ jrochkind100: ah 2009-02-23 13:23:21 BLTnoTomato BLTnoTomato chirps mibbit mibbit mibbit 2009-02-23 13:23:34 jtgorman_ too bad chat.freenode.net doesn't make an alternative port of 80 2009-02-23 13:23:52 jtgorman_ probably would get a lot of junk traffic that way though 2009-02-23 13:37:15 royt feeling better after some lunch 2009-02-23 13:37:26 royt SRU and CQL here we come... 2009-02-23 13:39:25 BLTnoTomato BLTnoTomato feels worse after lunch... 2009-02-23 13:40:29 jtgorman_ oh...lunch 2009-02-23 13:40:38 jtgorman_ I knew I forgot to plan in something today 2009-02-23 13:45:29 royt BLTnoTomato: well, next time don't hold the tomato... 2009-02-23 13:47:15 jtgorman_ royt: actually, at this point it may be a better idea to hold the tomato and hold the lettuce 2009-02-23 13:47:46 jtgorman_ jtgorman_ hasn't checked to see if there's been any lettuce-related e coli breakouts, but if it can happen to spinach 2009-02-23 13:47:51 jtgorman_ ... 2009-02-23 13:50:18 BillDueber Hold the pickle. Hold the lettuce. Special orders don't upset us. 2009-02-23 13:55:42 jbrinley @quote random 2009-02-23 13:55:42 zoia jbrinley: Quote #1106: "< dchud> anarchivist: tell the truth, you were trolling the personals looking for somebody to match 041 strings with, weren't you?" (added by anarchivist at 02:14 PM, December 28, 2007) 2009-02-23 13:57:26 pmurray @excuse 2009-02-23 13:57:28 zoia pmurray: An error has occurred and has been logged. Please contact this bot's administrator for more information. 2009-02-23 13:57:34 anarchivist @quote random 2009-02-23 13:57:35 zoia anarchivist: Quote #1020: " I pledge allegiance to the prescription of the United States of Merck" (added by a user that is no longer registered at 12:36 PM, September 19, 2007) 2009-02-23 13:57:37 pmurray pmurray still needs to work on that. 2009-02-23 13:58:58 jtgorman_ pmurray: and you can't have an excuse for not getting it done till you do...oh, the irony! 2009-02-23 13:59:19 pmurray jtgorman++ # Yeah, that sums it up! 2009-02-23 14:04:38 jtgorman_ some folks must be getting through the RI network... 2009-02-23 14:04:39 jbrinley @irony random 2009-02-23 14:04:41 zoia jbrinley: please forward your request to the appropriate tribal leader 2009-02-23 14:08:23 MrDys @band 2009-02-23 14:08:24 zoia MrDys: Thunderstick and the Barcode Readers 2009-02-23 14:10:13 MrDys @band 2009-02-23 14:10:14 zoia MrDys: Camus Camus 2009-02-23 14:11:11 akorphan my power brick, or some component thereof, seems to be dead. 2009-02-23 14:11:30 jbrinley no_power-- 2009-02-23 14:12:14 akorphan terminating nonessential services......done. 2009-02-23 14:13:32 fak3r linked data2: eletric boogaloo 2009-02-23 14:14:33 pmurray Got awfully quiet here.... (As opposed to the 3000-or-so IRC messages this morning.) 2009-02-23 14:14:49 wickr pmurray: we went to lunch 2009-02-23 14:15:09 pmurray Ah -- that would explain it. 2009-02-23 14:15:10 jbrinley pmurray: we're coming back... 2009-02-23 14:15:23 akorphan so now will we get to uses beyond discoverability? 2009-02-23 14:19:14 MrDys @cyborg foaf 2009-02-23 14:19:16 zoia New news from planetcode4lib: del.icio.us: Learning - rdflib - End user documentation for learning how to use rdflib - Google Code || code4lib twitter mentions: erikhatcher: @ssiren yeah a very common misconception. It's like saying you need to be a C expert to run MySQL. Added to my #code4lib talk points! 2009-02-23 14:19:17 zoia MrDys: F.O.A.F.: Facsimile Optimized for Assassination and Fighting 2009-02-23 14:24:38 royt @hosts2010 2009-02-23 14:24:40 zoia royt: Asheville, NC [166]; Austin, TX [157]; Madison, WI [138]; Columbus, OH [102]; Bloomington, IN [72] 2009-02-23 14:24:47 royt royt weeps 2009-02-23 14:24:56 davidWalker come on Austin! 2009-02-23 14:25:05 wickr Asheville is rallying the troops...again... 2009-02-23 14:25:11 anarchivist asheville++ 2009-02-23 14:25:20 pmurray I guess Columbus is just not an interesting enough place to be... ;-( 2009-02-23 14:25:36 anarchivist pmurray: i would be fine with columbus 2009-02-23 14:25:39 davidWalker but apparently more interesting than Bloomington 2009-02-23 14:27:35 royt royt gives Austin a shove 2009-02-23 14:27:45 royt @hosts2010 2009-02-23 14:27:47 zoia royt: Asheville, NC [172]; Austin, TX [160]; Madison, WI [138]; Columbus, OH [102]; Bloomington, IN [72] 2009-02-23 14:27:55 royt ack! 2009-02-23 14:28:20 rsinger royt: well, you're not in /last/ place 2009-02-23 14:28:26 royt oh well, Asheville sounds nice too 2009-02-23 14:28:27 eby_ @karma not_ohio 2009-02-23 14:28:28 zoia eby_: not_ohio has neutral karma. 2009-02-23 14:28:47 royt rsinger: no, but our proposal was under the deadline ;-) 2009-02-23 14:29:01 anarchivist CHESTHAIRML! 2009-02-23 14:29:16 anarchivist CHESTHAIRDF 2009-02-23 14:29:37 BigD davidWalker: are you in Providence? 2009-02-23 14:29:38 akorphan chesthaiRNA 2009-02-23 14:29:51 davidWalker BigD: I'm sitting right behind you 2009-02-23 14:30:00 anarchivist someone play the crickets again 2009-02-23 14:30:05 anarchivist whoever it was before 2009-02-23 14:30:10 BigD yer so funny 2009-02-23 14:30:11 davidWalker no, just kidding, I'm in San Diego 2009-02-23 14:30:30 davidWalker You know, working the poor University 2009-02-23 14:30:31 BillDueber anarchivist: "Everyday, it's -a - getting closer, rolling faster than a roller coaster..." 2009-02-23 14:31:41 akorphan I wonder how long until the Gap RDAs its shirts. 2009-02-23 14:31:46 akorphan err, RDFs 2009-02-23 14:32:38 anarchivist *crickets* 2009-02-23 14:32:40 anarchivist *crickets* 2009-02-23 14:32:44 anarchivist *crickets* 2009-02-23 14:32:45 pmurray @dick [sandp eng] 2009-02-23 14:32:50 zoia pmurray: I don't mean to be a dick, but The S&P 500 INDEX is down 14.97 points (1.94%) to 755.08. 2009-02-23 14:32:53 fak3r anarchivist: I second the call for the cricket sound 2009-02-23 14:32:55 robcaSSon anyone want to look at my foaf? http://foam.lib.muohio.edu/foaf.rdf#me 2009-02-23 14:33:12 BillDueber robcaSSon: I bet you say that to all the girls. 2009-02-23 14:33:13 anarchivist robcaSSon: assert that you know me 2009-02-23 14:33:14 robcaSSon @mfoaf anarchivist 2009-02-23 14:33:15 zoia robcaSSon: sure thing - right after I finish dropping off this replacement keyboard and spare barcode scanner, mmmkay? 2009-02-23 14:33:16 BigD mpark: you won a book! 2009-02-23 14:33:17 MrDys boo. asheville doesn't have an amtrak station 2009-02-23 14:33:22 BigD too bad you can't read 2009-02-23 14:33:37 anarchivist http://thesecretmirror.com/foaf.xml#matienzo 2009-02-23 14:33:40 fak3r mpark: yeah man, where are you? fedora meeting? 2009-02-23 14:34:08 mpark just looks good on the shelf 2009-02-23 14:34:15 mpark fedora 2009-02-23 14:34:15 wickr robcaSSon: http://foaf.qdos.com/validator/uri?URI=http%3A%2F%2Ffoam.lib.muohio.edu%2Ffoaf.rdf%23me&PARSE=Parse+URI%3A+ 2009-02-23 14:34:21 mpark very good 2009-02-23 14:34:28 pmurray robcaSSon: Looks fine: http://foaf-visualizer.org/?uri=http://foam.lib.muohio.edu/foaf.rdf&hash=me 2009-02-23 14:34:52 BillDueber robcaSSon: BillDueber now knows robcaSSon 2009-02-23 14:35:01 fak3r mpark: how's it going? Is dan giving basic overview, or ? 2009-02-23 14:35:02 pmurray Whoops -- maybe not. 2009-02-23 14:35:38 BigD http://www.declan.net/foaf.rdf there's mine 2009-02-23 14:35:55 mpark fak3r: mostly but some small details that help. plus i picked his brain on the shuttle over 2009-02-23 14:36:03 BigD it barfs a little on the validator, but it got me on edsu's list 2009-02-23 14:36:11 fak3r cool, I need to meet him too, have a few ? 2009-02-23 14:36:34 mpark he said he'd be available offline 2009-02-23 14:37:52 jbrinley jbrinley knows robcaSSon and BigD 2009-02-23 14:37:58 mpark BigD: take care of my book 2009-02-23 14:38:18 anarchivist zzz 2009-02-23 14:38:50 mbklein mbklein knows robcaSSon 2009-02-23 14:39:05 anarchivist anarchivist does too 2009-02-23 14:39:08 robcaSSon robcaSSon knows he keeps screwing up his foaf 2009-02-23 14:39:15 anarchivist gross 2009-02-23 14:39:24 robcaSSon don't knock it till you try it 2009-02-23 14:39:49 danbri wheres the aggregate / table of contents link again, sorry i lost it... 2009-02-23 14:39:54 danbri for all the foafs 2009-02-23 14:40:05 wickr robcaSSon: you don't need the long form of if you don't want 2009-02-23 14:40:09 jbrinley danbri: http://inkdroid.org/c4l2009/attendees 2009-02-23 14:40:23 mbklein mbklein knows BigD, but apparently is not known to him. 2009-02-23 14:41:02 charper robcaSSon: you've got an open tag wrapped around you. 2009-02-23 14:41:12 pmurray pmurray knows BigD and robcaSSon, in the FOAF sense (http://dltj.org/foaf/foaf.rdf#me) 2009-02-23 14:41:14 charper close it and you should be good. 2009-02-23 14:41:22 charper hahahaah - random embedded emoticon... 2009-02-23 14:41:37 akorphan yay, my foaf finally validated. 2009-02-23 14:42:16 danbri thanks jbrinley :) 2009-02-23 14:42:37 anarchivist jdatema knows the first rule of code4ib: bring your own dongle 2009-02-23 14:42:51 akorphan dongle sharing spreads disease! 2009-02-23 14:42:56 anarchivist akorphan++ 2009-02-23 14:43:04 robcaSSon wickr++ charper++ 2009-02-23 14:43:27 anarchivist drupalicious 2009-02-23 14:43:43 anarchivist i'm so sleepy but i'm too scared to have any more caffeine 2009-02-23 14:44:18 akorphan I've got the lunch snoozies. 2009-02-23 14:44:25 mbklein mpark: Patrick's been trying to get the two of us introduced. I want to show you my reskinning/repurposing (aka ripoff) of your XForms MODS stuff. 2009-02-23 14:44:59 mbklein mbklein read the title slide as "Toward Shamelessness with XML" 2009-02-23 14:45:01 mpark mbklein: you read my mind 2009-02-23 14:45:15 BigD akorphan: me2 2009-02-23 14:45:38 dchud i wrote that in early 1998 actually. it's a haworth journal, which took a year to publish to print. :( 2009-02-23 14:46:35 akorphan So is Drupal officially pronounced Droople? 2009-02-23 14:46:46 akorphan I always want to make it sound like it rhymes with a drag queen. 2009-02-23 14:46:49 mbklein 1) zoia needs a FOAF. 2) zoia needs a plugin that will let me register my URI, so I can then ask @knows mbklein and @knownby mbklein and get answers. 2009-02-23 14:46:55 mbklein Who wants to hack that with me? 2009-02-23 14:47:14 jbrinley mbklein++ 2009-02-23 14:47:39 mbklein jbrinley: Are you volunteering? :) 2009-02-23 14:47:46 jbrinley mbklein: sure, why not? 2009-02-23 14:47:51 mbklein Excellent. 2009-02-23 14:47:57 wickr mbklein: I think one of edsu's plugins got halfway there, querying the foaf or at least the attendee data 2009-02-23 14:48:01 edsu mbklein: would be a good thing to hack on 2009-02-23 14:48:02 jbrinley mbklein: what's zoia's URI? 2009-02-23 14:48:03 zoia New news from planetcode4lib: Spalding, Tim (Thingology): Classify your heart out 2009-02-23 14:48:34 jbrinley http://code4lib.org/id/zoia 2009-02-23 14:48:49 mbklein jbrinley: It should probably be hosted at breaksalot.org, since that's where the svn repository is. 2009-02-23 14:49:13 anarchivist drupal++ 2009-02-23 14:49:14 wickr well, it runs on rc98.net 2009-02-23 14:49:14 jbrinley who owns breaksalot.org? is that jaf? 2009-02-23 14:49:17 wickr gsf 2009-02-23 14:49:24 mbklein jbrinley: that's good, too, assuming we can layer RDFa into the wiki. 2009-02-23 14:49:25 jbrinley ah 2009-02-23 14:49:40 mbklein You got the "f" right at least. 2009-02-23 14:49:53 jbrinley mbklein: I think we can put rdfa into code4lib drupal 2009-02-23 14:50:10 jbrinley mbklein: but not sure if I can make pages or aliases 2009-02-23 14:50:14 wickr jbrinley: I think anarchivist was having issues with it 2009-02-23 14:50:19 wickr plus our drupal is currently very old 2009-02-23 14:50:23 wickr you're welcome to try though 2009-02-23 14:50:34 jbrinley wickr++ 2009-02-23 14:50:39 anarchivist wickr: not so much rdfa, but the rdf modules in terms of publishing a simple foaf profile 2009-02-23 14:50:47 wickr ah 2009-02-23 14:51:48 royt ack! i keep getting dropped off the attendees crawl 2009-02-23 14:52:05 mbklein It would be really nice to do both projects, and have zoia's FOAF dynamically generate the tags containing the URIs of those who have made themselves known to the plugin. 2009-02-23 14:52:08 rsinger so, uh.. what are we doing? 2009-02-23 14:52:16 BigD mbklein: yer in my foaf... 2009-02-23 14:52:20 anarchivist rsinger: lead the way my friend 2009-02-23 14:52:25 wickr mbklein: zoia already has people registered, would need another field for URI/foaf though 2009-02-23 14:52:36 jbrinley ok, how's this RDFa thing work? 2009-02-23 14:52:46 anarchivist i'd be up for start breaking out into groups 2009-02-23 14:52:49 rsinger anarchivist: i was planning on following more than leading 2009-02-23 14:52:51 mbklein wickr: Yeah, only those who have made their URIs known would actually be n 2009-02-23 14:52:58 anarchivist rsinger: whatever man, you're the champion 2009-02-23 14:53:04 mbklein rsinger: karaoke? 2009-02-23 14:53:12 rsinger but i could talk a bit about rdfa, i suppose 2009-02-23 14:53:15 rsinger not that i know much 2009-02-23 14:53:18 scolford__ karaoke++ 2009-02-23 14:53:50 fak3r anyone want to figure out what we can do with rdf - how sites could pub our FOAFs for example? 2009-02-23 14:53:55 jbrinley rsinger: tell us enought that we can make a zoia foaf page with it 2009-02-23 14:54:00 anarchivist charper: i'm up for talkin' about authorities 2009-02-23 14:54:23 anarchivist dchud: i'm up for getting an authority break out group at some point 2009-02-23 14:55:30 fak3r dchud: I'd like to talk more about caching shared data + distruting content - I'm all for git, like that model 2009-02-23 14:55:39 wickr jbrinley, mbklein: if you want eventually a dynamic foaf for zoia, you'd probably need it on one server, meaning I'm not sure zoia/rc98.net could write to code4lib.org 2009-02-23 14:55:40 dchud anarchivist: cool 2009-02-23 14:55:46 iand iand wondering if room is not conducive to unconference activities... we're all facing front 2009-02-23 14:55:49 anarchivist hg++ # :) 2009-02-23 14:55:53 anarchivist iand: yeah 2009-02-23 14:55:59 anarchivist iand: that's what im thinking 2009-02-23 14:56:02 robcaSSon robcaSSon is ready to hit the pub 2009-02-23 14:56:05 rsinger so i take that as no interest in rdfa? 2009-02-23 14:56:06 jbrinley wickr: oh, good point 2009-02-23 14:56:07 anarchivist iand: plus post-lunch torpor 2009-02-23 14:56:13 jbrinley rsinger: I'm interested 2009-02-23 14:56:14 akorphan mmm, torpor. 2009-02-23 14:56:14 iand yep :) 2009-02-23 14:56:32 iand torpor++ 2009-02-23 14:56:41 MrDys @cyborg torpor 2009-02-23 14:56:43 zoia MrDys: T.O.R.P.O.R.: Technician Optimized for Rational Peacekeeping and Online Repair 2009-02-23 14:56:46 akorphan I fancy a good curry. 2009-02-23 14:56:57 jbrinley rsinger: do you want to take a group into a corner? 2009-02-23 14:56:58 akorphan @cyborg zoia 2009-02-23 14:56:58 robcaSSon @dict torpor 2009-02-23 14:57:00 zoia robcaSSon: wn, gcide, and moby-thes responded: wn: torpor n 1: a state of motor and mental inactivity with a partial suspension of sensibility; "he fell into a deep torpor" [syn: {torpidity}] 2: inactivity resulting from torpidity and lack of vigor or energy [syn: {listlessness}, {torpidity}, {torpidness}]; gcide: Torpor \Tor"por\, n. [L., from torpere, to be torpid.] [1913 Webster] 1. Loss of motion, or of the motion; (5 more messages) 2009-02-23 14:57:01 zoia akorphan: Z.O.I.A.: Zealous Observation and Infiltration Android 2009-02-23 14:57:21 anarchivist NO DONGLE SHARING 2009-02-23 14:58:19 robcaSSon anarchivist: your dongle is in my foaf 2009-02-23 14:58:26 jbrinley note to all: foaf:knows != friend 2009-02-23 14:58:28 akorphan Your foaf is in my dongle! 2009-02-23 14:58:48 wickr_ mbklein: also http://times.usefulinc.com/2003/08/18-foafbot 2009-02-23 14:58:54 akorphan I'm not really sure what's going on, but everyone is quiet.... 2009-02-23 14:59:04 pmurray I thought in-person meetings were all about dongle sharing... 2009-02-23 14:59:18 fak3r damn macs 2009-02-23 14:59:24 pmurray I mean, it just isn't the same as cyber-dongle-sharing 2009-02-23 14:59:40 fak3r akorphan: mjg said it'd be looser this afternoon, but... 2009-02-23 15:00:01 akorphan the ongle of the dongle is inversely proportional.... 2009-02-23 15:00:36 jbrinley as an attendee here, what I could use is some discrete options 2009-02-23 15:00:40 anarchivist remote dongle framework 2009-02-23 15:00:54 akorphan jbrinley: as opposed to continuous? 2009-02-23 15:00:55 jbrinley tell me "Go to point A for activity X, B for Y, or C for Z 2009-02-23 15:01:16 jbrinley akorphan: as opposed to amorphous, unspecified options 2009-02-23 15:01:20 mbklein_ What's the ghost command again? 2009-02-23 15:01:33 dbs /msg nickserv ghost mbklein password 2009-02-23 15:01:34 jbrinley or a book raffle, to get everyone focused again 2009-02-23 15:01:41 anarchivist jbrinley: someone needs to just stand up and start herding 2009-02-23 15:01:46 fak3r cricket sound to break the ice? 2009-02-23 15:01:50 jbrinley anarchivist: exactly 2009-02-23 15:01:53 anarchivist *crickets* 2009-02-23 15:01:56 jbrinley who's running this show? 2009-02-23 15:02:03 anarchivist no one apparently :) 2009-02-23 15:02:11 pmurray jbrinley: Jay Jordan 2009-02-23 15:02:17 akorphan it's nice not to have to think for a bit 2009-02-23 15:02:27 mbklein mbklein hates wearing underscores 2009-02-23 15:02:34 akorphan must... resist... postprandial... torpor! 2009-02-23 15:02:36 dbs mbklein: you could always work on a nice LOD version of EDI and get paid at the same time! 2009-02-23 15:02:36 mbklein dbs++ 2009-02-23 15:02:38 jbrinley I don't think anyone running things is paying attention to the channel 2009-02-23 15:02:51 fak3r jbrinley: hopefully not 2009-02-23 15:03:28 jtgorman_ jbrinley: who's speaking now? 2009-02-23 15:03:30 mbklein dbs: I'm having trouble finding the overlap in the domains. :) All things being equal, I'm gonna have to stick with the paying gig. :) 2009-02-23 15:03:40 jbrinley jtgorman_: no one 2009-02-23 15:03:52 BigD jtgorman_: about half of the audience 2009-02-23 15:04:02 jbrinley wickr: is it possible to set a URL on code4lib.org to point to a page on breaksalot/rc98? 2009-02-23 15:04:03 dbs crank it up: http://www.freesound.org/samplesViewSingle.php?id=420 2009-02-23 15:04:06 jtgorman_ BigD: oh, sounds like our staff meetings 2009-02-23 15:04:07 BigD while the guys onstage perform the dongle dance 2009-02-23 15:04:20 jbrinley wickr: so we can give zoia a code4lib.org URI, but put her foaf on breaksalot? 2009-02-23 15:04:36 mbklein "BigD is now known as BigDongle" 2009-02-23 15:04:45 fak3r there's teh crikets! nice! 2009-02-23 15:04:48 jtgorman_ oooohhhhh, zoia_in_foaf++ 2009-02-23 15:04:53 wickr jbrinley: yeah, I think so 2009-02-23 15:04:53 fak3r please post somewhere so we can all dnld it 2009-02-23 15:05:18 mbklein @seen gsf 2009-02-23 15:05:19 zoia mbklein: gsf was last seen in #code4lib 2 hours, 24 minutes, and 45 seconds ago: mjg_: so close, so far 2009-02-23 15:05:20 jtgorman_ first step froward for autonomous computerized intelligences 2009-02-23 15:05:30 jbrinley crickets++ 2009-02-23 15:05:43 dchud ok enough with the crickets :) 2009-02-23 15:05:45 gsf mbklein: i'm here 2009-02-23 15:05:46 MrDys what a buncha maroons 2009-02-23 15:05:47 jbrinley where's_the_plus_sign?++ 2009-02-23 15:05:52 mbklein passive_aggressive_snark++ 2009-02-23 15:05:54 akorphan akorphan is waiting to get his foaf crawled. 2009-02-23 15:05:58 akorphan ... that sounds dirty. 2009-02-23 15:06:01 jtgorman_ jtgorman_ pictures someone rigging a projector that points to the ceiling so that th epresenter can see the channel chatter 2009-02-23 15:06:05 BigD akorphan: aw yeah 2009-02-23 15:06:10 jbrinley gsf: we want to foaf up zoia 2009-02-23 15:06:11 gsf mbklein: thinking about good uri for zoia 2009-02-23 15:06:24 cschx hey, anyone have experience using the various RDF packages for Ruby and want to recommend one? 2009-02-23 15:06:32 fak3r soundfx, damn nice 2009-02-23 15:06:38 jbrinley gsf, mbklein: I think code4lib.org/id/zoia should redirect to a foaf on breaksalot 2009-02-23 15:06:50 fak3r I want to work with Drupal/RDF stuff, installing Neologism now if anyone else wants to breakout 2009-02-23 15:07:03 akorphan it'd be nice if the crawler page printed the time of completion of the last crawl. 2009-02-23 15:07:21 danbri fak3r, you might also look at the ARC toolkit, nice PHP RDF stuff, SPARQL etc... though i don't know if anyone has integrated it with Drupal yet 2009-02-23 15:07:24 wickr akorphan: submit a patch! :) 2009-02-23 15:07:31 gsf jbrinley: do we have access to do that redirect at code4lib.org? 2009-02-23 15:07:39 wickr gsf: yeah, I can do it 2009-02-23 15:07:39 jtgorman_ jtgorman_ tries to find a link to one of the glasses w/ builtin in display but fails 2009-02-23 15:07:39 jbrinley gsf: wickr said we could 2009-02-23 15:07:40 akorphan I'd have to learn another P language first. 2009-02-23 15:07:41 danbri re RDF/ruby, I recommend against my RubyRdf stuff (2001-3ish). out of date.... 2009-02-23 15:07:43 akorphan I think I'm at my quota. 2009-02-23 15:07:48 mbklein gsf: Can you make a nicely-formed URI that will actually pull from the svn repository, so the FOAF can live within the plugin code? (For easy committer access) 2009-02-23 15:07:49 danbri not sure what best alternative is these days tho 2009-02-23 15:07:49 gsf ok 2009-02-23 15:08:01 anarchivist fak3r: might be up for that 2009-02-23 15:08:12 royt @hosts2010 2009-02-23 15:08:13 wickr but I'm unsure exactly how the redirect would work 2009-02-23 15:08:15 jtgorman_ deadlinks on medai.mit.edu lab makes me sad :( 2009-02-23 15:08:18 zoia royt: Asheville, NC [172]; Austin, TX [160]; Madison, WI [138]; Columbus, OH [102]; Bloomington, IN [72] 2009-02-23 15:08:24 anarchivist fak3r: i just ran up to the front of the room to talk to about the authorities stuff 2009-02-23 15:08:29 jtgorman_ ah well, play time is over, time to go back to work 2009-02-23 15:08:48 jbrinley what's zoia's plugin svn url, again? 2009-02-23 15:09:07 pmurray jbrinley: http://svn.breaksalot.org/supybot-plugins/ 2009-02-23 15:09:14 mbklein gsf: I don't know how long you've been following, but the idea is to combine zoia's FOAF with a plugin that will let us register our URIs and query relationships. zoia's FOAF would ideally be writable by the plugin to add elements on the fly as people register. 2009-02-23 15:09:19 jbrinley pmurray++ 2009-02-23 15:09:38 mbklein (Is zoia multi-threaded? Would locking be a problem?) 2009-02-23 15:09:51 gsf mbklein: right, and the foaf would be in subversion? 2009-02-23 15:10:11 dchud charper is holding court up here, we should give him the mic 2009-02-23 15:10:24 MrDys @sing beastie boys : pass the mic 2009-02-23 15:10:26 zoia True Feelings Are Shown From The Way That I Talk / And This Is Me, Y'All - I M.C., Y'All / My Name Is M.C.A. And I Still Do What I Please / And Now I'd Like To Introduce I'll Pass The Mic To D. For A Fist Full Of Truth 2009-02-23 15:10:28 mbklein gsf: Yeah. So we can upload the initial copy, but it can be altered by the plugin. Not sure how subversion would deal with that. 2009-02-23 15:10:29 BigD dchud: make it so 2009-02-23 15:10:31 anarchivist dchud: no, don't, it's nice having a breakout 2009-02-23 15:10:35 BigD i'm fading out... 2009-02-23 15:10:47 jbrinley gsf: can we make zoia commit her foaf when it updates? 2009-02-23 15:11:25 mbklein Someone give BigD an octo-shot espresso or something. 2009-02-23 15:11:39 gsf jbrinley: i don't think that would be recursive 2009-02-23 15:12:03 wickr gsf: maybe bypass subversion and just let hte plugin publish a static file? 2009-02-23 15:12:09 dchud BigD, anarchivist: it's like having one of you on each of my shoulders whispering in my ear 2009-02-23 15:12:15 mbklein scolford: Have you lodged a shower head complaint yet? Or do you want me to do it? 2009-02-23 15:12:16 gsf wickr: that would simplify things 2009-02-23 15:12:50 mbklein wickr / gsf: Sounds good. 2009-02-23 15:13:22 anarchivist BigD is the devil 2009-02-23 15:13:23 anarchivist obviously 2009-02-23 15:13:36 jtgorman_ mit: why? http://www.media.mit.edu/resenv/badge/? 2009-02-23 15:13:41 mbklein BorgD is the collective 2009-02-23 15:13:49 jbrinley mbklein: ok, made a folder plugins/FOAF for working on this 2009-02-23 15:13:53 mbklein mbklein is feeling a little punchy 2009-02-23 15:14:05 jtgorman_ mit: this might be fun....but I can't read your webpage without feeling like I want to rip out my eyeballs 2009-02-23 15:14:57 MrDys Conjunctive Junction 2009-02-23 15:15:02 fak3r sounds personal 2009-02-23 15:15:33 scolford mbklein: please be my guest. i'm stuck at Brown for the day. 2009-02-23 15:15:44 dchud quads! quints! octoassertions! 2009-02-23 15:16:22 gsf jbrinley, mbklein: working on initial /var/www/rc98.net/zoia.rdf on that machine 2009-02-23 15:16:42 jbrinley gsf++ 2009-02-23 15:16:44 mbklein gsf++ 2009-02-23 15:16:58 lbjay let's hope it parses better than ander's foaf file 2009-02-23 15:18:00 zoia New news from planetcode4lib: del.icio.us: code4lib2009 attendees || Chudnov, Dan: code4lib 2009 talk on caching and proxying linked data 2009-02-23 15:18:23 jbrinley jbrinley wishes he new something about writing plugins 2009-02-23 15:19:04 dchud jbrinley: hey i'm curious what you thought i said about selection that was elitist 2009-02-23 15:19:22 dchud i mean, i know i'm an elitist, i'm just curious if it was worse than i thought :) 2009-02-23 15:19:38 mbklein jbrinley: Where'd you go? I'll come to you. 2009-02-23 15:20:02 BigD anarchivist: is saddam 2009-02-23 15:20:05 jbrinley dchud: you were talking about how the cloud graph isn't selected, it's just stuff found on the web. but it is selected. it's selected by the people that made the connections in the first place. So it may not be selected by reference librarians, but it is selected. 2009-02-23 15:20:19 jbrinley mbklein: I'm front-right 2009-02-23 15:20:21 akorphan akorphan is VE-RY ANG-RY (huff, huff) at his AC adapter. 2009-02-23 15:20:28 dchud jbrinley: oh yeah that's definitely right 2009-02-23 15:20:41 lbjay pmurray: where are you? 2009-02-23 15:20:47 jbrinley dchud: I've no problem with elitism, but you should say that it's not selected by librarians, not that it's not selected. 2009-02-23 15:20:53 pmurray lbjay: Columbus, OH 2009-02-23 15:20:57 lbjay pmurray: oh 2009-02-23 15:20:58 dchud jbrinley: i come from a perspective of "can i run a library with this" ...dunno if that's elitist, but you're right that that's how i was judging it 2009-02-23 15:21:13 dchud good point :) 2009-02-23 15:21:27 BillDueber Is there still a page mapping irc nicks to real names somewhere on the code4lib site? 2009-02-23 15:21:35 pmurray lbjay: There are a couple of other people from OhioLINK there. Thomas Dowling and (I think) John Davison 2009-02-23 15:21:43 wickr BillDueber: yeah, off the irc page I think 2009-02-23 15:21:47 BillDueber BillDueber wants to be able to look at a nametag and know when the right hook is coming. 2009-02-23 15:21:53 lbjay pmurray: " ERROR - http://dltj.org/foaf/:79:8: Invalid property attribute" 2009-02-23 15:21:58 wickr BillDueber: not something that keeps getting updated though 2009-02-23 15:22:11 BigD BillDueber: I'm dchud 2009-02-23 15:22:13 pmurray lbjay++ # Thanks -- I'll take a look 2009-02-23 15:22:21 dchud BillDueber: I'm Batman 2009-02-23 15:22:32 wickr George Clooney Batman? 2009-02-23 15:22:34 lbjay pmurray: i'm monitoring the crawler to make sure some new folks get on 2009-02-23 15:22:40 BigD you can tell by his gravelly voice 2009-02-23 15:22:40 rsinger michael keaton 2009-02-23 15:22:57 akorphan I imagine I'm the only person at the conference who has "Orphan" as a substring of his badge. 2009-02-23 15:22:58 dchud Michael Keaton Batman with a little bit of Night Shift Michael Keaton 2009-02-23 15:22:59 BillDueber michael_keaton_batman++ # this was a guy who needed a suit to channel his psychosis 2009-02-23 15:22:59 BigD i'm christian bale 2009-02-23 15:23:04 BigD i can't work with you people 2009-02-23 15:23:14 anarchivist BigD++ 2009-02-23 15:23:27 MrDys BigD: say it in a gravelier voice 2009-02-23 15:23:41 BigD BigD eyeballs his growing email queue 2009-02-23 15:24:16 mbklein gsf: Depiction? http://www.peacebuttons.info/IMAGES/0316.1972_Zoia-Horn.jpg 2009-02-23 15:25:25 dchud i fear my lack of sleep is catching up with me quickly 2009-02-23 15:25:38 anarchivist i'm chuck bass! 2009-02-23 15:25:42 BigD me2... where can we score some coccaine? 2009-02-23 15:25:49 anarchivist BigD++ 2009-02-23 15:26:41 MrDys slut must mean something in swedish that it does not in english 2009-02-23 15:26:58 pmurray lbjay: I thought that bit was legal. Let me know if you see the error show up again. 2009-02-23 15:27:16 MrDys ah slut = 'end' auf swedish 2009-02-23 15:27:41 mbklein gsf: Can you easy_install rdflib onto breaksalot.org? Or is it already there? 2009-02-23 15:27:55 jtgorman_ jtgorman_ energy level is dropping 2009-02-23 15:29:11 gsf mbklein: python-rdflib is already installed 2009-02-23 15:29:22 mbklein gsf++ 2009-02-23 15:29:28 fak3r 2009-02-23 15:30:05 MrDys nej! nej! 2009-02-23 15:30:20 fak3r they're trying to hack the system! 2009-02-23 15:30:56 fak3r again, macs are the problem...wow 2009-02-23 15:31:01 jbrinley anybody wanting to learn/teach about rdflib, find /me and mbklein in the front-right corner 2009-02-23 15:31:07 jbrinley ^ edsu? 2009-02-23 15:31:08 gsf mbklein: http://rc98.net/img/zoia.jpg 2009-02-23 15:31:21 mbklein gsf fw 2009-02-23 15:31:25 mbklein s/fw/ftw/ 2009-02-23 15:31:32 BillDueber jbrinley: Including how to get a triplestore up and running without putting a gun in your mouth? 2009-02-23 15:31:53 dchud indemnified linked data 2009-02-23 15:32:30 robcaSSon "horton shoots a nazi" 2009-02-23 15:32:35 anarchivist robcaSSon++ 2009-02-23 15:32:40 fak3r width = 110% 2009-02-23 15:32:43 MrDys geisel_library's_architecture++ 2009-02-23 15:33:05 MrDys http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/f5/Geisel_library.jpg 2009-02-23 15:33:40 rsinger the whole series... "Dr. Seuss Goes to Washington" 2009-02-23 15:33:46 rsinger "On the Road to Whoville" 2009-02-23 15:33:53 gsf mbklein, jbrinley: zoia should have read and write on /var/www/rc98.net/zoia.rdf 2009-02-23 15:34:02 jbrinley gsf++ 2009-02-23 15:34:24 rsinger The Dirty Things 1-12 2009-02-23 15:34:56 MrDys it's like the picture is speaking to me!\ 2009-02-23 15:35:04 anarchivist MrDys++ 2009-02-23 15:35:06 jtgorman_ jtgorman_ makes a morose chuckle to himself as a student sends in an email asking why descriptions of the books are so short 2009-02-23 15:35:08 fak3r MrDys++ 2009-02-23 15:35:44 anarchivist @quote add i'd push my fuckin' grandma into solr 2009-02-23 15:35:46 zoia anarchivist: The operation succeeded. Quote #1715 added. 2009-02-23 15:36:12 rsinger Throw Grandma From the Distributed Faceting Index 2009-02-23 15:36:17 anarchivist aunty entity? 2009-02-23 15:36:19 MrDys rsinger++ 2009-02-23 15:36:24 anarchivist WHO RUN BARTERTOWN 2009-02-23 15:36:40 anarchivist LIFT EMBARGO 2009-02-23 15:36:49 rsinger anarchivist: smells like shit to me 2009-02-23 15:36:53 anarchivist rsinger++ 2009-02-23 15:37:09 anarchivist ah, beyond thunderdome. it's like 3+ movies in one. 2009-02-23 15:37:15 rsinger i pretend i'm master blaster when i put che on my shoulders 2009-02-23 15:37:32 akorphan %$#@%$ ctrl-w. 2009-02-23 15:37:38 anarchivist rsinger: the mind of child 2009-02-23 15:37:48 anarchivist CAPTAIN WALKAH! 2009-02-23 15:37:53 rsinger c'est moi, c'est moi, t'is i 2009-02-23 15:38:05 edsu rsinger: this is going well right? :) 2009-02-23 15:38:10 dchud dchud hums "master blaster" 2009-02-23 15:38:11 edsu rsinger: what were you worried about? 2009-02-23 15:38:27 edsu dchud: that was quiet 2009-02-23 15:38:29 rsinger edsu: is it? 2009-02-23 15:39:07 lbjay ladies & gentlemen, can i FOAF you? 2009-02-23 15:39:20 anarchivist mjg_: http://icanhascheezburger.files.wordpress.com/2009/02/funny-pictures-your-slippers-have-been-replaced-with-ferrets.jpg 2009-02-23 15:39:22 edsu lbjay++ 2009-02-23 15:39:24 dchud "look upon me! i'll show you the FOAF of the mind!" 2009-02-23 15:39:42 edsu anarchivist: you want to hack on that archival thesaurus? 2009-02-23 15:39:53 anarchivist edsu: yeah maybe 2009-02-23 15:40:04 anarchivist edsu: either that or pulling out and taking about authorities more 2009-02-23 15:40:06 danbri not this one? http://www.ukat.org.uk/downloads/data.php 2009-02-23 15:40:13 edsu epoz: interested in what pdf tools you used from python 2009-02-23 15:40:20 MrDys dchud: don't light the hotel hallways on fire 2009-02-23 15:40:34 dchud MrDys: thank goodness you got that :) 2009-02-23 15:40:40 anarchivist edsu: wickr already extracted some of the text just using acrobat pro 2009-02-23 15:40:44 lbjay dchud++ # barton fink ref 2009-02-23 15:40:53 dchud a twofer! 2009-02-23 15:41:04 dchud "he's a man! we exchanged PGP keys!" 2009-02-23 15:41:04 lbjay dchud: i needed MrDys's clue 2009-02-23 15:41:23 flyingzumwalt kicking the tires of Django/appengine on mac. running into strangeness. anybody interested in lending a hand? 2009-02-23 15:43:46 wickr danbri: http://www.archivists.org/publications/epubs/thesaurus.asp 2009-02-23 15:44:10 epoz edsu: http://www.unixuser.org/~euske/python/pdfminer/index.html 2009-02-23 15:44:18 gsf flyingzumwalt: are you in the linked data room? 2009-02-23 15:44:23 epoz for parsing and text extraction 2009-02-23 15:44:29 danbri "topical facets are academic affairs, administration, classes of persons, corporate culture, events, fields of study, history, infrastructure, sports, and student life" 2009-02-23 15:44:31 flyingzumwalt yep. front row center 2009-02-23 15:44:33 danbri nice, i'd like to see that one! 2009-02-23 15:44:39 MrDys which CMS did he just say that they went with? 2009-02-23 15:44:46 dchud i think i want to hack on some linked data with nodebox tonight. try to make some pictures of something. 2009-02-23 15:44:52 dchud dunno what yet 2009-02-23 15:45:02 wickr danbri: anarchivist's post: http://thesecretmirror.com/linked-data/structured-archival-thesauri 2009-02-23 15:45:18 danbri what's the rights situation? 2009-02-23 15:45:19 epoz edsu: and http://www.swftools.org/ for converting PDFs to SWF (this is the tech behind scribd.com BTW) 2009-02-23 15:45:31 danbri i like thesauri that don't vanish from the web best :) 2009-02-23 15:45:38 wickr danbri: ask anarchivist :) 2009-02-23 15:45:44 anarchivist danbri: SAA has the rights 2009-02-23 15:46:09 anarchivist danbri: i've been emailing the woman who edited the thesaurus and she loves the idea of publishing it in SKOS/whatever 2009-02-23 15:46:34 danbri that's great :) 2009-02-23 15:46:36 jtgorman_ jtgorman_ wishes he hadn't forgotten his headphones 2009-02-23 15:46:36 gsf flyingzumwalt: i'll make my way up to you 2009-02-23 15:46:44 danbri does she have a nicer form than pdf for you? 2009-02-23 15:47:26 anarchivist danbri: access database 2009-02-23 15:47:35 anarchivist danbri: but the PDFs are the most update version 2009-02-23 15:47:37 gsf flyingzumwalt: unless you want to move to the back of the room 2009-02-23 15:48:32 eikeon poof 2009-02-23 15:48:39 zoia New news from planetcode4lib: del.icio.us: rdflib 2.4 — rdflib v2.4.1 documentation || Engard, Nicole: NFAIS 2009: Digital Natives and Professional Searching: Improving the User Experience 2009-02-23 15:48:43 danbri cool! 2009-02-23 15:48:50 flyingzumwalt @gsf I'll slide back when this chat wraps up. 2009-02-23 15:48:52 zoia flyingzumwalt: HFS, shock g = humpty hump?!?!?!!@# 2009-02-23 15:48:59 danbri announce it to public-esw-thes@w3.org if you get it SKOS'd! 2009-02-23 15:49:42 eikeon Hmm... /me learns rdflib bits from zoia 2009-02-23 15:49:51 flyingzumwalt zoia: huh? 2009-02-23 15:49:52 zoia flyingzumwalt: maybe you ought to ask a professional 2009-02-23 15:50:00 wickr flyingzumwalt: don't use @ in here 2009-02-23 15:50:09 wickr flyingzumwalt: unless you want a zoia command 2009-02-23 15:50:48 robcaSSon solr++ 2009-02-23 15:50:55 fak3r solr ftw 2009-02-23 15:50:58 dchud that's really well said 2009-02-23 15:51:51 gsf BigD has a manager hat 2009-02-23 15:52:02 fak3r gsf++ 2009-02-23 15:52:10 anarchivist anarchivist imagines BigD wearing a sombrero 2009-02-23 15:53:15 MrDys what the f...twitter's hash tag search is acting funky 2009-02-23 15:53:25 epoz anarchivist: I have that thesaurus PDF as a html text file for ya. Can I dump it somewhere? 2009-02-23 15:53:44 dchud feels like something couchdbish might be a better fit for that 2009-02-23 15:53:48 dchud but what do i know 2009-02-23 15:53:50 edsu danbri: so ukat is already skos? 2009-02-23 15:53:54 anarchivist epoz: sure, you can email me 2009-02-23 15:54:00 anarchivist epoz: mark.matienzo@gmail.com 2009-02-23 15:54:03 anarchivist edsu: yeah 2009-02-23 15:54:22 flyingzumwalt dchud: ben's looking at couchdb specifically for that. 2009-02-23 15:54:27 danbri I think they made a SKOS version, and Alistair somehow improved it or made an alternate one 2009-02-23 15:54:42 danbri it is very general, covers all kinds of things lightly 2009-02-23 15:54:47 danbri except places 2009-02-23 15:54:54 danbri the rejections website is fun 2009-02-23 15:55:11 edsu epoz++ # for http://www.unixuser.org/~euske/python/pdfminer/index.html 2009-02-23 15:55:34 anarchivist edsu: http://www.ukat.org.uk/downloads/data.php 2009-02-23 15:55:54 lbjay Herbert's MESUR project is using allegrograph 2009-02-23 15:56:01 anarchivist mesur++ 2009-02-23 15:56:05 anarchivist hervert++ 2009-02-23 15:56:09 danbri this is great: http://www.ukat.org.uk/thesaurus/rejected.php 2009-02-23 15:56:33 danbri Rejected term: Young women's christian associations 2009-02-23 15:56:33 danbri Help. 2009-02-23 15:56:33 danbri Source: MRC/LCSH 2009-02-23 15:56:33 danbri Status: Rejected 2009-02-23 15:56:33 danbri Reasons for rejection 2009-02-23 15:56:34 danbri Corporate name 2009-02-23 15:56:36 edsu oh duh, didn't see the skos output on that page 2009-02-23 15:56:38 danbri i think that one's an error 2009-02-23 15:56:49 anarchivist Reasons for rejection 2009-02-23 15:56:49 anarchivist Proprietary software deemed too specific 2009-02-23 15:56:51 epoz anarchivist: I am being dense, in stead of mail, just see: http://tudlr.tudelft.nl/beeldbank/code4lib_linked_data_1.html 2009-02-23 15:56:51 danbri since the rejected term is an uncapitalized plural 2009-02-23 15:56:59 epoz you can wget it from there 2009-02-23 15:57:09 epoz and do some regex replace to strip the tags. 2009-02-23 15:57:41 jtgorman_ jtgorman_ tries to concentrate despite the three conversations going on around him and starts realizing why he might keep getting headaches 2009-02-23 15:57:45 lbjay :w 2009-02-23 15:58:08 lbjay :e my brain 2009-02-23 15:58:11 anarchivist epoz++ 2009-02-23 15:58:13 wickr anarchivist: looks like you can get the depth from the left: ###px CSS 2009-02-23 15:58:34 anarchivist wickr: my head just exploded 2009-02-23 15:58:42 danbri tempting to make the rejections into a SKOS thesaurus too. 2009-02-23 15:58:48 wickr epoz++ # none of hte text exports I could do would preserve the depth of the hierarchy 2009-02-23 15:59:08 edsu edsu wonders how the gis preconf is going 2009-02-23 15:59:20 anarchivist edsu: i was too lazy to go over there 2009-02-23 15:59:21 BLTnoTomato anyone know of a way to export mediawiki into drupal? 2009-02-23 15:59:35 robcaSSon edsu: i think they were having wifi issues on-campus to 2009-02-23 15:59:36 BLTnoTomato (sorry for the o/t question) 2009-02-23 16:00:01 wickr anarchivist: 1st level is 144, 2nd is 171, 3rd is 204 2009-02-23 16:00:12 wickr nasty regexes, but doable 2009-02-23 16:00:15 anarchivist wickr: awesome 2009-02-23 16:00:22 jtgorman_ robcaSSon: it would be interesting to see if code4lib actually has a noticable impact on network usage 2009-02-23 16:00:49 jtgorman_ BLTnoTomato: you really don't need to apologize for off topic questions as long as they're vaguely technical 2009-02-23 16:00:50 robcaSSon robcaSSon fires up rtorrent 2009-02-23 16:01:27 flyingzumwalt gsf - where are you sitting? 2009-02-23 16:02:08 BLTnoTomato BLTnoTomato now wonders how "technical" the question of "What am I doing wrong with my life and how can I improve it" is.... 2009-02-23 16:02:33 edsu did anyone work on the zoia plugin at all? 2009-02-23 16:02:52 wickr edsu: jbrinley and mbklein are hacking on it 2009-02-23 16:02:52 jtgorman_ BLTnoTomato: I wouldn't ask that question here....not because of the nature of it, but the quality of the response. 2009-02-23 16:03:06 jbrinley edsu: feel free to join us 2009-02-23 16:03:07 BLTnoTomato lol... np 2009-02-23 16:03:08 pmurray @sandp eng 2009-02-23 16:03:09 jbrinley edsu: front right 2009-02-23 16:03:11 gsf flyingzumwalt: next to iand 2009-02-23 16:03:13 zoia pmurray: An error has occurred and has been logged. Please contact this bot's administrator for more information. 2009-02-23 16:03:18 pmurray @dow eng 2009-02-23 16:03:21 BLTnoTomato back to the exporting of mediawiki into drupal then 2009-02-23 16:03:22 zoia pmurray: An error has occurred and has been logged. Please contact this bot's administrator for more information. 2009-02-23 16:03:22 jbrinley edsu: we could use any sparql expertise you have 2009-02-23 16:03:37 anarchivist BLTnoTomato: http://drupal.org/project/mediawiki 2009-02-23 16:04:35 BLTnoTomato thanks anarchivist, i'll take a look at that one again 2009-02-23 16:04:56 akorphan this is kind of the best afternoon session ever. 2009-02-23 16:05:55 epoz What I am trying to SKOSify, but not managing to focus on: http://www.library.tudelft.nl/ns/MODS-extension/subjects.xml 2009-02-23 16:06:13 epoz my head is too fuzzy :-( what else is new? 2009-02-23 16:06:25 akorphan I can't get my FOAF to get spidered. I blame jmcasden. 2009-02-23 16:06:45 wickr akorphan: what's your URI? 2009-02-23 16:07:04 akorphan http://www4.ncsu.edu/~akorphan/foaf.rdf#akorphan 2009-02-23 16:07:44 akorphan oh, I see an obvious typo now. 2009-02-23 16:07:56 akorphan I forgot to change all my #mes 2009-02-23 16:08:59 lbjay i hate when i forget i hate diet coke 2009-02-23 16:09:32 fak3r again, mac = problem 2009-02-23 16:09:42 anarchivist @quote add i have my dongle, i have everything 2009-02-23 16:09:42 zoia anarchivist: The operation succeeded. Quote #1716 added. 2009-02-23 16:09:42 gsf ross + dongle = problem 2009-02-23 16:10:05 fak3r ping 2009-02-23 16:10:10 gsf anarchivist++ 2009-02-23 16:10:23 fak3r just made his icon jump 2009-02-23 16:11:51 fak3r diff talis georgia_tech 2009-02-23 16:12:39 gsf from this angle ross looks a little like neil patrick harris 2009-02-23 16:12:46 anarchivist gsf++ 2009-02-23 16:12:48 fak3r gsf++ 2009-02-23 16:13:26 edsu eikeon: what does it mean if rdflib is spending a long time doing "2009-02-23 16:06:23,513 - rdflib.store.Sleepycat - DEBUG - sync" ? 2009-02-23 16:13:30 BigD MrDys: if you like Geisel's architecture, you might like this shot: http://www.flickr.com/photos/bigdpix/3249021571/in/set-72157613298015450/ 2009-02-23 16:13:32 fak3r he's not using wysiwyg - he's old school! 2009-02-23 16:13:44 mbklein edsu: We could actually use some sparql help over here if you've got a sec. 2009-02-23 16:13:52 MrDys BigD: spacey 2009-02-23 16:14:09 dbs Is "christian association" like "biblical knowing"? Hmm. "young women's christian associations" indeed. 2009-02-23 16:14:16 anarchivist dbs-- 2009-02-23 16:14:29 dbs well deserved, that. 2009-02-23 16:14:43 eikeon edsu: think that's when bdb is syncing data to disk 2009-02-23 16:14:47 edsu mbklein: where you at? 2009-02-23 16:15:01 jbrinley edsu: front right 2009-02-23 16:15:05 edsu eikeon: is it odd that it would take a long time? repeatedly? 2009-02-23 16:15:15 lbjay crap, i have to set up wsgi to run the attendees app now 2009-02-23 16:15:37 edsu lbjay: you can't run it anymore? 2009-02-23 16:15:44 eikeon Yeah. Wouldn't expect it to take long. Unless you have lots and lots of triples 2009-02-23 16:15:56 lbjay edsu: no, i get AttributeError: 'function' object has no attribute 'run' 2009-02-23 16:15:57 mbklein edsu: To your right. All the way to the wall. 2009-02-23 16:16:11 akorphan did inkdroid just die for anyone else? 2009-02-23 16:16:23 edsu lbjay: hmm might be able to change it a bit 2009-02-23 16:16:24 anarchivist meow meow meow meow dbpedia 2009-02-23 16:16:52 edsu ERRATA 2009-02-23 16:17:49 anarchivist akorphan: nope 2009-02-23 16:17:51 dchud is there a list of rdflib's supported store backends somewhere? 2009-02-23 16:17:52 mib_m39kamom can't seem to get on IRC proper... using mibbit (web based) as a workaround 2009-02-23 16:17:52 mib_m39kamom can't seem to get on IRC proper... using mibbit (web based) as a workaround 2009-02-23 16:18:06 anarchivist mib_m39kamom: have you tried port 8000? 2009-02-23 16:18:38 dchud dchud heads to source 2009-02-23 16:18:58 edsu lbjay: bzr pull, does it work now? 2009-02-23 16:19:15 MrDys why is roy_thong.jpg on rsinger's quick link bar 2009-02-23 16:19:25 jtgorman_ jtgorman_ wonders how he hasn't heard of uclassify or the LibraryThing contest that apparently ended a month ago 2009-02-23 16:19:27 wickr MrDys++ 2009-02-23 16:19:31 anarchivist MrDys++ 2009-02-23 16:19:38 anarchivist rsinger: NEVAR 4GET 2009-02-23 16:20:38 wickr @hosts2010 2009-02-23 16:20:40 zoia wickr: Asheville, NC [178]; Austin, TX [160]; Madison, WI [140]; Columbus, OH [102]; Bloomington, IN [72] 2009-02-23 16:21:07 anarchivist woo asheville 2009-02-23 16:21:31 gsf asheville++ 2009-02-23 16:21:33 wickr they must be holding campaign rallys 2009-02-23 16:21:35 lbjay edsu: it's running but not serving 2009-02-23 16:21:39 MrDys come on austin 2009-02-23 16:22:31 atz anarchivist: still get errors on 8000 2009-02-23 16:22:31 atz anarchivist: still get errors on 8000 2009-02-23 16:22:34 atz "Error Code: 400 Bad Request. The data is invalid" 2009-02-23 16:22:34 atz "Error Code: 400 Bad Request. The data is invalid" 2009-02-23 16:22:35 lbjay edsu: i am wsgignorant 2009-02-23 16:22:45 atz from the proxy, apparently 2009-02-23 16:22:45 atz from the proxy, apparently 2009-02-23 16:22:45 anarchivist atz: hmm weird, which server 2009-02-23 16:23:06 anarchivist atz: i'm using card.freenode.net:8000 2009-02-23 16:23:13 atz irc.freenode.net 2009-02-23 16:23:13 atz irc.freenode.net 2009-02-23 16:23:37 BigD who is pushing ashville? 2009-02-23 16:23:43 JodiS @hosts2009 2009-02-23 16:23:44 zoia JodiS: Brown University/Providence, Rhode Island [269]; Columbus, OH [225]; Southeast Florida [176]; Bahía Blanca, Argentina [105] 2009-02-23 16:23:49 JodiS @hosts2010 2009-02-23 16:23:50 zoia JodiS: Asheville, NC [178]; Austin, TX [160]; Madison, WI [140]; Columbus, OH [102]; Bloomington, IN [72] 2009-02-23 16:23:53 anarchivist BigD: @hosts2011 2009-02-23 16:23:54 dchud i can't get the crawl to run because i don't have a working backing store available 2009-02-23 16:24:01 anarchivist @hosts2011 2009-02-23 16:24:02 jbrinley iand: can you give us a hand? 2009-02-23 16:24:02 zoia anarchivist: Disco, Tennessee [72]; Aces of Diamonds, Florida [72]; Chicken, Alaska [60]; Hicksville, Ohio [53]; Plain City, Utah [50]; Buddha, Indiana [40]; Monkey's Elbow, Kentucky [14] 2009-02-23 16:24:08 jbrinley iand: front right? 2009-02-23 16:24:11 anarchivist @hosts2011 2009-02-23 16:24:12 zoia anarchivist: Magazine, Arkansas [100]; Muck City, Alabama [77]; Fifty-Six, Arkansas [3] 2009-02-23 16:24:27 akorphan @hosts2134 2009-02-23 16:24:28 zoia akorphan: i think there is an xslt for that 2009-02-23 16:24:57 rsinger er, ok -- now what? 2009-02-23 16:25:09 fak3r rsinger: cricket sounds? 2009-02-23 16:25:16 rsinger i heard em 2009-02-23 16:25:20 BigD is this study hall now? 2009-02-23 16:25:20 iand jbrinley: yep? shall I come over? 2009-02-23 16:25:21 jtgorman_ just skimming the scrollback but folks having issues with irc.freenode.net might want to try chat.freenode.net 2009-02-23 16:25:33 anarchivist rsinger: http://www.freesound.org/samplesViewSingle.php?id=420 2009-02-23 16:25:43 jbrinley iand: yes, please 2009-02-23 16:25:53 jbrinley iand: rdf/xml problem 2009-02-23 16:26:27 atz arachivist: same problem @card 2009-02-23 16:26:28 atz arachivist: same problem @card 2009-02-23 16:26:30 jtgorman_ I use that and get redirected to kubrick.freenode.net (64.161.254.20) 2009-02-23 16:26:34 anarchivist atz: weird 2009-02-23 16:26:44 MrDys @band 2009-02-23 16:26:44 zoia MrDys: Pragmatica 2009-02-23 16:26:49 jtgorman_ of course, I'm also not actually at the conference ;) 2009-02-23 16:26:54 lbjay edsu: n.m. it's the big-port-blocking network. 2009-02-23 16:26:58 wickr heh, BigD is appearing twice on http://inkdroid.org/c4l2009/attendees 2009-02-23 16:27:23 lbjay "How big is BigD?..." 2009-02-23 16:27:30 BigD i get 2 books! 2009-02-23 16:27:55 BigD i'm so big, i get nines instead of triples 2009-02-23 16:28:03 anarchivist BigD++ 2009-02-23 16:28:58 BigD someone used www.declan.net/foaf.rdf#dfl and others used declan.net/foaf.rdf#dfl 2009-02-23 16:29:05 BigD and my apache's mapping it 2009-02-23 16:29:35 jtgorman_ hah! 2009-02-23 16:29:54 rsinger huh, so now he get tens? 2009-02-23 16:30:11 fak3r ballot stuffing suspected 2009-02-23 16:30:51 wickr BigD: heh, I used the www version 2009-02-23 16:31:19 shoe is anybody using online presentation softwares for conference slides, like google docs? 2009-02-23 16:31:45 BigD hipsters don't use www 2009-02-23 16:31:50 BigD so... 2009-02-23 16:31:53 BigD where's dinner? 2009-02-23 16:32:04 akorphan Mi Guatemala 2009-02-23 16:32:05 BigD i've got a hankerin for the trinity brewhouse 2009-02-23 16:32:10 akorphan out on Allens Avenue. 2009-02-23 16:32:18 BigD akorphan: mexican food? 2009-02-23 16:32:29 akorphan err, Atwells 2009-02-23 16:32:34 wickr BigD: I want to say that that was copied from what you pasted in here 2009-02-23 16:32:34 atz BigD: word 2009-02-23 16:32:34 atz BigD: word 2009-02-23 16:32:43 akorphan BigD: Uhh...Guatemalan. 2009-02-23 16:32:47 fak3r I'm glad firefox keeps crashing on me 2009-02-23 16:33:27 cazzerson trinity is pretty good 2009-02-23 16:34:03 BigD meeting in the lobby at 5:30 to head over to Trinity Brewhouse 2009-02-23 16:34:04 akorphan cazzerson: If you want pubbish food, and you're a smidge richer than Trinity, I'd recommend Red Stripe. 2009-02-23 16:34:17 BigD i'd like a local good beer 2009-02-23 16:34:19 jtgorman_ jtgorman_ pictures a light lager called "son", a dark heavy smoky brew called "father" and a barleywine called "spirit" 2009-02-23 16:34:23 robcaSSon BigD++ 2009-02-23 16:34:46 dbs jtgorman++ 2009-02-23 16:36:03 rsinger akorphan: well, i guess not tonight, but i'd be all about the guatemalan place at some point 2009-02-23 16:36:21 BigD akorphan: i'd like to try that guat place too 2009-02-23 16:36:38 BigD but i've got logistical issues tonight 2009-02-23 16:36:41 rsinger the second best part of going to guatemala was the food 2009-02-23 16:36:54 atz jtgorman: or a phat boy, an O.E. and a Mickey's? That's more 3 aspects of the same thing.... 2009-02-23 16:36:55 atz jtgorman: or a phat boy, an O.E. and a Mickey's? That's more 3 aspects of the same thing.... 2009-02-23 16:37:26 fak3r atz: one more for a tripple.... 2009-02-23 16:38:41 flyingzumwalt I'm about to tinker with JRuby and Jena. Real RDF for Ruby FTW. Anyone want to join in? 2009-02-23 16:38:53 BigD rsinger: what was the first? 2009-02-23 16:39:10 BLTnoTomato has anyone seen The IT Crowd? 2009-02-23 16:39:19 jtgorman_ jtgorman_ supposes one could go the other way and have a beer named after each Ivy League school... 2009-02-23 16:39:22 BigD BLTnoTomato: are you from the past? 2009-02-23 16:39:46 BLTnoTomato bigd, i dont think so, why 2009-02-23 16:40:19 BigD BLTnoTomato: that's one of IT Crowd's catch phrases... 2009-02-23 16:40:37 BLTnoTomato oh, i just started watching it last week 2009-02-23 16:40:42 BLTnoTomato have not seen them all 2009-02-23 16:40:48 BigD http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/The_IT_Crowd 2009-02-23 16:41:23 BLTnoTomato "...Yeah, you do know how a button works, don't you? No, not on clothes." 2009-02-23 16:42:29 jtgorman_ BigD: why, why yes I am actually. I was actually brought into this time when my attempts at quantum manipulations went awry in ancient Atlantis. I was flung to the future and attempting to fit in with this far more future, yet more primitive, time 2009-02-23 16:42:35 jtgorman_ BigD: oh, you weren't talking to me 2009-02-23 16:43:54 BLTnoTomato anyone running libguides? 2009-02-23 16:45:31 wickr BLTnoTomato: yeah I think Johns Hopkins just launched with it, ask MrDys 2009-02-23 16:45:57 BLTnoTomato orly... hmmm 2009-02-23 16:47:50 zoia New news from planetcode4lib: del.icio.us: About | Science Collaboration Framework 2009-02-23 16:47:56 BigD jtgorman_: heh ;) 2009-02-23 16:50:20 BLTnoTomato i guess I'm confused- why libguides when there is drupal? 2009-02-23 16:51:14 BigD anyone in a session at Brown with Brad Westbrook? 2009-02-23 16:51:49 BigD he's scary looking; http://www.flickr.com/photos/bigdpix/3245245710/in/set-72157613203695719/ 2009-02-23 16:52:07 kgs had to come in on mibbit 2009-02-23 16:52:25 kgs did they conclude we were trouble? :) 2009-02-23 16:52:38 BigD kgs: what seminar are u in? 2009-02-23 16:52:45 kgs none, I'm in the hotel 2009-02-23 16:52:48 BigD ah 2009-02-23 16:53:11 kgs this morning was fine... I can see it now..."wow, this port is getting a lot of traffic!" "yeah block it!" 2009-02-23 16:53:48 kgs what seminar are you in bigd? 2009-02-23 16:56:25 Baroquem_ BLTnoTomato: We've got LibGuides *and* Drupal at Cornell: http://guides.library.cornell.edu 2009-02-23 16:56:31 Baroquem_ LibGuides came first, though. 2009-02-23 17:00:06 kgs eesh even mibbit is knocking me off 2009-02-23 17:01:19 ksclarke @hosts2010 2009-02-23 17:01:21 zoia ksclarke: Asheville, NC [178]; Austin, TX [160]; Madison, WI [140]; Columbus, OH [102]; Bloomington, IN [72] 2009-02-23 17:01:43 atz hah now i'm in irc 2009-02-23 17:01:49 atz odd 2009-02-23 17:02:25 kgs ksclarke looking good for asheville :) 2009-02-23 17:03:40 mbklein @known gsf 2009-02-23 17:03:41 zoia mbklein: gsf's URI is 2009-02-23 17:03:47 mbklein w00t! 2009-02-23 17:03:51 atz nice 2009-02-23 17:03:53 kgs @known kgs 2009-02-23 17:03:54 zoia kgs: An error has occurred and has been logged. Please contact this bot's administrator for more information. 2009-02-23 17:04:09 kgs hrrrmmmm 2009-02-23 17:04:15 mbklein kgs: Don't hammer the pre-alpha. :) 2009-02-23 17:04:30 kgs ;-) 2009-02-23 17:04:51 mbklein @reload FOAF 2009-02-23 17:04:55 zoia mbklein: The operation succeeded. 2009-02-23 17:04:58 mbklein @known kgs 2009-02-23 17:04:59 zoia mbklein: I don't know kgs's URI 2009-02-23 17:05:07 kgs huh! 2009-02-23 17:05:14 mbklein kgs: We'll get there. 2009-02-23 17:05:14 gsf @known gsf 2009-02-23 17:05:15 zoia gsf: gsf's URI is 2009-02-23 17:05:27 kgs where does it get the info? maybe i have it wrong 2009-02-23 17:05:32 mbklein She only knows gsf right now. We haven't implemented @know yet. 2009-02-23 17:05:36 jbrinley_ kgs: zoia has her own foaf 2009-02-23 17:05:40 kgs hah 2009-02-23 17:05:44 jbrinley_ http://rc98.net/zoia.rdf 2009-02-23 17:05:46 gsf kgs: http://rc98.net/zoia#me 2009-02-23 17:05:48 jtgorman_ @bartender kgs 2009-02-23 17:05:50 zoia zoia fills a pint glass with Pilsner Urqeull, and sends it sliding down the bar to kgs (http://beeradvocate.com/beer/profile/1/429/) 2009-02-23 17:06:04 jtgorman_ kgs: relax, have a commercial brew 2009-02-23 17:06:14 kgs jtgorman++ 2009-02-23 17:06:28 pmurray http://foaf-visualizer.org/?uri=http://rc98.net/zoia.rdf 2009-02-23 17:06:46 jtgorman_ atz: so how did you beat the network? 2009-02-23 17:07:01 kgs ah ok... now chatzilla works 2009-02-23 17:07:05 atz jtgorman_: um... i went away and talked to Jay for 15 minutes 2009-02-23 17:07:19 atz i think the security came down (perhaps at 5PM?) 2009-02-23 17:07:45 atz when i came back colloquy was on 5 channels.. 2009-02-23 17:09:16 ejk Made it to my room: anybody planning to hit a brewery tonight? 2009-02-23 17:09:56 anarchivist ejk: some people are planning on meeting up at 5:30 to go here: http://www.trinitybrewhouse.com/ 2009-02-23 17:10:54 atz speaking of.... i'm out! 2009-02-23 17:13:30 ejk anarchivist: looks great. Are people meeting in the lobby? 2009-02-23 17:13:40 anarchivist ejk: yes, i believe thats the plan 2009-02-23 17:15:12 ejk Cool, I'll try heading down around 5:25 and assaulting random people until I find the right group 2009-02-23 17:18:37 zoia New news from planetcode4lib: Engard, Nicole: NFAIS 2009: Miles Conrad Lecture 2009-02-23 17:23:37 jtgorman_ jtgorman_ heads home to walk the dog, cobble together dinner, make some travel plans, and hopefully relax a little bit 2009-02-23 17:23:51 lbjay some folks are waiting until 6:30 to head to the pub too 2009-02-23 17:24:09 lbjay so if you miss the 1st wave, meet in the lobby at 6:30 again 2009-02-23 17:26:43 anarchivist woo, blackberry irc 2009-02-23 17:28:45 anarchivist ugh I need coffee 2009-02-23 17:30:13 zoia :D 2009-02-23 17:31:23 kgs which pub? 2009-02-23 17:31:59 kgs (currently helping mrs kgs configure her blog) 2009-02-23 17:32:11 lbjay kgs: http://www.trinitybrewhouse.com/ 2009-02-23 17:32:31 kgs oh -- was there last night :) but could probably go back. great beer. 2009-02-23 17:32:35 lbjay heaven_by_the_pint++ 2009-02-23 17:32:47 kgs yeah though they were out of their ipa 2009-02-23 17:33:16 jstirnaman just what i was looking for 2009-02-23 17:34:29 freemoth hi, just wondering how the pre-conference sessions were? any highlights to share? 2009-02-23 17:52:49 kgs is there a c4l09 pix account somewhere or shall I just load to the EG flickr account and tag the pix? 2009-02-23 17:57:19 jbrinley @know http://jbrinley.xplus3.net/id/ 2009-02-23 17:57:20 zoia jbrinley: Your URI is now 2009-02-23 17:57:29 mbklein @known mbklein 2009-02-23 17:57:30 zoia mbklein: mbklein's URI is 2009-02-23 17:57:32 jbrinley @known jbrinley 2009-02-23 17:57:32 zoia jbrinley: jbrinley's URI is 2009-02-23 17:57:35 mbklein w00t 2009-02-23 17:57:51 mbklein Be gentle. Still v0.001 2009-02-23 18:00:08 scolford @known scolford 2009-02-23 18:00:09 zoia scolford: I don't know scolford's URI 2009-02-23 18:00:14 scolford ha. 2009-02-23 18:00:33 scolford this will be neat 2009-02-23 18:02:19 erikhatcher jbrinley: ya here? 2009-02-23 18:02:40 kgs mbklein is this your homework? :) 2009-02-23 18:05:17 anarchivist at trinity brewhouse 2009-02-23 18:08:06 edsu jbrinley++ 2009-02-23 18:08:06 kgs redrum is very good. they're all very good though 2009-02-23 18:08:31 edsu kgs: load + tag i think yeah 2009-02-23 18:08:44 kgs edsu thanx 2009-02-23 18:13:36 kgs kgs trinity made me want to brew an oatmeal stout 2009-02-23 18:14:11 mbklein kgs: You can ask zoia to know you know with @know [your-uri] 2009-02-23 18:14:20 edsu kgs: you went there last night? 2009-02-23 18:14:22 mbklein s/know you know/know you now/ 2009-02-23 18:14:35 kgs yes, three of us did a trinity "preconference" ;) 2009-02-23 18:14:49 edsu :-) 2009-02-23 18:15:40 scolford @know http://justgiblets.com/scolford/foaf.rdf#me 2009-02-23 18:15:41 zoia scolford: Your URI is now 2009-02-23 18:15:52 scolford heehee 2009-02-23 18:16:22 kgs @know http://freerangelibrarian.com/foaf.rdf#kgs 2009-02-23 18:16:23 zoia kgs: Your URI is now 2009-02-23 18:16:30 kgs @known kgs 2009-02-23 18:16:31 zoia kgs: kgs's URI is 2009-02-23 18:19:21 mjg_1 edsu: working on the slides, I see? 2009-02-23 18:19:39 mjg_ mjg_ was just working on demo notes 2009-02-23 18:20:59 kgs vufind preconf pix: http://flickr.com/photos/evergreen-ils/sets/72157614355981622/ 2009-02-23 18:22:40 mjg_ @know http://lackoftalent.org/michael/id/ 2009-02-23 18:22:42 zoia mjg_: Your URI is now 2009-02-23 18:23:05 mjg_ mjg_ stumbles off to find food. 2009-02-23 19:00:40 anarchivist @quote random 2009-02-23 19:00:41 zoia anarchivist: Quote #181: " we're all professionals here" (added by tholbroo at 07:03 PM, February 15, 2006) 2009-02-23 19:25:33 anarchivist @quote random 2009-02-23 19:25:34 zoia anarchivist: Quote #1366: "< anarchivist> my band for pycon 2009: simplejson and the sys.argvonauts" (added by gsf at 11:31 AM, May 08, 2008) 2009-02-23 19:33:36 cschx @aussie 2009-02-23 19:33:37 zoia cschx: SHRIMP ON THE BARBIE, MATES! 2009-02-23 19:47:54 anarchivist @aussie [quote random] 2009-02-23 19:47:55 zoia anarchivist: SHRIMP ON THE BARBIE, MATES! 2009-02-23 19:48:44 zoia New news from planetcode4lib: Engard, Nicole: ‡biblios.net Video Tutorials || Eaton, Alf: CloudMade 2009-02-23 20:19:07 zoia New news from planetcode4lib: del.icio.us: code4lib | coders for libraries, libraries for coders || del.icio.us: code4lib 2009 talk on caching and proxying linked data 2009-02-23 20:23:48 JodiS @know http://jodischneider.com#me 2009-02-23 20:23:49 zoia JodiS: Your URI is now 2009-02-23 20:25:57 jbrinley @know http://jbrinley.xplus3.net/id/ 2009-02-23 20:25:58 zoia jbrinley: jbrinley's URI is now 2009-02-23 20:26:10 jbrinley @forget jbrinley 2009-02-23 20:26:11 zoia jbrinley: I've forgotten who jbrinley is 2009-02-23 20:26:16 jbrinley @known jbrinley 2009-02-23 20:26:16 zoia jbrinley: I don't know jbrinley's URI 2009-02-23 20:26:20 jbrinley @know http://jbrinley.xplus3.net/id/ 2009-02-23 20:26:21 zoia jbrinley: jbrinley's URI is now 2009-02-23 20:26:25 jbrinley @known jbrinley 2009-02-23 20:26:26 zoia jbrinley: jbrinley's URI is 2009-02-23 20:26:38 jbrinley @know http://jbrinley.xplus3.net/id/test 2009-02-23 20:26:39 zoia jbrinley: jbrinley's URI is now 2009-02-23 20:26:44 jbrinley @known jbrinley 2009-02-23 20:26:44 zoia jbrinley: jbrinley's URI is 2009-02-23 20:26:50 jbrinley @know http://jbrinley.xplus3.net/id/ 2009-02-23 20:26:50 zoia jbrinley: jbrinley's URI is now 2009-02-23 20:27:22 jbrinley more to come tomorrow... 2009-02-23 20:27:55 jbrinley @known zoia 2009-02-23 20:27:56 zoia jbrinley: I don't know zoia's URI 2009-02-23 20:28:31 jbrinley @know zoia http://www.code4lib.org/id/zoia 2009-02-23 20:28:32 zoia jbrinley: zoia's URI is now 2009-02-23 20:28:38 jbrinley @know zoia 2009-02-23 20:28:38 zoia jbrinley: jbrinley's URI is now 2009-02-23 20:28:50 jbrinley whoops 2009-02-23 20:29:00 jbrinley @know http://jbrinley.xplus3.net/id/ 2009-02-23 20:29:00 zoia jbrinley: jbrinley's URI is now 2009-02-23 20:29:05 jbrinley @known zoia 2009-02-23 20:29:06 zoia jbrinley: zoia's URI is 2009-02-23 20:30:40 chickmarkley @ana Great Darwin, I'm here 2009-02-23 20:30:42 zoia chickmarkley: A weirder nightmare 2009-02-23 20:31:24 jbrinley wickr: can you make http://www.code4lib.org/id/zoia redirect (303) to http://rc98.net/zoia.rdf 2009-02-23 20:32:32 jbrinley @later tell wickr can you make http://www.code4lib.org/id/zoia redirect (303) to http://rc98.net/zoia.rdf 2009-02-23 20:32:33 zoia jbrinley: The operation succeeded. 2009-02-23 20:34:20 royt anarchivist: ping 2009-02-23 20:42:27 jaf hey all you code4lib'ers, wish I was there! 2009-02-23 20:42:43 jtgorman ditto ;) 2009-02-23 20:43:02 jtgorman odd fact, the wife bookmarked several possible hotels for a trip....all the links now return an error 2009-02-23 20:43:26 jtgorman jtgorman would have a unique link for each hotel in the chain... 2009-02-23 20:49:18 zoia New news from planetcode4lib: Lederman, Sol (Federated Search Blog): Alex Wright on the deep web in the New York Times || del.icio.us: supybot-plugins - Revision 673: / 2009-02-23 20:52:28 wickr jaf: hey, what are you doing in taiwan? 2009-02-23 20:53:08 jaf wickr: attending this - http://grl2020.net 2009-02-23 20:53:17 wickr jbrinley: yeah I think I can do that 2009-02-23 20:53:29 jbrinley wickr++ 2009-02-23 20:53:52 wickr jaf: wow, cool 2009-02-23 20:54:18 jaf wickr: yeah, but I'm really sad not to be at c4l 2009-02-23 20:54:21 wickr jbrinley: are you still working on stuff? 2009-02-23 20:54:37 jbrinley wickr: not at the moment, but a few more functions to add tomorrow 2009-02-23 20:54:47 jbrinley @known jbrinley 2009-02-23 20:54:48 zoia jbrinley: jbrinley's URI is 2009-02-23 20:54:59 wickr ok, just curious 2009-02-23 20:55:12 jbrinley @know jbrinley http://jbrinley.xplus3.net/id/ 2009-02-23 20:55:14 zoia jbrinley: jbrinley's URI is now 2009-02-23 20:55:26 jbrinley @list foaf 2009-02-23 20:55:26 zoia jbrinley: forget, know, known, knows, and reloadfoaf 2009-02-23 20:55:35 jbrinley don't reloadfoaf 2009-02-23 20:57:06 jbrinley reload FOAF 2009-02-23 20:57:11 jbrinley @reload FOAF 2009-02-23 20:57:11 zoia jbrinley: The operation succeeded. 2009-02-23 20:57:18 jbrinley @list foaf 2009-02-23 20:57:19 zoia jbrinley: forget, know, known, and knows 2009-02-23 21:14:56 jtgorman wow, I can't believe how shitty the hotel chains websites are...no wonder people use things like hotels.com 2009-02-23 21:15:12 jtgorman here's a hit...fi you have a autocomplete, don't have return submit the form 2009-02-23 21:16:59 jtgorman I'm almost tempted to go with comfort inn because a) I can bookmark the particular hotel that I'm going to be staying at and b) it hasn' tgiven me a "you've timed out" error 2009-02-23 21:21:35 jtgorman and if you're running a cute little bed and breakfast...don't make me call you just for freaken directions! 2009-02-23 21:24:45 jtgorman jtgorman goes to check on the dog 2009-02-23 21:41:45 eby_ eby_ presumes the dog is writing an editorial about chateau le gorman's shitty website 2009-02-23 21:46:27 jtgorman eby_: no, she prefers to blog about the low quality of our food and the general cluelessness of the apes who live in her place. And angry rants at the squirrels in the yard. 2009-02-23 21:47:32 jtgorman eby_: and she has...on occasion...taken advantage of the fact when I'm zoning out in front of the computer and Colleen's not home to help herself to food/move things around/etc. 2009-02-23 21:47:42 eby_ pretty sure the cats here have a truce with the squirrels 2009-02-23 21:48:25 eby_ despite the one being smacked a couple times in the face by one 2009-02-23 21:48:57 jtgorman eby_: I'm picturing a squirrel beating the heck out of a surprised cat 2009-02-23 21:49:32 jtgorman V really wants to catch a squirrel or a rabbit. She's caught one mouse and maybe a second in the yard. 2009-02-23 21:49:59 jtgorman she hasn't figured out how she should react to cats yet 2009-02-23 21:50:15 wickr jbrinley: either I'm doing the redirect wrong or drupal is getting in the way 2009-02-23 21:50:39 wickr or possibly both 2009-02-23 21:53:12 jbrinley wickr: you just doing it in an .htaccess in drupal's root? 2009-02-23 21:54:08 wickr jbrinley: no, the httpd.conf 2009-02-23 21:54:50 jtgorman jtgorman sighs 2009-02-23 21:54:58 jbrinley wickr: what are you putting there? 2009-02-23 21:55:13 jtgorman so...as much as I hate to say it, I think a "great article" on my article for code4lib journal is most likely spam 2009-02-23 21:55:24 jtgorman there's one link and it leads to a seo website 2009-02-23 21:55:26 jbrinley jtgorman: yeah, looks that way 2009-02-23 21:55:28 jbrinley sorry 2009-02-23 21:55:49 jbrinley jtgorman: I can take the link out but leave the sentiment, if you'd like :) 2009-02-23 21:55:56 fak3r jbrinley: in httpd.conf do you have AllowOverride All for your docroot with Drupal in it? 2009-02-23 21:56:11 jbrinley ^ wickr 2009-02-23 21:56:21 jtgorman jbrinley: nah, just take it out 2009-02-23 21:56:28 fak3r jbrinley: that way it will honor whatever .htacess says (not recommended for production) 2009-02-23 21:56:41 wickr fak3r: not using .htaccess here 2009-02-23 21:56:59 jtgorman jbrinley: I'd rather have my article judged on its merits, if anyone manages to find one ;) 2009-02-23 21:57:23 jbrinley wickr: RewriteRule ^id/zoia$ http://rc98.net/zoia.rdf [R=303] 2009-02-23 21:57:25 jtgorman I just wonder why that seo thought being linked from my article would bump them up... 2009-02-23 21:57:38 jbrinley wickr: within a 2009-02-23 21:57:47 wickr jtgorman: ok I'll try that 2009-02-23 21:58:02 mbklein jbrinley: Are you working on the plugin? I just made a whole bunch o' edits (refactoring, knows support, etc) 2009-02-23 21:58:05 wickr fwiw, right now I have Redirect 303 /id/zoia/ http://rc98.net/zoia.rdf 2009-02-23 21:58:11 jbrinley mbklein: I did a bit earlier 2009-02-23 21:58:22 mbklein OK, I'll try to diff. 2009-02-23 21:58:22 jbrinley mbklein: nothing since about 8:15 2009-02-23 21:58:31 jbrinley mbklein: added forget 2009-02-23 21:58:52 mbklein jbrinley: Weird. I added forget also, and had checked it in. Was there a merge involved? 2009-02-23 21:59:10 jtgorman I wonder if I could find a comment area of that seo website and say "You stink as far as SEO goes. I mean, you commented on a nobody's article that's has far fewer hits than most other articles on that online journal. Signed nobody" with a link back to my article... 2009-02-23 21:59:23 jbrinley mbklein: I updated before committing, but it didn't tell me about anything 2009-02-23 21:59:28 mbklein OK 2009-02-23 22:00:20 wickr jbrinley: still page not found: http://code4lib.org/id/zoia 2009-02-23 22:00:53 mbklein jbrinley: I apologize in advance if I step on your edit. There's a whole load of diffs, and I'm trying to deal with the conflicts. 2009-02-23 22:00:57 jbrinley wickr: did you restart apache? 2009-02-23 22:01:03 wickr jbrinley: yup 2009-02-23 22:01:05 jbrinley mbklein: no worries 2009-02-23 22:01:40 jbrinley wickr: Add a RewriteEngine On? 2009-02-23 22:02:00 dbs jtgorman: I'm sure I hold the title of article with fewest hits 2009-02-23 22:02:53 dbs hey scolford! enjoying the conf I hoe 2009-02-23 22:02:59 dbs err, hope :) 2009-02-23 22:03:08 scolford haha, who you calling a hoe? 2009-02-23 22:03:11 scolford and yes, very much! 2009-02-23 22:03:30 wickr jbrinley: added that, still no 2009-02-23 22:03:31 scolford had a lovely dinner with lovely people tonight 2009-02-23 22:03:32 royt sigh, my FOAF is still getting left off the crawl, wish I knew why 2009-02-23 22:03:48 jtgorman dbs: you finally wrote an article! 2009-02-23 22:03:51 jtgorman dbs: ;) 2009-02-23 22:04:02 jtgorman seriously though, I'm about four issues behind 2009-02-23 22:04:06 jtgorman :( 2009-02-23 22:04:19 dbs jtgorman: uhh, issue #2 dude. OpenSRF? I suck. 2009-02-23 22:04:24 kgs royt what's your foaf file? 2009-02-23 22:04:37 royt kgs: do you mean where? 2009-02-23 22:04:44 jtgorman dbs: heh, now I remember 2009-02-23 22:04:47 kgs yes 2009-02-23 22:04:47 dbs OpenSRF would actually get hits. Linux on lookup laptops? Not so much. 2009-02-23 22:04:49 jtgorman dbs: ; 2009-02-23 22:05:04 dbs scolford: I am insanely jealous. 2009-02-23 22:05:11 jtgorman dbs: so yeah, you did get more hits than me... 2009-02-23 22:05:12 scolford You are missed! 2009-02-23 22:05:16 royt kgs: http://roytennant.com/foaf.rdf#me and it appears and disappears from the list of c4l attendees with fair regularity 2009-02-23 22:05:29 jbrinley wickr: maybe another option, make a page with PHP code using header() to point to the foaf, and give that page a URL alias of id/zoia 2009-02-23 22:05:31 royt and I'm clueless as to why 2009-02-23 22:05:35 kgs yeah I've seen it there 2009-02-23 22:05:54 royt kgs: but i bet not every time :-) 2009-02-23 22:06:00 dbs jtgorman: that must be my hit-inflation bot 2009-02-23 22:06:19 jtgorman dbs: I was thinking that you finally had done something with that one system? 2009-02-23 22:06:37 jtgorman dbs: sofa-database? Loveseat -ottoman bs? 2009-02-23 22:06:40 wickr jbrinley: ok, I was seeing that in some Google results, not sure that'd work on v.4 though 2009-02-23 22:06:41 jtgorman dbs: something like that 2009-02-23 22:07:09 jtgorman jtgorman wonders how many people are in their hotel rooms geeking out right now as opposed to discovering the nightlife of Providence 2009-02-23 22:07:15 dbs jtgorman: Oh! http://bar.ca/lounger 2009-02-23 22:07:33 jtgorman of course, that nightlife probably consists of freezing cold 2009-02-23 22:07:35 jtgorman dbs++ 2009-02-23 22:07:39 jbrinley wickr: header("HTTP/1.1 303 See Other");header('Location: http://rc98.net/zoia.rdf'); 2009-02-23 22:07:45 kgs royt it chokes in the validator 2009-02-23 22:07:52 royt wah? 2009-02-23 22:07:58 mbklein jbrinley: plugin temporarily borked. please hold. :) 2009-02-23 22:08:05 kgs maybe you need to apply Reddi Whip (available on the room service menu) 2009-02-23 22:08:06 jbrinley jbrinley holds 2009-02-23 22:08:07 royt i could have sworn it validated....goes and check 2009-02-23 22:08:32 kgs or an Intimacy Kit 2009-02-23 22:08:50 royt i clearly need more than whipped cream 2009-02-23 22:08:53 jbrinley wickr: or, I guess, header('Location: http://rc98.net/zoia.rdf', true, 303); 2009-02-23 22:09:00 wickr jbrinley: ok, one sec 2009-02-23 22:09:59 wickr heh, that might go out to the rss feed, oops 2009-02-23 22:10:38 wickr duh, need php tags 2009-02-23 22:11:22 wickr jbrinley: it works 2009-02-23 22:11:27 jbrinley wickr++ 2009-02-23 22:11:41 jbrinley wickr: and it's not in the rss feed 2009-02-23 22:11:56 wickr jbrinley++ 2009-02-23 22:12:23 jbrinley if anyone would like to foaf:know zoia: http://www.code4lib.org/id/zoia 2009-02-23 22:12:53 jbrinley she may have some bugs in her graph 2009-02-23 22:12:57 jbrinley those would be my fault 2009-02-23 22:13:23 jtgorman jtgorman tries again to remember how google map placemarkers work 2009-02-23 22:13:43 jeff jtgorman: in what sense? using the api? 2009-02-23 22:13:56 royt I have no clue what is wrong, the validator is no help whatsoever 2009-02-23 22:14:07 royt "The prefix "rdf" for element "rdf:RDF" is not bound" 2009-02-23 22:14:12 royt what?!? 2009-02-23 22:16:29 fak3r kgs: again with the Reddi Whip, just order it an report back! 2009-02-23 22:16:48 mjg_ I am at long last no longer hungover from last night. 2009-02-23 22:16:54 mjg_ DRINKS ANYONE? 2009-02-23 22:16:57 fak3r wow, at home I never have prime time TV on, now I'm thankful for that fact. 2009-02-23 22:17:06 eikeon Reddi Whip? 2009-02-23 22:17:10 kgs I am mesmerized by TV tonight 2009-02-23 22:17:15 fak3r mjg_: what happened, did you sleep it off? 2009-02-23 22:17:19 mjg_ I have MSNBC on. 2009-02-23 22:17:41 kgs yeah if you are here at c4l check the small room service menu (thanks to the folks who pointed that out :) ) 2009-02-23 22:17:41 fak3r mjg_: as do I, usually. for Olber at 9pm cst 2009-02-23 22:17:47 mjg_ fak3r: yeah, rested most of the afternoon and took nsaids. then had a couple drinks. :) 2009-02-23 22:18:22 fak3r mjg_: sounds good, we took a large crew down to trinity brew - good food, good beer, s-l-o-w service 2009-02-23 22:18:29 zoia New news from planetcode4lib: Reese, Terry: Finally in Providence 2009-02-23 22:18:40 wickr royt: I don't currently see an error in your FOAF file in the validator 2009-02-23 22:18:46 kgs Trinity was nice last night 2009-02-23 22:18:59 royt wickr: then I don't see why i'm not getting crawled 2009-02-23 22:19:02 kgs wickr huh... I ran itthrough and it stopped (twice) 2009-02-23 22:19:23 ksclarke_ wickr thanks for doing all the data pulling for me... sorry to be a pain 2009-02-23 22:19:37 wickr ksclarke_: it's cool, I understand 2009-02-23 22:20:43 kgs I think if I'm strategic I don't need to go outside til late Thursday morning 2009-02-23 22:20:52 mjg_ kgs++ 2009-02-23 22:21:01 wickr royt: yeah, I remember seeing you on there several times 2009-02-23 22:21:06 scolford I still want to know what they bring if you order an intimacy kit for one. 2009-02-23 22:21:19 royt wickr: right, but then I inexplicably fall off again 2009-02-23 22:21:20 mjg_ a laptop? 2009-02-23 22:21:48 scolford mjg++ 2009-02-23 22:21:49 wickr royt: I also don't think the crawler has been running for several hours now 2009-02-23 22:21:52 mbklein jbrinley: You need to "forget" and "know" again. Your URI is all wrong. 2009-02-23 22:22:05 mbklein @known jbrinley 2009-02-23 22:22:06 zoia mbklein: jbrinley's URI is 2009-02-23 22:22:08 royt wickr: ok, maybe things are cool and i just need to wait for another crawl 2009-02-23 22:22:11 royt thks 2009-02-23 22:22:24 mjg_ @known mjgiarlo 2009-02-23 22:22:25 zoia mjg_: I don't know mjgiarlo's URI 2009-02-23 22:22:25 jbrinley mbklein: hmm, where'd that come from 2009-02-23 22:22:33 mjg_ @known mjg_ 2009-02-23 22:22:33 zoia mjg_: mjg_'s URI is 2009-02-23 22:22:36 jbrinley @forget 2009-02-23 22:22:48 jbrinley @forget jbrinley 2009-02-23 22:22:48 zoia jbrinley: (forget ) -- Forgets the URI associated with the nick of the calling user. 2009-02-23 22:23:01 mbklein @known jbrinle 2009-02-23 22:23:03 zoia mbklein: I don't know jbrinle's URI 2009-02-23 22:23:06 jbrinley @known jbrinley 2009-02-23 22:23:06 mbklein @known jbrinley 2009-02-23 22:23:06 zoia jbrinley: jbrinley's URI is 2009-02-23 22:23:08 zoia mbklein: jbrinley's URI is 2009-02-23 22:23:14 jbrinley @forget 2009-02-23 22:23:16 mbklein @knows mbklein jbrinley 2009-02-23 22:23:17 zoia mbklein: mbklein and jbrinley do not know each other. 2009-02-23 22:23:26 wickr royt: yeah, either that and it's fine, or there's more than one URI pointing to you (say with the #me and some without) and it's having issues sorting things out, which I think affected several people 2009-02-23 22:23:48 mbklein jbrinley: I accidentally wiped out @forget's feedback in the merge. Fixing now. 2009-02-23 22:23:55 jbrinley mbklein++ 2009-02-23 22:24:16 royt wickr: i tried to check for folks pointing to me w/out the #me, but haven't found anyone with the bad URI since a couple days now 2009-02-23 22:24:49 mbklein @knows mbklein scolford 2009-02-23 22:24:51 zoia mbklein: mbklein knows scolford, but scolford does not know mbklein. 2009-02-23 22:25:00 mbklein @knows mjg_ mbklein 2009-02-23 22:25:01 zoia mbklein: mjg_ and mbklein know each other. 2009-02-23 22:25:17 mjg_ mbklein++ # nifty. 2009-02-23 22:25:27 mbklein @knows mbklein zoia 2009-02-23 22:25:29 zoia mbklein: mbklein does not know zoia, but zoia knows mbklein. 2009-02-23 22:25:38 mbklein :O 2009-02-23 22:26:04 mbklein @knows mbklein foo 2009-02-23 22:26:05 zoia mbklein: I don't know foo's URI 2009-02-23 22:26:11 mbklein Eeeexcellent. 2009-02-23 22:26:24 mbklein @list foaf 2009-02-23 22:26:25 zoia mbklein: forget, know, known, and knows 2009-02-23 22:26:30 jbrinley mbklein++ 2009-02-23 22:26:47 jbrinley mbklein: lightning talk tomorrow or Wednesday? 2009-02-23 22:27:18 mjg_ zoia_lightning_talks++ 2009-02-23 22:27:20 wickr @know http://ryanwick.net/foaf.rdf#me 2009-02-23 22:27:20 mbklein jbrinley: Tomorrow's fine. 2009-02-23 22:27:20 zoia wickr: Your URI is now 2009-02-23 22:27:32 mbklein Hang on...Quick update coming. 2009-02-23 22:27:34 wickr @knows wickr zoia 2009-02-23 22:27:37 zoia wickr: wickr and zoia know each other. 2009-02-23 22:27:40 mbklein @known scolford 2009-02-23 22:27:40 zoia mbklein: scolford's URI is 2009-02-23 22:27:44 mjg_ zoia: how would you begin a lightning talk? 2009-02-23 22:27:45 zoia mjg_: I'm the @decider, and I @decide what's best 2009-02-23 22:27:48 jbrinley mbklein: did you leave in the optional nick arguments (so you can tell zoia about other people)? 2009-02-23 22:28:02 jbrinley @markov 2009-02-23 22:28:03 zoia jbrinley: Hmmm, don't remember the PLU for that... PRICE CHECK ON HORSE PUCKEY! 2009-02-23 22:28:06 wickr @knows wickr jbrinley mbklein 2009-02-23 22:28:07 zoia wickr: (knows ) -- Determines if the two given nicks know each other based on their registered FOAFs. 2009-02-23 22:28:14 wickr ah, only 2 2009-02-23 22:28:44 scolford @knows scolford zoia 2009-02-23 22:28:46 zoia scolford: scolford does not know zoia, but zoia knows scolford. 2009-02-23 22:31:11 mbklein jbrinley: No, but the refactoring makes it easy to add that in. I didn't want people to be able to screw with each other's info too much. :) 2009-02-23 22:31:21 mbklein @forget 2009-02-23 22:31:29 mbklein oops 2009-02-23 22:31:31 mbklein wait 2009-02-23 22:31:34 mbklein @reload FOAF 2009-02-23 22:31:35 zoia mbklein: The operation succeeded. 2009-02-23 22:31:39 mbklein @known 2009-02-23 22:31:39 zoia mbklein: (known ) -- Returns the URI associated with the given nick. 2009-02-23 22:31:42 mbklein @known mbklein 2009-02-23 22:31:44 zoia mbklein: I don't know mbklein's URI 2009-02-23 22:31:51 jbrinley mbklein: I think it should be possible (much as it is with @herald) 2009-02-23 22:32:07 jbrinley mbklein: so we can make assertions about people that aren't necessarily in here 2009-02-23 22:32:08 mbklein @know http://michael.is.outoffoc.us/michael/foaf.rdf#me 2009-02-23 22:32:08 zoia mbklein: Your URI is now 2009-02-23 22:32:25 mbklein jbrinley: Yeah, I'll do it. Won't take long. 2009-02-23 22:32:31 mbklein @forget 2009-02-23 22:32:32 zoia mbklein: (forget me) -- Forgets the URI associated with the nick of the calling user. 2009-02-23 22:32:36 mbklein @forget me 2009-02-23 22:32:37 zoia mbklein: An error has occurred and has been logged. Please contact this bot's administrator for more information. 2009-02-23 22:32:47 mbklein @known mbklein 2009-02-23 22:32:47 zoia mbklein: mbklein's URI is 2009-02-23 22:32:57 royt i give up, i see no logical reason why i'm not getting crawled 2009-02-23 22:33:08 mbklein OK. Fixing and adding back in ability to F with others' data. :D 2009-02-23 22:33:17 jbrinley royt: time to start looking for illogical reasons 2009-02-23 22:33:24 jbrinley conspiracy_theories++ 2009-02-23 22:33:40 royt jbrinley: yeah, but the lack of evidence is stunning 2009-02-23 22:34:01 mjg_ @known royt 2009-02-23 22:34:01 zoia mjg_: I don't know royt's URI 2009-02-23 22:34:04 kgs it's royt's magnetic field 2009-02-23 22:34:14 royt kgs: i wish ;-) 2009-02-23 22:34:23 jbrinley royt: tell zoia about you, maybe that will help 2009-02-23 22:34:33 royt jbrinley: how? 2009-02-23 22:34:38 jbrinley @help know 2009-02-23 22:34:39 zoia jbrinley: (know ) -- Associates the given URI with the nick of the user making the call. If the nick already has a URI, it will be forgotten. 2009-02-23 22:35:25 royt know http://roytennant.com/foaf.rdf#me 2009-02-23 22:35:35 royt @known royt 2009-02-23 22:35:35 scolford @known kgs 2009-02-23 22:35:35 zoia royt: I don't know royt's URI 2009-02-23 22:35:36 zoia scolford: kgs's URI is 2009-02-23 22:35:42 jbrinley royt: use an @ 2009-02-23 22:36:22 royt @know http://roytennant.com/foaf.rdf#me 2009-02-23 22:36:23 zoia royt: Your URI is now 2009-02-23 22:36:23 royt duh 2009-02-23 22:36:32 jbrinley @known royt 2009-02-23 22:36:33 zoia jbrinley: royt's URI is 2009-02-23 22:36:33 royt @known royt 2009-02-23 22:36:34 zoia royt: royt's URI is 2009-02-23 22:36:45 mjg_ @knows royt mjg_ 2009-02-23 22:36:47 zoia mjg_: royt and mjg_ know each other. 2009-02-23 22:36:51 BillDueber @know http://billdueber 2009-02-23 22:36:52 zoia BillDueber: Your URI is now 2009-02-23 22:37:01 royt but does that have anything to do with the crawl? 2009-02-23 22:37:03 jbrinley @knows royt jbrinley 2009-02-23 22:37:05 zoia jbrinley: royt and jbrinley know each other. 2009-02-23 22:37:07 BillDueber @know http://www.billdueber.com/foaf.rdf 2009-02-23 22:37:07 zoia BillDueber: Your URI is now 2009-02-23 22:37:17 scolford @knows scolford kgs 2009-02-23 22:37:18 ksclarke_ @know http://kevinclarke.info/foaf.rdf#me 2009-02-23 22:37:19 zoia scolford: scolford knows kgs, but kgs does not know scolford. 2009-02-23 22:37:20 zoia ksclarke_: Your URI is now 2009-02-23 22:37:30 mjg_ royt: naw, but it affirms the validity of yer foaf at least. 2009-02-23 22:37:39 scolford @knows scolford zoia 2009-02-23 22:37:41 zoia scolford: scolford does not know zoia, but zoia knows scolford. 2009-02-23 22:37:45 royt ok, so now I know it isn't a validity problem... 2009-02-23 22:37:48 jbrinley royt: presumably, zoia should also be crawled as an attendee, and will link to you (not that it matters, since other people already link to you) 2009-02-23 22:37:55 mjg_ @help know 2009-02-23 22:37:55 zoia mjg_: (know ) -- Associates the given URI with the nick of the user making the call. If the nick already has a URI, it will be forgotten. 2009-02-23 22:38:09 royt jbrinley: but that hasn't seemed to help 2009-02-23 22:38:11 fak3r fyi, the dresser knobs in the hotel rooms open a beer bottle easily 2009-02-23 22:38:13 BillDueber @help knows 2009-02-23 22:38:13 zoia BillDueber: (knows ) -- Determines if the two given nicks know each other based on their registered FOAFs. 2009-02-23 22:38:16 mjg_ mbklein: so @know wants the foaf URI not the person's URI? 2009-02-23 22:38:19 royt i keep appearing and disappearing 2009-02-23 22:38:26 mjg_ fak3r++ 2009-02-23 22:38:42 jbrinley royt: you've checked your quantum state? 2009-02-23 22:38:54 scolford @fak3r: wish i knew that earlier. the cheap bottle opener room service brought didn't work at all. 2009-02-23 22:38:55 zoia scolford: try feathers next time 2009-02-23 22:39:02 scolford oops 2009-02-23 22:39:29 royt jbrinley: yeah, i've just this side of quark, which is where i should be ;-) 2009-02-23 22:39:30 mbklein scolford: treating_irc_like_twitter-- 2009-02-23 22:39:37 royt s/I've/I'm/ 2009-02-23 22:39:40 mbklein @reload FOAF 2009-02-23 22:39:41 zoia mbklein: The operation succeeded. 2009-02-23 22:39:43 scolford mbklein: so right 2009-02-23 22:39:49 mbklein @known jbrinley 2009-02-23 22:39:49 zoia mbklein: jbrinley's URI is 2009-02-23 22:39:54 mbklein @forget jbrinley 2009-02-23 22:39:54 zoia mbklein: An error has occurred and has been logged. Please contact this bot's administrator for more information. 2009-02-23 22:39:59 mbklein @known jbrinley 2009-02-23 22:40:01 zoia mbklein: jbrinley's URI is 2009-02-23 22:40:06 jbrinley jbrinley is unforgettable 2009-02-23 22:40:13 fak3r scolford: and the counter in the bath worked, but took a little chip off the edge...still feel a bit bad about that. 2009-02-23 22:40:51 fak3r I'll likely charge it to the Underhills 2009-02-23 22:41:04 scolford fak3r: destroying_hotel_property-- 2009-02-23 22:41:23 kgs The Cheshire royt 2009-02-23 22:41:40 royt kgs: right, except no smile left ;-) 2009-02-23 22:42:06 jaf @quote random 2009-02-23 22:42:08 zoia jaf: Quote #1147: "< royt> rugged machismo ? how about butt ugly ?" (added by anarchivist at 05:12 PM, January 29, 2008) 2009-02-23 22:42:28 kgs needs to be updated lyrics to Eleanor Rigby re uncrawled foaf 2009-02-23 22:43:51 ksclarke_ @ana cheshire royt 2009-02-23 22:43:52 zoia ksclarke_: Hysteric hero 2009-02-23 22:43:58 ksclarke_ ksclarke_ chuksle 2009-02-23 22:44:17 fak3r scolford: I look at it exploration damage, as in, it's not destroyed, just...personalized 2009-02-23 22:44:38 scolford fak3r: improved, i'm sure 2009-02-23 22:44:49 ksclarke_ @ana cheshire ksclarke 2009-02-23 22:44:51 zoia ksclarke_: Shark-like screech 2009-02-23 22:44:56 fak3r scolford: perhaps a bit, yes 2009-02-23 22:44:57 ksclarke_ again, heh 2009-02-23 22:45:40 scolford leaving_your_mark++ 2009-02-23 22:45:54 ksclarke_ ksclarke_ thinks it's about time to download djatoka and give it a try 2009-02-23 22:46:19 fak3r scolford: mark++ is an good description 2009-02-23 22:47:32 dbs ksclarke++ 2009-02-23 22:47:39 zoia New news from planetcode4lib: Murray, Peter: What Does the Google Book Settlement Mean for the Online Book Market? 2009-02-23 22:48:09 dbs OCLC probably forced royt to license his FOAF under a crawler-hostile license 2009-02-23 22:48:18 ksclarke_ dbs: I'm sorry you won't be here to see me squirm 2009-02-23 22:48:25 scolford dbs++ 2009-02-23 22:49:22 wickr stymousisyday blocked 1 week 5 days never edit 2009-02-23 22:49:22 wickr thuttenl active 1 week 6 days never edit 2009-02-23 22:49:22 wickr Braazdoont blocked 1 week 6 days never edit 2009-02-23 22:49:22 wickr chrisabo active 2 weeks 10 hours never edit 2009-02-23 22:49:22 wickr crossref active 2 weeks 11 hours never edit 2009-02-23 22:49:24 wickr Jouslyflozy blocked 2 weeks 12 hours never edit 2009-02-23 22:49:27 wickr CraigQD blocked 2 weeks 18 hours never edit 2009-02-23 22:49:29 wickr goodwriter blocked 2 weeks 20 hours never edit 2009-02-23 22:49:32 wickr Stisywainia blocked 2 weeks 1 day never edit 2009-02-23 22:49:34 wickr neignmagren blocked 2 weeks 1 day never edit 2009-02-23 22:49:37 wickr gosaap blocked 2 weeks 2 days never edit 2009-02-23 22:49:39 wickr browneg active 2 weeks 3 days never edit 2009-02-23 22:49:42 wickr AssulaArold blocked 2 weeks 3 days never edit 2009-02-23 22:49:44 wickr StephenHF blocked 2 weeks 3 days never edit 2009-02-23 22:49:47 wickr LilyStivenson blocked 2 weeks 4 days never edit 2009-02-23 22:49:49 kgs dbs royt had a memorandum of understanding about his foaf, but then it became a unilateral policy, and no one knows why 2009-02-23 22:49:49 wickr soseoradozy blocked 2 weeks 4 days never edit 2009-02-23 22:49:52 wickr Qetiduwexn blocked 2 weeks 4 days never edit 2009-02-23 22:49:54 wickr CKDennis blocked 2 weeks 4 days never edit 2009-02-23 22:49:57 wickr artych blocked 2 weeks 4 days never edit 2009-02-23 22:49:59 wickr ZOJustin blocked 2 weeks 5 days never edit 2009-02-23 22:50:02 wickr preferred blocked 2 weeks 6 days never edit 2009-02-23 22:50:04 wickr XKRoy blocked 2 weeks 6 days never edit 2009-02-23 22:50:07 wickr corpobb blocked 3 weeks 13 hours never edit 2009-02-23 22:50:09 wickr prostorenoru blocked 3 weeks 14 hours never edit 2009-02-23 22:50:12 wickr tmccormick active 3 weeks 2 days 2 days 9 hours ago edit 2009-02-23 22:50:14 wickr pmayr active 3 weeks 2 days 3 weeks 1 day ago edit 2009-02-23 22:50:17 wickr TregeAppape blocked 3 weeks 3 days never edit 2009-02-23 22:50:19 wickr ClassicNancyhere blocked 3 weeks 4 days never edit 2009-02-23 22:50:22 wickr magtamerlan.ru blocked 3 weeks 6 days never edit 2009-02-23 22:50:24 wickr KingXXXxxx blocked 4 weeks 2 hours never edit 2009-02-23 22:50:27 wickr shanlera61 blocked 4 weeks 8 hours never edit 2009-02-23 22:50:29 wickr Biscorpuser blocked 4 weeks 8 hours never edit 2009-02-23 22:50:32 wickr automatic forex... blocked 4 weeks 1 day never edit 2009-02-23 22:50:34 wickr tethealifele blocked 4 weeks 1 day never edit 2009-02-23 22:50:37 wickr Jedsslelo blocked 4 weeks 1 day never edit 2009-02-23 22:50:40 wickr Effishabs blocked 4 weeks 2 days never edit 2009-02-23 22:50:42 wickr drodroki blocked 4 weeks 2 days never edit 2009-02-23 22:50:44 dbs kgs++ 2009-02-23 22:50:44 wickr Deardarma blocked 4 weeks 5 days never edit 2009-02-23 22:50:47 wickr dhanu active 4 weeks 5 days 4 weeks 3 days ago edit 2009-02-23 22:50:49 wickr damn it 2009-02-23 22:50:52 wickr irssi++ # for warning me wickr-- # for hitting the wrong key combo 2009-02-23 22:50:53 dbs wickr++ 2009-02-23 22:50:55 fak3r ksclarke_: you know we're running djatoka to serve all images at BHL (biodiversity heritage library) now? it's running on a Linux box I'm running at Mobot (in st.louis) 2009-02-23 22:51:11 ksclarke_ yeah, I wanted to ask you about your 2/3rd layers of caching actually 2009-02-23 22:51:32 ksclarke_ so did you have to do something special to get the parameterized urls cached in apache and the other thing? 2009-02-23 22:51:32 fak3r ksclarke_: http://www.biodiversitylibrary.org/page/3588821 2009-02-23 22:52:05 ksclarke_ fak3r: my co-speaker will be demoing your site I believe 2009-02-23 22:52:18 ksclarke_ internet connection willing, that is 2009-02-23 22:52:37 fak3r ksclarke_: I only enabled the disk cache and file cache in apache2 - varnish in front of it won't cache much as there's so much dynamic action in djatoka, but I still prefer having varnish (or haproxy) running the show in front 2009-02-23 22:53:16 fak3r tomcat/djatoka fills up /var/lib/tomcat5.5/temp like crazy - I have a cron job to keep it in check - AFAIK ryan hasn't implemented anything to control it 2009-02-23 22:53:17 mjg_ mjg_ decides to finish working on presentation tomorrow 2009-02-23 22:53:56 fak3r ksclarke_: great, I'd like to sit in, it was embarassingly simple to implement, save for the UI (which I didn't/can't do) 2009-02-23 22:54:23 ksclarke_ fak3r: we may be directing questions to you :-) 2009-02-23 22:55:07 fak3r ksclarke_: would be happy to help, we were really happy to be early adopters, esp since the proprietary lura-tech solution was being overloadee 2009-02-23 22:55:29 ksclarke_ oh so is that what you had before? for some reason I thought it was aware 2009-02-23 22:56:00 akorphan greetings, late nite c4l crew 2009-02-23 22:56:16 ksclarke_ greetings akorphan 2009-02-23 22:58:13 cazzerson hey ak 2009-02-23 22:58:30 akorphan what's the word on the street, Rockapella? 2009-02-23 22:59:17 cazzerson where. in. the. world. is... 2009-02-23 22:59:20 kgs kinda nice to be at a great conf and not have to worry about speaking 2009-02-23 22:59:38 akorphan akorphan dropped 1x10^-1 large on a new power supply, got home, and found that his original power supply had decided to start working again. 2009-02-23 23:02:00 dbs akorphan: thinkpad? 2009-02-23 23:02:01 ksclarke_ kgs: at the moment, I wish I could say that... well, by tonight I'll feel that way at least 2009-02-23 23:02:08 akorphan inspiron 2009-02-23 23:02:09 ksclarke_ tomorrow night 2009-02-23 23:02:29 akorphan my PS is making a disconcerting buzzing noise now, but at least it's charging. 2009-02-23 23:02:36 fak3r akorphan: nice, I was in a conf in perth in the fall, as soon as I plugged in my brick failed. took 3 days to buy a new one (that would only power the laptop, not charge the battery - thanks!) 2009-02-23 23:02:41 akorphan I think it doesn't like AC cable I'm using. 2009-02-23 23:03:37 fak3r ksclarke_: bah, not to worry, if you hit a dead spot in the talk just defer to that blabbermouth from mobot ;) 2009-02-23 23:03:55 cazzerson hm, worked fine on my brick...maybe bad plug fit? weird. 2009-02-23 23:04:02 wickr akorphan: my a/c adapter for my latitude is on it's last breath, I bought a new Kensington last week 2009-02-23 23:04:15 scolford @knows scolford zoia 2009-02-23 23:04:18 zoia scolford: scolford and zoia know each other. 2009-02-23 23:04:42 scolford zoia: I love you. 2009-02-23 23:04:43 zoia scolford: Well, maybe, but this is the problem with tenure: http://mudhead.uottawa.ca/~pete/beard.gif 2009-02-23 23:04:44 akorphan I plugged the ac cable from my mom's inspiron into my brick and it lit up like a good little transformer. 2009-02-23 23:05:12 fak3r has anyone tried a Dell Inspiron Mini 9? I want to pull the trigger for a travel 'top 2009-02-23 23:06:07 ksclarke_ fak3r++ 2009-02-23 23:07:11 kgs fak3r I'm thinking about the ASUS Eee PC 1000HE 10-Inch Netbook 2009-02-23 23:07:49 akorphan newegg has a very similar 10-inch Lenovo which comes with an XP license 2009-02-23 23:07:54 akorphan which might not be important to some of you 2009-02-23 23:07:56 JodiS @known zoia 2009-02-23 23:08:35 akorphan but for those of you who need XPness for work or whatever.... 2009-02-23 23:08:42 fak3r kgs: have looked at that too, but have only played with the 7" screen on the Eee PC 2009-02-23 23:09:12 fak3r akorphan: yep, but I run Debian on all of my servers/workstations, so Ubuntu pre-installed via Dell would be fun 2009-02-23 23:09:28 akorphan definitely 2009-02-23 23:09:48 akorphan akorphan should eventually get around to making one of his old machines into a linux hobby server 2009-02-23 23:10:03 fak3r kgs: there has to be a place in the mall that has the Eee, or at least the MSI Wind to compare. I'd like to try out the Mini 9 keyboard for a decsionmaker 2009-02-23 23:10:37 kgs well, it would violate my plan to not leave the hotel for 2 days but perhaps we could sneak over :) 2009-02-23 23:10:38 rangi i have the hp mini 1000tu 2009-02-23 23:10:47 rangi it doesnt suck 2009-02-23 23:10:52 fak3r kgs++ 2009-02-23 23:11:15 akorphan akorphan got an awesome roll-up silicone keyboard at Staples for $8 2009-02-23 23:11:21 akorphan Deal breaker: big enter key. 2009-02-23 23:11:32 kgs ok... I'm enjoying staying up late but I'm collapsing. nite all 2009-02-23 23:12:15 zoia ALL RISE 2009-02-23 23:12:23 jaf heh 2009-02-23 23:12:34 mbklein I <3 my herald 2009-02-23 23:12:47 mbklein @herald add scolford O HAI 2009-02-23 23:12:48 zoia mbklein: Error: I can't find scolford in my user database. If you didn't give a user name, then I might not know what your user is, and you'll need to identify before this command might work. 2009-02-23 23:13:08 mbklein @whoami 2009-02-23 23:13:08 zoia mbklein: mbklein 2009-02-23 23:13:16 scolford @whoami 2009-02-23 23:13:17 zoia scolford: I don't recognize you. 2009-02-23 23:14:17 scolford @register scolford 2009-02-23 23:14:18 zoia scolford: Error: That operation cannot be done in a channel. 2009-02-23 23:14:49 wickr scolford: /msg zoia register scolford password 2009-02-23 23:15:05 scolford wickr: de nada 2009-02-23 23:15:35 scolford @whoami 2009-02-23 23:15:37 zoia scolford: scolford 2009-02-23 23:17:39 scolford @herald add scolford O HAI 2009-02-23 23:17:41 zoia scolford: The operation succeeded. 2009-02-23 23:18:06 fak3r akorphan: can't find a Lenovo on newegg that's a netbook. Link? 2009-02-23 23:18:18 fak3r rangi: will look at the hp mini 1000tu next, thanks 2009-02-23 23:18:29 ksclarke_ @quote random 2009-02-23 23:18:29 zoia ksclarke_: Quote #546: "< decasm> MARC = MAchine Readable Cacophony" (added by edsu at 11:45 AM, November 29, 2006) 2009-02-23 23:23:00 mbklein @reload FOAF 2009-02-23 23:23:01 zoia mbklein: The operation succeeded. 2009-02-23 23:23:04 mbklein @known 2009-02-23 23:23:04 zoia mbklein: I know URIs for the following users: BillDueber, JodiS, gsf, jbrinley, kgs, ksclarke_, mbklein, mjg_, royt, scolford, wickr, zoia 2009-02-23 23:23:16 mbklein @knows gsf kgs 2009-02-23 23:23:18 zoia mbklein: gsf and kgs do not know each other. 2009-02-23 23:23:25 JodiS @knows mbklein gsf 2009-02-23 23:23:26 zoia JodiS: mbklein and gsf know each other. 2009-02-23 23:23:26 mbklein @knows royt kgs 2009-02-23 23:23:27 zoia mbklein: royt knows kgs, but kgs does not know royt. 2009-02-23 23:23:36 JodiS cool plugin! 2009-02-23 23:23:39 mbklein @known jbrinley 2009-02-23 23:23:40 zoia mbklein: jbrinley's URI is 2009-02-23 23:23:44 mbklein @forget jbrinley 2009-02-23 23:23:44 zoia mbklein: OK, I've forgotten jbrinley's URI 2009-02-23 23:23:46 mbklein @forget jbrinley 2009-02-23 23:23:47 zoia mbklein: I didn't know jbrinley's URI anyway. 2009-02-23 23:23:52 mbklein @known jbrinley 2009-02-23 23:23:52 JodiS @knows mbklein JodiS 2009-02-23 23:23:54 zoia mbklein: I don't know jbrinley's URI 2009-02-23 23:23:55 zoia JodiS: An error has occurred and has been logged. Please contact this bot's administrator for more information. 2009-02-23 23:23:59 JodiS :( 2009-02-23 23:24:03 mbklein @know jbrinley http://jbrinley.xplus3.net/id/ 2009-02-23 23:24:04 zoia mbklein: jbrinley's URI is now 2009-02-23 23:24:11 JodiS JodiS probably still has a FOAF problem 2009-02-23 23:24:14 jbrinley mbklein++ 2009-02-23 23:24:27 mbklein JodiS: I tried that on my test server (where I can see the error output). Your FOAF didn't parse. 2009-02-23 23:25:06 mbklein It's probably a good idea to return better error messages, but that's for tomorrow. 2009-02-23 23:26:04 akorphan fak3r, re: lenovo: none off the top of my head... I just saw it in the library and asked the person where they got it. 2009-02-23 23:31:03 akorphan akorphan apparently still has a FOAF problem. 2009-02-23 23:31:37 mbklein @reload FOAF 2009-02-23 23:31:39 zoia mbklein: The operation succeeded. 2009-02-23 23:31:40 mbklein @known 2009-02-23 23:31:41 zoia mbklein: I know URIs for the following users: BillDueber, JodiS, gsf, jbrinley, kgs, ksclarke_, mbklein, mjg_, royt, scolford, wickr, zoia 2009-02-23 23:31:45 mbklein @known mbklein 2009-02-23 23:31:45 zoia mbklein: mbklein's URI is 2009-02-23 23:31:56 mbklein @knows mbklein JodiS 2009-02-23 23:32:33 mbklein Did I just kill zoia? 2009-02-23 23:32:36 mbklein @whoami 2009-02-23 23:32:36 zoia mbklein: mbklein 2009-02-23 23:33:08 mbklein @known mbklein 2009-02-23 23:33:09 zoia mbklein: mbklein's URI is 2009-02-23 23:33:16 mbklein @knows mbklein royt 2009-02-23 23:33:49 akorphan @whoami 2009-02-23 23:33:49 zoia akorphan: I don't recognize you. 2009-02-23 23:33:57 mbklein Damn identation problem. 2009-02-23 23:34:00 mbklein @reload FOAF 2009-02-23 23:34:01 zoia mbklein: The operation succeeded. 2009-02-23 23:34:05 mbklein @knows mbklein royt 2009-02-23 23:34:06 zoia mbklein: mbklein and royt know each other. 2009-02-23 23:34:11 mbklein @knows mbklein JodiS 2009-02-23 23:34:14 zoia mbklein: An error has occurred and has been logged. Please contact this bot's administrator for more information. 2009-02-23 23:34:16 dbs python++ 2009-02-23 23:34:50 akorphan @whoami 2009-02-23 23:34:51 zoia akorphan: akorphan 2009-02-23 23:35:09 JodiS JodiS is confused at the error: there is no attribute "rdf:resource" 2009-02-23 23:35:29 akorphan @know akorphan http://www4.ncsu.edu/~akorphan/foaf.rdf#akorphan 2009-02-23 23:35:32 zoia akorphan: akorphan's URI is now 2009-02-23 23:35:38 akorphan @knows akorphan 2009-02-23 23:35:38 zoia akorphan: (knows ) -- Determines if the two given nicks know each other based on their registered FOAFs. 2009-02-23 23:35:49 akorphan @known akorphan 2009-02-23 23:35:50 zoia akorphan: akorphan's URI is 2009-02-23 23:36:01 akorphan @knows akorphan mbklein 2009-02-23 23:36:03 zoia akorphan: akorphan and mbklein do not know each other. 2009-02-23 23:36:22 akorphan @knows akorphan cazzerson 2009-02-23 23:36:22 zoia akorphan: I don't know cazzerson's URI 2009-02-23 23:36:33 akorphan figures. 2009-02-23 23:44:06 jbrinley @known mbklein 2009-02-23 23:44:07 zoia jbrinley: mbklein's URI is 2009-02-23 23:44:21 mbklein @reload FOAF 2009-02-23 23:44:23 zoia mbklein: The operation succeeded. 2009-02-23 23:45:41 jbrinley @knows jbrinley mbklein 2009-02-23 23:45:43 zoia jbrinley: jbrinley knows mbklein, but mbklein does not know jbrinley. 2009-02-23 23:45:56 dbs @known JodiS 2009-02-23 23:45:56 zoia dbs: JodiS's URI is 2009-02-23 23:46:06 jbrinley @knows jbrinley JodiS 2009-02-23 23:46:09 zoia jbrinley: An error has occurred and has been logged. Please contact this bot's administrator for more information. 2009-02-23 23:46:23 akorphan JodiS is broken! 2009-02-23 23:46:34 mbklein JodiS's FOAF won't parse. I'm trying to get a reasonable error message. 2009-02-23 23:46:37 JodiS JodiS is broen 2009-02-23 23:46:46 JodiS JodiS 's k key is broen too 2009-02-23 23:47:05 JodiS oh wait: I am not my FOAF! woohoo for that! :) 2009-02-23 23:47:11 JodiS mbklein++ 2009-02-23 23:47:16 mbklein @known jbrinley 2009-02-23 23:47:16 zoia mbklein: jbrinley's URI is 2009-02-23 23:47:30 JodiS who knew that internal FOAF would prove so difficult... 2009-02-23 23:47:31 mbklein @knows mbklein jbrinley 2009-02-23 23:47:33 zoia mbklein: mbklein and jbrinley know each other. 2009-02-23 23:48:11 akorphan @knows akorphan erdos 2009-02-23 23:48:12 zoia akorphan: I don't know erdos's URI 2009-02-23 23:48:22 akorphan oh well, worth a shot. 2009-02-23 23:49:10 mbklein akorphan++ 2009-02-23 23:49:17 mbklein @reload FOAF 2009-02-23 23:49:18 zoia mbklein: The operation succeeded. 2009-02-23 23:49:23 mbklein @knows JodiS zoia 2009-02-23 23:49:26 zoia mbklein: An error has occurred and has been logged. Please contact this bot's administrator for more information. 2009-02-23 23:49:32 mbklein mbklein sighs 2009-02-23 23:49:51 scolford @knows scolford zoia 2009-02-23 23:49:53 zoia scolford: scolford and zoia know each other. 2009-02-23 23:50:14 jbrinley_slee mbklein: have you tried it with a generic StandardError? 2009-02-23 23:50:33 mbklein jbrinley_sleepin: No, is that the error from which all others descend? 2009-02-23 23:50:42 jbrinley_slee mbklein: I believe so 2009-02-23 23:50:50 jbrinley_slee mbklein: or, at least most errors 2009-02-23 23:50:54 mbklein OK 2009-02-23 23:51:02 jbrinley_sle jbrinley_sle really goes to be now 2009-02-23 23:51:54 mbklein @reload FOAF 2009-02-23 23:51:54 zoia mbklein: The operation succeeded. 2009-02-23 23:51:58 mbklein @knows JodiS zoia 2009-02-23 23:52:00 zoia mbklein: An error has occurred and has been logged. Please contact this bot's administrator for more information. 2009-02-23 23:52:17 mbklein I'm gonna debug this one on my own machine. Maybe tomorrow, though. 2009-02-23 23:52:36 JodiS indeed 2009-02-23 23:57:23 JodiS @later tell edsu Can you put up your lcsh.info slides at http://wiki.code4lib.org/index.php/LinkedData ? 2009-02-23 23:57:24 zoia JodiS: The operation succeeded. 2009-02-23 23:57:35 JodiS JodiS @later tell lbjay Can you put up your vocab slides at http://wiki.code4lib.org/index.php/LinkedData ? 2009-02-23 23:57:35 zoia JodiS: The operation succeeded. 2009-02-23 23:58:02 JodiS somebody please bug anders & charper too... 2009-02-23 23:58:14 MrDys @later tell bess musicbrainz is using amazon for CD covers. The ASIN is embedded in the MB record and is generating an img url based on that. 2009-02-23 23:58:15 zoia MrDys: The operation succeeded. 2009-02-23 23:58:28 fak3r when do the talks start up tomorrow, 9am? 2009-02-23 23:59:39 rsinger JodiS++ 2009-02-24 00:00:04 JodiS keynote at 9:15, but 8:45 is the "talks get started" (meaning welcome & a reprise of anarchivist's awesome HOWTO talk from last year) 2009-02-24 00:00:18 MrDys anarchivist++ 2009-02-24 00:01:19 rsinger what is the 'whatever' room? 2009-02-24 00:01:50 fak3r rsinger: unsure, assume it's the same room we were in today, only extended. 2009-02-24 00:02:31 rsinger fak3r: well, actually it's in the handel room 2009-02-24 00:02:44 rsinger which i think is on the floor above the ballroom? 2009-02-24 00:02:46 rsinger not sure 2009-02-24 00:03:02 fak3r ah, perhaps I need to get out earlier ;) 2009-02-24 00:03:55 rsinger it's mentioned in the 'community and communication' section of the program 2009-02-24 00:04:07 rsinger with, like, the twitter hashtag and stuff 2009-02-24 00:05:08 mbklein @known JodiS 2009-02-24 00:05:10 zoia mbklein: JodiS's URI is 2009-02-24 00:09:42 mbklein @reload FOAF 2009-02-24 00:09:44 zoia mbklein: An error has occurred and has been logged. Please contact this bot's administrator for more information. 2009-02-24 00:10:38 mbklein @reload FOAF 2009-02-24 00:10:39 zoia mbklein: Error: There was no plugin FOAF. 2009-02-24 00:10:43 mbklein @load FOAF 2009-02-24 00:10:45 zoia mbklein: The operation succeeded. 2009-02-24 00:10:48 mbklein @knows mbklein JodiS 2009-02-24 00:10:51 zoia mbklein: Error: http://jodischneider.com:30:3: Invalid property attribute URI: http://www.w3.org/1999/02/22-rdf-syntax-ns#resource 2009-02-24 00:11:48 dbs @knows ksclarke djakota 2009-02-24 00:11:49 zoia dbs: I don't know ksclarke's URI 2009-02-24 00:14:22 mbklein @known 2009-02-24 00:14:22 zoia mbklein: I know URIs for the following users: BillDueber, JodiS, akorphan, gsf, jbrinley, kgs, ksclarke_, mbklein, mjg_, royt, scolford, wickr, zoia 2009-02-24 00:14:31 mbklein @known mbklein 2009-02-24 00:14:32 zoia mbklein: mbklein's URI is 2009-02-24 00:14:35 mbklein @forget mbklein 2009-02-24 00:14:35 zoia mbklein: OK, I've forgotten mbklein's URI 2009-02-24 00:14:38 mbklein @forget mbklein 2009-02-24 00:14:39 zoia mbklein: I didn't know mbklein's URI anyway. 2009-02-24 00:14:47 mbklein @know mbklein http://michael.is.outoffoc.us/michael/foaf.rdf#me 2009-02-24 00:14:47 zoia mbklein: mbklein's URI is now 2009-02-24 00:14:50 mbklein @forget zoia 2009-02-24 00:14:50 zoia mbklein: Funny. Not. 2009-02-24 00:15:00 mbklein @known zoia 2009-02-24 00:15:08 zoia mbklein: zoia's URI is 2009-02-24 00:15:16 mbklein @known ksclarke_ 2009-02-24 00:15:18 zoia mbklein: ksclarke_'s URI is 2009-02-24 00:15:29 mbklein @know ksclarke http://kevinclarke.info/foaf.rdf#me 2009-02-24 00:15:30 zoia mbklein: ksclarke's URI is now 2009-02-24 00:15:34 mbklein @forget ksclarke_ 2009-02-24 00:15:35 zoia mbklein: OK, I've forgotten ksclarke_'s URI 2009-02-24 00:15:45 mbklein @knows ksclarke mbklein 2009-02-24 00:15:45 zoia mbklein: I don't know ksclarke's URI 2009-02-24 00:15:55 mbklein @know ksclarke http://kevinclarke.info/foaf.rdf#me 2009-02-24 00:15:56 zoia mbklein: ksclarke's URI is now 2009-02-24 00:15:58 mbklein @knows ksclarke mbklein 2009-02-24 00:15:59 zoia mbklein: ksclarke does not know mbklein, but mbklein knows ksclarke. 2009-02-24 00:16:34 mbklein g'night everybody. 2009-02-24 00:17:50 zoia New news from planetcode4lib: del.icio.us: Online Research: Zotero Moves Into the Cloud - ReadWriteWeb || del.icio.us: namespace lookup for RDF developers | prefix.cc || del.icio.us: LinkedData - Code4Lib || del.icio.us: OCLC Grid Services Boot Camp (2009 Preconference) | code4lib || Matien 2009-02-24 00:29:30 MrDys @later tell bess ...but if you're querying freebase, fb will store CD covers from wikipedia complete with rights holder information (if available): http://www.freebase.com/view/wikipedia/images/en_id/202459 2009-02-24 00:29:31 zoia MrDys: The operation succeeded. 2009-02-24 00:44:46 anarchivist_r @known anarchivist 2009-02-24 00:44:47 zoia anarchivist_room: I don't know anarchivist's URI 2009-02-24 00:45:32 anarchivist @know anarchivist http://thesecretmirror.com/foaf.xml#matienzo 2009-02-24 00:45:34 zoia anarchivist: anarchivist's URI is now 2009-02-24 00:45:42 anarchivist @known 2009-02-24 00:45:42 zoia anarchivist: I know URIs for the following users: BillDueber, JodiS, akorphan, anarchivist, gsf, jbrinley, kgs, ksclarke, mbklein, mjg_, royt, scolford, wickr, zoia 2009-02-24 00:45:52 anarchivist @knows gsf anarchivist 2009-02-24 00:45:53 zoia anarchivist: gsf knows anarchivist, but anarchivist does not know gsf. 2009-02-24 00:45:59 anarchivist whut. 2009-02-24 00:46:27 dchud_ @know flighty http://old.onebiglibrary.net/misc/foaf.rdf 2009-02-24 00:46:28 zoia dchud_: flighty's URI is now 2009-02-24 00:46:36 dchud @known 2009-02-24 00:46:37 zoia dchud: I know URIs for the following users: BillDueber, JodiS, akorphan, anarchivist, flighty, gsf, jbrinley, kgs, ksclarke, mbklein, mjg_, royt, scolford, wickr, zoia 2009-02-24 00:46:48 anarchivist ugh 2009-02-24 00:48:59 MrDys @know MrDys http://dysinterested.com/foaf.rdf#me 2009-02-24 00:49:00 zoia MrDys: MrDys's URI is now 2009-02-24 00:49:10 MrDys @known 2009-02-24 00:49:11 zoia MrDys: I know URIs for the following users: BillDueber, JodiS, MrDys, akorphan, anarchivist, flighty, gsf, jbrinley, kgs, ksclarke, mbklein, mjg_, royt, scolford, wickr, zoia 2009-02-24 00:49:28 anarchivist @knows MrDys anarchivist 2009-02-24 00:49:29 zoia anarchivist: MrDys does not know anarchivist, but anarchivist knows MrDys. 2009-02-24 00:49:49 anarchivist ok i need tou stopgbv playing w rdf and go to bed 2009-02-24 00:50:19 anarchivist ugh 2009-02-24 00:52:52 lbjay @know lbjay 2009-02-24 00:52:53 zoia lbjay: (know [] ) -- Associates the given URI with the given nick. If the nick already has a URI, it will be forgotten. Defaults to the calling user. 2009-02-24 00:53:38 lbjay @know lbjay http://blog.reallywow.com/foaf#me 2009-02-24 00:53:39 zoia lbjay: lbjay's URI is now 2009-02-24 00:53:49 dchud i know this is a mistake... but i'm firing up nodebox. 2009-02-24 00:54:17 MrDys anyone happen to know where breakfast is? I like to know where I need to stumble to in the a.m.m 2009-02-24 00:55:14 lbjay @later tell edsu you should've gone with the smoked cheddar popcorn. this shit is good 2009-02-24 00:55:15 zoia lbjay: The operation succeeded. 2009-02-24 00:55:50 anarchivist MrDys: let me know if u find out 2009-02-24 00:55:58 anarchivist anarchivist had too much naragansett 2009-02-24 00:56:10 lbjay anarchivist smells like people 2009-02-24 00:56:17 anarchivist lbjay++ 2009-02-24 00:57:59 MrDys dear providence, stop being cold. 2009-02-24 00:58:14 anarchivist MrDys: apparently, you didnot drink enuf naragansett 2009-02-24 00:58:56 lbjay naragasett is necessary for survival 2009-02-24 00:59:31 lbjay that and smoked cheddar popcorn 2009-02-24 01:00:01 anarchivist lbjay: where did you get that smoked cheddar popcorn 2009-02-24 01:00:08 lbjay anarchivist: front desk 2009-02-24 01:00:21 lbjay this_hotel++ 2009-02-24 01:00:31 anarchivist lbjay: remind me of that for tomorrow :) 2009-02-24 01:00:38 lbjay anarchivist: will do 2009-02-24 01:01:57 anarchivist unfortunately i don't think there's anymore dance music in PVD this week 2009-02-24 01:50:58 jaf @quote random 2009-02-24 01:50:59 zoia jaf: Quote #822: " any jerk that says notepad is all i need to code with is either a shitty programmer or a fucking moron" (added by ksclarke at 03:51 PM, April 10, 2007) 2009-02-24 01:52:59 rangi yeah, use vim you morons 2009-02-24 01:53:14 dchud jaf! 2009-02-24 04:18:40 zoia New news from planetcode4lib: Schmidt, Aaron: catalog cards find another, shorter life 2009-02-24 07:41:23 ejk coffee++ 2009-02-24 07:42:08 BillDueber Is irc on the hotel network borked/blocked? 2009-02-24 07:42:13 BillDueber Also, google keeps telling me... 2009-02-24 07:42:14 BillDueber We're sorry... ... but your query looks similar to automated requests from a computer virus or spyware application. To protect our users, we can't process your request right now. 2009-02-24 07:49:08 zoia New news from planetcode4lib: Panlibus (Talis): A look through the Grid at Code4lib 2009-02-24 07:53:27 BillDueber Is there a secret to running an irc client on the hotel network? 2009-02-24 07:55:53 BillDueber @know BillDueber http://billdueber.com/foaf.rdf#me 2009-02-24 07:55:54 zoia BillDueber: BillDueber's URI is now 2009-02-24 07:56:31 ejk BillDueber: I'm ssh'ed into a screen session on a server and running IRC from there 2009-02-24 07:57:36 BillDueber ejk: Well, as long as it's easy... Is the hotel blocking high ports? 2009-02-24 07:58:41 ejk I think I'm only using 22 and 80 2009-02-24 08:01:15 lbjay BillDueber: good to know you're getting that too 2009-02-24 08:01:20 lbjay BillDueber: from gmail 2009-02-24 08:02:30 lbjay BillDueber: and yes re: the high ports i think. some folks were having problems yesterday 2009-02-24 08:02:33 ejk I just found that the gmail pane of iGoogle works 2009-02-24 08:03:31 edsu are you guys down in the ballroom already? 2009-02-24 08:04:13 lbjay edsu: still drinking coffee in my room 2009-02-24 08:04:50 lbjay does anyone have an alarm clock in their room? I am sans clock 2009-02-24 08:05:23 ejk ejk is still in room, looking at alarm clock 2009-02-24 08:06:05 edsu yea, there is an alarm clock in here 2009-02-24 08:07:11 edsu lbjay: heheh re: smoked cheddar 2009-02-24 08:07:47 lbjay edsu: heheh re: you eating that entire bag in < 10 minutes last night 2009-02-24 08:08:32 edsu i was a drunken fool by that point 2009-02-24 08:09:01 akorphan BREEKFUST 2009-02-24 08:09:42 lbjay edsu: crawl.py is very io-intensive. i got an auto-notice from my linode that my disk IO was way up. 2009-02-24 08:10:38 lbjay s/crawl.py/BDB/ 2009-02-24 08:10:41 akorphan i still don't show up on the crawl. I think cazzerson's foaf.rdf might be borked somehow. 2009-02-24 08:11:44 JodiS lbjay: awesome food downstairs--fruit, muffins, bagels, coffee & tea 2009-02-24 08:11:56 JodiS lbjay: we have an alarm clock... odd that you don't 2009-02-24 08:12:02 akorphan the honeydew is actually the right amount of ripe! 2009-02-24 08:12:11 lbjay lbjay goes to get ready 2009-02-24 08:16:04 JodiS rsinger: the handel 'whatever' room wasn't actually open last night... was dark 2009-02-24 08:16:44 MrDys JodiS: where's the food? 2009-02-24 08:16:47 BillDueber_ BillDueber_ actually got ssh tunnels to work. First time eva 2009-02-24 08:16:50 JodiS mbklein++ 2009-02-24 08:16:57 JodiS error messages FTW! 2009-02-24 08:17:58 kgs off to eat a continent! 2009-02-24 08:18:12 JodiS /topic #c4l09 Monday: continental breakfast 7:45-8:45, welcomes starting at 8:45. Join us in the ballroom. 2009-02-24 08:19:39 akorphan If you go to the Temple restaurant, there's some graffiti at the entrance. You should check it out and admire it because it's graffiti that was preserved from when the building was an empty husk of a Masonic temple. 2009-02-24 08:20:15 JodiS MrDys: outside the ballroom 2009-02-24 08:20:26 JodiS graffiti_preservation++ 2009-02-24 08:20:52 JodiS akorphan: does zoia @know you? 2009-02-24 08:21:06 akorphan @knows akorphan 2009-02-24 08:21:07 zoia akorphan: (knows ) -- Determines if the two given nicks know each other based on their registered FOAFs. 2009-02-24 08:21:14 akorphan @known akorphan 2009-02-24 08:21:15 zoia akorphan: akorphan's URI is 2009-02-24 08:21:23 fak3r @knows fak3r 2009-02-24 08:21:23 zoia fak3r: (knows ) -- Determines if the two given nicks know each other based on their registered FOAFs. 2009-02-24 08:21:50 fak3r @known fak3r 2009-02-24 08:21:51 zoia fak3r: I don't know fak3r's URI 2009-02-24 08:22:12 fak3r JodiS: how do I tell zoia my foaf uri? 2009-02-24 08:22:27 JodiS @know username uri 2009-02-24 08:22:29 zoia JodiS: Error: 'uri' is not a valid url. 2009-02-24 08:22:40 JodiS @forget username 2009-02-24 08:22:41 zoia JodiS: I didn't know username's URI anyway. 2009-02-24 08:22:47 akorphan zoia: so literal. 2009-02-24 08:22:48 zoia akorphan: wheedly-wheedly-whee! 2009-02-24 08:22:51 JodiS nice error messages! :) mbklein++ 2009-02-24 08:23:01 JodiS JodiS is a sucker for nice error msgs 2009-02-24 08:23:09 JodiS @list foaf 2009-02-24 08:23:11 zoia JodiS: forget, know, known, and knows 2009-02-24 08:23:23 JodiS @knows mbklein edsu 2009-02-24 08:23:24 zoia JodiS: I don't know edsu's URI 2009-02-24 08:23:30 JodiS @know 2009-02-24 08:23:31 zoia JodiS: (know [] ) -- Associates the given URI with the given nick. If the nick already has a URI, it will be forgotten. Defaults to the calling user. 2009-02-24 08:23:33 JodiS @known 2009-02-24 08:23:35 zoia zoia JodiS: I know URIs for the following users: BillDueber, JodiS, MrDys, akorphan, anarchivist, flighty, gsf, jbrinley, kgs, ksclarke, lbjay, mbklein, mjg_, royt, scolford, wickr, zoia 2009-02-24 08:23:39 akorphan can someone add me to their foaf so it'll see if I get crawled? 2009-02-24 08:23:44 JodiS @knows BillDueber scolford 2009-02-24 08:23:55 zoia JodiS: BillDueber and scolford do not know each other. 2009-02-24 08:24:11 JodiS @list todo 2009-02-24 08:24:13 zoia JodiS: add, change, remove, search, setpriority, and todo 2009-02-24 08:24:25 JodiS @add 2009-02-24 08:24:26 zoia JodiS: Error: The command "add" is available in the AudioScrobbler, Dunno, Herald, Poll, Praise, Quote, RSS, Todo, and WordStats plugins. Please specify the plugin whose command you wish to call by using its name as a command before "add". 2009-02-24 08:24:31 JodiS @add todo 2009-02-24 08:24:32 zoia JodiS: Error: The command "add" is available in the AudioScrobbler, Dunno, Herald, Poll, Praise, Quote, RSS, Todo, and WordStats plugins. Please specify the plugin whose command you wish to call by using its name as a command before "add". 2009-02-24 08:24:38 JodiS @todo add 2009-02-24 08:24:39 zoia JodiS: Error: You must be registered to use this command. If you are already registered, you must either identify (using the identify command) or add a hostmask matching your current hostmask (using the "hostmask add" command). 2009-02-24 08:25:36 JodiS @todo add 2009-02-24 08:25:37 zoia JodiS: (todo add [--priority=] ) -- Adds as a task in your own personal todo list. The optional priority argument allows you to set a task as a high or low priority. Any integer is valid. 2009-02-24 08:25:50 fak3r @know fak3r http://philcryer.com/foaf.rdf#me 2009-02-24 08:25:50 zoia fak3r: fak3r's URI is now 2009-02-24 08:25:58 fak3r JodiS: thanks! 2009-02-24 08:26:02 JodiS np! 2009-02-24 08:26:14 JodiS mbklein++ for hacking it up, IIUC 2009-02-24 08:26:32 ecorrado_ coffee! 2009-02-24 08:27:44 JodiS and juice (orange, apple, cranberry)... and tea 2009-02-24 08:29:09 ecorrado ecorrado gets up to go get more coffee 2009-02-24 08:29:30 akorphan coffee coffee coffee coffee coffee coffee coffee coffee coffee coffee coffee! 2009-02-24 08:29:54 fak3r strange, I cannot connect to irc.fak3r.com via clients (irssi/xchat) 2009-02-24 08:30:12 fak3r s/fak3r.com/freenode.net/g 2009-02-24 08:32:10 akorphan fak3r: Yeah, I had problems connecting directly to freenode. Apparently there's some alternate wireless configuration you can do on port 8000, but it takes some kind of extra setup steps, I think. 2009-02-24 08:32:33 JodiS has anybody managed to get an iphone on ipod touch onto the hotel network? 2009-02-24 08:33:27 fak3r akorphan: weird, worked a-ok for me yesterday, hope I have ssh out 2009-02-24 08:35:25 JodiS is anybody using trillium today? 2009-02-24 08:35:56 ecorrado JodiS: you need to call ibahn and have them do something to get the iPhone/itouch to work 2009-02-24 08:38:00 JodiS ecorrado: Jean says they know about it 2009-02-24 08:38:03 jbrinley blocked_ports-- 2009-02-24 08:38:10 JodiS blocked_ports-- 2009-02-24 08:38:13 timmcgeary hi room 2009-02-24 08:38:16 JodiS hi tim! 2009-02-24 08:38:20 timmcgeary hi Jodi 2009-02-24 08:38:21 jbrinley hi, timmcgeary 2009-02-24 08:38:28 ecorrado JodiS: timmcgeary can give you the itouch details 2009-02-24 08:38:30 timmcgeary hi jbrinley 2009-02-24 08:38:41 timmcgeary how did you know that? 2009-02-24 08:38:44 JodiS timmcgeary: did you get an itouch onto the wireless? 2009-02-24 08:38:49 timmcgeary yes 2009-02-24 08:38:57 timmcgeary you have to call the ibahn support 2009-02-24 08:39:05 timmcgeary it's a pain, but they do it pretty quickly 2009-02-24 08:39:16 timmcgeary for the conference room, it is 877-787-6266 2009-02-24 08:39:26 JodiS timmcgeary++ 2009-02-24 08:39:45 timmcgeary for the hotel room, call the number that is listed on the desk 2009-02-24 08:40:14 JodiS cool, can't get service in the ballroom, but will make that call later 2009-02-24 08:40:29 JodiS do we have a "wireless tips" page for the conference yet? 2009-02-24 08:40:40 timmcgeary there is a courtesy phone just outside the ballroom by the registration desk 2009-02-24 08:40:45 timmcgeary just ask the operator to connect you 2009-02-24 08:40:50 timmcgeary that's what I did 2009-02-24 08:40:51 jbrinley JodiS: you can probably just add it to the conference buzz page 2009-02-24 08:41:09 timmcgeary what's that URL, I can add the iPod/iTouch thing 2009-02-24 08:41:10 jbrinley JodiS: http://wiki.code4lib.org/index.php/Conference_Buzz 2009-02-24 08:41:24 JodiS timmcgeary++ 2009-02-24 08:41:28 JodiS jbrinley++ 2009-02-24 08:41:53 dchud hey i can only connect to irc over mibbit. do i need to tell my regular chat client to use an alt port or something? 2009-02-24 08:42:07 anarchivist dchud: try port 8000 2009-02-24 08:42:09 kat3 dchud: i'm having the same problem 2009-02-24 08:42:17 anarchivist i'm using card.freenode.net 2009-02-24 08:42:29 dchud ok trying 2009-02-24 08:42:49 MrDys mmmmmmibbit 2009-02-24 08:43:18 jbrinley anyone know how to tell x-chat to use port 8000? 2009-02-24 08:43:46 jbrinley /server card.freenode.net:8000 gives me "Unknown host. Maybe you misspelled it?" 2009-02-24 08:43:53 timmcgeary is the buzz page using the same login as the code4lib website? 2009-02-24 08:43:57 MrDys jbrinley: space 8000 2009-02-24 08:44:04 anarchivist timmcgeary: nope 2009-02-24 08:44:05 MrDys jbrinley: /server card.freenode.net 8000 2009-02-24 08:44:12 jbrinley ah, space 2009-02-24 08:44:18 JodiS @later tell ksclarke I've got the audio recorder if you want to use it today 2009-02-24 08:44:19 zoia JodiS: The operation succeeded. 2009-02-24 08:44:22 timmcgeary so I create a new account, ok 2009-02-24 08:44:31 wickr timmcgeary: yeah, separate account 2009-02-24 08:49:56 JodiS timmcgeary: account integration would be nice, but is beyond our aims :( 2009-02-24 08:49:56 timmcgeary understand that 2009-02-24 08:49:56 JodiS royt calls us to order, precisely on time 2009-02-24 08:49:56 kat3 fine, i'll use mibbit 2009-02-24 08:49:56 dchud anarchivist: which server did you say again? 2009-02-24 08:49:56 dchud host i mean. er same thing 2009-02-24 08:49:56 anarchivist dchud: i'm card.freenode.net 2009-02-24 08:49:56 anarchivist dchud: there's something wonky with some of the freenode servers; they don't all accept the alt port 2009-02-24 08:49:56 akorphan think about all the ad revenue mibbit is getting. 2009-02-24 08:49:56 timmcgeary maybe on time, but I don't think we are ordered. :) 2009-02-24 08:49:56 jbrinley card.freenode.net didn't work for me 2009-02-24 08:49:56 JodiS @last from anarchivist 2009-02-24 08:49:56 zoia JodiS: (last [--{from,in,on,with,without,regexp} ] [--nolimit]) -- Returns the last message matching the given criteria. --from requires a nick from whom the message came; --in requires a channel the message was sent to; --on requires a network the message was sent on; --with requires some string that had to be in the message; --regexp requires a regular expression the message must match; --nolimit returns all the (1 more message) 2009-02-24 08:49:56 MrDys lieb 2009-02-24 08:49:56 dchud card. ok cool 2009-02-24 08:49:56 zoia New news from planetcode4lib: Chudnov, Dan: code4lib 2009 talk on caching and proxying linked data || Chudnov, Dan: Things Nobody Wants to Say, Part One 2009-02-24 08:49:56 MrDys MC Tennant 2009-02-24 08:49:56 abarrera knew him when he had royt diapers 2009-02-24 08:49:56 anarchivist from royt diapers roythong 2009-02-24 08:49:56 anarchivist s/diapers /diapers to 2009-02-24 08:49:56 dchud bah, not working. oh well. 2009-02-24 08:50:19 timmcgeary iPhone/iTouch info add to Conference Buzz wiki 2009-02-24 08:51:24 anarchivist teh internets should be free 2009-02-24 08:51:28 jrochkind100 other people are getting into irc from the conference net? 2009-02-24 08:51:30 jrochkind100 Not for me. 2009-02-24 08:51:35 abarrera i'm in 2009-02-24 08:51:35 jrochkind100 "400: Bad Request ( The data is invalid. )" Weird. 2009-02-24 08:51:37 anarchivist jrochkind100: i am 2009-02-24 08:51:39 MrDys workin for me 2009-02-24 08:51:44 fak3r ya, 8000 not open...time to whip out nmap 2009-02-24 08:51:49 jrochkind100 Weird. 2009-02-24 08:51:50 fak3r iphone users? bah 2009-02-24 08:52:02 kat3 theyre the coolest 2009-02-24 08:52:13 fak3r first-timers ftw! 2009-02-24 08:52:20 MrDys fak3r: your distain, so rich and thick you could drizzle it on pancakes 2009-02-24 08:52:23 JodiS "To connect with the ibahn_conf wireless on iPhone or iTouch, you need to call the iBahn Conference Technical Support at 877-787-6266. It is best to have the main hotel phone # to reference: 401-919-5000. " 2009-02-24 08:52:34 JodiS thanks timmcgeary++ 2009-02-24 08:52:39 timmcgeary yw 2009-02-24 08:52:48 fak3r I'm #1! 2009-02-24 08:52:50 wickr oh that's what the #1 is 2009-02-24 08:53:00 lbjay lbjay rejects the clique-ish lable 2009-02-24 08:53:05 abarrera mine says --1 2009-02-24 08:53:28 timmcgeary is that half the room? 2009-02-24 08:53:33 rjw royt rock god! 2009-02-24 08:53:37 jchphilly More than. 2009-02-24 08:54:17 lbjay mjg_: you're sitting pretty far forward today. isn't there a seat on the other side of that table? 2009-02-24 08:54:40 mjg_ lbjay++ 2009-02-24 08:54:44 fak3r mjg_ got one up here, 2nd table from the left, front row 2009-02-24 08:54:45 anarchivist my tummy does not like the breakfast this mrning 2009-02-24 08:54:47 jrochkind100 bah, I can connect to freenode, but then it tells me "400: Bad Request ( The data is invalid. )" and disconnects me. 2009-02-24 08:54:57 fak3r anarchivist++ 2009-02-24 08:54:57 mjg_ thank goodness for mibbit. 2009-02-24 08:55:09 fak3r mjg_++ 2009-02-24 08:55:13 kat3 mjg_:yeees 2009-02-24 08:55:14 jrochkind100 i want photos of anarchivist drinking again 2009-02-24 08:55:15 timmcgeary clique-ish -- 2009-02-24 08:55:27 anarchivist jrochkind100: be prepared for pictures of my mansweat 2009-02-24 08:55:30 MrDys @sing new kids on the block : hangin tough 2009-02-24 08:55:32 fak3r "...another short little thing" hmmm... 2009-02-24 08:55:33 zoia MrDys: No lyrics for hangin tough by new kids on the block. Searched lyricwiki & lyricsty 2009-02-24 08:55:35 BillDueber BillDueber just added basic info on ssh port forwarding to http://wiki.code4lib.org/index.php/Conference_Buzz 2009-02-24 08:55:41 MrDys zoia, stop disappointing me 2009-02-24 08:55:42 zoia MrDys: I don't mean to be a dick, but rtfm 2009-02-24 08:55:48 mjg_ royt is less equal than all of us. 2009-02-24 08:55:54 akorphan akorphan is taking much to long to calculate a regression curve on the relationship between Mark Twain's charity and his impatience. 2009-02-24 08:56:10 lbjay BillDueber++ 2009-02-24 08:56:13 mjg_ royt is less equal than his mustache. 2009-02-24 08:56:18 abarrera royt++ 2009-02-24 08:56:19 fak3r mjg_: damn! 2009-02-24 08:56:29 abarrera he's the one with bacon on his neck 2009-02-24 08:56:35 jbrinley @karma mjg_ 2009-02-24 08:56:35 zoia jbrinley: Karma for "mjg_" has been increased 44 times and decreased 4 times for a total karma of 40. 2009-02-24 08:56:37 ecorrado mjg_:-- 2009-02-24 08:56:38 BillDueber @karma mjgiarlo 2009-02-24 08:56:39 zoia BillDueber: Karma for "mjgiarlo" has been increased 1159 times and decreased 107 times for a total karma of 1052. 2009-02-24 08:56:41 jrochkind100 way to fight cliquishness with in jokes. 2009-02-24 08:56:49 abarrera mjgiarlo-- 2009-02-24 08:56:52 Baroquem I like this font. 2009-02-24 08:56:55 MrDys anarchivist will explain it all in a minute 2009-02-24 08:56:56 ecorrado jrochkind100++ 2009-02-24 08:57:06 fak3r mjg_ rolls a 14 and strikes down a grue! 2009-02-24 08:57:13 fak3r font++ 2009-02-24 08:57:15 eom It seems to be the font selected by the logo designer! I like it too. 2009-02-24 08:57:28 rsinger http://foam.lib.muohio.edu/roy_thong.jpeg 2009-02-24 08:57:33 fak3r eom: new logo is great imo 2009-02-24 08:57:36 jbrinley font: Centabel Book 2009-02-24 08:57:50 zoia ALL RISE 2009-02-24 08:57:51 mjg_ I'm lobbying to get a shot of roy's thong in every single presentation. 2009-02-24 08:57:51 MrDys centabel...sounds like a champagne 2009-02-24 08:57:58 BillDueber code4lib needs a benevolent dictator 2009-02-24 08:58:01 timmcgeary rsinger++ 2009-02-24 08:58:02 lbjay we fall back on oligarchy 2009-02-24 08:58:05 fak3r mis-spelling noted 2009-02-24 08:58:06 ecorrado voting++ 2009-02-24 08:58:07 jbrinley mjg_++ 2009-02-24 08:58:18 dchud rsinger, diebold champion 2009-02-24 08:58:20 anarchivist "i don't vote, i'm an anarchist" 2009-02-24 08:58:31 MrDys @hosts 2010 2009-02-24 08:58:32 edsu @hosts2010 2009-02-24 08:58:32 zoia MrDys: maybe the batcat ate your baby 2009-02-24 08:58:34 zoia edsu: Asheville, NC [185]; Austin, TX [165]; Madison, WI [145]; Columbus, OH [104]; Bloomington, IN [76] 2009-02-24 08:58:41 lbjay round_tables-- 2009-02-24 08:58:43 fak3r font download: http://www.urbanfonts.com/fonts/Centabel_Book.htm 2009-02-24 08:58:47 mjg_ ksclarke++ JodiS++ 2009-02-24 08:58:54 fak3r lbjay++ 2009-02-24 08:58:55 anarchivist anarchy in the code4libk 2009-02-24 08:58:56 timmcgeary Did Columbus lose votes from last year? 2009-02-24 08:59:03 BigD is this thing on? 2009-02-24 08:59:03 BigD ;) 2009-02-24 08:59:04 mjg_ royt++ # haha! 2009-02-24 08:59:06 jbrinley @hosts2009 2009-02-24 08:59:06 abarrera @hosts2009 2009-02-24 08:59:07 zoia jbrinley: Brown University/Providence, Rhode Island [269]; Columbus, OH [225]; Southeast Florida [176]; Bahía Blanca, Argentina [105] 2009-02-24 08:59:08 dchud this would be the annual moment when the code4lib.org site stops working 2009-02-24 08:59:08 zoia abarrera: Brown University/Providence, Rhode Island [269]; Columbus, OH [225]; Southeast Florida [176]; Bahía Blanca, Argentina [105] 2009-02-24 08:59:15 anarchivist @hosts2011 2009-02-24 08:59:16 zoia anarchivist: Big Sandy, Wyoming [80]; Blueballs, Pennsylvania [79]; Cold Water, Mississippi [56]; Climax, North Carolina [16]; Hooker, Arkansas [13] 2009-02-24 08:59:16 MrDys @hosts2012 2009-02-24 08:59:18 zoia MrDys: you might want to try the ghost whisperer - http://www.cyberglass.biz/customflash/ghostwhisperer/ 2009-02-24 08:59:22 wickr dchud: hush 2009-02-24 08:59:29 rsinger @dict sanctimony 2009-02-24 08:59:29 fak3r how much bandwidth can this network handle? 2009-02-24 08:59:31 zoia rsinger: wn, gcide, and moby-thes responded: wn: sanctimony n : the quality of being hypocritically devout [syn: {sanctimoniousness}]; gcide: Sanctimony \Sanc"ti*mo*ny\, n. [L. sanctimonia, fr. sanctus holy: cf. OF. sanctimonie. See {Saint}.] Holiness; devoutness; scrupulous austerity; sanctity; especially, outward or artificial saintliness; assumed or pretended holiness; hypocritical devoutness. [1913 Webster] Her (3 more messages) 2009-02-24 08:59:32 lbjay lbjay regrets not grabbing a 2nd croissant 2009-02-24 08:59:41 akorphan sanctimony-- 2009-02-24 08:59:43 dchud wickr: i had to say it, that way nothing will happen :) 2009-02-24 08:59:50 JodiS jbrinley++ #re: logo matchmaking 2009-02-24 08:59:58 fak3r blessed, and we had a prayer? 2009-02-24 09:00:00 jbrinley royt++ 2009-02-24 09:00:00 abarrera royt++ 2009-02-24 09:00:00 kat3 royt++ 2009-02-24 09:00:01 edsu hahaha 2009-02-24 09:00:04 mjg_ pre-empt'd! 2009-02-24 09:00:05 timmcgeary royt++ 2009-02-24 09:00:06 edsu royt++ 2009-02-24 09:00:11 dchud attack them before they attack you! 2009-02-24 09:00:15 ecorrado royt++ 2009-02-24 09:00:24 kat3 we could get a group discount on thongs 2009-02-24 09:00:32 anarchivist bulk thong 2009-02-24 09:00:36 fak3r not funny-- 2009-02-24 09:00:40 kgs royt++ # the thong rules! 2009-02-24 09:00:41 mjg_ one thong enters, 250 people leave. 2009-02-24 09:00:43 jbrinley 2010 conference prizes 2009-02-24 09:00:48 JodiS royt++ 2009-02-24 09:00:49 kat3 mjg_: quickly 2009-02-24 09:00:56 abarrera the voting for columbus just took another hit 2009-02-24 09:01:00 lbjay yay, anarchivist++ 2009-02-24 09:01:01 eom after all, we all already have a ton of o'reilly books 2009-02-24 09:01:04 rsinger and, thus, my 20 minutes of fame are over 2009-02-24 09:01:05 JodiS @quote add one thong enters, 250 people leave. 2009-02-24 09:01:06 zoia JodiS: The operation succeeded. Quote #1717 added. 2009-02-24 09:01:09 BigD who's the club kid? 2009-02-24 09:01:12 fak3r dippy_duck url noted 2009-02-24 09:01:15 rsinger thanks everybody, i'm goin' back to TN 2009-02-24 09:01:16 MrDys BigD++ 2009-02-24 09:01:27 JodiS anarchivist++ 2009-02-24 09:01:41 ecorrado anagy++ 2009-02-24 09:01:48 dchud he's going to tell us we all need to go dancing isn't he 2009-02-24 09:01:58 abarrera or speed dating 2009-02-24 09:01:59 fak3r glassed look better on BigD - discuss. 2009-02-24 09:02:07 jbrinley @whoami 2009-02-24 09:02:07 zoia jbrinley: I don't recognize you. 2009-02-24 09:02:07 lbjay rule 1, look like that 2009-02-24 09:02:16 BigD blurry pic 2009-02-24 09:02:25 rsinger "Scared puppy" 2009-02-24 09:02:26 lbjay fierce! 2009-02-24 09:02:27 rsinger whatevs 2009-02-24 09:02:28 jbrinley @whoami 2009-02-24 09:02:29 zoia jbrinley: jbrinley 2009-02-24 09:02:32 edsu @ana fix shit at work 2009-02-24 09:02:33 fak3r he's squinting, that's why he got rid of those glasses 2009-02-24 09:02:34 zoia edsu: Fox rakish twit 2009-02-24 09:02:34 dchud aw such a cute little puppy he was 2009-02-24 09:02:37 BillDueber BillDueber gets that a lot. 2009-02-24 09:02:38 zoia Mortals! Tremble in fear, fer ye doom approaches! th' skies gunna burn, th' seven seas boil! He arr....oh, sorry thought it was someone else. 'tis just jtgorman. 2009-02-24 09:02:41 BigD that's not what he said to me 2009-02-24 09:03:10 rsinger @ana a pioneer of the industry 2009-02-24 09:03:11 zoia rsinger: Fine honesty repudiator 2009-02-24 09:03:16 mbklein We're an egalitario-clique 2009-02-24 09:03:17 BillDueber zoia++ 2009-02-24 09:03:20 ejk @karma mibbit 2009-02-24 09:03:21 zoia ejk: Karma for "mibbit" has been increased 4 times and decreased 1 time for a total karma of 3. 2009-02-24 09:03:21 akorphan thrift_mtwain(t) = -20.55 ln(t) + 82.29 2009-02-24 09:03:22 fak3r irc++ 2009-02-24 09:03:28 mbklein @ana we will miss you roy 2009-02-24 09:03:30 zoia mbklein: I, wisely lousy worm 2009-02-24 09:03:31 ecorrado big_words-- 2009-02-24 09:03:33 BigD http://twinkle.tapulous.com/index.php?hash=5e2b0b45608230043cef4fed02b25a798debeaee 2009-02-24 09:03:34 jtgorman jtgorman needs to read the last two code4lib journals 2009-02-24 09:03:37 lbjay @ana socail capital 2009-02-24 09:03:38 zoia lbjay: Social capital 2009-02-24 09:03:43 lbjay hah 2009-02-24 09:03:44 edsu i thought this was the masons meeting... 2009-02-24 09:03:45 lbjay lbjay-- 2009-02-24 09:03:46 fak3r Sean ftw 2009-02-24 09:03:49 BigD bacon! 2009-02-24 09:03:52 timmcgeary donuts++ 2009-02-24 09:03:53 JodiS edsu++ 2009-02-24 09:03:53 kat3 bacon maple log++ 2009-02-24 09:03:53 wickr what a motley crue 2009-02-24 09:03:53 zoia wickr: turn it up! 2009-02-24 09:03:56 dchud something "d" "o" "o" donuts 2009-02-24 09:03:59 mpark BigD++ 2009-02-24 09:04:00 lbjay BigD! 2009-02-24 09:04:02 abarrera bacon++ 2009-02-24 09:04:03 ecorrado bacon++ 2009-02-24 09:04:03 timmcgeary bacon++ 2009-02-24 09:04:03 jbrinley bacon++ 2009-02-24 09:04:07 ejk bacon++ 2009-02-24 09:04:08 BillDueber @karma bacon 2009-02-24 09:04:08 mbklein bacon++ 2009-02-24 09:04:09 zoia BillDueber: Karma for "bacon" has been increased 27 times and decreased 2 times for a total karma of 25. 2009-02-24 09:04:14 abrin bacon-- 2009-02-24 09:04:15 fak3r how do you use teh IRC chan? 2009-02-24 09:04:17 JodiS @quote add bacon is very, very central to our community 2009-02-24 09:04:18 zoia JodiS: The operation succeeded. Quote #1718 added. 2009-02-24 09:04:20 jrochkind100 no you can't. 2009-02-24 09:04:30 fak3r mibbit props 2009-02-24 09:04:36 dchud you all can have my bacon 2009-02-24 09:04:37 jbrinley jbrinley was fine connecting until this morning 2009-02-24 09:04:39 timmcgeary i want to use IRC through Pidgin, but I haven't gotten it to work 2009-02-24 09:04:39 ecorrado #beer++ 2009-02-24 09:04:45 timmcgeary beer++ 2009-02-24 09:04:49 kat3 kittens++ 2009-02-24 09:04:49 BillDueber does it give away free booze??? 2009-02-24 09:04:50 fak3r forget kittens, I want catz 2009-02-24 09:04:53 mouwd kittens++ 2009-02-24 09:04:53 MrDys meta_slides++ 2009-02-24 09:04:58 ecorrado meow 2009-02-24 09:05:04 mbklein Am I the only one who had to connect to IRC via ssh tunnel? I get a weird HTML-looking response when I try to connect on 6667 or 8000 2009-02-24 09:05:08 kgs that was even "my" kitten! 2009-02-24 09:05:11 jbrinley jbrinley wants a slide with a picture from earlier in this presentation 2009-02-24 09:05:11 g8tor anybody @ the code4lib conf want to talk about using Zope3/Grok or Plone? 2009-02-24 09:05:12 fak3r party pic 2009-02-24 09:05:21 abarrera kgs: demand royalties 2009-02-24 09:05:23 fak3r librarian's gone wild 2009-02-24 09:05:26 jbrinley mbklein: using mibbit now, didn't have a problem with ports yesterday 2009-02-24 09:05:26 mbklein What Mark's not saying is that he killed that kitten with his bare hands 2009-02-24 09:05:27 JodiS g8tor: yes, let's talk about zope and plone! 2009-02-24 09:05:28 khatar hello world 2009-02-24 09:05:32 BillDueber mbklein: I'm also under ssh tunnel. Hotel is blocking high ports (e.g., talk.google.com as well) 2009-02-24 09:05:38 jrochkind100 mbklein No, me too. 2009-02-24 09:05:38 dchud chesthairml-2.0 is going to be *awesome* 2009-02-24 09:05:42 JodiS g8tor: either a breakout session, if there's interest, or over lunch or something 2009-02-24 09:05:52 mbklein We should set up one tunnel and let everyone use it. :) 2009-02-24 09:05:57 JodiS mbklein++ 2009-02-24 09:06:03 akorphan jrochkind: yes, but what does it do? 2009-02-24 09:06:05 akorphan oh wait, that's RDF. 2009-02-24 09:06:14 rosy1280 got in to gchat and irc no problem...maybe try again? 2009-02-24 09:06:14 kat3 hey, my picture! 2009-02-24 09:06:16 fak3r mbklein: I can tunnel to my server over ssh 2009-02-24 09:06:25 ecorrado kat3++ 2009-02-24 09:06:34 g8tor JodiS: I replyed to you on the code4lib site but it just hasn't posted yet 2009-02-24 09:06:36 jrochkind100 I have tried many times, sadly. 2009-02-24 09:06:42 fak3r don't sit here, don't sit here... 2009-02-24 09:06:49 dchud i heard a disturbing sound! 2009-02-24 09:06:55 BillDueber "When I woke up this morning, I heard a distubring sound!" 2009-02-24 09:06:57 BillDueber dchud++ 2009-02-24 09:07:03 ejk I can attest to the booze angle, had fun last night at the brewery 2009-02-24 09:07:03 g8tor JodiS:where are you sitting? 2009-02-24 09:07:04 dchud :) 2009-02-24 09:07:05 fak3r dchud++ 2009-02-24 09:07:10 akorphan @karma kittens 2009-02-24 09:07:10 zoia akorphan: Karma for "kittens" has been increased 5 times and decreased 0 times for a total karma of 5. 2009-02-24 09:07:15 timmcgeary good brewery? 2009-02-24 09:07:16 fak3r ejk: good beer, slow food 2009-02-24 09:07:20 abarrera kittens-- 2009-02-24 09:07:28 fak3r timmcgeary: decent, go with the porter 2009-02-24 09:07:34 timmcgeary slow food -- 2009-02-24 09:07:35 rsinger spellcheck-- 2009-02-24 09:07:39 ecorrado abarrera: kittens are yummy 2009-02-24 09:07:41 JodiS g8tor: right hand side of room, from back enterance 2009-02-24 09:07:41 rsinger first slide, really? 2009-02-24 09:07:43 ejk company > beer >>> food 2009-02-24 09:07:44 ecorrado kitten_bacon++ 2009-02-24 09:07:48 dchud bookless? BOOKLESS? 2009-02-24 09:07:51 JodiS a comedy in 3 acts? 2009-02-24 09:07:54 dchud this should be interesting 2009-02-24 09:07:55 kgs union station was nice -- low-key and fabu macncheese 2009-02-24 09:07:56 JodiS dchud: paper bookless? 2009-02-24 09:07:58 fak3r first slide? a big dark to be honest. 2009-02-24 09:08:00 BillDueber ecorrado: Ummmmm. Smoked kitten. Yummmy. 2009-02-24 09:08:06 fak3r I'd like to hit Union station 2009-02-24 09:08:06 JodiS JodiS keeps hearing about macncheese 2009-02-24 09:08:13 JodiS JodiS reports BillDueber to buffy 2009-02-24 09:08:24 akorphan macncheese++ 2009-02-24 09:08:26 dchud hey maybe we can take the house lights down 20% 2009-02-24 09:08:36 rsinger that'd be helpful 2009-02-24 09:08:36 rjw union station ribs were challenging 2009-02-24 09:08:38 fak3r I keep seeing that as 'mancheese' and it's bothering me 2009-02-24 09:08:41 timmcgeary lights down, yes 2009-02-24 09:08:47 g8tor JodiS: I am @ the second table from the front on the left with the black hat 2009-02-24 09:08:49 rsinger my slides are going to be invisible at this light level 2009-02-24 09:08:50 akorphan Red Stripe has good mac n cheese 2009-02-24 09:08:53 mib_6d4dxbev agree... house lights down 20% is good 2009-02-24 09:08:54 rsinger LIKE MAGIC 2009-02-24 09:08:54 dchud nice! 2009-02-24 09:08:55 rsinger oh 2009-02-24 09:08:56 abarrera mjgiarlo: you still have your johnny rockets bacon 2009-02-24 09:08:57 rosy1280 boo 2009-02-24 09:08:58 dchud no back the other way! 2009-02-24 09:08:59 khatar is mike rylander here ? 2009-02-24 09:08:59 fak3r down pls 2009-02-24 09:09:00 dchud yes! 2009-02-24 09:09:01 rosy1280 yay 2009-02-24 09:09:03 anarchivist @hussein mancheese 2009-02-24 09:09:03 fak3r ahhh 2009-02-24 09:09:04 zoia anarchivist: Humane cheesiness 2009-02-24 09:09:11 escowles house_lights-- 2009-02-24 09:09:11 mib_6d4dxbev nice 2009-02-24 09:09:15 kgs miker_ is indeed here! I seen him with my own eyes 2009-02-24 09:09:17 jbrinley that's pretty good there 2009-02-24 09:09:18 BillDueber BillDueber needs more screen real estate badly. 2009-02-24 09:09:20 dchud hey maybe we could get a spinach feta omelet up here in the front 2009-02-24 09:09:31 lbjay khatar: that would be miker_ 2009-02-24 09:09:31 akorphan Can we hack zoia to adjust the light level based on its karma? 2009-02-24 09:09:32 BigD man, even less light in here? i can't take ma pitures 2009-02-24 09:09:40 dchud sorry BigD 2009-02-24 09:09:43 fak3r bah, just ship it 2009-02-24 09:09:49 rsinger hey, erikhatcher, can you leave stefano a couple minutes to talk? 2009-02-24 09:09:52 kgs oh oh... I fear for the last preso of the day if the room stays this dark ;) 2009-02-24 09:09:54 kat3 BigD: we'll be flashing like paparazzi 2009-02-24 09:10:08 rjw any body got a follow-spot we can use 2009-02-24 09:10:10 dchud look out, BigD has a speedlight! 2009-02-24 09:10:17 timmcgeary darkness -- 2009-02-24 09:10:19 lbjay keynoters_in_ripped_jeans+- 2009-02-24 09:10:25 khatar thx guies 2009-02-24 09:10:27 akorphan Apparently it's only *approximately* Stefano. 2009-02-24 09:10:27 fak3r fak3r wishes he would have brought his laser pointer 2009-02-24 09:10:30 rosy1280 no i can see stefano 2009-02-24 09:10:30 JodiS nice way to pull in the intro! :) 2009-02-24 09:10:32 dchud ok the lights are good leave 'em where they are! 2009-02-24 09:10:39 khatar miker_, i have to talk to you 2009-02-24 09:10:56 jtgorman jtgorman wonders if he should even be in channel today... 2009-02-24 09:11:09 fak3r how now brown cow? 2009-02-24 09:11:18 fak3r jtgorman: yes, we need you here 2009-02-24 09:11:19 kgs left projector needs tweaking for contrast 2009-02-24 09:11:22 dchud edsu, mjgialo: NOOOOOOOOOO! 2009-02-24 09:11:22 khatar (and i'm in the room ) 2009-02-24 09:11:27 dchud that was mjgiarlo 2009-02-24 09:11:28 fak3r kgs++ 2009-02-24 09:11:29 MrDys lbjay: what kind of pro shop do you think we're running here 2009-02-24 09:11:35 kgs could be a dying bulb 2009-02-24 09:11:36 lbjay up to 89 nicks 2009-02-24 09:11:37 BigD i hate using my flash 2009-02-24 09:11:45 anarchivist MrDys++ 2009-02-24 09:11:52 abarrera BigD: please don't flash anyone 2009-02-24 09:11:58 anarchivist BigD: don't flash me 2009-02-24 09:12:01 ecorrado it is mardi gras 2009-02-24 09:12:02 anarchivist abarrera++ 2009-02-24 09:12:09 dchud abarrera++ 2009-02-24 09:12:14 akorphan beads++ 2009-02-24 09:12:15 rsinger ecorrado++ 2009-02-24 09:12:24 kgs Lent... catch the fever 2009-02-24 09:12:38 fak3r kgs++ 2009-02-24 09:12:39 BigD it's lent? 2009-02-24 09:12:40 timmcgeary fastnacht day 2009-02-24 09:12:44 kat3 i'm out of beads 2009-02-24 09:12:45 timmcgeary tomorrow is lent 2009-02-24 09:12:47 kat3 sorry 2009-02-24 09:12:47 rsinger BigD: tommorrow 2009-02-24 09:12:49 BigD let me know when you get it back! har har 2009-02-24 09:12:51 BillDueber BigD: Ash wednesday is tomorrow. 2009-02-24 09:12:53 kat3 tomorrow is Ash Wednesday 2009-02-24 09:12:56 ecorrado ecorrado gives up not drinking beer for lent 2009-02-24 09:12:57 timmcgeary today is fastnacht day 2009-02-24 09:12:58 JodiS wow, bringing information theory and Info sci together. :) 2009-02-24 09:13:02 timmcgeary aka donut day 2009-02-24 09:13:03 anarchivist paczki++ 2009-02-24 09:13:10 BillDueber BillDueber gives up Christianity for Lent. 2009-02-24 09:13:15 JodiS ecorrado: not drinking beer? you got a problem with that? 2009-02-24 09:13:20 dchud JodiS: it's tuesday :) 2009-02-24 09:13:21 fak3r is this still the first act? 2009-02-24 09:13:26 kgs hmmm... if the guy in front of me would take off his head I could tilt the camera toward the other slides 2009-02-24 09:13:32 JodiS yes: history 2009-02-24 09:13:43 ecorrado JodiS: I'm giving up not drinking ,which means i need to drink more 2009-02-24 09:13:46 BigD off with his head! 2009-02-24 09:13:49 dchud kgs: i think gsf has a python library for that 2009-02-24 09:14:07 anarchivist import antigravity 2009-02-24 09:14:10 JodiS cave portability 2009-02-24 09:14:15 edsu cave.py 2009-02-24 09:14:21 fak3r JodiS: might be the answer 2009-02-24 09:14:22 JodiS error: library not found 2009-02-24 09:14:31 fak3r mv cave /tmp 2009-02-24 09:14:32 akorphan Whoa, mind reaidng. 2009-02-24 09:14:34 ecorrado cavexml 2009-02-24 09:14:36 rsinger spelunkr 2009-02-24 09:14:37 kgs srsly it would be good to get AV to check that bulb over the break because those are the slides that will be synced to the speaker 2009-02-24 09:14:38 mpark cave writings parser 2009-02-24 09:14:42 JodiS JodiS still needs to look at Smith's clay tablets 2009-02-24 09:14:52 fak3r cave drawing ocr? 2009-02-24 09:14:54 rosy1280 parchment! 2009-02-24 09:14:54 kat3 glue is awesome 2009-02-24 09:14:55 jtgorman reminds me of one of my more pointless possible research project.... 2009-02-24 09:14:56 JodiS kgs: will you follow up on that. sounds impt! 2009-02-24 09:14:57 akorphan Not as heavy as caves! 2009-02-24 09:15:09 jtgorman using the CAVE to create a 3-d catalog interface 2009-02-24 09:15:12 kgs it's readable but not so good 2009-02-24 09:15:14 ejk spoiler: printing press 2009-02-24 09:15:14 edsu less persistent 2009-02-24 09:15:23 paulalbert fiber: better for wiping than clay tablets 2009-02-24 09:15:27 BigD ejk dammit! 2009-02-24 09:15:32 timmcgeary ejk-- 2009-02-24 09:15:34 JodiS I really like the attention to affordances 2009-02-24 09:15:36 ejk damn 2009-02-24 09:15:37 anarchivist u can't multitouch this 2009-02-24 09:15:48 fak3r ejk++ 2009-02-24 09:15:48 fak3r only cost about a dollar? 2009-02-24 09:15:54 kgs JodiS want to -- is Jean watching a bb or something? 2009-02-24 09:15:56 fak3r anarchivist++ 2009-02-24 09:16:03 BigD i'd buy that for a dollar 2009-02-24 09:16:19 JodiS no, but I see her 2009-02-24 09:16:29 mib_6d4dxbev spoiler alert: internets!!! 2009-02-24 09:16:32 kgs what's her 20? 2009-02-24 09:16:38 jtgorman jtgorman can't find a good url about the Beckman cave and has better things to do 2009-02-24 09:16:43 JodiS kgs: slides on which side? or which bulb? 2009-02-24 09:16:52 timmcgeary damn spoilers 2009-02-24 09:16:55 fak3r mib_6d4dxbev: it's pronounced 'teh internets' 2009-02-24 09:17:15 fak3r hmm...chicken curry 2009-02-24 09:17:21 ejk @karma ejk 2009-02-24 09:17:22 kgs JodiS LJ projector -- definitely fainter than rh 2009-02-24 09:17:22 zoia ejk: Karma for "ejk" has been increased 1 time and decreased 1 time for a total karma of 0. 2009-02-24 09:17:22 BigD mib_6d4dxbev: try the /nick command? 2009-02-24 09:17:23 JodiS kgs: door on the rhs from the back enterence 2009-02-24 09:17:33 timmcgeary skipping through millenia 2009-02-24 09:17:43 JodiS kgs: LJ? 2009-02-24 09:17:44 zoia New news from planetcode4lib: Layton, Warren: Why netbooks are killing Microsoft 2009-02-24 09:17:45 fak3r I can see my website from here 2009-02-24 09:17:46 akorphan broadcast-- 2009-02-24 09:18:01 kgs s/LJ/LH 2009-02-24 09:18:10 dchud i never bought that claim 2009-02-24 09:18:21 dchud power is the unmentioned cost here 2009-02-24 09:18:28 rsinger dchud: agreed 2009-02-24 09:18:33 BigD and it's evil sister, cooling 2009-02-24 09:18:35 ecorrado dchud: yep... digital preservation is expensive 2009-02-24 09:18:35 rsinger dchud: maintenance, too 2009-02-24 09:18:38 BigD its 2009-02-24 09:18:38 JodiS kgs: ok, will transmit 2009-02-24 09:18:50 kgs JodiS++ 2009-02-24 09:18:52 chickmarkley http://www.alphabetvsgoddess.com/ 2009-02-24 09:18:53 BigD oh yeah, and the support staff - that'd be US 2009-02-24 09:19:01 akorphan films_stored_in_salt_mines++ 2009-02-24 09:19:14 mib_6d4dxbev back to the future? 2009-02-24 09:19:20 anarchivist archives want to be dark! 2009-02-24 09:19:29 khatar netbook don't kill ms at all ... it just make linux grow 2009-02-24 09:19:40 fak3r khatar++ 2009-02-24 09:19:54 fak3r twitter? ya, follow me if you'd like 2009-02-24 09:20:00 dchud i bet "power" appears on this slide 2009-02-24 09:20:03 fak3r eating 2009-02-24 09:20:12 anarchivist anarchivist starts tweeting uncontrollably 2009-02-24 09:20:14 BigD dchud: how much? 2009-02-24 09:20:28 jtgorman khatar: and Windows is already gaining a pretty impressive share of the netbooks, considering that there seemed to have been resistance on Microsoft part 2009-02-24 09:20:29 BigD we could start a whole slide prediction economy 2009-02-24 09:20:33 jbrinley designers++ 2009-02-24 09:20:53 dchud BigD: i'm already on it. but you could have bet that. 2009-02-24 09:20:54 abarrera he's going to use every power related word, but power 2009-02-24 09:20:58 fak3r I thought that was a new rule 2009-02-24 09:21:01 dchud does that count? 2009-02-24 09:21:14 anarchivist BigD: i'm taking wagers on how many of my slides use your photos as background images for my afternoon talk 2009-02-24 09:21:31 BigD anarchivist: cool! use all you want! 2009-02-24 09:21:37 kat3 it's very true, interfaces from 3-5 years ago are laughable already 2009-02-24 09:21:37 akorphan Next year, I'm distributing bingo cards. 2009-02-24 09:21:37 fak3r 20 yrs ago? how old does he think I am? 2009-02-24 09:21:44 khatar jtgorman, yep. I think that ms will keep his part of the market anywher 2009-02-24 09:21:47 fak3r I'm laughing right now 2009-02-24 09:21:51 khatar even in game console 2009-02-24 09:21:53 rsinger my iphone experience last night, looking up steve perry's solo work, wasn't exactly revolutionary 2009-02-24 09:22:06 timmcgeary keynote bingo 2009-02-24 09:22:07 fak3r oh, shari? 2009-02-24 09:22:10 ejk ejk is digging the background pitter-patter of keyboards clicking 2009-02-24 09:22:14 MrDys rsinger: some would even call it "sad" 2009-02-24 09:22:18 anarchivist rsinger: your problem is you need a business smartphone like a blackberry 2009-02-24 09:22:22 rsinger fak3r: "foolish heart" 2009-02-24 09:22:22 BigD HOLD ON... HOLD ON!!! 2009-02-24 09:22:28 khatar but i think diversity and choice is good: MS concurrence is still a good motor for OSS productivity 2009-02-24 09:22:32 fak3r rsinger: sweet 2009-02-24 09:22:42 rsinger edsu: speaking of -- you owe a beer 2009-02-24 09:22:48 BigD dammit, get steve perry out of my head 2009-02-24 09:22:53 fak3r khatar: I agree, MS isn't going away, but Mac/Lin will keep moving up 2009-02-24 09:22:54 BigD BigD hums some REO 2009-02-24 09:23:07 edsu i want the cave 2009-02-24 09:23:08 gsf only if the book is really pretty 2009-02-24 09:23:13 BillDueber BigD just went from bad to worse. 2009-02-24 09:23:15 fak3r BigD: you can tune a piano... 2009-02-24 09:23:26 BigD aw yeah 2009-02-24 09:23:28 dchud ...oh sherry... 2009-02-24 09:23:28 MrDys fak3r: worst album title ever 2009-02-24 09:23:31 jbrinley fak3r: not all pianos 2009-02-24 09:23:31 fak3r Steve Perry solo work < REO 2009-02-24 09:23:42 anarchivist BigD is the john goodman of the library tech world 2009-02-24 09:23:50 escowles 100 yrs? it looks awful today 2009-02-24 09:23:53 fak3r anarchivist++ 2009-02-24 09:23:54 jtgorman jtgorman keeps being tempted to get on Verizon's unlimited data plan, but is awfully cheap 2009-02-24 09:23:55 khatar yep ... and this will force ms to interoperability so we will really have the choice of our softwares 2009-02-24 09:24:04 BigD anarchivist: and you're my Roseanne 2009-02-24 09:24:04 anarchivist thank gsf for that one 2009-02-24 09:24:04 dchud anarchivist: don't make me start quoting barton fink again. 'cuz you know i will. 2009-02-24 09:24:08 jbrinley escowles: yes, awful today, but better than anything else 2009-02-24 09:24:09 rsinger jtgorman: me too 2009-02-24 09:24:09 abarrera anarchivist++ #cept he ate John Goodman 2009-02-24 09:24:10 fak3r quiet you! 2009-02-24 09:24:14 timmcgeary yelling from the room -- 2009-02-24 09:24:19 rsinger dchud: BECAUSE YOU DON'T 2009-02-24 09:24:21 dchud yelling++ 2009-02-24 09:24:23 rsinger dchud: FUCKING 2009-02-24 09:24:26 rsinger dchud: LISTEN 2009-02-24 09:24:27 jtgorman hopefully my next "phone" will have wireless access 2009-02-24 09:24:33 dchud haw haw! 2009-02-24 09:24:45 fak3r go museums! 2009-02-24 09:24:50 fak3r food4lib? 2009-02-24 09:24:57 khatar anarchivist was the speaker of the "have fun @ code4lib", right ? 2009-02-24 09:25:06 jtgorman I keep thinking "I could look up anything anywhere!"....or I could wait till we get home 2009-02-24 09:25:19 jtgorman although Colleen did get it as an experiment and occasionally I borrow her phone 2009-02-24 09:25:26 anarchivist anarchivist looks around the room nervously 2009-02-24 09:25:28 BigD abarrera: is my and goodman's turducken 2009-02-24 09:25:33 JodiS BigD: nice: "slide prediction economy" 2009-02-24 09:25:42 edsu lockss 2009-02-24 09:25:44 jtgorman jtgorman needs to figure out if there's a good browser for her phone cause the built in "web search" on Verizon phones stinks 2009-02-24 09:25:44 khatar anarchivist? where you ? 2009-02-24 09:25:46 ejk BigD: do you roll on shabbas? 2009-02-24 09:25:56 akorphan edsu: lockss is fundamentally a museum model, though 2009-02-24 09:25:57 anarchivist khatar: towards the front of the room 2009-02-24 09:26:03 fak3r vinyl++ 2009-02-24 09:26:03 gsf vinyl++ 2009-02-24 09:26:03 akorphan "lots of backups keeps stuff safe" 2009-02-24 09:26:04 rsinger akorphan: no it's not 2009-02-24 09:26:12 rjw vinyl LPs++ 2009-02-24 09:26:17 gsf fanatics++ 2009-02-24 09:26:18 fak3r fanatics? pleeeze 2009-02-24 09:26:22 edsu akorphan: huh, museums are alla about unique objects, not copies 2009-02-24 09:26:22 kat3 bibliophiles++ 2009-02-24 09:26:23 lbjay @rate museums libraries 2009-02-24 09:26:26 rsinger vinyl_LPs-- 2009-02-24 09:26:26 khatar anarchivist, sorry s/h// 2009-02-24 09:26:28 zoia lbjay: museums: 9.8; libraries: 9.9. libraries rocks! 2009-02-24 09:26:29 JodiS dchud: get rid of "physical non-unique copies" seems exactly contrary to "distribute lots of copies, keep your dependencies" (fro myour yesterday) 2009-02-24 09:26:31 edsu akorphan: no? 2009-02-24 09:26:33 dchud "books will go away" is kind of a cheap shot, i hope/expect he'll pull out something a little better. and talk about metaweb. 2009-02-24 09:26:39 akorphan edusu: I really mean in terms of the "preservation" sense. 2009-02-24 09:26:40 anarchivist anarchivist will be presiding over a turntablism breakout session later 2009-02-24 09:26:50 scolford dchud++ 2009-02-24 09:26:51 fak3r forking mentioned 2009-02-24 09:26:51 edsu akorphan: libraries don't care about preservation? 2009-02-24 09:26:52 abarrera jstroop: u there? 2009-02-24 09:26:55 khatar were you the guy of the funny talk ? 2009-02-24 09:27:01 BigD http://flickr.com/photos/bigdpix/2743474142/ 2009-02-24 09:27:03 khatar ok 2009-02-24 09:27:03 dchud the reason we have lots of non-unique copies is because those items are *popular* and we needed lots of copies 2009-02-24 09:27:05 akorphan and the "pretty things we don't touch" (unless there's some kind of e-crisis) sense. 2009-02-24 09:27:05 khatar anarchivist, ++ 2009-02-24 09:27:24 scolford "server cloud" -- if your library has a credit card 2009-02-24 09:27:26 bess umm... he knows this is CODE 4lib, right? This is reminding me of mid-1990s "the book is dead" hysteria 2009-02-24 09:27:27 dchud and we've been making cooperative buying/sharing/loan agreements for 300+ years 2009-02-24 09:27:28 fak3r less shelves, more racks 2009-02-24 09:27:37 rsinger @band add The Karma in the Margins 2009-02-24 09:27:38 zoia rsinger: Band 'The Karma in the Margins' added to list 2009-02-24 09:27:43 JodiS I was right with him, through the history piece 2009-02-24 09:27:45 Kerwick Books are dead?!??! 2009-02-24 09:27:47 gsf @quote add < khatar> were you the guy of the funny talk ? 2009-02-24 09:27:47 zoia gsf: The operation succeeded. Quote #1719 added. 2009-02-24 09:27:53 JodiS (what act is this?) 2009-02-24 09:27:59 ejk II 2009-02-24 09:28:00 fak3r JodiS: II 2009-02-24 09:28:11 JodiS BigD: awesome photo of you! 2009-02-24 09:28:11 cschx yawns 2009-02-24 09:28:14 zoia cschx: WAKE UP! 2009-02-24 09:28:15 BillDueber JodiS: Act of the apostles 2009-02-24 09:28:20 gsf khatar++ 2009-02-24 09:28:21 fak3r "latecomers will be seated at the discretion of the management" 2009-02-24 09:28:24 Kerwick Is Act III like Hamlet's? 2009-02-24 09:28:34 jbrinley the world will have more info by that point 2009-02-24 09:28:34 BillDueber 'Cause, you know, Moore's Law isn't ever going to slow down or anything. 2009-02-24 09:28:40 JodiS filtering is how we know what we want to read 2009-02-24 09:28:41 bess uh, no, in fact the world will never "literally" fit in your pocket. 2009-02-24 09:28:44 timmcgeary is that the whole world in your pocket or are you just happy to see me? 2009-02-24 09:28:45 BillDueber "every data"??? 2009-02-24 09:28:58 escowles every datum 2009-02-24 09:29:03 mbklein bess: Parachute pants notwithstanding 2009-02-24 09:29:10 akorphan I think Moore's Law Is Dead hysteria is about as frequent as The Book Is Dead hysteria 2009-02-24 09:29:11 scolford I would like to filter faulty or dangerous medical or financial information. Wouldn't you? 2009-02-24 09:29:16 BigD JodiS: oddly, that's actually John Goodman 2009-02-24 09:29:23 fak3r QUIET! 2009-02-24 09:29:27 rosy1280 metadata doesn't exist 2009-02-24 09:29:31 rosy1280 its just data 2009-02-24 09:29:46 rsinger zoia: you have anything to say about this? 2009-02-24 09:29:46 anarchivist anarchivist loves metadata 2009-02-24 09:29:48 zoia rsinger: Well, fry my feet for a couple of garfish, why don't you? 2009-02-24 09:29:49 kat3 i'll be talking with an electronic voicebox by then, but yes i could 2009-02-24 09:29:49 fak3r when is going to mention something about the cloud? 2009-02-24 09:29:57 edsu @stock GOOG 2009-02-24 09:29:59 BigD anarchivist should marry metadata 2009-02-24 09:30:00 zoia edsu: An error has occurred and has been logged. Please contact this bot's administrator for more information. 2009-02-24 09:30:02 skoczko loving metadata 2009-02-24 09:30:04 khatar lightning talk proposal: "write concise and readable perl code" 2009-02-24 09:30:07 rsinger edsu: OH NOES 2009-02-24 09:30:08 edsu &sigh; 2009-02-24 09:30:08 kgs iVia was already doing credible metadata and abstracting five years ago 2009-02-24 09:30:09 khatar interesting ? 2009-02-24 09:30:15 jtgorman jtgorman is guessing the keynote is striking dissonance tones 2009-02-24 09:30:16 JodiS kgs: what's iVia? 2009-02-24 09:30:26 edsu rosy1280++ 2009-02-24 09:30:26 dchud kat3: great now i've got peter frampton on my brain 2009-02-24 09:30:27 mbklein @foaf kgs interest 2009-02-24 09:30:28 zoia mbklein: kgs : http://dbpedia.org/resource/Writing, http://dbpedia.org/resource/Beer, http://dbpedia.org/Open_source_software, http://dbpedia.org/resource/Food, http://dbpedia.org/resource/Brewing, http://dbpedia.org/resource/Politics 2009-02-24 09:30:36 khatar (frommy own experience with librarian code) 2009-02-24 09:30:39 JodiS jtgorman: world of books in your pocket, book museums, getting rid of metadata--rely on full-text 2009-02-24 09:30:41 BigD in 50 years, we'll be inside the computers 2009-02-24 09:30:42 kgs JodiS it's portal software develped by Steve Mitchell et al at UC Riverside 2009-02-24 09:30:46 jbrinley mbklein++ 2009-02-24 09:30:47 skoczko Hi gus is any one using git as their dvcs? 2009-02-24 09:30:48 anarchivist @foaf anarchivist interest 2009-02-24 09:30:51 zoia i think there is a xslt crosswalk for that 2009-02-24 09:30:53 zoia anarchivist: anarchivist : http://dbpedia.org/resource/Mod_revival, http://dbpedia.org/resource/C86_%28music%29, http://dbpedia.org/resource/Python_%28programming_language%29, http://dbpedia.org/resource/Archival_science, http://dbpedia.org/resource/Metadata, http://dbpedia.org/resource/Beer, http://dbpedia.org/resource/Mod_%28lifestyle%29, http://dbpedia.org/resource/Digital_curation, (1 more message) 2009-02-24 09:30:57 gsf attack books all you want, but leave metadata alone 2009-02-24 09:31:06 abarrera BigD: i think they got rid of the room sized comps that would fit you 2009-02-24 09:31:07 zoia take my metadata, please? 2009-02-24 09:31:09 wtd skoczko: I use it a bit. 2009-02-24 09:31:12 epoz tis a bad sine that I find the IRC more interesting than the keynote. :-( 2009-02-24 09:31:12 dchud skoczko: i'm a bit bzr fan. git doesn't fit my brain very well. 2009-02-24 09:31:16 kat3 gsf++ 2009-02-24 09:31:21 dchud s/bit/big/ 2009-02-24 09:31:22 mbklein jbrinley: :) 2009-02-24 09:31:22 mbklein @knows mbklein anarchivist 2009-02-24 09:31:22 JodiS kgs: cool, found it 2009-02-24 09:31:23 anarchivist I ONLY AM INTERESTED IN REALIA 2009-02-24 09:31:25 zoia mbklein: mbklein knows anarchivist, but anarchivist does not know mbklein. 2009-02-24 09:31:28 fak3r epoz++ 2009-02-24 09:31:29 skoczko cause I plan do the a ltalk on git 2009-02-24 09:31:29 JodiS http://ivia.ucr.edu/index.shtml 2009-02-24 09:31:30 fak3r git++ 2009-02-24 09:31:42 BillDueber skoczko++ # do it 2009-02-24 09:31:43 anarchivist anarchivist is too much of a git t use git 2009-02-24 09:31:44 skoczko we use quite succesfulyy in our company 2009-02-24 09:31:47 bess shoczko: yes, please doa talk on git 2009-02-24 09:31:48 anarchivist s/t/to 2009-02-24 09:31:53 kgs yeah it's a profoundly interesting project 2009-02-24 09:31:55 jrochkind100 pretty sure 2009-02-24 09:31:56 jbrinley @foaf jbrinley depiction 2009-02-24 09:31:57 BillDueber @sing Monkees : Randy Souse Git 2009-02-24 09:31:57 zoia jbrinley: jbrinley : http://www.adeliedesign.com/wp/wp-content/uploads/2008/08/jon.png 2009-02-24 09:31:59 gsf mbklein++ jbrinley++ for @foaf 2009-02-24 09:32:00 zoia BillDueber: No lyrics for Randy Souse Git by Monkees. Searched lyricwiki & lyricsty 2009-02-24 09:32:05 mbklein mbklein wants to understand distributed version control. Help me, Obi-Wan. 2009-02-24 09:32:05 JodiS IT'S NOT A TRANSITION!!!! 2009-02-24 09:32:08 BigD epoz: welcome to c4l! ;) 2009-02-24 09:32:15 JodiS irc++ 2009-02-24 09:32:17 wtd skoczko: Excellent! 2009-02-24 09:32:18 anarchivist transitions_lenses-- 2009-02-24 09:32:30 jbrinley @known 2009-02-24 09:32:31 zoia zoia jbrinley: I know URIs for the following users: BillDueber, JodiS, MrDys, akorphan, anarchivist, fak3r, flighty, gsf, jbrinley, kgs, ksclarke, lbjay, mbklein, mjg_, royt, scolford, wickr, zoia 2009-02-24 09:32:32 epoz is anarchivist mentioning git in his DVCS talk? 2009-02-24 09:32:36 mbklein gsf++ for letting us run rampant over breaksalot.org :) 2009-02-24 09:32:37 anarchivist epoz: briefly 2009-02-24 09:32:41 skoczko ok, so at least two people will be interested :) 2009-02-24 09:32:45 mbklein @forget zoia 2009-02-24 09:32:46 zoia mbklein: Funny. Not. 2009-02-24 09:32:48 jtgorman jtgorman thinks non-library people as keynotes is always a gamble 2009-02-24 09:32:51 epoz ah, i see you mentioned that already 2009-02-24 09:32:52 bess hi, you must be new here. Yes, in fact, people have thought about some of this stuff before. Even in libraries. 2009-02-24 09:32:54 anarchivist epoz: git is too complicated and is officially not a DVCS 2009-02-24 09:32:58 dchud ok maybe now he's getting to metaweb. 2009-02-24 09:33:07 skoczko epoz: what are you taling about? 2009-02-24 09:33:10 anarchivist epoz: i'm too stupid to use git, so i use hg and bzr 2009-02-24 09:33:11 dchud hey, that's 100 people in here 2009-02-24 09:33:14 harmless if we get granular enough information, cyc will be really interesting... 2009-02-24 09:33:16 skoczko what do you mean not dvcs? 2009-02-24 09:33:17 kgs wherez kittenz? 2009-02-24 09:33:22 fak3r @foaf fak3r interest 2009-02-24 09:33:23 zoia fak3r: fak3r : http://dbpedia.org/resource/Indie_rock, http://dbpedia.org/resource/Erik_Estrada, http://dbpedia.org/resource/Open_source, http://dbpedia.org/resource/Art, http://dbpedia.org/resource/Geek, http://dbpedia.org/resource/Politics, http://dbpedia.org/resource/Jazz, cwQaxxQq793, http://dbpedia.org/resource/Yoga, http://dbpedia.org/resource/Beer, http://dbpedia.org/resource/Linux 2009-02-24 09:33:27 epoz i lean towards bzr iso git being a Python bigot 2009-02-24 09:33:32 mikeybe i.e metadata 2009-02-24 09:33:35 mikeybe ?? 2009-02-24 09:33:39 skoczko hg is a git fork, the usage is identical 2009-02-24 09:33:44 anarchivist STOP, DEMO TIME 2009-02-24 09:33:45 fak3r harmless: I used to know someone at Cyc - anyone using opencyc? 2009-02-24 09:33:49 timmcgeary demoing that books are dead? 2009-02-24 09:33:56 rsinger @dict cwQaxxQq793 2009-02-24 09:33:57 zoia rsinger: No definition for "cwQaxxQq793" could be found. 2009-02-24 09:34:10 MrDys freeeeeeeeeeeeeeebase 2009-02-24 09:34:14 BigD Ask a Librarian 2009-02-24 09:34:18 fak3r relvance? 2009-02-24 09:34:21 akorphan So... the semantic web is good for Jeopardy answers? 2009-02-24 09:34:26 timmcgeary 4 2009-02-24 09:34:29 fak3r akorphan: apparently 2009-02-24 09:34:32 dchud ...if only there were a company i work for that helps us answer these questions... 2009-02-24 09:34:33 harmless ...google 2009-02-24 09:34:38 edsu FREEBASE! 2009-02-24 09:34:41 BillDueber If you care about these questions, you need to rethink your life. 2009-02-24 09:34:42 dchud I WOULD GO TO THE LIBRARY 2009-02-24 09:34:45 anarchivist BigD: you put the SPARQL in my eyes 2009-02-24 09:34:47 BillDueber Except maybe the civil war one. 2009-02-24 09:34:50 edsu i would google it :) 2009-02-24 09:34:51 BigD i'd send a grant to MIT 2009-02-24 09:34:52 bess I would say, "you shoudl go ask a reference librarians. That's not my job." 2009-02-24 09:34:53 abarrera i'd use an encylopedia 2009-02-24 09:35:05 fak3r what is this book you speak of? 2009-02-24 09:35:07 eom Call a friend? Because polling the audience didn't work. 2009-02-24 09:35:10 rsinger "I would put the heroin in a spoon, put the lighter underneath it..." 2009-02-24 09:35:11 kat3 honesty++ 2009-02-24 09:35:17 akorphan I think the assertion that the degranularization from book to data leaves out the notion that *narrative* is a necessity for all kinds of reading, research, etc. 2009-02-24 09:35:21 timmcgeary wikipedia via google 2009-02-24 09:35:27 jrochkind100 send em to the reference desk 2009-02-24 09:35:27 akorphan If you need facts, sure, this is cool. 2009-02-24 09:35:29 anarchivist asnagy++ 2009-02-24 09:35:40 mbklein I'd ask in channel and wait for mjgiarlo to make some shit up. 2009-02-24 09:35:42 scolford akorphan++ 2009-02-24 09:35:44 mikeybe those were all googlable questions...books provide scope on arguments 2009-02-24 09:35:45 fak3r potatoe++ 2009-02-24 09:35:47 dchud mbklein++ 2009-02-24 09:35:49 jbrinley mbklein++ 2009-02-24 09:35:52 anarchivist freebasing++ 2009-02-24 09:35:55 akorphan akorphan_grammar-- 2009-02-24 09:35:55 kat3 kat3 just realized i'm sitting right next to one of the electronic speakers 2009-02-24 09:36:02 edsu it's crazy how much books are turning up in google reesults now 2009-02-24 09:36:07 edsu results 2009-02-24 09:36:07 mbklein I NEED ONLY ONE AUTHORITY AND HE WEARS A NECKBEARD 2009-02-24 09:36:09 mib_nch3tkl0 omg...I thought of freebase when he asked! 2009-02-24 09:36:23 mbklein Is there a term for a phonetic (not alphabetic) anagram? Anaphone? 2009-02-24 09:36:25 jrochkind100 he's stealing your talk, man. 2009-02-24 09:36:26 mikeybe with google we all feel like we are professionals on a topic in 3 minutes 2009-02-24 09:36:29 jrochkind100 is an electronic speaker like a robot? 2009-02-24 09:36:32 gsf trick question 2009-02-24 09:36:33 BigD way to bring us down 2009-02-24 09:36:34 khatar IMDB ! 2009-02-24 09:36:46 fak3r usa, usa! 2009-02-24 09:36:48 JodiS good to have him talking about freebase 2009-02-24 09:36:48 kat3 jrochkind100: yes but louder 2009-02-24 09:36:50 kevin7kal g8tor: I'm in this room as well 2009-02-24 09:36:59 fak3r should have pre-cached the images 2009-02-24 09:37:04 mbklein Al Obama? 2009-02-24 09:37:08 anarchivist anarchivist is too hungover for a history lesson 2009-02-24 09:37:11 BigD the french surrendered 2009-02-24 09:37:17 timmcgeary BigD++ 2009-02-24 09:37:29 fak3r freedom fries considered 2009-02-24 09:37:40 JodiS harmless: cyc is interesting. hope it'll come through with enough time 2009-02-24 09:37:42 BigD they are actually still in the confederacy 2009-02-24 09:37:42 anarchivist vimeo++ 2009-02-24 09:37:46 JodiS JodiS has a few friends who used to work for Cycorp 2009-02-24 09:37:49 dchud for every one of these questions, i know multiple librarians who would know hte answers off the top of their heads 2009-02-24 09:37:52 rosy1280 french fries are good for hangovers 2009-02-24 09:37:54 timmcgeary the French? 2009-02-24 09:38:03 anarchivist was that sosumi? 2009-02-24 09:38:18 akorphan rosy1280: Greasy food only provides temporary relief from hangovers 2009-02-24 09:38:25 fak3r linked to items? how? 2009-02-24 09:38:25 jbrinley dchud: can I have copies of those librarians? 2009-02-24 09:38:27 ejk sosumi++ 2009-02-24 09:38:29 rsinger dchud: that's a difficult model for web scale, though 2009-02-24 09:38:29 JodiS dchud: you know some awesome librarians 2009-02-24 09:38:32 mbklein Parallax is awesome, but all I really use it for is scaring the technophobic librarians. 2009-02-24 09:38:38 gsf dchud: this is eerily similar to desk set 2009-02-24 09:38:39 jrochkind100 the FIRST interface to allow this.... since DIALOG. 2009-02-24 09:38:53 akorphan Your liver just gets busy metabolizing the fat rather than the formaldehyde precursors causing the hangover for a while. 2009-02-24 09:38:58 JodiS JodiS needs to know more about DIALOG 2009-02-24 09:38:58 anarchivist dialog++ 2009-02-24 09:39:01 fak3r slow_searching++ 2009-02-24 09:39:02 dchud gsf: strange, all the clerks in the mailroom just got RAISES! 2009-02-24 09:39:06 jrochkind100 except without katherine hepburn. 2009-02-24 09:39:12 dchud and the rest of us have been LAID OFF! 2009-02-24 09:39:17 khatar grmbl! intrusive javascript :( 2009-02-24 09:39:21 wtd bunnywatson++ 2009-02-24 09:39:22 mbklein Our print reference collection doesn't slow down with use. 2009-02-24 09:39:29 fak3r ...buffering... 2009-02-24 09:39:29 kat3 jrochkind100: then what's the point? :( 2009-02-24 09:39:35 dchud JodiS: definitely so 2009-02-24 09:39:40 chickmarkley you are experiencing denial of speech attack by audience 2009-02-24 09:39:44 fak3r ghostbusters 2009-02-24 09:39:52 dchud rsinger: does answering those questions need to happen at web scale? we managed to do stuff like that before the web. 2009-02-24 09:39:52 mbklein live_demo++ 2009-02-24 09:40:00 akorphan My head hurts from all the spinners 2009-02-24 09:40:02 rjw rjw madly rewriting presentation for slooooow network 2009-02-24 09:40:06 akorphan I htink i'm getting motion sicness 2009-02-24 09:40:13 wtd Someone find the answer somewhere else and shout it out.. 2009-02-24 09:40:18 akorphan s/a bunch of stuff/some other stuff 2009-02-24 09:40:22 rsinger dchud: meh 2009-02-24 09:40:23 fak3r building_facets++ 2009-02-24 09:40:25 kat3 kat3 resists the urge to make a "ridin' spinners" joke 2009-02-24 09:40:35 fak3r ...buffering... 2009-02-24 09:40:37 epoz interesting. digital heckling burns bandwidth causing presenter demo grief 2009-02-24 09:40:42 anarchivist kat3++ 2009-02-24 09:40:43 jbrinley mbklein: so if someone else is using the book I want, I can use it at the same time? 2009-02-24 09:40:48 dchud is there a wire on a quiet subnet for the speaker's podium? 2009-02-24 09:40:58 akorphan Quick, everyone start playing youtube clips! 2009-02-24 09:41:01 mbklein jbrinley++ touche 2009-02-24 09:41:11 bess should i not be bittorrenting right now? 2009-02-24 09:41:11 chickmarkley jbrinley:you have to read slower 2009-02-24 09:41:14 timmcgeary dchud: there should be 2009-02-24 09:41:15 anarchivist bess++ 2009-02-24 09:41:17 rsinger since we're all torrenting my dj 4 an hour files on the public wireless? 2009-02-24 09:41:20 rjw working in a spin 2009-02-24 09:41:22 mbklein mbklein waits for the RickRoll 2009-02-24 09:41:25 timmcgeary getting the latest 24, bess? 2009-02-24 09:41:35 mbklein NEVER GONNA GIVE YOU UUUUUP... 2009-02-24 09:41:46 scolford akorphan: nothing provides permanent relief from hangovers. especially if you go out drinking again. 2009-02-24 09:41:49 akorphan 2009-02-24 09:41:54 timmcgeary I can't listen any slower 2009-02-24 09:41:55 BigD hmm 2009-02-24 09:42:03 anarchivist *crickets* 2009-02-24 09:42:13 timmcgeary doing_stuff++ 2009-02-24 09:42:15 MrDys looks like my plan to do a live demo was not a great one... 2009-02-24 09:42:15 abarrera he lost me at hello 2009-02-24 09:42:16 BillDueber Note to self: be prepared to talk over slow network. 2009-02-24 09:42:17 mbklein doing_stuff_down_at_the_bottom++ 2009-02-24 09:42:28 skoczko Hi Mike! 2009-02-24 09:42:29 abarrera why did 7 people just get up 2009-02-24 09:42:31 BigD freebase ate the tubes 2009-02-24 09:42:37 lbjay PLAY THE CRICKETS! 2009-02-24 09:42:40 lbjay eff that 2009-02-24 09:42:40 gsf stop using sites! 2009-02-24 09:42:45 anarchivist ATTICA 2009-02-24 09:42:47 anarchivist ATTICA 2009-02-24 09:42:49 anarchivist ATTICA 2009-02-24 09:42:53 akorphan admonishment-- 2009-02-24 09:42:57 dchud is there a wire on a quiet subnet for the speaker's podium? 2009-02-24 09:43:02 wickr yes, irc is so bandwidth heavy 2009-02-24 09:43:02 harmless anyone have a fast data plan on their cell? 2009-02-24 09:43:12 MikeTaylor If RDF is the answer, can we have understood the question? 2009-02-24 09:43:12 BillDueber 5 minute minor for chatting 2009-02-24 09:43:18 mbklein It's not the IRC bandwidth, it's the overhead of 100 ssh tunnels to get to freenode... 2009-02-24 09:43:19 paulalbert I wonder if it's so slow because I'm downloading the entire second season of Hannah Montana in HD. 2009-02-24 09:43:20 anarchivist HAS ANYONE SEEN MY WIMAX CARD 2009-02-24 09:43:20 JodiS live demos require a backup plane 2009-02-24 09:43:21 rosy1280 slow interwebs 2009-02-24 09:43:26 scolford freebase is causing an unacceptable lag in mibbit 2009-02-24 09:43:30 rsinger you know, a librarian wouldn't have these problems 2009-02-24 09:43:31 wickr harmless: reception sucks down here 2009-02-24 09:43:33 JodiS dchud: quiet net makes sens 2009-02-24 09:43:34 gsf mbklein: true, true 2009-02-24 09:43:35 JodiS sense 2009-02-24 09:43:36 zoia zoia chuckles 2009-02-24 09:43:40 timmcgeary rsinger++ 2009-02-24 09:43:42 anarchivist rsinger++ 2009-02-24 09:43:44 rsinger @decide books or internet 2009-02-24 09:43:44 fak3r connection reset by peer 2009-02-24 09:43:44 fak3r paganation++ 2009-02-24 09:43:44 fak3r how we doing on time? 2009-02-24 09:43:44 fak3r obviously 2009-02-24 09:43:44 fak3r blame the victim 2009-02-24 09:43:45 zoia rsinger: go with internet 2009-02-24 09:43:46 edsu MikeTaylor: how do you build a distributed database on the web? 2009-02-24 09:43:51 rsinger zoia: you would say that 2009-02-24 09:43:52 zoia rsinger: http://wrongcards.com/ecard/im-sorry-my-thetans-made-me-do-it 2009-02-24 09:44:00 chickmarkley should schedule multiple speakers at same time, multi-tasking rules 2009-02-24 09:44:43 jbrinley fak3r: 16 minutes left 2009-02-24 09:44:47 MikeTaylor edsu: something fuzzier. Any solution that begins with "Hey, let's just get everyone to input everything with rigour!" is not a solution. 2009-02-24 09:44:55 mjg_ wireless-- 2009-02-24 09:44:57 jtgorman jtgorman starts pondering the fact that perhaps code4lib needs a proxy/cache/fake server 2009-02-24 09:44:59 gsf the joy of sets 2009-02-24 09:44:59 akorphan all day long I think about sets 2009-02-24 09:45:00 timmcgeary chickmarkley: dueling speakers? 2009-02-24 09:45:01 mib_nch3tkl0 question about presentation...how does cloud computing work in areas with poor infrastructure for networks? 2009-02-24 09:45:16 skoczko Mike, RDF is the answer to every problem in the world 2009-02-24 09:45:17 paulalbert akorphan++ 2009-02-24 09:45:26 jtgorman ie for conference you can set up any servers you need (vms galore) and download the websites ahead of time 2009-02-24 09:45:36 mikeybe can you make private freebase data sets? 2009-02-24 09:45:36 BillDueber BillDueber understands sets. I'm not sure I understand directed graphs at a deep enough level to understand RDF 2009-02-24 09:45:41 mib_nch3tkl0 also, librariny q...since freebase queries things like wikipedia, how do we verify info? 2009-02-24 09:45:42 wtd Network problems are why I'm getting more into keeping things under version control and synching up when I need to. 2009-02-24 09:45:44 mikeybe i.e. not open to the public? 2009-02-24 09:45:48 MrDys mikeybe: yes 2009-02-24 09:45:59 akorphan mib_bladeblaa: I was thinking about that at the linkeddata preconf 2009-02-24 09:46:11 akorphan What if you get two sources that provide different dates for King Lear? 2009-02-24 09:46:12 MrDys mikeybe: only in a 'testing area' sandboxy kind of sense, but yeah 2009-02-24 09:46:17 akorphan how do you discriminate? 2009-02-24 09:46:52 mouwd isn't that imdb? 2009-02-24 09:46:59 gsf trainspotting++ 2009-02-24 09:47:08 BillDueber mouwd: No. It's darker. 2009-02-24 09:47:11 mikeybe where's kevin bacon? 2009-02-24 09:47:12 rjw click-n-browse++ 2009-02-24 09:47:25 dchud ...and we're back 2009-02-24 09:47:25 dchud dchud turns on "bonjour" network connection in adium 2009-02-24 09:47:25 dchud MrDys: make a little screencap of your demo 2009-02-24 09:47:27 scolford aggregative++ 2009-02-24 09:47:48 akorphan a universal api for all data is a pretty cool idea, admittedly. 2009-02-24 09:47:51 dchud imdb with better css! 2009-02-24 09:47:58 dchud imdb with better css! 2009-02-24 09:48:13 wickr a bit more editable too 2009-02-24 09:48:14 jbrinley akorphan: you look at the sources used for those sources, same as you would with books/encyclopedias 2009-02-24 09:48:23 jbrinley akorphan: ultimately, it comes down to trust 2009-02-24 09:48:30 zoia New news from planetcode4lib: Engard, Nicole: NFAIS 2009: The Impact of Global Digital Natives || del.icio.us: State of the Art - Amazon.com's Kindle Goes From Good to Better - NYTimes.com || del.icio.us: rda4lib || Chudnov, Dan: code4lib 2009 talk on caching and proxy 2009-02-24 09:48:38 akorphan jbrinley: re: Lear? 2009-02-24 09:49:08 skoczko six degrees of kevin bacon 2009-02-24 09:49:10 akorphan Sure, but the predominant convention for trust on the web at this time is amount of linking, which is a bit suspect. 2009-02-24 09:49:34 timmcgeary bill clinton - who's your daddy? 2009-02-24 09:49:34 bess freebase++ # this was what I wanted to hear more about 2009-02-24 09:49:45 rjw bacon++ 2009-02-24 09:49:52 dchud imdb with better css! 2009-02-24 09:49:52 dchud wickr: imdb edit contribs are vetted 2009-02-24 09:49:52 dchud not sayin' that's better necessarily 2009-02-24 09:49:53 skoczko http://oracleofbacon.org/ 2009-02-24 09:49:58 kat3 http://translate.stefanomazzocchi.user.dev.freebaseapps.com 2009-02-24 09:50:05 timmcgeary oracleofbacon.org++ 2009-02-24 09:50:16 akorphan erdos++ 2009-02-24 09:50:27 MikeTaylor COme back, mpark! It's meaningless without you! 2009-02-24 09:50:29 jbrinley akorphan: you're welcome to use your own methods to determine who you trust on the web 2009-02-24 09:50:46 ejk recaptcha is a game? 2009-02-24 09:50:56 MikeTaylor Any solution that begins "you are welcome to use your own methods to ..." is not a solution. 2009-02-24 09:51:00 mjg_ a crying game 2009-02-24 09:51:12 rosy1280_ a game where you guess what the image really says 2009-02-24 09:51:15 rosy1280_ squinty like 2009-02-24 09:51:21 harmless books have that problem too. a lot of questionable stuff gets printed. a lot of journalists write articles from too few research papers with too small samples or too preliminary, etc. 2009-02-24 09:51:23 Kerwick recaptcha is what you do when the other team has your flag 2009-02-24 09:51:24 harmless do we have any standard metric for information quality? 2009-02-24 09:51:25 MikeTaylor (I am going to copyright this "any solution that begins with X is not a solution" template.) 2009-02-24 09:51:26 jbrinley MikeTaylor: but it's the same solution that we already have for print 2009-02-24 09:51:29 lbjay is martin still not here? anders is doing his talk next? 2009-02-24 09:51:33 akorphan MikeTaylor++ 2009-02-24 09:51:34 jtgorman Kerwick++ 2009-02-24 09:51:50 jrochkind100 diseased? 2009-02-24 09:51:56 JodiS harmless: good question re: info quality metrics! 2009-02-24 09:51:57 akorphan jbrinley: But the notion here is that you're trying to make some kind of automated knowledge aggregator 2009-02-24 09:52:05 MikeTaylor jbrinley, I thought we were trying to IMPROVE on what we already have. 2009-02-24 09:52:06 akorphan so automation++ 2009-02-24 09:52:54 gsf ooh, the "is this person really dead?" game 2009-02-24 09:52:57 JodiS crowdsourcing on http://typewriter.freebaseapps.com/ 2009-02-24 09:53:02 akorphan Dead or Canadian? 2009-02-24 09:53:07 Kerwick Dead pool 2009-02-24 09:53:20 lbjay lbjay has played the "is this a television show?" game 2009-02-24 09:53:24 dchud i'm not convinced that crowdsourcing is necessarily different from Gale or whoever paying staff to edit reference sources 2009-02-24 09:53:28 jbrinley MikeTaylor: yes, improve it. But don't say that the Internet is worse than print just because you don't have better solutions for certain problems 2009-02-24 09:53:29 jrochkind100 i can't see the addiction. 2009-02-24 09:53:32 JodiS dchud: no, but it's cheaper 2009-02-24 09:53:34 timmcgeary not addicted 2009-02-24 09:53:35 ecorrado akorphan: is there a difference? 2009-02-24 09:53:41 abarrera great taking advantage of those with OCD 2009-02-24 09:53:45 gsf you people are obviously not gamers 2009-02-24 09:53:45 akorphan jbrinley: authorities++ 2009-02-24 09:53:47 kat3 i dont have a problem 2009-02-24 09:53:50 harmless the metric would have to be objective and repeatable---you wouldn't want to rely on any one central authority to tell you if your information is good, it would have to be something you could independently verify 2009-02-24 09:53:52 jrochkind100 can I win a million dollars if i get them right? 2009-02-24 09:53:53 MrDys jrochkind100: it's the same addiction as 'hot or not' 2009-02-24 09:53:56 MikeTaylor jbrinley, sorry, that wasn't AT ALL what I meant to say! Only that the specific solutions currently on offer are disappointing. 2009-02-24 09:54:06 JodiS dchud: trying to find commonality? 2009-02-24 09:54:07 anarchivist zoia: are you bot or not 2009-02-24 09:54:09 zoia anarchivist: rake gerbils:deploy 2009-02-24 09:54:17 BillDueber Great. Votes by people who don't know what the hell they're talking about. I can get that now on IRC. 2009-02-24 09:54:22 jrochkind100 MrDys: except without pictures of hot people. 2009-02-24 09:54:33 MrDys jrochkind100: more necrophilic, yes 2009-02-24 09:54:49 rjw vote for you favourite subject heading! 2009-02-24 09:54:59 Baroquem Baroquem admits that he would compulsively sort the living and the dead. 2009-02-24 09:55:02 kat3 self-regulating data reliability 2009-02-24 09:55:02 jbrinley @karma mjgiarlo 2009-02-24 09:55:03 zoia jbrinley: Karma for "mjgiarlo" has been increased 1159 times and decreased 108 times for a total karma of 1051. 2009-02-24 09:55:11 scolford hey, don't tell me what my gender is. 2009-02-24 09:55:13 JodiS someone's going to raise the metacrap question, right? 2009-02-24 09:55:14 paulalbert wisdom of crowds only works when there's no echo chamber effect 2009-02-24 09:55:14 jrochkind100 fun! 2009-02-24 09:55:15 abarrera mjgiarlo: not sure if he's male or female 2009-02-24 09:55:15 kgs @karma kgs 2009-02-24 09:55:16 zoia kgs: Karma for "kgs" has been increased 112 times and decreased 4 times for a total karma of 108. 2009-02-24 09:55:19 rsinger harmless: we don't do that now? 2009-02-24 09:55:24 Kerwick Hey! It's Pat! 2009-02-24 09:55:28 gsf don't squeeze me into your dichotomous gender machine 2009-02-24 09:55:30 anarchivist http://icanhascheezburger.files.wordpress.com/2009/02/funny-pictures-your-cat-fights-the-rice-paper.jpg 2009-02-24 09:55:31 JodiS paulalbert: echo chamber, interested parties, ... other problems? 2009-02-24 09:55:32 JodiS gsf++ 2009-02-24 09:55:34 timmcgeary Pat++ 2009-02-24 09:55:39 mjg_ jbrinley++ # which thereby shows what little value crowdsourcing has 2009-02-24 09:55:46 timmcgeary gsf++ 2009-02-24 09:55:49 ecorrado 5 minute warning has been issued 2009-02-24 09:55:50 fak3r not now 2009-02-24 09:55:55 jrochkind100 'biological organisms'? E. Coli -- m or f? 2009-02-24 09:55:56 JodiS Pat-- #for marginalizing trans people, and people beyond the gender binary 2009-02-24 09:56:06 kgs Facebook is strangely old-fashioned about gender and marriage 2009-02-24 09:56:16 MikeTaylor I don't get it. Why would anyone say, "Oh, I have a couple of free hours, why don't I spend them classifying the genders or random people"? 2009-02-24 09:56:18 akorphan kgs: example of latter? 2009-02-24 09:56:29 kat3 kgs: there's actually an app extension for that 2009-02-24 09:56:34 fak3r MikeTaylor++ 2009-02-24 09:56:36 JodiS paulalbert: it's ripe for a "metacrap" essay about crowdsourcing. want to write one? 2009-02-24 09:56:38 BillDueber MikeTaylor: 'Cause Full House isn't on TV? 2009-02-24 09:56:39 timmcgeary don't play with your arrow keys like that 2009-02-24 09:56:50 rsinger MikeTaylor: why do people do that for librarything? 2009-02-24 09:56:50 akorphan miketaylor: maybe if you could make it part of a captcha.... 2009-02-24 09:56:54 harmless rsinger: maybe! do you know of some metrics for info. quality? i'm sure there are some, would be interesting to see what's out there for that ... 2009-02-24 09:56:58 rsinger MikeTaylor: and yet, THEY DO 2009-02-24 09:57:00 kgs In FB you can be married or "it's complicated" 2009-02-24 09:57:10 fak3r FB-- 2009-02-24 09:57:12 MikeTaylor rsinger: maybe the world has more very bored people in it than I realised. 2009-02-24 09:57:14 akorphan kgs: no "partner" or anything:? 2009-02-24 09:57:16 rsinger harmless: what metrics do we currently have? 2009-02-24 09:57:18 kgs after 16 years it's not complicated: I just meekly follow orders 2009-02-24 09:57:21 jrochkind100 i thought marriage was always complicated 2009-02-24 09:57:22 jbrinley MikeTaylor: no, the question is: I'm bored in this lecture. What can I do to pass the time that won't be to obvious to my prof? 2009-02-24 09:57:28 fak3r he did a search and it came back? 2009-02-24 09:57:38 paulalbert JodiS: I don't know anything. I'm just repeating what I heard a guest say on Colbert. :) 2009-02-24 09:57:42 skoczko no one is gonnna spend time writing down relations and dependencies that seem obvious to him, unfortunately those relations are not obvious for the machine 2009-02-24 09:57:49 rsinger MikeTaylor: i mean, i don't get it either, but these people exist 2009-02-24 09:57:50 MikeTaylor jbrinley -- you mean THIS lecture in particular? 2009-02-24 09:57:50 timmcgeary kgs++ 2009-02-24 09:57:51 JodiS paulalbert: ok, will have to search for that later. thanks for the lead! 2009-02-24 09:57:59 fak3r that "I" use? 2009-02-24 09:58:02 skoczko that's why semantic web is flawed in it's design 2009-02-24 09:58:11 rsinger MikeTaylor: wikipedia, evidently, being the realization of this 2009-02-24 09:58:18 anarchivist too bad this is not python 2009-02-24 09:58:18 Baroquem Not boredom. It's fun to bring order to chaos. 2009-02-24 09:58:19 akorphan I just can't get 100% behind the "factual by majority assertion" model of authority. 2009-02-24 09:58:29 MikeTaylor Wikipedia is a bit different, because what you build has more substance. 2009-02-24 09:58:31 dchud ecorrado++ 2009-02-24 09:58:31 akorphan It does work a lot of the time, but is that good enough? really? 2009-02-24 09:58:33 khatar are those apps written in acre? 2009-02-24 09:58:35 JodiS JodiS has a great desire to bring info together 2009-02-24 09:58:35 kgs akorphan++ 2009-02-24 09:58:38 jbrinley MikeTaylor: no, just the millions of students sitting in college classrooms with their computers right now 2009-02-24 09:58:46 harmless rsinger: i don't know. i'm asking :) ...i said i'm sure there are some because academia is all about making metrics for things 2009-02-24 09:58:55 JodiS akorphan: yup, that's a big deal. "The majority is always wrong" (or whatever Ibsen said) 2009-02-24 09:58:58 rsinger MikeTaylor: well, this requires less work, really --- some people are editors. Some people are drones. 2009-02-24 09:58:59 bess akorphan: agree there's way too many things that "everybody knows" that are not actually true. 2009-02-24 09:59:00 rjw reading raw json-- 2009-02-24 09:59:02 BillDueber BillDueber likes the query format. 2009-02-24 09:59:03 paulalbert JodiS: Out of curiosity, do you have a publication or forum in mind? 2009-02-24 09:59:12 gsf reading raw json > reading raw xml 2009-02-24 09:59:17 mjg_ json++ 2009-02-24 09:59:26 JodiS easy cloning is nice 2009-02-24 09:59:26 anarchivist json++ # however i am realizing i really hate json 2009-02-24 09:59:38 rsinger you're gonna be looking at both raw json and raw xml in about 40 minutes 2009-02-24 09:59:39 BillDueber reading yaml > reading json 2009-02-24 09:59:42 JodiS paulalbert: not offhand. ideas? 2009-02-24 09:59:44 jbrinley akorphan: you just want to go with a majority of one particular population (self-described experts) rather than a different population 2009-02-24 09:59:49 BillDueber rsinger: That assumes we're paying attention. 2009-02-24 09:59:50 gsf rsinger: such a tease 2009-02-24 09:59:50 anarchivist anarchivist just realized yesterday that you can't pass rdf+xml into exhibit 2009-02-24 09:59:51 ejk sosumi+- 2009-02-24 09:59:54 skoczko JSON 4ever! 2009-02-24 09:59:58 anarchivist at least directly 2009-02-24 10:00:02 anarchivist wild_eep++ 2009-02-24 10:00:04 jrochkind100 cc-by still not appropriate for data. 2009-02-24 10:00:04 JodiS akorphan: that makes me think of Galileo, Copernicus, ... 2009-02-24 10:00:13 gsf acre++ looks cool 2009-02-24 10:00:16 jrochkind100 franco still dead. 2009-02-24 10:00:17 abarrera except that people have taken the data from sites/books etc which weren't CC 2009-02-24 10:00:17 bess this seems like an awesome source for music and movie metadata 2009-02-24 10:00:30 JodiS nice bell! 2009-02-24 10:00:32 akorphan JodiS: If we could make an automated scientific methodizer.... 2009-02-24 10:00:32 rsinger bess: agreed -- MrDys is talking about this stuff 2009-02-24 10:00:36 timmcgeary bell++ 2009-02-24 10:00:43 akorphan OCCAMBOT 2009-02-24 10:00:45 mjg_ was that royt clicking his rocks glass? 2009-02-24 10:00:46 rjw json++ as long as I don't have to see it! 2009-02-24 10:00:46 JodiS jrochkind100: cc-by problem WAY impt! 2009-02-24 10:00:50 anarchivist acid++ 2009-02-24 10:00:56 jrochkind100 abarrera: you are allowed to take FACTS from books and do whatever you want with them. Facts not copyrightable. Whcih is why CC is still not appropriate for data. 2009-02-24 10:00:58 dhanu is it possible to download all the presentation slides from some where? 2009-02-24 10:01:04 JodiS akorphan: what's an automated scientific methodizer? 2009-02-24 10:01:15 khatar yaml++ even if i have to see it :) 2009-02-24 10:01:18 MrDys good quick intro to freebase...didn't end up cannabalizing my presentation too much 2009-02-24 10:01:19 jbrinley bell = cup + fork 2009-02-24 10:01:20 wickr dhanu: they'll be linked up eventually 2009-02-24 10:01:22 JodiS dhanu: good question. One hopes they'll get added to the http://code4lib.org/conference/2009/schedule 2009-02-24 10:01:29 paulalbert Jodis: nothing good. All my essays go on my girlfriends blog. 2009-02-24 10:01:33 JodiS royt: can you ask Stefano to link his slides? 2009-02-24 10:01:34 rsinger is that my nemesis? 2009-02-24 10:01:40 jbrinley dhanu: propably linked from http://code4lib.org/conference/2009/schedule eventually 2009-02-24 10:01:41 akorphan JodiS: If only I knew, it would solve a lot of these problems. 2009-02-24 10:01:44 JodiS paulalbert: dude, get a new blog, or marry your girlfriend! :) 2009-02-24 10:01:47 BillDueber BillDueber needs that bell to add to his book and cup. 2009-02-24 10:01:48 dhanu cool :) 2009-02-24 10:01:49 timmcgeary jbrinley: is that like at a wedding? 2009-02-24 10:01:52 anarchivist is there water smewherere around here? 2009-02-24 10:01:59 anarchivist ugh 2009-02-24 10:02:01 akorphan anarchivist: back and to the right, I think. 2009-02-24 10:02:04 MrDys anarchivist: back of the room 2009-02-24 10:02:09 eom pitchers in the back 2009-02-24 10:02:10 wickr anarchivist: pitchers at back wall 2009-02-24 10:02:12 rsinger THANK GOD 2009-02-24 10:02:13 timmcgeary rush for the water 2009-02-24 10:02:13 JodiS paulalbert: well, I've got a blog (technically) 2009-02-24 10:02:28 MikeTaylor Can anyone here express "bell = cup + fork" in RDF? Can you express the scope of this relation's applicability? 2009-02-24 10:02:33 akorphan jbrinley: that was quite the sonorous cup + fork. 2009-02-24 10:02:38 anarchivist anarchivist feels the naragansett waging war inside his body 2009-02-24 10:02:46 MikeTaylor Saved by the cup+fork 2009-02-24 10:02:51 akorphan You'd need a quad I think 2009-02-24 10:02:52 paulalbert JodiS: ha ha 2009-02-24 10:02:55 anarchivist mmm, tastes like genocide 2009-02-24 10:02:58 akorphan (result, item1, item2, interaction) 2009-02-24 10:03:14 BillDueber Oops. Nerd isn't here. 2009-02-24 10:03:20 jrochkind100 the knife ran away with the spoon. 2009-02-24 10:03:21 akorphan oh anarchivist, just say no to gansett 2009-02-24 10:03:37 anarchivist naragansett++ 2009-02-24 10:03:41 anarchivist $2.50 at as220 2009-02-24 10:03:43 akorphan there's a reason it's as cheap as it is 2009-02-24 10:03:46 skoczko hearsBell -> ihibitsSenseOfHunger -> isRelatedTo -> [Cup] isRelatedTo [fork] 2009-02-24 10:03:51 akorphan also a reason why it wasn't made for 10 years. 2009-02-24 10:03:54 lbjay @help foaf 2009-02-24 10:03:55 zoia lbjay: (foaf ) -- Returns the objects of the given predicate in the given nick's FOAF. 2009-02-24 10:03:59 BillDueber jrochkind100: The dish should have known the spoon would leave. Once a cheater, always a cheater. 2009-02-24 10:04:04 lbjay @foaf based_near lbjay 2009-02-24 10:04:05 zoia lbjay: I didn't know based_near's URI anyway. 2009-02-24 10:04:11 anarchivist akorphan: for cheap beer, it's actually delicious 2009-02-24 10:04:13 skoczko embrace the change! 2009-02-24 10:04:17 anarchivist "delicious" 2009-02-24 10:04:29 lbjay lbjay: rtfm 2009-02-24 10:04:35 akorphan anarchivist: I'm a sucker for Yuengling when it comes to cheap. 2009-02-24 10:04:36 lbjay @foaf lbjay based_near 2009-02-24 10:04:38 zoia lbjay: lbjay : cwQaxxQq798 2009-02-24 10:04:47 timmcgeary yuengling++ 2009-02-24 10:04:47 ecorrado timer.app++ 2009-02-24 10:04:50 MikeTaylor It would be neat if all of us on this channel all did a cup+fork simultaneously. It would confuse the heck out of everyone else and demonstrate the power of, oh I don't know, crowdfrlashactmobsourcing or something. 2009-02-24 10:04:57 lbjay @foaf anarchivist based_near 2009-02-24 10:04:58 zoia lbjay: anarchivist : cwQaxxQq804 2009-02-24 10:04:59 edsu lbjay: is there a patch i need toapply from you? 2009-02-24 10:05:07 lbjay edsu: still working on it 2009-02-24 10:05:10 edsu k 2009-02-24 10:05:17 edsu sorry about the IO, btw 2009-02-24 10:05:24 fak3r huh? 2009-02-24 10:05:30 lbjay edsu: my sparql was fuql'ed 2009-02-24 10:05:31 timmcgeary synchronous cup+fork++ 2009-02-24 10:05:48 ejk ricekrispiestreats++ 2009-02-24 10:06:00 lbjay edsu: no worries. just remarking on it. 2009-02-24 10:06:02 BillDueber ejk: Where????? 2009-02-24 10:06:06 timmcgeary there are rice krispie treats???? 2009-02-24 10:06:16 anarchivist timmcgeary: where breakfast was 2009-02-24 10:06:25 akorphan ooh 2009-02-24 10:06:28 akorphan hum de hum... 2009-02-24 10:06:30 timmcgeary anarchivist: thanks 2009-02-24 10:06:42 fak3r rice krispies? 2009-02-24 10:06:42 edsu lbjay: oh, a query was spiking the IO? i thought it was the syncing 2009-02-24 10:07:04 fak3r wikipedia definition, why not use freebase? 2009-02-24 10:07:04 gsf MikeTaylor: we would need to sync swatches 2009-02-24 10:07:25 anarchivist @quote add less semantic, more web 2009-02-24 10:07:29 rsinger my_macbooks_battery_life-- 2009-02-24 10:07:29 zoia anarchivist: The operation succeeded. Quote #1720 added. 2009-02-24 10:07:46 lbjay edsu: nono. sthe sparql was a diff issue 2009-02-24 10:07:57 lbjay wireless-- 2009-02-24 10:07:57 jfereira powerstrips++ 2009-02-24 10:08:00 fak3r opac mention 2009-02-24 10:08:22 rjw nice_front_page++ 2009-02-24 10:08:22 khatar in fact i hope web will die: i don't carre about webpage design: i want information (with my own render if possible) 2009-02-24 10:08:32 anarchivist swedes++ 2009-02-24 10:08:35 BillDueber BillDueber is still waiting waiting waiting for the bit about the linked data. 2009-02-24 10:08:42 fak3r color_palatte++ 2009-02-24 10:08:58 kgs think over break I may move tripod directly behind one of the projectors so slide recording isn't canted 2009-02-24 10:09:11 BillDueber khatar: Most people that think they can design a system for their own use better than a professional designer are wrong. 2009-02-24 10:09:20 timmcgeary nice concept 2009-02-24 10:09:23 lbjay kgs: need any help? 2009-02-24 10:09:38 MikeTaylor BillDueber: Most people that think they can design a system for their own use cheaper than a professional designer are right. 2009-02-24 10:09:49 edsu anders++ # nice quote that 2009-02-24 10:09:54 ksclarke_web nice quote 2009-02-24 10:09:58 wickr both options would be nice 2009-02-24 10:10:03 timmcgeary very nice quote 2009-02-24 10:10:13 ecorrado ecorrado can design system fr own use just fine, for everyones use, maybe not so much 2009-02-24 10:10:16 jfereira The web is made of people 2009-02-24 10:10:21 khatar BillDueber, i don't want to design a tool: i want to use a tool i can parameter to render the information *my way* 2009-02-24 10:10:22 BillDueber MikeTaylor: depends on how much time you lose making and fighting with your system 2009-02-24 10:10:37 rosy1280_ ecorrado++ 2009-02-24 10:10:51 fak3r in this country a catalog can grow up and be anything they want 2009-02-24 10:10:53 kgs lbjay on break help me assert eminent domain ;) I actually think the tripod can be a little lower if it's that near 2009-02-24 10:10:54 ejlynema c4lj plug: the nat'l library of sweden folks just put out a c4lj article about the agile, user-centered design process they used when re-writing LIBRIS. 2009-02-24 10:10:57 MikeTaylor How come we can't send coffee over the wireless network yet? 2009-02-24 10:11:01 akorphan jfereira: Soylent Web? 2009-02-24 10:11:07 ecorrado coffee++ 2009-02-24 10:11:14 anarchivist J2ME? 2009-02-24 10:11:17 mbklein OK, people. Just one more @foaf function, because I'm insane this morning. 2009-02-24 10:11:20 jbrinley BillDueber++ 2009-02-24 10:11:20 jbrinley as mentioned previously, you often need narrative, or at least context for facts 2009-02-24 10:11:20 jbrinley design can do a lot of that 2009-02-24 10:11:25 khatar i don't want to rewrite a browser: i want a configurable browser that even don't download CSS, logos, banners and other useless stuff 2009-02-24 10:11:26 anarchivist mbklein++ 2009-02-24 10:11:29 dlovins dlovins is wondering whether anybody here traveled further than from Sweden 2009-02-24 10:11:32 mbklein @predicates mjg_ mbklein 2009-02-24 10:11:33 timmcgeary i'd rather send beer over wireless 2009-02-24 10:11:41 rsinger dlovins: there is an australian 2009-02-24 10:11:44 anarchivist dlovins: there's a guy from australia at the next table over 2009-02-24 10:11:45 rsinger i think 2009-02-24 10:11:49 MikeTaylor BillDueber, you are of course right about the cost of time. But then don't forget that implementing a professional designer's design onto your back-end also takes time. 2009-02-24 10:11:51 ejlynema c4lj plug: the nat'l library of sweden folks just put out a c4lj article about the agile, user-centered design process they used when re-writing LIBRIS. 2009-02-24 10:12:01 lbjay kgs: you want me to lower the tripod? 2009-02-24 10:12:01 anarchivist swedes++ 2009-02-24 10:12:04 anarchivist c4lj++ 2009-02-24 10:12:06 khatar (and sorry but many webmasters aren't' professionnals) 2009-02-24 10:12:09 skoczko funny the wiki does not even mention the REST wich is much more comprehensible definiton of what the Wb really is 2009-02-24 10:12:10 chickmarkley dlovins:is kauai farther 2009-02-24 10:12:13 mbklein @reload FOAF 2009-02-24 10:12:23 jbrinley khatar: you want the firefox developer toolbar 2009-02-24 10:12:24 lbjay mbklein: nice, you killed zoia 2009-02-24 10:12:31 JodiS as ejlynema mentions: read about LIBRIS at http://journal.code4lib.org/articles/561 2009-02-24 10:12:33 mbklein She was there a minute ago! 2009-02-24 10:12:56 fak3r in this country a catalog can grow up and be anything they want 2009-02-24 10:13:18 MikeTaylor OMG! They killed mib_zwbls57a! 2009-02-24 10:13:20 zoia mbklein: Relationships asserted by mjg_ about mbklein: 2009-02-24 10:13:20 zoia mbklein: The operation succeeded. 2009-02-24 10:13:24 ecorrado ecorrado catalogs library holdings using interpertive dance 2009-02-24 10:13:24 kgs lbjay I can do that :) I'm going to pick up the kitnkaboodle and move it behind the right projector--first ensuring it works well there 2009-02-24 10:13:27 timmcgeary are the presentations being filmed? 2009-02-24 10:13:31 mbklein @predicates mbklein mjg_ 2009-02-24 10:13:31 zoia mbklein: Relationships asserted by mbklein about mjg_: , 2009-02-24 10:13:32 skoczko it looks like everything thing that the Linked Data boils down to is a good, clean RESTful architecture 2009-02-24 10:13:34 jrochkind100 in sweden, catalog hacks YOU. 2009-02-24 10:13:44 khatar jbrinley, i want more. I want toolbar+vimperator+sorta viml langage for mappings+ kinda hypercards+ .... 2009-02-24 10:13:44 kgs timmcgeary only when presenters agree to be filmed 2009-02-24 10:13:52 kgs I think most of them agreed 2009-02-24 10:13:58 BillDueber skoczko: Clean REST can get in the way of other things, though 2009-02-24 10:13:58 dlovins chickmarkley: quite a bit 2009-02-24 10:14:00 timmcgeary I wonder if I agreed 2009-02-24 10:14:00 fak3r hacker != cracker 2009-02-24 10:14:00 khatar well ... i don't nee a browser but xulrunner could be a base 2009-02-24 10:14:01 jrochkind100 yeah, I think there are definitey parallels between linked data philosophy and REST philosophy. 2009-02-24 10:14:01 abarrera apis_suck++ 2009-02-24 10:14:04 timmcgeary can't remember... :) 2009-02-24 10:14:05 lbjay skoczko: there's these things called vocabularies too 2009-02-24 10:14:06 kgs but we respect requests not to be filmed 2009-02-24 10:14:08 dchud great slide! 2009-02-24 10:14:09 ejlynema JodiS: thanks, trying to get there, but my connection is so terrible 2009-02-24 10:14:13 paulalbert slide title is in poor taste 2009-02-24 10:14:15 MikeTaylor apis_suck-=2 2009-02-24 10:14:25 mjg_ "the website is the api"++ 2009-02-24 10:14:30 JodiS ejlynema: np, sorry--I'm sucking up network 2009-02-24 10:14:35 jbrinley khatar: you want the firefox developer toolbar 2009-02-24 10:14:45 skoczko bill, could you elaborate? 2009-02-24 10:14:50 JodiS paulalbert: directness works 2009-02-24 10:15:00 khatar jbrinley, no: i want people to know that WWW sux! 2009-02-24 10:15:02 edsu apis_suck++ 2009-02-24 10:15:06 akorphan JodiS: Are you -really- downloading 24? 2009-02-24 10:15:07 jbrinley @predicates jbrinley zoia 2009-02-24 10:15:08 lbjay "the website is the api"++ 2009-02-24 10:15:13 JodiS akorphan-- 2009-02-24 10:15:15 zoia jbrinley: Relationships asserted by jbrinley about zoia: 2009-02-24 10:15:26 BillDueber skoczko: Think of a catalog. A nice clean URL for an individual record doesn't allow passing any state information (about the search that got you there) in the URL 2009-02-24 10:15:36 JodiS akorphan: no, only every interesting webpage that gets mentioned 2009-02-24 10:15:36 khatar web is an api ? in java sense, yes 2009-02-24 10:15:38 JodiS multithreading++ 2009-02-24 10:15:43 BillDueber skoczko: So, you put it in a session. Which is fine until your user opens a second tab and starts searching there, too. 2009-02-24 10:15:47 khatar moving ... unreadable ... 2009-02-24 10:15:49 anarchivist multithreading++ 2009-02-24 10:15:51 khatar changing ... 2009-02-24 10:15:56 jbrinley jbrinley wonders if making our normal IRC clients work (rather than everyone using mibbit) would help with network congestion 2009-02-24 10:16:00 edsu khatar: there are http clients for other languages than java :) 2009-02-24 10:16:12 mjg_ charper++ 2009-02-24 10:16:13 anarchivist charper++ 2009-02-24 10:16:14 akorphan web_as_api++ 2009-02-24 10:16:23 timmcgeary 24++ 2009-02-24 10:16:23 Kerwick jbrinley++ 2009-02-24 10:16:31 rosy1280_ jbrinkley able to connect to my vpn and then get on an irc client 2009-02-24 10:16:39 khatar edsu, yep ... that was a way for me to say "web is an api"-- 2009-02-24 10:16:50 anarchivist robcaSSon: the naragansett's revenge 2009-02-24 10:17:01 bess BillDueber: http://blacklight.betech.virginia.edu/catalog/u685409?index=1&per_page=10&q=libraries <== a nice clean URL for an individual record that does allow passing of state information about the search that got you there. 2009-02-24 10:17:03 skoczko Not true, you can encode your search in the URL, it's not against RS principles it simply means that you link to "result set" resource 2009-02-24 10:17:05 khatar (an api don't change every week ... but in java) 2009-02-24 10:17:09 robcaSSon anarchivist: fricking goats 2009-02-24 10:17:13 fak3r I'm lagging big time 2009-02-24 10:17:21 anarchivist robcaSSon: goats on the roof of the warwick bar 2009-02-24 10:17:28 fak3r I've setup a local IRC server: connect to 10.7.55.119 2009-02-24 10:17:35 MikeTaylor On the horribleness of RDF: does anyone know whether there is a widespread and universally understood representation of RDF graphs other than the super-horrible XML version? I think that would help a lot. 2009-02-24 10:17:36 anarchivist passing_state_in_urls-- 2009-02-24 10:17:42 akorphan anarchivist: you went drinking in warwick, of all places? 2009-02-24 10:17:46 anarchivist akorphan: no 2009-02-24 10:17:47 BillDueber bess: It's "clean", but you end up with an infinite number of URLs that all point to the same thing. 2009-02-24 10:18:06 mjg_ glass_clinking_in_the_hallway-- 2009-02-24 10:18:09 mbklein BillDueber: Which is where rel="canonical" comes in. 2009-02-24 10:18:12 akorphan anarchivist: whew. 2009-02-24 10:18:16 BigD i h8s the internets 2009-02-24 10:18:27 anarchivist akorphan: the cans of naragansett that robcaSSon & i and others had had this story about some bar in warwick and people putting goats on the roof 2009-02-24 10:18:28 mbklein mjg_: It does kinda sound like a 1903s cocktail party out there. 2009-02-24 10:18:34 anarchivist BigD: h8 u 2009-02-24 10:18:35 zoia New news from planetcode4lib: Future Archives (Bodleian Library): Odds and ends from day one of the digital lives conference || del.icio.us: Genealogy of Charles Darwin - Freebase || Chudnov, Dan: code4lib 2009 talk on caching and proxying linked data : , 2009-02-24 10:19:34 charper n3++ 2009-02-24 10:19:37 mbklein @foaf zoia interest 2009-02-24 10:19:38 anarchivist n3++ 2009-02-24 10:19:39 zoia mbklein: zoia : , 2009-02-24 10:19:41 MikeTaylor The heading is the only bit I could read from back here., 2009-02-24 10:19:43 BigD real RDF is always unreadable on a screen 2009-02-24 10:19:47 anarchivist @foaf anarchivist interest 2009-02-24 10:19:48 zoia anarchivist: anarchivist : , , , , , , , , (1 more message) 2009-02-24 10:19:57 robcaSSon mjg_+- 2009-02-24 10:20:01 gsf fak3r: port 6667? 2009-02-24 10:20:01 edsu MikeTaylor: ok 2009-02-24 10:20:11 BigD cake's done 2009-02-24 10:20:12 timmcgeary that was a weak bell 2009-02-24 10:20:14 fak3r gsf: should be default... 2009-02-24 10:20:20 mjg_ MORE COWBELL 2009-02-24 10:20:26 BigD should we play the crickets? 2009-02-24 10:20:27 lbjay I SAID DING! 2009-02-24 10:20:28 akorphan MORE CUPFORK 2009-02-24 10:20:38 timmcgeary mjg++ 2009-02-24 10:20:39 JodiS no plug for c4l article :( 2009-02-24 10:20:41 fak3r yes, 6667 port 2009-02-24 10:20:44 gsf fak3r: got a 400 bad request 2009-02-24 10:20:52 akorphan ejlynema++ 2009-02-24 10:20:53 mbklein @quote add I SAID DING! 2009-02-24 10:20:54 zoia mbklein: The operation succeeded. Quote #1721 added. 2009-02-24 10:20:54 ecorrado we need a big huge gong 2009-02-24 10:21:11 anarchivist s/gong/bong 2009-02-24 10:21:12 BigD ecorrado: gong or bong? 2009-02-24 10:21:16 JodiS jrochkind: is their blog in the planet? 2009-02-24 10:21:16 BillDueber ecorrado: And Nipsy Russel to hit it. 2009-02-24 10:21:17 timmcgeary synch cup+fork? 2009-02-24 10:21:22 BigD c4l2010Amsterdam! 2009-02-24 10:21:27 anarchivist nipsey++ 2009-02-24 10:21:28 JodiS jrockind: http://blog.libris.kb.se/semweb/ 2009-02-24 10:21:30 ecorrado BigD: I'm not Michael Phelps 2009-02-24 10:21:32 mbklein JodiS: There was a request-to-add yesterday 2009-02-24 10:21:36 mjg_ Anders' accent makes me think he can kill a man in under four seconds. 2009-02-24 10:21:36 miker_ ^G 2009-02-24 10:21:37 paulalbert 2009-02-24 10:21:38 abarrera BigD++ 2009-02-24 10:21:46 JodiS great talk! 2009-02-24 10:21:58 JodiS mbklein: yup, that was me :) 2009-02-24 10:21:59 mbklein ecorrado: Which means you don't have a big fat endorsement contract to lose. Hit it! 2009-02-24 10:22:04 akorphan ibahn-- 2009-02-24 10:22:10 mbklein JodiS++ PERSISTENCE!!!! 2009-02-24 10:22:11 ecorrado mbklein: true 2009-02-24 10:22:15 ecorrado coffee++ 2009-02-24 10:22:20 gsf ibahn: open 6667! 2009-02-24 10:22:29 anarchivist robcaSSon: where are you sitting 2009-02-24 10:22:31 JodiS MikeTaylor: n3 : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Notation3 2009-02-24 10:22:31 BigD free irc! 2009-02-24 10:22:33 khatar miker_, mike 2009-02-24 10:22:34 mjg_ iBahn: the inverse autobahn of slowness. 2009-02-24 10:22:36 fak3r not sure - I ws able to login...standby 2009-02-24 10:22:46 khatar ICQ 2009-02-24 10:23:12 akorphan iBahn is perpendicular to the autobahn on the imaginary axis. 2009-02-24 10:23:13 gsf mjg++ 2009-02-24 10:23:16 khatar how to find mike ? 2009-02-24 10:23:32 jbrinley hmm, vpn doesn't help me 2009-02-24 10:23:49 pmurray @foaf pmurray 2009-02-24 10:23:50 zoia pmurray: (foaf ) -- Returns the objects of the given predicate in the given nick's FOAF. 2009-02-24 10:23:55 miker_ khatar: front left of the room 2009-02-24 10:24:00 pmurray @foaf pmurray homepage 2009-02-24 10:24:01 zoia pmurray: I don't know pmurray's URI. 2009-02-24 10:24:25 mjg_ I wonder if they have bacon out there. 2009-02-24 10:24:29 akorphan bacon++ 2009-02-24 10:24:37 wickr mjg_: sorry 2009-02-24 10:25:11 dsuchy did someone say bacon? 2009-02-24 10:25:22 akorphan There's only one thing that smells like bacon, and that's bacon! 2009-02-24 10:25:41 mbklein ibahn is transparently proxying high ports. Clients THINK they can connect, but then get bad data when they try to log into Freenode. 2009-02-24 10:25:50 mbklein mbklein blows the smoke off the packet sniffer and puts it away. 2009-02-24 10:26:51 robcaSSon anarchivist: back corner 2009-02-24 10:27:20 MikeTaylor I am scheduled to do a Lightning Talk and would appreciate some feedback on what would be most interesting. I have four candidates that I am considering. 2009-02-24 10:28:06 akorphan If 150,000 answers are provided to genderizer per month 2009-02-24 10:28:06 akorphan and there are 4 billion people who have been written about on the internet 2009-02-24 10:28:06 akorphan it'll only take 2,200 years to genderize everyone. 2009-02-24 10:28:30 mcdonald Why is OCLC calling their stuff grid services when you know they will change the name to cloud services any day? 2009-02-24 10:29:09 MikeTaylor One is about pazpar2, an open-source metasearch engine that presents a WS API and is pretty easy to make front-ends for. One is the Torus, a translucent record store which is handy for allowing local autonomy in viewing stores of centrally maintained records. One is on what publishers are actually FOR in this day and age and whether/how they can survive. And one is on why the Brontosaurus skeleton in the YPM is not 2009-02-24 10:29:21 MikeTaylor Anyone have a preference? 2009-02-24 10:29:55 MikeTaylor Evidently rsinger doesn't like the sound of any of them. 2009-02-24 10:30:32 MikeTaylor Jeez, everyone hates all my talks. 2009-02-24 10:30:48 wickr MikeTaylor: don't take network issues personal 2009-02-24 10:31:03 akorphan and don't bring personal issues to the network? 2009-02-24 10:31:07 mcdonald 1 pazpar2 2 what publishers 3 torus 4 brontosaurus 2009-02-24 10:31:13 akorphan (??) 2009-02-24 10:31:16 wickr MikeTaylor: Torus I haven't heard mentioned at all 2009-02-24 10:31:20 ejk Is my nametag sacrosanct or can I write my twitter nic on it? 2009-02-24 10:31:24 wickr so that might be nice to hear about 2009-02-24 10:31:27 dhanu 1 vote for pazpar2 2009-02-24 10:31:28 wickr ejk: go for it 2009-02-24 10:31:41 MikeTaylor Torus has never been mentioned before. So far we've just been using it internally, but it has wider applicability. 2009-02-24 10:31:43 mcdonald at all real unconferences people put their twitter nic on their tag 2009-02-24 10:32:07 jbrinley ejk: it is your nametag, do what you will 2009-02-24 10:32:50 ejk done, thanks 2009-02-24 10:33:10 skoczko well we have mentioned the Torus on ALA 2009-02-24 10:33:29 skoczko only few librarian ladies were there though :) 2009-02-24 10:33:37 akorphan ejk: except, it'll explode if you do that. 2009-02-24 10:34:06 ejk akorphan: oh frak! 2009-02-24 10:34:29 jbrinley jbrinley stands back from ejk 2009-02-24 10:34:43 fak3r gsf: can you try 6668? 2009-02-24 10:36:32 fak3r gsf: cancel that, try 8080 (that should be open across the board here) 2009-02-24 10:36:47 MikeTaylor In tribute to the classic 8-bit chip? 2009-02-24 10:36:59 fak3r I'm running ircd locally, let me know if you can hit it: 10.7.55.119 port 8080 room #code4lib 2009-02-24 10:38:11 kgs miker_ what's your 20 2009-02-24 10:38:50 jbrinley fak3r: I get "Connection failed. Error: An operation was attempted on something that is not a socket" 2009-02-24 10:39:25 miker_ kgs:frontleft corner table 2009-02-24 10:40:51 cbeer fak3r: looks like the same proxy problem as with freenode 2009-02-24 10:41:12 timmcgeary when did ross grow a beard? 2009-02-24 10:41:15 kgs miker_++ # thanks 2009-02-24 10:41:29 dbs timmcgeary: it's just glued on with spirit gum 2009-02-24 10:41:30 BigD you call that a beard? 2009-02-24 10:41:31 dhanu font size is too small in the presentation 2009-02-24 10:41:34 JodiS rsinger's slides are really faint. or is it just me? 2009-02-24 10:41:37 kat3 timmcgeary: ten minutes ago 2009-02-24 10:41:41 LibraryThingT faint 2009-02-24 10:41:41 kat3 i like the font 2009-02-24 10:41:44 timmcgeary ok, a justin timberlake "beard" 2009-02-24 10:41:46 ecorrado timmcgeary: he lives in the mountains of TN, he has to have a bear. It is a requirement 2009-02-24 10:41:51 ecorrado beard 2009-02-24 10:41:56 BigD green on green 2009-02-24 10:41:58 emcrens The font may be nice... but we're in the back! lol 2009-02-24 10:42:12 dchud big fonts! high contrast! 2009-02-24 10:42:16 JodiS MikeTaylor: I'd lie to hear about publishers 2009-02-24 10:42:19 timmcgeary too many TLAs 2009-02-24 10:42:20 LibraryThingT Acronym hell: "DLF ILS-DI API" 2009-02-24 10:42:35 timmcgeary ecorrado++ 2009-02-24 10:42:36 mbklein @ana dlf ils di api 2009-02-24 10:42:37 zoia mbklein: Did if a spill 2009-02-24 10:42:42 akorphan TDM-TLA-- 2009-02-24 10:42:48 kat3 ecorrado: you're required to have a beard in TN too 2009-02-24 10:42:50 emcrens Does anyone know if these presentations are going to be made available for download? 2009-02-24 10:42:51 kat3 *bear 2009-02-24 10:42:55 Kerwick TLA-- FLEA-- 2009-02-24 10:42:55 jrochkind100 ross++ for speaking engagingly 2009-02-24 10:43:06 lbjay lbjay moves his knight to E3 on rsinger's sweater 2009-02-24 10:43:06 akorphan taco-cat ++ 2009-02-24 10:43:11 jbrinley emcrens: eventually linked from the conference page 2009-02-24 10:43:12 LibraryThingT Taco: I love you. 2009-02-24 10:43:13 gsf jrochkind100: he was a theatre major, you know 2009-02-24 10:43:15 dchud emcrens: over time people will probably link their slides from the schedule page at code4lib.org 2009-02-24 10:43:15 mbklein jbrinley: I signed us up for a lightning talk on zoia's knew FOAF capabilities. You have been warned. 2009-02-24 10:43:17 emcrens kk. Thanks 2009-02-24 10:43:18 BigD lbjay: check 2009-02-24 10:43:20 JodiS emcrends: they should get linked from http://code4lib.org/conference/2009/schedule 2009-02-24 10:43:23 timmcgeary kat3: are bears required to have beards? 2009-02-24 10:43:27 skoczko Go AtomPub! 2009-02-24 10:43:30 jbrinley mbklein++ 2009-02-24 10:43:32 mbklein gsf: I was a musical theatre major. Should I sing my lightning talk? 2009-02-24 10:43:37 kat3 timmcgeary: yes, they use rogaine 2009-02-24 10:43:39 lbjay mbklein: YES 2009-02-24 10:43:40 ecorrado ecorrado wants to take an acting class.... I think it will help public speaking 2009-02-24 10:43:41 JodiS mbklein: the "knew" capabilities :) 2009-02-24 10:43:46 gsf mbklein: you have to ask? 2009-02-24 10:43:47 timmcgeary enthusiasm++ 2009-02-24 10:43:48 JodiS ecorrado: join toastmasters. more direct 2009-02-24 10:43:51 mbklein JodiS-- boo 2009-02-24 10:43:52 jbrinley mbklein: you want to talk while I provide the visuals? 2009-02-24 10:43:53 Kerwick tmmcgeary: unless they are bear naked 2009-02-24 10:43:58 ecorrado gray_font-- 2009-02-24 10:44:00 dansuchy somebody got my bacon hopes up. now im crushed. 2009-02-24 10:44:02 jbrinley mbklein: you probably know a lot more about it than me at this point 2009-02-24 10:44:11 timmcgeary Kerwick++ 2009-02-24 10:44:13 JodiS AtomPub is another way of looking "one context up". REALLY like that design metaphor, from anders 2009-02-24 10:44:14 mbklein jbrinley: Sure. We can script it a little bit later on. 2009-02-24 10:44:14 anarchivist bears++ 2009-02-24 10:44:16 BigD dansuchy: you made it! 2009-02-24 10:44:27 lbjay @sing DLF-ILS : API 2009-02-24 10:44:29 edsu mjgiarlo: might not need those slides now :) 2009-02-24 10:44:33 zoia lbjay: No lyrics for API by DLF-ILS. Searched lyricwiki & lyricsty 2009-02-24 10:44:36 mbklein We need a @bacon that works like @bartender 2009-02-24 10:45:09 mbklein @bartender 2009-02-24 10:45:12 zoia zoia fills a pint glass with Boon Framboise, and sends it sliding down the bar to mbklein (http://beeradvocate.com/beer/profile/47/2427/) 2009-02-24 10:45:16 kat3 kat3 joy spasm at the sight of wordpress/drupal/atompub on one slide 2009-02-24 10:45:20 mbklein Ew. Fruity beer. 2009-02-24 10:45:22 mbklein zoia-- 2009-02-24 10:45:25 MikeTaylor Bears are scary. At the YPM yesterday I walked past the museum boardroom and the door happened to be open, in there I saw a stuffed bear, in a rearing position, and I swear that baby was nine feet tall. It must be a truly terrifying place to have budget meetings. 2009-02-24 10:45:26 anarchivist kat3++ 2009-02-24 10:45:30 anarchivist drupal++ 2009-02-24 10:45:31 dchud joyspasm4lib 2009-02-24 10:45:33 akorphan lambic++ 2009-02-24 10:45:54 taco drupal++ ++ 2009-02-24 10:45:56 timmcgeary lambic++ (so my wife will drink beer with me) 2009-02-24 10:46:02 jfereira belgian beer++ 2009-02-24 10:46:14 MikeTaylor For those of you preparing talks: will you PLEASE use bigger fonts than the presenters so far have used. 2009-02-24 10:46:17 mbklein @known rsinger 2009-02-24 10:46:18 zoia mbklein: I don't know rsinger's URI 2009-02-24 10:46:28 fak3r *bold text* 2009-02-24 10:46:32 akorphan good_seats++ 2009-02-24 10:46:35 dhanu and high contrast colours 2009-02-24 10:46:40 Kerwick opera glasses++ 2009-02-24 10:46:51 kat3 what was the third item? 2009-02-24 10:47:04 anarchivist kat3: actors 2009-02-24 10:47:08 jfereira black font, yellow bg, for mine 2009-02-24 10:47:11 gsf fak3r: still no luck at 8080 2009-02-24 10:47:12 BigD kat3: fire 2009-02-24 10:47:14 mbklein @know rsinger http://dilettantes.code4lib.org/about-me/#me 2009-02-24 10:47:15 zoia mbklein: rsinger's URI is now 2009-02-24 10:47:20 JodiS MikeTaylor: next time take a picture! 2009-02-24 10:47:20 BigD i am the Fifth Element 2009-02-24 10:47:24 mbklein @knows mbklein rsinger 2009-02-24 10:47:26 zoia mbklein: An error has occurred and has been logged. Please contact this bot's administrator for more information. 2009-02-24 10:47:28 zoia New news from planetcode4lib: Future Archives (Bodleian Library): Shoot those files! 2009-02-24 10:47:33 dchud royt: maybe you could encourage big fonts and high contrast color schemes to future speakers? 2009-02-24 10:47:42 kat3 anarchivist: thanks 2009-02-24 10:47:43 JodiS mbklein: can you talk about plugin-writing in general in your talk? (Or maybe somebody else can do that one?) 2009-02-24 10:47:53 kat3 you too BigD 2009-02-24 10:47:55 mbklein @knows mbklein rsinger 2009-02-24 10:47:58 zoia mbklein: An error has occurred and has been logged. Please contact this bot's administrator for more information. 2009-02-24 10:48:01 ecorrado ecorrado looks at his slides and sees 28pt font 2009-02-24 10:48:07 timmcgeary minimum font point size recommendation? I'll edit my slides for tomorrow 2009-02-24 10:48:13 jfereira there's your color contrast 2009-02-24 10:48:19 mbklein Oh, it's the RDFa thing again. Please hold. 2009-02-24 10:48:23 dhanu cant read the green box 2009-02-24 10:48:28 akorphan dark_blue_on_black-- 2009-02-24 10:48:37 fak3r gsf: sorry, not sure what's u, nmap doesn't show the port open, so that explains it, but don't see why 2009-02-24 10:48:42 jbrinley JodiS: it's a lightning talk, probably not much time to spend on preliminaries 2009-02-24 10:48:45 mbklein Yeah, *this* is what's hard to read. :) 2009-02-24 10:48:48 akorphan json_bracket_headache-- 2009-02-24 10:48:50 BigD too bad you guys are sitting in the back 2009-02-24 10:48:55 BigD these slide are AWESOME 2009-02-24 10:48:58 JodiS jbrinley: ok, but I want *SOMEBODY* to talk about plugin writing 2009-02-24 10:49:06 jtgorman jtgorman sighs 2009-02-24 10:49:11 emcrens Bah... underachievers always sit in the back... lol 2009-02-24 10:49:12 JodiS ditto on wanting font recs 2009-02-24 10:49:15 jrochkind100 just generic 'plugin writing'? That's like having a talk about programming. 2009-02-24 10:49:20 fak3r gsf: will try again in a bit, for now SSH -> home server and irssi from there is working better than mibbit 2009-02-24 10:49:28 BigD i got in here at 4:30 am 2009-02-24 10:49:29 jtgorman part of the training for one of our things is supposed to be that it will be down early morning, just like the rest of our system... 2009-02-24 10:49:34 jtgorman :P 2009-02-24 10:49:38 BigD just so i could read these slides from the front 2009-02-24 10:49:40 BLTnoTomato BLTnoTomato is getting closer and closer to do the Happy Dance as I start putting things in drupal for "testing" :) 2009-02-24 10:49:42 cbarr follow the 10/20/30 rule for ppt presentations: http://blog.guykawasaki.com/2005/12/the_102030_rule.html 2009-02-24 10:49:58 JodiS jrochkind100: there's context of supybot. and context of breaksalot 2009-02-24 10:49:58 gsf fak3r: that's what i'm doing as well 2009-02-24 10:49:59 jbrinley JodiS: here's the summary: find a plugin that does something similar to what you want, copy it, and make a few small changes 2009-02-24 10:50:00 BigD what's up with mibbit not showing the server pulldown? 2009-02-24 10:50:07 gsf fabthough there is lag 2009-02-24 10:50:07 BigD trying to get brad into irc 2009-02-24 10:50:08 robcaSSon json++ 2009-02-24 10:50:11 jfereira guykawasaki++ 2009-02-24 10:50:19 anarchivist BigD: uh oh 2009-02-24 10:50:24 JodiS jbrinley: ok, sure, but, pull it down from WHERE? and then share it with WHOM? 2009-02-24 10:50:33 jtgorman jtgorman should have put the warning on the stupid webapps in the first place regardless of what the managers/etc/other folks thought 2009-02-24 10:50:35 Kerwick BigD: I had to refresh a few times and wait... 2009-02-24 10:50:37 JodiS JodiS wants a wiki page if not a talk 2009-02-24 10:50:37 lbjay @dunno add this is probably really hard to read, but 中古漢語 2009-02-24 10:50:38 zoia lbjay: The operation succeeded. Dunno #299 added. 2009-02-24 10:50:41 BigD that's aright anarchivist, he'll know you for the buttwad u r 2009-02-24 10:50:44 JodiS looked up at slides, but made my eyes hurt :( 2009-02-24 10:50:46 jbrinley JodiS: http://svn.breaksalot.org/supybot-plugins/plugins/ 2009-02-24 10:50:47 cbeer fak3r: why not an ssh tunnel? 2009-02-24 10:50:48 BigD Kerwick: thanks 2009-02-24 10:50:48 anarchivist BigD++ 2009-02-24 10:50:59 jbrinley JodiS: ask jsf for a password if you want to commit 2009-02-24 10:51:07 LibraryThingT In the future WHOM will be a valid SQL phrase. 2009-02-24 10:51:09 jbrinley JodiS: s/jsf/gsf/ 2009-02-24 10:51:13 JodiS jbrinley: I want EVERYONE to know. 2009-02-24 10:51:13 gsf fak3r: though there is lag 2009-02-24 10:51:23 timmcgeary cheating++ 2009-02-24 10:51:24 JodiS jbrinley: and I've never written a bot plugin, so I haven't got the faintest clue 2009-02-24 10:51:32 ecorrado ecorrado is using a 20/20/28 rule 2009-02-24 10:51:34 dchud big fonts! color contrast! hide yer toolbars! 2009-02-24 10:51:42 JodiS does white on black work better, do you think? (thinking about slides for tomorrow) 2009-02-24 10:51:46 wtd WHOM and WHENCE. 2009-02-24 10:51:47 dansuchy wait- there are slides? heh 2009-02-24 10:51:58 ecorrado ecorrado may change that though, since I didn't finish my presentation yet 2009-02-24 10:52:04 BigD one letter per slide 2009-02-24 10:52:07 robcaSSon presenters: but stay in-channel 2009-02-24 10:52:08 dchud LibraryThingTim: in the future HUH will be a valid SQL datatype 2009-02-24 10:52:09 kgs why not WHILST? 2009-02-24 10:52:13 lbjay BigD++ 2009-02-24 10:52:14 Kerwick JodiS: I tend to go with black text on white background 2009-02-24 10:52:19 akorphan Black on white isn't bad, but stroke width and font size are important. 2009-02-24 10:52:32 BigD akorphan: that's what she said 2009-02-24 10:52:35 lbjay @wordstats add font 2009-02-24 10:52:36 zoia lbjay: The operation succeeded. 2009-02-24 10:52:38 jbrinley light grey on lighter grey 2009-02-24 10:52:39 wtd Or in programming: whensoever (num > 1) { print "foo" } 2009-02-24 10:52:46 LibraryThingT What does ++ mean in IRC. Is that when we drink? 2009-02-24 10:52:50 JodiS whensoever++ 2009-02-24 10:52:56 JodiS LibraryThingTim: it's karma 2009-02-24 10:52:59 JodiS @karma 2009-02-24 10:52:59 wickr those slashes look nasty 2009-02-24 10:53:00 zoia JodiS: Highest karma: "edsu" (1062), "mjgiarlo" (1051), and "dbs" (855). Lowest karma: "iii" (-163), "sirsidynix" (-72), and "-" (-54). You (JodiS) are ranked 26 out of 8139. 2009-02-24 10:53:00 timmcgeary karma 2009-02-24 10:53:05 jbrinley LibraryThingTim: ++ adds to your karma, -- takes it away 2009-02-24 10:53:07 jfereira ++ = CUP+FORK 2009-02-24 10:53:12 jbrinley @karma LibraryThingTim 2009-02-24 10:53:12 gsf JodiS: red text on black background 2009-02-24 10:53:12 zoia jbrinley: LibraryThingTim has neutral karma. 2009-02-24 10:53:15 ecorrado @karma 2009-02-24 10:53:16 akorphan CUPFORK++ 2009-02-24 10:53:17 zoia ecorrado: Highest karma: "edsu" (1062), "mjgiarlo" (1051), and "dbs" (855). Lowest karma: "iii" (-163), "sirsidynix" (-72), and "-" (-54). You (ecorrado) are ranked 30 out of 8139. 2009-02-24 10:53:18 anarchivist LibraryThingTim: it's worshipping the ghost of vannevar bush 2009-02-24 10:53:22 timmcgeary @karma 2009-02-24 10:53:22 gsf JodiS: metal font 2009-02-24 10:53:23 zoia timmcgeary: Highest karma: "edsu" (1062), "mjgiarlo" (1051), and "dbs" (855). Lowest karma: "iii" (-163), "sirsidynix" (-72), and "-" (-54). You (timmcgeary) are ranked 343 out of 8140. 2009-02-24 10:53:23 wtd librarythingtim++ 2009-02-24 10:53:25 bess LibraryThingTim++ # for the book covers! 2009-02-24 10:53:33 JodiS akorphan & Kerwick: thanks, will check the font size etc 2009-02-24 10:53:35 ecorrado @karma ecorrado 2009-02-24 10:53:36 zoia ecorrado: Karma for "ecorrado" has been increased 136 times and decreased 12 times for a total karma of 124. 2009-02-24 10:53:37 skoczko OK, jangle looked fine util I saw different URLs for the same resource with diff representation (marc, mods)_ 2009-02-24 10:53:42 wtd librarythingtim++ # For the OCLC logo 2009-02-24 10:53:45 jbrinley @karma LibraryThing 2009-02-24 10:53:45 kgs LibraryThingTim you can even have a kind of plus-minus +- 2009-02-24 10:53:46 zoia jbrinley: Karma for "LibraryThing" has been increased 4 times and decreased 0 times for a total karma of 4. 2009-02-24 10:53:50 abarrera LibraryThingTim: i prefer it to be when we drink 2009-02-24 10:53:53 skoczko why not simply use the Content-Type header? 2009-02-24 10:54:02 MikeTaylor Can anything be done about zoia? 2009-02-24 10:54:11 JodiS @insult zoia 2009-02-24 10:54:12 zoia zoia: You are nothing but a mangled mound of foul seagull. 2009-02-24 10:54:13 anarchivist kobold_chieftain++ 2009-02-24 10:54:13 timmcgeary @bartender 2009-02-24 10:54:17 zoia zoia fills a pint glass with Redhook IPA, and sends it sliding down the bar to timmcgeary (http://beeradvocate.com/beer/profile/1330/70) 2009-02-24 10:54:26 skoczko that;s retarded 2009-02-24 10:54:29 lbjay @eightball can anything be done about you? 2009-02-24 10:54:30 zoia lbjay: No chance. 2009-02-24 10:54:33 BillDueber "just needs search" 2009-02-24 10:54:34 timmcgeary I haven't had Redhook in a long time... nice memories 2009-02-24 10:54:35 lbjay zoia++ 2009-02-24 10:54:45 gsf skoczko: ask that conneg question 2009-02-24 10:54:48 robcaSSon kochief++ 2009-02-24 10:54:54 anarchivist kochief++ 2009-02-24 10:55:00 LibraryThingT That's fairly crazy, IMHO. Mechanization of social processes impoverish. But, I should hold off criticism as a newbie. 2009-02-24 10:55:22 dbs kochief? 2009-02-24 10:55:22 JodiS want to share anders' slides with somebody... wish they were up already at http://code4lib.org/conference/2009/schedule 2009-02-24 10:55:26 bess rsinger++ 2009-02-24 10:55:33 JodiS dbs: missing your presence 2009-02-24 10:55:33 ecorrado ecorrado thinks his slides would be great if he uses white on white 2009-02-24 10:55:43 JodiS ecorrado-- 2009-02-24 10:55:45 lbjay JodiS++ # grind us down 2009-02-24 10:56:07 BigD dbs: even I miss you. not much. maybe a little. 2009-02-24 10:56:17 akorphan @karma bacon 2009-02-24 10:56:18 zoia akorphan: Karma for "bacon" has been increased 30 times and decreased 3 times for a total karma of 27. 2009-02-24 10:56:24 dbs aww, BigD++ JodiS++ 2009-02-24 10:56:25 ecorrado @sing deadmilkman i believe in swordfish 2009-02-24 10:56:28 zoia ecorrado: No songs found by deadmilkman i believe in swordfish 2009-02-24 10:56:31 BillDueber OK. Who the hell decreased karma for bacon????? 2009-02-24 10:56:44 kgs the OPACsphere! 2009-02-24 10:56:47 robcaSSon @ana rsinger is the community 2009-02-24 10:56:49 zoia robcaSSon: Snoutish, meriting mercy 2009-02-24 10:56:54 dbs @sing dead milkmen : i believe in swordfish 2009-02-24 10:56:55 ecorrado @sing deadmilkman 2009-02-24 10:56:56 dchud JodiS: i will mention to Anders... am sitting next to him 2009-02-24 10:56:58 zoia dbs: No lyrics for i believe in swordfish by dead milkmen. Searched lyricwiki & lyricsty 2009-02-24 10:56:58 zoia ecorrado: No songs found by deadmilkman 2009-02-24 10:57:00 JodiS dchud++ 2009-02-24 10:57:02 lbjay edsu: do you have a google map api key for inkdroid? 2009-02-24 10:57:06 jtgorman maybe some folks think talking about bacon all the time is a boar 2009-02-24 10:57:07 miker_ spherepac? 2009-02-24 10:57:10 taco swordfish = 132112789371289738912 bit encryption 2009-02-24 10:57:11 dchud BillDueber: probably me 2009-02-24 10:57:17 ecorrado @sing the deadmilkman : swordfish 2009-02-24 10:57:19 gsf dbs: kochief 2009-02-24 10:57:19 mbklein faster++ 2009-02-24 10:57:22 edsu lbjay: i don't but i could 2009-02-24 10:57:22 kat3 rsinger: breathe! 2009-02-24 10:57:28 zoia ecorrado: No lyrics for swordfish by the deadmilkman. Searched lyricwiki & lyricsty 2009-02-24 10:57:48 ecorrado @sing the dead milk man 2009-02-24 10:57:49 zoia ecorrado: No songs found by the dead milk man 2009-02-24 10:57:59 ecorrado ecorrado gives up 2009-02-24 10:58:02 ecorrado zoia-- 2009-02-24 10:58:34 dansuchy i'll give a dollar to anyone who gets up and beatboxes into that mic 2009-02-24 10:58:35 mjg_ @sing the dead milkmen : takin' retards to the zoo 2009-02-24 10:58:37 fak3r what we need is; more TLAs and more standards 2009-02-24 10:58:40 zoia It's a boring day - I've got nothing to do / Except to get a load of retards and drive 'em to the zoo / Oh oh oh takin' retards to the zoo (x2) / Load 'em on a bus just for laughs 2009-02-24 10:58:40 dhanu is it possible for the presenters to mail the slideshow to the mailing list just before the presentation? 2009-02-24 10:58:45 miker_ dbs: janglechief 2009-02-24 10:59:02 mbklein @reload FOAF 2009-02-24 10:59:03 zoia mbklein: The operation succeeded. 2009-02-24 10:59:05 kat3 ecorrado: The Dead Milkmen, i think? 2009-02-24 10:59:05 MrDys edge_cases-- 2009-02-24 10:59:06 anarchivist dhanu: not me; my presentation is a 60 MB pdf 2009-02-24 10:59:12 mjg_ zoia++ 2009-02-24 10:59:13 dhanu oops 2009-02-24 10:59:15 dhanu :) 2009-02-24 10:59:18 rosy1280_ lunch++ 2009-02-24 10:59:21 mbklein @knows mbklein rsinger 2009-02-24 10:59:24 zoia mbklein: mbklein knows rsinger, but rsinger does not know mbklein. 2009-02-24 10:59:37 mbklein @list foaf 2009-02-24 10:59:38 zoia mbklein: foaf, forget, know, known, knows, and predicates 2009-02-24 10:59:42 ecorrado @sing the dead milkmen : swordfish 2009-02-24 10:59:44 MikeTaylor Is an API the opposite of an IPA? That would explain why everyone is saying that APIs suck. 2009-02-24 10:59:44 zoia Some people believe in astrology / Others believe in technology / Some people believe in all those "ologies" / But I believe in swordfish 2009-02-24 10:59:47 mbklein @foaf rsinger interest 2009-02-24 10:59:50 zoia mbklein: rsinger : , , , , , 2009-02-24 10:59:51 bess bess is thinking about a jangle plugin for omeka 2009-02-24 10:59:53 jrochkind100 First we get rid of the edge cases, then we get rid of the users, and everything will be so much simpler. 2009-02-24 11:00:11 akorphan 90-90 rule ftw 2009-02-24 11:00:15 anarchivist ugh, omeka 2009-02-24 11:00:17 skoczko I like both APIs and IPAs 2009-02-24 11:00:19 jrochkind100 I still don't entirely understand what I need to do to create a jangle connector. 2009-02-24 11:00:22 escowles swordfish lyrics: http://leoslyrics.com/listlyrics.php?hid=Z9L507L9t6U%3D 2009-02-24 11:00:23 jrochkind100 Yes, breakout session. 2009-02-24 11:00:24 ecorrado jangle_breakout++ 2009-02-24 11:00:29 LibraryThingT It'd be nice if libraryland had some APIs. Then they could suck. 2009-02-24 11:00:29 MikeTaylor jrochkind100: are you the guy who was trying to find a way to express DC Type in an OpenURL? 2009-02-24 11:00:32 anarchivist BREAKOUT YO JANGLE 2009-02-24 11:00:36 kat3 rsinger++ #awesome awesome! 2009-02-24 11:00:38 rjw angle_breakout++ 2009-02-24 11:00:46 JodiS exactly on time, thanks to rsinger's speedy delivery. rsinger++ 2009-02-24 11:00:47 BillDueber rsinger++ 2009-02-24 11:00:48 dhanu ++ "jangle plugin for omeka" 2009-02-24 11:00:53 akorphan the angle of the jangle is inversely proportional to the ongle of the dongle. 2009-02-24 11:01:00 edsu LibraryThingTim: see also MikeTaylor 2009-02-24 11:01:04 anarchivist puppies++ 2009-02-24 11:01:09 JodiS dhanu: or just post it up on http://code4lib.org/conference/2009/schedule at that time, to save our mailboxes from the overload 2009-02-24 11:01:13 timmcgeary rsinger++ 2009-02-24 11:01:14 paulalbert not ejecting the device properly-- 2009-02-24 11:01:18 jbrinley edsu: any idea why zoia isn't included in the LOD-attendees list? 2009-02-24 11:01:18 timmcgeary jangle_breakout++ 2009-02-24 11:01:22 akorphan paulalbert: that's what she said. 2009-02-24 11:01:35 abarrera akorphan++ 2009-02-24 11:01:36 fak3r oh, canada 2009-02-24 11:01:44 dhanu yeap, a link to the slideshow would be better 2009-02-24 11:01:48 timmcgeary akorphan: beat me to it 2009-02-24 11:02:06 akorphan slideshows_on_wiki++ 2009-02-24 11:02:10 harmless @karma canada 2009-02-24 11:02:10 zoia harmless: Karma for "canada" has been increased 7 times and decreased 3 times for a total karma of 4. 2009-02-24 11:02:12 jrochkind100 miketaylor: yeah, that was me. openurl-- 2009-02-24 11:02:13 edsu jbrinley: does zoia's uri resolve? 2009-02-24 11:02:24 paulalbert akorphan: that 2009-02-24 11:02:26 bess canada++ 2009-02-24 11:02:37 ecorrado canada_geese-- 2009-02-24 11:02:38 paulalbert akorphan: that's what she said montage http://showhype.com/video/every_single_thats_what_she_said_from_the_office/ 2009-02-24 11:02:39 dhanu slideshows_on_wiki b4 the presentation ++ :) 2009-02-24 11:02:43 LibraryThingT APIs++ 2009-02-24 11:02:58 miker_ bess: indeed 2009-02-24 11:03:03 akorphan one_API_to_rule_them_all++ 2009-02-24 11:03:05 MikeTaylor I think OpenURL 0.1 was a fine example of a specification said just enough to be very usefu; and 1.0 is an example of one that says much too much to useful. 2009-02-24 11:03:15 bess are there two break out sessions? 2009-02-24 11:03:24 jbrinley edsu: yes 2009-02-24 11:03:24 jbrinley edsu: http://www.code4lib.org/id/zoia 2009-02-24 11:03:29 bess I mean, two time slots? or only one? 2009-02-24 11:03:34 timmcgeary one today and one tomorrow 2009-02-24 11:03:36 jrochkind100 MikeTaylor: Agreed. Over-abstracted, over-engineered. 2009-02-24 11:03:53 timmcgeary i think just one 2009-02-24 11:03:54 MikeTaylor JR: we should get together and bitch about that later :-) 2009-02-24 11:04:00 mbklein @reload FOAF 2009-02-24 11:04:01 zoia mbklein: The operation succeeded. 2009-02-24 11:04:02 dchud JodiS: message sent and received 2009-02-24 11:04:02 skoczko forget Lucene, use zebra :) 2009-02-24 11:04:03 dchud does anyone know whatever might have come out of the work on search metrics at Emory that Aaron Krowne demo'd at c4l '06? 2009-02-24 11:04:04 jtgorman btw, anyone ever use http://www.rockbox.org/ 2009-02-24 11:04:04 mbklein @foaf rsinger interest 2009-02-24 11:04:07 zoia mbklein: rsinger : "library technology", , , , , 2009-02-24 11:04:09 JodiS dchud: thanks! 2009-02-24 11:04:09 jbrinley bess: one today, one tomorrow 2009-02-24 11:04:26 Kerwick zebra++ 2009-02-24 11:04:29 fak3r jtgorman: I ran it on my 4th gen iPod (20G) worked great 2009-02-24 11:04:35 dlovins @foaf dlovins 2009-02-24 11:04:36 zoia dlovins: (foaf ) -- Returns the objects of the given predicate in the given nick's FOAF. 2009-02-24 11:04:49 dlovins @foaf dlovins interest 2009-02-24 11:04:50 zoia dlovins: I don't know dlovins's URI. 2009-02-24 11:05:00 jtgorman fak3r: cool 2009-02-24 11:05:01 ejk jtgorman: I tried it, but went back to stock ater I couldn't find my podcasts easily 2009-02-24 11:05:12 MikeTaylor Is there a way to block zoia's messages? (I assume this entity is a bot.) 2009-02-24 11:05:14 jtgorman ejk: how easy is it go to back to stock? 2009-02-24 11:05:24 LibraryThingT one_API_to_rule_them_all-- (OCLC would run it) 2009-02-24 11:05:24 LibraryThingT rsinger: Good talk. 2009-02-24 11:05:30 timmcgeary network_buffering-- 2009-02-24 11:05:32 fak3r jtgorman: also ran Linux on the iPod, but didn't performas well 2009-02-24 11:05:40 rsinger_ LibraryThingTim: thanks :) 2009-02-24 11:05:44 ejk pretty sure there's a windows util that GUIfies install and uninstall 2009-02-24 11:05:47 jtgorman ejk: I mean, I've only done a little of firmware tinkering, but I thout it was pretty tricky to reverse... 2009-02-24 11:05:51 jtgorman ejk: nice 2009-02-24 11:05:53 wtd rsinger: Well done. 2009-02-24 11:05:56 jbrinley MikeTaylor: /ignore zoia 2009-02-24 11:06:03 jtgorman oh, LibraryThingTim++ 2009-02-24 11:06:08 kgs rsinger++ 2009-02-24 11:06:09 MikeTaylor Thanks, jbrinley 2009-02-24 11:06:13 jbrinley MikeTaylor: but you'll be missing out 2009-02-24 11:06:14 BigD mibbit is being a pita 2009-02-24 11:06:16 jtgorman just for wandering in channel ;) 2009-02-24 11:06:17 MikeTaylor :0-) 2009-02-24 11:06:30 jtgorman BigD: mibbit is pretty much a constant pita 2009-02-24 11:06:42 wtd miketaylor: /ignore zoia all 2009-02-24 11:06:52 kgs BigD chatzilla not working for you? 2009-02-24 11:06:52 scolford scolford thinks zoia should deliver next year's keynote. 2009-02-24 11:07:01 LibraryThingT Who has these schemas with only eight tables? 2009-02-24 11:07:01 skoczko we had XML, JSON now it's time for 3-norm SQL schemas 2009-02-24 11:07:08 BigD i'm fine on pidgin thru work vpn 2009-02-24 11:07:10 rsinger_ panizzi gave a lightning talk at the first c4l 2009-02-24 11:07:10 jfereira passwords_in_the_commandline-- 2009-02-24 11:07:13 zoia panizzi is dead. long live panizzi! 2009-02-24 11:07:17 BigD trying to get bradw on thru mibbit 2009-02-24 11:07:20 cbeer mibbit-- ssh_tunnels++ 2009-02-24 11:07:24 mbklein scolford: Or at least deliver a realtime transcript through @lolz 2009-02-24 11:07:41 LibraryThingT Does LuSQL need to exist? Strikes me as "Systemitis" (Joel on Software). Just code something up. No? 2009-02-24 11:07:47 jrochkind100 so who wants to set up an ssh tunnel that we can all use? 2009-02-24 11:07:59 jrochkind100 Yeah, I'm having trouble figuring out why I'd need lusql too. 2009-02-24 11:08:00 bess I think lusql is pretty cool, but if one of his selling points is that it's less complex than solr he isn't selling me. 2009-02-24 11:08:04 fak3r -password="LUNCH" 2009-02-24 11:08:04 MikeTaylor Architecture astronautics. 2009-02-24 11:08:09 mbklein bess++ 2009-02-24 11:08:24 akorphan lunch++ 2009-02-24 11:08:25 anarchivist multithreading++ 2009-02-24 11:08:26 jrochkind100 the thing you invent yourself is always easier to use (for YOU) then the thing someone else invented. 2009-02-24 11:08:38 MikeTaylor SO true! 2009-02-24 11:08:39 skoczko cool slide 2009-02-24 11:08:42 ecorrado bacon4lunch++ 2009-02-24 11:08:47 LibraryThingT Which is both good and bad. But either way, meh. 2009-02-24 11:08:48 rsinger_ it seems as though when this has DSLs written for it, it will be.. solr 2009-02-24 11:08:49 MikeTaylor It is the reason that NIH syndrome is not always so dumb. 2009-02-24 11:08:51 jtgorman LibraryThingTim: I've seen some schemas that were only two or three tables. Granted, they should have been thirty ;) 2009-02-24 11:08:57 erikhatcher bess: his sql stuff is less complex than Solr's DIH.... you just aren't putting relational databases into Solr directly :) 2009-02-24 11:08:57 erikhatcher DIH is a pain 2009-02-24 11:09:03 timmcgeary bess: agreed 2009-02-24 11:09:07 jrochkind100 rsinger_: jangle breakout yes please. 2009-02-24 11:09:09 jtgorman Address1,Address2,Address3 wheeeeee 2009-02-24 11:09:18 BigD hiya mmmmmrob! yer not here, are u? 2009-02-24 11:09:23 MikeTaylor How come SQL is even still on the agenda here in the 21st centurt? 2009-02-24 11:09:27 rsinger_ jrochkind100: so, tomorrow, i guess? 2009-02-24 11:09:28 erikhatcher being able to do simple relational -> Solr mapping is the key... without a bunch of ridiculous XML in the way 2009-02-24 11:09:41 jrochkind100 what does 'dsl' stand for anyway? I get what it is,b ut I never heard it before a couple months ago. 2009-02-24 11:09:47 mmmmmrob BigD: nope, couldn't come this year, but rjw will buy you a beer if you tell him I sent you ;-) 2009-02-24 11:09:49 bess rsinger_: jangle breakout session not at the same time as the blacklight breakout session, yes please! 2009-02-24 11:09:57 akorphan MikeTaylor: It works, it's readable, it's in wide use.... 2009-02-24 11:10:02 BigD mmmmmrob: heh, will do ;) 2009-02-24 11:10:06 rsinger_ bess: when is that? 2009-02-24 11:10:12 anarchivist anarchivist votes for jangle breakout tomorrow 2009-02-24 11:10:16 rjw rjw hides under table 2009-02-24 11:10:17 rsinger_ there are two breakouts proposed already today 2009-02-24 11:10:19 highermath drupal + food tonight? 2009-02-24 11:10:22 rsinger_ although i suppose we don't need a formal "room" 2009-02-24 11:10:27 erikhatcher MikeTaylor: because the real world uses relational databases 2009-02-24 11:10:31 rsinger_ YOU AND YOUR BOUNDARIES 2009-02-24 11:10:35 bess erikhatcher: did you put the BL breakout down for today or tomorrow? 2009-02-24 11:10:42 rjw informal_room++ 2009-02-24 11:10:43 atz impressive performance... especially considering it's in java 2009-02-24 11:10:44 atz impressive performance... especially considering it's in java 2009-02-24 11:10:46 timmcgeary I think this large room is available for as many small breakouts as needed 2009-02-24 11:10:47 LibraryThingT "How come SQL is even still on the agenda here in the 21st century?" Again, if library systems always had SQL, it could suck. 2009-02-24 11:10:48 erikhatcher lusql++ # slick stuff. i'd want it to send to solr though :) 2009-02-24 11:10:50 jfereira drupal+food++ 2009-02-24 11:10:59 BigD rjw: there's beer under the tables? 2009-02-24 11:11:00 MikeTaylor erikhatcher: yes, but why? For libraries, anyway. I can see why financials and things like that still want RDBMS, but it seems wholly inappropriate model for the kinds of stuff we want to do. 2009-02-24 11:11:08 rsinger_ jrochkind100: domain specific language 2009-02-24 11:11:10 robcaSSon solr++ 2009-02-24 11:11:12 bess maybe it would be better to have a jangle b.o. today (the same day as the jangle talk) and a BL b.o. tomorrow (the same day as the BL talk)? 2009-02-24 11:11:12 lbjay google is redirecting me to google.com.au 2009-02-24 11:11:15 erikhatcher bess: tomorrow 2009-02-24 11:11:19 jfereira not anymore... 2009-02-24 11:11:28 rjw BigD: No - just me hiding ;-) 2009-02-24 11:11:32 jbrinley highermath: drupal+food++ 2009-02-24 11:11:37 BigD welcome bradw! 2009-02-24 11:11:37 erikhatcher atz: ouch. contrary to some beliefs, java ain't slow 2009-02-24 11:11:44 bess erikhatcher++ # awesome 2009-02-24 11:11:49 fak3r 1.4 > 0.9 2009-02-24 11:11:52 BigD mibbit finally accepted you 2009-02-24 11:12:04 akorphan FRBR = entity-relationship 2009-02-24 11:12:07 bess rsinger_: can we do a jangle b.o. today? please please please? 2009-02-24 11:12:15 MikeTaylor Contrary to erikhatcher, Java is astonishingly slow in terms of startup. It may be fine once it's up and running, but that is only one aspect of performance. 2009-02-24 11:12:27 rsinger_ yeah, we can see if they can accomodate that 2009-02-24 11:12:43 LibraryThingT How do I find out karma? 2009-02-24 11:12:51 JodiS @karma LibraryThingTim 2009-02-24 11:12:52 mbklein @karma LibraryThingTim 2009-02-24 11:12:52 zoia JodiS: Karma for "LibraryThingTim" has been increased 4 times and decreased 0 times for a total karma of 4. 2009-02-24 11:12:52 jrochkind100 @karma LibraryThingTim 2009-02-24 11:12:53 edsu MikeTaylor: you think everyone should just understand it, or you question its use still? 2009-02-24 11:12:54 erikhatcher MikeTaylor: why? pragmatic. where do you put your metadata? 2009-02-24 11:12:54 zoia mbklein: Karma for "LibraryThingTim" has been increased 4 times and decreased 0 times for a total karma of 4. 2009-02-24 11:12:54 bess LibraryThingTim: @karma 2009-02-24 11:12:55 rsinger_ MikeTaylor: well, but you don't generally use java for CGIs 2009-02-24 11:12:56 zoia jrochkind100: Karma for "LibraryThingTim" has been increased 4 times and decreased 0 times for a total karma of 4. 2009-02-24 11:12:56 lbjay LibraryThingTim: @help karma 2009-02-24 11:12:56 fak3r runningonatinymachine++ 2009-02-24 11:12:57 BigD and now it rejected u 2009-02-24 11:12:58 ecorrado what is a heap? 2009-02-24 11:12:59 LibraryThingT @karma 2009-02-24 11:13:00 zoia LibraryThingTim: Highest karma: "edsu" (1062), "mjgiarlo" (1051), and "dbs" (855). Lowest karma: "iii" (-163), "sirsidynix" (-72), and "-" (-54). 2009-02-24 11:13:17 ecorrado top++ 2009-02-24 11:13:19 atz ecorrado: non-contiguous memory blocks 2009-02-24 11:13:20 atz ecorrado: non-contiguous memory blocks 2009-02-24 11:13:21 kat3 eeek 2009-02-24 11:13:22 jrochkind100 ecorrado: just memory size you have allocated to your java app, basically. 2009-02-24 11:13:23 Kerwick ecorrado: That's a loaded question... 2009-02-24 11:13:24 fak3r multiprocs++ 2009-02-24 11:13:35 paulalbert Note: Solr response time measure under water. 2009-02-24 11:13:36 ecorrado atz++ jrochkind100++ 2009-02-24 11:13:39 lbjay nice 2009-02-24 11:13:39 mbklein Stupid-ass question: Can I run solr queries against a lucene index? 2009-02-24 11:13:40 erikhatcher MikeTaylor: solr ain't slow. it's java. it's not best as a command-line tool, granted... jvm's are heavier beasts for sure. 2009-02-24 11:13:45 abarrera mjgiarlo-- # just to knock you down 2009-02-24 11:13:50 robcaSSon atz: are you seeing double posts from yourself in-channel? 2009-02-24 11:13:52 edsu distributed solr :) 2009-02-24 11:14:02 bess mbklein: yes, you can. 2009-02-24 11:14:04 robcaSSon mbklein: i haven't done it, but yes 2009-02-24 11:14:07 MikeTaylor Uh, oh -- now I am confused about which of things I've been whining about I'm being asked to justify. Metadata belongs in databases that know about document-like records, in this day and age. 2009-02-24 11:14:15 bess mbklein: you just have to match your solr schema to your lucene schema 2009-02-24 11:14:18 erikhatcher mbklein: sure... but you have to develop a matching schema.xml 2009-02-24 11:14:21 robcaSSon it's just lucene with extra goodies 2009-02-24 11:14:24 mjg_ LibraryThingTim: @karma thing 2009-02-24 11:14:38 kgs mbklein: the fact you think that's a stupid-ass question reminds me why I love this conference... it represents Hope 2009-02-24 11:14:44 JodiS MikeTaylor: what kind of database knows about document-like records (really just don't know these things) 2009-02-24 11:14:44 atz robcasson: no... i'm on mibbit... don't even have IRC client on 2009-02-24 11:14:46 atz robcasson: no... i'm on mibbit... don't even have IRC client on 2009-02-24 11:14:54 JodiS kgs++ :) 2009-02-24 11:14:56 mjg_ abarrera: a -- from you feels like ten ++s 2009-02-24 11:14:57 MikeTaylor On Java performance, I tried using the Eclipse IDE and it ran like a dog. I asked jscokso what was going wrong, and he said there was no way it would work properly on a computer with "only" 1Gb RAM. That is just insane. 2009-02-24 11:15:04 LibraryThingT kgs++ 2009-02-24 11:15:07 anarchivist lusql is neat 2009-02-24 11:15:10 MikeTaylor JodiS: Lucene, Zebra? 2009-02-24 11:15:13 anarchivist eclipse is weird 2009-02-24 11:15:16 BigD mjg_++ 2009-02-24 11:15:20 mbklein That makes sense. So one could conceivably take advantage of LuSQL's (reported) low-overhead bulk import capability, and still have all the goodness of solr on the pulling end. 2009-02-24 11:15:28 bess damn... what if you just hooked it up to your ILS's oracle installation? I know that would be pretty hard, but it would also be pretty cool. 2009-02-24 11:15:32 mbklein anarchivist++ true dat 2009-02-24 11:15:33 robcaSSon lusql++ # even if i'd still lean towards solr/DIH 2009-02-24 11:15:36 abarrera mjgiarlo: you love me admit it 2009-02-24 11:15:39 erikhatcher MikeTaylor: 1GB is indeed insane "in this day and age" 2009-02-24 11:15:53 JodiS MikeTaylor: ok. Could you give a REALLY simple talk about why those understand documents... e.g. moving beyond RDBS? 2009-02-24 11:15:55 erikhatcher robcaSSon: note lusql's SolrJ writer 2009-02-24 11:15:56 dchud kgs: are you sure it doesn't just represent Curiosity? 2009-02-24 11:16:00 anarchivist robcaSSon: DIH makes baby cry 2009-02-24 11:16:02 mjg_ abarrera: I'm just glad I no longer have the burden of being atop the crap pile. 2009-02-24 11:16:06 harmless why isn't there some modular platform for indexing where all the pieces can be swapped about? import, indexer, crawler, rdbms, etc. 2009-02-24 11:16:09 MikeTaylor JodiS, interesting idea. 2009-02-24 11:16:14 fak3r JodiS: Htable sofadb 2009-02-24 11:16:14 skoczko Java may lag for desktop app, there is a certain start-ip overhead for the jvm but it's nearly C speed for services 2009-02-24 11:16:18 JodiS harmless: interesting! 2009-02-24 11:16:25 JodiS @ana htable sofadb 2009-02-24 11:16:28 zoia JodiS: Fatheads blob 2009-02-24 11:16:29 robcaSSon robcaSSon puts baby in a corner 2009-02-24 11:16:32 rsinger_ couchdb 2009-02-24 11:16:34 dbs dbs can hear miker_ silently screaming about PostgreSQL FTS 2009-02-24 11:16:34 rsinger_ not sofa 2009-02-24 11:16:34 abarrera mjgiarlo: umm it is better to be atop a crap pile then under it 2009-02-24 11:16:39 erikhatcher DIH sucks in lots of ways, sadly 2009-02-24 11:16:46 anarchivist mjg_ is sofa king ... 2009-02-24 11:16:48 rsinger_ @canuck CouchDB from Apache 2009-02-24 11:16:48 zoia rsinger_: CoachDB from Apawchee, eh? 2009-02-24 11:16:49 mbklein jruby has made me happier than any language platform in a long time. 2009-02-24 11:16:50 JodiS MikeTaylor: I think you understand a LOT of things that most of us don't. 2009-02-24 11:16:54 robcaSSon erikhatcher: i haven't used it. 2009-02-24 11:16:55 fak3r rsinger_: ha, right 2009-02-24 11:16:58 mjg_ "wee todd ed" 2009-02-24 11:16:59 edsu MikeTaylor: i take it you don't like frbr much then ;-) 2009-02-24 11:17:00 atz is everybody seeing double posts from me? 2009-02-24 11:17:01 atz is everybody seeing double posts from me? 2009-02-24 11:17:03 anarchivist @canuck [zen] 2009-02-24 11:17:03 MikeTaylor harmless, we are making such a modular platform. We have most of the pieces, though not all are released yet. The Torus is part of that. (Use=Index Data) 2009-02-24 11:17:05 zoia Yasutani Roshi: The fundamental delusion of humanity is to suppose that I am here and you are oat there., eh? 2009-02-24 11:17:07 anarchivist atz: yes 2009-02-24 11:17:08 rsinger_ atz: yes 2009-02-24 11:17:08 mbklein atz: yes 2009-02-24 11:17:09 jrochkind100 mbklein: were you a java developer first? 2009-02-24 11:17:09 JodiS atz: yes 2009-02-24 11:17:10 mbklein atz: yes 2009-02-24 11:17:12 kgs atz yes yes 2009-02-24 11:17:20 robcaSSon yes 2009-02-24 11:17:20 akorphan atz: yes 2009-02-24 11:17:21 akorphan atz: yes 2009-02-24 11:17:23 robcaSSon yes 2009-02-24 11:17:23 fak3r we need more slides to look at 2009-02-24 11:17:28 fak3r yes 2009-02-24 11:17:34 MikeTaylor JodiS: that is a VERY gracious way of saying "I think you're talking a bunch of crap", thank you! :-) 2009-02-24 11:17:35 BigD no 2009-02-24 11:17:54 JodiS MikeTaylor: I swear it's not. (I'm not shy about saying that either) 2009-02-24 11:17:55 erikhatcher MikeTaylor: but i don't run Eclipse... I use IntelliJ, still would choke on 1GB RAM though, as would most anything with any seriousness like that 2009-02-24 11:17:57 anarchivist hmm, hmm, hmm 2009-02-24 11:18:08 JodiS MikeTaylor: you deal with the technical nuts and bolts, a lot further down that most of us 2009-02-24 11:18:12 anarchivist this might make indexing our oracle tables awesme 2009-02-24 11:18:16 rsinger_ netbeans is ok in 1GB of ram 2009-02-24 11:18:18 mjg_ c'mon solr people 2009-02-24 11:18:19 fak3r should have centered the email address 2009-02-24 11:18:20 mbklein jrochkind100: No. But jruby does the ruby stuff like I expect it to, and the java stuff like I expect it to, and there's nothing stupid in the middle like with other hybrids. And it lets me call Saxon natively from Ruby, which makes me want to sacrifice a goat in thanks. 2009-02-24 11:18:22 mjg_ go ask a damn question. 2009-02-24 11:18:23 JodiS MikeTaylor: though, I'm not sure I'd KNOW if you WERE talking a bunch of crap :) 2009-02-24 11:18:24 rsinger_ depending on what you want to do 2009-02-24 11:18:26 fak3r opps 2009-02-24 11:18:27 BigD MikeTaylor: there's not a lot of "shy" in here 2009-02-24 11:18:29 skoczko I use Netbeans on 1gb laptop works like a charm 2009-02-24 11:18:33 jfereira I run Eclipse on my laptop with 1GB plus lots of other apps without any trouble 2009-02-24 11:18:36 skoczko ubuntu machine 2009-02-24 11:18:47 harmless MikeTaylor: are you working with the lucene/solr folk so that everyone winds up on the same page? if everyone has there own standard, there aren't any standards :) 2009-02-24 11:18:59 mjg_ abarrera: I wish to be out of the pile altogether. 2009-02-24 11:19:02 skoczko Mike: maybe you Eclipse IDE version was written in Perl 2009-02-24 11:19:06 fak3r distsolr++ 2009-02-24 11:19:10 skoczko ? 2009-02-24 11:19:16 LibraryThingT @karma 2009-02-24 11:19:18 zoia LibraryThingTim: Highest karma: "edsu" (1062), "mjgiarlo" (1050), and "dbs" (855). Lowest karma: "iii" (-163), "sirsidynix" (-72), and "-" (-54). 2009-02-24 11:19:18 abarrera mjg_: then why do you work for the government 2009-02-24 11:19:22 anarchivist erikhatcher++ 2009-02-24 11:19:23 skoczko MikeTaylor is a big Perl fan 2009-02-24 11:19:40 fak3r plug 2009-02-24 11:19:41 MikeTaylor harmelss, we have a slightly complex attitude to Lucene, because of course we make Zebra which is in some way a competitor with it. (Except in the sense that they have about 100 times as many users as we do.) 2009-02-24 11:19:48 mjg_ abarrera: I can afford more bacon working for them. 2009-02-24 11:19:51 robcaSSon glen_newton++ 2009-02-24 11:19:51 eom I just googled "performant" to see if it was commonly used, and the top two results are blog posts titled "performant is not a word." 2009-02-24 11:19:59 rsinger_ wayne_newton++ 2009-02-24 11:20:01 robcaSSon indexdata++ 2009-02-24 11:20:07 fak3r eom: nice 2009-02-24 11:20:10 mjg_ fig_newtons++ 2009-02-24 11:20:11 robcaSSon juice_newton-- 2009-02-24 11:20:17 robcaSSon jackasses++ 2009-02-24 11:20:26 abarrera mjg_: yes, government and pork go hand and hand 2009-02-24 11:20:28 MikeTaylor I can't let that go, I am NOT a big Perl fan. I just use it lot because it's so good for getting stuff done, but not even a mother could actually LOVE it. :-) 2009-02-24 11:20:36 mjg_ abarrera: now you get it! 2009-02-24 11:20:38 JodiS nice post about back-channel and presentations: http://pistachioconsulting.com/twitter-presentations/ (also delicious'd under code4lib) 2009-02-24 11:20:41 fak3r bash++ 2009-02-24 11:20:41 kat3 glen_newton++ 2009-02-24 11:20:42 rsinger_ @sing juice newton : queen of hearts 2009-02-24 11:20:45 zoia you're just a heartache in disguise; / Won't you keep my heart from breaking / if it's only for a very short time / Playing with the queen of hearts, 2009-02-24 11:20:45 abarrera mjg_: so get me a job 2009-02-24 11:20:47 anarchivist perl-- 2009-02-24 11:20:51 LibraryThingT perl++ 2009-02-24 11:20:53 harmless MikeTaylor: well, the point to having a modular platform is to level the playing field, so that they're all interchangable. so that a solr app can us an index generated by zebra and fed by lusql ... etc. 2009-02-24 11:20:54 JodiS @quote add if everyone has there own standard, there aren't any standards :) 2009-02-24 11:20:55 zoia JodiS: The operation succeeded. Quote #1722 added. 2009-02-24 11:21:00 mjg_ JodiS++ # for her unparalleled delicious-fu 2009-02-24 11:21:04 BillDueber perl++ 2009-02-24 11:21:04 JodiS :) 2009-02-24 11:21:06 lbjay @quote search perl 2009-02-24 11:21:08 MikeTaylor Harmless: yes. 2009-02-24 11:21:09 zoia lbjay: 16 found: #102: " random carnage is good, as long as the...", #1062: "< lbjay> Perl hackers don't die; they just get...", #1094: "< edsu> gsf: somewhere there is a perl hacker...", #1195: "< Dueber> perl++ < jtgorma1> perl++ <...", #1401: " is it bad to be installing Perl...", #1449: " i had to scrap it together, so...", #1478: " edsu: some of my best friends are...", #1501: (2 more messages) 2009-02-24 11:21:10 anarchivist perl-- 2009-02-24 11:21:20 anarchivist @quote get 1195 2009-02-24 11:21:21 zoia zoia anarchivist: Quote #1195: "< Dueber> perl++ < jtgorma1> perl++ < jjtuttle_> perl-- < lbjay> perl++ < abarrera> perl-- < royt> perl++ < anarchivist> perl--" (added by gsf at 04:44 PM, February 26, 2008) 2009-02-24 11:21:24 robcaSSon JodiS: were you a victim of the magnolia fiasco? 2009-02-24 11:21:25 MikeTaylor On the other hand, one of my battle-cries is: No More New Standards! We have way too many alreadu. 2009-02-24 11:21:26 michaeldb anarchivist: nothing will ever make indexing our oracle tables awesome. 2009-02-24 11:21:27 fak3r cheeze 2009-02-24 11:21:27 michaeldb :( 2009-02-24 11:21:32 lbjay perl++ 2009-02-24 11:21:36 JodiS robcaSSon: nope, I wasn't hip enough to move there 2009-02-24 11:21:37 michaeldb perl-- 2009-02-24 11:21:40 anarchivist michaeldb: you should take a peek at lusql 2009-02-24 11:21:40 erikhatcher MikeTaylor: 100x? ;) 2009-02-24 11:21:42 harmless MikeTaylor: Are there any for this? 2009-02-24 11:21:44 edsu awesome 2009-02-24 11:21:44 lbjay @karma perl 2009-02-24 11:21:45 zoia lbjay: Karma for "perl" has been increased 15 times and decreased 14 times for a total karma of 1. 2009-02-24 11:21:46 fak3r that's phunny 2009-02-24 11:21:46 anarchivist michaeldb: just watched a talk on it 2009-02-24 11:21:47 abarrera @karma abarrera 2009-02-24 11:21:48 robcaSSon JodiS: phew...good 2009-02-24 11:21:48 zoia abarrera: Karma for "abarrera" has been increased 49 times and decreased 4 times for a total karma of 45. 2009-02-24 11:21:50 MrDys @sing bob marley : jammin 2009-02-24 11:21:53 erikhatcher glen_newton++ 2009-02-24 11:21:54 taco perl++ 2009-02-24 11:21:54 zoia We're jammin / I wanna jam it with you, / We're jammin, jammin / And I hope you like jammin too 2009-02-24 11:21:59 anarchivist michaeldb: http://lab.cisti-icist.nrc-cnrc.gc.ca/cistilabswiki/index.php/LuSql 2009-02-24 11:22:02 JodiS robcaSSon: I tried zigtag for awhile, but they were a little too buggy, and the semantic stuff wasn't helping me. may try them again sometime 2009-02-24 11:22:04 akorphan Australia Australia Australia Australia Australia We love you Amen 2009-02-24 11:22:08 mjg_ THE LIGHT 2009-02-24 11:22:08 mjg_ Smoke if ya got 'em. 2009-02-24 11:22:09 fak3r I'm ready for a rest 2009-02-24 11:22:09 rosy1280 accents++ 2009-02-24 11:22:11 abarrera bob_marley++ 2009-02-24 11:22:11 bess australian_accents++ 2009-02-24 11:22:16 fak3r rest++ 2009-02-24 11:22:16 MikeTaylor No, I have no actual numbers on relative deployment of Zebra and Lucene. I was using "100" to mean "a lot". Sorry 2009-02-24 11:22:18 JodiS robcaSSon: the ZIGTAG_IMPORTED_BOOKMARKS (or something like that) show where I imported those 2009-02-24 11:22:26 anarchivist michaeldb: incidentally lee is bugging me about building a web service for bnumber lookups 2009-02-24 11:22:30 akorphan Launch every ZIGTAG 2009-02-24 11:22:35 robcaSSon has the acid i put on the fruit kicked in for anyone yet? 2009-02-24 11:22:39 BigD is there pot under the tables? 2009-02-24 11:22:39 MikeTaylor This here's the wattle, the emblem of our land. 2009-02-24 11:22:42 kgs so far a leading contender for best splash page 2009-02-24 11:22:43 fak3r akorphan: for great justice 2009-02-24 11:22:47 anarchivist robcaSSon: acid++ 2009-02-24 11:22:51 JodiS kgs++ 2009-02-24 11:22:53 gsf the australian! 2009-02-24 11:22:54 mjg_ we've already had three interesting accents. 2009-02-24 11:22:56 MikeTaylor You can stick it in a bottle, you can hold it in your hand. 2009-02-24 11:23:00 abarrera BigD: only under robcaSSon's table 2009-02-24 11:23:04 JodiS international_code4lib++ 2009-02-24 11:23:05 rsinger rsinger sighs. 2009-02-24 11:23:10 akorphan L'Australian! 2009-02-24 11:23:12 jfereira is that a south african accent? 2009-02-24 11:23:13 robcaSSon abarrera++ # /me chuckles 2009-02-24 11:23:15 zoia true, true 2009-02-24 11:23:18 timmcgeary it is 2009-02-24 11:23:21 rsinger me and my stupid non-accent 2009-02-24 11:23:23 eom screen_contrast++ 2009-02-24 11:23:24 harmless ++-- 2009-02-24 11:23:26 edsu lots of rest this year 2009-02-24 11:23:29 skoczko not SOAP 2009-02-24 11:23:35 wtd rsinger: To me you have a foreign accent. 2009-02-24 11:23:36 BigD i could use some rest 2009-02-24 11:23:39 anarchivist "how not to use SOAP and be a dirty restafarian" 2009-02-24 11:23:39 fak3r down with soap 2009-02-24 11:23:40 timmcgeary rsinger: but you've got a beard 2009-02-24 11:23:44 michaeldb anarchivist: unfortunately the complexity is in the db and not in the language used to query it, so i sort of doubt changing languages is going to solve anything 2009-02-24 11:23:44 mjg_ rsinger: L'town represent. (And you don't even have the philly accent.) 2009-02-24 11:23:47 michaeldb but i'll look 2009-02-24 11:23:49 mib_1t6px3yd RESTafarians don't use soap, mon. 2009-02-24 11:23:50 jbrinley yes, white on black clearly wins 2009-02-24 11:23:53 anarchivist michaeldb: right 2009-02-24 11:23:53 edsu BigD++ 2009-02-24 11:23:54 rsinger wtd++ # that's the spirit 2009-02-24 11:23:56 fak3r businessLogic mention 2009-02-24 11:23:56 skoczko damn, that's like promoting one buzzword because it's against principles of the other 2009-02-24 11:23:59 mjg_ anarchivist++ 2009-02-24 11:24:08 bess soap-- 2009-02-24 11:24:08 timmcgeary mib_1t6px3yd++ 2009-02-24 11:24:12 mjg_ "don't." 2009-02-24 11:24:17 BigD what did he say? 2009-02-24 11:24:28 BigD i can't understand his outRAGEOUS accent 2009-02-24 11:24:29 erikhatcher MikeTaylor: may a thousand search engines bloom. of course i'm biased, but that's because i'm a simple man that gets things to work elegantly and easily with Lucene/Solr. but i'm pragmatic and focused on those technologies personally. to each their own, of course. except perl-- ;) 2009-02-24 11:24:30 rsinger sinatra++ 2009-02-24 11:24:32 fak3r white hat? no 2009-02-24 11:24:35 rsinger W00T! 2009-02-24 11:24:37 rjw soap-- 2009-02-24 11:24:44 fak3r not-- 2009-02-24 11:24:51 scolford @known scolford 2009-02-24 11:24:51 zoia scolford: scolford's URI is 2009-02-24 11:24:54 rsinger btw, Jangle's ruby implementation is in sinatra 2009-02-24 11:25:01 timmcgeary effort-- 2009-02-24 11:25:05 harmless waaaay too many ruby frameworks. i'm so glad merb is going into rails 3. 2009-02-24 11:25:09 fak3r lessEffort++ 2009-02-24 11:25:12 BigD the best software comes from lazy bastards 2009-02-24 11:25:18 bess rsinger: good to know. I can't wait to take a closer look at it. 2009-02-24 11:25:22 akorphan wiki_lazy_documentation_approach++ 2009-02-24 11:25:26 mjg_ @aussie many of us struggle talk to one another 2009-02-24 11:25:26 zoia mjg_: SHRIMP ON THE BARBIE, MATES! 2009-02-24 11:25:28 rsinger bess: it's pretty awesome 2009-02-24 11:25:28 LibraryThingT Is rest++ controversial anywhere? 2009-02-24 11:25:29 harmless lazy++ 2009-02-24 11:25:30 dansuchy documentation? never heard of it... 2009-02-24 11:25:36 scolford @known scolford 2009-02-24 11:25:37 zoia scolford: scolford's URI is 2009-02-24 11:25:37 Kerwick BIgD: Why thank you ;-) 2009-02-24 11:25:47 rsinger bess: in its simplicity 2009-02-24 11:25:49 fak3r sounds a bit personal 2009-02-24 11:25:58 ecorrado @karma rest 2009-02-24 11:25:58 rjw "is PUT" - discuss 2009-02-24 11:25:59 zoia ecorrado: Karma for "rest" has been increased 4 times and decreased 0 times for a total karma of 4. 2009-02-24 11:26:00 akorphan @knows akorphan cazzerson 2009-02-24 11:26:00 zoia akorphan: I don't know cazzerson's URI 2009-02-24 11:26:13 mjg_ BigD: we have an australian translator implemented in zoia. 2009-02-24 11:26:24 LibraryThingT Aaargh. Talking-- 2009-02-24 11:26:26 akorphan Crikey! 2009-02-24 11:26:26 ecorrado talk_talk_talk-- 2009-02-24 11:26:29 kgs royt what's your foaf? 2009-02-24 11:26:32 BigD zoia-- 2009-02-24 11:26:32 rsinger @aussie issues 2009-02-24 11:26:32 ecorrado do_do_do++ 2009-02-24 11:26:33 zoia rsinger: SHRIMP ON THE BARBIE, MATES! 2009-02-24 11:26:34 mjg_ analysis_paralysis-- 2009-02-24 11:26:37 jbrinley @known royt 2009-02-24 11:26:37 zoia jbrinley: royt's URI is 2009-02-24 11:26:38 bess rsinger: jangle breakout today? sorry if you answered that already and I missed it. 2009-02-24 11:26:38 mib_9lugeygu tet 2009-02-24 11:26:47 kgs jbrinley duh. kgs-- 2009-02-24 11:26:49 erikhatcher MikeTaylor++ # for comment on Perl. 2009-02-24 11:26:50 skoczko SOA != SOAP 2009-02-24 11:26:52 LibraryThingT taking it on the chin-- 2009-02-24 11:26:56 LibraryThingT quitting++ 2009-02-24 11:26:57 rsinger bess: we'll need to see if they can accomodate 2009-02-24 11:27:13 rjw older_gentlemen++ 2009-02-24 11:27:15 fak3r you can't stop him quoting - rebel 2009-02-24 11:27:32 BigD silver bullets tickle 2009-02-24 11:27:35 fak3r snake oil ca? 2009-02-24 11:27:36 erikhatcher australia++ 2009-02-24 11:27:44 escowles snake_oil++ 2009-02-24 11:28:07 harmless australia has a lot of interesting snakes. 2009-02-24 11:28:19 highermath let's leave that slide up for the rest of the day 2009-02-24 11:28:23 highermath oops 2009-02-24 11:28:25 MikeTaylor australia has a lot of interesting spiders. 2009-02-24 11:28:28 fak3r 500 error,d damn 2009-02-24 11:28:39 mjg_ @aussie I would like one order of grilled prawns, good friends! 2009-02-24 11:28:39 fak3r click reload! 2009-02-24 11:28:40 zoia mjg_: SHRIMP ON THE BARBIE, MATES! 2009-02-24 11:28:49 mib_1t6px3yd API suck happens 2009-02-24 11:28:52 LibraryThingT Error pages should have a wiki version of the code. 2009-02-24 11:28:54 bess @cagematch developers vs. sysadmins 2009-02-24 11:28:55 zoia bess: is that some kinda fucked up sparql query? 2009-02-24 11:28:56 akorphan Pe-heps if we'ah quoiet she'll let us get a lit'l CLOISAH.... 2009-02-24 11:28:58 rsinger mjg_++ 2009-02-24 11:29:01 MikeTaylor 500 is the new Segmenation Violation Core Dumped. 2009-02-24 11:29:02 fak3r sysadmins++ 2009-02-24 11:29:05 mjg_ zoia++ 2009-02-24 11:29:07 ecorrado bacon_wrapped_shrimp++ 2009-02-24 11:29:16 fak3r akorphan++ 2009-02-24 11:29:17 paulalbert dingo: don't eat my baby! 2009-02-24 11:29:21 LibraryThingT talking about food when I can't have any-- 2009-02-24 11:29:32 fak3r extreme mention 2009-02-24 11:29:58 BigD abarrera: don't eat my baby! 2009-02-24 11:30:12 timmcgeary wireless-- 2009-02-24 11:30:14 edsu MikeTaylor++ 2009-02-24 11:30:21 mib_1t6px3yd standard suck happens too 2009-02-24 11:30:21 LibraryThingT standards-- 2009-02-24 11:30:22 lbjay lbjay is waiting for the stuff that's specific to REST 2009-02-24 11:30:22 edsu @quote add < MikeTaylor> 500 is the new Segmenation Violation Core Dumped. 2009-02-24 11:30:23 zoia edsu: The operation succeeded. Quote #1723 added. 2009-02-24 11:30:26 eom Mind if we call you Bruce, keep things simple? 2009-02-24 11:30:29 mjg_ standards: up yours. 2009-02-24 11:30:32 abarrera BigD: looks like a slab of bacon to me 2009-02-24 11:30:32 fak3r sword mention 2009-02-24 11:30:58 edsu awesome :) 2009-02-24 11:30:59 robcaSSon robcaSSon can't focus 2009-02-24 11:31:00 BigD mets profiles = dark path 2009-02-24 11:31:08 mjg_ crap, are people actually going to pay attention to our sword thing? 2009-02-24 11:31:09 abarrera mjg_: did you download the star wars light saber app for your phone? 2009-02-24 11:31:30 MrDys mjg_: not now that we've been conditioned to hate it 2009-02-24 11:31:30 edsu mjg_: it's valid 2009-02-24 11:31:32 MikeTaylor I really like the honesty of this talk. 2009-02-24 11:31:35 mjg_ abarrera: no, but you're going to lend me your phone because we're such good buddies. 2009-02-24 11:31:37 skoczko they started decoupling so much that they ended up with atoms 2009-02-24 11:31:54 akorphan dr_device++ 2009-02-24 11:32:01 abarrera mjg_: only if you leave a security deposit....10% of your bacon supply 2009-02-24 11:32:06 MikeTaylor It's true that everything is made of atoms, but that fact doesn't mean that all you need is atoms. 2009-02-24 11:32:10 mjg_ australian_restafarian_dude++ 2009-02-24 11:32:25 rsinger atom++ 2009-02-24 11:32:35 BigD mjg_ don't eat 10% of my baby! 2009-02-24 11:32:35 timmcgeary timmcgeary thinks of taking out NLA services slide from presentation... 2009-02-24 11:33:03 rsinger invalidation+- 2009-02-24 11:33:18 fak3r sounds like they could have used awk and grep 2009-02-24 11:33:26 ecorrado awk++ 2009-02-24 11:33:28 rjw building_useful_things++ 2009-02-24 11:33:35 MikeTaylor You can ALWAYS use awk and grep. Especially if you also have sed. 2009-02-24 11:33:38 jtgorman although I'm not there and failing to keep up with the chatter, it seems like relational databases could be useful as far as thesaurus type applications....or at least I haven't any other approach to those that seem more efficient than relational databases 2009-02-24 11:33:44 timmcgeary VuFind++ 2009-02-24 11:33:47 JodiS VuFind shoutout 2009-02-24 11:34:08 MikeTaylor sed -r rules! 2009-02-24 11:34:12 mjg_ fak3r++ 2009-02-24 11:34:15 timmcgeary sed++ 2009-02-24 11:34:19 rsinger my god, what is that hook thing on that swiss army knife? 2009-02-24 11:34:31 jfereira awk sed the shell 2009-02-24 11:34:31 skoczko it's kinda cool - you get all this monolithic libraries that abstract things so much that you have to wrte your services against them (probably in assembly code) 2009-02-24 11:34:34 timmcgeary rsinger: you don't want to know 2009-02-24 11:34:35 akorphan It's a hook! 2009-02-24 11:34:42 robcaSSon rsinger: it's for making mummies 2009-02-24 11:34:43 MikeTaylor Maybe that is the legedary Thing For Getting Stones Out Of Horse's Hooves 2009-02-24 11:34:44 dhanu skoczko: bottle opener 2009-02-24 11:34:46 MikeTaylor Z39.50++ 2009-02-24 11:34:47 jrochkind100 crochet hook? swiss soldiers do a lot of crocheting. 2009-02-24 11:34:47 erikhatcher JodiS: do we call lucene/solr shoutouts too? :) 2009-02-24 11:34:51 abarrera rsinger: i think i saw that in hostel 2009-02-24 11:34:59 rosy1280 zed++ 2009-02-24 11:35:01 lbjay rsinger: to devein the shript 2009-02-24 11:35:06 JodiS erikhatcher: only if we want to flood the channel! :) 2009-02-24 11:35:10 JodiS lucene++ 2009-02-24 11:35:10 JodiS solr++ 2009-02-24 11:35:11 mjg_ A dental implement? A gentleman does not allow tartar to gather on the teeth in the wild. 2009-02-24 11:35:11 lbjay s/shript/shrimp/ 2009-02-24 11:35:12 paulalbert hook used for trephinations in the wild 2009-02-24 11:35:20 erikhatcher @karma solr 2009-02-24 11:35:21 zoia erikhatcher: Karma for "solr" has been increased 63 times and decreased 3 times for a total karma of 60. 2009-02-24 11:35:26 JodiS @ana A gentleman does not allow tartar to gather on the teeth in the wild. 2009-02-24 11:35:26 mjg_ lbjay++ 2009-02-24 11:35:27 zoia JodiS: Elegant as tolerant old woman 2009-02-24 11:35:31 lbjay @aussie that's not a pocket knife! 2009-02-24 11:35:32 zoia lbjay: SHRIMP ON THE BARBIE, MATES! 2009-02-24 11:35:35 JodiS zoia++ 2009-02-24 11:35:44 erikhatcher MikeTaylor: you responsible for those decrements? ;) 2009-02-24 11:35:47 robcaSSon lbjay++ 2009-02-24 11:35:51 BigD you call THAT a NOIF? 2009-02-24 11:35:58 MikeTaylor Erik, er, what> 2009-02-24 11:35:59 erikhatcher lbjay++ 2009-02-24 11:36:01 MikeTaylor ? 2009-02-24 11:36:01 mjg_ mjg_ snorts 2009-02-24 11:36:10 akorphan I see you've played knifey spooney before! 2009-02-24 11:36:19 erikhatcher MikeTaylor: just kidding: Karma for "solr" has been increased 63 times and decreased 3 times for a total karma of 60. 2009-02-24 11:36:29 kat3 flash_widgets++ 2009-02-24 11:36:45 lbjay @praise Australia 2009-02-24 11:36:46 Kerwick no flashing widgets please 2009-02-24 11:36:47 zoia Australia: you're the bee's knees 2009-02-24 11:37:15 erikhatcher g'day mate... you right? 2009-02-24 11:37:15 MikeTaylor OIC. No, I have no problem with solr ... just wish everyone realised how much more awesome Zebra is :-) 2009-02-24 11:37:19 anarchivist wickets++ 2009-02-24 11:37:31 MikeTaylor How do you find out the karma of a thing? 2009-02-24 11:37:39 skoczko z3bra will be awsome 2009-02-24 11:37:39 JodiS @karma 2009-02-24 11:37:40 zoia JodiS: has neutral karma. 2009-02-24 11:37:46 anarchivist @karma MikeTaylor 2009-02-24 11:37:47 zoia anarchivist: Karma for "MikeTaylor" has been increased 4 times and decreased 0 times for a total karma of 4. 2009-02-24 11:37:59 mjg_ @most decreased 2009-02-24 11:38:01 skoczko if it ever gets completed that is :) 2009-02-24 11:38:01 zoia zoia mjg_: "iii": 171, "zoia": 151, "dbs": 126, "robcaSSon": 125, "edsu": 118, "mjgiarlo": 109, "sirsidynix": 82, "rsinger": 75, "lbjay": 69, "-": 56, "jrochkind": 48, "royt": 43, "voyager": 39, "jtgorman": 39, "ie": 34, "ksclarke": 34, "mbklein": 30, "PHP": 26, "rob_desk": 25, "firefox": 25, "<-": 25, "JodiS": 25, "gsf": 23, "anarchivist": 23, and "it": 21 2009-02-24 11:38:03 MikeTaylor @karma solr 2009-02-24 11:38:03 zoia MikeTaylor: Karma for "solr" has been increased 63 times and decreased 3 times for a total karma of 60. 2009-02-24 11:38:04 ecorrado MikeTaylor: you need to not /ignore zoia 2009-02-24 11:38:15 mjg_ when flash is yesterday's technology, today is awesome. 2009-02-24 11:38:20 JodiS ecorrado: what's the opposite of /ignore ? 2009-02-24 11:38:22 MikeTaylor @ecorrado, why? 2009-02-24 11:38:23 zoia MikeTaylor: what's that got to do with the price of flan in crapistan? 2009-02-24 11:38:30 MikeTaylor It's /unignore 2009-02-24 11:38:32 paulalbert karma++ 2009-02-24 11:38:35 cbeer mjg_++ 2009-02-24 11:38:38 JodiS MikeTaylor: zoia returns karma. If you can't 'hear', that's why 2009-02-24 11:38:39 abarrera robcaSSon: yeah use in moderation 2009-02-24 11:38:41 ecorrado zoia reports karma 2009-02-24 11:38:43 zoia ecorrado: http://poopoopanda.files.wordpress.com/2008/04/poster63512997.jpg 2009-02-24 11:38:44 erikhatcher @karma karma 2009-02-24 11:38:46 zoia erikhatcher: Highest karma: "edsu" (1062), "mjgiarlo" (1050), and "dbs" (855). Lowest karma: "iii" (-163), "sirsidynix" (-72), and "-" (-54). You (erikhatcher) are ranked 19 out of 8188. 2009-02-24 11:38:46 akorphan @karma karma 2009-02-24 11:38:47 zoia akorphan: Highest karma: "edsu" (1062), "mjgiarlo" (1050), and "dbs" (855). Lowest karma: "iii" (-163), "sirsidynix" (-72), and "-" (-54). You (akorphan) are ranked 129 out of 8188. 2009-02-24 11:38:48 harmless MikeTaylor: solr uses lucene underneath, but could use zebra if things were more modular... 2009-02-24 11:38:50 robcaSSon robcaSSon calls his sponsor 2009-02-24 11:38:53 akorphan you owe me a coke. 2009-02-24 11:38:57 robcaSSon abarrera++ 2009-02-24 11:38:58 JodiS modularity++ 2009-02-24 11:39:08 MikeTaylor @karma solr 2009-02-24 11:39:09 zoia MikeTaylor: Karma for "solr" has been increased 63 times and decreased 3 times for a total karma of 60. 2009-02-24 11:39:18 abarrera robcaSSon: isn't mjgiarlo your sponsor? thats why you have so many problems 2009-02-24 11:39:22 erikhatcher harmless: it's intimately tied to lucene.... so it's a non-starter to separate solr from lucene 2009-02-24 11:39:26 MikeTaylor Oh, I see. That's neat. OK, I accept the existence of zoia. 2009-02-24 11:39:37 harmless erikhatcher: even the api? 2009-02-24 11:39:45 erikhatcher besides, Zebra could just "emulate" Solr with the same API 2009-02-24 11:39:55 BigD MikeTaylor: zoia is noisy, and over used, but slightly useful 2009-02-24 11:40:02 erikhatcher same wt=json, etc, and update XML... so it'd be trivial to look like Solr request/response-wise 2009-02-24 11:40:03 mjg_ My notion of sponsorship: if you fall off the wagon, hook me up, too. 2009-02-24 11:40:07 robcaSSon @insult BigD 2009-02-24 11:40:07 zoia BigD: You are nothing but a horn-beat tongueful of porous fish. 2009-02-24 11:40:12 akorphan I want someone to make a little SVG of me. 2009-02-24 11:40:14 rjw Not_developing_past_V1++ 2009-02-24 11:40:24 skoczko zebra++ 2009-02-24 11:40:27 zoia MikeTaylor: I accept you too 2009-02-24 11:40:35 MikeTaylor rjw, we find it better just to start at v2. It saves time. 2009-02-24 11:40:50 ecorrado @quote add zoia is noisy, and over used, but slightly useful 2009-02-24 11:40:51 zoia ecorrado: The operation succeeded. Quote #1724 added. 2009-02-24 11:40:52 BigD is that one of The Incredibles on the screen? 2009-02-24 11:41:06 rjw MikeTaylor: that explains much ;-) 2009-02-24 11:41:14 JodiS where is the copyright tool? 2009-02-24 11:41:22 ecorrado laws-- 2009-02-24 11:41:27 JodiS laws+- 2009-02-24 11:41:31 BigD anarchy++ 2009-02-24 11:41:42 BillDueber chaotic_good++ 2009-02-24 11:41:42 decasm rest services should be versioned on their representations, and then have the service switch based on Accept headers 2009-02-24 11:41:42 anarchivist anarchivist fought the naragansett but the naragansett won 2009-02-24 11:41:43 rjw JodiS: in the copyright tool box 2009-02-24 11:41:47 akorphan svg_caricatures++ 2009-02-24 11:41:53 JodiS at nla.gov.au? 2009-02-24 11:42:00 LibraryThingT How do you get more karma results, like @karma -1000 or something? 2009-02-24 11:42:02 BigD lunch? 2009-02-24 11:42:06 dansuchy the o'reilly REST book has some kind of spooky lemur cover 2009-02-24 11:42:07 BigD foods? 2009-02-24 11:42:08 robcaSSon dead_moon++ 2009-02-24 11:42:10 harmless erikhatcher: yah, it may be that we can do modularity by just standardising on the solr api and wrap other pieces to smell the same as solr pieces. 2009-02-24 11:42:14 BigD blood sugar dropping 2009-02-24 11:42:19 anarchivist dead_moon++ 2009-02-24 11:42:21 BigD evil declan emerging... 2009-02-24 11:42:25 akorphan BigD: I have peanuts. 2009-02-24 11:42:28 fak3r robcaSSon: that's no moon! 2009-02-24 11:42:40 decasm you wouldn't like me when i'm hungry 2009-02-24 11:42:41 abarrera BigD: when does the good declan emerge? 2009-02-24 11:42:44 JodiS somebody pass BigD a granola bar 2009-02-24 11:42:47 rosy1280 lunch++ 2009-02-24 11:42:49 rsinger modesty 2009-02-24 11:42:50 kat3 you won't like me when i'm hungry.. 2009-02-24 11:42:54 fak3r skinny_fonts-- 2009-02-24 11:42:57 BigD Donger needs protein! 2009-02-24 11:43:00 akorphan cazzerson++ 2009-02-24 11:43:03 LibraryThingT Awesome transition effect 2009-02-24 11:43:10 fak3r slide_transition++ 2009-02-24 11:43:14 mjg_ "birkin rocks like birkinstocks" 2009-02-24 11:43:21 BigD fancy! 2009-02-24 11:43:33 abarrera mjgiarlo-- # blech 2009-02-24 11:43:34 paulalbert I prefer the fire transition 2009-02-24 11:43:37 dhanu does anyone else think the row of lights at the back is too bright? 2009-02-24 11:43:44 ecorrado ecorrado would show how much his tools are used if anyone used them 2009-02-24 11:43:51 robcaSSon dead_battery-- 2009-02-24 11:43:54 skoczko slide_transition++ 2009-02-24 11:43:59 Baroquem Keynote '09? 2009-02-24 11:44:01 skoczko xml_in_slides-- 2009-02-24 11:44:07 harmless erikhatcher: would that work? or is the system too tightly coupled? 2009-02-24 11:44:15 BigD nice picture 2009-02-24 11:44:22 paulalbert Baroquem: yes 2009-02-24 11:44:27 dlovins_ data_silos-- 2009-02-24 11:44:29 MikeTaylor Yes, but why is the nice picture so small? 2009-02-24 11:44:37 MikeTaylor People, USE THE SPACE when you build your slides. 2009-02-24 11:44:43 skoczko it's a smalll data silloo 2009-02-24 11:44:45 rsinger i don't like transitions because it takes the attention away from ME ME ME 2009-02-24 11:44:47 skoczko only few gigs 2009-02-24 11:44:57 BigD MikeTaylor: negative space is important 2009-02-24 11:45:05 BigD and it's plenty big up front ;) 2009-02-24 11:45:06 fak3r he needs to look up 2009-02-24 11:45:08 erikhatcher vw++ 2009-02-24 11:45:17 edsu what about the clock :)a 2009-02-24 11:45:19 ecorrado kilometer-- 2009-02-24 11:45:28 BigD fak3r: if he looks at you, you turn to stone 2009-02-24 11:45:29 erikhatcher MikeTaylor: use the space? more words? 2009-02-24 11:45:30 MikeTaylor Negative space CAN be important, but ultimately only as way of drawing attention to where it belongs. That is not what we are seeing here. 2009-02-24 11:45:30 ecorrado metric_system-- 2009-02-24 11:45:34 lbjay finally, a speaker where the lack of eye contact is mutual 2009-02-24 11:45:34 fak3r metric_system_in_general-- 2009-02-24 11:45:43 fak3r lbjay++ 2009-02-24 11:45:44 rsinger metric_system++ 2009-02-24 11:45:47 timmcgeary lbjay++ 2009-02-24 11:45:51 mjg_ lbjay++ 2009-02-24 11:45:52 dchud i've wanted to build one of these for five years 2009-02-24 11:45:56 akorphan powers_of_10++ 2009-02-24 11:45:57 escowles metric_system++ 2009-02-24 11:45:57 BigD lbjay++ 2009-02-24 11:45:59 edsu lbjay++ 2009-02-24 11:46:00 fak3r us_adoption_of_metric_system-- 2009-02-24 11:46:03 rsinger trapper_keeper_insides++ # while we don't use metric 2009-02-24 11:46:08 BillDueber BillDueber is putting in an internal grant to build something like this. 2009-02-24 11:46:16 MikeTaylor r 2009-02-24 11:46:21 erikhatcher harmless: whether you can tease solr's request/response code out and use it outside lucene or any other ugliness (like the config), no, i wouldn't do that 2009-02-24 11:46:24 fak3r is he hacking right now? 2009-02-24 11:46:26 MikeTaylor (Sorry, typed into the wrong window.) 2009-02-24 11:46:35 paulalbert I think I saw a porn site in the bookmarks 2009-02-24 11:46:37 ejk Don't hit the "Open All in Tabs" option 2009-02-24 11:46:41 erikhatcher just take solr xml and figure out how to ingest it with your own server-side implementation, same on response writing formats 2009-02-24 11:46:44 BigD BigD makes note to self to clean up bookmarks BEFORE presenting... 2009-02-24 11:46:44 skoczko off topic, how many people use linux on their laptops? 2009-02-24 11:46:54 LibraryThingT Are people around on Thursday? If there was a walking tour of Lovecraft's providence or a visit to the Providence Athenæum (http://www.providenceathenaeum.org/) 2009-02-24 11:46:57 BillDueber skoczko: 8 2009-02-24 11:47:01 fak3r skoczko: over here - Debian 5.0 (lenny) 2009-02-24 11:47:04 mjg_ skoczko: me me me 2009-02-24 11:47:08 bess LibraryThingTim: yes! 2009-02-24 11:47:13 skoczko ubuntu here 2009-02-24 11:47:19 anarchivist bess: i might be up for that too 2009-02-24 11:47:22 jrochkind100 LibraryThingTim: Maybe. PS: I'm going up to portland for the weekend, anything fun I should do? 2009-02-24 11:47:23 MikeTaylor Look at the size of that grapH! 2009-02-24 11:47:26 gsf_ skoczko: debian 2009-02-24 11:47:27 bess LibraryThingTim: Have you seen Adam Soroka's HP Lovecraft GIS thing yet? So cool. 2009-02-24 11:47:30 lbjay @dow eng 2009-02-24 11:47:32 mjg_ intrepid ibex on my laptop 2009-02-24 11:47:34 akorphan negative_space-- 2009-02-24 11:47:35 zoia lbjay: An error has occurred and has been logged. Please contact this bot's administrator for more information. 2009-02-24 11:47:35 jstroop skoczko: ubuntu 2009-02-24 11:47:35 fak3r skoczko: still thinking of pulling the trig on a dell mini 9 w/ubunut 2009-02-24 11:47:38 dansuchy paulabert: i think i saw mention of furries too 2009-02-24 11:47:48 kat3 tufte++ 2009-02-24 11:47:48 atz ok, trying again in safari.... still duplicate posts? 2009-02-24 11:47:50 fak3r akorphan: no doubt, how about div align=center? 2009-02-24 11:47:55 zoia New news from planetcode4lib: del.icio.us: Panlibus " Blog Archive " A look through the Grid at Code4lib || del.icio.us: How to Present While People are Twittering | Pistachio || Matienzo, Mark: Go FOAF Yourself 2009-02-24 11:47:57 akorphan atz: better 2009-02-24 11:47:58 rsinger atz: no 2009-02-24 11:47:58 fak3r atz: no 2009-02-24 11:48:02 skoczko cool looks like ubuntu/debian has conquered the desktop :) 2009-02-24 11:48:03 erikhatcher harmless: there is a good reason it is tied to lucene in a sense.... consider writing out search results response.... pipelining large stored fields uses too much memory, so solr pulls them and streams them at the last moment, pretty much straight from lucene 2009-02-24 11:48:04 anarchivist does anyone know if we're doing lunch in here? 2009-02-24 11:48:04 paulalbert dansuchy: furverts are everywhere 2009-02-24 11:48:14 atz cool. 2009-02-24 11:48:15 erikhatcher tufte-- 2009-02-24 11:48:17 fak3r I wouldn't say I've been missing books... 2009-02-24 11:48:18 LibraryThingT "I'm going up to portland for the weekend, anything fun I should do?" Have lunch with me? 2009-02-24 11:48:23 rsinger herverts 2009-02-24 11:48:26 lbjay anarchivist: i would asume 2009-02-24 11:48:28 andyashton this IRC channel is like a really nerdy quilting bee 2009-02-24 11:48:31 LibraryThingT bess: no. Will check out. 2009-02-24 11:48:40 akorphan mini is right. 2009-02-24 11:48:41 fak3r mini_chart-- 2009-02-24 11:48:42 anarchivist herverts++ # open repositoris 2009-02-24 11:48:46 jrochkind100 LibraryThingTim: Sure, maybe, I'm visiting a friend, but let's make sure we have each other's phone#s. 2009-02-24 11:48:48 LibraryThingT sparklines++ 2009-02-24 11:48:51 BillDueber Incredibly useful data, displayed in such a way that no one will ever understand them 2009-02-24 11:48:55 LibraryThingT 207 272-0553 2009-02-24 11:49:02 lbjay @quote add this IRC channel is like a really nerdy quilting bee 2009-02-24 11:49:03 MikeTaylor I once saw a quilting bee on a David Attenborough documentary. 2009-02-24 11:49:03 zoia lbjay: The operation succeeded. Quote #1725 added. 2009-02-24 11:49:05 bess LibraryThingTim: he's going to be showing it in his GIS talk 2009-02-24 11:49:07 mjg_ andyashton++ 2009-02-24 11:49:15 LibraryThingT Awesome. 2009-02-24 11:49:19 jrochkind100 LibraryThingTim: I might call you on sat or sun then? thanks. 2009-02-24 11:49:28 MikeTaylor Still keen on negative space now you've seen the current slide? 2009-02-24 11:49:35 cbarr has anyone used netvibe open source? http://netvibes.org/ 2009-02-24 11:49:41 wtd Lovecraft GIS? Cool, 2009-02-24 11:49:42 fak3r scroll_bars-- 2009-02-24 11:49:51 BigD i'm so keen i'm shining 2009-02-24 11:50:01 timmcgeary who brought their room alarm clock? 2009-02-24 11:50:02 akorphan I liked cup+fork better. 2009-02-24 11:50:04 fak3r annoying_ringtones++ 2009-02-24 11:50:09 zoia ALL RISE 2009-02-24 11:50:11 LibraryThingT Yeah. Massive LibraryThing employee meetup that weekend, so I'm not positive we'll be available. Alas, nobody you know—the library programmers come later. 2009-02-24 11:50:34 fak3r all dashboards need a stoplight somewhere 2009-02-24 11:50:46 akorphan no_context_labels-- 2009-02-24 11:50:48 lbjay JodiS: was that your chumby? 2009-02-24 11:50:58 LibraryThingT Does anyone use any of the chart-making tools? Google has one, I think. 2009-02-24 11:51:08 fak3r chumby +or- discuss 2009-02-24 11:51:12 JodiS lbjay: no, my chumby's upstairs 2009-02-24 11:51:12 jrochkind100 LibraryThingTim: how many employees have you guys got these days? 2009-02-24 11:51:14 LibraryThingT I want to program a Librarything-Chumby mashup. 2009-02-24 11:51:16 MrDys LibraryThingTim: define chart-making tools 2009-02-24 11:51:17 LibraryThingT Ten. 2009-02-24 11:51:23 jrochkind100 nice 2009-02-24 11:51:24 rsinger @ana my chumby's upstairs 2009-02-24 11:51:25 zoia rsinger: Ha! Yummy subscripts 2009-02-24 11:51:26 LibraryThingT Makes graphs, pie-charts etc. Easy. 2009-02-24 11:51:29 harmless erikhatcher: i wonder if you could still have a performant index if you abstract it enough to some standard where you could could mix and match indices, faceting, snippet generation, etc. 2009-02-24 11:51:32 rosy1280 excel-- 2009-02-24 11:51:39 erikhatcher harmless: no 2009-02-24 11:51:44 MrDys good luck, birkin 2009-02-24 11:51:45 dchud love this stuff. 2009-02-24 11:51:48 akorphan bad negative space widgets > e-mailed excel spreadsheets 2009-02-24 11:51:49 LibraryThingT God, I really hate Django. 2009-02-24 11:51:50 erikhatcher lucene is the secret sauce 2009-02-24 11:51:52 JodiS lbjay: would love to hand it around if anybody wants to play. plugging into ethernet is probably the easiest way to get it on the network here. also needs power plugged in. 2009-02-24 11:51:52 fak3r django_pronounciation-- 2009-02-24 11:52:05 cbeer LibraryThingTim: flot, here < http://code.google.com/p/flot/ > 2009-02-24 11:52:08 dchud django admin ui++ 2009-02-24 11:52:11 jfereira Djatoka_pronunciation-- 2009-02-24 11:52:12 akorphan fak3r: alternative to "Jango"? 2009-02-24 11:52:13 MikeTaylor Here is a full-sized representation of the graph on the current slide, for those of you not at the conference: "\/\" 2009-02-24 11:52:13 jrochkind100 that trend arrow really ought to be calculated from best-fit slope of the last N data points, not just the last 2. 2009-02-24 11:52:18 fak3r jfereira++ 2009-02-24 11:52:33 JodiS anarchivist: would like to play musical chairs at some point, meet more people. guess that's for tomorrow? 2009-02-24 11:52:43 LibraryThingT Flot is nice. Thanks. 2009-02-24 11:52:54 fak3r anarchivist: good idea 2009-02-24 11:52:55 abarrera mjgiarlo: flot you 2009-02-24 11:52:57 erikhatcher JodiS: good suggestion - musical chairs after lunch would be a good plan 2009-02-24 11:53:07 LibraryThingT I'm on my Verizon card and it's slow. Is wifi doing well? 2009-02-24 11:53:27 dlovins_ LibraryThingTim: wifi is very very slow 2009-02-24 11:53:29 jrochkind100 eh, it's doing barely okay, the wifi. 2009-02-24 11:53:31 jchen like the musical chair idea 2009-02-24 11:53:32 BigD i'm keeping my chair 2009-02-24 11:53:34 mjg_ mjg_ weeps. 2009-02-24 11:53:40 JodiS erikhatcher: well, somebody suggest it then :) 2009-02-24 11:53:47 dchud jrochkind100: i think you're overthinking what he's trying to do. he keeps saying "just enough info", i think that's right 2009-02-24 11:53:49 jrochkind100 So you have to manually paste in your data? Hmm. 2009-02-24 11:53:50 BigD "from my cold, dead..." heinie 2009-02-24 11:53:58 fak3r chinese fire drill during a talk? 2009-02-24 11:54:01 jbrinley BigD: keep the chair, just go to another table with it 2009-02-24 11:54:06 anarchivist BigD-- # gross 2009-02-24 11:54:11 akorphan wait, does it update those data points by hand or not? 2009-02-24 11:54:12 jrochkind100 dchud: best-fit slope over hte last 6 data points would be no more info on the dashboard -- it would still just be an arrow. But it would be a less statistically misleading one. 2009-02-24 11:54:14 akorphan err. 2009-02-24 11:54:15 JodiS my fave from that "back-channel presentation" post: "ombudsman" from back-channel, e.g. somebody to shout at you during your talk, when needed 2009-02-24 11:54:19 JodiS can't see :( 2009-02-24 11:54:22 akorphan s/by hand/automatically 2009-02-24 11:54:25 dchud no, it wouldn't be by hand. he's just showing you what the data *is* 2009-02-24 11:54:41 mjg_ notes for future presenters: FONT UP. 2009-02-24 11:54:44 akorphan dchud: whew. 2009-02-24 11:54:44 jrochkind100 I think it IS by hand, yeah? I'm pretty sure. 2009-02-24 11:54:50 JodiS wifi varies. ok here. we're not hearing more from ejynema 'cause of wifi, for instance 2009-02-24 11:54:51 abarrera BigD: your chair wants you to get off it 2009-02-24 11:54:56 JodiS mjg_: indeed! 2009-02-24 11:55:01 dchud jrochkind100: you really want best fit over 6 points instead of the six points? if anything, both is better 2009-02-24 11:55:04 cbeer LibraryThingTim: Also, rrd for metrics 2009-02-24 11:55:04 JodiS royt: you got that, re: getting the font size up? 2009-02-24 11:55:09 ecorrado jrochkind100: he said all except one are automatic 2009-02-24 11:55:09 fak3r presentation directly to laptop 2009-02-24 11:55:13 JodiS royt: for whatever pull you have? 2009-02-24 11:55:13 andyashton it can be by hand, or a feed from databases 2009-02-24 11:55:16 jrochkind100 huh, 6 instead of "six"? 2009-02-24 11:55:22 akorphan jrochkind100: There was some note about "Data may be filled in programattically" 2009-02-24 11:55:32 fak3r graphBackground-- 2009-02-24 11:55:40 BigD royt's checked out 2009-02-24 11:55:42 dchud imho this is great work. every library administrator i've ever known would *love* having this. 2009-02-24 11:55:52 MikeTaylor This is amazing -- the use of space in the slides is getting worse! 2009-02-24 11:55:52 MikeTaylor Oh, that's better. 2009-02-24 11:55:52 jrochkind100 I don't think just giving me the last TWO data points is an accurate 'trend'. The person creating the widget should decide how many data points to calculate the trend over, depending on the nature of the data. 2009-02-24 11:55:55 JodiS jrochkind100: good to have multiple ways to input data 2009-02-24 11:55:55 khatar graphForeground-- 2009-02-24 11:55:57 fak3r wait, couldn't they have used google analytics here? 2009-02-24 11:56:01 timmcgeary timmcgeary is fonting up 2009-02-24 11:56:03 fak3r bookmobile++ 2009-02-24 11:56:08 mjg_ timmcgeary++ 2009-02-24 11:56:13 JodiS anarchivist: you gonna give that google analytics lightning talk? 2009-02-24 11:56:14 akorphan I think the chart includes more data than just the 2 points reported. 2009-02-24 11:56:15 harmless erikhatcher: not necessarily jury-rigging existing tech, but if starting from scratch, couldn't you define some minimum set of what hooks need to exist between the different layers and what can be blackbox? 2009-02-24 11:56:16 JodiS fonting_up++ 2009-02-24 11:56:21 ecorrado royt is reading over ecorrado's shoulder 2009-02-24 11:56:26 mjg_ birkin just fonted down 2009-02-24 11:56:27 jrochkind100 akorphan: I'm talking about the up/down 'trend' arrow. 2009-02-24 11:56:31 dchud jrochkind100: i mean that you can show both the actual values and a trend curve. which would be better than just showing one or the other. 2009-02-24 11:56:31 JodiS thanks ecorrado :) 2009-02-24 11:56:35 paulalbert WYSIWYG Google Chart creator I use: http://www.tagarga.com/files/gcui/ 2009-02-24 11:56:36 timmcgeary @karma timmcgeary 2009-02-24 11:56:37 zoia timmcgeary: Karma for "timmcgeary" has been increased 4 times and decreased 0 times for a total karma of 4. 2009-02-24 11:56:45 harmless erikhatcher: or does this kind of system generically necessitate a high degree of coupling? 2009-02-24 11:56:51 erikhatcher harmless: a generic one size fits all solution will be the least common denominator 2009-02-24 11:56:55 fak3r wget rss -> sed/awk -> ??? -> profit! 2009-02-24 11:56:58 gsf_ fonting_down++ like a slap in the face 2009-02-24 11:57:06 mjg_ birkin++ 2009-02-24 11:57:06 dchud fak3r: steal underpants. 2009-02-24 11:57:09 anarchivist gsf_++ 2009-02-24 11:57:16 JodiS erikhatcher: lcd as in, less scalable? 2009-02-24 11:57:17 fak3r dchud: yes, that's it 2009-02-24 11:57:20 anarchivist rss-- 2009-02-24 11:57:37 erikhatcher harmless: i just know how solr is wired and how it works with lucene and docsets, etc.... uncoupling lucene wouldn't be trivial. and surely less scalable (since almost everything is less scalable than lucene) 2009-02-24 11:57:42 jrochkind100 dchud: Are we both talking about hte same thing? The up/down arrow? I like the up/down arrow, I just don't like the way it's calculated, is all I'm saying. 2009-02-24 11:57:51 edsu did he mention that the data is available from thesame url? 2009-02-24 11:58:00 gsf_ this is not the dashboard view of the dashboard initiative 2009-02-24 11:58:02 gsf_ not that i want that 2009-02-24 11:58:06 dchud jrochkind100: no, we weren't. let's keep arguing anyway, though. we're on the internet! 2009-02-24 11:58:07 akorphan Widget URL should include a flag that renders widget view or full view. 2009-02-24 11:58:12 gsf_ but just sayin 2009-02-24 11:58:14 akorphan it'd be cleaner 2009-02-24 11:58:17 fak3r looked up 2009-02-24 11:58:40 fak3r netsplit-- 2009-02-24 11:58:46 dchud just in time for a break... 2009-02-24 11:59:00 jrochkind100 we might as well have freenode problems to match our local network problems. 2009-02-24 11:59:08 fak3r or if they're magnolia, don't restore things from the db 2009-02-24 11:59:12 mjg_ um, code4lib conf w/o IRC? wtf are we going to do? 2009-02-24 11:59:23 anarchivist mjg_: drink? 2009-02-24 11:59:38 mjg_ quick, someone register the channel over at EFnet. 2009-02-24 11:59:40 jrochkind100 anarchivist: i forgot my flask. 2009-02-24 11:59:46 fak3r mjg_: I have my own ircd on my lappy - but gsf couldn't connect. 2009-02-24 11:59:54 mjg_ fak3r++ 2009-02-24 12:00:19 mjg_ mjg_ wants low-hanging fruit for lunch 2009-02-24 12:00:27 JodiS I still don't see the copyright tool at http://www.nla.gov.au/ 's toolbar. Hope somebody will show it to me later. 2009-02-24 12:00:29 jrochkind100 yeah, this actually is fairly neat. 2009-02-24 12:00:36 anarchivist mjg_: BigD has some of that 2009-02-24 12:00:38 jrochkind100 But if we were to use it first we'd have to actually HAVE usage data. 2009-02-24 12:00:39 mjg_ birkin++ # neat that someone's working on this 2009-02-24 12:00:39 fak3r gsf_: 10.7.55.119 8080 ? 2009-02-24 12:00:40 JodiS freenode problems? please no 2009-02-24 12:00:44 mjg_ anarchivist+- 2009-02-24 12:00:57 cschx wants low-hanging hamburgers 2009-02-24 12:00:57 jrochkind100 fak3r: what's that? 2009-02-24 12:00:57 MrDys MrDys is pretty jaded on this topic 2009-02-24 12:00:59 abarrera anarchivist+- # ewww 2009-02-24 12:01:03 timmcgeary need library data-farm 2009-02-24 12:01:04 JodiS birkin's SO is going to be *so* happy if that university-level stuff happens 2009-02-24 12:01:11 taco i want a burrito 2009-02-24 12:01:14 JodiS MrDys: bad experiences with stats? 2009-02-24 12:01:16 mjg_ taco++ 2009-02-24 12:01:19 erikhatcher mjg_: wants "french" fries for lunch 2009-02-24 12:01:25 jrochkind100 taco: you 2009-02-24 12:01:26 JodiS http://library.brown.edu/dashboard 2009-02-24 12:01:30 jrochkind100 taco: you're in providence? 2009-02-24 12:01:34 LibraryThingT yay 2009-02-24 12:01:34 gsf_ fak3r: i'll try again 2009-02-24 12:01:39 jrochkind100 jrochkind100 is assuming edsu's not pretneidng ot be taco again. 2009-02-24 12:01:41 timmcgeary dashboard++ 2009-02-24 12:01:43 bess yay for walking the open source walk! 2009-02-24 12:01:44 cbeer fak3r: I'm still getting 400 Bad Request from the proxy 2009-02-24 12:01:52 andyashton birkin ++ 2009-02-24 12:01:54 JodiS QR code awesome! 2009-02-24 12:01:55 MrDys JodiS: implementation/adoption is a big issue that isn't being addressed 2009-02-24 12:01:56 LibraryThingT Taco: Why do I need to go to NL, if you keep coming here? 2009-02-24 12:01:58 jrochkind100 cbeer: Yeah, me too, I get that. 2009-02-24 12:01:58 timmcgeary free_beer++ 2009-02-24 12:02:05 JodiS MrDys: interesting 2009-02-24 12:02:12 fak3r cbeer: dunno, sry. 2009-02-24 12:02:14 jrochkind100 cbeer: I'm (trying) using colloquoy on osx. 2009-02-24 12:02:15 dlovins_ Growing low-hanging fruit at the library data farm? 2009-02-24 12:02:20 JodiS royt++ 2009-02-24 12:02:21 JodiS royt++ 2009-02-24 12:02:24 akorphan font_engorge++ 2009-02-24 12:02:24 abarrera lunch++ 2009-02-24 12:02:30 JodiS royt++ 2009-02-24 12:02:33 JodiS royt++ 2009-02-24 12:02:34 ecorrado back_of_room: buy a telescope 2009-02-24 12:02:41 cbeer jrochkind100: i tried through telnet itself 2009-02-24 12:02:42 taco royt++ 2009-02-24 12:02:45 timmcgeary ecorrado++ 2009-02-24 12:02:46 MrDys JodiS: something like that would work better in some instutions rather than others depending on the org structure and workflow for data reporting... 2009-02-24 12:02:50 jrochkind100 cbeer: WEIRD. I don't get it. 2009-02-24 12:02:54 MikeTaylor Any solution thyat begins "buy a telescope" is not a solution. 2009-02-24 12:02:54 timmcgeary lunch++ 2009-02-24 12:02:55 JodiS MrDys: right 2009-02-24 12:02:55 escowles half-hearted_applause-- 2009-02-24 12:03:03 JodiS MikeTaylor++ 2009-02-24 12:03:06 JodiS escowles: agreed 2009-02-24 12:03:22 andyashton I prefer "smattering" to "half-hearted" 2009-02-24 12:03:31 cbeer jrochkind100: thank the ibaud providers for their proxy system that makes us "Safer" 2009-02-24 12:03:34 jrochkind100 cbeer: I mean, we can connect to freenode, but then freenode decides we've made a bad request. huh? 2009-02-24 12:03:59 cbeer jrochkind100: no, we get that reply from the local proxy 2009-02-24 12:04:16 cbeer jrochkind100: most likely, they block those ports 2009-02-24 12:14:34 skoczko where's everybody? 2009-02-24 12:14:37 skoczko off to lunch? 2009-02-24 12:14:42 smkiewel getting food 2009-02-24 12:14:48 ecorrado food++ 2009-02-24 12:15:30 smkiewel benefits of being back: quick access to food - makes up for not being able to read slides 2009-02-24 12:15:42 smkiewel in back* 2009-02-24 12:19:57 zoia New news from planetcode4lib: Engard, Nicole: NFAIS 2009: The Rise of Social Media and Multi-language Communication || del.icio.us: dashboard_beta :: dashboard information 2009-02-24 12:24:43 papo hum 2009-02-24 12:24:53 papo anyone familiar with ExLibris' Verde in here? What's that? 2009-02-24 12:28:48 ejk Wifi test, google.com ping statistics : min/avg/max/stddev = 70.567/166.306/206.899/36.973 ms 2009-02-24 12:44:33 akorphan full++ 2009-02-24 12:44:51 smkiewel now sleepy++ 2009-02-24 12:45:00 akorphan nap++ 2009-02-24 12:45:20 jtgorman papo: only vague details. It's a eletronic resource/journal management thing 2009-02-24 12:45:46 papo jtgorman: is it cool? 2009-02-24 12:45:48 jtgorman papo: ie supposed to make it easy to tell if journal x is provided by one of the vendors/providers 2009-02-24 12:45:58 jtgorman papo: we only got it recently and I haven't touched it at all 2009-02-24 12:47:43 papo hm sounds like the same can be achieved by sticking together a few scripts to query the SFX knowledge base 2009-02-24 12:47:49 papo just with less bugs perhaps 2009-02-24 12:48:55 akorphan FOCUS! 2009-02-24 12:49:02 zoia New news from planetcode4lib: del.icio.us: Freebase Apps || Engard, Nicole: NFAIS 2009: The Rise of Social Media and Multi-language Communication || Engard, Nicole: NFAIS 2009: The Impact of Global Digital Natives || Engard, Nicole: ‡biblios.net Video Tutorials a URL is your contract with the world" (added by edsu at 05:18 PM, June 06, 2007) 2009-02-24 12:54:18 anarchivist BigD: http://www.flickr.com/photos/anarchivist/3305775662/ 2009-02-24 12:54:30 mbklein @quote search metadata 2009-02-24 12:54:44 zoia mbklein: 24 found: #1272: " A little bit of structured metadata...", #1517: ": EAD, the metadata format designed to...", #1537: "< wickr> metadata is cruel...", #1545: " Metadata needs more catsuits", #160: " metadata is my attitude", #191: " metadata is like unto a bird on the...", #20: " death is easy, metadata is hard", #334: " sucky metadata is still sucky (3 more messages) 2009-02-24 12:54:53 mbklein @quote get 1517 2009-02-24 12:54:54 zoia mbklein: Quote #1517: ": EAD, the metadata format designed to punish technologists" (added by royt at 05:28 PM, September 16, 2008) 2009-02-24 12:55:28 anarchivist @karma ead 2009-02-24 12:55:30 zoia anarchivist: Karma for "ead" has been increased 0 times and decreased 3 times for a total karma of -3. 2009-02-24 12:55:34 anarchivist ead-- 2009-02-24 12:55:36 anarchivist @karma eac 2009-02-24 12:55:36 zoia anarchivist: eac has neutral karma. 2009-02-24 12:55:39 anarchivist eac++ 2009-02-24 12:57:01 MrDys there's a posse on the stage 2009-02-24 12:57:38 dansuchy still no bacon. ham, but no bacon. 2009-02-24 12:58:35 lbjay anarchivist: res for 8 at 7pm 2009-02-24 12:58:43 anarchivist lbjay++ 2009-02-24 12:59:46 papo jtgorman: hm from what I understand, the most "worthy" part of Verde is this knowledge base which gets synced regularly. I've read somewhere that verde and sfx knowledge base were merged back in 2007 2009-02-24 13:00:02 papo if that's true, I should have everything needed to but together that stuff on my own 2009-02-24 13:00:15 timmcgeary when we evaluated Verde in 2007, it was NOT merged with SFX 2009-02-24 13:00:28 royt lbjay: is your offer to MC still good? If so, you get Friday 2009-02-24 13:00:34 royt Thursday, I mean 2009-02-24 13:01:39 lbjay royt: cool. awesome :) 2009-02-24 13:01:47 jtgorman papo: yeah, I don't know anything about that 2009-02-24 13:01:47 MrDys I can't believe #c4l09 isn't trending on twitter yet 2009-02-24 13:01:50 MrDys get tweeting, people 2009-02-24 13:01:51 lbjay @decide cool or awesome 2009-02-24 13:01:51 zoia lbjay: go with cool 2009-02-24 13:02:01 jtgorman papo: dealing with Voyager on a regular basis is abuse enough for me 2009-02-24 13:02:13 pmurray MrDys: Twitter > IRC? 2009-02-24 13:02:14 jtgorman papo: we have another poor soul that gets to deal with SFX and Verde 2009-02-24 13:02:19 papo :) 2009-02-24 13:02:31 MrDys pmurray: of course not 2009-02-24 13:02:47 lbjay royt: i'll try not to spill beer on all my good shirts by then 2009-02-24 13:02:49 ecorrado edsu++ 2009-02-24 13:02:51 mbklein to pump...YOU UP 2009-02-24 13:02:52 akorphan strawberry_cake++ 2009-02-24 13:02:53 abarrera hanz++ franz-- 2009-02-24 13:03:08 abarrera my_iphone-- 2009-02-24 13:03:13 mbklein NERRRRRRRDS! 2009-02-24 13:03:17 mib_p6w31h89 put that thing away mike 2009-02-24 13:03:22 ecorrado @sing the dead milkmen : swordfish 2009-02-24 13:03:23 dchud them's my people! 2009-02-24 13:03:27 zoia Some people believe in astrology / Others believe in technology / Some people believe in all those "ologies" / But I believe in swordfish 2009-02-24 13:03:34 ecorrado @more 2009-02-24 13:03:34 zoia ecorrado: Error: You haven't asked me a command; perhaps you want to see someone else's more. To do so, call this command with that person's nick. 2009-02-24 13:03:39 anarchivist swordfish++ 2009-02-24 13:03:45 mbklein dchud: Admitting you have a problem is the first step in recovery 2009-02-24 13:03:47 fak3r run it locally 2009-02-24 13:03:48 dchud trombones++ 2009-02-24 13:03:59 fak3r mbklein: and apparently the first step in a presentation 2009-02-24 13:04:21 lbjay that's the same sound that the Death Roy makes. weird. 2009-02-24 13:04:24 MrDys fak3r: they were going to, but mjgiarlo's laptop is on wireless and it's not communicating with the podium laptop stably 2009-02-24 13:04:37 mib_xxmepy6r supository 2009-02-24 13:04:55 ejk we need Fibre to the Podium 2009-02-24 13:05:02 anarchivist ejk: metamucil? 2009-02-24 13:05:03 fak3r MrDys: damn, yeah that's what we were trying the FW seems to block int <-> int connections - 25 is the only thing open 2009-02-24 13:05:20 fak3r MrDys: I would have brought a router and helped out, would have been fun 2009-02-24 13:05:27 ecorrado suxx0r++ 2009-02-24 13:05:33 BigD could they use a less contrasty font? 2009-02-24 13:05:34 royt lbjay: that's ok, if you have beer stains you'll just fit in 2009-02-24 13:05:38 BigD i can see this way too well 2009-02-24 13:05:41 MrDys too bad atz shipped back the router he brought 2009-02-24 13:05:41 BillDueber fak3r: You keep using that word "fun". I do not think it means what you think it means. 2009-02-24 13:05:43 Kerwick l33t speak-- 2009-02-24 13:05:44 fak3r they forgot the '!1!1!!!one' 2009-02-24 13:05:46 BigD what am i going to whine about? 2009-02-24 13:05:50 mbklein Is it really too much to expect that a facility that earns its bread and butter through conferences have wireless that's at least as good as the local community college? 2009-02-24 13:05:54 anarchivist oai-pmh looks like lolspeak in lowercase 2009-02-24 13:05:56 fak3r BigD: your choice 2009-02-24 13:06:01 mbklein BigD: you'll find something 2009-02-24 13:06:04 abarrera BigD: stop looking at mjgiarlo lovingly 2009-02-24 13:06:08 anarchivist O HAI IM HARVESTIN UR R3PO 2009-02-24 13:06:09 fak3r stealing is bad, m'k? 2009-02-24 13:06:11 kat3 the user rarely looks that happy 2009-02-24 13:06:19 mbklein AAGH! DIAGRAM HEADACHE 2009-02-24 13:06:20 akorphan oai-pmh cat iz watching u code4lib 2009-02-24 13:06:20 BigD abarrera: that's not possible 2009-02-24 13:06:24 fak3r I KAN HAZ YRS DATA? 2009-02-24 13:06:34 dchud dchud hates the lolz 2009-02-24 13:06:38 ecorrado is mjgiarlo tht lolcat of this presentation? 2009-02-24 13:06:46 anarchivist ecorrado: no, dchud is 2009-02-24 13:06:47 mib_xxmepy6r spolier alert... funny pic coming up 2009-02-24 13:06:54 mbklein AAGH! DIAGRAM HEADACHE 2009-02-24 13:06:56 ecorrado anarchivist++ 2009-02-24 13:07:03 akorphan FOCUS! 2009-02-24 13:07:05 fak3r spoiler: the dog dies 2009-02-24 13:07:07 dhanu what was the pic? i missed it 2009-02-24 13:07:13 abarrera ecorrado: no he's the pointless, knowledgless sidekick 2009-02-24 13:07:18 akorphan spoiler: she's a guy! 2009-02-24 13:07:19 mib_xxmepy6r and sanpe kills duberdore 2009-02-24 13:07:24 dchud pretty feed picture 2009-02-24 13:07:26 ecorrado abarrera: that is a giving 2009-02-24 13:07:30 anarchivist abarrera: he's a guy with the SWORD 2009-02-24 13:07:39 emcrens Was that the funny pic? 2009-02-24 13:07:41 kgs @wunder pvd 2009-02-24 13:07:43 BigD mjgiarlo's up there as beefcake 2009-02-24 13:07:43 zoia kgs: The current temperature in Providence, Rhode Island is 33.8°F (12:51 PM EST on February 24, 2009). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 35%. Dew Point: 8.6°F. Windchill: 23.0°F. Pressure: 30.16 in 1021 hPa (Steady). 2009-02-24 13:07:44 dchud it's just too bad a macmini had to be sacrified to make that icon 2009-02-24 13:07:51 mbklein Huh. A syndicated feed in convenient brick form. 2009-02-24 13:07:53 fak3r they still have the pointer on the screen 2009-02-24 13:07:56 ecorrado @votes 2010 2009-02-24 13:07:56 abarrera BigD: more like baconcake 2009-02-24 13:07:57 anarchivist dchud++ 2009-02-24 13:07:57 zoia ecorrado: i get no joy from this http://icanhascheezburger.com/2008/04/20/funny-pictures-finds-no-joy-in-his-job/ 2009-02-24 13:08:06 ecorrado @vote2010 2009-02-24 13:08:08 zoia ecorrado: http://www.stopabductions.com/ 2009-02-24 13:08:09 anarchivist abarrera++ 2009-02-24 13:08:12 anarchivist @hosts2010 2009-02-24 13:08:13 zoia anarchivist: Asheville, NC [202]; Austin, TX [177]; Madison, WI [154]; Columbus, OH [108]; Bloomington, IN [83] 2009-02-24 13:08:13 BigD abarrera: now i just love him mote 2009-02-24 13:08:15 BigD more 2009-02-24 13:08:15 anarchivist @hosts2011 2009-02-24 13:08:16 zoia anarchivist: Hooker, Oklahoma [95]; Panic, Pennsylvania [92]; Yeehaw Junction, Florida [78]; Ben Hur, Texas [58]; Hot Coffee, Mississippi [42]; Magazine, Arkansas [3] 2009-02-24 13:08:20 ecorrado anarchivist++ 2009-02-24 13:08:33 ejlynema oh, yes. c4lj is *also* working on an article about oai-ore. :) see next issue in 1 month. 2009-02-24 13:08:39 fak3r FB-- 2009-02-24 13:08:51 jtgorman fak3r: what did they do now? 2009-02-24 13:09:05 mbklein Pee Dee Eff? 2009-02-24 13:09:26 fak3r jtgorman: just a FB mention 2009-02-24 13:09:31 fak3r nice icon 2009-02-24 13:09:31 akorphan akorphan isn't sure where the buy-in from PDF came from. 2009-02-24 13:09:40 mbklein ejlynema++ # keepin' them honest. 2009-02-24 13:09:40 taco you canot haz pee on da elf 2009-02-24 13:09:48 akorphan err, buy in -for- pdf 2009-02-24 13:10:05 fak3r it's the pee to the dee to the eff, ya'll 2009-02-24 13:10:15 zoia Ŧåĸŏ 2009-02-24 13:10:40 lbjay mjgiarlo++ 2009-02-24 13:10:43 mbklein akorphan: Adobe rammed it down the throat of their corporate and gov't users and everyone else just fell in line. 2009-02-24 13:10:43 jtgorman jtgorman decides he's just going to buy some headphone to keep at work 2009-02-24 13:10:46 bess mjgiarlo++ 2009-02-24 13:10:46 royt i need one volunteer to help dchud herd lightning talkers...any takers? 2009-02-24 13:10:52 fak3r iphones are so 2008 - pass it on 2009-02-24 13:10:54 kat3 that just happened 2009-02-24 13:10:59 ejk asciiart++ 2009-02-24 13:11:01 gsf mjgiarlo: best when he doesn't speak 2009-02-24 13:11:04 kat3 and was awesome 2009-02-24 13:11:08 timmcgeary fak34-- 2009-02-24 13:11:12 bess royt: what does that person need to do? I could help. 2009-02-24 13:11:15 anarchivist can someone make sure i have a visible timer? 2009-02-24 13:11:17 royt bess: you're hired 2009-02-24 13:11:24 royt bess: not sure yet, stay tuned 2009-02-24 13:11:25 jtgorman royt: I hear rumors that rsinger has a roomba. See if he's bought it. I'm sure he's modified it to have a herding function. 2009-02-24 13:11:25 bess royt: what do I do? 2009-02-24 13:11:31 bess okay, staying tuned 2009-02-24 13:11:34 mbklein mjgiarlo's light saber tells time?! 2009-02-24 13:11:41 ecorrado anarchivist: we'll have timers up here as long as royt isn't IRCing 2009-02-24 13:11:42 scolford roomba++ 2009-02-24 13:11:51 rsinger somehow i did not pack my roomba 2009-02-24 13:11:55 jbrinley mbklein: no, the force tells time, the light saber helps him focus 2009-02-24 13:12:29 lbjay mike gets entranced by the yellow wallpaper... 2009-02-24 13:12:48 rsinger noop 2009-02-24 13:12:48 MrDys lbjay: are you dying? 2009-02-24 13:12:58 emcrens Not as clumsy or as random as a blaster, but an elegant weapon for telling time. 2009-02-24 13:13:01 anarchivist he was looking longingly at the corner 2009-02-24 13:13:08 jtgorman jtgorman gets tempted yet again to go home to where it's nice and quiet and work from home 2009-02-24 13:13:16 fak3r mjgiarlo: looks like a bouncer up there 2009-02-24 13:13:17 BigD pining for the fjords 2009-02-24 13:13:20 bess aaargh! the yellow wallpaper! I'm being oppressed by victorian sexual repression and hypocrisy! 2009-02-24 13:13:33 fak3r mjgiarlo: "sorry, private party" 2009-02-24 13:13:42 bess obscure_literary_allusions++ # at least I amuse myself 2009-02-24 13:13:43 jtgorman bess: don't worry, I'll be along in a bit to help you get those people out of it 2009-02-24 13:13:46 MrDys cover looks oddly similar to our yellow wallpaper: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/f/fa/YellowWallpaperCover.jpg 2009-02-24 13:13:52 jtgorman bess: not that obscure to me ;) 2009-02-24 13:13:54 ecorrado mjgiarlo is there to force esu off the stage when his 20 minutes is up 2009-02-24 13:14:07 gsf gsf checks for an earbud on mjgiarlo 2009-02-24 13:14:09 jtgorman bess: but I read way too many scary stories as a kid ;) 2009-02-24 13:14:13 rsinger bums_rusher++ 2009-02-24 13:14:16 JodiS papo: Verde is an ERM. Supposed to have the capability to pull in license data, eventually harvest with SUSHI. Backend mgmt tool 2009-02-24 13:14:23 fak3r conclusion_page-- 2009-02-24 13:14:28 abarrera hanz++ franz-- 2009-02-24 13:14:29 scolford "sorry, private party all night" 2009-02-24 13:14:47 ejk @sing beastie boys: pass the mike 2009-02-24 13:15:12 gsf don't give the toy to ed 2009-02-24 13:15:42 zoia ejk: No lyrics for pass the mike by beastie boys. Searched lyricwiki & lyricsty 2009-02-24 13:15:59 timmcgeary font++ 2009-02-24 13:16:04 BillDueber put it away!!!!!!! 2009-02-24 13:16:09 kgs font_awareness++ 2009-02-24 13:16:18 JodiS @later tell mjgiarlo What point size is that font? 2009-02-24 13:16:19 zoia JodiS: The operation succeeded. 2009-02-24 13:16:19 timmcgeary BillDueber: that's what she said 2009-02-24 13:16:20 akorphan asnagy: Do you pronounce it "Nooj" in the traditional Hungarian manner? 2009-02-24 13:16:34 gsf the lightsabre is for keeping us awake 2009-02-24 13:16:46 rosy1280 demonstrations are good...even when its just a pdf 2009-02-24 13:16:59 asnagy akorphan: no - i bastardize my last name and pronounce it in "american" 2009-02-24 13:17:01 anarchivist demos-- 2009-02-24 13:17:11 anarchivist failure++ 2009-02-24 13:17:16 ecorrado e-prints++ 2009-02-24 13:17:21 ranti Wait, uh, no real sword involved there? 2009-02-24 13:17:22 dlovins "Throw up a PDF document" sounds painful. 2009-02-24 13:17:23 scolford throwing_up_pdf-- 2009-02-24 13:17:33 anarchivist i think i did that the weekend before last 2009-02-24 13:17:40 abarrera eating_pdf_w_bacon++ 2009-02-24 13:17:42 JodiS does somebody have a laser pointer? 2009-02-24 13:17:43 akorphan OK, I just got that the light saber is some kind of pun. Sheesh, slow today. 2009-02-24 13:17:45 papo JodiS: ok, thank you. Is it cool? 2009-02-24 13:17:47 JodiS JodiS is used to waving at the screen 2009-02-24 13:17:53 mbklein mjgiarlo has totally bought into the metaphor. 2009-02-24 13:17:54 anarchivist edsu-- 2009-02-24 13:17:58 JodiS papo: don't use it first hand. hard to tell. 2009-02-24 13:18:01 zoia New news from planetcode4lib: Matienzo, Mark: Go FOAF Yourself 2009-02-24 13:18:03 jfereira I have a laser pointer in my pocket and I'm not afraid to use it 2009-02-24 13:18:05 MrDys this is the year of sound effects 2009-02-24 13:18:17 gsf jfereira: use it 2009-02-24 13:18:29 BigD jfereira: dot his head! 2009-02-24 13:18:37 rsinger standards_schmandards 2009-02-24 13:19:04 jrochkind100 verde is NOT cool. 2009-02-24 13:19:09 jbrinley jbrinley waits for the lightning talk on the schmandard standard 2009-02-24 13:19:10 abarrera @later tell mjgiarlo stop talking about your package 2009-02-24 13:19:12 fak3r a package could be a birthday present! 2009-02-24 13:19:15 timmcgeary perl++ 2009-02-24 13:19:17 BillDueber jrochkind100++, verde-- verde-- verde-- 2009-02-24 13:19:21 JodiS jrochkind100: more details? 2009-02-24 13:19:22 fak3r type it out, na, up arrow is all ya need 2009-02-24 13:19:30 cbarr verde-- 2009-02-24 13:19:36 zoia abarrera: The operation succeeded. 2009-02-24 13:19:39 mbklein fak3r: Step 2: Put your package in the box 2009-02-24 13:19:42 akorphan cazzerson: tell zoia your foaf uri 2009-02-24 13:19:43 fak3r cobra_verde++ 2009-02-24 13:19:51 jfereira waiting for him to use the sword... 2009-02-24 13:19:51 jrochkind100 JodiS: Exactly. It needs some more details. It doens't do anything. 2009-02-24 13:19:53 fak3r mbklein++ 2009-02-24 13:19:54 MrDys salsa_verde++ 2009-02-24 13:19:56 scolford mbklein++ 2009-02-24 13:20:04 taco cobra_commander++ 2009-02-24 13:20:10 JodiS jrochkind100: is it a structure that COULD be useful in the future? 2009-02-24 13:20:13 BillDueber jrochkind100: UMich officially gave up on Verde about a month ago. 2009-02-24 13:20:15 anarchivist going_commando++ 2009-02-24 13:20:15 rsinger destro++ 2009-02-24 13:20:16 fak3r contra2++ 2009-02-24 13:20:22 rsinger @whatis Destro 2009-02-24 13:20:25 JodiS JodiS thinks SUSHI harvesting support would be really good, if it's really coming 2009-02-24 13:20:26 zoia rsinger: subgroup: Iron Grenadiers
Star Brigade Armor Tech; function: Weapons supplier; debut: 1983; abstract: Destro is a fictional villain from G.I. Joe, a military-themed line of toys from Hasbro. He first appeared in the G.I. Joe: A Real American Hero line. He is portrayed by Christopher Eccleston in the motion picture set for release in 2009.; realname: Destro XXIV, James McCullen; (1 more message) 2009-02-24 13:20:32 jrochkind100 BillDueber: Wow, you gave up on it? That's big. 2009-02-24 13:20:33 akorphan @known nick uri 2009-02-24 13:20:34 zoia akorphan: (known []) -- Returns the URI associated with the given nick. Defaults to the calling user. If no nick given, returns a list of nicks which have an associated URI. 2009-02-24 13:20:41 dbs Ontario is close to giving up on Verde. 2009-02-24 13:20:43 akorphan err, @know nick uri 2009-02-24 13:21:01 mbklein @know 2009-02-24 13:21:01 dbs (at least, those poor sucker institutions that were piloting it) 2009-02-24 13:21:02 zoia mbklein: (know [] ) -- Associates the given URI with the given nick. If the nick already has a URI, it will be forgotten. Defaults to the calling user. 2009-02-24 13:21:20 cazzerson @know cazzerson http://www.monkey.org/~caz/foaf.rdf#jmcasden 2009-02-24 13:21:21 BillDueber jrochkind100: Yup. Our systems guys have already reclaimed the server. And I'm walkin' on sunshine (Yeah yeah!) 2009-02-24 13:21:21 rsinger reference_implementations_of_wildly_overblown_specs-- 2009-02-24 13:21:22 zoia cazzerson: cazzerson's URI is now 2009-02-24 13:21:26 akorphan @knows akorphan kazzerson 2009-02-24 13:21:27 zoia akorphan: I don't know kazzerson's URI 2009-02-24 13:21:31 akorphan @knows akorphan cazzerson 2009-02-24 13:21:32 zoia akorphan: akorphan does not know cazzerson, but cazzerson knows akorphan. 2009-02-24 13:21:33 fak3r fak3r images webuis 2009-02-24 13:21:35 JodiS @known 2009-02-24 13:21:35 zoia zoia JodiS: I know URIs for the following users: BillDueber, JodiS, MrDys, akorphan, anarchivist, cazzerson, fak3r, flighty, gsf, jbrinley, kgs, ksclarke, lbjay, mbklein, mjg_, rsinger, scolford, wickr, zoia 2009-02-24 13:21:39 akorphan hmm. 2009-02-24 13:21:41 mbklein @foaf cazzerson knows 2009-02-24 13:21:43 zoia mbklein: cazzerson : , , 2009-02-24 13:21:51 anarchivist @foaf anarchivist knows 2009-02-24 13:21:53 pmurray @know http://dltj.org/foaf/foaf.rdf#me 2009-02-24 13:21:53 zoia anarchivist: anarchivist : , , , , , , , , , (1 more message) 2009-02-24 13:21:55 zoia pmurray: pmurray's URI is now 2009-02-24 13:21:57 jbrinley @list foaf 2009-02-24 13:21:58 zoia jbrinley: common, foaf, forget, know, known, knows, and predicates 2009-02-24 13:21:58 JodiS hmm... A before a 2009-02-24 13:21:59 lbjay mbklein: FOAF_plugin++ 2009-02-24 13:22:02 anarchivist @more 2009-02-24 13:22:02 akorphan @foaf akorphan knows 2009-02-24 13:22:02 zoia anarchivist: , , , 2009-02-24 13:22:04 zoia akorphan: akorphan : 2009-02-24 13:22:06 escowles @know http://ticklefish.org/esme/foaf.rdf#escowles 2009-02-24 13:22:06 zoia escowles: escowles's URI is now 2009-02-24 13:22:07 mib_xxmepy6r cross swords 2009-02-24 13:22:07 JodiS @foaf predicates 2009-02-24 13:22:08 zoia JodiS: (foaf predicates ) -- Displays the relationships that have been asserted by the given nick about the other nick or URI. 2009-02-24 13:22:11 pmurray @foaf pmurray knows 2009-02-24 13:22:13 zoia pmurray: pmurray : "cwQaxxQq2377", "cwQaxxQq2380", "cwQaxxQq2378", "cwQaxxQq2382", "cwQaxxQq2375", "cwQaxxQq2381", "cwQaxxQq2374", "cwQaxxQq2376", "cwQaxxQq2383", "cwQaxxQq2373", "cwQaxxQq2379", "cwQaxxQq2384" 2009-02-24 13:22:20 jbrinley @common jbrinley mbklein pmurray 2009-02-24 13:22:21 mbklein yowza 2009-02-24 13:22:22 zoia jbrinley: Error: I tried to send you an empty message. 2009-02-24 13:22:25 JodiS @foaf predicates jbrinley 2009-02-24 13:22:26 cazzerson anarchivist: I switched mine from foaf.xml to foaf.rdf to return proper mimetype 2009-02-24 13:22:26 zoia JodiS: (foaf predicates ) -- Displays the relationships that have been asserted by the given nick about the other nick or URI. 2009-02-24 13:22:27 lbjay blanknodes-- 2009-02-24 13:22:32 jbrinley @common jbrinley mbklein 2009-02-24 13:22:33 zoia jbrinley: Error: I tried to send you an empty message. 2009-02-24 13:22:34 mbklein @common interest jbrinley mbklein pmurray 2009-02-24 13:22:36 zoia mbklein: , , 2009-02-24 13:22:38 anarchivist cazzerson: yeah, i'm lazy 2009-02-24 13:22:39 fak3r hey, sword sounds about as backwards compat as fedora-commons 2009-02-24 13:22:46 rsinger @foaf rsinger interest 2009-02-24 13:22:46 jbrinley @common zoia gsf 2009-02-24 13:22:50 zoia rsinger: rsinger : , , , , "library technology", 2009-02-24 13:22:51 zoia jbrinley: Error: I tried to send you an empty message. 2009-02-24 13:22:51 mbklein jbrinley: The first argument has to be a foaf: predicate 2009-02-24 13:22:54 timmcgeary cup+fork++ 2009-02-24 13:22:54 fak3r *crickets* 2009-02-24 13:23:05 pmurray lbjay: Blank nodes is why I got that odd result? 2009-02-24 13:23:06 mbklein @common 2009-02-24 13:23:06 zoia mbklein: (common , [, ...]) -- Returns the objects that all nicks have in common related to the given predicate. 2009-02-24 13:23:10 jbrinley @common interest zoia gsf 2009-02-24 13:23:12 zoia jbrinley: , 2009-02-24 13:23:12 lbjay it's the Death Roy! 2009-02-24 13:23:16 ejk sniper! 2009-02-24 13:23:19 jrochkind100 a knife and a fork, a bottle and a cork, that's the way you spell new york. 2009-02-24 13:23:31 fak3r jrochkind100++ 2009-02-24 13:23:38 bess anarchivist++ # just on general principle 2009-02-24 13:23:41 mbklein Please don't add royt's foaf back in. It keeps hurting zoia. 2009-02-24 13:23:43 lbjay this guy again... 2009-02-24 13:23:49 mbklein (Sorry, royt) 2009-02-24 13:23:56 mbklein @ana royt's foaf hurts zoia 2009-02-24 13:23:57 zoia mbklein: Hazy of riotous farts 2009-02-24 13:24:03 mbklein zoia-- 2009-02-24 13:24:04 cazzerson @knows akorphan 2009-02-24 13:24:05 zoia cazzerson: (knows ) -- Determines if the two given nicks know each other based on their registered FOAFs. 2009-02-24 13:24:10 mib_xxmepy6r loud 2009-02-24 13:24:15 rosy1280 very loud 2009-02-24 13:24:17 MrDys it always sounds like his last name is a ninja 2009-02-24 13:24:22 akorphan @known akorphan 2009-02-24 13:24:22 zoia akorphan: akorphan's URI is 2009-02-24 13:24:26 abarrera mjgiarlo: there is bacon grease on my phone now 2009-02-24 13:24:28 BigD ninja boots 2009-02-24 13:24:29 jrochkind100 instead, I'm going to do my stand up routine. 2009-02-24 13:24:31 charper @know http://harper.bobst.nyu.edu/data/foaf.rdf#me 2009-02-24 13:24:32 fak3r this was one of the talks I wanted to see....thought it was a cool idea 2009-02-24 13:24:32 zoia charper: charper's URI is now 2009-02-24 13:24:36 gsf anarchivist works the crowd 2009-02-24 13:24:37 mib_ta2hma anarchivist kicks a hole in the speaker, pulls the plug, then he jets. 2009-02-24 13:24:39 timmcgeary rock the mic 2009-02-24 13:24:40 liza31337 omg finally 2009-02-24 13:24:45 robcaSSon back to the lab 2009-02-24 13:24:48 mbklein @knows mbklein charper 2009-02-24 13:24:48 fak3r knee_high_boots++ 2009-02-24 13:24:50 zoia mbklein: mbklein and charper do not know each other. 2009-02-24 13:24:52 robcaSSon w/o a mic to grab 2009-02-24 13:25:02 abarrera i hope he doesn't start singing Barry Manilow songs 2009-02-24 13:25:03 BillDueber one_slide_talk++ 2009-02-24 13:25:04 fak3r click 'next' 2009-02-24 13:25:08 mbklein holy crap, jbrinley, the thing actually works as advertised. :D 2009-02-24 13:25:23 jbrinley mbklein++ 2009-02-24 13:25:27 BigD "Oh Mandy...!" 2009-02-24 13:25:34 kat3 kat3 will be taking pictures of *every* slide on this presentation 2009-02-24 13:25:37 fak3r ead-- # apparently 2009-02-24 13:25:40 rosy1280 barry was here in providence a couple of weeks ago 2009-02-24 13:25:51 timmcgeary barry_manilow++ 2009-02-24 13:25:54 erikhatcher glen newton in here? 2009-02-24 13:25:54 dchud reporting_negative_results++ 2009-02-24 13:26:02 BigD barry_manilow++ 2009-02-24 13:26:05 ecorrado dchud: agreed 2009-02-24 13:26:07 erikhatcher for glen: http://blogs.sun.com/searchguy/entry/indexing_an_sql_database_or 2009-02-24 13:26:08 BigD REO++ 2009-02-24 13:26:13 ecorrado anarchivist++ 2009-02-24 13:26:14 mbklein Barry recorded a cover of "Never Gonna Give You Up" last year. 2009-02-24 13:26:19 MrDys I keep thinking that anarchivist is going to scream into the mic like Henry ROllins 2009-02-24 13:26:19 rosy1280 fanillows++ 2009-02-24 13:26:27 mjg_ abarrera++ # for making that presentation a success 2009-02-24 13:26:41 BigD countdown to c4l09's first rickroll 2009-02-24 13:26:46 abarrera mjgiarlo: only cause c4l has low standards for you 2009-02-24 13:26:48 taco henry rollins++ 2009-02-24 13:26:55 MrDys s/standards/tolerance/ 2009-02-24 13:26:59 akorphan @knows akorphan cazzerson 2009-02-24 13:26:59 zoia akorphan: akorphan and cazzerson know each other. 2009-02-24 13:27:03 BigD mjg_ success? 2009-02-24 13:27:18 mbklein @common knows akorphan cazzerson 2009-02-24 13:27:20 bess how do you tell zoia about a foaf file? 2009-02-24 13:27:20 zoia mbklein: Error: I tried to send you an empty message. 2009-02-24 13:27:23 JodiS kat3: they'll also be up at http://code4lib.org/conference/2009/schedule eventually 2009-02-24 13:27:27 mib_xxmepy6r lolcat slides this year so far = 0 2009-02-24 13:27:31 JodiS anarchavist++ #best photos ever 2009-02-24 13:27:31 mbklein @know 2009-02-24 13:27:32 zoia mbklein: (know [] ) -- Associates the given URI with the given nick. If the nick already has a URI, it will be forgotten. Defaults to the calling user. 2009-02-24 13:27:33 kgs bess @know 2009-02-24 13:27:33 fak3r mjg_ so it sounds like backwards compat isn't part of sword? 2009-02-24 13:27:36 mjg_ BigD: yeah, man, there's like this pile of bacon back here. in absence of accolades, bacon is acceptable. 2009-02-24 13:27:39 wtd @knows wtd ksclarke 2009-02-24 13:27:40 zoia wtd: I don't know wtd's URI 2009-02-24 13:27:58 bess @know www.ibiblio.org/bess/foaf.rdf#me 2009-02-24 13:27:58 zoia bess: Error: 'www.ibiblio.org/bess/foaf.rdf#me' is not a valid url. 2009-02-24 13:28:02 fak3r I can haz interns? (no) 2009-02-24 13:28:03 mjg_ fak3r: it's still fairly newish 2009-02-24 13:28:07 bess @know www.ibiblio.org/bess/foaf.rdf 2009-02-24 13:28:07 zoia bess: Error: 'www.ibiblio.org/bess/foaf.rdf' is not a valid url. 2009-02-24 13:28:10 jtgorman jtgorman sighs at a librarian from another CARLI school who will go unname who sent an email to us complaining about stuff in our catalog 2009-02-24 13:28:12 bess d'oh 2009-02-24 13:28:12 mbklein bess: include the http:// 2009-02-24 13:28:25 akorphan @common 2009-02-24 13:28:25 bess @know http://www.ibiblio.org/bess/foaf.rdf#me 2009-02-24 13:28:26 zoia akorphan: (common , [, ...]) -- Returns the objects that all nicks have in common related to the given predicate. 2009-02-24 13:28:27 jtgorman gee...folks...could you stop complaining to us and complain to CARLI...please? 2009-02-24 13:28:27 zoia bess: bess's URI is now 2009-02-24 13:28:30 fak3r gross 2009-02-24 13:28:34 gsf grossest pb&j ever 2009-02-24 13:28:36 MikeTaylor Write your talk, Seb! 2009-02-24 13:28:40 dchud congealed blood and mustard sandwich! 2009-02-24 13:28:46 JodiS jtgorman: could you stop complaining to us and complain to somebody who can change the system? 2009-02-24 13:28:49 jtgorman otherwise I'm just going to keep complaining to other random people ;) 2009-02-24 13:28:50 abarrera @know http://barr.eraic.us/foaf.rdf#me 2009-02-24 13:28:50 zoia abarrera: abarrera's URI is now 2009-02-24 13:28:51 wtd @know http://www.miskaonic.org/foaf.rdf#me 2009-02-24 13:28:51 fak3r git++ 2009-02-24 13:28:52 zoia wtd: wtd's URI is now 2009-02-24 13:28:56 BillDueber BillDueber is also too stupid to use git 2009-02-24 13:28:56 wtd Oops. 2009-02-24 13:28:58 JodiS <-- random person 2009-02-24 13:29:00 wtd @know http://www.miskatonic.org/foaf.rdf#me 2009-02-24 13:29:01 jtgorman JodiS: aawwww, you beat me to my own punchline 2009-02-24 13:29:01 zoia wtd: wtd's URI is now 2009-02-24 13:29:03 mbklein mbklein too 2009-02-24 13:29:04 bess @knows bess JodiS 2009-02-24 13:29:07 zoia bess: bess and JodiS do not know each other. 2009-02-24 13:29:10 rsinger thank god somebody said this 2009-02-24 13:29:11 jtgorman JodiS: nah, don't worry, I'll do that too ;) 2009-02-24 13:29:16 Baroquem @know http://abacus.webhop.org/foaf.rdf#me 2009-02-24 13:29:17 zoia Baroquem: Baroquem's URI is now 2009-02-24 13:29:19 akorphan @common knows akorphan cazzerson 2009-02-24 13:29:20 zoia akorphan: Error: I tried to send you an empty message. 2009-02-24 13:29:22 JodiS @know bess 2009-02-24 13:29:23 zoia JodiS: (know [] ) -- Associates the given URI with the given nick. If the nick already has a URI, it will be forgotten. Defaults to the calling user. 2009-02-24 13:29:29 dchud beezer represent 2009-02-24 13:29:30 gsf git has gotten easier 2009-02-24 13:29:31 mjg_ beeeeeeeeeezer 2009-02-24 13:29:32 liza31337 Totally agree with hg > git 2009-02-24 13:29:33 fak3r oh, so it has to be in python? 2009-02-24 13:29:33 jtgorman JodiS: but there is an actual point to my complaint... 2009-02-24 13:29:34 ecorrado overkill-- 2009-02-24 13:29:38 JodiS @known bess 2009-02-24 13:29:38 zoia JodiS: bess's URI is 2009-02-24 13:29:48 edsu git++ 2009-02-24 13:29:48 gsf fak3r: a python bias is ok 2009-02-24 13:29:51 jtgorman JodiS: it's always shocking ot me how little the librarians who work here and elsewhere understand how our technology stack works 2009-02-24 13:29:52 fak3r I used to run cvs servers for it groups; I now perfer git 2009-02-24 13:29:52 edsu anarchivist-- 2009-02-24 13:29:54 BigD @know http://www.declan.net/foaf.rdf#djf 2009-02-24 13:29:55 zoia BigD: BigD's URI is now 2009-02-24 13:29:58 jbrinley @common knows jbrinley zoia 2009-02-24 13:30:00 zoia jbrinley: , , , , , , , , 2009-02-24 13:30:01 JodiS JodiS adds bess' URI to her broken FOAF 2009-02-24 13:30:07 edsu anarchivist: returning the compliment :) 2009-02-24 13:30:10 robcaSSon anarchivist has contracted my stuttering 2009-02-24 13:30:12 akorphan @knows cazzerson akorphan 2009-02-24 13:30:13 lbjay lbjay imagines "bizarre" would be a tough sell to higher up dev managers 2009-02-24 13:30:13 zoia akorphan: cazzerson and akorphan know each other. 2009-02-24 13:30:16 jtgorman JodiS: that is, what we have actual control over, what is provided by CARLI, and what is under the control of the actual software 2009-02-24 13:30:16 mjg_ @later tell anarchivist "HG" is easier to say than "mercurial" 2009-02-24 13:30:17 fak3r I'm indiffernt on monotone 2009-02-24 13:30:17 zoia mjg_: The operation succeeded. 2009-02-24 13:30:25 JodiS jtgorman: honestly, I don't care 2009-02-24 13:30:26 akorphan @common knows cazzerson akorphan 2009-02-24 13:30:26 zoia akorphan: Error: I tried to send you an empty message. 2009-02-24 13:30:27 highermath_co screw git svn 4evr 2009-02-24 13:30:30 bess @knows bess royt 2009-02-24 13:30:31 zoia bess: I don't know royt's URI 2009-02-24 13:30:32 akorphan OK, something funny is going on. 2009-02-24 13:30:35 MrDys anarchivist is making the camera intern earn his scrilla 2009-02-24 13:30:35 mib_xxmepy6r great looking rat 2009-02-24 13:30:36 jtgorman JodiS: heh 2009-02-24 13:30:43 fak3r hmmm...so, python good, rat logo, bad. 2009-02-24 13:30:43 escowles rats-- 2009-02-24 13:30:47 edsu is that jaegermeister (sic)? 2009-02-24 13:30:47 mbklein @known JodiS 2009-02-24 13:30:48 zoia mbklein: JodiS's URI is 2009-02-24 13:30:50 JodiS jtgorman: may sound funny, but I'm dead serious 2009-02-24 13:30:52 mjg_ edsu: totally. 2009-02-24 13:30:56 dchud dlovins: i'd promised to send you this: http://bazaar-vcs.org/Workflows (overview of dvcs workflows) 2009-02-24 13:30:57 fak3r edsu: y 2009-02-24 13:30:59 escowles python++ 2009-02-24 13:31:03 edsu edsu upchucks 2009-02-24 13:31:06 mjg_ edsu: right after it defeated me in dishonorable combat. 2009-02-24 13:31:06 zoia clean up on aisle 2 2009-02-24 13:31:09 mbklein @knows mbklein bess 2009-02-24 13:31:12 zoia mbklein: mbklein and bess know each other. 2009-02-24 13:31:12 dchud dlovins: it's on the bazaar site but the overview applies to all the dvcses 2009-02-24 13:31:15 jtgorman JodiS: well, then put me on /ignore or something 2009-02-24 13:31:31 JodiS jtgorman: I like you. I don't want to /ignore you. 2009-02-24 13:31:33 akorphan cazzerson: oh, it excludes the endpoints. Can a person foaf:knows thyself? 2009-02-24 13:31:33 JodiS JodiS shrugs 2009-02-24 13:31:34 mjg_ dchud: I should have thanked you as well. my bad. 2009-02-24 13:31:36 highermath_co Python++ Python&Jaegermeister++++++++ 2009-02-24 13:31:52 JodiS lovely, lovely slide colors 2009-02-24 13:32:02 mbklein @common interest mbklein bess 2009-02-24 13:32:04 zoia mbklein: , , 2009-02-24 13:32:13 fak3r blain? that's not a name, it's a major appliance! 2009-02-24 13:32:32 mbklein fak3r++ # Pretty in Pink reference 2009-02-24 13:32:40 jtgorman I do wonder though if there's any good way to make it easier to get people to go to the right source....I mean, at least the librairans 2009-02-24 13:32:48 bess philosophy_majors++ 2009-02-24 13:32:49 BigD English Major 2009-02-24 13:32:54 gsf @knows gsf gsf 2009-02-24 13:32:55 akorphan @knows akorphan akorphan 2009-02-24 13:32:56 zoia gsf: gsf and gsf do not know each other. 2009-02-24 13:32:56 mbklein <-- Music Major 2009-02-24 13:32:58 zoia akorphan: akorphan and akorphan do not know each other. 2009-02-24 13:32:58 rsinger theatre_major 2009-02-24 13:33:02 MrDys saaaaaad pug 2009-02-24 13:33:04 wtd @knows wtd ksclarke 2009-02-24 13:33:05 akorphan gsf: You owe me a coke. 2009-02-24 13:33:05 zoia wtd: wtd and ksclarke know each other. 2009-02-24 13:33:05 fak3r <-- art major 2009-02-24 13:33:08 mib_xxmepy6r <--- philosophy major 2009-02-24 13:33:09 timmcgeary mbklein++ 2009-02-24 13:33:12 timmcgeary <-- music major 2009-02-24 13:33:15 mbklein gsf / akorphan: If you don't assert it, zoia don't know it. :) 2009-02-24 13:33:15 gsf akorphan: ok 2009-02-24 13:33:16 mjg_ <-- major morno 2009-02-24 13:33:16 edsu never made it past 3rd grade 2009-02-24 13:33:17 rosy1280 <--philosophy minor 2009-02-24 13:33:20 cbarr <-- art major 2009-02-24 13:33:22 gsf mbklein: right 2009-02-24 13:33:27 lbjay <-- english major 2009-02-24 13:33:28 dchud mjg_: i will carry this grudge with me to my grave. TO. MY. GRAVE. 2009-02-24 13:33:31 erikhatcher usually its more comical xml than canonical 2009-02-24 13:33:34 mbklein mjg_: Master of Morno? 2009-02-24 13:33:35 fak3r <---- major domo 2009-02-24 13:33:38 abarrera mjgiarlo++ # morno 2009-02-24 13:33:39 BillDueber <-- CS major (am I the only one in the house?) 2009-02-24 13:33:40 liza31337 <-- psych major 2009-02-24 13:33:44 mbklein @ana master of morno 2009-02-24 13:33:45 zoia mbklein: Am softer moron 2009-02-24 13:33:48 lbjay lbjay salutes Major Morno, mjg_ 2009-02-24 13:33:49 fak3r beer_pong++ 2009-02-24 13:33:51 erikhatcher BillDueber: CS major also 2009-02-24 13:33:51 abarrera <-- ee major 2009-02-24 13:33:53 jtgorman BillDueber: nope, CS major as well. Of course, I'm "not in the house" 2009-02-24 13:33:54 taco <- pol sci 2009-02-24 13:33:55 dlovins @google canonical xml 2009-02-24 13:33:56 rsinger @ana morno for myros 2009-02-24 13:33:56 zoia dlovins: Search took 0.24 seconds: Canonical XML: ; Canonical XML Version 1.0: ; Canonical XML: ; Canonical XML - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: ; Introducing XML canonical form: ; Canonical XML: (2 more messages) 2009-02-24 13:33:58 zoia rsinger: Sorry! From moon 2009-02-24 13:33:58 mouwd <-- cs major 2009-02-24 13:34:02 edsu dchud: sorry i couldn't do teh entire snl skit, would've been bettter than me saying things i would later regret 2009-02-24 13:34:02 jtgorman BillDueber: if you mean code4lib ;) 2009-02-24 13:34:03 mjg_ <-- linguistics major, philosophy minor, LIS sucker, compling dropout 2009-02-24 13:34:06 fak3r python mention' 2009-02-24 13:34:06 jtgorman just #code4lib 2009-02-24 13:34:08 steambadger English major, philosophy minor 2009-02-24 13:34:09 MrDys <-- -"IT" major 2009-02-24 13:34:10 fak3r python mention' 2009-02-24 13:34:12 erikhatcher liza31337: but with a pysch minor 2009-02-24 13:34:21 andyashton <--Drum major 2009-02-24 13:34:25 BillDueber jtgorman: You're in the house. We're a big-tent organization. 2009-02-24 13:34:27 mbklein We should all put our majors in our FOAFs and let zoia sort it out. 2009-02-24 13:34:30 timmcgeary <-- engineering ms 2009-02-24 13:34:32 fak3r <-- major headache 2009-02-24 13:34:33 abarrera <-- major payne 2009-02-24 13:34:36 mjg_ JUnit's newest album sucks. 2009-02-24 13:34:40 escowles <-- English major 2009-02-24 13:34:41 BillDueber mbklein++ # what's the correct tag? 2009-02-24 13:34:51 rsinger @karma < 2009-02-24 13:34:52 dchud mjg_, edsu: hey maybe i should do a lightning on bagit? 2009-02-24 13:34:53 zoia rsinger: Karma for "<" has been increased 0 times and decreased 0 times for a total karma of 0. 2009-02-24 13:34:53 akorphan <-- math major, english minor, religion minor, MSLS 2009-02-24 13:34:55 fak3r too_many_bookmarks-- 2009-02-24 13:34:56 JodiS delicious.com/anarchivist/xml+diffs 2009-02-24 13:35:06 jtgorman jtgorman never concentrated enough to ge ta minor 2009-02-24 13:35:06 highermath_c highermath_c staqrted as dual physics/ee --- has ba Psych 2009-02-24 13:35:09 mjg_ dchud++ # why not? and give a reference to our crappy sourceforce page 2009-02-24 13:35:12 edsu dchud++ 2009-02-24 13:35:16 mib_xxmepy6r elvi? 2009-02-24 13:35:16 JodiS err, that didn't work. spelling of diffs? 2009-02-24 13:35:19 mbklein BillDueber: Probably have to use literals. I don't know which vocab/resource set would apply. 2009-02-24 13:35:26 akorphan elvoi? 2009-02-24 13:35:28 highermath_co it wss the 60's 2009-02-24 13:35:37 dchud mjg_, edsu: maybe i will do it as samurai john belushi. if i could borrow your sword. 2009-02-24 13:35:46 mjg_ I would express those in FABULOUSml 2009-02-24 13:35:50 wickr JodiS: http://delicious.com/anarchivist/xml+diff 2009-02-24 13:35:52 mib_xxmepy6r lol 2009-02-24 13:35:54 BigD mjg_++ 2009-02-24 13:35:59 jbrinley @quote add Say all these Elvis impersonators are XML documents. 2009-02-24 13:36:00 dchud E: welcome. great nick. :) 2009-02-24 13:36:01 zoia jbrinley: The operation succeeded. Quote #1726 added. 2009-02-24 13:36:07 JodiS wickr++ 2009-02-24 13:36:09 fak3r dchud: hamburger, hamburger, no coke, pepsi 2009-02-24 13:36:16 mjg_ dchud: my sword is thine, sir knight. 2009-02-24 13:36:24 BigD fak3r: cheeeebuger 2009-02-24 13:36:26 mbklein @foaf mbklein schoolHomepage 2009-02-24 13:36:27 zoia mbklein: mbklein : , 2009-02-24 13:36:37 MrDys dchud: you end up making anything in nodebox last night? 2009-02-24 13:36:43 dchud seems like he could've used an EAD doctype in wordperfect or word and dvcs'd them as binary files 2009-02-24 13:36:53 jtgorman jtgorman eye twitches 2009-02-24 13:36:59 dchud MrDys: nah, nothing interesting, just doing tutorials 2009-02-24 13:37:01 jtgorman whaaa... 2009-02-24 13:37:07 jtgorman ok, maybe I'm glad I'm not there 2009-02-24 13:37:08 lbjay xml-- # for making anarchivist fail 2009-02-24 13:37:08 wickr wickr shudders at mention of EAD with WP and WOrd 2009-02-24 13:37:19 fak3r macro_pictures++ 2009-02-24 13:37:22 mjg_ jtgorman: no, you're not. 2009-02-24 13:37:24 edsu (i tried to do this in 5 minutes, and couldn't do it) 2009-02-24 13:37:37 dchud wickr: if done well, it can be pretty productive 2009-02-24 13:37:42 BigD anarchivist just needs a hug 2009-02-24 13:37:50 abarrera puppies++ # that dog knows he foaf'd up 2009-02-24 13:37:55 gsf BigD: squeeze the fail out of him 2009-02-24 13:37:59 bess jamieorc: hi! We're all at the code4lib conference in RI! 2009-02-24 13:38:00 wickr dchud: but I still don't think that gets anarchivist what he wants 2009-02-24 13:38:12 dchud THEY DO NAHTHINK! 2009-02-24 13:38:17 jamieorc bess so says erikhatcher 2009-02-24 13:38:25 dchud wickr: maybe so 2009-02-24 13:38:30 ecorrado anarchivist: FAIL!!!!! 2009-02-24 13:38:33 mbklein <-- Guitar Zero 2009-02-24 13:38:34 jtgorman mjg_: dchud is scaring me even here 2009-02-24 13:38:36 liza31337 Yay Rock Band 2009-02-24 13:38:41 fak3r we'll look into it and get back to you on that 2009-02-24 13:38:55 dchud wow 120 users 2009-02-24 13:38:56 mbklein mbklein got a little addicted to Rock Band @ Access2008 2009-02-24 13:39:02 akorphan fait_no_more++ 2009-02-24 13:39:18 taco mike_patton++ 2009-02-24 13:39:32 mjg_ fail_no_more++ 2009-02-24 13:39:40 mbklein Is this about EAD, DVCS, or diffs? :s 2009-02-24 13:39:49 mib_xxmepy6r it's about fail 2009-02-24 13:39:52 dchud chickmarkley: the upcoming libx talk might be another good place to find interesting javascript 2009-02-24 13:39:53 andyashton namespaces don't work in EAD?? 2009-02-24 13:40:00 mbklein That's OK, Mark. You must be exhausted. 2009-02-24 13:40:06 rsinger 20 minutes of shame 2009-02-24 13:40:08 fak3r YHF 2009-02-24 13:40:12 jbrinley andyashton: I'm not sure anything works in EAD 2009-02-24 13:40:15 mbklein The long, slow walk to the mic. 2009-02-24 13:40:16 timmcgeary no shame in trying 2009-02-24 13:40:23 BillDueber BillDueber is hearing the jeopardy music in his head 2009-02-24 13:40:23 BigD mbklein rockin out: http://www.flickr.com/photos/bigdpix/2931454621/in/set-72157607933737792/ 2009-02-24 13:40:26 rsinger andyashton: i don't think the DTD allows things to be namespaced in 2009-02-24 13:40:35 andyashton really...ouch 2009-02-24 13:40:46 andyashton DTDs-- 2009-02-24 13:40:48 wickr I think they're working on it for the schema 2009-02-24 13:40:52 jaron1 jaron1 is dealing with EAD right now 2009-02-24 13:40:54 jaron1 ead-- 2009-02-24 13:40:58 BillDueber Key phrase in question: "...in some intelligent way." 2009-02-24 13:40:59 mbklein BigD++ # capturing the debut and final performance of The Mornos 2009-02-24 13:41:02 rsinger @quote search ead 2009-02-24 13:41:05 zoia zoia rsinger: 79 found: #1014: " I could make an argument that...", #1018: " if edsu hasn't already slaughtered a...", #1043: " marc's been dead for years. the...", #1058: " Since we are not likely...", #1075: " yeah, he's got an impressive CV but I...", #1099: "< edsu> mjg_: after reading that wikipedia on...", #1130: " now i know how code4lib felt, now i know...", (10 more messages) 2009-02-24 13:41:15 rosy1280 ead-- 2009-02-24 13:41:19 cfitz so why use EAD? 2009-02-24 13:41:20 rsinger @quote search monkeys 2009-02-24 13:41:22 abarrera gsf: what was the name of your crappy Rock Band Band 2009-02-24 13:41:23 zoia rsinger: 8 found: #1010: " I don't know what that means, but,...", #128: " you have spoiled me forever with your...", #300: " ead is like the worst application of...", #301: "* ksclark1 wonders why amish monkeys", #355: "< mjgiarlo> Users want... drunken monkeys,...", #393: " sometimes the monkeys' howling forces...", #7: " heard a team of monkeys that played...", and #956: " (1 more message) 2009-02-24 13:41:30 gsf abarrera: which one? 2009-02-24 13:41:34 mbklein cfitz: because someone's forcing you to. 2009-02-24 13:41:35 jtgorman cfitz: cause he works with archivists and that's what they want to use? 2009-02-24 13:41:36 rsinger @quote get 956 2009-02-24 13:41:37 zoia rsinger: Error: There is no Quote with id #956 in my database for #code4lib. 2009-02-24 13:41:44 jaron_ mbklein++ 2009-02-24 13:41:51 akorphan Are the tags in EAD broken up into inline markup and hierarchical data in a well-defined way? 2009-02-24 13:41:53 MrDys @more rsinger 2009-02-24 13:41:53 zoia MrDys: at the end of the day, we're an irc..." 2009-02-24 13:41:55 abarrera gsf: the one from Access 2009-02-24 13:41:56 rsinger @quote get 300 2009-02-24 13:41:57 zoia rsinger: Quote #300: " ead is like the worst application of technology ever thrown in the hands of amish monkeys" (added by dchud at 05:47 PM, May 12, 2006) 2009-02-24 13:41:57 mbklein rsinger: That seems wrong. 2009-02-24 13:42:04 timmcgeary there are lots of grants out there that require EAD 2009-02-24 13:42:16 rosy1280 because the archivist wants you too 2009-02-24 13:42:16 rsinger akorphan: no 2009-02-24 13:42:35 rosy1280 and they won't stop pushing 2009-02-24 13:42:43 BigD mbklein: here's the front: http://www.flickr.com/photos/bigdpix/2931456655/in/set-72157607933737792/ 2009-02-24 13:42:51 rsinger akorphan: there are

tags and data elements all intermingled 2009-02-24 13:42:55 mbklein mbklein has the post-lunch sleepies. 2009-02-24 13:42:57 gsf abarrera: i don't remember. Access is a blur 2009-02-24 13:43:02 MrDys wheedlie wheedlie wheeee 2009-02-24 13:43:04 mbklein Crickets 2009-02-24 13:43:07 rsinger i am so freaking thirsty 2009-02-24 13:43:17 gsf rsinger: no water allowed 2009-02-24 13:43:17 rosy1280 rsinger water in back of room 2009-02-24 13:43:19 rsinger ...enter my nemesis 2009-02-24 13:43:20 mjg_ rsinger: there's water in the back 2009-02-24 13:43:20 BillDueber rsinger: I'm gonna go get a coke. Want one? 2009-02-24 13:43:23 akorphan rsinger: Right, but is it known a priori which types of tags represent markup and which types represent data enclosures? 2009-02-24 13:43:24 mjg_ rosy1280++ 2009-02-24 13:43:36 mbklein BillDueber: I'll take one. 2009-02-24 13:43:37 mbklein :) 2009-02-24 13:43:37 fak3r stage_rush++ 2009-02-24 13:43:37 fak3r git diff file1 file2 2009-02-24 13:43:37 mjg_ rsinger: GUARD YOUR THROAT 2009-02-24 13:43:46 rosy1280 more accents! 2009-02-24 13:43:46 mbklein godmar++ 2009-02-24 13:43:50 BillDueber mbklein: where are you? 2009-02-24 13:43:57 rsinger akorphan: sure, but the dom gets insane to walk/parse 2009-02-24 13:44:04 mbklein BillDueber: Table near the mic. Across from ejlynema 2009-02-24 13:44:05 jbrinley This has been a surprisingly punctual conference so far (not counting pre-conf) 2009-02-24 13:44:11 lbjay oh, that's godmar 2009-02-24 13:44:18 anarchivist anarchivist coughs 2009-02-24 13:44:21 zoia zoia sneezes 2009-02-24 13:44:29 rsinger akorphan: because you can't just render the 'text', you have to make sure there's not more in there 2009-02-24 13:44:32 wtd libx++ 2009-02-24 13:44:39 anarchivist mjg_: smartass 2009-02-24 13:44:44 mbklein Godmar has to have the best Bond Villain name of anyone at the conference. 2009-02-24 13:44:44 mjg_ anarchivist++ # for sharing tales of epic fail 2009-02-24 13:44:53 rsinger "No, Mr. Singer, I expect you to die!" 2009-02-24 13:44:54 fak3r the page has a DUI? 2009-02-24 13:44:56 mbklein akorphan: You might be a close second. :) 2009-02-24 13:45:01 rosy1280 want libx to not be browser dependent 2009-02-24 13:45:23 dansuchy libx is great because anyone can pick it up. 2009-02-24 13:45:28 mjg_ did I just hear someone whisper "Wag the Dog, MOFO!" 2009-02-24 13:45:29 rsinger rosy1280: IE and FFX isn't enough? 2009-02-24 13:45:36 akorphan hmm, maybe one could mark out the elements that are purely markup, replace the brackets with some distinctive set of characters; run an XML diff on the hierarchical parts, and run an inline diff on the text contents of the hierarchical tags (with the markup tags marked out) 2009-02-24 13:45:39 BigD did zotero ever get extended to store it's data in a central server? 2009-02-24 13:45:40 Kerwick fak3r, no conviction though 2009-02-24 13:45:47 rosy1280 rsinger i want it in the cloud 2009-02-24 13:45:52 rsinger mjg_: i have buried this hatchet 2009-02-24 13:45:56 mbklein BigD: In trunk, but not in release 2009-02-24 13:46:03 MrDys godmar has the voice of at least 50 ruby screencasts I've watched 2009-02-24 13:46:04 rsinger rosy1280: ... ARE YOU TRYING TO RILE ME UP?! 2009-02-24 13:46:09 dbs BigD: 1.5 beta (with multi-machine sync) is out 2009-02-24 13:46:18 BigD thanks! 2009-02-24 13:46:19 rosy1280 rosy1280 cloud computing fellow 2009-02-24 13:46:33 gsf dbs: can't believe you're following this 2009-02-24 13:46:48 gsf dbs: i'm getting a headache, and i have some context 2009-02-24 13:47:05 dbs gsf: bah, I was on a conference call about "knowledge mobilization" for the entire morning 2009-02-24 13:47:17 abarrera dbs: why aren't you here? forget your passport again? 2009-02-24 13:47:21 anarchivist anarchivist knows the world loves a sensible man who admits failure 2009-02-24 13:47:22 BigD knowledge wants to be mobile! 2009-02-24 13:47:25 mbklein ordering_lemonade_via_irc++ 2009-02-24 13:47:28 mbklein BillDueber++ 2009-02-24 13:47:37 timmcgeary anarchivist++ 2009-02-24 13:47:38 scolford when godmar says "toolbar" i keep thinking "tuber" 2009-02-24 13:47:38 dbs gsf: and the main report on "knowledge mobilization" was published at a URL to which Google knows of no links. FAIL FAIL FAILITY FAIL 2009-02-24 13:47:39 abarrera BigD: shame you are weighing it down 2009-02-24 13:47:51 jbrinley anarchivist: we're working on your pyre now 2009-02-24 13:47:51 rsinger rosy1280: the beginning of the nemetization started with my cloud-style app vs. LibX 2009-02-24 13:47:54 dbs abarrera: 2 month old baby. murderous wife. 2009-02-24 13:47:57 gsf dbs: ha of course 2009-02-24 13:48:03 BillDueber scolford: sweet potatoes++ 2009-02-24 13:48:12 abarrera dbs++ # been there 2009-02-24 13:48:12 anarchivist french_fried_taters++ 2009-02-24 13:48:15 fak3r new_edition++ 2009-02-24 13:48:15 fak3r fak3r ready for more talk about rest 2009-02-24 13:48:22 BillDueber dbs: I left my 2.5 and 0.5 year olds at home with a slightly less-murderous wife 2009-02-24 13:48:23 jfereira users_with_magic_wands++ 2009-02-24 13:48:38 highermath its not a tuber, just a keadache 2009-02-24 13:48:39 rsinger librarians_with_magic_wands+- 2009-02-24 13:48:47 timmcgeary i left my 2.5 and 0.33 year olds at home... 2009-02-24 13:49:01 anarchivist anarchivist wants a stiff drink now 2009-02-24 13:49:02 timmcgeary highermath++ 2009-02-24 13:49:08 zoia New news from planetcode4lib: del.icio.us: monotone: distributed version control || del.icio.us: Canonical XML - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia || del.icio.us: Mibbit || del.icio.us: Flickr: "c4l09" || del.icio.us: anarchivist's xml and diff Bookmarks on Delicious || del.icio.us: libxml 2009-02-24 13:49:16 dbs Next year, in @hosts2010, I shall have no excuses 2009-02-24 13:49:17 mjg_ anarchivist: +1 2009-02-24 13:49:24 kgs where's my magic wand?! 2009-02-24 13:49:29 anarchivist @bartender 2009-02-24 13:49:31 jbrinley jbrinley hands anarchivist a popsicle 2009-02-24 13:49:31 zoia zoia fills a pint glass with Saison Dupont, and sends it sliding down the bar to anarchivist (http://beeradvocate.com/beer/profile/637/1717/) 2009-02-24 13:49:36 anarchivist anarchivist wants a pony 2009-02-24 13:49:38 BigD my 13 yr old insisted i leave 2009-02-24 13:49:38 MrDys edsu: see what happens when you quote someone in your presentation: http://twitter.com/tommorris/statuses/1245906526 2009-02-24 13:49:41 rosy1280 rsinger cloud style apps are way better because then people use it 2009-02-24 13:49:42 mbklein mbklein 's 6 and 3 year olds *promised* to behave while I was gone. So I'm sure there are no problems. 2009-02-24 13:49:44 MrDys what unholy wrath you have brought 2009-02-24 13:49:47 anarchivist anarchivist was hoping to show a magic django pony 2009-02-24 13:49:57 mjg_ jbrinley++ # clever. 2009-02-24 13:49:58 rosy1280 libx-- 2009-02-24 13:50:04 rosy1280 rosy1280 about to get shot 2009-02-24 13:50:09 timmcgeary timmcgeary wonders what he can take back to my 2.5 year old girl from Providence 2009-02-24 13:50:12 JodiS rosy1280: you're researching cloud-computing, right? 2009-02-24 13:50:13 rsinger rosy1280: no argument 2009-02-24 13:50:35 rosy1280 JodiS that i am...officially now 2009-02-24 13:50:39 JodiS :) 2009-02-24 13:50:45 BigD anarchivist: http://www.declan.net/2005/07/22/no-pony/ 2009-02-24 13:50:51 rosy1280 rosy1280 NITLE Tech Fellow 2009-02-24 13:50:53 JodiS rosy1280: met you at necode4lib. sorry that you left before I could say hello 2009-02-24 13:50:56 gsf godmar_humor++ 2009-02-24 13:50:56 JodiS NITLE++ 2009-02-24 13:50:58 mjg_ is 2009 the year of atompub like, uh, every other year was the year of solr? 2009-02-24 13:51:07 kgs rosy1280 agree w/u 2009-02-24 13:51:07 abarrera timmcgeary: whatever you find let me know for my 2.7 yr old girl 2009-02-24 13:51:08 fak3r new_edition++ 2009-02-24 13:51:08 fak3r fak3r ready for more talk about rest 2009-02-24 13:51:08 fak3r damn, I need to get a magic wand to use at work...that'll really hlpe 2009-02-24 13:51:08 fak3r s/hipe/help/ 2009-02-24 13:51:09 JodiS 2009=atompub + linkeddata 2009-02-24 13:51:11 gsf mjg_: there was a year of lucene, way back 2009-02-24 13:51:28 kgs adoption, marketing, maintenance... 2009-02-24 13:51:29 dchud edsu, gsf: i'm finally working on that json import/export for marc again. i'd like to touch base with one/both of you on what it would need to do before you'd merge it w/trunk 2009-02-24 13:51:31 rsinger libraries: we get it! (eventually) 2009-02-24 13:51:31 rosy1280 JodiS had to go to a meeting...loved necode4lib 2009-02-24 13:51:34 ecorrado atompub < brewpub 2009-02-24 13:51:37 dchud edsu, gsf: i mean for pymarc 2009-02-24 13:51:38 mjg_ back when royt was in short-thongs 2009-02-24 13:51:43 scolford c4l10 -- no tee shirts, magic wands 2009-02-24 13:51:43 timmcgeary abarerra: will do 2009-02-24 13:51:50 JodiS rosy1280: that's ok, I'll find you here sometime :) 2009-02-24 13:51:52 mbklein anarchivist: http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2052/2842638666_b24158c6f6.jpg 2009-02-24 13:51:59 timmcgeary abarerra: I think I'll need to wander the mall 2009-02-24 13:52:00 gsf dchud: great, i'd like to see it 2009-02-24 13:52:08 fak3r new_edition++ 2009-02-24 13:52:08 fak3r fak3r ready for more talk about rest 2009-02-24 13:52:08 fak3r damn, I need to get a magic wand to use at work...that'll really hlpe 2009-02-24 13:52:08 fak3r s/hipe/help/ 2009-02-24 13:52:14 rosy1280 tuple! 2009-02-24 13:52:17 BillDueber dchud: What are you using for marc-in-json? I made one up a while back, but if there's weight behind a json format for marc, I'd rather use it 2009-02-24 13:52:21 dchud gsf: don't get your hopes up, it will start brain-dead simple. 2009-02-24 13:52:25 abarrera timmcgeary: jstroop said nothing there 2009-02-24 13:52:26 gsf dchud: so it's a jsonmarc? 2009-02-24 13:52:27 kgs tuple-o honey? 2009-02-24 13:52:28 anarchivist anarchivist goes to lick his wounds in the corner 2009-02-24 13:52:35 dchud BillDueber: the dumbest, simplest thing that might possibly work! 2009-02-24 13:52:36 scolford tuber tuple 2009-02-24 13:52:40 bess anarchivist++ # you were awesome 2009-02-24 13:52:41 gsf dchud: simple is hard, sometimes 2009-02-24 13:52:46 jfereira Shouldn't that be spelled Djangle 2009-02-24 13:52:48 timmcgeary abarrera: well that stinks 2009-02-24 13:52:51 BillDueber dchud: Well, then that's probably what I did :-) 2009-02-24 13:52:54 rsinger why is jsonmarc a good idea? 2009-02-24 13:52:58 mjg_ dchud++ # for dumb and simple, the only way I roll 2009-02-24 13:53:00 dchud gsf: agreed. hopefully i can at least get it started and then we can improve it 2009-02-24 13:53:03 rosy1280 rosy1280 remembers arguments in db class about how to pronounce tuple 2009-02-24 13:53:05 anarchivist use your django jangle dongle to stick a tuple in drupal 2009-02-24 13:53:18 dbs @quote add BillDueber: the dumbest, simplest thing that might possibly work! 2009-02-24 13:53:18 LibraryThingT ... 2009-02-24 13:53:18 zoia dbs: The operation succeeded. Quote #1727 added. 2009-02-24 13:53:19 lbjay rsinger: burn! 2009-02-24 13:53:20 scolford anarchivist++ 2009-02-24 13:53:25 mjg_ anarchivist++ 2009-02-24 13:53:27 rjw faster than a speeding Jangle 2009-02-24 13:53:28 dbs poor BillDueber 2009-02-24 13:53:33 dchud rsinger: easier than rdfmarc. easy to use with couchdb. easy to pass around ajaxy. theoretically manageable in a VCS with canonical pretty-printing. something to hack on. 2009-02-24 13:53:39 mbklein @quote add use your django jangle dongle to stick a tuple in drupal 2009-02-24 13:53:40 zoia mbklein: Error: You must be registered to use this command. If you are already registered, you must either identify (using the identify command) or add a hostmask matching your current hostmask (using the "hostmask add" command). 2009-02-24 13:53:54 mbklein @quote add use your django jangle dongle to stick a tuple in drupal 2009-02-24 13:53:54 zoia mbklein: The operation succeeded. Quote #1728 added. 2009-02-24 13:54:05 dchud s/rdfmarc/marcxml/ 2009-02-24 13:54:06 rosy1280 rsinger does your cloudy libx like app still exist somewhere? 2009-02-24 13:54:20 mjg_ inability_to_do_live_demos-- 2009-02-24 13:54:25 mbklein @lolz [knows mbklein anarchivist] 2009-02-24 13:54:26 BillDueber dchud: Have you seen http://code.google.com/p/marc-json/ 2009-02-24 13:54:28 JodiS dchud: #c4l09 hashtag useful, for aggregating the twitter conversation 2009-02-24 13:54:38 zoia mbklein: An error has occurred and has been logged. Please contact this bot's administrator for more information. 2009-02-24 13:54:40 abarrera mjgiarlo: cause nothing you do actually works 2009-02-24 13:54:42 rsinger dchud: but do people parse marcxml with xml tools? 2009-02-24 13:54:45 dchud BillDueber: no i haven't 2009-02-24 13:54:45 gsf aah, the librarian is talking to me 2009-02-24 13:54:54 JodiS video modules in LibX! Cool! 2009-02-24 13:54:57 BigD why is that lady looking down on me? 2009-02-24 13:54:58 BillDueber gsf: NO! She's talking to ME!!!! 2009-02-24 13:55:00 MrDys this is some star trek shit 2009-02-24 13:55:00 dchud rsinger: uh, yeah? i guess? 2009-02-24 13:55:02 taco ssssh 2009-02-24 13:55:05 JodiS Though I wonder if I'd like it the second time, or if I really needed some info... 2009-02-24 13:55:07 timmcgeary awwww 2009-02-24 13:55:10 ejk cieling cat is watching you search 2009-02-24 13:55:11 BigD her eyes are following me 2009-02-24 13:55:11 abarrera whoa she knows we are hear 2009-02-24 13:55:15 paulalbert I'm a Libra and looking for a friend. nothing serious.... 2009-02-24 13:55:16 abarrera s/hear/here 2009-02-24 13:55:19 gsf @quote add < MrDys> this is some star trek shit 2009-02-24 13:55:20 lbjay lbjay looks for ceiling cat 2009-02-24 13:55:20 zoia gsf: The operation succeeded. Quote #1729 added. 2009-02-24 13:55:22 kgs book burro? 2009-02-24 13:55:24 dchud i believe that's his wife, right? 2009-02-24 13:55:26 BillDueber credits++ 2009-02-24 13:55:27 anarchivist @lolz [pirate [quote random]] 2009-02-24 13:55:31 mbklein Our patrons would automatically assume that the librarian was watching what they were doing on the computer, and complain to the mayor. 2009-02-24 13:55:39 zoia anarchivist: An error has occurred and has been logged. Please contact this bot's administrator for more information. 2009-02-24 13:55:42 timmcgeary timmcgeary got warm fuzzies 2009-02-24 13:55:43 akorphan Big Librarian is watching you. 2009-02-24 13:55:44 rsinger rosy1280: http://www.library.gatech.edu/search/web_localizer.php 2009-02-24 13:55:49 mbklein anarchivist: I think lolz is buster 2009-02-24 13:55:54 mbklein a/buster/busted/ 2009-02-24 13:55:54 rsinger dchud: who does that? 2009-02-24 13:56:01 BigD i'd SO rickroll everyone 2009-02-24 13:56:13 anarchivist @pirate [aussie [pirate [aussie]]] 2009-02-24 13:56:13 bess BigD++ 2009-02-24 13:56:15 zoia anarchivist: SHRIMP ON th' BARBIE, MATES! 2009-02-24 13:56:17 akorphan jQuery++ 2009-02-24 13:56:19 mjg_ BigD: lightning talk. do it. 2009-02-24 13:56:24 JodiS mbklein: good point 2009-02-24 13:56:29 dchud rsinger: parsing marcxml with xml tools? lots of people? i don't understand your line of questioning. CHARGE ME OR CALL MY LAWYER 2009-02-24 13:56:30 mbklein I'd install the LibX RickRoll edition. 2009-02-24 13:56:38 dchud i mean OR LET ME GO 2009-02-24 13:56:41 dchud or something 2009-02-24 13:56:50 JodiS JodiS waits for some code4libber to create the RickRoll edition :) 2009-02-24 13:56:56 JodiS dchud++ 2009-02-24 13:56:58 rsinger dchud: seriously, who does anything serious with marcxml using only xpath? 2009-02-24 13:57:01 rsinger or DOM? 2009-02-24 13:57:01 gsf rsinger: is marcjson worse than marcxml? 2009-02-24 13:57:05 scolford @lolz 2009-02-24 13:57:06 ecorrado ecorrado ready for a nap 2009-02-24 13:57:10 rosy1280 rsinger++ 2009-02-24 13:57:14 anarchivist rsinger: i used to 2009-02-24 13:57:17 zoia scolford: An error has occurred and has been logged. Please contact this bot's administrator for more information. 2009-02-24 13:57:19 rsinger gsf: yes, because no marc libraries would know what to do with it 2009-02-24 13:57:23 BigD when's lunch? 2009-02-24 13:57:36 mbklein BigD: You're gonna be really really sad... 2009-02-24 13:57:59 BigD no pony? 2009-02-24 13:58:11 Kerwick Nope, no pony 2009-02-24 13:58:17 mbklein BigD: What's worse? "No, you can't have a pony" or "You missed lunch"? 2009-02-24 13:58:18 gsf rsinger: the pymarc library, for one, could deal with marcjson with less overhead 2009-02-24 13:58:23 BillDueber ++ 2009-02-24 13:58:30 MrDys jrochkind100: are you going to ask godmar if there's a non-javascript for-the-blindies edition of LibX? 2009-02-24 13:58:36 rsinger gsf: if some standard definition of marcjson exists 2009-02-24 13:58:38 BigD mbklein: i eat ponies! dammit 2009-02-24 13:58:45 mbklein BigD++ 2009-02-24 13:58:48 mbklein Well played 2009-02-24 13:58:49 anarchivist rsinger: which it doesnt 2009-02-24 13:58:49 gsf rsinger: that could be useful 2009-02-24 13:58:58 rsinger anarchivist: exactly 2009-02-24 13:59:07 akorphan if the javascript happens on document.ready does it still cause problems for screen readers? 2009-02-24 13:59:08 rsinger and getting there would be painful 2009-02-24 13:59:17 mbklein MARC is hard. Let's go shopping! 2009-02-24 13:59:23 anarchivist mbklein++ 2009-02-24 13:59:38 BillDueber mbklein++, barbie-- 2009-02-24 13:59:38 gsf i hear there's a radioshack nearby 2009-02-24 13:59:41 highermath_c4 shopping++ 2009-02-24 13:59:41 rsinger i wish they taught shopping at school 2009-02-24 13:59:42 anarchivist @quote < mbklein> MARC is hard. Let's go shopping! 2009-02-24 13:59:43 zoia anarchivist: i wrote a hash script that did that once 2009-02-24 13:59:52 jtgorman eh? 2009-02-24 13:59:55 anarchivist @quote add < mbklein> MARC is hard. Let's go shopping! 2009-02-24 13:59:56 zoia anarchivist: The operation succeeded. Quote #1730 added. 2009-02-24 13:59:57 jtgorman wha... 2009-02-24 14:00:01 akorphan gsf: there's a radio suck in the mall 2009-02-24 14:00:03 MrDys impressive. 2009-02-24 14:00:04 highermath_c4 shopping4gloves++++ 2009-02-24 14:00:09 akorphan aand another one next to Whole Foods 2009-02-24 14:00:19 gsf akorphan: with radio-controlled cars? 2009-02-24 14:00:34 highermath_c4 Is WF near here? 2009-02-24 14:00:36 akorphan gsf: I didn't notice any. I actually happened to go to both last night. 2009-02-24 14:00:38 jrochkind100 I like how he leaves out the role of those who actually develop the LibX plug-in itself. 2009-02-24 14:00:38 BillDueber gsf: I like where you're going with that... 2009-02-24 14:00:42 jtgorman ummm 2009-02-24 14:00:44 jfereira does RS sell lazer pointers? 2009-02-24 14:00:49 jtgorman stupid question... 2009-02-24 14:00:50 lbjay DevAppCommDucken 2009-02-24 14:01:02 rosy1280 isn't there a bestbuy in providence place mall? 2009-02-24 14:01:08 mbklein And that box that will keep the government from turning off my wife's grandmother's TV? 2009-02-24 14:01:11 akorphan highermath: behind the train station, turn left at the end of the road, bear right at the fork, go 1/4 mile. 2009-02-24 14:01:18 rsinger who funds libx? 2009-02-24 14:01:21 akorphan it's YOOOGE 2009-02-24 14:01:21 jtgorman at any point has there been data loss with the free LibraryThing accounts? 2009-02-24 14:01:22 mbklein (which is her interpretation of the Digital TV transition...) 2009-02-24 14:01:26 dchud i kinda like the idea of using pymarc to load in many different serialization types for marc and efficiently stuff them into couchdb to see how useful marc-in-couchdb is 2009-02-24 14:01:30 paulalbert jferiera: I actually have a laser pointer on my person --your Cornell colleague (NYC) 2009-02-24 14:01:33 rsinger too soon 2009-02-24 14:01:34 jtgorman or, say, do they get deleted after a certain amount of activity? 2009-02-24 14:01:35 gsf edition builder is some heavy javascript 2009-02-24 14:01:42 highermath_c highermath_c could use a 500w laser pointer about now 2009-02-24 14:01:50 dchud rsinger: what's too soon? 2009-02-24 14:01:56 MrDys no "releases"? 2009-02-24 14:01:58 jtgorman or am I just somehow misremembering my user name? 2009-02-24 14:02:11 jrochkind100 MrDys: It all runs on their server only. So it's always trunk. You can't install the LibX edition builder yourself. 2009-02-24 14:02:21 jrochkind100 MrDys: Well, maybe you CAN, it might theoretically be open source, but they don't want you to. 2009-02-24 14:02:23 rsinger dchud: i asked who was paying for libx right before he mentioned the grant 2009-02-24 14:02:26 MrDys jrochkind100: ah ha 2009-02-24 14:02:27 LibraryThingT "data loss with the free LibraryThing accounts" — Back in 2006 we lost a few days data—gave out free accounts... 2009-02-24 14:02:35 dchud rsinger: oh 2009-02-24 14:02:41 LibraryThingT the latter, I'm sure. PM me. 2009-02-24 14:02:57 edsu that's a lot of people 2009-02-24 14:03:02 dchud speaking of builders, i think i saw Geoffrey Bilder here 2009-02-24 14:03:09 mbklein emorgan++ # volume is everything 2009-02-24 14:03:12 timmcgeary what is Eric planning to do with that napkin? 2009-02-24 14:03:27 jrochkind100 To as much degree as you want. Take it, Amazon! 2009-02-24 14:03:30 gsf timmcgeary: lead the dance 2009-02-24 14:03:31 Kerwick white flag? 2009-02-24 14:03:36 dchud timmcgeary: he has this whole Satchmo shtick that's *hilarious* 2009-02-24 14:03:47 mjg_ teutonic_humor++ 2009-02-24 14:03:48 abarrera timmcgeary: throw it like a shoe at Godmar? 2009-02-24 14:03:48 rsinger dchud: anyway, i have no problem with that application of pymarc -- but how are you going to get agreement on the marcjson structure? 2009-02-24 14:03:58 mbklein Or, on the flipside, "Don't borrow that book from the library! Buy it from Amazon.com!" 2009-02-24 14:03:58 dbs MrDys: jrochkind100: I used to build LibX myself, so I could send i18n patches, until I got tired of having patches refused. which was only a couple of months. low patience on my end. 2009-02-24 14:04:03 BigD dchud++ 2009-02-24 14:04:10 akorphan sweet, iBahn borks google maps. 2009-02-24 14:04:10 akorphan A little. 2009-02-24 14:04:10 jbrinley rsinger: dchud will speak, and it will be so 2009-02-24 14:04:12 mbklein The LibX Amazon edition, complete with my referral code built in. 2009-02-24 14:04:12 rsinger dchud: will you be able to validate the marc? 2009-02-24 14:04:13 BillDueber rsinger: Build it. If people bitch, change it. 2009-02-24 14:04:22 dchud rsinger: agreement? who needs agreement? i'll write it one way, and we can improve it from there. 2009-02-24 14:04:27 rsinger hrm 2009-02-24 14:04:30 jrochkind100 dbs: Yeah, that's my feeling. He doesn't want anyone else to touch the actual LibX core code. But _instead_, he's given LibX a plug-in format, so anyone else can write plugins. 2009-02-24 14:04:32 BillDueber rsinger: You have marc that validates????? 2009-02-24 14:04:33 dchud rsinger: working code wins 2009-02-24 14:04:35 MrDys dbs: so, did you abandon it? 2009-02-24 14:04:38 miker_ rsinger: by punching you in the throat, va robcaSSon 2009-02-24 14:04:39 jtgorman jtgorman will hunt for a book he's pretty sure he's reviewed 2009-02-24 14:04:40 jrochkind100 dbs: Ie, "modules" and "libapps". Which may be enough. 2009-02-24 14:04:47 TerenceIngram @help 2009-02-24 14:04:48 zoia TerenceIngram: (help [] []) -- This command gives a useful description of what does. is only necessary if the command is in more than one plugin. 2009-02-24 14:04:52 anarchivist @google calc 1 USD to VND 2009-02-24 14:04:54 zoia anarchivist: 1 U.S. dollar = 17 543.8596 Vietnamese dong 2009-02-24 14:04:54 timmcgeary emorgan++ 2009-02-24 14:04:55 mbklein dchud++ # Consensus through code, not specs 2009-02-24 14:04:56 LibraryThingT Amazon referral code: Would violate their Associates agreement... 2009-02-24 14:05:00 dbs jrochkind100: not enough to add i18n though, unless things have changed massively 2009-02-24 14:05:09 jtgorman LibraryThingTim: I sent you a privmsg, don't know if you got it 2009-02-24 14:05:16 LibraryThingT Oh, I see it. Sorry. 2009-02-24 14:05:18 jtgorman LibraryThingTim: I'm going to see if I can find one of my reviews 2009-02-24 14:05:19 gsf dchud: the only record of marcjson i can find in the wild is BillDueber's perl 2009-02-24 14:05:22 jrochkind100 When I talked to Godmar yesterday, I kept suggesting things LibX could do, and he kept trying to convince me why I woudln't want to do that. :) 2009-02-24 14:05:27 mbklein I sent you a privmsg, but I eated i 2009-02-24 14:05:29 mbklein t 2009-02-24 14:05:34 harmless i wonder if any worms have abused referral programs successfully on a large scale 2009-02-24 14:05:44 BillDueber dchud: And javascript. There's javascript for reading,t oo. 2009-02-24 14:05:45 mbklein jrochkind100: Did he win? 2009-02-24 14:05:45 dbs MrDys: yep. built an English-only LibX toolbar for the university using the edition builder. I suck. 2009-02-24 14:05:47 harmless and i wonder if amazon would admit it if that happened 2009-02-24 14:05:48 robcaSSon robcaSSon raffles off a throat-punching 2009-02-24 14:05:54 jrochkind100 dbs: It would be enought o add i18n to everything BUT the actual toolbar and libx preference panes. Which may not be enough. 2009-02-24 14:05:55 BigD did you suggest crazy stuuf? like having it show video? 2009-02-24 14:05:55 mjg_ anarchivist++ # that never gets old for those us who are developmentally fixed at the 6th grade 2009-02-24 14:06:04 MrDys dbs: isn't that illegal...(or just mean to the francos)? 2009-02-24 14:06:06 jrochkind100 dbs: But yes,I'm a bit frustrated with 'open source but you can't touch it unless you want to fork' too. 2009-02-24 14:06:08 dbs jrochkind100: right, not enough 2009-02-24 14:06:26 rsinger dchud: so this will somehow get into marc4j? 2009-02-24 14:06:32 dbs MrDys: you'll note that LibX is pointed to by no LU web page. 2009-02-24 14:06:54 jrochkind100 dbs: Maybe we should fork it after he has 2.x done. Not that any of us want to spend the time on that. I guess he spends the time maintaining it he gets to make it closed open source. shrug. 2009-02-24 14:07:02 mbklein ksclarke++ 2009-02-24 14:07:04 dchud rsinger: i dunno. i just want to use it in pymarc. you're asking good questions but i'm not going to try to answer them before i get this working :) 2009-02-24 14:07:04 BigD did they fail too? 2009-02-24 14:07:05 mbklein djummies++ 2009-02-24 14:07:09 abarrera ksclarke++ # dummy 2009-02-24 14:07:15 dbs BillDueber: now that I've seen your marcjson thing, I'm considering adding a JSON serialization for File_MARC. Although I should get 1.0 out first I guess. 2009-02-24 14:07:26 MrDys should have been "road to Djbuti" 2009-02-24 14:07:28 escowles my eyes! 2009-02-24 14:07:31 rsinger dchud: i mean, the only point of marc is an interchange format, right? 2009-02-24 14:07:39 mjg_ ksclarke's a joker, he's a smoker, he's a midnight djatoker 2009-02-24 14:07:40 anarchivist dbs: can you tell me why people are still using phpmarc? 2009-02-24 14:07:41 ecorrado bright_yellow-- 2009-02-24 14:07:46 anarchivist dbs: probably not 2009-02-24 14:07:52 abarrera mjgiarlo++ 2009-02-24 14:07:53 mbklein mbklein wants some djummi bears 2009-02-24 14:07:54 mib_xxmepy6r it speaks into the mic or it gets the hose again 2009-02-24 14:07:56 wtd LU? 2009-02-24 14:07:58 anarchivist yellow = the color of envy 2009-02-24 14:07:59 dbs anarchivist: probably because File_MARC is 0.2.3beta and scary 2009-02-24 14:08:01 BillDueber dbs, dchud: You can pull what *I* think is marc-json out of my api, e.g., http://mirlyn.lib.umich.edu/cgi-bin/api_josh/marc.json/id/22 2009-02-24 14:08:03 andyashton Djummiville sounds creepy 2009-02-24 14:08:05 dbs wtd: laurentian 2009-02-24 14:08:14 anarchivist err 2009-02-24 14:08:14 anarchivist no, thats green 2009-02-24 14:08:14 anarchivist the naragansett is talking again, sorry 2009-02-24 14:08:24 mbklein That's a lot of yellow right there. 2009-02-24 14:08:24 chickmarkley i toka. djatoka? 2009-02-24 14:08:26 BillDueber I feel like I'm buying generic toilet paper. 2009-02-24 14:08:29 jrochkind100 dbs: I wonder, if you convinced Godmar that you were really serious about forking it, if he'd start paying attention to your patches. You just need to bluff him. 2009-02-24 14:08:30 abarrera BigD wants a djoughnut 2009-02-24 14:08:32 liza_ It's like I have a tan 2009-02-24 14:08:48 timmcgeary my eyes are burning 2009-02-24 14:08:49 mjg_ I feel like I caught teh jaundice. 2009-02-24 14:08:49 mjg_ sorry, djaundice 2009-02-24 14:08:54 anarchivist dbs: yeah, still does it better 2009-02-24 14:08:58 jrochkind100 openurl-- 2009-02-24 14:09:01 anarchivist h8 phpmarc 2009-02-24 14:09:01 BillDueber timmcgeary: From the yellow? Or the mention of OpenURL? 2009-02-24 14:09:03 dbs jrochkind100: I just don't care anymore. We actually had the IE LibX installed on our learning commons computers but it broke our registrar system 2009-02-24 14:09:03 timmcgeary mgj_++ 2009-02-24 14:09:06 anarchivist h8 php 2009-02-24 14:09:10 timmcgeary from the yellow 2009-02-24 14:09:14 akorphan djatoka doesn't seem to have a Wikipedia page. Or maybe Is doin it rong 2009-02-24 14:09:18 jrochkind100 lbdjay 2009-02-24 14:09:21 rsinger oof. using openurl 2009-02-24 14:09:26 robcaSSon delicious_sacrilege_part_deux++ 2009-02-24 14:09:36 MrDys where does this stupid name come from? 2009-02-24 14:09:46 mjg_ anarchivist: have you added djatoka support to djabberdjaw? 2009-02-24 14:09:46 jrochkind100 rsinger: I bet you can guess who one of the main developers of djakota is. Who ELSE would ever choose to use openurl? 2009-02-24 14:09:49 timmcgeary i don't mind the openURL too much 2009-02-24 14:09:56 dchud BillDueber: i'll take a look at your json stuff, thanks for the pointer! 2009-02-24 14:09:59 rsinger g.d. herverts 2009-02-24 14:10:11 rsinger timmcgeary: then you aren't working with it, obv. 2009-02-24 14:10:12 jrochkind100 von de sompel 2009-02-24 14:10:13 mjg_ rsinger++ 2009-02-24 14:10:24 mjg_ "herverts"++ 2009-02-24 14:10:33 abarrera MrDys: from guys smoking too much maridjuana 2009-02-24 14:10:36 anarchivist mjg_: coming soon 2009-02-24 14:10:37 asnagy BillDueber: cool - will you be porting this to vufind ;) 2009-02-24 14:10:46 harmless anarchivist: can you tell me why people are still using php? 2009-02-24 14:10:54 anarchivist mjg_: i've been kinda rethinking about rewriting djabberdjaw again 2009-02-24 14:11:05 anarchivist harmless: it's easy to implement 2009-02-24 14:11:16 BillDueber asnagy: Yup. Unless I can convince folks to just open up our solr port and let *that* be our API... 2009-02-24 14:11:20 MrDys I refuse to pronounce it as it seems to want to be pronounced. it's "dakota" in my brain 2009-02-24 14:11:20 anarchivist one of our UX designers literally has nightmares about nested PHP arrays 2009-02-24 14:11:24 dlovins http://www.dlib.org/dlib/september08/chute/09chute.html 2009-02-24 14:11:25 harmless lossy to lossy transcoding is... more lossy 2009-02-24 14:11:26 timmcgeary rsinger: not as much as you have, for sure 2009-02-24 14:11:31 JodiS What's an rft_id? 2009-02-24 14:11:34 mbklein BOOP! 2009-02-24 14:11:35 anarchivist someone hit the booper 2009-02-24 14:11:51 edsu referent id ? 2009-02-24 14:11:54 scolford anarchivist: and really easy to implement poorly 2009-02-24 14:11:58 rsinger what edsu said 2009-02-24 14:11:59 jrochkind100 JodiS: OpenURL for just an identifier. 2009-02-24 14:12:01 lbjay2k JodiS: referent id 2009-02-24 14:12:05 JodiS thanks guys 2009-02-24 14:12:10 anarchivist scolford: yeah :) 2009-02-24 14:12:16 jrochkind100 Again, can I say, I have learned to hate OpenURL, through great familiarity. 2009-02-24 14:12:26 LibraryThingT I find book covers oten work best in GIF/PNG. 2009-02-24 14:12:26 LibraryThingT Could djakota be used for a cover repository a la Amazon? 2009-02-24 14:12:26 LibraryThingT harmless: People still like getting things done. 2009-02-24 14:12:29 rosy1280 JodiS rft_id = a referent id part of OpenURL 1.0 2009-02-24 14:12:35 anarchivist as much as i hate php, i love drupal 2009-02-24 14:12:38 zoia Ŧåĸŏ 2009-02-24 14:12:41 lbjay2k argh, the lag-- 2009-02-24 14:12:46 wickr I'd guess it's overkill for book covers 2009-02-24 14:12:50 anarchivist http://d1syadvoyajtpr.cloudfront.net/f37f36b01b017789b4a23084e7e0b195_500.jpg 2009-02-24 14:12:51 wickr unless they're huge 2009-02-24 14:12:57 jbrinley jbrinley can't open gmail anymore 2009-02-24 14:12:59 timmcgeary I really can't look at the screen 2009-02-24 14:12:59 jrochkind100 They decided OpenURL is a good fit for this... because when all you've got is a hammer... 2009-02-24 14:13:08 timmcgeary i'm totally getting a migraine 2009-02-24 14:13:13 rsinger there's a point you hit where you see openurl go from 'useful' to 'unholy' 2009-02-24 14:13:16 scolford anarchivist: and i oughta know 2009-02-24 14:13:21 anarchivist this shit is so herverted 2009-02-24 14:13:33 highermath_c4 is there really a best buy in downtown providence 2009-02-24 14:13:39 BillDueber pictures_in_channel_slowing_everything_down-- 2009-02-24 14:13:42 liza_ cmYk 2009-02-24 14:13:49 mjg_ anarchivist: verging on herverse 2009-02-24 14:13:58 jrochkind100 rsinger: So have you finally joined me accross that boundry? 2009-02-24 14:13:58 mjg_ herverging? 2009-02-24 14:14:01 timmcgeary rsinger: I've heard that, but we haven't gotten that far into yet to not be useful 2009-02-24 14:14:09 mjg_ distributed herversion control? 2009-02-24 14:14:10 michaeldb i could be crazy, but i don't think you really have to touch openurl at all to use djatoka 2009-02-24 14:14:15 mib_xxmepy6r there is a radio shack in the mall 2009-02-24 14:14:19 mbklein BigD: You have a yellow filter I can borrow to gray this presentation out? 2009-02-24 14:14:25 jrochkind100 They are NOT extensible. LIE. 2009-02-24 14:14:25 LibraryThingT wickr: Have you seen what Amazon's image servers can do. I would be very surprised if it was as poswerful 2009-02-24 14:14:28 jbrinley possible to make mibbit not download pictures? 2009-02-24 14:14:31 khatar anarchivist, http://www.tinybox.net/content/anarchivist-failed-epically 2009-02-24 14:14:32 MrDys you people and your WEAK EYES 2009-02-24 14:14:33 michaeldb that's only if you want to have it store identifiers and stuff, but you can always pass in the url to your jpeg2000 instead 2009-02-24 14:14:37 rsinger jrochkind100: oh dude, i've been there 2009-02-24 14:14:41 cschx Things worth forking LibX for: 1) fine-grained control over what domains cues can run in; 2) A BETTER UI. 2009-02-24 14:14:41 anarchivist mjg_: opening repositories like trenchcoats since 1999 2009-02-24 14:14:43 edsu the http part is pretty :) 2009-02-24 14:14:53 MrDys you're practically begging for a technicolor dream presentation from me for tomorrow 2009-02-24 14:15:01 rsinger jrochkind100: it's just i don't know how to avoid it 2009-02-24 14:15:12 anarchivist MrDys: please do 2009-02-24 14:15:14 LibraryThingT Isn't black on yellow the absolute best thing for contrast—why they use it on street signs. 2009-02-24 14:15:18 akorphan mbklein: Just pretend it's a tonka toy. 2009-02-24 14:15:19 jrochkind100 Yeah. 2009-02-24 14:15:21 timmcgeary MrDys++ 2009-02-24 14:15:27 rsinger jrochkind100: also, the downside of ropenurl, is that i feel it should actually work to the spec 2009-02-24 14:15:28 highermath_c4 mib_xxmepy6r: went there - no luck 2009-02-24 14:15:30 timmcgeary MrDys: go for it 2009-02-24 14:15:36 jrochkind100 But I feel no guilt violating the standard where convenient. When a standard sucks and doesn't do what I need, I feel no compunction extending it on my own. 2009-02-24 14:15:36 dhanu black on yellow++ 2009-02-24 14:15:39 BillDueber Oops. Here comes "bad cop 2009-02-24 14:15:47 Kerwick ropenurl++ 2009-02-24 14:15:51 harmless Neat! "djatoka is a Java-based open source image server with an attractive basic feature set and extensibility under control of the community of implementers. Off-the-shelf, djatoka provides compression and region extraction of JPEG 2000 images, URI-addressability of regions, and support for a rich set of input/output image formats (e.g., BMP, GIF, JPG, PNG, PNM, TIF, JPEG 2000). djatoka also comes with a plug-in framew 2009-02-24 14:15:52 rsinger jrochkind100: instead of my idealized interpretation of the spec 2009-02-24 14:15:53 BillDueber I'm sorry. Cock-a-doo???? 2009-02-24 14:15:53 anarchivist @hussein kakadu 2009-02-24 14:15:54 khatar anarchivist, icanhaz ur opinion? 2009-02-24 14:15:54 zoia anarchivist: Aha! I used skunk 2009-02-24 14:15:59 jrochkind100 rsinger: are you actually touching ropenurl ever these days? 2009-02-24 14:16:02 mbklein LibraryThingTim: People aren't expected to stare at street signs for 20 minutes. For "look-and-look-away," the color scheme is great. 2009-02-24 14:16:05 rsinger jrochkind100: well, i feel like that's what DSLs are for 2009-02-24 14:16:20 rsinger jrochkind100: yeah, i pushed in a new version the other day 2009-02-24 14:16:23 akorphan highermath: http://maps.google.com/maps?abauth=4d3f69e5%3AdYgbQfYdD5PYpEc-r_FEl3ycZL8&output=html&hl=en&f=d&source=s_d&saddr=5+avenue+of+the+arts+providence+ri&daddr=601+N+Main+St%2C+Providence%2C+RI+02904+(Whole+Foods+Market)&btnG=Get+Directions 2009-02-24 14:16:25 rsinger jrochkind100: of trunk 2009-02-24 14:16:28 kgs LibraryThingTim street signs aren't ten feet high and you don't look at them for 20 min 2009-02-24 14:16:32 akorphan oops. 2009-02-24 14:16:32 anarchivist khatar: wouldn't have made a difference re: git vs. hg, the issue is the external diffing tools 2009-02-24 14:16:33 JodiS @quote search standard 2009-02-24 14:16:34 timmcgeary black on yellow -- 2009-02-24 14:16:36 ecorrado words_that_cannt_be_pronounced 2009-02-24 14:16:37 zoia JodiS: 18 found: #112: "what's really needed here is a balanced,...", #1305: " using non-library standards is cool....", #1319: " I kind of like thinking of code4lib...", #1501: " save me, semantic web full of...", #1587: " a standard should take one small...", #1592: " standards are my life.", #1593: " What's your favourite standard? ...", #1722: " if (2 more messages) 2009-02-24 14:16:38 dhanu well i guess white on black would also look good 2009-02-24 14:16:41 wickr lag-- 2009-02-24 14:16:43 jrochkind100 rsinger: I guess I shoudl really get umlaut to use your actual trunk version instead of the weird abandoned branch I've ended up with, huh? 2009-02-24 14:16:46 jtgorman jtgorman forgot his login to LibraryThing as usual 2009-02-24 14:16:49 jtgorman :) 2009-02-24 14:16:50 JodiS @quote get 1722 2009-02-24 14:16:51 kgs sorta like eating a meal made of many cups of capers 2009-02-24 14:16:51 zoia JodiS: Quote #1722: " if everyone has there own standard, there aren't any standards :)" (added by JodiS at 11:20 AM, February 24, 2009) 2009-02-24 14:17:00 LibraryThingT Ha. Very true. 2009-02-24 14:17:00 LibraryThingT But if there were any danger, we'd be set. 2009-02-24 14:17:03 rsinger jrochkind100: no no -- the deprecated trunk 2009-02-24 14:17:05 erikhatcher maridjuana++ 2009-02-24 14:17:07 anarchivist khatar: and you still run into the problems f representing change in hierarchies even if you use an arguably "simpler" data model like YAML 2009-02-24 14:17:09 rjw projectnames you can't say-- 2009-02-24 14:17:13 jrochkind100 rsinger: DSL doesn't handle putting data into the openurl that the openurl format doesn't want to let me put in there in a structured way. 2009-02-24 14:17:14 rsinger jrochkind100: the one that's really just SAP1/2 2009-02-24 14:17:19 anarchivist erikhatcher++ 2009-02-24 14:17:19 rosy1280 unless cheap is $5 i aint using it 2009-02-24 14:17:23 JodiS JodiS did that once 2009-02-24 14:17:30 rsinger jrochkind100: but it had some bugs even in that context 2009-02-24 14:17:33 dbs BillDueber: I probably wouldn't do the subfields as a hash of arrays; I would stick with an array of arrays, 'cause I love me my order 2009-02-24 14:17:39 jrochkind100 rsinger: No, I have a medium-attempt one, that's not really just SAP1/2, I don't think, but isn't what you ended up with either. 2009-02-24 14:17:49 JodiS zoia? 2009-02-24 14:18:03 anarchivist djatoka_maridjuana_yet?++ 2009-02-24 14:18:09 dbs err, array of hashes? 2009-02-24 14:18:10 rsinger jrochkind100: yeah, i 'fixed' what you get when you 'gem install openurl' 2009-02-24 14:18:10 zoia New news from planetcode4lib: del.icio.us: Information for LibX developers - LibX Developer's Page || del.icio.us: Georgia Tech Library :: GT Web Localizer || Chudnov, Dan: code4lib 2009 talk on caching and proxying linked data || Chudnov, Dan: Things Nobody Wants to Say, Part One : 2009-02-24 14:18:40 JodiS JodiS isn't interested in anything ;) 2009-02-24 14:18:41 khatar anarchivist, i think i missed something but i see what you meant 2009-02-24 14:18:42 highermath_c4 mib_xxmepy6r: i need to buy a thin usb dvd writer 2009-02-24 14:18:44 khatar thx 2009-02-24 14:18:45 BillDueber s/important/importance/ 2009-02-24 14:18:46 highermath_c4 mib_xxmepy6r: i need to buy a thin usb dvd writer 2009-02-24 14:18:46 akorphan akorphan plans to name all future products in Welsh. 2009-02-24 14:18:47 mbklein JodiS: I thought you had >0 interests 2009-02-24 14:19:09 BillDueber And hereeeeeere goes the network... 2009-02-24 14:19:11 mouwd anyone else having mibbit issues? it keeps kicking me out. 2009-02-24 14:19:20 JodiS mbklein: not on FOAF. many, many interests IRL 2009-02-24 14:19:28 mjg_ shoutout to BHL++ 2009-02-24 14:19:30 gsf mouwd: s/mibbit/network/ 2009-02-24 14:19:37 jbrinley mouwd: I get nothing for about 3 minutes, then a flood data, then nothing... 2009-02-24 14:19:47 anarchivist khatar: yes, fundamentally it's not really an issue of using DVCS at all 2009-02-24 14:19:51 timmcgeary it's the network 2009-02-24 14:19:55 jbrinley and no gmail 2009-02-24 14:19:57 akorphan The only web stuff that's running well for me is mibbit. 2009-02-24 14:19:58 ecorrado ecorrado is interested in sleep 2009-02-24 14:20:09 anarchivist khatar: i wanted to use an external diff tool to determine when things actually changed 2009-02-24 14:20:14 anarchivist khatar: beyond simple whitespace 2009-02-24 14:20:15 mbklein akorphan: Llanfairpwllgwyngyllgogerychwyrndrobwllllantysiliogogogoch v. 0.8? 2009-02-24 14:20:15 ecorrado post_lunch_droopiness-- 2009-02-24 14:20:24 rosy1280 network-- 2009-02-24 14:20:25 timmcgeary no_yellow++ 2009-02-24 14:20:26 messyp djatoka dis 2009-02-24 14:20:26 erikhatcher harmless: curious.... if not PHP, how do you build or recommend building web apps? 2009-02-24 14:20:28 MrDys mootools-- 2009-02-24 14:20:37 jbrinley the_network-- 2009-02-24 14:20:56 steambadger What's the problem? Grab the output of a side-by-side diff, pipe it to a perl regex, mark it up, run it through an XSLT stylesheet, then throw it back to a mason engine and slap it on the screen. Nice and slow, so nobody gets hurt. 2009-02-24 14:20:57 jrochkind100 rsinger: But you think I should try to switch to your new one? I can do that, since we have decent unit test coverage, I'll just make sure all my unit tests work against the new one. 2009-02-24 14:20:57 jrochkind100 rsinger: I didn't realize you were still developing it, I thought it was entirely abandoned. 2009-02-24 14:21:01 mbklein OMG they killed http://kenny! 2009-02-24 14:21:08 akorphan Clearly this conference is a test for the business managers at the Renaissance. 2009-02-24 14:21:10 asnagy erikhatcher: cobol is the answer 2009-02-24 14:21:26 mouwd network-- 2009-02-24 14:21:27 akorphan "once this thing kind of renders here...." 2009-02-24 14:21:36 mjg_ Someone told me that live demo-based presentations always work. I think his name was LIAR MCFIBBYPANTS 2009-02-24 14:21:36 rsinger jrochkind100: uh, some guy in australia emailed me a bug 2009-02-24 14:21:37 BillDueber asnagy++ 2009-02-24 14:21:39 anarchivist erikhatcher: i would build everything in python, but that's me :) 2009-02-24 14:21:40 Kerwick Asnagy: no way, Fortan... 2009-02-24 14:21:40 mbklein steambadger++ 2009-02-24 14:21:50 rsinger jrochkind100: about how it clobbers repeatable values 2009-02-24 14:21:55 jbrinley jbrinley saw this working quite nicely over his shoulder yesterday 2009-02-24 14:21:56 Kerwick s/Fortan/Fortran 2009-02-24 14:22:00 khatar anarchivist++ about it ... write a tool that can be configured to ignore some changes and to diff hierarchies makes sense 2009-02-24 14:22:03 rsinger jrochkind100: it was an easy fix 2009-02-24 14:22:29 anarchivist the openlayers j2k stuf is cool 2009-02-24 14:22:34 anarchivist s/stuf/stuff 2009-02-24 14:22:43 khatar anarchivist, do you think the reste of the test was successfull? 2009-02-24 14:22:46 anarchivist openlayers in general is justsuper cool 2009-02-24 14:22:59 JodiS network has really slowed down from my chair 2009-02-24 14:23:05 rosy1280 oh network...why have you forsaken us 2009-02-24 14:23:06 rsinger @whatis H.R. Pufnstuf 2009-02-24 14:23:09 zoia rsinger: comment: H.R. Pufnstuf is a children's television series produced by Sid and Marty Krofft in the United States. There were seventeen episodes of the show originally broadcast from September 6, 1969 to September 4, 1971. It was so successful that NBC kept it on the Saturday morning schedule for a full three seasons until August 1972. The show was shot in Paramount Studios and (2 more messages) 2009-02-24 14:23:15 akorphan yup, everything is choking. 2009-02-24 14:23:23 BillDueber JodiS: It's your chair's fault? MOVE IT! 2009-02-24 14:23:29 decasm jodiS: your chair is networked? 2009-02-24 14:23:42 JodiS lol 2009-02-24 14:23:44 jrochkind100 rsinger: Yeah, okay, so not so much actively developed. I don't like that I'm using an entirely different branch than the dude in australia, we've wound up with a fork. But I'm not sure what to do about it. 2009-02-24 14:23:58 jbrinley someone in the channel is named "was", so mibbit keeps highlighting that word 2009-02-24 14:28:06 rsinger jrochkind100: he just used gem install openurl 2009-02-24 14:28:06 BillDueber rsinger: Come and play with me, Jimmy, come and play with me. And I will take you on a trip far across the sea. 2009-02-24 14:28:06 mbklein jbrinley: I noticed that. 2009-02-24 14:28:06 rsinger jrochkind100: i mean, yeah 2009-02-24 14:28:06 mbklein easy_install faster_network 2009-02-24 14:28:06 rsinger @whatis The Magical World of Sid and Marty Krofft 2009-02-24 14:28:06 zoia rsinger: better luck next time 2009-02-24 14:28:06 akorphan manualBahn 2009-02-24 14:28:06 mbklein apt-get remove latency 2009-02-24 14:28:06 rsinger rsinger sighs. 2009-02-24 14:28:06 MrDys rsinger: longing for some puppety oddballs? 2009-02-24 14:28:06 jtgorman LibraryThingTim: if you ever come back ... http://www.joltawards.com/ 2009-02-24 14:28:06 BillDueber cpan Network::XS 2009-02-24 14:28:06 ecorrado ding! 2009-02-24 14:28:06 akorphan can we get our money back for internet access? 2009-02-24 14:28:06 anarchivist khatar: yeah, DVCS was a perfect fit otherwise 2009-02-24 14:28:06 akorphan by we I mean code4lib 2009-02-24 14:28:06 kgs @foaf kgs interest 2009-02-24 14:28:06 timmcgeary break++ 2009-02-24 14:28:06 zoia kgs: kgs : , , , , , 2009-02-24 14:28:06 robcaSSon robcaSSon is sooo taking a nap 2009-02-24 14:28:06 Kerwick akorphan, we aren't being charged 2009-02-24 14:28:06 rsinger MrDys: what is now the CNN Center in ATL was formerly the Sid & Marty Krofft amusement park 2009-02-24 14:28:06 liza_ I've never been to a tech conference with good wifi 2009-02-24 14:28:06 rjw internet-rebate++ 2009-02-24 14:28:06 akorphan kerwick: I still want my money back. 2009-02-24 14:28:06 MrDys rsinger: Druggachusetts? 2009-02-24 14:28:06 jbrinley last year wasn't bad 2009-02-24 14:28:06 jbrinley slow, but usable 2009-02-24 14:28:06 jtgorman Athens they really tried 2009-02-24 14:28:06 Kerwick akorphan: lol, so true :-) 2009-02-24 14:28:06 steambadger World of Sid and Marty Kroft! Man, that place was scary! 2009-02-24 14:28:06 mbklein jbrinley: Are we scripting, or freewheeling? :) 2009-02-24 14:28:06 abarrera mjgiarlo: no writing fraudulent lightning talks on the board 2009-02-24 14:28:06 jbrinley mbklein: freewheeling works for me 2009-02-24 14:28:06 mjg_ abarrera: I would never. 2009-02-24 14:28:16 rsinger akorphan: didn't you mention a guatemalan rest. yesterday? 2009-02-24 14:28:19 mbklein jbrinley: OK. You might want to @forget yourself and have your URI on hand so we can do a @know on the fly. I'm guessing mibbit is the way to go. 2009-02-24 14:28:27 abarrera mjg_: me neither 2009-02-24 14:28:31 jbrinley mbklein: just a brief intro to why we did it, maybe highlight some code (rdflib, sparql), then demo it 2009-02-24 14:28:34 messyp Jah Tokka 2009-02-24 14:28:47 abarrera mjg_: no lil hawaiian sidekick this year? 2009-02-24 14:29:10 mjg_ abarrera: sadly, no! weep weep weep. 2009-02-24 14:29:21 mbklein jbrinley: I don't know that we're going to have time to show code. Maybe one SPARQL query. 2009-02-24 14:29:33 erikhatcher anarchivist: what was taht increment for? 2009-02-24 14:29:38 ecorrado fedora++ 2009-02-24 14:30:04 anarchivist_ erikhatcher: don't remember 2009-02-24 14:30:14 mbklein mbklein would attend both solr and fedora if he could 2009-02-24 14:30:31 erikhatcher ah.... sorry, i was too stoned to catch your djatoka....:) 2009-02-24 14:30:36 robcaSSon where will the nap breakout be held? 2009-02-24 14:30:43 MrDys @sing soul coughing : super bon bon : mezzanine 2009-02-24 14:30:44 dbs mbklein: fedoras fend off solr rays 2009-02-24 14:30:46 zoia Some hand is motioning / to rise, to rise, to rise. / Too fight that you must cut clean. / You got to take the elevator to the mezzanine, 2009-02-24 14:30:48 wickr robcaSSon: in the hall 2009-02-24 14:30:53 ecorrado fedora to beethoven 2009-02-24 14:30:57 jrochkind100 MOZART RULES. 2009-02-24 14:31:03 timmcgeary jangle where? 2009-02-24 14:31:11 mjg_ timmcgeary: mozart, mezzanine 2009-02-24 14:31:11 rsinger timmcgeary: mozart 2009-02-24 14:31:14 BillDueber timmcgeary: Mozart 2009-02-24 14:31:15 timmcgeary ack 2009-02-24 14:31:15 jrochkind100 timmcgeary: Mezanine level, MOZART! 2009-02-24 14:31:25 jrochkind100 Rock me Amadeus! 2009-02-24 14:31:36 mjg_ mjg_ is interested in the gin breakout @ the Temple lounge 2009-02-24 14:31:48 jrochkind100 NOT to be missed. 2009-02-24 14:31:51 lbjay2k anyone just going somewhere to hack? 2009-02-24 14:31:54 ecorrado beer_breakout++ 2009-02-24 14:32:05 mbklein royt: The Hugh Jackman of code4lib 2009-02-24 14:32:05 mjg_ lbjay2k: thinking of going to the lounge 2009-02-24 14:32:09 liza_ lb: Yeah 2009-02-24 14:32:10 mjg_ lbjay2k: for uhhhh hacking, yeah 2009-02-24 14:32:18 lbjay2k lounge it is 2009-02-24 14:32:25 mjg_ rock, see y'all down there. 2009-02-24 14:32:32 liza_ Where's it? I came straight to the ballroom 2009-02-24 14:32:34 mjg_ no dongles required 2009-02-24 14:32:39 lbjay2k wait, where's the lounge? 2009-02-24 14:32:40 mjg_ liza_: up two levels 2009-02-24 14:32:40 lbjay2k hah 2009-02-24 14:32:43 lbjay2k ok 2009-02-24 14:32:46 mjg_ "Temple" floor 2009-02-24 14:32:51 liza_ Great, thanks 2009-02-24 14:33:48 JodiS List of rooms someplace would be nice... 2009-02-24 14:36:23 jbrinley @forget 2009-02-24 14:36:25 zoia jbrinley: (forget ) -- Forgets the URI associated with the given nick. 2009-02-24 14:36:35 jbrinley @forget me 2009-02-24 14:36:36 zoia jbrinley: I didn't know me's URI anyway. 2009-02-24 14:36:45 jbrinley @known jbrinley 2009-02-24 14:36:45 zoia jbrinley: jbrinley's URI is 2009-02-24 14:36:54 jbrinley @forget jbrinley 2009-02-24 14:36:55 zoia jbrinley: OK, I've forgotten jbrinley's URI 2009-02-24 14:37:00 jbrinley @known jbrinley 2009-02-24 14:37:01 zoia jbrinley: I don't know jbrinley's URI 2009-02-24 14:37:41 jbrinley @quote random 2009-02-24 14:37:42 zoia jbrinley: Quote #1690: " I run all my patches through @canuck" (added by ksclarke at 02:46 PM, February 04, 2009) 2009-02-24 14:37:48 jbrinley @quote random 2009-02-24 14:37:48 zoia jbrinley: Quote #1687: "< rsinger> speaking of crack, thank god i've finished this bag of pita chips" (added by gsf at 01:23 PM, January 30, 2009) 2009-02-24 14:38:38 lbjay2k mjgiarlo: drink is not a crime 2009-02-24 14:42:57 zoia < mjgiarlo> ecorrado++ # rat's ass as abstention 2009-02-24 14:43:13 ecorrado ecorrado needs a new herald 2009-02-24 14:43:39 jbrinley @herald add ecorrado ecorrado needs a new herald 2009-02-24 14:43:39 zoia jbrinley: The operation succeeded. 2009-02-24 14:43:50 ecorrado jbrinley++ 2009-02-24 14:45:47 mib_v4rnkfty ping 2009-02-24 14:45:56 ecorrado pong 2009-02-24 14:48:58 jtgorman ecorrado: for a herald how about...."The master of Open Source Racing!" 2009-02-24 14:49:12 jtgorman hmmm, nevermind 2009-02-24 14:49:13 ecorrado jtgorman: 2009-02-24 14:49:19 ecorrado jtgorman++ 2009-02-24 14:49:19 zoia New news from planetcode4lib: del.icio.us: The Ebook Difference || Engard, Nicole: NFAIS 2009: Born Digital - Born Mobile || Chudnov, Dan: code4lib 2009 talk on caching and proxying linked data || Corrado, Ed: Ma.gnolia d 2009-02-24 14:49:31 rjw anyone seen rsinger: - his breakout awaits! 2009-02-24 14:50:05 jbrinley @pirate [quote random] 2009-02-24 14:50:09 zoia jbrinley: Quote #436: "* edsu takes off his peppermint patty costume" (added by djfiander at 01:44 PM, SeptembARrrrr 28, 2006) 2009-02-24 14:50:25 ecorrado @herald add ecorrado The master of Open Source Racing 2009-02-24 14:50:26 zoia ecorrado: The operation succeeded. 2009-02-24 14:50:47 rjw ok folks stop looking rsinger: arrives! 2009-02-24 14:50:53 ecorrado funding++ 2009-02-24 14:50:53 jbrinley @pirate [sing [randtune]] 2009-02-24 14:51:04 zoia jbrinley: But I'll share me troubles if ye be off me way / I have no mother no salty sea-dog 'o a father / No sister no brother / I be an orphan lass 2009-02-24 14:52:58 ecorrado @herald add ecorrado quikc... someone bring more coffee 2009-02-24 14:52:59 zoia ecorrado: The operation succeeded. 2009-02-24 14:53:18 ecorrado @herald add ecorrado quick... someone bring more coffee 2009-02-24 14:53:19 zoia ecorrado: The operation succeeded. 2009-02-24 14:54:22 jtgorman map++ 2009-02-24 14:54:34 jtgorman perl_map++ to be more precise 2009-02-24 14:55:13 ecorrado nap++ 2009-02-24 14:55:25 mjg_ perl_nap-- 2009-02-24 14:56:01 ecorrado ecorrado in fedora breakout rven though he has no plans to use fedora for anything 2009-02-24 14:56:30 mjg_ ecorrado: come over to the Temple lounge if you're bored w/ Fedora. we're chilling in the presence of alcohol. 2009-02-24 14:56:39 ecorrado mjg++ 2009-02-24 14:56:47 ecorrado cool, I'll be down soon 2009-02-24 14:57:37 elli_ hugh, can I run scheduling by you? 2009-02-24 14:58:38 chickmarkley hey, where's libx room 2009-02-24 14:59:03 JodiS chickmarkley: Temple level 2009-02-24 14:59:21 jbrinley Beethoven, i think 2009-02-24 14:59:39 chickmarkley thanks, I'll send the guy there 2009-02-24 15:00:12 steambadger Fedora's in Beethoven, isn't it? 2009-02-24 15:00:25 jbrinley jbrinley is probably wrong 2009-02-24 15:00:42 steambadger Handel? 2009-02-24 15:01:04 vtd temple level handel sounds right for the libx session 2009-02-24 15:01:09 jtgorman let me guess.....all the rooms are named after composers 2009-02-24 15:01:26 cbeer @know cbeer http://ratherinsane.com/~chris/foaf.rdf#cbeer 2009-02-24 15:01:27 zoia cbeer: cbeer's URI is now 2009-02-24 15:01:48 steambadger No, they're all named after serial killers who happen to have the same names as composers. It's tricky. 2009-02-24 15:02:23 Baroquem Baroquem thinks Mozart should be on the Temple level instead of the mezzanine. 2009-02-24 15:02:42 mjg_ anyone who wants to bail, we've got one open stool in the temple lounge 2009-02-24 15:03:46 jtgorman is the Beethoven room deafening? 2009-02-24 15:04:11 jtgorman jtgorman avoided the more crass jokes, so people should be happy with that 2009-02-24 15:04:35 jtgorman s/with that/for that/ 2009-02-24 15:05:03 zoia quick... someone bring more coffee 2009-02-24 15:05:31 steambadger s'alright, jtgorman. I got your back. 2009-02-24 15:05:54 jtgorman jtgorman struggles very hard not to make a crass joke 2009-02-24 15:06:57 fak3r jtgorman: crass joke appreciated 2009-02-24 15:09:54 jfereira people are starting to bail from the fedora room 2009-02-24 15:11:17 ranti so, I got my foaf file set up. what's next? 2009-02-24 15:11:43 jbrinley ranti: it's online? 2009-02-24 15:12:17 jbrinley ranti: next, tell zoia your URI 2009-02-24 15:12:55 jbrinley @help know 2009-02-24 15:12:56 zoia jbrinley: (know [] ) -- Associates the given URI with the given nick. If the nick already has a URI, it will be forgotten. Defaults to the calling user. 2009-02-24 15:13:26 ranti jbrinley: thanks. 2009-02-24 15:14:16 ranti @kamow ranti http://staff.lib.msu.edu/junus/foaf.rdf#ranti 2009-02-24 15:14:18 zoia ranti: I suppose. I mean, nothing's impossible: http://www.bmj.com/cgi/content/full/321/7276/1569 2009-02-24 15:14:34 ranti ranti chuckles 2009-02-24 15:14:38 zoia true, true 2009-02-24 15:14:43 ranti @know ranti http://staff.lib.msu.edu/junus/foaf.rdf#ranti 2009-02-24 15:14:45 zoia ranti: ranti's URI is now 2009-02-24 15:15:11 jbrinley @knows ranti zoia 2009-02-24 15:15:14 zoia jbrinley: ranti does not know zoia, but zoia knows ranti. 2009-02-24 15:15:38 ranti er, do I need to add zoia to my foaf as well? 2009-02-24 15:15:56 jbrinley ranti: yes, if you want to assert that you know zoia 2009-02-24 15:16:27 jbrinley @common knows jbrinley ranti 2009-02-24 15:16:28 zoia jbrinley: I don't know jbrinley's URI. 2009-02-24 15:16:36 jbrinley @common knows mbklein ranti 2009-02-24 15:16:48 ejk @know ejk http://rhymeswithtoaster.com/foaf.rdf#me 2009-02-24 15:16:49 zoia jbrinley: , , , , 2009-02-24 15:16:51 zoia ejk: ejk's URI is now 2009-02-24 15:17:04 jtgorman jtgorman needs a new domain 2009-02-24 15:17:06 ranti jbrinley: ah so. Sounds like the key-signing party thingy. 2009-02-24 15:17:14 jtgorman I had jonathan.gorman.net for a while but...yeah 2009-02-24 15:17:15 mjg_ I am consuming TanquerayML 2009-02-24 15:17:19 jbrinley ranti: kind of like that, yes 2009-02-24 15:17:24 mjg_ It seems to be valid and well-formed. 2009-02-24 15:18:46 zoia Ŧåĸŏ 2009-02-24 15:18:47 ranti @help common 2009-02-24 15:18:47 zoia ranti: (common , [, ...]) -- Returns the objects that all nicks have in common related to the given predicate. 2009-02-24 15:18:53 zoia New news from planetcode4lib: Corrado, Ed: Ma.gnolia data is lost || Corrado, Ed: Facebook Privacy Kerfuffle 2009-02-24 15:19:14 jbrinley @common interest ranti royt JodiS 2009-02-24 15:19:15 ecorrado ecorrado wonders why zoia is announcing old blog posts of his 2009-02-24 15:19:15 zoia jbrinley: I don't know royt's URI. 2009-02-24 15:19:32 jbrinley @common interest ranti JodiS 2009-02-24 15:19:37 fak3r doing things outside of fedora-commons, well put post 2009-02-24 15:19:39 zoia jbrinley: Error: I tried to send you an empty message. 2009-02-24 15:19:42 kgs ecorrado that happens to me sometime... 2009-02-24 15:19:46 royt somethings up w/my serer 2009-02-24 15:19:47 royt server, even 2009-02-24 15:19:50 jbrinley oh, yeah, JodiS has no interests 2009-02-24 15:20:00 jbrinley @known royt 2009-02-24 15:20:01 zoia jbrinley: I don't know royt's URI 2009-02-24 15:20:05 fak3r that's not very interesting 2009-02-24 15:20:20 JodiS @knows ranti JodiS 2009-02-24 15:20:21 kgs predicates++ 2009-02-24 15:20:24 zoia JodiS: ranti and JodiS do not know each other. 2009-02-24 15:20:51 ranti @knows ranti JodiS 2009-02-24 15:20:51 mjg_ gsf snuck in w/ ninja skills. 2009-02-24 15:20:52 pmurray @knows pmurray zoia 2009-02-24 15:20:54 zoia ranti: ranti and JodiS do not know each other. 2009-02-24 15:20:56 zoia pmurray: pmurray does not know zoia, but zoia knows pmurray. 2009-02-24 15:21:07 royt royt reboots his server 2009-02-24 15:21:23 fak3r uptime-- 2009-02-24 15:21:29 ranti @known JodiS 2009-02-24 15:21:30 zoia ranti: JodiS's URI is 2009-02-24 15:21:41 edsu gsf: online 2009-02-24 15:22:14 gsf edsu: BillDueber's marcjson example: http://code.google.com/p/marc-json/source/browse/trunk/samples/book.json 2009-02-24 15:23:06 kgs @common interest kgs 2009-02-24 15:23:08 zoia kgs: , , , , , 2009-02-24 15:24:24 jtgorman is there some way to use the plugin to give it a dbpedia uir and find out the folks who have that interest? 2009-02-24 15:25:37 jtgorman @common interest http://dbpedia.org/resource/Brewing 2009-02-24 15:25:39 zoia jtgorman: Error: 'http://dbpedia.org/resource/Brewing' is not a valid nick. That nick is too long for this server. 2009-02-24 15:25:44 pmurray @list foaf 2009-02-24 15:25:45 zoia pmurray: common, foaf, forget, know, known, knows, and predicates 2009-02-24 15:25:58 jtgorman pmurray++ 2009-02-24 15:26:00 pmurray @foaf interest http://dbpedia.org/resource/Brewing 2009-02-24 15:26:01 zoia pmurray: I don't know interest's URI. 2009-02-24 15:26:08 jtgorman I suspect there's some way of doing it via predicates 2009-02-24 15:26:13 mjg_ @hosts2010 2009-02-24 15:26:14 zoia mjg_: Asheville, NC [201]; Austin, TX [180]; Madison, WI [156]; Columbus, OH [110]; Bloomington, IN [86] 2009-02-24 15:26:19 jtgorman @predicates 2009-02-24 15:26:20 zoia jtgorman: (predicates ) -- Displays the relationships that have been asserted by the given nick about the other nick or URI. 2009-02-24 15:26:27 pmurray jtgorman: Yeah -- you're probably right. 2009-02-24 15:26:34 jtgorman maybe not 2009-02-24 15:26:37 pmurray hmmm. 2009-02-24 15:26:42 pmurray @foaf 2009-02-24 15:26:44 zoia pmurray: (foaf ) -- Returns the objects of the given predicate in the given nick's FOAF. 2009-02-24 15:26:46 jtgorman @predicates zoia kgs 2009-02-24 15:26:47 zoia jtgorman: Relationships asserted by zoia about kgs: 2009-02-24 15:27:10 pmurray @predicates http://dbpedia.org/resource/Brewing * 2009-02-24 15:27:11 zoia pmurray: Error: 'http://dbpedia.org/resource/Brewing' is not a valid nick. That nick is too long for this server. 2009-02-24 15:27:18 jtgorman @predicates kgs http://dbpedia.org/resource/Brewing 2009-02-24 15:27:20 pmurray @predicates http://dbpedia.org/resource/Brewing 2009-02-24 15:27:23 zoia jtgorman: I don't know http://dbpedia.org/resource/Brewing's URI. 2009-02-24 15:27:25 zoia pmurray: I didn't know *'s URI anyway. 2009-02-24 15:27:34 jtgorman hah! 2009-02-24 15:27:42 jtgorman jtgorman goes back to wrok 2009-02-24 15:27:43 kgs pmurray you scared off royt! 2009-02-24 15:27:46 jtgorman maybe even work 2009-02-24 15:27:59 kgs either that or he's off slipping into his thong before the lightning talks 2009-02-24 15:28:01 pmurray kgs: Happens... ;-) 2009-02-24 15:28:04 edsu just catching up on zotero developments, crazy shit! 2009-02-24 15:28:12 pmurray pmurray shudders. 2009-02-24 15:28:13 jtgorman edsu: ooohhh, anything cool? 2009-02-24 15:28:30 edsu jtgorman: ther server stuff is live apparently? 2009-02-24 15:28:34 pmurray pmurray shudders and tries to wipe that visualization from my mind. 2009-02-24 15:28:35 edsu http://www.zotero.org/bdarcus/library/item/16408 2009-02-24 15:28:41 pmurray edsu: Yeah, it is. 2009-02-24 15:28:57 jtgorman edsu: yeah, someone mentioned that to me a little while ago and I was suprised too 2009-02-24 15:29:03 jtgorman edsu: maybe in December? 2009-02-24 15:29:11 edsu bruce is talking about embedding bibo/foaf rdfa in the server views 2009-02-24 15:29:20 jtgorman don't know how long it's been live. I guess for longer than I thought 2009-02-24 15:29:36 LibraryThingT . 2009-02-24 15:30:43 LibraryThingT echo echo 2009-02-24 15:31:26 MrDys- | @karma tspalding 2009-02-24 15:31:27 zoia MrDys-: Karma for "tspalding" has been increased 2 times and decreased 0 times for a total karma of 2. 2009-02-24 15:31:33 gsf edsu: http://www.zotero.org/support/sync 2009-02-24 15:31:59 LibraryThingT tspalding++ ? 2009-02-24 15:32:07 LibraryThingT Anyway, aren't I LibraryThingTim? 2009-02-24 15:32:41 pmurray LibraryThingTim: YOu are now but when you weren't here you were "tspalding" for purposes of Karma. 2009-02-24 15:32:44 pmurray @karma 2009-02-24 15:32:45 zoia pmurray: Highest karma: "edsu" (1062), "mjgiarlo" (1053), and "dbs" (856). Lowest karma: "iii" (-163), "sirsidynix" (-72), and "-" (-55). You (pmurray) are ranked 27 out of 8313. 2009-02-24 15:33:00 pmurray @karma librarything 2009-02-24 15:33:00 zoia pmurray: Karma for "librarything" has been increased 4 times and decreased 0 times for a total karma of 4. 2009-02-24 15:33:05 LibraryThingT Ah. 2009-02-24 15:33:19 anarchivist @karma 2009-02-24 15:33:20 zoia anarchivist: Highest karma: "edsu" (1062), "mjgiarlo" (1053), and "dbs" (856). Lowest karma: "iii" (-163), "sirsidynix" (-72), and "-" (-55). You (anarchivist) are ranked 10 out of 8313. 2009-02-24 15:33:23 LibraryThingT What sessions are people in. Anything good? 2009-02-24 15:33:23 pmurray librarything++ 2009-02-24 15:33:25 pmurray @karma librarything 2009-02-24 15:33:26 zoia pmurray: Karma for "librarything" has been increased 5 times and decreased 0 times for a total karma of 5. 2009-02-24 15:33:44 pmurray @karma iii 2009-02-24 15:33:45 zoia pmurray: Karma for "iii" has been increased 8 times and decreased 171 times for a total karma of -163. 2009-02-24 15:33:47 pmurray iii-- 2009-02-24 15:33:50 pmurray @karma iii 2009-02-24 15:33:52 zoia pmurray: Karma for "iii" has been increased 8 times and decreased 172 times for a total karma of -164. 2009-02-24 15:34:01 LibraryThingT Ouch. 2009-02-24 15:34:12 mjg_ gsf and edsu sittin' in the booth, C H A T T I N G 2009-02-24 15:34:13 ranti ranti can't help but agrees with iii's karma 2009-02-24 15:34:26 LibraryThingT iii++ <--- it needs love! 2009-02-24 15:34:47 LibraryThingT @karma lunch 2009-02-24 15:34:48 zoia LibraryThingTim: Karma for "lunch" has been increased 21 times and decreased 0 times for a total karma of 21. 2009-02-24 15:34:48 cbeer LibraryThingTim: The fedora session is ok, but too technical and abstract to be interesting 2009-02-24 15:35:16 LibraryThingT The technical aspect here is hard for me to care about. I can read technical stuff. The gold here is the people and the ideas. 2009-02-24 15:35:29 cbeer LibraryThingTim: exactly 2009-02-24 15:35:38 ecorrado_ ecorrado_ remembers the ays when voyager had the lowest karma 2009-02-24 15:35:45 LibraryThingT Who are you anyway, Mr. Beer? 2009-02-24 15:36:09 LibraryThingT I want an ideas4libtech conference. 2009-02-24 15:36:19 gsf mjg_: you just jealous 2009-02-24 15:36:28 cbeer Chris Beer, WGBH.. we met at c4lne 2009-02-24 15:36:29 LibraryThingT No technical talks. No introductory talks. 2009-02-24 15:36:31 mjg_ :(~~~ 2009-02-24 15:36:36 LibraryThingT Oh, yeah. Hello! :) 2009-02-24 15:36:39 cbeer ideas4libtech++ 2009-02-24 15:36:39 ecorrado_ LibraryThingTim: host one in Maine this summer! 2009-02-24 15:36:46 LibraryThingT Nobody will come to Maine. 2009-02-24 15:36:48 LibraryThingT Boston maybe. 2009-02-24 15:36:59 cbeer maine will be more beautiful 2009-02-24 15:37:06 LibraryThingT beer: I'm glad the LCSH data is back. You must have been worried. 2009-02-24 15:37:08 LibraryThingT True. 2009-02-24 15:37:09 JodiS zotero++ 2009-02-24 15:37:11 cbeer i'd escape boston 2009-02-24 15:37:15 edsu maine, camping 2009-02-24 15:37:19 LibraryThingT I'd love to do it. 2009-02-24 15:37:21 LibraryThingT Lobster. 2009-02-24 15:37:21 cbeer I downloaded the RDF dump 2009-02-24 15:37:24 LibraryThingT Peaks Island. 2009-02-24 15:37:24 ecorrado_ LibraryThingTim: people will come to Maine before Binghamton, at least they would if they were smart 2009-02-24 15:37:51 LibraryThingT ecorrado: Shake my hand or something. I love your blog work of late. 2009-02-24 15:37:52 cbeer but we also have been cataloging the terms too, so we were ok, just disappointed for awhile 2009-02-24 15:38:00 ecorrado_ LibraryThingTim: http://powerlesscamp.org/ 2009-02-24 15:38:09 ecorrado_ you can host it somewhere 2009-02-24 15:38:35 edsu btw, aliman (dcmi,skos) started a project for converting bib data to rda 2009-02-24 15:38:42 edsu http://code.google.com/p/code4rda/wiki/HomePage 2009-02-24 15:38:52 LibraryThingT I dunno. If we went into the wilderness, something terrible might happen to the OCLC people. 2009-02-24 15:39:09 ecorrado_ LibraryThingTim: don't host it in Georgia 2009-02-24 15:39:15 dbs "... in a blinding flash of insight...." 2009-02-24 15:39:19 LibraryThingT Bears, you know. Terrible problem up in Maine. 2009-02-24 15:39:20 mjg_ YOU GOT A PURTY API BOYEE 2009-02-24 15:40:01 LibraryThingT (shiver) 2009-02-24 15:40:03 cbeer edsu: would that make some of the authority data available as linked data? 2009-02-24 15:40:18 edsu cbeer: not sure just yet 2009-02-24 15:40:39 edsu looks like there's no code in there yet 2009-02-24 15:40:58 wickr not just maine, the #1 thread to America (bears) 2009-02-24 15:41:23 LibraryThingT My wife hit a bear. They probably know. 2009-02-24 15:41:32 MrDys omg bears. 2009-02-24 15:43:01 abarrera mjgiarlo's neck bear is looking at me 2009-02-24 15:43:41 MrDys that's an upgrade. 2009-02-24 15:45:21 edsu mjgiarlo is throwin' glasses around in the bar 2009-02-24 15:46:01 edsu back to no internets i guess 2009-02-24 15:48:19 LibraryThingT Solr's done. 2009-02-24 15:48:21 zoia New news from planetcode4lib: del.icio.us: Presentations about code4lib || del.icio.us: A look through the Grid at Code4lib || Leggott, Mark: How Silly Can We Get? || Brickley, Dan: On the internet, no-one knows. , [, ...]) -- Returns the objects that all nicks have in common related to the given predicate. 2009-02-24 15:51:22 anarchivist @predicates anarchivist 2009-02-24 15:51:23 zoia anarchivist: (predicates ) -- Displays the relationships that have been asserted by the given nick about the other nick or URI. 2009-02-24 15:51:29 anarchivist @predicates anarchivist BigD 2009-02-24 15:51:30 zoia anarchivist: Relationships asserted by anarchivist about BigD: 2009-02-24 15:51:37 anarchivist @predicates anarchivist mjgiarlo 2009-02-24 15:51:38 zoia anarchivist: I don't know mjgiarlo's URI. 2009-02-24 15:51:45 anarchivist @predicates anarchivist edsu 2009-02-24 15:51:45 zoia anarchivist: I don't know edsu's URI. 2009-02-24 15:51:55 anarchivist @predicates anarchivist cazzerson 2009-02-24 15:51:56 zoia anarchivist: Relationships asserted by anarchivist about cazzerson: 2009-02-24 15:52:19 BigD does predicates mean you owe me $20 2009-02-24 15:52:26 MikeTaylor Quiet around here ... is it really a dialogue between anrchivist and a bot? 2009-02-24 15:52:43 anarchivist MikeTaylor: funny thing is i'm on a conference call too 2009-02-24 15:53:20 abarrera BigD: do I want to know why he owes you $20 2009-02-24 15:53:32 LibraryThingT I'm all goose-bumpy. 2009-02-24 15:53:43 anarchivist abarrera: everyone owes BigD $20 2009-02-24 15:53:59 BigD damn skippy 2009-02-24 15:54:30 dlovins @interest dlovins 2009-02-24 15:54:30 zoia dlovins: cannot we speak like thoughtful adults and not drunken sailors? 2009-02-24 15:55:10 ejk the internetz r better in the ballroom than in the mozart room 2009-02-24 15:55:24 MrDys- | the internetz were better in the lounge 2009-02-24 15:55:31 BigD there pretty good in the bathroom too 2009-02-24 15:55:52 LibraryThingT It's all for me grog, me noggin' noggin' grog—it's all for me beer and tabaccy! 2009-02-24 15:56:10 pmurray BigD: I don't think I want to know how you know that. 2009-02-24 15:56:26 emcrens Cause I spent all me tin... on lassies drinkin' gin 2009-02-24 15:56:42 kgs the internetz were grate til u developers came back in the room and clogged them 2009-02-24 15:56:54 liza31337 I had no internet in the lounge, which bodes ill for beer + coding 2009-02-24 15:57:07 LibraryThingT Can you code while drinking? 2009-02-24 15:57:10 anarchivist liza31337: bummer 2009-02-24 15:57:16 MikeTaylor I have 31 slides to get through in my Lightning Talk. 2009-02-24 15:57:20 LibraryThingT I can photoshop, but not code. 2009-02-24 15:57:28 pmurray @sandp eng 2009-02-24 15:57:29 anarchivist LibraryThingTim: it's the best way for me to code 2009-02-24 15:57:29 liza31337 Usually that's when I write my tests 2009-02-24 15:58:20 zoia pmurray: An error has occurred and has been logged. Please contact this bot's administrator for more information. 2009-02-24 15:58:20 ejk MikeTaylor: and a live demo, right? 2009-02-24 15:58:20 pmurray @dow eng 2009-02-24 15:58:20 akorphan ibahn_conf makes me VE-RY ANG-RY (huff, huff) 2009-02-24 15:58:20 zoia pmurray: An error has occurred and has been logged. Please contact this bot's administrator for more information. 2009-02-24 15:58:20 emcrens haha... I code better after I've been drinking... 2009-02-24 15:58:20 pmurray @stock aapl 2009-02-24 15:58:20 zoia pmurray: An error has occurred and has been logged. Please contact this bot's administrator for more information. 2009-02-24 15:58:20 pmurray Bah. 2009-02-24 15:58:20 anarchivist LibraryThingTim: that's part of the reason why i want a rugged, beerproof netbook 2009-02-24 15:58:20 LibraryThingT I'd have to be drunk to write tests. 2009-02-24 15:58:20 MikeTaylor No live demo -- it takes more than five minutes just to get the Internet connection up. 2009-02-24 15:58:38 ejk Dow is up 238 points for the day 2009-02-24 15:59:46 ruest dow-- 2009-02-24 15:59:47 zoia Ŧåĸŏ 2009-02-24 15:59:56 LibraryThingT dow++ 2009-02-24 16:00:27 MikeTaylor Is the running order of lightnings posted anywhere? 2009-02-24 16:00:36 mib_3k89rhty hurry up! 2009-02-24 16:00:43 liza31337 I think it would help to shout out the number of minutes remaining 2009-02-24 16:00:44 jbrinley MikeTaylor: no, even the presenters don't know the order 2009-02-24 16:00:55 mib_3k89rhty MikeTaylor: they were laying it out just a few mins ago onstage 2009-02-24 16:01:05 ruest drupal++ 2009-02-24 16:01:17 MikeTaylor Oh ... i missed that because I loaded my presentation earlier, so I went at sat down while everyone else was loading. 2009-02-24 16:01:21 mib_3k89rhty drupal++ #always 2009-02-24 16:01:22 BigD when's lunch? 2009-02-24 16:01:23 MikeTaylor Darn. Does anyone know when I'm on? :-) 2009-02-24 16:01:49 mib_3k89rhty hmmm... 2009-02-24 16:01:54 mib_3k89rhty louder! 2009-02-24 16:01:55 LibraryThingT He is not going to make it in 5 minutes. 2009-02-24 16:01:56 wickr what the hell? 2009-02-24 16:01:56 abarrera i love this one 2009-02-24 16:02:11 mjg_ What's this dude's name? 2009-02-24 16:02:13 edsu that is awesome 2009-02-24 16:02:14 andyashton best. presentation. ever 2009-02-24 16:02:24 mjg_ I am now a fan of XC. 2009-02-24 16:02:33 abarrera cartoons_during_presentation++ 2009-02-24 16:02:34 jfereira watch out! 2009-02-24 16:02:58 MikeTaylor w00t! But ... what was he talking about again? 2009-02-24 16:03:01 jtgorman mjg_: so...there's actual details about XC? 2009-02-24 16:03:12 wickr jtgorman: no, just cartoons 2009-02-24 16:03:26 ecorrado cartoons++ 2009-02-24 16:03:26 abarrera you need to hear the audio on the mario one 2009-02-24 16:03:36 fak3r volume plss 2009-02-24 16:03:38 jtgorman oh, ok. 2009-02-24 16:03:49 fak3r "I'm sorry mario, but our princess is in another castle" 2009-02-24 16:04:05 BigD this was abarrera and mjg_ last night... 2009-02-24 16:04:13 abarrera BigD++ 2009-02-24 16:04:21 jrochkind100 why is he providing cartoons that compete for attention with his content? 2009-02-24 16:04:21 abarrera until you came and ate mjgiarlo 2009-02-24 16:04:34 wickr "volume please" sounds similar to "details/code please" 2009-02-24 16:04:36 fak3r jrochkind100: unsure, but it's working! 2009-02-24 16:04:44 abarrera bingo 2009-02-24 16:05:01 jbrinley jrochkind100: to distract from lacking content? (I don't know, I was paying attention to the cartoons) 2009-02-24 16:05:06 JodiS http://tinyurl.com/XCwebcast 2009-02-24 16:05:06 mjg_ david_lindahl++ 2009-02-24 16:05:07 LibraryThingT Wow. He did it. 2009-02-24 16:05:10 scolford wait, what was his topic? 2009-02-24 16:05:18 abarrera maybe he did that for his timing 2009-02-24 16:05:28 LibraryThingT OPACs need to have cartoons in them. 2009-02-24 16:05:31 mjg_ note to presenters: introduce yourselves. 2009-02-24 16:05:33 fak3r anyone have success with Scriblio? 2009-02-24 16:05:39 scolford LibraryThingTim++ 2009-02-24 16:05:39 LibraryThingT Is Brett on? 2009-02-24 16:05:46 fak3r mjg_: as hans and franz? 2009-02-24 16:05:46 jrochkind100 See, that's what's frustrating to me, XC is actually REALLY GOOD and nobody knows it. 2009-02-24 16:05:54 mjg_ jtgorman: tinyurl.com/XC uhhh, something. 2009-02-24 16:05:57 jrochkind100 And he should have been convincing us of htat, but instead he provided a cartoon to watch. HUH? 2009-02-24 16:06:20 JodiS fak3r: there was a nice presentation about it at necode4lib, with an archivist who uses it 2009-02-24 16:06:24 abarrera http://tinyurl.com/xcwebcast 2009-02-24 16:06:32 JodiS jrochkind: I agree, but will watch the video 2009-02-24 16:06:35 mjg_ abarerra++ # jtgorman, ^ 2009-02-24 16:06:47 fak3r JodiS: necode4lib? 2009-02-24 16:06:49 JodiS jrochkind: he's actually a good speaker 2009-02-24 16:06:50 mjg_ JodiS++ # also. 2009-02-24 16:06:55 abarrera mjgiarlo-- # for misspelling my name 2009-02-24 16:07:12 mjg_ abeara 2009-02-24 16:07:20 scolford fak3r: new england code4lib 2009-02-24 16:07:22 jtgorman abarrera++ 2009-02-24 16:07:25 abarrera is that Seth Rogan up there? 2009-02-24 16:07:29 jtgorman I'll watch later 2009-02-24 16:07:32 fak3r scolford: thanks 2009-02-24 16:07:45 mjg_ mjg_ snorts 2009-02-24 16:07:46 LibraryThingT Haystack is great, but someone needs to make a LibraryThing for archives. 2009-02-24 16:07:57 fak3r haven't been able to make scriblio look like this at all... 2009-02-24 16:08:01 JodiS Collingswood Public Library is using it. Their director is here. (But doesn't multitask, so isn't on IRC) 2009-02-24 16:08:02 MrDys LibraryThingTim: sounds like something you should do 2009-02-24 16:08:09 anarchivist oh god no 2009-02-24 16:08:14 anarchivist please, please no 2009-02-24 16:08:17 jtgorman hire anarchivist for it ;) 2009-02-24 16:08:19 scolford but wouldn't that be ArchiveThing? 2009-02-24 16:08:20 mjg_ JodiS: Collingswood! 2009-02-24 16:08:26 jtgorman or...maybe not 2009-02-24 16:08:26 JodiS fak3r: sketchy info here: http://wiki.code4lib.org/index.php/NEC4L a local code4lib event where a bunch of us got together 2009-02-24 16:08:35 LibraryThingT Yeah, we've lost -Thing. HobbyThing is the newest Thing. 2009-02-24 16:08:37 mjg_ JodiS: not as nice as Cherry Hill but... ;) 2009-02-24 16:08:39 JodiS mjg: yup. My dad's house is within walking distance of that library 2009-02-24 16:08:44 cbeer LibraryThingTim: What would ArchiveThing do? 2009-02-24 16:08:46 JodiS JodiS was waiting for that one 2009-02-24 16:08:48 fak3r sweet pixelated text 2009-02-24 16:08:52 liza31337 South Jersey represent 2009-02-24 16:08:52 gsf mjg_: yeah, that director is brett, who i got a ride up here with 2009-02-24 16:09:04 abarrera south_jersey++ 2009-02-24 16:09:06 mjg_ brett++ 2009-02-24 16:09:07 LibraryThingT OPAC/LibraryThing Archive systems/ArchiveThing 2009-02-24 16:09:13 mjg_ central_jersey++ holy_wars++ 2009-02-24 16:09:18 anarchivist that doesn't even make sense 2009-02-24 16:09:18 akorphan @karma ibahn 2009-02-24 16:09:19 zoia akorphan: Karma for "ibahn" has been increased 0 times and decreased 1 time for a total karma of -1. 2009-02-24 16:09:23 liza31337 Wawa++ 2009-02-24 16:09:26 JodiS fak3r: http://rc98.net/necode4lib is a bit about what happened gsf++ 2009-02-24 16:09:28 anarchivist wawa++ 2009-02-24 16:09:29 abarrera Wawa++ 2009-02-24 16:09:30 JodiS Wawa++ 2009-02-24 16:09:32 JodiS :) 2009-02-24 16:09:32 dueberb ArchiveThing would fight alongside Mr. ArchiveFantastic 2009-02-24 16:09:35 LibraryThingT Oh, the Common Knowledge plug makes me happy. 2009-02-24 16:09:38 ruest ibahn-- 2009-02-24 16:09:38 fak3r css_underutilized_thus_far-- 2009-02-24 16:09:43 khatar definitly: we need a code4lib event in europe ! 2009-02-24 16:09:45 JodiS dueberb: is he related to Miss Kitty Fantastico? 2009-02-24 16:09:49 LibraryThingT 1,000,000 edits; I'll stop. 2009-02-24 16:09:51 anarchivist JodiS: no, but I am 2009-02-24 16:09:53 JodiS khatar: yes, please get that started! :) 2009-02-24 16:09:58 JodiS anarchivist++ 2009-02-24 16:10:07 mjg_ I guess the presentation laptop doesn't have audio? 2009-02-24 16:10:15 edsu @later tell danbri http://groups.google.com/group/bibliographic-ontology-specification-group/browse_thread/thread/c7c017203f3f9a95 2009-02-24 16:10:16 zoia edsu: The operation succeeded. 2009-02-24 16:10:17 JodiS http://wordpress.org/extend/plugins/scriblio/ 2009-02-24 16:10:23 dueberb JodiS: "I'm so glad I have fish and not a dog." 2009-02-24 16:10:24 LibraryThingT casey++ 2009-02-24 16:10:27 fak3r nice background on last slide 2009-02-24 16:10:33 fak3r yeah, casey++ from me too 2009-02-24 16:10:38 lbjay2k anarch "mike hog" ivist 2009-02-24 16:10:40 edsu the cats in office was really funny without the sound 2009-02-24 16:10:41 khatar JodiS, we would not be a lot :) 2009-02-24 16:10:41 scolford LibraryThingTim: if random house can claim Books On Tape®, you should be able to grab *Thing® 2009-02-24 16:10:49 dueberb FAIL: The Revenge! 2009-02-24 16:10:50 edsu not this guy again :) 2009-02-24 16:10:53 akorphan lightning_cartoons?? 2009-02-24 16:10:53 fak3r he has far more colour in his avatar pic 2009-02-24 16:10:58 LibraryThingT Ha. They can? That's fucked up. 2009-02-24 16:11:02 kgs lightning_talks++ 2009-02-24 16:11:02 mjg_ anarchivist: one day, two epic fails 2009-02-24 16:11:09 JodiS khatar: you might be surprised. 2009-02-24 16:11:10 LibraryThingT Move it over! 2009-02-24 16:11:13 fak3r mjg_: ouch 2009-02-24 16:11:21 JodiS khatar: necode4lib was about 20-30 people, and it was great! 2009-02-24 16:11:21 LibraryThingT Good. 2009-02-24 16:11:29 fak3r big fonts = web 3.0! 2009-02-24 16:11:37 JodiS enjoysthin.gs++ 2009-02-24 16:11:38 jbrinley = foaf:interest? 2009-02-24 16:11:39 khatar necode4lib ? 2009-02-24 16:11:40 akorphan "creative technologist". There's a job title. 2009-02-24 16:11:43 khatar khatar googles 2009-02-24 16:11:44 cbeer necode4lib++ 2009-02-24 16:11:51 fak3r forget that, I use magnolia! what? oh... 2009-02-24 16:11:55 cbeer khatar: New England Code4Lib 2009-02-24 16:11:58 fak3r NO! 2009-02-24 16:12:01 edsu headcold4lib 2009-02-24 16:12:07 mjg_ fak3r++ 2009-02-24 16:12:12 akorphan headcrab4lib? 2009-02-24 16:12:13 jtgorman common_knowledge++ 2009-02-24 16:12:31 LibraryThingT danke 2009-02-24 16:12:32 khatar ne.code4lib.org ? 2009-02-24 16:12:42 fak3r vimeo plug, it must run python then 2009-02-24 16:12:47 cbeer khatar: sounds right 2009-02-24 16:12:50 jtgorman dbpedia++ 2009-02-24 16:13:01 jtgorman all those wonderful sources of data that makes me drool ;) 2009-02-24 16:13:04 fak3r loading things from the web during a presenation? -- 2009-02-24 16:13:07 jtgorman musicbrainz++ 2009-02-24 16:13:08 liza31337 Time to register hatesthin.gs 2009-02-24 16:13:12 LibraryThingT Social bookmarking for visual learners. 2009-02-24 16:13:13 jtgorman discogs++ 2009-02-24 16:13:17 abarrera opp+ # on http://enjoythin.gs homepage 2009-02-24 16:13:20 khatar this was in USA 2009-02-24 16:13:21 fak3r ha, python book, I knew it 2009-02-24 16:13:26 LibraryThingT Ooh, discogs. 2009-02-24 16:13:31 jbrinley liza31337++ 2009-02-24 16:13:37 dueberb A 'Visual Learner' is just someone who's too lazy to read. 2009-02-24 16:13:42 edsu weird seeing my table at home on the big screen 2009-02-24 16:13:50 mjg_ liza31337++ 2009-02-24 16:13:51 khatar JodiS, i said that because french librarians just decoversed computers last year 2009-02-24 16:14:06 mjg_ mjg_ can smell the beer stains on edsu's table 2009-02-24 16:14:07 fak3r edsu: you get used to it after awhile I'll bet 2009-02-24 16:14:09 jtgorman delicious++ 2009-02-24 16:14:12 LibraryThingT dueberb: Ha. It's someone who prefers a map to a meticulous set of directions... 2009-02-24 16:14:15 khatar so i think we would be patients with them 2009-02-24 16:14:18 ruest dude just pick something! 2009-02-24 16:14:24 abarrera mjgiarlo: for you http://ara.enjoysthin.gs/28814 2009-02-24 16:14:25 JodiS khatar: you had the internet before anybody else! 2009-02-24 16:14:26 fak3r reload-- 2009-02-24 16:14:33 LibraryThingT That's fairly cool. 2009-02-24 16:14:40 jtgorman jtgorman is one of those people who prefers maps to directions, but that comes from growing up in a family where none of the people can give directions 2009-02-24 16:14:41 dueberb LibraryThingTim: It's someone who believes a picture is worth 8 words. 2009-02-24 16:14:47 fak3r ouch 2009-02-24 16:14:53 scolford LibraryThingTim: indeed. check it out at the bottom of this page. http://www.booksontape.com/ 2009-02-24 16:14:53 edsu and they use GIT! 2009-02-24 16:14:57 akorphan Is it me, or is the huge mass of wall warts in the room making it hotter in here? 2009-02-24 16:15:01 mjg_ abeara: awesome. 2009-02-24 16:15:14 JodiS khatar: (I forget what it's called...) 2009-02-24 16:15:14 abarrera mjgiarlo-- # ass 2009-02-24 16:15:17 khatar JodiS, computer scientists are very active but merly alone and understood 2009-02-24 16:15:18 jtgorman "You turn right on the third stop light"..."I did, it was blah".."Oh, yeah. You don't want to be on that, it dumps into the Interstate." "I kinda guessed" 2009-02-24 16:15:29 khatar JodiS, miriades 2009-02-24 16:15:31 BigD abarea has a bad attitude 2009-02-24 16:15:38 LibraryThingT I cede to none in the love of reading, but when I do the test, I'm a visual learner. I was in a class of Classics people—half archaeologits, half philologists. It spit perfectly down the middle. Archaeologists are not stupider. 2009-02-24 16:15:51 JodiS khatar: French culture values authority way more than U.S. culture 2009-02-24 16:15:53 abarrera BigD-- 2009-02-24 16:15:58 dhanu ok this is going to be totally off topic. but what the heck..... any suggestions about a restaurant to try good new england lobsters within walking distance to the hotel 2009-02-24 16:15:58 JodiS (in my experience, at least) 2009-02-24 16:16:13 LibraryThingT Sure. The train to Portland is just a block away. 2009-02-24 16:16:17 abarrera @kharma bigd 2009-02-24 16:16:19 zoia abarrera: sorry, i'm busy trying to create a code4lib logo using toothpicks and wd-40 in my garage, can you get back to me? 2009-02-24 16:16:24 abarrera err 2009-02-24 16:16:27 abarrera @karma bigd 2009-02-24 16:16:27 zoia abarrera: Karma for "bigd" has been increased 107 times and decreased 14 times for a total karma of 93. 2009-02-24 16:16:30 khatar JodiS, i confirm it... and it's a shame! 2009-02-24 16:16:32 mjg_ dhanu: if you don't get any good responses here, could be there's an answer on the Conference_Buzz wiki page. 2009-02-24 16:16:37 andyashton @dhanu I'm not sure about lobster, but Federal Hill has great seafood (read: fresh oysters & Bombay martinis) 2009-02-24 16:16:39 zoia andyashton: you should read this new o'reilly title. i swear. http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2129/2229790410_31d3ac41dc_o.png 2009-02-24 16:16:46 LibraryThingT Someone Googling for that yet? 2009-02-24 16:16:52 andyashton dhanu I'm not sure about lobster, but Federal Hill has great seafood (read: fresh oysters & Bombay martinis) 2009-02-24 16:16:57 JodiS bdarcus++ (and edsu++ for pointing it out): suggesting FOAF/RDA for Zotero pages: http://groups.google.com/group/bibliographic-ontology-specification-group/browse_thread/thread/c7c017203f3f9a95?pli=1 2009-02-24 16:17:02 khatar i'm very impressed by everything i seen and heard those days 2009-02-24 16:17:11 dhanu mjg & andy: thank, i'll look in to it 2009-02-24 16:17:13 dlovins edsu: my foaf fell out of the attendees page. I changed my hash to "#me", but it looks like the crawler was able to grab the new version ... Any suggestions? 2009-02-24 16:17:15 khatar khatar needs a greeb card ;) 2009-02-24 16:17:24 jtgorman for the folks looking for seafood I'd highly recommend trying to get ahold of some stuffed quhoags if you can 2009-02-24 16:17:24 JodiS dhanu: http://wiki.code4lib.org/index.php/Conference_Buzz has some seafood suggestions, FWIW 2009-02-24 16:17:26 jrochkind100 how are you guys putting images in irc? I didn't know you could do that. 2009-02-24 16:17:47 MrDys jrochkind100: some clients just do it when you paste an img url 2009-02-24 16:17:47 jtgorman jrochkind100: I suspect you're using mibbit and it's doing that for you if the path is right... 2009-02-24 16:17:49 lbjay2k dlovins: maybe others need to update our links to you 2009-02-24 16:17:52 anarchivist jrochkind100: i'm not 2009-02-24 16:17:52 mjg_ jrochkind100: just links. mibbit derefs them 2009-02-24 16:17:53 zoia New news from planetcode4lib: del.icio.us: Automated Databases from the 18th to the 21st Centuries || del.icio.us: code4rda - Google Code || Leggott, Mark: How Silly Can We Get? || Leggott, Mark: Latest Evergreen Release Available 2009-02-24 16:19:53 fak3r shocker: I bookmarked http://fak3r.com on enjoythin.gs 2009-02-24 16:20:07 fak3r gplv2++ 2009-02-24 16:20:11 mjg_ ejlynema++ 2009-02-24 16:20:27 akorphan ematrix++ 2009-02-24 16:20:30 abarrera ncsu++ 2009-02-24 16:20:30 fak3r good presentation 2009-02-24 16:20:49 dueberb ejlynema++ 2009-02-24 16:21:00 edsu dlovins: i guess i need to fix that bug eh? 2009-02-24 16:21:16 ecorrado ejlynema++ 2009-02-24 16:21:21 lbjay2k lbjay2k looks up lightning talk in dictionary and sees ejlynema's 2009-02-24 16:21:25 jtgorman stuffed quahogs I mean 2009-02-24 16:21:26 liza31337 gopher++ 2009-02-24 16:21:29 LibraryThingT Lobster: Warwick is only 7 miles from here. 2009-02-24 16:21:30 khatar JodiS, there are some very good francophone librarians/coders for libraries 2009-02-24 16:21:41 edsu elm =~ data junky 2009-02-24 16:21:49 anarchivist operation_quahog++ 2009-02-24 16:21:53 andyashton directions to Federal Hill: http://tinyurl.com/oystersandmartinis 2009-02-24 16:21:56 lbjay2k LibraryThingTim: you want see food, maybe check out Horton's 2009-02-24 16:21:58 khatar paul poulain, nicolas morin: working at biblibre 2009-02-24 16:21:59 fak3r hammernail mention (shellac) 2009-02-24 16:22:00 jtgorman I don't know how easy they will e to get though..the best one I had were when I did a run through the various beach towns of RI and they where all crab shack type things 2009-02-24 16:22:00 dueberb Frankphone? I got one of those for subscribing to Sports Illustrated. 2009-02-24 16:22:21 khatar and olivier dive from Strasbourg University 2009-02-24 16:22:25 anarchivist dueberb++ 2009-02-24 16:22:25 fak3r code4lib_irc_chan++ 2009-02-24 16:22:27 dlovins edsu: Not sure it's a bug ... and you probably have other things to worry about? 2009-02-24 16:22:31 mjg_ elm looks quite aristotelian with the book up there. 2009-02-24 16:22:40 edsu dlovins: na, i should fix that now that i ave time 2009-02-24 16:22:42 rsinger "White Sox Fans, you just won the national championship!" 2009-02-24 16:22:49 edsu will need to wait for better net connection tho 2009-02-24 16:22:56 LibraryThingT Blogs for french LT competitors—agoradeslivres and the other one. 2009-02-24 16:23:05 ecorrado oysters++ 2009-02-24 16:23:08 dueberb How many ties are in the room other than ELM? 2009-02-24 16:23:11 dlovins edsu: Thanks 2009-02-24 16:23:12 lbjay2k LibraryThingTim: http://www.quahog.org/cuisine/index.php?id=110 2009-02-24 16:23:19 edsu oh we should add librarything to the c4l attendees view 2009-02-24 16:23:31 gsf fak3r: looking at fak3r.com i'm now more surprised you don't know eric goldhagen 2009-02-24 16:23:33 jbrinley dueberb: a quick scan: 0 2009-02-24 16:23:45 gsf fak3r: http://eric.openflows.com/ 2009-02-24 16:23:47 ejk usernamesStartingWithE++ 2009-02-24 16:24:04 emjg_ awesome. 2009-02-24 16:24:05 fak3r boom 2009-02-24 16:24:10 anarchivist ibahn++ 2009-02-24 16:24:19 rsinger @praise ibahn 2009-02-24 16:24:20 zoia ibahn is totally stuck in the present 2009-02-24 16:24:43 LibraryThingT I'm not understandin this one. 2009-02-24 16:24:43 LibraryThingT Lobster: I can't get Google to map it, but Legal Seafood is at 2099 Post Rd, Warwick, RI 02886. 2009-02-24 16:25:16 rsinger LibraryThingTim: probably near the airport, i guess 2009-02-24 16:25:23 LibraryThingT Yeah, map says so. 2009-02-24 16:25:37 LibraryThingT Anyway, just suggesting. It may not be the best, but Legal Seafood is always high-quality. 2009-02-24 16:25:39 fak3r gsf: looks good, I've added him to my enjoysthin.gs account! 2009-02-24 16:26:09 gsf fak3r: ha, cool 2009-02-24 16:26:16 fak3r gsf: also looks like he'd dig one of my other sites: http://lefttochance.com/ 2009-02-24 16:26:17 scolford LibraryThingTim: Unless it's the one in the Prudential Mall, Boston. 2009-02-24 16:26:18 rsinger @ana Despite what you've been told, you are in in Warwick 2009-02-24 16:26:20 zoia rsinger: Peeved, witty boneheads lout 2009-02-24 16:26:25 ruest ibahn-- 2009-02-24 16:26:30 LibraryThingT Really. Sorry. 2009-02-24 16:26:39 fak3r ripped paper plugin 2009-02-24 16:26:50 JodiS who is currently speaking? 2009-02-24 16:27:00 rsinger geoff bilder -- crossref 2009-02-24 16:27:07 fak3r I think his name is renaissance 2009-02-24 16:27:10 JodiS thanks rsinger 2009-02-24 16:27:16 anarchivist MY NAME IS IBAHN 2009-02-24 16:27:19 anarchivist I COME FROM THE FUTURE 2009-02-24 16:27:29 mjg_ geoff the bilder, CAN YOU MINT IT? 2009-02-24 16:27:30 scolford anarchivist++ 2009-02-24 16:27:32 rsinger I AM IBAHN 2009-02-24 16:27:38 rsinger rsinger stands up. 2009-02-24 16:27:43 fak3r I can't remember 2009-02-24 16:28:13 fak3r foo.com - new social bookmarking site? 2009-02-24 16:28:16 anarchivist wir fahn fahn fahn auf der ibahn 2009-02-24 16:28:22 LibraryThingT I'm not convinced link-rot is a big problem. 2009-02-24 16:28:23 anarchivist fak3r: example.com 2009-02-24 16:28:47 edsu and we should all publish in journals -- fuck the web 2009-02-24 16:28:49 LibraryThingT Archive.org and you're done... 2009-02-24 16:28:50 MrDys PSYCHOCERAMICS 2009-02-24 16:28:58 akorphan ADDICT INSANE 2009-02-24 16:29:00 fak3r LibraryThingTim++ 2009-02-24 16:29:02 rsinger @ana pyschoceramics 2009-02-24 16:29:03 anarchivist anarchivist hopes to engage in some psychoceramics later 2009-02-24 16:29:03 MrDys akorphan++ 2009-02-24 16:29:04 zoia rsinger: Hey! Cosmic craps 2009-02-24 16:29:04 gsf @quote add < edsu> and we should all publish in journals -- fuck the web 2009-02-24 16:29:05 zoia gsf: The operation succeeded. Quote #1731 added. 2009-02-24 16:29:18 liza31337 Publishers pay a lot for DOIs 2009-02-24 16:29:20 lbjay zoia++ 2009-02-24 16:29:20 jbrinley @known jbrinley 2009-02-24 16:29:21 zoia jbrinley: I don't know jbrinley's URI 2009-02-24 16:29:26 harmless people keep conflating uri's with primary keys sometimes but not others. 2009-02-24 16:29:35 BigD my urls have a DNR 2009-02-24 16:29:50 LibraryThingT Ha. Good luck. 2009-02-24 16:29:52 edsu cool, author id 2009-02-24 16:30:07 gsf my urls are carved on the walls of caves 2009-02-24 16:30:23 edsu gsf++ 2009-02-24 16:30:25 BigD gsf++ 2009-02-24 16:30:27 fak3r gsf++ 2009-02-24 16:30:30 rsinger HTTP::Cave.py 2009-02-24 16:30:39 jrochkind100 wait, what did he say he didn't like about openid? 2009-02-24 16:30:40 ecorrado caveid 2009-02-24 16:30:47 rsinger Cave::URI.parse 2009-02-24 16:30:48 anarchivist import caveman 2009-02-24 16:30:52 abarrera gsf++ # but caves aren't portable 2009-02-24 16:30:53 fak3r scp -r cave user@backupserver:~ 2009-02-24 16:30:55 akorphan Good caves are persistent. 2009-02-24 16:31:05 rsinger hmmmmmm 2009-02-24 16:31:08 wickr jrochkind100: it's based on domain names/hosting 2009-02-24 16:31:20 rsinger @ana welcome to the dream 2009-02-24 16:31:21 fak3r false! 2009-02-24 16:31:21 zoia rsinger: Elect tame whoredom 2009-02-24 16:31:23 ejk Welcome to the dream 2009-02-24 16:31:24 epoz FYI, there is an initiative to create an academic DOI registry led by German National Science library 2009-02-24 16:31:30 rsinger @dunno add Welcome to the dream. 2009-02-24 16:31:30 zoia rsinger: Error: You must be registered to use this command. If you are already registered, you must either identify (using the identify command) or add a hostmask matching your current hostmask (using the "hostmask add" command). 2009-02-24 16:31:35 LibraryThingT German scientists... 2009-02-24 16:31:57 dueberb not_tailoring_talk_to_your_audience-- 2009-02-24 16:31:59 anarchivist anarchivist reads a scroll of summon undead URIs 2009-02-24 16:32:01 cschx that's the *simplified* illustration? 2009-02-24 16:32:01 fak3r digital divide almost metioned 2009-02-24 16:32:09 MrDys anarchivist++ 2009-02-24 16:32:09 rsinger @dunno add Welcome to the dream. 2009-02-24 16:32:10 zoia rsinger: The operation succeeded. Dunno #300 added. 2009-02-24 16:32:12 LibraryThingT I like a little more tolerance for ambiguity in my metadata. 2009-02-24 16:32:15 atz regular_shpiel-- 2009-02-24 16:32:15 atz regular_shpiel-- 2009-02-24 16:32:17 BigD $19.95! But WAIT! There's More!!! 2009-02-24 16:32:26 fak3r "ask your doctor if ProQuest is right for you" 2009-02-24 16:32:32 rsinger HOW MANY PLATFORMS CAN I SIGN YOU UP FOR TODAY? 2009-02-24 16:32:34 ejk You may know me from such presentations as 2009-02-24 16:32:34 wickr summonWow! 2009-02-24 16:32:34 LibraryThingT Yeah. Summon is a good idea. This talk is too pat. 2009-02-24 16:32:40 liza31337 fak3r++ 2009-02-24 16:32:43 dueberb "Enter summon". There's no nouns in that sentence. 2009-02-24 16:32:51 JodiS fak3r++ 2009-02-24 16:32:53 rsinger WAIT, DON'T ANSWER YET. WHAT IF I ALSO SAID I'D GIVE YOU A JANGLE FOR FREE? 2009-02-24 16:32:53 BigD side effects include... 2009-02-24 16:32:54 anarchivist crickets? 2009-02-24 16:32:57 rsinger STILL INTERESTED? 2009-02-24 16:32:58 mjg_ gbilder++ 2009-02-24 16:32:58 ecorrado nouns-- 2009-02-24 16:32:58 JodiS what's his name? 2009-02-24 16:32:59 scolford fak3r++ 2009-02-24 16:33:02 jbrinley rsinger: less than I was 2009-02-24 16:33:03 atz I summon an Orc Warlord to pummel your ass. 2009-02-24 16:33:03 LibraryThingT John Law. 2009-02-24 16:33:04 atz I summon an Orc Warlord to pummel your ass. 2009-02-24 16:33:13 abarrera if your search takes longer than four hours, please call 911 2009-02-24 16:33:13 anarchivist rsinger: do i need to summon a dongle to get a jangle? 2009-02-24 16:33:14 JodiS epoz: good to know. Got a URL? 2009-02-24 16:33:23 fak3r "Google - search your site" 2009-02-24 16:33:25 akorphan Is this a sales pitch? 2009-02-24 16:33:25 anarchivist anarchivist gives BigD a jangle 2009-02-24 16:33:25 rsinger John Q. Law 2009-02-24 16:33:34 rsinger akorphan: indeed 2009-02-24 16:33:34 jbrinley akorphan: yes 2009-02-24 16:33:34 anarchivist is that royt? 2009-02-24 16:33:36 liza31337 This is why I only give talks to people who don't know how to use irc 2009-02-24 16:33:38 BigD ha! 2009-02-24 16:33:41 LibraryThingT As with the XC thing, Summon is actually a great idea, if expensive. But the style here is grating. 2009-02-24 16:33:41 dhanu is this a GPL product? 2009-02-24 16:33:45 JodiS "no waiting" = short enough. No = 0. Sorry, sales dept. 2009-02-24 16:33:48 lbjay liza31337++ 2009-02-24 16:33:49 akorphan Ooh, someone shout that question out! 2009-02-24 16:33:50 rsinger akorphan: didn't you mention a guatemalan restaurant yesterday? 2009-02-24 16:33:56 anarchivist liza31337++ 2009-02-24 16:33:57 JodiS Summon sound great. But he doesn't know our style, alas 2009-02-24 16:33:58 jrochkind100 obviously the crossref people should provide an openid redirector at their domain. Cause doi resolution is based on a domain too, it's just that hte domain is doi.org/crossref.org 2009-02-24 16:33:59 akorphan rsinger: indeed. Got a car? 2009-02-24 16:34:07 steambadger abarrera++ 2009-02-24 16:34:08 rsinger akorphan: oh, FAIL 2009-02-24 16:34:10 mouwd I'm pretty sure I heard this exact talk in the webcast. 2009-02-24 16:34:13 atz a good *commercial* project. 2009-02-24 16:34:14 atz a good *commercial* project. 2009-02-24 16:34:14 fak3r see, they use a keyhole in the logo, they 'unlock yr data' 2009-02-24 16:34:15 ecorrado it is GPL: Great Pile of Loot 2009-02-24 16:34:15 JodiS rsinger; there's a great Cuban place within walking distance 2009-02-24 16:34:15 LibraryThingT I think a few swear-words would save it. 2009-02-24 16:34:16 rsinger rsinger sighs. 2009-02-24 16:34:18 BigD BigD does not give anarchivist a dongle 2009-02-24 16:34:23 JodiS atz: you're doubled again 2009-02-24 16:34:23 BigD lmnop 2009-02-24 16:34:30 lbjay i thought he said "John Locke" and Summon was going to be a new Dharma station 2009-02-24 16:34:30 cschx are you getting this, camera guy? 2009-02-24 16:34:35 flyingzumwal flyingzumwal has fled to the channel in response to this sales pitch 2009-02-24 16:34:36 anarchivist did he say it implements crotchrot? 2009-02-24 16:34:36 akorphan rsinger: find a friend with a car and set your gps for 1049 Atwells Ave 2009-02-24 16:34:37 gsf the list goes on and on 2009-02-24 16:34:37 fak3r chatting_getting_fast_furious++ 2009-02-24 16:34:37 paulalbert crotchref? 2009-02-24 16:34:40 steambadger If ANYBODY can search our holdings, how will we know who's worthy? 2009-02-24 16:34:41 mjg_ lbjay++ 2009-02-24 16:34:42 abarrera lbjay++ 2009-02-24 16:34:42 jrochkind100 the actual user-interface layer WILL be open source, and replaceable by whatever you want using their APIs. 2009-02-24 16:34:46 edsu gsf: heheh 2009-02-24 16:34:46 fak3r *crickets* 2009-02-24 16:34:51 andyashton rsinger: there is a Guatemalan place out on Atwells Ave, but you'd need a car 2009-02-24 16:34:56 atz .... a search engine? what a great idea! 2009-02-24 16:34:56 atz .... a search engine? what a great idea! 2009-02-24 16:35:03 scolford reading-- 2009-02-24 16:35:04 jrochkind100 But if anyone can figure out a way to aggregate all this metadata from hundreds of publishers and normalize it and such and provide it for free -- then please do and then let me use it. :) 2009-02-24 16:35:08 atz why didn't we think of that before? 2009-02-24 16:35:09 epoz Jodis: hunting for a URL 2009-02-24 16:35:10 LibraryThingT The interface will be open source? Really? 2009-02-24 16:35:11 BillDueber atz: you're doubling 2009-02-24 16:35:11 BillDueber atz: you're doubling 2009-02-24 16:35:11 fak3r really looks like a tv commercial for a new medicine 2009-02-24 16:35:12 JodiS epoz++ 2009-02-24 16:35:22 scolford i mean reading_from_script-- 2009-02-24 16:35:24 JodiS Name of this salesperson? 2009-02-24 16:35:28 ecorrado purple_pill-- 2009-02-24 16:35:32 edsu we will summon dark spirits from the underworld 2009-02-24 16:35:35 LibraryThingT Yeah. this is a hard problem. It's hard because of deep deep dysfunction in the publishing and libray world. But it's hard. So it's worth money. 2009-02-24 16:35:36 fak3r "What am I goind to do with 50 subscriptions to Vibe?" 2009-02-24 16:35:39 jrochkind100 LibraryThingTim: That's what John Law told me on the phone, yeah. And Andrew next to me just confirmed. The interface software will be open source. It will talk via API to their underlying index, which will not be open access or open source. 2009-02-24 16:35:47 LibraryThingT Cool. 2009-02-24 16:35:47 MrDys drat. 2009-02-24 16:35:48 fak3r RT "What am I going to do with 50 subscriptions to Vibe?" 2009-02-24 16:35:48 MrDys http://dysinterested.com/summon.png 2009-02-24 16:35:54 gbilder Yes, but doi.org is *one* piece that can be easily searched/replaced should s*** hit fan. Problem arrises if you have many, many such things to change. 2009-02-24 16:35:54 jrochkind100 You'd think he would have known to highlight that fact presenting at code4lib. 2009-02-24 16:36:03 anarchivist MrDys++ 2009-02-24 16:36:03 JodiS MrDys++ 2009-02-24 16:36:24 chickmarkley catchy 2009-02-24 16:36:24 andyashton remeberingToTurnOffIMBeforeMyTalk++ 2009-02-24 16:36:25 lbjay MrDys++ 2009-02-24 16:36:27 kgs jrochkind100 this is John's first c4l. He's a quite wonderful person and if he doesn't get up there and be all hairy, well, so what. 2009-02-24 16:36:30 mjg_ MrDys++ 2009-02-24 16:36:35 LibraryThingT MrDys: Ouch. 2009-02-24 16:36:37 scolford did he say "internet willie"? 2009-02-24 16:36:38 anarchivist erikhatcher++ 2009-02-24 16:36:39 liza31337 Hey I'm running Nutch right now 2009-02-24 16:36:42 LibraryThingT Did you make that just now? 2009-02-24 16:36:43 anarchivist MrDys: just enjoyed that 2009-02-24 16:36:45 wickr MrDys++ 2009-02-24 16:36:51 jrochkind100 at least he didn't show us a cartoon. I don't need cutesey geekiness, I just need good presentation. 2009-02-24 16:36:56 MrDys LibraryThingTim: world class photoshopper right here 2009-02-24 16:37:10 ejk MrDys++ 2009-02-24 16:37:11 BillDueber "quite periodically" 2009-02-24 16:37:14 anarchivist "creamy milk-java doclet" 2009-02-24 16:37:14 LibraryThingT kgs: I agree. But what is this for if not snark. 2009-02-24 16:37:17 fak3r * * * * /bin/do_something! 2009-02-24 16:37:18 gsf erikhatcher lives for the search 2009-02-24 16:37:20 abarrera MrDys++ 2009-02-24 16:37:23 mib_xxmepy6r anyone with better eyes able to read that URL? 2009-02-24 16:37:27 akorphan mrdys++ # did you just throw that together? 2009-02-24 16:37:34 paulalbert http://www.lucidimagination.com/search/ 2009-02-24 16:37:36 jrochkind100 www.lucidimagination.com 2009-02-24 16:37:37 akorphan lucidimagination.com/search 2009-02-24 16:37:38 BillDueber http://lucidimagination.com/search 2009-02-24 16:37:47 fak3r this is facet-nating 2009-02-24 16:37:48 jtgorman wait, are lightning talks still going on ? 2009-02-24 16:37:49 mib_xxmepy6r kthnksbai 2009-02-24 16:37:49 wickr jbrinley++ 2009-02-24 16:37:50 mjg_ jbrinley++ 2009-02-24 16:38:02 abarrera shammmmwow 2009-02-24 16:38:04 epoz http://www.tib-hannover.de/en/the-tib/doi-registration-agency/ 2009-02-24 16:38:10 mjg_ jtgorman: yup, just started 50m ago 2009-02-24 16:38:11 gsf fak3r++ facetinating 2009-02-24 16:38:19 BigD abarrera: thanks for keeping up 2009-02-24 16:38:20 rsinger ok, thanks akorphan and andyashton 2009-02-24 16:38:26 jrochkind100 bess? You here? Can we do that in blacklight? 2009-02-24 16:38:29 fak3r shammmmmwow kills me 2009-02-24 16:38:31 rsinger guess that will have to wait until there's some wheels 2009-02-24 16:38:45 BillDueber BillDueber is gonna have to do multiselect for vufind now. Dammit. 2009-02-24 16:38:46 akorphan Shamwow dude is hocking something else these days, but I forget what. 2009-02-24 16:38:48 anarchivist i have to admit 2009-02-24 16:38:52 anarchivist i really want a shamwow 2009-02-24 16:38:53 anarchivist r 8 2009-02-24 16:38:56 fak3r though you could do multi facets with solr before? I've seen it done... 2009-02-24 16:38:57 anarchivist s/r/or 2009-02-24 16:39:06 paulalbert akorphan: slapchop 2009-02-24 16:39:15 charper charper fell asleep under a shamwow, almost dehydrated. 2009-02-24 16:39:18 fak3r anarchivist: "hey camerman, keepin' up there?" 2009-02-24 16:39:28 akorphan paulalbert: Oh, right! 2009-02-24 16:39:29 jtgorman anarchivist: ditto..it's a good thing they're not sold in stores, cause I would probably by one 2009-02-24 16:39:30 abarrera BigD: sorry that i'm as slow as you are, when it is your time to pick up the check 2009-02-24 16:39:38 LibraryThingT Dumb question: If Solr can't do it, can't you get down to the Lucene level? 2009-02-24 16:39:39 fak3r "refined taste in spellchecking" 2009-02-24 16:39:43 wickr you guys, it's "you follow me camera guy?" 2009-02-24 16:39:44 liza31337 I don't understand 'eventually open-source.' I start all my OS projects from scratch in the open. 2009-02-24 16:39:45 akorphan So what's the exciting thing about lucidfind? i missed it. 2009-02-24 16:39:46 anarchivist abarrera++ # ucsd pays for everything 2009-02-24 16:39:51 jtgorman anarchivist: I mean, I'd buy one on impulse 2009-02-24 16:39:53 anarchivist liza31337++ 2009-02-24 16:39:53 JodiS who's presenting about lucidfind? 2009-02-24 16:39:54 BigD abarrera: where are you taking me to dinner? 2009-02-24 16:40:05 akorphan Uh, a guy with glasses. 2009-02-24 16:40:06 anarchivist JodiS: erikhatcher 2009-02-24 16:40:06 fak3r bookmark overload 2009-02-24 16:40:10 edsu opensearch++ 2009-02-24 16:40:10 jbrinley akorphan: most of these docs aren't indexed/searchable anywhere else 2009-02-24 16:40:12 rsinger liza31337: me too 2009-02-24 16:40:15 abarrera BigD: dumpster behind the hotel, eat all you want, 2009-02-24 16:40:16 JodiS anarchivist: I've never seen him with glasses 2009-02-24 16:40:19 liza31337 'guy with glasses' really narrows it down 2009-02-24 16:40:22 mjg_ liza31337++ 2009-02-24 16:40:23 akorphan jbrinley: thanks 2009-02-24 16:40:23 rsinger liza31337: warts_from_the_start++ 2009-02-24 16:40:27 edsu the glasses == cool 2009-02-24 16:40:29 fak3r "He probably misses his old glasses" 2009-02-24 16:40:29 gsf LibraryThingTim: yes, if you're willing to dig into solr 2009-02-24 16:40:32 anarchivist anarchivist like's erik's new glasses 2009-02-24 16:40:36 mib_xxmepy6r pro tip... avoid the food court in the mall! 2009-02-24 16:40:39 akorphan turtles_all_the_way_down++ 2009-02-24 16:40:41 JodiS edsu: kinda looked like anarchivist from afar 2009-02-24 16:40:45 jtgorman jtgorman checks the schedule and sees the lightning talks were later than he thought 2009-02-24 16:40:55 anarchivist mib_xxmepy6r: nordstrom cafe is alright 2009-02-24 16:41:01 gsf gsf sheds a tear for lucy 2009-02-24 16:41:06 akorphan mib_xxmepy6r: you didn't go to Surf N Turf, did you? 2009-02-24 16:41:11 LibraryThingT People are really got at keping this under 5 mins. 2009-02-24 16:41:13 gsf lucy: so much promise, so going nowhere 2009-02-24 16:41:15 BillDueber JodiS: I'm pretty sure you just insulted at least one of them. 2009-02-24 16:41:17 anarchivist baby_conferences++ 2009-02-24 16:41:18 rsinger akorphan: lucidimagination is like a support company for lucene/solr 2009-02-24 16:41:27 ejk bacon++ 2009-02-24 16:41:27 akorphan bacon++ 2009-02-24 16:41:28 fak3r inside joke time 2009-02-24 16:41:28 abarrera mmmmmm 2009-02-24 16:41:34 BigD mike! 2009-02-24 16:41:39 JodiS BillDueber: alas, I am rude. though not by choice. 2009-02-24 16:41:40 LibraryThingT Can we avoid the term "metasearch." 2009-02-24 16:41:41 mjg_ presenters: say yer dang names 2009-02-24 16:41:45 abarrera abarrera bets a $20 BigD licks the screen 2009-02-24 16:41:48 JodiS hey, there's our bacon of the day 2009-02-24 16:41:53 anarchivist metasearchical graffiti 2009-02-24 16:41:53 LibraryThingT It's not metasearch. 2009-02-24 16:41:58 ecorrado about time someone put bacon up on the screen 2009-02-24 16:41:59 mjg_ heavy metalsearch. \m/ 2009-02-24 16:42:17 fak3r capitalist 2009-02-24 16:42:20 anarchivist ecorrado: doesn't compare to taping bacon to a cat 2009-02-24 16:42:30 fak3r bacon knows ham... 2009-02-24 16:42:33 ecorrado anarchivist: true 2009-02-24 16:42:39 rsinger anarchivist: why have i never thought to do this? 2009-02-24 16:42:54 LibraryThingT Awesome. 2009-02-24 16:43:01 emcrens Just awesome. 2009-02-24 16:43:01 anarchivist rsinger: because you come from the theatah! 2009-02-24 16:43:02 fak3r that won't scale* 2009-02-24 16:43:09 mjg_ HUNGRY 2009-02-24 16:43:13 BillDueber Think about "Don't Panic" in big red letters 2009-02-24 16:43:13 LibraryThingT Wonderful website. 2009-02-24 16:43:18 paulalbert hiss!!! 2009-02-24 16:43:18 ejk thisiswhyyourefat.com++ 2009-02-24 16:43:22 LibraryThingT Good. Humor is good. 2009-02-24 16:43:23 JodiS Content + humor FTW 2009-02-24 16:43:28 BigD abarrera just rushed the screeb 2009-02-24 16:43:29 anarchivist thisiswhyyourefat.com++ 2009-02-24 16:43:30 ecorrado reminds me of the greese trucks on college ave 2009-02-24 16:43:40 jtgorman jtgorman tries to pretend he's in the audience, but fails 2009-02-24 16:43:41 abarrera grease_trucks++ 2009-02-24 16:43:42 liza31337 zed++ 2009-02-24 16:43:47 mjg_ grease_trucks++ 2009-02-24 16:43:48 edsu MikeTaylor++ 2009-02-24 16:43:48 akorphan mjg_ didn't have a big enough sandwich at lunch. 2009-02-24 16:43:49 anarchivist http://thisiswhyyourefat.com/post/78824397/the-mcnuggetini-a-mcdonalds-chocolate-milkshake 2009-02-24 16:43:53 JodiS @ana refined taste in spellchecking 2009-02-24 16:43:55 zoia JodiS: Fleeting, dance-like sphincters 2009-02-24 16:43:59 anarchivist zoia-- 2009-02-24 16:44:07 JodiS zoia's gotten good at the anagram 2009-02-24 16:44:13 scolford thisiswhyyourefat.com++ 2009-02-24 16:44:16 fak3r tab space wonky 2009-02-24 16:44:17 rsinger y'know -- why reinvent YAML? 2009-02-24 16:44:22 liza31337 See, spaces over tabs 2009-02-24 16:44:31 JodiS what is this 1=1016? 2009-02-24 16:44:32 fak3r thisiswhyyourcolumsarefat.com 2009-02-24 16:44:37 jfereira MikeTaylor++ 2009-02-24 16:44:37 JodiS fak3r++ 2009-02-24 16:44:40 mjg_ Ford Torus 2009-02-24 16:44:42 fak3r it's tArus 2009-02-24 16:44:42 rsinger JodiS: THAT IS YR PQN 2009-02-24 16:44:43 JodiS MikeTaylor++ 2009-02-24 16:44:45 liza31337 fak3r++ 2009-02-24 16:44:51 ecorrado space++ 2009-02-24 16:45:05 rsinger JodiS: SURCHIN YR RPN ZED TARGETS 2009-02-24 16:45:18 jbrinley drupal+food tonight, right? 2009-02-24 16:45:23 dbs IN SOVIET RUSSIA, THE NOTATION REVERSES YOU 2009-02-24 16:45:24 rsinger @kgs Those are Bib-1 Attributes 2009-02-24 16:45:24 zoia rsinger: nosrsly, Those are Bib-1 Attributes 2009-02-24 16:45:26 anarchivist anarchivist should have talked about NYPLES 2009-02-24 16:45:32 fak3r jbrinley++ 2009-02-24 16:45:35 jtgorman `dbs: I thought that was poland 2009-02-24 16:45:46 ecorrado IN SOCIET RUSSIA, BACON EATS YOU 2009-02-24 16:45:46 abarrera http://thisiswhyyourefat.com/post/81130102/chicken-fried-bacon-with-gravy-submitted-by 2009-02-24 16:45:52 jfereira drupal+food, where? 2009-02-24 16:45:53 fak3r in soviet russia, talks lighting you 2009-02-24 16:46:17 MrDys lightning talk cheat 2009-02-24 16:46:19 fak3r cheating-- 2009-02-24 16:46:19 andyashton wait a minute...this is cheating! 2009-02-24 16:46:20 LibraryThingT A new method! 2009-02-24 16:46:21 BillDueber Oooo. Chained Lightening Talks 2009-02-24 16:46:24 mib_xxmepy6r i can haz metasearchin'? 2009-02-24 16:46:28 fak3r lets all walk out in protest 2009-02-24 16:46:28 jbrinley drupal+food: lobby at 18:00? 2009-02-24 16:46:32 andyashton BillDueber++ 2009-02-24 16:46:33 liza31337 FOUR MINUTES 2009-02-24 16:46:35 LibraryThingT How many employees does LibraryThing have here? Hmm..... 2009-02-24 16:46:36 MrDys @whatis chain lightning 2009-02-24 16:46:38 fak3r OO.org ftw 2009-02-24 16:46:39 edsu index_data++ # gaming the system 2009-02-24 16:46:39 zoia MrDys: ' lastAlbum: \'\' Prime Time\'\'
(1977); released: 1978; abstract: All trracks composed by Don McLean; except where indicated "Words and Music" "Crying" (Roy Orbison, Joe Melson) "It\'s Just the Sun" "Lotta Lovin\'" "Chain Lightning" "Your Cheatin\' Heart" "Wonderful Night" "It Doesn\'t Matter Anymore" "Since I Don\'t Have You" "Genesis " "It\'s a Beautiful (2 more messages) 2009-02-24 16:46:40 JodiS PDF talks recommended 2009-02-24 16:46:46 cbarr Does anyone know how much a ticket for Tokyo Police Club show is? 2009-02-24 16:46:48 steambadger Tag team lightening talks 2009-02-24 16:46:51 anarchivist pdf++ 2009-02-24 16:46:54 fak3r cbarr: 9.95$ 2009-02-24 16:46:57 akorphan resolution_mismatch-- 2009-02-24 16:47:00 andyashton Cue Jeopardy theme 2009-02-24 16:47:01 LibraryThingT I'm going to do two, one in an English accent. 2009-02-24 16:47:07 dbs STEAL INDEXDATA'S CODE TO PUNISH THEM! 2009-02-24 16:47:14 ejk I'm up for drupal+food. 2009-02-24 16:47:20 fak3r I'm still up for rawk show - not sure how late it'll be though 2 opening bands 2009-02-24 16:47:21 JodiS LibraryThingTim: only if you come up with a costume so we can't tell you're the same person both times 2009-02-24 16:47:38 fak3r ejk: drupal with food module installed has been approved 2009-02-24 16:47:41 jbrinley JodiS: he just needs glasses/no glasses 2009-02-24 16:47:41 LibraryThingT If I wear a dress, Code4Lib owes me an extra minute. 2009-02-24 16:47:41 mib_xxmepy6r where is tokyo police playing? 2009-02-24 16:47:48 BillDueber jbrinley++ 2009-02-24 16:47:49 anarchivist mib_xxmepy6r: lupos 2009-02-24 16:47:50 JodiS jbrinley: good thought 2009-02-24 16:47:52 abarrera LibraryThingTim: I suggest a darth vader costume with an OCLC t-shirt on 2009-02-24 16:48:01 lbjay this is bogus. i'm going to go hang with gsf's gf. 2009-02-24 16:48:02 BillDueber LibraryThingTim: If you wear a dress, you'll have no audience 2009-02-24 16:48:07 jrochkind100 that torus thing is neat. 2009-02-24 16:48:08 zoia New news from planetcode4lib: Chudnov, Dan: code4lib 2009 talk on caching and proxying linked data 2009-02-24 16:48:09 rsinger LibraryThingTim: if you wear a dress, you get 5 minutes in a dress 2009-02-24 16:48:09 JodiS real tori! :) 2009-02-24 16:48:10 fak3r mib_xxmepy6r: lupo's, it's about 3/4 of the way to trinity brew 2009-02-24 16:48:17 jrochkind100 what's the business model for this? How do I use it? 2009-02-24 16:48:19 royt anyone catch this guy's name? 2009-02-24 16:48:19 JodiS so what are these tori? 2009-02-24 16:48:21 scolford LibraryThingTim: I get to do your makeup. 2009-02-24 16:48:26 anarchivist JodiS: donuts 2009-02-24 16:48:30 fak3r royt: hans? 2009-02-24 16:48:32 LibraryThingT It's too bad this isn't about fusion toruses. 2009-02-24 16:48:32 akorphan bagels 2009-02-24 16:48:33 dlovins Inner tubes 2009-02-24 16:48:39 liza31337 Last time I was at Lupo's was like 10+ years ago 2009-02-24 16:48:39 royt fak3r: thks 2009-02-24 16:48:42 jfereira inner tubers 2009-02-24 16:48:48 JodiS anarchivist: no, what ARE they (I know what a torus is... bacon donuts notwithstanding) 2009-02-24 16:48:52 akorphan Liza31337: It's at the Strand now. 2009-02-24 16:48:55 lbjay 3. Donuts 2009-02-24 16:48:58 fak3r liza31337: think it's a late show? 2009-02-24 16:48:59 akorphan The old building was condemned or something. 2009-02-24 16:49:12 jstroop nyc.code4lib-ers, is there a plan for this evening? 2009-02-24 16:49:13 LibraryThingT Anyone know the best bookstores in town? Independent or used. 2009-02-24 16:49:16 anarchivist JodiS: they represent search targets 2009-02-24 16:49:17 rsinger lbjay: i think that was valid ruby you just typed 2009-02-24 16:49:18 liza31337 I can believe that 2009-02-24 16:49:22 rsinger 3.donuts.eated 2009-02-24 16:49:24 bess anyone else feeling overwhelmed by all this? I already had a pretty heavy workload, now I have a notebook full of new technologies to learn, people to write to, stuff to try. I guess it's a good problem to have, but damn I need a glass of wine. 2009-02-24 16:49:28 BillDueber JodiS: As near as I can tell, name=value pairs with individual values overridable 2009-02-24 16:49:30 MrDys LibraryThingTim: I think there's a couple on the googlemap that's linked on the conf buzz wiki page 2009-02-24 16:49:30 gbilder Cellar stories is good used bookstore. 2009-02-24 16:49:33 lbjay lbjay adds ruby to resume 2009-02-24 16:49:34 mib_xxmepy6r Lupo's Heartbreak Hotel www.lupos.com 79 Washington St 2009-02-24 16:49:37 fak3r bess: yes, bring back some cartoons 2009-02-24 16:49:39 akorphan LibraryThingTim: Cellar Stories, downcity 2009-02-24 16:49:46 akorphan or, kind of downcity. 2009-02-24 16:49:47 fak3r power_puff_girls++ 2009-02-24 16:49:49 JodiS BillDueber ok, that fits with the 1=2078 thing from before which I didn't get 2009-02-24 16:49:58 rsinger APIs SUCK! 2009-02-24 16:49:59 harmless FYI we're opensourcing this 2009-02-24 16:50:00 anarchivist z39.50++ 2009-02-24 16:50:02 jtgorman bess: i'm always feeling behind on the tehcnology curve ;) 2009-02-24 16:50:05 anarchivist harmless++ 2009-02-24 16:50:08 anarchivist indexdata++ 2009-02-24 16:50:16 MrDys zed39.50++ 2009-02-24 16:50:19 BillDueber @karma z39.50 2009-02-24 16:50:20 zoia BillDueber: Karma for "z39.50" has been increased 3 times and decreased 4 times for a total karma of -1. 2009-02-24 16:50:28 anarchivist @canuck z39.50 2009-02-24 16:50:30 fak3r "My husband, some hotshot, here's his ancient Chinese secret!" 2009-02-24 16:50:30 zoia anarchivist: zed39.50, eh? 2009-02-24 16:50:31 mjg_ bess++ # wine. 2009-02-24 16:50:36 steambadger I want my search data wrapped in a ten-dimensional torus. 2009-02-24 16:50:37 harmless And that was skoczko 2009-02-24 16:50:43 fak3r lead with the positive! 2009-02-24 16:50:44 anarchivist YES 2009-02-24 16:50:45 lbjay yes! 2009-02-24 16:50:45 fak3r ;) 2009-02-24 16:50:46 akorphan bad_idea++ 2009-02-24 16:50:46 scolford mbklein++ 2009-02-24 16:50:48 LibraryThingT LibraryThing Local page is all libraries. Need more bookstores. (http://www.librarything.com/local/place/Providence,%20RI) 2009-02-24 16:50:48 rsinger THIS IS ON 2009-02-24 16:50:51 abarrera mbklein++ 2009-02-24 16:50:52 JodiS who was the second index data speaker, following Mike Taylor? 2009-02-24 16:50:52 akorphan HI MOM! 2009-02-24 16:50:54 ejk ruh-roh 2009-02-24 16:50:56 fak3r hello? can you see me now? 2009-02-24 16:50:56 BillDueber Bad Idea Jeans 2009-02-24 16:50:57 bess mbklein++ 2009-02-24 16:50:59 BigD DONKEY KONG! 2009-02-24 16:51:00 lbjay what could go wrong? 2009-02-24 16:51:04 fak3r *smiles* 2009-02-24 16:51:06 abarrera dongle 2009-02-24 16:51:13 LibraryThingT Why is this onscreen? 2009-02-24 16:51:14 ecorrado nothing can go wrong 2009-02-24 16:51:20 edsu @tardis yesterday 2009-02-24 16:51:21 zoia edsu: When Do Make Met Say Think? 2009-02-24 16:51:22 LibraryThingT RDF irritates me 2009-02-24 16:51:24 wickr LibraryThingTim: they're going to show the plugin 2009-02-24 16:51:26 steambadger It's all perfectly simple 2009-02-24 16:51:29 harmless JodiS: Jakub Skoczen 2009-02-24 16:51:31 edsu LibraryThingTim: you irritate me 2009-02-24 16:51:32 ecorrado @karma blank_sceen 2009-02-24 16:51:33 zoia ecorrado: blank_sceen has neutral karma. 2009-02-24 16:51:35 fak3r realm mentioned 2009-02-24 16:51:36 JodiS harmless++ 2009-02-24 16:51:38 JodiS tap-tap-tap... is this thing on? 2009-02-24 16:51:49 anarchivist michaeldb++ #thanks for emailing BT 2009-02-24 16:51:53 fak3r contrast setting bad? 2009-02-24 16:51:55 michaeldb no problem 2009-02-24 16:51:59 akorphan you may be talking about the same verb, but are you using that token to represent the same action? 2009-02-24 16:52:04 LibraryThingT :arrow to heart 2009-02-24 16:52:07 fak3r "what could go wrong?" 2009-02-24 16:52:07 akorphan fail++ 2009-02-24 16:52:08 BillDueber Supreme > Epic? 2009-02-24 16:52:14 michaeldb anarchivist++ # thanks for thanking me? :) 2009-02-24 16:52:14 wtd IRC FAIL. 2009-02-24 16:52:14 edsu LibraryThingTim: nothing personal ;-) 2009-02-24 16:52:15 fak3r YHF 2009-02-24 16:52:15 ecorrado the irc gods know this is a bad idea 2009-02-24 16:52:17 BigD anarchivist should be giving this talk too 2009-02-24 16:52:22 anarchivist BigD++ 2009-02-24 16:52:28 scolford smile and show your legs mbklein! 2009-02-24 16:52:28 abarrera computer switch < IBAHN 2009-02-24 16:52:29 fak3r can you see ok from the back? 2009-02-24 16:52:29 akorphan I blame ibahn 2009-02-24 16:52:29 steambadger Everybody log off as soon as they get the projector up. 2009-02-24 16:52:32 ejk Should have used a mac 2009-02-24 16:52:33 rsinger edsu: I find you a major asshole 2009-02-24 16:52:33 zoia /me does warmup exercises 2009-02-24 16:52:36 rsinger edsu: nothing personal 2009-02-24 16:52:39 jrochkind100 he warned us it was a bad idea. 2009-02-24 16:52:44 fak3r :) 2009-02-24 16:52:45 edsu rsinger: no argument 2009-02-24 16:52:46 anarchivist oclc: monetizing #code4lib since 2006 2009-02-24 16:52:48 mjg_ royt to the rescue 2009-02-24 16:52:51 BigD he set low expectations 2009-02-24 16:52:57 BigD and met them 2009-02-24 16:53:01 BillDueber royt springs -- springs I tell you! -- into action 2009-02-24 16:53:02 rsinger edsu: also you dont know shit about the work of steve perry 2009-02-24 16:53:03 akorphan AUGH! 2009-02-24 16:53:04 mib_xxmepy6r IN SOVIET RUSSIA LIGHTNING TALK IS ON IRC CHANNEL 2009-02-24 16:53:04 abarrera Foaf = BigD's dinner 2009-02-24 16:53:04 ecorrado hi kat3 2009-02-24 16:53:06 fak3r sliced foaf++ 2009-02-24 16:53:07 rsinger oops 2009-02-24 16:53:08 anarchivist STEVE PERRY 2009-02-24 16:53:10 fak3r :) 2009-02-24 16:53:12 mjg_ FONT UP. 2009-02-24 16:53:13 royt zoia say "Hi" 2009-02-24 16:53:14 zoia royt: Error: You must be registered to use this command. If you are already registered, you must either identify (using the identify command) or add a hostmask matching your current hostmask (using the "hostmask add" command). 2009-02-24 16:53:15 LibraryThingT Hey mom. 2009-02-24 16:53:15 emcrens Can I just say this is the first time I've been on TV? 2009-02-24 16:53:16 akorphan If you can read this, you're sitting too close. 2009-02-24 16:53:18 wtd Hi Mom! 2009-02-24 16:53:23 JodiS akorphan++ 2009-02-24 16:53:25 mikeybe im going to disneyland!!! 2009-02-24 16:53:27 anarchivist u can't multitouch this 2009-02-24 16:53:34 JodiS @knows mbklein jbrinley 2009-02-24 16:53:35 zoia JodiS: I don't know jbrinley's URI 2009-02-24 16:53:36 wickr akorphan: I'm in the back though 2009-02-24 16:53:36 fak3r hey, I'm on tv! 2009-02-24 16:53:39 BigD what's for dinner? 2009-02-24 16:53:39 scolford mbklein nose jbrimley 2009-02-24 16:53:40 akorphan I can see my house from here! 2009-02-24 16:53:41 mjg_ mbklein: putting the FAIL in FOAF since 2009. 2009-02-24 16:53:45 JodiS @known 2009-02-24 16:53:45 erikhatcher jbrinley++ 2009-02-24 16:53:46 zoia zoia JodiS: I know URIs for the following users: Baroquem, BigD, BillDueber, JodiS, MrDys, abarrera, akorphan, anarchivist, bess, cazzerson, cbeer, charper, ejk, escowles, fak3r, flighty, gsf, kgs, ksclarke, lbjay, mbklein, mjg_, pmurray, ranti, royt, rsinger, scolford, wickr, wtd, zoia 2009-02-24 16:53:47 fak3r bots++ 2009-02-24 16:53:50 atz now i don't have to ask if my posts are doubling up 2009-02-24 16:53:51 JodiS JodiS waves to zoia 2009-02-24 16:53:51 abarrera @insult zoia 2009-02-24 16:53:52 royt @pirate [sing [randtune]] 2009-02-24 16:53:53 zoia zoia: You are nothing but a weather-bitten assload of inept snake. 2009-02-24 16:53:53 paulalbert If you can read me on the screen, you have bionic vision. 2009-02-24 16:53:55 akorphan @karma zoia 2009-02-24 16:53:56 zoia akorphan: Karma for "zoia" has been increased 538 times and decreased 153 times for a total karma of 385. 2009-02-24 16:53:57 zoia royt: No lyrics fer We will never happen it Out by Saturday Looks jolly to Me. Searched lyricwiki & lyricsty 2009-02-24 16:54:04 zoia zoia waves 2009-02-24 16:54:06 fak3r can you hear me know? 2009-02-24 16:54:06 steambadger Is this thing on? 2009-02-24 16:54:09 zoia i am updating my foaf profile right now!!!! 2009-02-24 16:54:15 JodiS zoia++ 2009-02-24 16:54:17 BigD snarky comment 2009-02-24 16:54:18 lbjay jbrinley++ mbklein++ 2009-02-24 16:54:21 LibraryThingT Right. 1/6 of people. 2009-02-24 16:54:22 mjg_ @sing steve perry : Oh Shery 2009-02-24 16:54:22 JodiS @know mbklein zoia 2009-02-24 16:54:23 zoia JodiS: Error: 'zoia' is not a valid url. 2009-02-24 16:54:24 royt @know http://jbrinley.xplus3.net/id/ 2009-02-24 16:54:25 zoia isn't mbklein dreamy???? 2009-02-24 16:54:26 zoia mjg_: No lyrics for Oh Shery by steve perry. Searched lyricwiki & lyricsty 2009-02-24 16:54:26 steambadger Hey, see that little green spot up there? That's me! 2009-02-24 16:54:28 zoia royt: royt's URI is now 2009-02-24 16:54:28 fak3r steve perry-- 2009-02-24 16:54:30 abarrera they know each other in the biblical sense 2009-02-24 16:54:30 MikeTaylor If anyone wants to download the Torus presentation, you can get it from http://www.miketaylor.org.uk/tmp/torus.ppt 2009-02-24 16:54:31 mjg_ @sing steve perry : Oh Sherrie 2009-02-24 16:54:33 zoia Oh I must've been a dreamer (a dreamer, oh) / And I must've been someone else (someone else) / And we should've been over (by now) / Oh Sherrie, our love 2009-02-24 16:54:34 JodiS @knows mbklein zoia 2009-02-24 16:54:35 wtd @knows wtd edsu 2009-02-24 16:54:35 zoia wtd: I don't know edsu's URI 2009-02-24 16:54:36 zoia JodiS: mbklein does not know zoia, but zoia knows mbklein. 2009-02-24 16:54:38 fak3r I odn't g 2009-02-24 16:54:39 scolford @known scolford zoia 2009-02-24 16:54:40 zoia scolford: (known []) -- Returns the URI associated with the given nick. Defaults to the calling user. If no nick given, returns a list of nicks which have an associated URI. 2009-02-24 16:54:41 mjg_ @knows mbklein mjg_ 2009-02-24 16:54:42 zoia mjg_: mbklein and mjg_ know each other. 2009-02-24 16:54:45 royt @knows royt mbklein 2009-02-24 16:54:47 zoia royt: royt and mbklein know each other. 2009-02-24 16:54:48 zoia everyone shut up for a second 2009-02-24 16:54:49 gsf jbrinley: can you font up? 2009-02-24 16:54:56 rsinger @foaf mbklein interests 2009-02-24 16:54:57 zoia rsinger: mbklein : 2009-02-24 16:55:02 mjg_ @know soup for mbklein 2009-02-24 16:55:03 zoia mjg_: Error: 'for' is not a valid url. 2009-02-24 16:55:03 fak3r bigger font ftw 2009-02-24 16:55:12 gsf @foaf interests mbklein 2009-02-24 16:55:13 akorphan @no zoia bad bot no cookie 2009-02-24 16:55:13 zoia gsf: I don't know interests's URI. 2009-02-24 16:55:14 royt @forget royt 2009-02-24 16:55:14 zoia akorphan: shut up and read your ngc4lib 2009-02-24 16:55:16 BigD @known 2009-02-24 16:55:16 zoia royt: OK, I've forgotten royt's URI 2009-02-24 16:55:16 abarrera @knows code4lib roythong 2009-02-24 16:55:17 rsinger @foaf mbklein interest 2009-02-24 16:55:17 smkiewel @know http://www.unyeildingloyalty.com/shawn/foaf.rdf#me 2009-02-24 16:55:17 zoia zoia BigD: I know URIs for the following users: Baroquem, BigD, BillDueber, JodiS, MrDys, abarrera, akorphan, anarchivist, bess, cazzerson, cbeer, charper, ejk, escowles, fak3r, flighty, gsf, kgs, ksclarke, lbjay, mbklein, mjg_, pmurray, ranti, rsinger, scolford, wickr, wtd, zoia 2009-02-24 16:55:17 lbjay @wordstats font 2009-02-24 16:55:19 zoia abarrera: I don't know code4lib's URI 2009-02-24 16:55:20 zoia smkiewel: smkiewel's URI is now 2009-02-24 16:55:20 zoia rsinger: mbklein : , , , , , , , , , (1 more message) 2009-02-24 16:55:21 paulalbert OPTION-COMMAND-EQUALS (zoom function) 2009-02-24 16:55:22 royt @known 2009-02-24 16:55:23 zoia lbjay: Top 3 "font"ers (out of a total of 6 "font"s seen): JodiS: 3, gsf: 2, and lbjay: 1. 2009-02-24 16:55:24 fak3r why am I watching the screen up there? 2009-02-24 16:55:25 zoia zoia royt: I know URIs for the following users: Baroquem, BigD, BillDueber, JodiS, MrDys, abarrera, akorphan, anarchivist, bess, cazzerson, cbeer, charper, ejk, escowles, fak3r, flighty, gsf, kgs, ksclarke, lbjay, mbklein, mjg_, pmurray, ranti, rsinger, scolford, smkiewel, wickr, wtd, zoia 2009-02-24 16:55:25 MikeTaylor This stupid zoia person keeps chipping in all the time and ruining the demo. 2009-02-24 16:55:29 skoczko @known 2009-02-24 16:55:29 zoia zoia skoczko: I know URIs for the following users: Baroquem, BigD, BillDueber, JodiS, MrDys, abarrera, akorphan, anarchivist, bess, cazzerson, cbeer, charper, ejk, escowles, fak3r, flighty, gsf, kgs, ksclarke, lbjay, mbklein, mjg_, pmurray, ranti, rsinger, scolford, smkiewel, wickr, wtd, zoia 2009-02-24 16:55:31 akorphan dark_blue_on_black-- 2009-02-24 16:55:31 royt @known mbklein 2009-02-24 16:55:32 rsinger ASTRONOMY?! What a nerd 2009-02-24 16:55:33 zoia royt: mbklein's URI is 2009-02-24 16:55:34 mjg_ GOOD GOD I'M DROWNING IN FOAF 2009-02-24 16:55:35 fak3r @known fak3r 2009-02-24 16:55:36 zoia fak3r: fak3r's URI is 2009-02-24 16:55:39 anarchivist hyper-meta-meta-cokebottle-i 2009-02-24 16:55:40 cbeer dark_blue_on_black-- 2009-02-24 16:55:41 royt @foaf knows mbklein 2009-02-24 16:55:41 zoia royt: (foaf knows ) -- Determines if the two given nicks know each other based on their registered FOAFs. 2009-02-24 16:55:46 lbjay "Help, I'm trapped in a tiny IRC channel" 2009-02-24 16:55:48 fak3r #foaf interests fak3r 2009-02-24 16:55:50 royt @foaf interest mbklein 2009-02-24 16:55:51 zoia royt: I don't know interest's URI. 2009-02-24 16:55:51 dlovins @known dlovins 2009-02-24 16:55:52 BigD @foaf interests 2009-02-24 16:55:53 zoia dlovins: I don't know dlovins's URI 2009-02-24 16:55:54 zoia BigD: (foaf ) -- Returns the objects of the given predicate in the given nick's FOAF. 2009-02-24 16:55:58 wtd This isn't geeky enough. I thought this conference was about geekery. 2009-02-24 16:56:00 royt @foaf mbklein interest 2009-02-24 16:56:01 zoia royt: mbklein : , , , , , , , , , (1 more message) 2009-02-24 16:56:09 mib_xxmepy6r <--- never knew zoia was a bot... just assumed she was very knowledgable 2009-02-24 16:56:10 fak3r #foaf fak3r interest 2009-02-24 16:56:11 BigD foe of a foe file 2009-02-24 16:56:12 mjg_ Foafbusters! 2009-02-24 16:56:15 Timmcgeary hey I'm using this on my iTouch!!!! 2009-02-24 16:56:16 LibraryThingT Hey, I've represented human relationships in a binary way! 2009-02-24 16:56:16 lbjay bye 2009-02-24 16:56:18 mjg_ BigD++ 2009-02-24 16:56:18 liza31337 Say all the snarky things in blue font 2009-02-24 16:56:22 akorphan big_screen_irc++ 2009-02-24 16:56:26 fak3r I ain't afraid of no foaf! 2009-02-24 16:56:30 abarrera @insult foaf 2009-02-24 16:56:31 mib_f91rqxja @foaf common escowles BigD 2009-02-24 16:56:31 anarchivist when i think about youtube iTouch myself 2009-02-24 16:56:33 zoia foaf: You are nothing but a warped coagulation of elf-skinned assholes. 2009-02-24 16:56:34 zoia mib_f91rqxja: Error: I tried to send you an empty message. 2009-02-24 16:56:38 steambadger Are they gone? 2009-02-24 16:56:38 mjg_ @sing Meatfoaf 2009-02-24 16:56:40 fak3r anarchivist++ 2009-02-24 16:56:40 zoia mjg_: No songs found by Meatfoaf 2009-02-24 16:56:43 zoia royt: you're smarter about foaf than you look 2009-02-24 16:56:44 akorphan @karma dark_blue_on_black 2009-02-24 16:56:45 zoia akorphan: Karma for "dark_blue_on_black" has been increased 0 times and decreased 3 times for a total karma of -3. 2009-02-24 16:56:55 fak3r that's false 2009-02-24 16:56:57 jstroop @know http://anearalone.com/foaf.rdf#me 2009-02-24 16:56:58 zoia jstroop: jstroop's URI is now 2009-02-24 16:56:58 lbjay royt: you got salted! 2009-02-24 16:56:58 mjg_ royt: burn. 2009-02-24 16:57:01 LibraryThingT snort 2009-02-24 16:57:05 mib_xxmepy6r @sing tom waits 2009-02-24 16:57:06 BillDueber STD: Unfortunate acronym 2009-02-24 16:57:09 zoia He has no friends / His lawn is dying / And what are those packages he sends? / What's he building in there? 2009-02-24 16:57:15 edsu damn, i didn't know the STG still existed 2009-02-24 16:57:15 jbrinley royt: sorry, you'll have to fix your uri 2009-02-24 16:57:33 anarchivist bibliophile! 2009-02-24 16:57:37 asnagy @know http://andrew.webitecture.org/foaf.rdf#me 2009-02-24 16:57:37 zoia asnagy: asnagy's URI is now 2009-02-24 16:57:38 gsf i'm impressed that @mf didn't show up during that demo 2009-02-24 16:57:38 liza31337 @know http://threepress.org/static/foaf.rdf#me 2009-02-24 16:57:39 zoia liza31337: liza31337's URI is now 2009-02-24 16:57:44 LibraryThingT bibulous. 2009-02-24 16:57:45 dbs gsf++ 2009-02-24 16:57:50 jphipps @know http://managemetadata/jon/foaf.rdf#me 2009-02-24 16:57:50 zoia jphipps: jphipps's URI is now 2009-02-24 16:57:51 mjg_ gsf++ # forgot :( 2009-02-24 16:57:53 abarrera BigD @eat meatloaf 2009-02-24 16:57:54 dlovins Who's speaking now? 2009-02-24 16:58:03 akorphan Some guy with facial hair. 2009-02-24 16:58:07 fak3r dlovins: eric from brown 2009-02-24 16:58:07 ecorrado @know http://ecorrado.us/foaf.rdf#me 2009-02-24 16:58:08 zoia ecorrado: ecorrado's URI is now 2009-02-24 16:58:09 kgs @lolz [wunder pvd] 2009-02-24 16:58:11 cbeer @karma xforms 2009-02-24 16:58:11 zoia cbeer: Karma for "xforms" has been increased 2 times and decreased 0 times for a total karma of 2. 2009-02-24 16:58:12 BillDueber dlovins: andyashton 2009-02-24 16:58:12 zoia kgs: TEH CURRENT TEMPERACHUR IN PROVIDENCE, RHODE ISLAND IZ 33.8°F (4:51 PM EST ON FEBRUARY 24, 2009). CONDISHUNS: PARTLY CLOUDY. HUMIDITY: 34%. DEW POINT: 8.6°F. WINDCHILL: 24.8°F. PRESURE: 30.21 IN 1023 HPA (RISIN). 2009-02-24 16:58:15 mjg_ andyashton I believe his name is? 2009-02-24 16:58:18 rsinger @sing journey : who's cryin' now 2009-02-24 16:58:21 zoia Love will survive somehow, some way / One love feeds the fire / One heart burns desire / I wonder who's crying now 2009-02-24 16:58:22 mbklein mbklein sighs 2009-02-24 16:58:26 dlovins BillDueber: Thanks. 2009-02-24 16:58:31 mpark Andy Ashton 2009-02-24 16:58:34 dbs mbklein+_ 2009-02-24 16:58:38 dbs err, mbklein++ 2009-02-24 16:58:39 JodiS mpark++ 2009-02-24 16:58:41 lbjay demos_on_localhost++ 2009-02-24 16:58:43 rsinger edsu: couldn't you just hear the neil schon all over that?! 2009-02-24 16:58:47 jbrinley sorry for the problems, everyone. It would have been much bigger if my computer worked. 2009-02-24 16:58:49 fak3r anyone know the guys nick? 2009-02-24 16:58:49 scolford mbklein: I was expecting a patter song. 2009-02-24 16:58:53 atz @knoa http://arwen.metavore.com/~atz/foaf.rdf 2009-02-24 16:58:55 zoia atz: Is that some kind of lame attempt at witty banter? Whatevs. 2009-02-24 16:58:56 ecorrado book give away coming up! 2009-02-24 16:58:58 mjg_ http://lackoftalent.org/michael/linkeddata.html 2009-02-24 16:59:00 fak3r tell him to open the mibbit tab! 2009-02-24 16:59:01 lbjay @insult jbrinley's computer 2009-02-24 16:59:01 zoia jbrinley's computer: You are nothing but a low-quality accumulation of evil hair. 2009-02-24 16:59:02 BigD mpark-- for leaving me at the airport 2009-02-24 16:59:03 rsinger andyashton: ping 2009-02-24 16:59:03 BigD ;) 2009-02-24 16:59:05 mib_xxmepy6r @sing rick astley 2009-02-24 16:59:05 atz @know http://arwen.metavore.com/~atz/foaf.rdf 2009-02-24 16:59:06 zoia atz: atz's URI is now 2009-02-24 16:59:07 rsinger no growl 2009-02-24 16:59:09 zoia It's much to late for you to change your ways / I can't keep holding on expecting you to stay / When you're all alone and if you're feeling down / I'll be, I'll be around 2009-02-24 16:59:12 LibraryThingT np. interesting idea, even if I disagree with FOAF. 2009-02-24 16:59:15 anarchivist mjg_++ 2009-02-24 16:59:15 jbrinley @ana accumulation of evil hair 2009-02-24 16:59:15 fak3r BigD++ 2009-02-24 16:59:16 zoia jbrinley: Humiliate laconic favour 2009-02-24 16:59:19 akorphan ecorrado: my %$@%!#% foaf still won't foaf. 2009-02-24 16:59:22 akorphan I blame cazzerson. 2009-02-24 16:59:28 mpark airport++ 2009-02-24 16:59:32 jbrinley @known royt 2009-02-24 16:59:32 zoia jbrinley: I don't know royt's URI 2009-02-24 16:59:35 ecorrado @insult royt's font 2009-02-24 16:59:36 zoia royt's font: You are nothing but a swag-bellied petrification of squishy eel. 2009-02-24 16:59:41 anarchivist @known anarchivist 2009-02-24 16:59:42 zoia anarchivist: anarchivist's URI is 2009-02-24 16:59:45 abarrera mjg_++ 2009-02-24 16:59:48 dlovins @know http://www.library.yale.edu/~dlovins/foaf.rdf#me 2009-02-24 16:59:48 MrDys @known MrDys 2009-02-24 16:59:48 zoia dlovins: dlovins's URI is now 2009-02-24 16:59:50 zoia MrDys: MrDys's URI is 2009-02-24 16:59:50 atz @foaf atz interests 2009-02-24 16:59:50 BigD mpark: where's dinner? 2009-02-24 16:59:51 zoia atz: atz : 2009-02-24 16:59:57 MrDys @foaf MrDys interests 2009-02-24 16:59:58 zoia MrDys: MrDys : 2009-02-24 17:00:07 fak3r no api? ok, let's not see it! 2009-02-24 17:00:09 MrDys I have interests, dammit 2009-02-24 17:00:10 anarchivist @foaf anarchivist interests 2009-02-24 17:00:12 zoia anarchivist: anarchivist : 2009-02-24 17:00:14 mpark BigD: dunno I only live here 2009-02-24 17:00:14 kgs @lolz [known] 2009-02-24 17:00:20 zoia zoia kgs: I KNOE URIS 4 DA FOLLOWIN USERS: BAROQUEM, BIGD, BILLDUEBR, JODIS, MRDYS, ABARRERA, AKORFAN, ANARCHIVIST, ASNAGY, ATZ, BES, CAZZERSON, CBER, CHARPR, DLOVINS, ECORRADO, EJK, ESCOWLEZ, FAK3R, FLIGHTY, GSF, JFIPPS, JSTROOP, KGS, KSCLARKE, LBJAY, LIZA31337, MBKLEIN, MJG_, PMURRAY, RANTI, RSINGR, SCOLFORD, SMKIEWEL, WICKR, WTD, ZOIA 2009-02-24 17:00:30 mjg_ @sing Steve Perry : Foolish Heart 2009-02-24 17:00:30 escowles @known zoia 2009-02-24 17:00:30 zoia escowles: zoia's URI is 2009-02-24 17:00:32 fak3r one two, buckle my shoe 2009-02-24 17:00:34 zoia But will my lonely heart play the part / Of the fool again / Before I begin / Foolish heart, hear me calling 2009-02-24 17:00:41 anarchivist @lolz [pirate [jive [zen]] 2009-02-24 17:00:41 zoia anarchivist: Error: Missing "]". You may want to quote your arguments with double quotes in order to prevent extra brackets from being evaluated as nested commands. 2009-02-24 17:00:44 anarchivist @lolz [pirate [jive [zen]]] 2009-02-24 17:00:50 jrochkind100 That FOAF plugin for zoia is a fun toy I guess, but is it actually useful for ANYTHING? 2009-02-24 17:00:53 zoia Seung Sahn: DE WAN HOO PRAISEZ YA BE DIEF. WUT IT BE, MAMA! DE WAN HOO CRITICIZEZ YA BE YO TRUE HOMEY. 2009-02-24 17:00:56 akorphan rickroll++ 2009-02-24 17:00:58 lbjay that++ 2009-02-24 17:00:59 harmless i'm a newb here, is this channel and bot persistent? 2009-02-24 17:00:59 abarrera apa-- 2009-02-24 17:01:00 mbklein @knows mbklein anarchivist 2009-02-24 17:01:00 fak3r what was this talk about?' 2009-02-24 17:01:02 zoia mbklein: mbklein knows anarchivist, but anarchivist does not know mbklein. 2009-02-24 17:01:02 rsinger dchud++ 2009-02-24 17:01:06 LibraryThingT Nice. 2009-02-24 17:01:06 abarrera harmless: yes 2009-02-24 17:01:09 anarchivist @lolz [pirate [jive [zen]]] 2009-02-24 17:01:12 fak3r harmless: yes 2009-02-24 17:01:12 mjg_ jrochkind100: lernin' 2009-02-24 17:01:12 mbklein @knows zoia mbklein 2009-02-24 17:01:14 zoia Shunryu Suzuki: DE MOST IMPOTANT POINT BE 2 ACCEPT YOSELF N STAND ON YO PAIR FEET. 2009-02-24 17:01:15 MrDys @knows MrDys anarchivist 2009-02-24 17:01:16 jrochkind100 harmless: Somebody may be logging it, but no one is guaranteed to log it. 2009-02-24 17:01:16 zoia mbklein: zoia knows mbklein, but mbklein does not know zoia. 2009-02-24 17:01:17 zoia MrDys: MrDys does not know anarchivist, but anarchivist knows MrDys. 2009-02-24 17:01:18 harmless abarrera: cool. i might visit. 2009-02-24 17:01:20 jtgorman harmless: relentless in the least 2009-02-24 17:01:22 fak3r harmless: it's not just for breakfast anymore 2009-02-24 17:01:24 mbklein @knows zoia gsf 2009-02-24 17:01:24 kgs I thought zoia was a real person when I was new to this channel 2009-02-24 17:01:25 BigD harmless: yep - persistently obnoxious 2009-02-24 17:01:25 akorphan fak3r: automatic importing and dumping of citations and stuff, I think 2009-02-24 17:01:26 zoia mbklein: zoia knows gsf, but gsf does not know zoia. 2009-02-24 17:01:37 gsf gotta change that 2009-02-24 17:01:40 mbklein mbklein @common interest anarchivist mbklein lbjay 2009-02-24 17:01:41 jtgorman s/in/at/ 2009-02-24 17:01:41 zoia mbklein: 2009-02-24 17:01:46 scolford kgs: are you sure she's not? 2009-02-24 17:01:47 fak3r color'd tabs in safari? "the goggles, they do nothing!" 2009-02-24 17:01:48 jtgorman kgs: she fools a lot of people 2009-02-24 17:01:50 mjg_ mbklein++ 2009-02-24 17:01:51 ejk rainbow tabs 2009-02-24 17:01:57 MrDys color coded tabs, neat 2009-02-24 17:01:58 jtgorman kgs: and her ana are scary at times 2009-02-24 17:02:00 JodiS does NO ONE introduce themselves? 2009-02-24 17:02:01 fak3r biger 2009-02-24 17:02:01 LibraryThingT I thought it was Zola. Alas. 2009-02-24 17:02:01 akorphan cane_toad++ 2009-02-24 17:02:02 anarchivist @common interest anarchivist cazzerson 2009-02-24 17:02:04 zoia anarchivist: 2009-02-24 17:02:10 anarchivist JodiS: naomi dushay, stanford 2009-02-24 17:02:10 rsinger because she's smarter and more mature than most of us 2009-02-24 17:02:13 mbklein anarchivist: See? It's a party planning tool! 2009-02-24 17:02:17 LibraryThingT Oh, that's a great book! 2009-02-24 17:02:17 fak3r little_bear++ 2009-02-24 17:02:21 fak3r bad_results-- 2009-02-24 17:02:21 mbklein @predicates mbklein mjg_ 2009-02-24 17:02:22 zoia mbklein: Relationships asserted by mbklein about mjg_: , 2009-02-24 17:02:24 wickr fak3r: that's Firefox isn't it? 2009-02-24 17:02:25 LibraryThingT little_bear++ 2009-02-24 17:02:25 JodiS "assault with a deadly donut" 2009-02-24 17:02:26 atz deadly_donut++ 2009-02-24 17:02:33 fak3r I think they've been trolled 2009-02-24 17:02:37 mib_eme7me5h mmm donuts 2009-02-24 17:02:41 JodiS thanks anarchivist! :) ndushay++ 2009-02-24 17:02:41 MrDys @band add Deadly Donut 2009-02-24 17:02:41 zoia MrDys: Band 'Deadly Donut' added to list 2009-02-24 17:02:59 mjg_ Lessons from today: 1. Say your name. 2. Font up like crazy. 2009-02-24 17:03:00 fak3r wickr: I think yr right, ABP and all...just safari skin 2009-02-24 17:03:06 abarrera deadly_donut++ # precisely how i'll kill BigD 2009-02-24 17:03:06 LibraryThingT Similar items is all about quantity of data. 2009-02-24 17:03:09 MrDys @band 2009-02-24 17:03:10 zoia MrDys: Five Llamas Live 2009-02-24 17:03:11 mjg_ 3. Don't let mornos have iPhones. 2009-02-24 17:03:12 mbklein @dunno add Font up! 2009-02-24 17:03:13 zoia mbklein: Error: You must be registered to use this command. If you are already registered, you must either identify (using the identify command) or add a hostmask matching your current hostmask (using the "hostmask add" command). 2009-02-24 17:03:15 BigD mjg_ 3. Profit 2009-02-24 17:03:20 LibraryThingT Why nameless? 2009-02-24 17:03:29 fak3r 4. say iphones are so 2008 - pass it on 2009-02-24 17:03:30 akorphan librarythingtim: I think she means "unnamed" 2009-02-24 17:03:34 gsf mbklein: wait, i have http://rc98.net/zoia#me in my foaf 2009-02-24 17:03:35 mbklein @dunno add Font up! 2009-02-24 17:03:36 zoia mbklein: The operation succeeded. Dunno #301 added. 2009-02-24 17:03:37 akorphan as in "to avoid embarrasment" 2009-02-24 17:03:43 LibraryThingT It could be because if said, they appear. 2009-02-24 17:03:48 BigD abarrera: i think ninja donuts are already attacking yer heart 2009-02-24 17:03:51 abarrera blackberries are so 1999 2009-02-24 17:03:52 mbklein @known zoia 2009-02-24 17:03:52 zoia mbklein: zoia's URI is 2009-02-24 17:03:56 wtd No-one ever names vendors. I think we should. 2009-02-24 17:03:57 fak3r "hi, I'm mumble,mumble...." 2009-02-24 17:03:57 mjg_ @aussie foods in australia 2009-02-24 17:03:58 zoia mjg_: SHRIMP ON THE BARBIE, MATES! 2009-02-24 17:03:58 mbklein gsf: Wrong URI 2009-02-24 17:04:06 gsf mbklein: ah, ok thx mbklein++ 2009-02-24 17:04:09 rsinger and getting them to say xinyDisriS is so hard 2009-02-24 17:04:12 akorphan Ok, who is this person? 2009-02-24 17:04:19 fak3r slow_performance!++ 2009-02-24 17:04:19 LibraryThingT Libraries sometimes behave as if the vendors are paying *them*. 2009-02-24 17:04:22 mib_xxmepy6r looks nice... 2009-02-24 17:04:26 anarchivist akorphan: naomi dushay, stanford university 2009-02-24 17:04:30 akorphan thanks 2009-02-24 17:04:31 atz call number browse.... actually *easier* to do across all libraries than on just one 2009-02-24 17:04:38 mbklein gsf: 'cause you know zoia will never let you hear the end of it if you deny her. 2009-02-24 17:04:38 fak3r as long as the code is slow, that's my main requirement. 2009-02-24 17:04:43 abarrera BigD: they would be ninja bacon donuts with bbq sauce, cheese and jalopenos 2009-02-24 17:04:56 LibraryThingT If a library is going to do call-number browse across libraries, there's no reason to do it in your own call-number system. 2009-02-24 17:04:56 gsf @knows zoia gsf 2009-02-24 17:04:56 anarchivist abarrera: ninja bacon donut nachos 2009-02-24 17:04:58 zoia gsf: zoia and gsf know each other. 2009-02-24 17:05:02 fak3r no_consistancy--- 2009-02-24 17:05:04 mbklein gsf++ 2009-02-24 17:05:07 BigD nudibranches 2009-02-24 17:05:15 fak3r rated PG-13? 2009-02-24 17:05:25 jtgorman atz: uuhhh 2009-02-24 17:05:30 mib_xxmepy6r http://searchworks-test.stanford.edu/vufind/ 2009-02-24 17:05:32 LibraryThingT "Too much kissing?" <--- real quote from Little Bear, and perhaps Henry Miller. 2009-02-24 17:05:34 fak3r let's see, looks bad, slow code - job well done! 2009-02-24 17:05:38 mjg_ Would have been nice to be able to read that. 2009-02-24 17:05:41 lbjay @knows zoia lbjay 2009-02-24 17:05:43 zoia lbjay: zoia knows lbjay, but lbjay does not know zoia. 2009-02-24 17:05:49 jtgorman atz: did I miss something? Call number browse is easier over multiple libraries? Are we assuming that they all use the same call number system? 2009-02-24 17:05:57 fak3r what does this developer get paid to do? 2009-02-24 17:06:05 LibraryThingT But waht's wrong with that? 2009-02-24 17:06:09 mjg_ Cheney is still a staunch supporter of donutboarding. 2009-02-24 17:06:13 LibraryThingT Is the prblem the software or the cataloging? 2009-02-24 17:06:16 liza31337 Uh 2009-02-24 17:06:19 andyashton mmmm. Donutboarding 2009-02-24 17:06:21 jtgorman we use about three or four ourselves 2009-02-24 17:06:27 cazzerson twitter.com:"You have been rate limited. Enhance your calm." 2009-02-24 17:06:29 fak3r they want irrelevant results more than anything apparently... 2009-02-24 17:06:31 atz jtgorman: no, it's easy to do exactly what she did and get.... correct but useless results 2009-02-24 17:06:32 abarrera donutboarding++ 2009-02-24 17:06:43 jtgorman atz: I'm not there ;) 2009-02-24 17:06:44 fak3r I liked how the search failed. 2009-02-24 17:06:53 rsinger Enhanced cholesterol techniques 2009-02-24 17:06:54 LibraryThingT I hate the idea that there's no serendipity without slicing books by call numbers. 2009-02-24 17:06:55 fak3r how little is it? 2009-02-24 17:06:58 fak3r mike! 2009-02-24 17:07:01 mjg_ mikeybe++ 2009-02-24 17:07:02 anarchivist mikeybe++ 2009-02-24 17:07:03 gsf mikeybe: the mike wahlberg of the library tech world 2009-02-24 17:07:06 fak3r he needs a foaf so we know his name 2009-02-24 17:07:14 liza31337 Does only Paul Smith go there? 2009-02-24 17:07:16 fak3r sounds personal 2009-02-24 17:07:22 mjg_ liza31337++ 2009-02-24 17:07:23 anarchivist liza31337: he used to 2009-02-24 17:07:24 mbklein @known mikeybe 2009-02-24 17:07:25 zoia mbklein: I don't know mikeybe's URI 2009-02-24 17:07:26 JodiS Naomi Dushay's test catalog: http://searchworks-test.stanford.edu/vufind/ 2009-02-24 17:07:28 fak3r I never got in trouble in college* 2009-02-24 17:07:34 atz yeah, it's such a pathetic claim "no the *callnumber* provides serendipity and structure! pls don't take the callnumber!" 2009-02-24 17:07:46 akorphan akorphan would like to see Naomi's call number extraction/sort routine 2009-02-24 17:07:48 mib_xxmepy6r mostly foresty... in adaronicks 2009-02-24 17:07:55 jtgorman the issue I've had when doing things via call number here is often people are using it as an attempt to collocate...so either you're forced to try to chose one system to map the others too or you just have to display ordering broken up by different systems. but people are then confused/frustrated why they're in different systems 2009-02-24 17:07:55 JodiS atz: call numbers DO have something to do with serendipitous browsing in PRINT 2009-02-24 17:07:57 mjg_ BOOM, what up now, ContentDM? 2009-02-24 17:07:59 jtgorman :P 2009-02-24 17:08:03 bess akorphan: she's committing it to solrmarc, but it isn't there yet 2009-02-24 17:08:04 fak3r is it paulssmith, paul's smiths? the smiths? 2009-02-24 17:08:07 MrDys people love that page turning shit 2009-02-24 17:08:15 liza31337 Rarr page turning UIs 2009-02-24 17:08:19 anarchivist @quote add < mjg_> BOOM, what up now, ContentDM? 2009-02-24 17:08:20 fak3r MrDys: I know, we're pushed to doing it at BHL 2009-02-24 17:08:20 zoia anarchivist: The operation succeeded. Quote #1732 added. 2009-02-24 17:08:22 steambadger Paul Smith has his own college? 2009-02-24 17:08:24 akorphan bess: thanks 2009-02-24 17:08:25 BillDueber akorphan: I've got code I've been working on this morning, actually. Big messy regexp 2009-02-24 17:08:28 fak3r don't jump! 2009-02-24 17:08:34 asl2 I browse by call number online sometimes 2009-02-24 17:08:35 ecorrado call # sorting is easy if the call #'s are normlilzes 2009-02-24 17:08:36 fak3r gigapan, anyone? 2009-02-24 17:08:36 LibraryThingT But call numbers were hardly designed for serendipity! If that's what you want, you could design a better system. 2009-02-24 17:08:37 abarrera i do...microsoft an amazingly expensive piece of amazingly crappy software 2009-02-24 17:08:43 mjg_ BEAR! 2009-02-24 17:08:49 anarchivist what 2009-02-24 17:08:52 LibraryThingT Awesome. 2009-02-24 17:08:54 mib_xxmepy6r http://www.paulsmiths.edu/ 2009-02-24 17:08:57 jtgorman of course, some areas have their own call number variations...which are marked as being Dewey which leads to...oddities 2009-02-24 17:08:57 fak3r http://gigapan.org/index.php 2009-02-24 17:08:58 gsf downloading that image is why the internet has been slow 2009-02-24 17:08:59 mpark there's my contact lense 2009-02-24 17:09:06 paulalbert furverts! 2009-02-24 17:09:10 anarchivist anarchivist can see for miles and miles 2009-02-24 17:09:10 mbklein mjg_: You know you've reached a sad place when you're talking smack to digital asset management software. 2009-02-24 17:09:12 akorphan BillDueber: The big challenge, besides bad cataloging, is the padding issue, I think. 2009-02-24 17:09:12 JodiS fak3r: http://www.paulsmiths.edu/ 2009-02-24 17:09:17 mjg_ I hope no one ever zooms in on my high school yearbook photo. 2009-02-24 17:09:18 ecorrado ecorrado sorted lots o voyager call #'s in his life with no isue 2009-02-24 17:09:22 fak3r can I do that w/my cannon 1.3M cam? 2009-02-24 17:09:24 atz JodiS: yeah, but it's weird to latch onto callnumbers when there are so many other reasonable browse avenues available 2009-02-24 17:09:27 rsinger WHAT ARE THE OPENURLS FOR THIS, THOUGH? 2009-02-24 17:09:30 LibraryThingT What's that site that has the books like that—a big image you can zoom around on. 2009-02-24 17:09:33 fak3r JodiS: great 2009-02-24 17:09:38 mjg_ mbklein: that's how Paul Smith rolls 2009-02-24 17:09:39 rsinger FOR GOD'S SAKES WHAT WOULD THE HERBERT SAY?! 2009-02-24 17:09:41 cbeer deep zoom: silverlight based? 2009-02-24 17:09:42 jtgorman so our issues is a combination of historical legacy, how librarians have been trained/think about collocating, and how the users try to grapple with stuff 2009-02-24 17:09:44 fak3r micro++ 2009-02-24 17:09:48 ecorrado microfiche++ 2009-02-24 17:09:49 anarchivist microfiche++ 2009-02-24 17:09:55 mbklein cbeer: aye 2009-02-24 17:09:56 BigD seadragon = microfiche! 2009-02-24 17:09:56 akorphan I call it how I see it. 2009-02-24 17:09:58 fak3r cbeer: assume it's silverlight - they have a linux/firefox plugin btw 2009-02-24 17:09:59 ecorrado microsoftfiche 2009-02-24 17:10:01 BillDueber akorphan: Come find me and provide some feedback. I'm about 10 ft from rot 2009-02-24 17:10:05 mbklein akorphan++ 2009-02-24 17:10:07 BillDueber s/rot/royt/ 2009-02-24 17:10:08 fak3r I wasn't up late last night drinking or anything* 2009-02-24 17:10:13 jtgorman ecorrado: well, most of the issues isn't technical...or at least not when I've had issues 2009-02-24 17:10:20 akorphan Which one's royt? 2009-02-24 17:10:23 dbs cooliris is another visual browser thing 2009-02-24 17:10:25 jrochkind100 what tool is this he's showing us? 2009-02-24 17:10:25 bess fak3r: yes, it's silverlight. he was sitting next to me and I could see. 2009-02-24 17:10:29 mbklein @known royt 2009-02-24 17:10:29 zoia mbklein: I don't know royt's URI 2009-02-24 17:10:33 mjg_ mikeybe++ # Paul Smith's seven students are clamoring for this. 2009-02-24 17:10:34 mbklein @known jbrinley 2009-02-24 17:10:34 zoia mbklein: I don't know jbrinley's URI 2009-02-24 17:10:35 fak3r "how many to go boxes did you wnt?" 2009-02-24 17:10:36 scolford cooliris++ 2009-02-24 17:10:37 anarchivist photosynth++ 2009-02-24 17:10:44 jrochkind100 silverlight, is what he's showing us? 2009-02-24 17:10:45 jtgorman the winner is "Why are those call numbers at the top/bottom and marked call number type of unknown?" 2009-02-24 17:10:47 fak3r bigger! 2009-02-24 17:10:52 LibraryThingT If you zoom in, you get Obama at Notre Dame. 2009-02-24 17:10:55 jtgorman uh...well...that's what the catalog record says 2009-02-24 17:10:58 BillDueber akorphan: lemme try again. I'm two tables in front of the podium. I'm the really, really good looking one. 2009-02-24 17:10:59 mbklein jbrinley: @know yerself back in there, man. 2009-02-24 17:11:00 jtgorman jtgorman shrugs 2009-02-24 17:11:02 mjg_ photosynth++ 2009-02-24 17:11:02 MrDys very very nice 2009-02-24 17:11:03 LibraryThingT NIce. 2009-02-24 17:11:05 atz sexy_interface++ 2009-02-24 17:11:06 scolford this is like book fetish porn 2009-02-24 17:11:07 abarrera ooooh ahhhh 2009-02-24 17:11:14 fak3r this is cool, but useful for... 2009-02-24 17:11:15 abarrera scolford++ 2009-02-24 17:11:18 liza31337 slave labor++ 2009-02-24 17:11:20 atz google "stacks view" 2009-02-24 17:11:26 Kerwick if you could take the books off the shelf and read them... 2009-02-24 17:11:31 jtgorman jtgorman hopes this one makes it to the recording 2009-02-24 17:11:32 gsf i stand by my wahlberg comment 2009-02-24 17:11:32 jrochkind100 visualized browse IS useful. 2009-02-24 17:11:34 mbklein scolford: what's next? bibliofanfiction? 2009-02-24 17:11:37 BillDueber mikeybe++ that was awesome 2009-02-24 17:11:37 fak3r what's that bookstore that looks like that? 2009-02-24 17:11:48 akorphan billdueber: uhh... other distinguishing features? 2009-02-24 17:11:54 fak3r what if someone checks out a book? they have to refoto the whole library? damn! 2009-02-24 17:11:58 scolford mbklein: serials slash 2009-02-24 17:11:58 mjg_ mikeybe++ # nice one. 2009-02-24 17:12:10 abarrera mikeybe++ 2009-02-24 17:12:15 fak3r "Welcome to the internet my friend, how can I help you?" 2009-02-24 17:12:19 mbklein scolford++ 2009-02-24 17:12:22 anarchivist put that in your bag and smoke it 2009-02-24 17:12:27 fak3r simple css, I approve 2009-02-24 17:12:29 BillDueber akorphan: I'm going to stand up in 5 2009-02-24 17:12:30 BillDueber 4 2009-02-24 17:12:31 BillDueber 3 2009-02-24 17:12:32 BillDueber 2 2009-02-24 17:12:33 BillDueber 1 2009-02-24 17:12:37 akorphan gotchan 2009-02-24 17:12:38 erikhatcher mikeybe++ 2009-02-24 17:12:38 fak3r dchud ftw 2009-02-24 17:12:39 gsf fak3r: you would obviously need a multiple-webcam feed 2009-02-24 17:12:42 jbrinley fak3r: just retake a picture everytime you reshelve a book 2009-02-24 17:12:44 scolford why do i only get karma for porn comments? 2009-02-24 17:12:47 mbklein He said it was gonna happen, and it happened! How about that?! 2009-02-24 17:12:51 jbrinley fak3r: it should stay relatively up-to-date 2009-02-24 17:12:51 anarchivist ugh 2009-02-24 17:12:52 fak3r gsf: it could work 2009-02-24 17:12:56 mjg_ I have heard numerous corks pop in the hall. 2009-02-24 17:12:56 mbklein @karma scolford 2009-02-24 17:12:57 zoia mbklein: Karma for "scolford" has been increased 14 times and decreased 2 times for a total karma of 12. 2009-02-24 17:12:59 akorphan I'll wade that way when the lightning subsides. 2009-02-24 17:13:01 anarchivist omeka_svn_emails_on_every_commit-- 2009-02-24 17:13:03 MrDys BillDueber: nice hair brush to make it natural 2009-02-24 17:13:04 LibraryThingT Instead of camera's pointed at books, why not have cameras pointing out from books? 2009-02-24 17:13:05 mib_xxmepy6r could be used to hoto a rare book collection that never changes (or changes very litle) 2009-02-24 17:13:07 decasm tagit & bagit (you know, for dead digital objects) 2009-02-24 17:13:14 rsinger wonderful... 2009-02-24 17:13:20 fak3r "It's dead jim" 2009-02-24 17:13:21 LibraryThingT scolford++ 2009-02-24 17:13:24 lbjay mjg_: srsly? 2009-02-24 17:13:26 rsinger no, mets is not wonderful 2009-02-24 17:13:29 BillDueber MrDys: yeah, it's only a matter of time before I'm discovered by a high-powered hollywood agent. 2009-02-24 17:13:35 harmless Even only enough zoom to recognise the shelf and even updated only every month or two it would be waaaay useful for finding something in a university library i haven't seen before, especially a large one. 2009-02-24 17:13:37 mjg_ lbjay: yes, it's almost beer and wine hour, methinks. 2009-02-24 17:13:48 anarchivist when i wrap objects with mets, i get a tingling sensation 2009-02-24 17:13:49 MrDys this is amazingly on schedule 2009-02-24 17:13:49 lbjay methinking++ 2009-02-24 17:13:50 scolford where are the wine and beer? 2009-02-24 17:13:53 mjg_ cork # 4 2009-02-24 17:13:53 MrDys when did we get so punctual 2009-02-24 17:14:00 mjg_ scolford: hallway. 2009-02-24 17:14:09 lbjay DimeBagIt 2009-02-24 17:14:10 epoz fak3r: zoomii.com 2009-02-24 17:14:13 scolford yay. not far to walk. 2009-02-24 17:14:14 LibraryThingT Right. 2009-02-24 17:14:14 mjg_ lbjay++ 2009-02-24 17:14:14 anarchivist lbjay++ 2009-02-24 17:14:16 anarchivist weed++ 2009-02-24 17:14:16 abarrera lbjay++ 2009-02-24 17:14:16 fak3r "It's pronounced thermometer" 2009-02-24 17:14:19 BigD abarrera's already out there, drunk 2009-02-24 17:14:20 BillDueber Everything before wine & beer ends on time. It's a law of nature. 2009-02-24 17:14:22 fak3r epoz: that's it! ya 2009-02-24 17:14:24 scolford lbjay++ 2009-02-24 17:14:25 anarchivist acid++ 2009-02-24 17:14:30 lbjay scolford: i only get karma for drug comments 2009-02-24 17:14:30 mbklein scolford: Imagine what Don would do with online, browseable, zoomable photos of our stacks... 2009-02-24 17:14:37 fak3r beer++ 2009-02-24 17:14:48 anarchivist lbjay: just like robcaSSon 2009-02-24 17:14:49 BillDueber How do you get far enough away from the stacks to get decent pictures, though? 2009-02-24 17:14:51 mbklein lbjay++ # drug comments. heh. 2009-02-24 17:14:55 JodiS I so desperately want this browseable library. mike_beccaria++ 2009-02-24 17:15:12 jtgorman jtgorman really wants to see this now 2009-02-24 17:15:13 kgs BeerXML++ # http://www.beerxml.com/ 2009-02-24 17:15:21 rsinger JodiS: YOU run the windows server 2009-02-24 17:15:22 fak3r make that virtual library to work with the Wii and let e know 2009-02-24 17:15:25 anarchivist chesthairML++ 2009-02-24 17:15:32 fak3r windows_server-- 2009-02-24 17:15:33 Kerwick BillDueber: Wide angle lens and merge the photos 2009-02-24 17:15:34 JodiS rsinger: huh? 2009-02-24 17:15:36 mbklein Is BeerXML designed to be further eXtensible? Or should it be called BeerML? 2009-02-24 17:15:37 anarchivist "Download Complete BeerXML Version 1.0 in Microsoft Word Format" 2009-02-24 17:15:38 fak3r got uptime? 2009-02-24 17:15:38 JodiS rsinger: oh. 2009-02-24 17:15:43 LibraryThingT I just want a lot of spine images. 2009-02-24 17:15:53 JodiS rsinger: there's opensource fisheye stuff, too 2009-02-24 17:15:54 fak3r sourceforge: worst user ui, evar! 2009-02-24 17:15:57 mbklein anarchivist++ LOL 2009-02-24 17:16:00 atz when those browse pix get enough resolution, put the barcodes on the spine.... and you can line process the image... *boom* there's your inventory! 2009-02-24 17:16:07 scolford mbklein: oh that would be more like lemonparty.org 2009-02-24 17:16:14 fak3r scolford: -- ;) 2009-02-24 17:16:15 jtgorman JodiS: mikeybe = mike beccarria 2009-02-24 17:16:17 jtgorman I think... 2009-02-24 17:16:20 anarchivist scolford-- 2009-02-24 17:16:21 rsinger JodiS: and your coworker showed something in some shade of yellow 2009-02-24 17:16:25 BillDueber atz: Except for the 150K or so books that are checked out at any given moment :-) 2009-02-24 17:16:26 JodiS mikeybe++ 2009-02-24 17:16:33 wickr atz: and if you have the dimesions, you can scale appropriately ;) 2009-02-24 17:16:35 fak3r dchud, royt, etc 2009-02-24 17:16:36 rsinger guess that's a little different, though 2009-02-24 17:16:37 mjg_ royt is between us and alcohol. this is dangerous. 2009-02-24 17:16:42 BillDueber Woo hoo! I wants me some free books!!!! 2009-02-24 17:16:44 fak3r define 'cool' prizes 2009-02-24 17:16:44 mbklein scolford: Another day, another NO changes to the BPL DNS records. 2009-02-24 17:16:50 jtgorman mjg_: lay down and cover your stomach and face 2009-02-24 17:16:51 MrDys schwag++ # the free book kind 2009-02-24 17:16:54 JodiS rsinger: generally glad to be tarred with the ksclarke brush :) 2009-02-24 17:16:57 Kerwick fak3r: icecubes 2009-02-24 17:16:58 LibraryThingT Programming Collective Intelligence isn't very good. 2009-02-24 17:17:00 atz BillDueber: you already know the inventory status of a checked out book. 2009-02-24 17:17:00 fak3r usb drive has government secrets on it 2009-02-24 17:17:00 mbklein Who's got the crickets? 2009-02-24 17:17:03 atz it's checked out. 2009-02-24 17:17:04 MrDys schwag-- # the...other...kind 2009-02-24 17:17:05 fak3r get a room you two! 2009-02-24 17:17:09 jtgorman LibraryThingTim: you didn't like it? 2009-02-24 17:17:13 anarchivist the chilloutroom? 2009-02-24 17:17:15 LibraryThingT No. Meh. 2009-02-24 17:17:22 fak3r whatever? interesting! 2009-02-24 17:17:22 ecorrado bagit++ 2009-02-24 17:17:23 abarrera whatever room = drug hangout 2009-02-24 17:17:29 jtgorman LibraryThingTim: I thought it was pretty decent. Were I teaching an undergrad course I'd probably use it 2009-02-24 17:17:30 LibraryThingT If we had stack photos, would we catch students having sex in the stacks, like Google Street Maps? 2009-02-24 17:17:30 BillDueber atz: Google scanning project is the best thing that ever happened to our shelving. We've found thousands of previosly-lost books 2009-02-24 17:17:30 mbklein "Good evening, and welcome to Hangin' Out With Roy..." 2009-02-24 17:17:31 akorphan The Handel Room will need more comfortable chairs in that case. 2009-02-24 17:17:32 MrDys MrDys tosses anarchivist a bottle of watter and a pacifier 2009-02-24 17:17:35 mjg_ when are we announcing the scholarship winners? 2009-02-24 17:17:37 paulalbert Are there any restrictions on what I can do in the whatever room? 2009-02-24 17:17:39 lbjay YOU CAN'T HANDLE THE HANDEL ROOM 2009-02-24 17:17:39 zoia New news from planetcode4lib: del.icio.us: Video of Rob Styles' code4lib lightning presentation | Talis Developer Network || del.icio.us: code4lib 2009 talk on caching and proxying linked data | One Big Library. || Panlibus (Talis): A look through the Grid at Code4lib must be in .com, .net, .edu, or .org. 2009-02-24 17:21:09 akorphan You are number 6. 2009-02-24 17:21:13 mbklein I'll give kgs $100 to burn the video of our talk. 2009-02-24 17:21:14 LibraryThingT I think I just need some statistics. 2009-02-24 17:21:20 ecorrado BEER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 2009-02-24 17:21:23 fak3r bbeerrr 2009-02-24 17:21:25 dcloutman exit 2009-02-24 17:21:27 LibraryThingT everyone's leaving 2009-02-24 17:21:29 dcloutman exit 2009-02-24 17:21:32 dcloutman exit 2009-02-24 17:21:36 wtd Farewell! 2009-02-24 17:21:38 atz i'm still not showing up on http://inkdroid.org/c4l2009/attendees 2009-02-24 17:21:40 jtgorman oh, crud 2009-02-24 17:21:44 jtgorman didn't realize it was so late 2009-02-24 17:21:56 JodiS jtgorman: so much chatter! :) 2009-02-24 17:22:06 LibraryThingT This is like NORAD during an attack. 2009-02-24 17:22:13 dlovins quit 2009-02-24 17:22:25 jtgorman JodiS: yeah ;). Kept getting distracted. I'm also flipping through some scripts 2009-02-24 17:22:36 jtgorman (write a bit, run, flip into channel) 2009-02-24 17:22:50 JodiS possible place to throw stuff about crowdsourcing: http://labortech.net/conferences.htm 2009-02-24 17:26:05 atz \quit 2009-02-24 17:29:22 jtgorman @dnd 2009-02-24 17:29:24 zoia jtgorman: strength:14 dexterity:15 constitution:12 intelligence:13 wisdom:16 charisma:16 2009-02-24 17:30:31 jtgorman well, I'm going try to catch the bus home, night to those still in channel 2009-02-24 17:36:47 lbjay @later tell jtgorman [sing pink floyd : wish you were here] 2009-02-24 17:36:50 zoia The operation succeeded. 2009-02-24 17:38:03 lbjay lbjay retroactively checks that those lyrics aren't inappropriate in some way 2009-02-24 17:38:18 lbjay not that there's anything wrong with that 2009-02-24 17:58:04 ejk please drop a note if you're planning dinner somewhere close that will have a bacon cheeseburger (and don't mind a newbie tagging alone) 2009-02-24 17:58:10 ejk s/alone/along 2009-02-24 18:48:26 zoia New news from planetcode4lib: del.icio.us: Panlibus " Blog Archive " A look through the Grid at Code4lib || Crosstech (CrossRef): Real PRISM in the RSS Wilds 2009-02-24 19:06:26 jbrinley jbrinley tries IRC through a PuTTY terminal 2009-02-24 19:18:05 jbrinley @quote random 2009-02-24 19:18:05 zoia jbrinley: Quote #533: "< rsinger> @ana a man a plan a canal panama" (added by gsf at 04:10 PM, November 20, 2006) 2009-02-24 19:18:23 jbrinley @ana a man a plan a canal panama 2009-02-24 19:18:24 zoia jbrinley: An anal canal, am a man papa 2009-02-24 19:28:36 jbrinley @quote random 2009-02-24 19:28:37 zoia jbrinley: Quote #913: " I am rarely happier than when spending entire day programming my computer to perform automatically a task that it would otherwise take me a good ten seconds to do by hand." (added by ksclarke at 08:11 PM, June 27, 2007) 2009-02-24 19:35:54 dcloutman join #code4lib 2009-02-24 19:39:11 dcloutman I got sidetracked at happy hour. Anyone need to grab dinner still? 2009-02-24 19:45:48 cbeer happyhour++ 2009-02-24 19:58:15 erikhatcher damn you people for hogging the bandwidth! 2009-02-24 20:34:08 jaf @quote random 2009-02-24 20:34:10 zoia jaf: Quote #444: " i could always just put my ead in mets and proceed attacking my corneas with this fork sitting on my desk" (added by ksclarke at 04:32 PM, October 02, 2006) 2009-02-24 20:53:55 cbeer safari4-- # where'd my keyboard shortcuts go?! 2009-02-24 20:58:07 cbeer safari4-- # why are tabs on top of the window a good idea? 2009-02-24 20:59:54 cbeer safari4++ # ooh, shiny + standards compliant 2009-02-24 21:16:27 pmurray @reload Assorted 2009-02-24 21:16:29 zoia pmurray: The operation succeeded. 2009-02-24 21:16:35 pmurray @excuse 2009-02-24 21:16:36 zoia pmurray: Daylight Savings Time 2009-02-24 21:18:05 jeff no such thing, zoia. ;) 2009-02-24 21:18:28 pmurray @reload Assorted 2009-02-24 21:18:29 zoia pmurray: The operation succeeded. 2009-02-24 21:18:33 pmurray @excuse 2009-02-24 21:18:34 zoia pmurray: The excuse for today is: Daylight Savings Time 2009-02-24 21:18:58 pmurray jeff: What -- are you from eastern Indiana or Arizona or someplace like that? 2009-02-24 21:19:49 pmurray @reload Assorted 2009-02-24 21:19:50 zoia pmurray: The operation succeeded. 2009-02-24 21:19:53 pmurray @excuse 2009-02-24 21:19:54 zoia pmurray: My excuse for today is "Daylight Savings Time" 2009-02-24 21:21:24 jeff pmurray: no, just wearing my pedant hat tonight. it's "Saving", not "Savings" :) 2009-02-24 21:21:58 pmurray jeff: Really? I didn't know that. (Neither did the author of the excuse page, obviously.) 2009-02-24 21:22:30 pmurray @rate Daylight Saving Time versus Daylight Savings Time 2009-02-24 21:22:40 zoia pmurray: Daylight: 5.3; Saving: 9.8; Time: 7.3; versus: 9.8; Daylight: 5.3; Savings: 4.9; Time: 7.3. Savings sucks! Saving rocks! 2009-02-24 21:22:46 pmurray @rate 2009-02-24 21:22:47 zoia pmurray: (rate ...) -- Rates terms according to the criteria at http://www.sucks-rocks.com/ 2009-02-24 21:23:02 pmurray @rate daylight_saving_time daylight_savings_time 2009-02-24 21:23:06 zoia pmurray: daylight saving time: 0.9; daylight savings time: 0.9. daylight savings time sucks! 2009-02-24 21:23:14 jbrinley @known pmurray 2009-02-24 21:23:15 zoia jbrinley: pmurray's URI is 2009-02-24 21:23:44 pmurray @battle 2009-02-24 21:23:44 zoia pmurray: POWERED BY WINDOWS VISTA 2009-02-24 21:47:39 zoia New news from planetcode4lib: del.icio.us: code4lib | coders for libraries, libraries for coders 2009-02-24 21:54:11 ejk @rate pyrhon python 2009-02-24 21:54:14 zoia ejk: pyrhon: 10.0; python: 8.5. pyrhon rocks! 2009-02-24 22:21:39 JodiS @knows JodiS mbklein 2009-02-24 22:21:43 zoia JodiS: JodiS and mbklein do not know each other. 2009-02-24 22:25:10 robcaSSon JodiS: eat anyplace interesting tonight? 2009-02-24 22:25:28 JodiS robcaSSon: Italian place in Hill 2009-02-24 22:25:39 JodiS robcaSSon: great company, awesome salad, expensive pasta 2009-02-24 22:25:49 robcaSSon Federal Hill....yeah, i'm hoping to get up there sometime 2009-02-24 22:25:58 JodiS robcaSSon: many places to choose from 2009-02-24 22:26:06 JodiS you? 2009-02-24 22:26:27 robcaSSon got some sushi at a place called Club 10. it was good...we spent a ton of money :) 2009-02-24 22:26:38 ejk he ate a boat 2009-02-24 22:26:47 robcaSSon ejk++ # lol 2009-02-24 22:28:52 JodiS sushi_boats++ 2009-02-24 22:30:38 ejk robcaSSon: did you guys see me fall on my ass tripping on the curb while I was running back to the hotel? 2009-02-24 22:31:10 robcaSSon ejk: nope....ugh. 2009-02-24 22:31:13 robcaSSon hit some ice? 2009-02-24 22:31:58 ejk nope, just careless. 2009-02-24 22:32:33 ejk I assume you ran into the basketball fans, though 2009-02-24 22:32:53 ejk Providence beat the #1 team 2009-02-24 22:32:54 robcaSSon yeah....we were a bit confused at first. 2009-02-24 22:32:58 robcaSSon wow. 2009-02-24 22:34:24 wickr the University of Providence ;) 2009-02-24 22:35:05 dchud sure is quiet down here in the handel room 2009-02-24 22:36:15 ejk providencebasketball++ 2009-02-24 22:36:34 tomkeays @know 2009-02-24 22:36:35 zoia tomkeays: (know [] ) -- Associates the given URI with the given nick. If the nick already has a URI, it will be forgotten. Defaults to the calling user. 2009-02-24 22:38:07 tomkeays @know tomkeays http://tomkeays.com/about/foaf.rdf#tomkeays 2009-02-24 22:38:08 zoia tomkeays: tomkeays's URI is now 2009-02-24 22:38:30 tomkeays @know 2009-02-24 22:38:31 zoia tomkeays: (know [] ) -- Associates the given URI with the given nick. If the nick already has a URI, it will be forgotten. Defaults to the calling user. 2009-02-24 22:42:41 robcaSSon @know robcaSSon http://foam.lib.muohio.edu/foaf.rdf#me 2009-02-24 22:42:43 zoia robcaSSon: robcaSSon's URI is now 2009-02-24 22:44:10 robcaSSon i need to look more closely at the foaf stuff, as mine is currently a cut-n-paste job 2009-02-24 22:47:53 zoia New news from planetcode4lib: Leggott, Mark: How Silly Can We Get? || Leggott, Mark: Latest Evergreen Release Available || Leggott, Mark: Conors Comics 10 || Leggott, Mark: Conor Comics 9 do i need zoia to reload my foaf? 2009-02-24 22:59:53 pmurray @foaf 2009-02-24 22:59:54 zoia pmurray: (foaf ) -- Returns the objects of the given predicate in the given nick's FOAF. 2009-02-24 23:00:00 pmurray @list foaf 2009-02-24 23:00:00 zoia pmurray: common, foaf, forget, know, known, knows, and predicates 2009-02-24 23:00:11 wickr good question, not sure if it caches the file or pulls it each time 2009-02-24 23:00:18 robcaSSon @know robcaSSon http://foam.lib.muohio.edu/foaf.rdf#me 2009-02-24 23:00:19 zoia robcaSSon: robcaSSon's URI is now 2009-02-24 23:00:23 robcaSSon @knows robcaSSon pmurray 2009-02-24 23:00:25 zoia robcaSSon: robcaSSon does not know pmurray, but pmurray knows robcaSSon. 2009-02-24 23:01:47 robcaSSon robcaSSon is gonna call it a night. 2009-02-24 23:01:52 dchud pmurray: i don't know what you're talking about. i came here to do exactly that. 2009-02-24 23:01:53 robcaSSon peace. 2009-02-24 23:02:33 zoia Ŧåĸŏ 2009-02-24 23:03:00 pmurray dchud: Perhaps, but from afar -- not in the thick of things -- hot MARC parsing action makes my skin crawl. 2009-02-24 23:03:10 pmurray G'night all. 2009-02-24 23:05:27 wickr @later tell robcaSSon I think you need #me on the end of your for pmurray 2009-02-24 23:05:28 zoia wickr: The operation succeeded. 2009-02-24 23:05:35 lbjay my understanding is that zoia hits the specified profiles each time 2009-02-24 23:06:34 wickr lbjay: ok, so it knows the address, it doesn't really know the file 2009-02-24 23:06:43 gsf lbjay: did you hear about the action in the handel room? 2009-02-24 23:07:29 dchud we hear footsteps 2009-02-24 23:07:31 dchud uh-oh 2009-02-24 23:07:44 gsf not a joiner 2009-02-24 23:07:47 dchud phew! close call. 2009-02-24 23:10:04 mjg_ word up. 2009-02-24 23:10:23 fak3r mjg_: there you are 2009-02-24 23:11:28 mjg_ fak3r: :) Needed to lie down, but that doesn't prevent me from IRCing ;) 2009-02-24 23:11:43 mjg_ sat on stools too much today. kills my back. 2009-02-24 23:13:23 lbjay @knows lbjay robcaSSon 2009-02-24 23:13:25 zoia lbjay: lbjay and robcaSSon know each other. 2009-02-24 23:13:47 lbjay broaf++ 2009-02-24 23:15:02 mjg_ Um 2009-02-24 23:15:11 mjg_ So, why would anyone admit to knowing robcaSSon? 2009-02-24 23:15:18 fak3r mjg_: understood, thanks for letting me join up tonight, met more kewl folks; appreciate it! 2009-02-24 23:15:45 mjg_ fak3r: thanks for joining us, man. I kinda thought you and Matty would hit it off. He's a good friend of mine. 2009-02-24 23:16:38 lbjay mjg_: gotta maintain my connection 2009-02-24 23:18:00 zoia New news from planetcode4lib: Coombs, Karen: WorldCat Search API App Demo || Chudnov, Dan: code4lib 2009 talk on caching and proxying linked data || Leggott, Mark: How Silly Can We Get? || Leggott, 2009-02-24 23:18:11 fak3r mjg_: talking about bands is good for me, need to do it more 2009-02-24 23:18:30 gsf broaf++ 2009-02-24 23:18:34 fak3r I've said it before, and I'll say it again: mark leggott++ 2009-02-24 23:18:37 dchud heh 2009-02-24 23:18:42 dchud mark_leggott++ 2009-02-24 23:18:54 dchud he's the #2 reason to go to access this year... you know it'll be good 2009-02-24 23:19:26 _ksclarke is #1 because it's in PEI? 2009-02-24 23:20:05 fak3r PEI is beautiful, I'm a big fan, but he's running a sharp shop up there. 2009-02-24 23:20:06 mjg_ #1 reason not to go is because I may be there. 2009-02-24 23:20:52 dchud #1 is that it's Access, and it's in PEI :) 2009-02-24 23:20:59 lbjay lbjay now offically wants a kindle 2009-02-24 23:21:23 dchud for a second i thought he was going to lock us in. 2009-02-24 23:21:28 mjg_ anyone see Obama's address tonight? 2009-02-24 23:21:30 lbjay when is access? 2009-02-24 23:21:40 mjg_ I'm watching coverage on MSNBC but, meh. 2009-02-24 23:21:48 mjg_ lbjay: usually October. 2009-02-24 23:21:52 mjg_ mid-October? 2009-02-24 23:22:26 fak3r me in cool waters (at night) on the north side of PEI: http://www.flickr.com/photos/fak3r/2821348695/in/set-72157607905125892/ 2009-02-24 23:22:34 lbjay mmm, i can almost taste the mussels 2009-02-24 23:22:37 dchud it starts right around the start of sukkot 2009-02-24 23:22:48 dchud http://vre.upei.ca/access2009/ 2009-02-24 23:22:50 lbjay @whatis sukkot 2009-02-24 23:22:53 fak3r lbjay: mussels, lobster, canadian beer 2009-02-24 23:22:57 rsinger dchud: are you still 'whatever-ing'? 2009-02-24 23:23:00 zoia lbjay: caption: Exterior views of sukkahs in Jerusalem, Israel; imgsize: 300; observances: Eating in '' sukkah'', taking the Four Species, ''hakafot'' in Synagogue.; date2010: sunset, to sunset, / 30; begins: 15th day of Tishrei; holidayName: Sukkot; label: Sukkot; forProperty: Feast of Tabernacles (Christian holiday); forProperty: Sukkah (Talmud); forProperty: the tractate of the Talmud; (3 more messages) 2009-02-24 23:24:01 dchud rsinger: if by "whatever-ing" you mean "adding minimal json support to pymarc in the handel room where THE JOINT IS ROCKIN'" then, why, yes, i am 2009-02-24 23:24:18 mjg_ I thought Handel closed at 11pm. 2009-02-24 23:24:22 rsinger dchud: define 'joint is rockin'" 2009-02-24 23:24:30 rsinger dchud: with don dokken? 2009-02-24 23:24:34 dchud guy just came by to lock the door but said we were okay to stay here 2009-02-24 23:24:35 rsinger and what mjg_ said 2009-02-24 23:24:45 rsinger dchud: who is we? 2009-02-24 23:25:17 dchud gsf, me, and everybody else 2009-02-24 23:25:29 lbjay is there beer? 2009-02-24 23:25:30 mjg_ is iand still around? I meant to corner him and ask about linked data + genealogy. 2009-02-24 23:25:54 dchud lbjay: i'm not going to say no. 2009-02-24 23:25:57 mjg_ fak3r: I see you have feet. 's good to have them. 2009-02-24 23:26:02 rsinger i'm there 2009-02-24 23:26:13 lbjay lbjay 2nd guesses his early retirement 2009-02-24 23:26:23 dchud WOOH 50% GROWTH RATE 2009-02-24 23:26:24 mjg_ mjg_ gave up on beer and socializing in meatspace. stupid sore back. 2009-02-24 23:26:32 dchud WOOH SUSTAINED GROWTH 2009-02-24 23:26:41 gsf mjg_: i hear you. rest up 2009-02-24 23:26:42 wickr lbjay: you want a Kindle 1 or 2? 2009-02-24 23:26:58 lbjay wickr: the one that will read to me in the car 2009-02-24 23:27:05 dchud mjg_: i would offer you ibuprofen but all i have is aspirin 2009-02-24 23:27:06 fak3r fak3r predict - lbjay slow on the IRC speed slam manana 2009-02-24 23:27:34 lbjay mjg_: i've got some advils 2009-02-24 23:27:43 fak3r mjg_: I can offer a beer - Newcastle is all I have. won't stop the pain, just make you forget it (for the night) 2009-02-24 23:27:44 wickr lbjay: uh, is that v.2? I only asked because a woman sitting at my table today was selling v.1 2009-02-24 23:27:56 lbjay wickr: an nicole hennig? 2009-02-24 23:28:00 iand mjg_: I'm around... grab me tomorrow 2009-02-24 23:28:03 mjg_ thanks, dudes. I think I have some too, but this is a "need to lie down and sleep and all will be better in the morn" kinda thang. 2009-02-24 23:28:03 lbjay s/an/ahh/ 2009-02-24 23:28:04 wickr lbjay: yeah 2009-02-24 23:28:13 gsf http://arstechnica.com/open-source/news/2008/07/symbian-open-source-strategy-explained-at-oscon.ars 2009-02-24 23:28:15 _ksclarke @quote random 2009-02-24 23:28:15 zoia _ksclarke: Quote #1089: " jrochkind is now a tattoo-artist who said Guns don't kill people; magic kills people." (added by jbrinley at 01:10 PM, December 06, 2007) 2009-02-24 23:28:17 mjg_ iand++ # cool, thanks. I am a rank amateur but edsu said I might pick your brain. 2009-02-24 23:28:24 mjg_ mjg_ is also generally rank. 2009-02-24 23:28:25 fak3r symbian-- 2009-02-24 23:28:28 fak3r android++ 2009-02-24 23:28:36 fak3r mjg_: good to know 2009-02-24 23:28:38 wickr android++ 2009-02-24 23:28:44 mjg_ thanks all for offers of beer and meds. 2009-02-24 23:28:48 iand mjg_: :) 2009-02-24 23:28:52 dchud i'm very curious to know what iand thought of my rant yesterday 2009-02-24 23:28:54 wickr two things that go great together 2009-02-24 23:29:05 fak3r android - I want to be able to update my phone, and have it crash on reboot 2009-02-24 23:29:11 iand dchud: there was nothing to disagree with! 2009-02-24 23:29:20 gsf is android really a superior os? 2009-02-24 23:29:30 mjg_ dchud: I think I recommended to two people today that they seek you out and run ideas past you so as to be subject to the Chudnovian razor. Just FYI. 2009-02-24 23:29:53 fak3r gsf: no, but it's Linux, so it can be, and it's something you can learn/extend and as I always love, break 2009-02-24 23:30:01 gsf dchud and rsinger are exchanging electrons down here 2009-02-24 23:30:21 fak3r Electrons IPA? 2009-02-24 23:30:33 iand dchud: I'll be talking about decentralisation of data on Thursday (but not the engineering of... the principle) 2009-02-24 23:30:33 lbjay lbjay is headed down 2009-02-24 23:30:43 gsf fak3r: true and agreed. symbian could be more like that once it's open, which is good 2009-02-24 23:31:07 fak3r iand: I'd like to talk to you about that - decentralisation of data 2009-02-24 23:31:14 lbjay lbjay is in the elevator 2009-02-24 23:31:19 dchud iand: cool, i'll be looking forward to that 2009-02-24 23:31:38 iand as far as I'm concerned we need to mirror and repeat as much as possible 2009-02-24 23:31:58 iand single copies == single point of failure 2009-02-24 23:32:10 dchud mjg_: well alright then 2009-02-24 23:32:21 dchud iand: great! i'd like to plan a little experiment 2009-02-24 23:32:26 fak3r we have to count on computers/hardware failing, so we can plan ahead how to deal with it 2009-02-24 23:32:39 dchud is there space on the docket for a conversation over a breakout tomorrow? 2009-02-24 23:33:04 iand fak3r: I'm still awake so ask away unless you'd rather do it f2f 2009-02-24 23:33:19 dchud iand: oh i just saw your line about not disagreeing... DAMN i was really trying to raise your ire. i guess i failed like anarchivist. 2009-02-24 23:33:33 iand dchud: LOL 2009-02-24 23:33:50 fak3r iand: I'm all about it, have done testing on distributed file systems (gluster, hdfs, luster (sun)) and the feature of having full copies spread amongst multiple providers is the way to go 2009-02-24 23:34:13 mjg_ dchud: UCSD dudes were interested in BagIt, btw. Way to go. I told them they could look up Leslie for more info. 2009-02-24 23:34:38 dchud mjg_: awesome! cicer0 from yale also told me they were planning to use it :) 2009-02-24 23:34:45 fak3r iand: also, I've been itching to get some sort of Bittorrent feature rolling - have trackerless clients, have new torrents being dist via RSS, clients pick up the new RSS and start distributing... 2009-02-24 23:34:48 mjg_ edsu: got a few folks who commented positively on both lcsh.info and yer foaf app. thought you'd wanna know. 2009-02-24 23:34:57 mjg_ sweet! 2009-02-24 23:35:05 iand dchud: you'd only raise my ire if you were saying we need to control the dissemination of data 2009-02-24 23:35:49 iand fak3r: isn't the best way to distribute data to make it available and useful to people so they take copies? 2009-02-24 23:37:07 mjg_ reminds me of the "movage" concept edsu was talking about a few months ago on the digital-curation list. 2009-02-24 23:37:37 fak3r iand: absolutely - be it Libraries, other museums or 'joe' the webmaster - who cares as long as the md5sums match, anyone can participate and help the network be more robust. bittorrent the great equalizer 2009-02-24 23:38:16 iand freenet had this concept whereby the number of copies of each file was related to the number of requests 2009-02-24 23:38:20 fak3r I don't think an autonomous bittorrent solution has been seriously considered, I'd like to try ti 2009-02-24 23:38:39 iand although they allowed files to die if no-one loved them 2009-02-24 23:39:05 fak3r yeah, talked to the freenet ppl (based in Austin) but their stuff was all encrypted. not bad, but we don't want to hide anything. didn't know about the files 'dying' - no likely that 2009-02-24 23:39:24 iand I think it was mainly because of finite capacity of freenet nodes 2009-02-24 23:39:36 fak3r but that kind of protocol would work - but again, everyone bittorrents (mostly) 2009-02-24 23:41:16 iand dchud: I think there is a bit of blinkered thinking going on in the linked data world, because of the emphasis on retrieving data from a URI. it's getting turned into "the only relevant data is at that URI" which isn't true - it's just one source of many 2009-02-24 23:41:20 fak3r iand: but I'm up for doing a proof of concept of either/both 2009-02-24 23:42:08 fak3r iand: right, like if a node goes dark for a bit, we don't want that data to get dropped, it's valid until a new iteration comes along 2009-02-24 23:42:20 fak3r jay_leno_jokes-- 2009-02-24 23:42:45 iand automated bitttorrent sounds cool... so every participating node would continually exchange data with others 2009-02-24 23:43:26 fak3r right, again, they'd automate RSS feeds, clients would auto pick those up and start dnld/seeding. 2009-02-24 23:44:24 iand if it used atom then wouldn't there be a natural fit with jangle? 2009-02-24 23:44:55 JodiS how do I get n3 from LIBRIS? 2009-02-24 23:44:56 fak3r not a perfect plan, but the steps I desc are functions of apps out there...so it'd be a matter of get thing it rolling and have others join to keep it going/make it more robust 2009-02-24 23:45:28 jeff there was a semi-automated bittorrent project for public access tv / community media centers, went by the nae "digital bicycle". domain seems to be defunct now. 2009-02-24 23:45:44 fak3r iand: I think jangle could/should be a natural fit, I don't know enough of jangle to really say though (I can hum a bit of it, but that's it) 2009-02-24 23:45:55 mjg_ JodiS: you can use curl and provide "--header 'Accept: text/rdf+n3'" or install a ffx extension that allows you to add that header. 2009-02-24 23:46:21 mjg_ or perhaps libris will let you request a resource w/ the .n3 extension and it'll do the smart thing? 2009-02-24 23:46:27 iand just imagine jangle as a bunch of atom feeds in front of useful sources of library data (plus a protocol to update them) 2009-02-24 23:46:38 fak3r there was another thing in Austin, Cobra or somthing, but very limited. then there's a more spec library project based on dist via bittorrent, but hasn't been updated in years. 2009-02-24 23:46:57 fak3r iand: that sounds good, if I can 'curl' it, we can make it werk 2009-02-24 23:47:20 JodiS mjg++ 2009-02-24 23:47:40 JodiS mjg: no, .n3 not understood 2009-02-24 23:47:41 iand curl++ 2009-02-24 23:48:08 zoia New news from planetcode4lib: del.icio.us: Code4Lib 2009 - a set on Flickr || Chudnov, Dan: code4lib 2009 talk on caching and proxying linked data 2009-02-24 23:48:44 jbrinley goodnight, all 2009-02-24 23:49:34 dchud dchud @quote add "lbjay: i am not the architect you're looking for" 2009-02-24 23:49:35 zoia dchud: Error: You must be registered to use this command. If you are already registered, you must either identify (using the identify command) or add a hostmask matching your current hostmask (using the "hostmask add" command). 2009-02-24 23:50:10 mjg_ rachel_maddow+- # kind of amusing, but is basically Keith Olbermann sans testosterone. 2009-02-24 23:50:12 dchud dchud @quote add "lbjay: i am not the architect you're looking for" 2009-02-24 23:50:12 zoia dchud: The operation succeeded. Quote #1733 added. 2009-02-24 23:51:07 anarchivist_r @quote random 2009-02-24 23:51:08 zoia anarchivist_room: Quote #1005: " Some say the world will end in fire; some say in segfaults." (added by robcaSSon at 01:18 PM, September 06, 2007) 2009-02-24 23:52:24 anarchivist is there a hospitality suite? 2009-02-24 23:52:33 mjg_ anarchivist: Handel room, Temple level 2009-02-24 23:52:38 anarchivist mjg_: still open? 2009-02-24 23:52:48 wtd Closed at 11, according to what they said. 2009-02-24 23:52:51 mjg_ anarchivist: yes, but there are some unsavory characters in there. 2009-02-24 23:52:54 fak3r mjg_: rachel smiles much more 2009-02-24 23:53:01 anarchivist anarchivist just came from temple 2009-02-24 23:53:03 mjg_ fak3r: true! 2009-02-24 23:53:05 anarchivist r people h4ck1ng? 2009-02-24 23:53:21 fak3r hak`1ingf2tw@! 2009-02-24 23:53:29 mjg_ something about json support in pymarc. 2009-02-24 23:53:30 miker_ it was never open :( 2009-02-24 23:53:50 wtd miker: same as last night, then! :( 2009-02-24 23:53:52 dbs dbs buys miker_ a consolatory beer 2009-02-24 23:54:03 mjg_ I have bacon in my room. Who needs a hospitality suite? 2009-02-24 23:54:23 anarchivist ahhh 2009-02-24 23:54:24 fak3r *crickets* 2009-02-24 23:54:24 dchud mjg_: we have rsinger in our hospitality suite. who needs bacon? 2009-02-24 23:54:27 anarchivist so good t have the boots off 2009-02-24 23:54:38 mjg_ @rate bacon rsinger 2009-02-24 23:54:41 zoia mjg_: bacon: 9.9; rsinger: 10.0. rsinger rocks! 2009-02-24 23:54:45 mjg_ :O 2009-02-24 23:54:51 wtd wtd laughs at dbs's latest tweet. "Are you sure you know what you're talking about?" 2009-02-24 23:54:56 miker_ unacceptable! 2009-02-24 23:54:59 kgs_ just enjoying my chocolate truffles and face spritz 2009-02-24 23:55:09 dchud rsinger is doing a dance of joy at his victory 2009-02-24 23:55:32 mjg_ rsinger is cool and all but I don't want him anywhere near my cheezburger. 2009-02-24 23:55:33 anarchivist kgs_-- 2009-02-24 23:55:42 anarchivist kgs_: i have no face mist 2009-02-24 23:55:43 kgs_ :-) 2009-02-24 23:55:55 kgs_ ahhh. and the turndown is so nice too 2009-02-24 23:55:57 anarchivist kgs_: just me, my intimacy kit, and season 1 of "heroes" 2009-02-24 23:56:05 fak3r Ikan haz ur data via OWL_OIA? 2009-02-24 23:56:07 dbs wtd: I tweet once a week, slowly increasing my jerk factor each week. 2009-02-24 23:56:42 kgs_ dbs who are you on twitter? 2009-02-24 23:56:52 dbs kgs_: denials 2009-02-24 23:57:09 dbs this kind of tweet raises my ire, though: "we looked @ vufind & decided to co in another direction. our ils is evergreen, which @ this time limits us" 2009-02-24 23:57:21 fak3r I am now following denials 2009-02-24 23:57:25 kgs_ hmmmm 2009-02-24 23:57:47 fak3r dbs: s/co/go/g ? 2009-02-24 23:57:50 kgs_ I track evergreen tweets but have been web-challenged here 2009-02-24 23:57:55 mjg_ Evergreen sucks. I hear they don't even do acquisitions. No EDI support? Come ON! 2009-02-24 23:58:03 mjg_ mjg_ -- 2009-02-24 23:58:04 anarchivist mjg_-- 2009-02-24 23:58:11 anarchivist speaking of -- 2009-02-24 23:58:24 anarchivist anarchivist wants paczki :( 2009-02-24 23:58:26 fak3r ouch, BigD, discuss! 2009-02-24 23:58:28 mjg_ BigD: you are unwanted. 2009-02-24 23:58:31 anarchivist mmm lard donuts 2009-02-24 23:58:38 kgs_ oh right... it's like almost Lent 2009-02-24 23:58:39 dbs mjgiarlo++ # fair enough :) 2009-02-24 23:58:41 wtd dbs: By the way, I am countering America by listening to Rush. 2009-02-24 23:58:47 dbs wtd++ 2009-02-24 23:58:54 dchud @canuck i want to try out couchdb from the apache foundation 2009-02-24 23:58:54 zoia dchud: i want to try oat coachdb from the apawchee foundation, eh? 2009-02-24 23:59:05 fak3r wtf++ 2009-02-24 23:59:08 anarchivist wtd++ 2009-02-24 23:59:11 mjg_ dbs++ # yeah, I suck. 2009-02-24 23:59:16 fak3r couchdb, or as I called it in chan today, sofadb 2009-02-24 23:59:26 anarchivist mjg_ is sofa king 2009-02-24 23:59:32 fak3r fak3r nver makss mistakes 2009-02-24 23:59:32 wtd dchud, we were talking about your and Library Geeks at dinner. Any chance of more? We miss them. 2009-02-24 23:59:32 mjg_ mjg_ is wee todd ed 2009-02-24 23:59:42 fak3r anarchivist: I am sofa king, we, todd, ed. 2009-02-25 00:00:15 fak3r aquaTeenHungerForceJokes++ 2009-02-25 00:00:37 mjg_ ATHF++ 2009-02-25 00:01:05 anarchivist http://icanhascheezburger.files.wordpress.com/2009/02/funny-pictures-your-cat-should-be-doused-in-holy-water.jpg 2009-02-25 00:01:06 fak3r drewBarrymore-- 2009-02-25 00:01:11 mjg_ I can safely say that in a world without Meatwad, I might never have met my wife. 2009-02-25 00:01:35 fak3r mjg_: that's a comment to get behind 2009-02-25 00:02:31 mjg_ Speaking of, I forgot to call her tonight. Whoops. 2009-02-25 00:02:35 mjg_ brrrrring brrrrring 2009-02-25 00:02:50 mbklein tsk 2009-02-25 00:03:54 mbklein @known 2009-02-25 00:03:56 zoia zoia mbklein: I know URIs for the following users: Baroquem, BigD, BillDueber, JodiS, MrDys, abarrera, akorphan, anarchivist, asnagy, atz, bess, cazzerson, cbeer, charper, dlovins, ecorrado, ejk, escowles, fak3r, flighty, gsf, jphipps, jstroop, kgs, ksclarke, lbjay, liza31337, mbklein, mjg_, pmurray, ranti, robcaSSon, rsinger, scolford, smkiewel, tomkeays, wickr, wtd, zoia 2009-02-25 00:04:23 mbklein Awesome 2009-02-25 00:04:24 MrDys yes, zoia, yes you do 2009-02-25 00:04:58 wtd @knows wtd zoia 2009-02-25 00:05:01 zoia wtd: wtd does not know zoia, but zoia knows wtd. 2009-02-25 00:05:13 MrDys mbklein: http://blogs.citypages.com/gimmenoise/images/mk2_fatality.png 2009-02-25 00:05:14 MrDys tomorrow. 2009-02-25 00:05:32 mbklein oh HELL no 2009-02-25 00:05:35 mbklein :) 2009-02-25 00:05:45 mbklein I'll only accept a Babality 2009-02-25 00:05:49 anarchivist MrDys++ 2009-02-25 00:05:53 anarchivist mbklein++ 2009-02-25 00:07:52 lbjay @dunno add why don't you just use the python library? 2009-02-25 00:07:54 zoia lbjay: The operation succeeded. Dunno #302 added. 2009-02-25 00:08:18 lbjay @known lbjay 2009-02-25 00:08:20 zoia lbjay: lbjay's URI is 2009-02-25 00:08:29 MrDys @band 2009-02-25 00:08:30 lbjay @list FOAF 2009-02-25 00:08:30 zoia MrDys: Plus-Six Battle-Axe 2009-02-25 00:08:32 zoia lbjay: common, foaf, forget, know, known, knows, and predicates 2009-02-25 00:08:39 lbjay @knows lbjay 2009-02-25 00:08:40 zoia lbjay: (knows ) -- Determines if the two given nicks know each other based on their registered FOAFs. 2009-02-25 00:08:43 lbjay @knows lbjay zoia 2009-02-25 00:08:46 zoia lbjay: lbjay does not know zoia, but zoia knows lbjay. 2009-02-25 00:08:54 lbjay ^ not true 2009-02-25 00:09:29 mjg_ @help predicates 2009-02-25 00:09:31 zoia mjg_: (predicates ) -- Displays the relationships that have been asserted by the given nick about the other nick or URI. 2009-02-25 00:10:10 mbklein mbklein @foaf lbjay knows 2009-02-25 00:10:11 zoia zoia mbklein: lbjay : , , , , , , , , , , (2 more messages) 2009-02-25 00:10:29 mbklein @more 2009-02-25 00:10:29 zoia mbklein: , , , , , , , , , , (1 more message) 2009-02-25 00:11:16 mjg_ @foaf mjg_ currentProject 2009-02-25 00:11:18 zoia mjg_: mjg_ : , 2009-02-25 00:11:21 mbklein mbklein @say lbjay: You've got http://rc98.net/foaf#me where you should have [known zoia] 2009-02-25 00:11:22 zoia mbklein: Error: You must be registered to use this command. If you are already registered, you must either identify (using the identify command) or add a hostmask matching your current hostmask (using the "hostmask add" command). 2009-02-25 00:11:41 anarchivist @known zoia 2009-02-25 00:11:42 zoia anarchivist: zoia's URI is 2009-02-25 00:11:43 mbklein mbklein @say lbjay: You've got http://rc98.net/foaf#me where you should have [known zoia] 2009-02-25 00:11:43 zoia lbjay: You've got http://rc98.net/foaf#me where you should have zoia's URI is 2009-02-25 00:12:30 MrDys @quote random 2009-02-25 00:12:31 zoia MrDys: Quote #1138: " man is a bad animal" (added by edsu at 08:46 AM, January 25, 2008) 2009-02-25 00:12:44 mbklein Lots of people seem to have used that URI for zoia, which is understandable, but wrong. :) 2009-02-25 00:12:52 mbklein @knows mbklein zoia 2009-02-25 00:12:54 zoia mbklein: mbklein does not know zoia, but zoia knows mbklein. 2009-02-25 00:13:04 dchud wtd: definitely a chance of more. i'd meant to do more after the jangle one with rsinger but broke the hand and stuff 2009-02-25 00:13:34 iand foaf:knows is symmetric, i.e. if a foaf:knows b then you can infer that b foaf:knows a 2009-02-25 00:14:06 anarchivist iand++ 2009-02-25 00:14:27 lbjay mbklein: thanks 2009-02-25 00:14:32 lbjay @knows lbjay zoia 2009-02-25 00:14:33 wtd dchud: Excellent! Hope to hear more in the spring. 2009-02-25 00:14:35 zoia lbjay: lbjay and zoia know each other. 2009-02-25 00:14:44 mbklein iand: Really? OK. So by asserting that I know someone, I force them to know me too? 2009-02-25 00:14:47 anarchivist BigD: still up big fella? 2009-02-25 00:14:57 anarchivist BigD: we should push on bradw to do a lightning talk 2009-02-25 00:15:01 iand foaf:knows is pretty weak semantically... best thought of as "maybe glanced at while walking quickly past them" 2009-02-25 00:15:19 jaf @quote random 2009-02-25 00:15:21 zoia jaf: Quote #1284: " I'm going to turn into an Office Space parody of myself if I'm not careful" (added by ksclarke at 04:29 PM, March 26, 2008) 2009-02-25 00:15:22 fak3r jay_leno_serving_up_questions-- 2009-02-25 00:15:44 fak3r "is this good for the company?" 2009-02-25 00:15:58 fak3r lumberg++ 2009-02-25 00:16:01 lbjay much better is foaf:iknowabelincolnandyousirarenoabelincoln 2009-02-25 00:16:07 fak3r fak3r zzz 2009-02-25 00:16:17 mbklein Interesting. Right now we're parsing everyone's FOAF (except zoia's) on the fly to allow for quick changes, and to keep the graph from getting huge. 2009-02-25 00:17:13 dchud wtd: the one you and i did was definitely the most fun :) 2009-02-25 00:17:49 lbjay that reminds me, no one's done any ray carver titled lightning talks 2009-02-25 00:18:00 wtd dchud: That was a fun night. 2009-02-25 00:18:28 dchud wtd: my only regret is that i kept freaking interrupting you 2009-02-25 00:18:32 dchud :( 2009-02-25 00:18:48 mbklein @knows mbklein zoia 2009-02-25 00:18:50 zoia mbklein: mbklein and zoia know each other. 2009-02-25 00:19:03 MrDys @knows anarchivist [band] 2009-02-25 00:19:03 wtd dchud: I don't remember that at all. I just remember a nice talk in a fine hotel bar. 2009-02-25 00:19:03 zoia MrDys: Error: 'The Second Gunmen' is not a valid nick. 2009-02-25 00:19:06 dbs Access 2006 + one big library podcasts were what kept my hope alive for libraries. bastards. 2009-02-25 00:19:30 jaf jaf can't wait to see the conference video 2009-02-25 00:19:39 dchud dbs: yeah, and look at us now, we're mocking you with a bot 2009-02-25 00:19:44 wtd That was my first Access. "These are my peeople," I said to myself. 2009-02-25 00:19:56 wtd Except I spelled it "people." 2009-02-25 00:19:58 mbklein @known 2009-02-25 00:19:59 zoia zoia mbklein: I know URIs for the following users: Baroquem, BigD, BillDueber, JodiS, MrDys, abarrera, akorphan, anarchivist, asnagy, atz, bess, cazzerson, cbeer, charper, dlovins, ecorrado, ejk, escowles, fak3r, flighty, gsf, jphipps, jstroop, kgs, ksclarke, lbjay, liza31337, mbklein, mjg_, pmurray, ranti, robcaSSon, rsinger, scolford, smkiewel, tomkeays, wickr, wtd, zoia 2009-02-25 00:20:08 dchud wtd: that's toouching. 2009-02-25 00:20:10 mbklein wtd: You spelled it that way when you said it to yourself? 2009-02-25 00:20:25 MrDys sound it out in your head 2009-02-25 00:20:35 mjg_ code4lib 2006 kept me in libraries 2009-02-25 00:20:41 dchud "will you please return the book, please?" 2009-02-25 00:20:46 mjg_ to our collective detriment. 2009-02-25 00:20:59 lbjay http://wiki.code4lib.org/index.php/Code4lib2009Notes 2009-02-25 00:21:08 jaf mjg_: ah, but the key word is 'collective' 2009-02-25 00:21:16 mbklein @common interest robcaSSon BigD anarchivist mbklein 2009-02-25 00:21:20 wtd dchud: edsu suggested a breakout session on One Big Library tomorrow. 2009-02-25 00:21:34 mjg_ mjg_ , dragging us down since 2006 2009-02-25 00:21:35 zoia mbklein: Error: I tried to send you an empty message. 2009-02-25 00:21:40 lbjay @quote add i'm a prickly bugger 2009-02-25 00:21:41 zoia lbjay: The operation succeeded. Quote #1734 added. 2009-02-25 00:24:31 jaf wtd: was there talk about One Big Library today? 2009-02-25 00:24:31 MrDys awesometown: http://blog.freebase.com/2009/02/24/freebase-now-available-as-a-public-data-set-on-aws/ 2009-02-25 00:25:16 anarchivist BigD1: hey 2009-02-25 00:25:20 mbklein @reload FOAF 2009-02-25 00:25:20 zoia mbklein: Error: invalid syntax (plugin.py, line 107) 2009-02-25 00:25:27 anarchivist BigD1: we should push bradw to do a lightning talk 2009-02-25 00:25:37 wtd jaf: No. 2009-02-25 00:25:49 jaf ah - that would be cool, tho 2009-02-25 00:25:56 zoia Ŧåĸŏ 2009-02-25 00:26:01 mbklein @reload FOAF 2009-02-25 00:26:02 zoia mbklein: Error: There was no plugin FOAF. 2009-02-25 00:26:06 mbklein load FOAF 2009-02-25 00:26:25 mbklein @load FOAF 2009-02-25 00:26:27 zoia mbklein: The operation succeeded. 2009-02-25 00:26:31 mbklein @common interest robcaSSon BigD anarchivist mbklein 2009-02-25 00:26:31 jaf jaf is wondering if he puts together a virtual lightning talk, would it get selected for the lightning talk session tomorrow.... 2009-02-25 00:26:49 zoia mbklein: No common s found. 2009-02-25 00:26:58 mbklein @common interest mjg_ edsu 2009-02-25 00:26:59 zoia mbklein: I don't know edsu's URI. 2009-02-25 00:27:03 jaf dchud: Peter Young is scary smart 2009-02-25 00:27:14 mbklein @common interest mjg_ anarchivist 2009-02-25 00:27:15 zoia mbklein: , , 2009-02-25 00:27:23 mjg_ what else is there? 2009-02-25 00:27:29 BigD1 anarchivist: he's thinking of doing one on chronopolis 2009-02-25 00:27:36 anarchivist BigD1: awesome 2009-02-25 00:27:39 mbklein mjg_: Go curate your digital beer. 2009-02-25 00:27:47 anarchivist BigD1: really he should do an update on the AT too 2009-02-25 00:27:54 anarchivist BigD1: or cram both into a 5 min slot 2009-02-25 00:28:00 mjg_ cram++ 2009-02-25 00:28:14 mbklein @seen edsu 2009-02-25 00:28:14 zoia mbklein: edsu was last seen in #code4lib 7 hours, 8 minutes, and 16 seconds ago: pyrhon = ruby interpreter written in python 2009-02-25 00:28:45 BigD1 anarchivist: twss 2009-02-25 00:29:01 anarchivist BigD1-- 2009-02-25 00:29:06 mbklein @later tell edsu Is the crawler no longer crawling? The log ends Monday. 2009-02-25 00:29:06 zoia mbklein: The operation succeeded. 2009-02-25 00:30:03 lbjay dchud++ # for pointing out that code{4}lib logo = codecodecodecodelib 2009-02-25 00:30:54 mbklein sleepy mbklein is sleepy. 'night everybody. 2009-02-25 00:31:08 gsf 'night mbklein 2009-02-25 00:34:38 mjg_ sleepy_time++ 2009-02-25 00:37:59 BigD jaf: i think it would 2009-02-25 00:38:04 BigD sorry, scrolling back 2009-02-25 00:38:47 jaf BigD: cool, I might try to put one together tonight here in Taipai, if it wouldn't intrude on someone else's slot 2009-02-25 00:40:39 dchud jaf: are you hanging out with Peter Young? 2009-02-25 00:40:50 jaf dchud: a bit - he's here at the workshop 2009-02-25 00:40:55 jaf very nice guy 2009-02-25 00:41:00 dchud i said hi to him the other day at LC 2009-02-25 00:41:03 dchud yeah definitely 2009-02-25 00:41:36 jaf so, it's 1:40 pm Wed. here in Taipai 2009-02-25 00:41:42 jaf I'm literally ahead of your time :) 2009-02-25 00:44:01 rangi rangi still beats ya :) 2009-02-25 00:46:26 BigD jaf: let me know if i can help coordinate on this side 2009-02-25 00:46:38 jaf BigD: cool, thx. will do 2009-02-25 00:46:54 BigD BigD pumpkins 2009-02-25 00:47:31 dchud we are extending OpenVocab! 2009-02-25 00:47:47 anarchivist dchud: how 2009-02-25 00:48:30 dchud anarchivist: we want to be able to state when we are friends of a fro 2009-02-25 00:48:41 anarchivist of a fro? 2009-02-25 00:48:46 dchud foafro 2009-02-25 00:48:50 anarchivist ha 2009-02-25 00:48:53 dchud to go along with broaf 2009-02-25 00:49:43 lbjay ladies and gentlemen, i give you http://open.vocab.org/terms/foafro.html 2009-02-25 00:50:13 anarchivist lbjay++ 2009-02-25 00:50:16 anarchivist dchud++ 2009-02-25 00:51:03 zoia Ŧåĸŏ 2009-02-25 00:52:48 lbjay 2009-02-25 00:54:36 MrDys lbjay++ 2009-02-25 00:55:01 lbjay dchud++ # his idea 2009-02-25 00:55:28 gsf @knows MrDys 2009-02-25 00:55:29 zoia gsf: (knows ) -- Determines if the two given nicks know each other based on their registered FOAFs. 2009-02-25 00:55:40 gsf @known MrDys 2009-02-25 00:55:41 zoia gsf: MrDys's URI is 2009-02-25 00:58:30 MrDys jaf: what are you doing in Taipei? 2009-02-25 00:58:33 gsf @list 2009-02-25 00:58:34 zoia gsf: Acronym, Admin, Amazon, Anagram, Anonymous, Assorted, AudioScrobbler, Band, Calais, Channel, ChannelLogger, Config, CyborgName, DBpedia, Debian, Delicious, Dict, Disemvowel, Dunno, Eef, Etymology, FOAF, Filter, Games, GasPrices, Google, Herald, Insult, Internet, IsItDown, Karma, Kombat, Later, LibraryThing, Linux, Lisppaste, Lolz, MARC, Math, Misc, Motivate, NACO, Nickometer, OCLC, OpenDict, Owner, Pirate, Poll, Praise, (1 more message) 2009-02-25 00:58:40 gsf @more 2009-02-25 00:58:41 zoia gsf: Presidents, Quote, RSS, Reply, Scrabble, Seen, Sing, Stopwords, SucksRocks, Todo, Traffic, Translators, TrueTrue, URL, Unix, UrbanDict, User, WOTD, Weather, Web2, Webopedia, WoGroFuBiCo, WordCount, WordStats, Yum, and Zillow 2009-02-25 00:58:42 jaf MrDys: Attending http://grl2020.net 2009-02-25 00:59:00 MrDys that better be a feminist optricians conference 2009-02-25 00:59:07 jaf heh 2009-02-25 00:59:33 anarchivist MrDys++ 2009-02-25 01:00:08 jaf in hindsight..... 2009-02-25 01:02:06 wtd jaf: That looks interesting. I'll check it out more tomorrow. 2009-02-25 01:02:26 wtd Or today, I guess, from your point of view. Or possibly yesterday. 2009-02-25 01:02:26 jaf wtd: it's good, but no match for c4l 2009-02-25 01:02:57 anarchivist oh dang mohinder suresh is a stud 2009-02-25 01:06:01 lbjay if you've ever wondered what the "lb" in lbjay stands for, tune in to the next episode of Library Geeks 2009-02-25 01:06:25 dchud battery warning 2009-02-25 01:07:53 MrDys lyndon baines 2009-02-25 01:08:21 wtd Pounds. 2009-02-25 01:08:51 lbjay bzzt 2009-02-25 01:09:57 lbjay @hussein mohinder suresh 2009-02-25 01:10:00 zoia lbjay: Shh! Unhideous merriness 2009-02-25 01:10:11 gsf MrDys: re: presenting tomorrow, just got this doc from the hotel: http://rc98.net/macaddress 2009-02-25 01:10:36 anarchivist gsf++ 2009-02-25 01:10:39 MrDys gsf: sly devil 2009-02-25 01:10:46 lbjay lol 2009-02-25 01:10:48 gsf help from edsu and others 2009-02-25 01:10:58 lbjay lbjay wipes tears 2009-02-25 01:11:07 MrDys @rickcheck http://rc98.net/macaddress 2009-02-25 01:11:07 zoia MrDys: your CeCe Winans Featured Selection order has been confirmed! 2009-02-25 01:11:12 MrDys MrDys kicks zoia 2009-02-25 01:11:30 lbjay MrDys: they just worked on that for 30 minutes 2009-02-25 01:11:48 gsf RickCheck and RickGuard were disabled 2009-02-25 01:11:50 gsf bwahahaha 2009-02-25 01:12:03 MrDys you people... 2009-02-25 01:12:07 JodiS gsf-- 2009-02-25 01:12:13 JodiS JodiS grins 2009-02-25 01:12:15 MrDys I kinda want to work that into my presentation now...but I won't 2009-02-25 01:12:34 gsf MrDys: yeah, don't go to any trouble 2009-02-25 01:15:38 gsf but i'll leave it up, just in case 2009-02-25 01:16:00 lbjay lightning talk idea: how to go from nobody to MC in 4 years 2009-02-25 01:17:03 MrDys gsf: you want to see that entry rendered in beautiful JSON? 2009-02-25 01:17:27 gsf MrDys: ooh, yes 2009-02-25 01:17:50 MrDys @lisppaste3 help 2009-02-25 01:17:51 zoia MrDys: pssst! i heard the d in dspace stands for dchud. pass it on. 2009-02-25 01:17:57 MrDys !lisppaste3 help 2009-02-25 01:18:00 gsf @lisppaste help 2009-02-25 01:18:00 zoia lisppaste: help 2009-02-25 01:18:01 lisppaste3 To use the lisppaste bot, visit http://paste.lisp.org/new/code4lib and enter your paste. 2009-02-25 01:18:38 lisppaste3 MrDys pasted "Rickroll auf Freebase" at http://paste.lisp.org/display/76134 2009-02-25 01:18:49 lbjay @dunno search dchud 2009-02-25 01:18:50 zoia lbjay: 1 found: #198: "pssst! i heard the d in dspace stands for..." 2009-02-25 01:19:21 MrDys I question the "films_considered_the_best_ever" tag, but I can see where they're coming from 2009-02-25 01:24:20 gsf MrDys++ 2009-02-25 01:42:31 anarchivist http://anarchivist.enjoysthin.gs/30985 2009-02-25 01:44:51 MrDys time to go hang out w/ Steve 2009-02-25 01:46:16 anarchivist "wear cologne" 2009-02-25 01:47:55 MrDys_zzz the entire city. on your back. 2009-02-25 01:51:37 anarchivist anarchivist is going to hang out with steve too 2009-02-25 01:59:52 lbjay JodiS: hey! 2009-02-25 02:00:25 JodiS hey! 2009-02-25 02:00:58 lbjay JodiS: i got to talking to Richard the valet guy. i forgot to come say hi 2009-02-25 02:01:00 lbjay :( 2009-02-25 02:01:04 JodiS np! 2009-02-25 02:02:13 lbjay JodiS: why are we still awake? 2009-02-25 02:02:32 JodiS trying to produce a PDF that I'm happy with :( 2009-02-25 02:02:44 JodiS JodiS misses keynote 2009-02-25 02:02:46 lbjay JodiS: oh, for your talk tomorrow 2009-02-25 02:02:52 JodiS yup 2009-02-25 02:03:06 lbjay JodiS: perfection-- 2009-02-25 02:03:11 JodiS perfection-- 2009-02-25 02:03:28 lbjay @foafro jrochkind 2009-02-25 02:03:30 zoia lbjay: Do you know what it's like to be on the bill and to play for 15 minutes and the only people there to see you are the other bands and their girlfriends? Don't talk to me about Rock 'n' Roll! I'm out there in the clubs and on the streets and I'm living it! I AM ROCK 'N' ROLL! 2009-02-25 02:06:15 jaf @quote random 2009-02-25 02:06:16 zoia jaf: Quote #825: " But here I am, and of course I'm suing the cigarette company because on the package they promised to kill me, and here I am." (added by ksclarke at 10:41 AM, April 12, 2007) 2009-02-25 02:48:44 zoia New news from planetcode4lib: Leggott, Mark: How Silly Can We Get? || Leggott, Mark: Latest Evergreen Release Available || Leggott, Mark: Conors Comics 10 || Leggott, Mark: Conor Comics 9 [--{language,restrict} ] [--{notsafe,similar}]) -- Searches google.com for the given string. As many results as can fit are included. --language accepts a language abbreviation; --restrict restricts the results to certain classes of things; --similar tells Google not to filter similar results. --notsafe allows possibly work-unsafe results. 2009-02-25 03:15:53 chickmarkley @more 2009-02-25 03:15:54 zoia chickmarkley: Praise, Presidents, Quote, RSS, Reply, Scrabble, Seen, Sing, Stopwords, SucksRocks, Todo, Traffic, Translators, TrueTrue, URL, Unix, UrbanDict, User, WOTD, Weather, Web2, Webopedia, WoGroFuBiCo, WordCount, WordStats, Yum, and Zillow 2009-02-25 03:18:49 zoia New news from planetcode4lib: Leggott, Mark: How Silly Can We Get? || Leggott, Mark: Latest Evergreen Release Available || Leggott, Mark: Conors Comics 10 || L 2009-02-25 04:16:57 zoia New news from planetcode4lib: Schmidt, Aaron: library frustration: a story in three tweets 2009-02-25 06:24:49 kgs_ hurry up coffee! 2009-02-25 07:19:21 zoia New news from planetcode4lib: Schneider, Karen G: Coming down the catwalk in her library cardigan 2009-02-25 08:11:33 akorphan BRYEKFUHST 2009-02-25 08:17:33 zoia New news from planetcode4lib: Panlibus (Talis): Code4lib 2009 Day 1 2009-02-25 08:19:18 ejk @lolz ejk needs coffee 2009-02-25 08:19:30 zoia ejk: An error has occurred and has been logged. Please contact this bot's administrator for more information. 2009-02-25 08:24:50 MrDys- | it would appear that someone had come into the ballroom and screamed "same seats, same seats" 2009-02-25 08:25:14 mib_iwbfj1a2 MrDys-: that would have been me 2009-02-25 08:33:51 royt crap, have to use mibbit again 2009-02-25 08:34:11 royt darn hotel wireless nets 2009-02-25 08:34:16 akorphan I've given up trying anything else. 2009-02-25 08:35:47 Kerwick Is the conference paying for the wireless connection that we are using for "free" or was it a perk for having the conference here? 2009-02-25 08:37:12 jfereira disappointed with breakfast. No bacon. 2009-02-25 08:38:24 royt provision of bacon should be a hosting requirement...needless to say Ohio stands behind that committment ;-) 2009-02-25 08:38:46 LibraryThingT . 2009-02-25 08:40:49 akorphan bacon++ 2009-02-25 08:41:12 akorphan kerwick: I've heard it was "free" but I don't know if it's true. 2009-02-25 08:41:18 akorphan Jean Rainwater, I imagine, would know. 2009-02-25 08:41:23 akorphan Or one of those types. 2009-02-25 08:41:31 akorphan GIANT BABY HEAD 2009-02-25 08:41:34 kgs local bacon has come to Tallahassee, courtesy of New Leaf Market... local, sustainable, humanely grown 2009-02-25 08:42:00 kgs that plus some amazing sausage 2009-02-25 08:42:43 fak3r are we there yet? 2009-02-25 08:43:12 akorphan akorphan has a meat hangover. 2009-02-25 08:43:37 akorphan guatemalan_mixed_grill++ 2009-02-25 08:43:37 Kerwick akorphan: kk, if not there needs to be a re-negotiation 2009-02-25 08:45:50 BigD morning 2009-02-25 08:46:07 akorphan BigD103 2009-02-25 08:46:19 zoia my provenance. let show you it. 2009-02-25 08:46:36 mbklein @known 2009-02-25 08:46:37 zoia zoia mbklein: I know URIs for the following users: Baroquem, BigD, BillDueber, JodiS, MrDys, abarrera, akorphan, anarchivist, asnagy, atz, bess, cazzerson, cbeer, charper, dlovins, ecorrado, ejk, escowles, fak3r, flighty, gsf, jphipps, jstroop, kgs, ksclarke, lbjay, liza31337, mbklein, mjg_, pmurray, ranti, robcaSSon, rsinger, scolford, smkiewel, tomkeays, wickr, wtd, zoia 2009-02-25 08:46:49 anarchivist @quote random 2009-02-25 08:46:50 zoia anarchivist: Quote #1727: " BillDueber: the dumbest, simplest thing that might possibly work!" (added by dbs at 01:53 PM, February 24, 2009) 2009-02-25 08:47:11 MrDys ecorrado has his MC jacket on 2009-02-25 08:47:38 mbklein trick_microphone++ 2009-02-25 08:47:52 MrDys rock the mic 2009-02-25 08:48:17 ejk @sing beastie boys: pass the mic 2009-02-25 08:48:19 zoia True Feelings Are Shown From The Way That I Talk / And This Is Me, Y'All - I M.C., Y'All / My Name Is M.C.A. And I Still Do What I Please / And Now I'd Like To Introduce I'll Pass The Mic To D. For A Fist Full Of Truth 2009-02-25 08:48:23 anarchivist @quote random 2009-02-25 08:48:23 zoia New news from planetcode4lib: Matienzo, Mark: Make Me A Structured Vocabulary Or I’ll Make One For You 2009-02-25 08:48:24 zoia anarchivist: Quote #611: " I have a monkey chimney broker, who looks around for the best monkey to put up my chimney" (added by rsinger at 04:25 PM, January 10, 2007) 2009-02-25 08:48:32 fak3r *clap* 2009-02-25 08:48:57 mbklein Hey, you, with the clap. Get outta here. 2009-02-25 08:49:04 anarchivist mbklein-- 2009-02-25 08:49:23 royt this wireless net is teh suck 2009-02-25 08:49:32 fak3r mbklein: now you have to say something like, "i haven't seen such and such, since such and such, such and such - I mean come on people!" 2009-02-25 08:49:45 mbklein royt: The hamsters are running as fast as they can. 2009-02-25 08:49:53 MrDys work klaus nomi into that reference 2009-02-25 08:49:54 anarchivist royt: get oclc to pay for more hamsters 2009-02-25 08:50:06 MrDys uberlin 2009-02-25 08:50:08 fak3r royt: we need a network4lib team next year 2009-02-25 08:50:09 jfereira hampsterdance++ 2009-02-25 08:50:20 anarchivist safety_dance-- 2009-02-25 08:50:22 MikeTaylor Why no species-diversity scholarship? 2009-02-25 08:50:32 fak3r MikeTaylor++ 2009-02-25 08:50:37 mbklein badgers badgers badgers badgers badgers badgers badgers badgers badgers badgers badgers MUSHROOM MUSHROOM 2009-02-25 08:50:38 anarchivist MikeTaylor: that's next year 2009-02-25 08:50:42 pmurray @known 2009-02-25 08:50:42 zoia zoia pmurray: I know URIs for the following users: Baroquem, BigD, BillDueber, JodiS, MrDys, abarrera, akorphan, anarchivist, asnagy, atz, bess, cazzerson, cbeer, charper, dlovins, ecorrado, ejk, escowles, fak3r, flighty, gsf, jphipps, jstroop, kgs, ksclarke, lbjay, liza31337, mbklein, mjg_, pmurray, ranti, robcaSSon, rsinger, scolford, smkiewel, tomkeays, wickr, wtd, zoia 2009-02-25 08:50:45 BigD english majors! 2009-02-25 08:50:57 kgs english_majors++ 2009-02-25 08:50:58 rsinger lbjay: your foaf is broken, i think 2009-02-25 08:51:01 anarchivist @votes2010 2009-02-25 08:51:03 zoia anarchivist: is that some kinda fucked up sparql query? 2009-02-25 08:51:05 fak3r no, 60% 2009-02-25 08:51:05 anarchivist @hosts2010 2009-02-25 08:51:06 zoia anarchivist: Asheville, NC [209]; Austin, TX [186]; Madison, WI [165]; Columbus, OH [113]; Bloomington, IN [94] 2009-02-25 08:51:07 lbjay hmm 2009-02-25 08:51:09 zoia Mortals! Tremble in fear, fer ye doom approaches! th' skies gunna burn, th' seven seas boil! He arr....oh, sorry thought it was someone else. 'tis just jtgorman. 2009-02-25 08:51:12 anarchivist WOOO ASHEVILLE 2009-02-25 08:51:16 fak3r diabold mentioned 2009-02-25 08:51:18 anarchivist C4LIBBERS GONE WILD 2009-02-25 08:51:20 BigD how the heck is NV beating austin?!? 2009-02-25 08:51:24 MikeTaylor Is there a page documenting the special commands for zoia, e.g. what is the URI associated with JodiS? 2009-02-25 08:51:34 jtgorman oh crap, meant to vote yesterday 2009-02-25 08:51:34 anarchivist BigD: better barbecue 2009-02-25 08:51:40 JodiS MikeTaylor: there's a little at http://code4lib.org/irc 2009-02-25 08:51:41 rsinger lbjay: scratch that -- maybe not 2009-02-25 08:51:41 MrDys I...wonder.... 2009-02-25 08:51:43 JodiS @list 2009-02-25 08:51:44 zoia JodiS: Acronym, Admin, Amazon, Anagram, Anonymous, Assorted, AudioScrobbler, Band, Calais, Channel, ChannelLogger, Config, CyborgName, DBpedia, Debian, Delicious, Dict, Disemvowel, Dunno, Eef, Etymology, FOAF, Filter, Games, GasPrices, Google, Herald, Insult, Internet, IsItDown, Karma, Kombat, Later, LibraryThing, Linux, Lisppaste, Lolz, MARC, Math, Misc, Motivate, NACO, Nickometer, OCLC, OpenDict, Owner, Pirate, Poll, Praise, (1 more message) 2009-02-25 08:51:48 robcaSSon @hosts2010 2009-02-25 08:51:49 zoia robcaSSon: Asheville, NC [209]; Austin, TX [186]; Madison, WI [165]; Columbus, OH [113]; Bloomington, IN [94] 2009-02-25 08:51:52 pmurray @excuse 2009-02-25 08:51:53 zoia pmurray: My excuse for today is "HMOs" 2009-02-25 08:51:55 JodiS @list FOAF 2009-02-25 08:51:56 zoia JodiS: common, foaf, forget, know, known, knows, and predicates 2009-02-25 08:52:12 JodiS MikeTaylor: more documentation would be awesome... 2009-02-25 08:52:16 anarchivist @pirate [ lolz [ obama ] ] 2009-02-25 08:52:20 fak3r ballot stuffing is not a laughing matter 2009-02-25 08:52:20 kgs common interest JodiS kgs 2009-02-25 08:52:28 JodiS JodiS has no interests at present 2009-02-25 08:52:40 JodiS maybe post-presentation I'll get interested in something or other... 2009-02-25 08:52:41 kgs common interest royt kgs 2009-02-25 08:52:44 pmurray @common interest kgs pmurray 2009-02-25 08:52:55 BigD but bloomington has a White Castle!!! 2009-02-25 08:53:02 BigD i'm so torn 2009-02-25 08:53:04 JodiS pmurray++ #for hanging in from afar, FOAF and all 2009-02-25 08:53:12 akorphan royt++ 2009-02-25 08:53:16 zoia anarchivist: BARACK OBAMA LENT U HIS JACKET 2009-02-25 08:53:18 zoia pmurray: No common s found. 2009-02-25 08:53:21 dlovins JodiS++ # What's the command that gets zoia to turn a word into an acronym? 2009-02-25 08:53:22 anarchivist BigD: shit, i'll fedex you some white castle 2009-02-25 08:53:22 fak3r no, IRC, no email 2009-02-25 08:53:22 pmurray JodiS: Thanks -- it has been interesting to watch from afar! 2009-02-25 08:53:31 lbjay rsinger: no it was failing 2009-02-25 08:53:33 fak3r time to get a better search engine 2009-02-25 08:53:36 anarchivist a turtle wearing a thong 2009-02-25 08:53:41 mbklein zoia's hung up on either pirate or lolz it seems 2009-02-25 08:53:44 akorphan dongle++ 2009-02-25 08:53:45 lbjay rsinger: s/xmlsn/xmlns/ 2009-02-25 08:53:50 fak3r macs are generally the issue 2009-02-25 08:53:50 anarchivist @obama 2009-02-25 08:53:51 zoia anarchivist: BARACK OBAMA WARMED UP YOUR CAR FOR YOU 2009-02-25 08:53:51 akorphan dongle in a thongle 2009-02-25 08:53:52 rsinger lbjay: ah, ok 2009-02-25 08:53:59 JodiS @acronym T.H.I.S. 2009-02-25 08:54:00 Baroquem Who's the best person to go to for a question about using the WorldCat registry API to look up openurl resolvers? 2009-02-25 08:54:01 zoia JodiS: An error has occurred and has been logged. Please contact this bot's administrator for more information. 2009-02-25 08:54:01 BigD anarchivist: mmm, aged white castles! 2009-02-25 08:54:01 akorphan happy_hour++ 2009-02-25 08:54:05 decasm_nomad wow. i was able to get on with pidgin! 2009-02-25 08:54:08 MrDys @cyborg this 2009-02-25 08:54:10 zoia MrDys: T.H.I.S.: Technician Hardwired for Infiltration and Sabotage 2009-02-25 08:54:18 akorphan @cyborg dongle 2009-02-25 08:54:20 lbjay @ana 2009-02-25 08:54:20 zoia akorphan: D.O.N.G.L.E.: Digital Operational Neohuman Generated for Logical Exploration 2009-02-25 08:54:20 anarchivist BigD: i've got one in my neighborhood 2009-02-25 08:54:21 zoia lbjay: Error: I tried to send you an empty message. 2009-02-25 08:54:22 JodiS dlovins: dunno... how do you get an acronym from zoia, folks? 2009-02-25 08:54:25 fak3r sarcastic laughing noted 2009-02-25 08:54:25 ejk vote.code4lib.org/login = "We're sorry, but something went wrong." 2009-02-25 08:54:26 anarchivist never touch another man's dongle 2009-02-25 08:54:30 JodiS akorphan++ 2009-02-25 08:54:31 MikeTaylor My lame colleague brought me a Heinekin last night. 2009-02-25 08:54:32 anarchivist JodiS: @actonym 2009-02-25 08:54:33 anarchivist err 2009-02-25 08:54:35 robcaSSon royt++ 2009-02-25 08:54:37 anarchivist @acronym anarchivist 2009-02-25 08:54:39 rsinger rsinger @foaf lbjay foafro 2009-02-25 08:54:39 zoia anarchivist: An error has occurred and has been logged. Please contact this bot's administrator for more information. 2009-02-25 08:54:41 fak3r anarchivist: not that there's anything wrong with that 2009-02-25 08:54:41 zoia zoia rsinger: lbjay : 2009-02-25 08:54:41 JodiS mjg: you tracking ejg's problem? 2009-02-25 08:54:41 jtgorman jtgorman has yet again thrown some votes towards the pretty much impossible one 2009-02-25 08:55:00 kgs @lolz [mccainize [wunder 32301]] 2009-02-25 08:55:00 anarchivist casual_ejm++ 2009-02-25 08:55:01 fak3r I noticed *now* 2009-02-25 08:55:03 rsinger ah, only foaf ns 2009-02-25 08:55:07 jtgorman unless OCLC folks are being clever and holding themselves in reserve for the last moment, altering all their votes so that it just looks like the others are ahead 2009-02-25 08:55:09 pmurray jtgorman++ # Throwing votes 2009-02-25 08:55:17 zoia kgs: MAH FRENZ, TEH CURRENT TEMPERACHUR IN TALLAHASEE, FLORIDA IZ 48.2°F (7:53 IZ EST ON FEBRUARY 25, 2009). CONDISHUNS: MOSTLY CLOUDY. HUMIDITY: 77%. DEW POINT: 42.8°F. WINDCHILL: 48.2°F. PRESURE: 30.33 IN 1027 HPA (RISIN). 2009-02-25 08:55:29 lbjay @foaf lbjay ov:foafro 2009-02-25 08:55:30 fak3r OCLC != TLA 2009-02-25 08:55:31 zoia lbjay: lbjay : 2009-02-25 08:55:36 dlovins MrDys++ 2009-02-25 08:55:42 akorphan Does zoia have a Palinizing function? 2009-02-25 08:55:45 MikeTaylor Index Data++ @-) 2009-02-25 08:55:50 jbrinley @palin 2009-02-25 08:55:51 zoia jbrinley: SARAH PALIN IS YOUR NEW MORNING AFTER 2009-02-25 08:55:55 fak3r he wrote Yazz? Upstairs at Erics? 2009-02-25 08:55:57 jfereira you betcha 2009-02-25 08:56:11 MikeTaylor Not only that, he is insanely tall. 2009-02-25 08:56:11 anarchivist @lolz [ embed [obamit [mccainize [pirate [obama ] ] ] ]] 2009-02-25 08:56:12 MrDys @sing yaz 2009-02-25 08:56:33 fak3r skills to pay the bills are also good to have 2009-02-25 08:56:40 robcaSSon MrDys++ 2009-02-25 08:56:44 jtgorman jtgorman smells frosted flakes 2009-02-25 08:56:45 anarchivist Z39.50 has a possee 2009-02-25 08:56:49 lbjay anarchivist: are your dvcs slides somewhere? 2009-02-25 08:56:54 anarchivist s/e$/ 2009-02-25 08:57:01 anarchivist lbjay: i can upload 'em 2009-02-25 08:57:14 MrDys robcaSSon: how's your typhoid? 2009-02-25 08:57:15 zoia anarchivist: An error has occurred and has been logged. Please contact this bot's administrator for more information. 2009-02-25 08:57:15 anarchivist lbjay: right now they're a 60 meg pdf file 2009-02-25 08:57:21 zoia like letting go / but when it comes right down to it, baby / who wants to know? (no-one) / (chorus) 2009-02-25 08:57:25 robcaSSon MrDys: much better. 2009-02-25 08:57:28 fak3r bigtable++ 2009-02-25 08:57:32 anarchivist rob "typhoid mary" caSSon 2009-02-25 08:57:34 MrDys ate like The Kinks? 2009-02-25 08:57:37 JodiS Baroquem: royt can tell you who to talk to 2009-02-25 08:57:40 anarchivist MrDys++ 2009-02-25 08:57:44 BigD MrDys: with Lola 2009-02-25 08:57:46 JodiS @ana ahead of his time 2009-02-25 08:57:47 zoia JodiS: I am the hide of as 2009-02-25 08:58:05 lbjay anarchivist: cool. later then i guess 2009-02-25 08:58:14 fak3r height++ 2009-02-25 08:58:24 pmurray @pirate [lolz [mccainize [obamit [kgs [dick [embed [canuck [excuse]]]]]]]] 2009-02-25 08:58:28 MikeTaylor We've ben release OSS4LIB at least since 1995/06/19, the release date of YAZ 1.0 2009-02-25 08:58:32 BigD how's the weather up there? 2009-02-25 08:58:42 robcaSSon indexdata++ 2009-02-25 08:58:42 anarchivist indexdata++ 2009-02-25 08:58:47 jfereira bacon4lunch++ 2009-02-25 08:58:53 JodiS ejk: Still having a problem at vote.code4lib.org/login ? Did you login at code4lib.org first? 2009-02-25 08:59:02 pmurray pmurray-- # May have broken zoia 2009-02-25 08:59:02 Kerwick zebra++ 2009-02-25 08:59:11 JodiS indexdata++ #for opensourcing lots of stuff 2009-02-25 08:59:20 fak3r speaker_looking_at_audience++ 2009-02-25 08:59:26 zoia pmurray: An error has occurred 'n has be logged. Please contact 'tis bot's administrator fer more information. 2009-02-25 08:59:37 jbrinley does that mean I have to look back? 2009-02-25 08:59:42 fak3r panic on the streets of london 2009-02-25 08:59:49 fak3r noblog-- 2009-02-25 08:59:53 MikeTaylor Yeah, he is. He's just being modest. 2009-02-25 09:00:02 pmurray @pirate [lolz [mccainize [obamit [kgs [dick [embed [canuck [palin]]]]]]]] 2009-02-25 09:00:18 MikeTaylor Anyway, Seb does have a blog, at indexdata.wordpress.com -- he just never posts on it. 2009-02-25 09:00:28 BigD "if you have something to say, you should release it as code" ha! 2009-02-25 09:00:34 royt pmurray-- # overly recursive zoia commands 2009-02-25 09:00:34 zoia pmurray: An error has occurred 'n has be logged. Please contact 'tis bot's administrator fer more information. 2009-02-25 09:00:37 JodiS :) 2009-02-25 09:00:41 JodiS MikeTaylor++ 2009-02-25 09:01:00 fak3r he could just reload the same slide to test if ppl were paying attention 2009-02-25 09:01:02 pmurray royt: Yeah -- no doubt. 2009-02-25 09:01:06 highermath_c4 Ah, single use slides 2009-02-25 09:01:07 pmurray pmurray-- # For trying again 2009-02-25 09:01:09 anarchivist faulty_dongle+ 2009-02-25 09:01:10 fak3r can ya'll see that in the back? 2009-02-25 09:01:14 anarchivist faulty_dongle++ 2009-02-25 09:01:26 rsinger cofee+ 2009-02-25 09:01:27 BigD anarchivist: there are pills for that 2009-02-25 09:01:35 mib_ja6ph2eb nice contrast 2009-02-25 09:01:36 BigD mjgiarlo sells them 2009-02-25 09:01:37 fak3r fullscreen_ftw 2009-02-25 09:01:44 JodiS @quote add If you have something to say, you should release it as code. 2009-02-25 09:01:44 zoia JodiS: The operation succeeded. Quote #1735 added. 2009-02-25 09:01:47 Kerwick dongle_viagra++ 2009-02-25 09:01:51 fak3r only a few? 2009-02-25 09:01:53 ejk JodiS: I logged out of code4lib.org and logged in again and it worked 2009-02-25 09:02:16 ecorrado ecorrado having issues connecting to IRC directly today 2009-02-25 09:02:17 anarchivist BigD: i thought that was abarrera 2009-02-25 09:02:19 ecorrado :-( 2009-02-25 09:02:22 fak3r double vision maybe 2009-02-25 09:02:24 JodiS ejk: great! thanks for sharing problems, and resolution, both 2009-02-25 09:02:42 mib_ja6ph2eb The right screen is in soft focus. 2009-02-25 09:02:43 BigD anarchivist: abarrera is selling diet pills 2009-02-25 09:03:04 JodiS MikeTaylor: "not very often", indeed :) 2009-02-25 09:03:05 anarchivist BigD: sweet, i need to watch my figure 2009-02-25 09:03:43 ecorrado ecorrado glad he didn't lose his dongle 2009-02-25 09:04:03 fak3r woot, I'm in under irssi 2009-02-25 09:04:13 JodiS @quote search release 2009-02-25 09:04:17 zoia JodiS: 4 found: #1031: " I find it sad when people just free...", #13: "< roy> i mean i think they just announced a...", #1735: "If you have something to say, you should...", and #651: "< eby> i'll be damned if i'm posting press..." 2009-02-25 09:04:27 JodiS @quote get 1735 2009-02-25 09:04:28 zoia JodiS: Quote #1735: "If you have something to say, you should release it as code." (added by JodiS at 09:01 AM, February 25, 2009) 2009-02-25 09:04:30 royt fak3r++ 2009-02-25 09:04:36 anarchivist @quote search dongle 2009-02-25 09:04:36 JodiS @quote remove 1735 2009-02-25 09:04:39 ecorrado @quote search indexdata 2009-02-25 09:04:39 zoia anarchivist: 3 found: #1206: "< mjgiarlo> jingle-jangle with the django dongle!", #1716: " i have my dongle, i have everything", and #1728: " use your django jangle dongle to..." 2009-02-25 09:04:42 zoia JodiS: The operation succeeded. 2009-02-25 09:04:43 zoia ecorrado: 1 found: #1021: " i love the indexdata folks, zebra is a..." 2009-02-25 09:04:46 smkiewel could someone unblock my code4lib acct pls? same as nick 2009-02-25 09:04:56 jtgorman or sing 2009-02-25 09:05:00 ecorrado @quote get 1021 2009-02-25 09:05:01 zoia ecorrado: Quote #1021: " i love the indexdata folks, zebra is a bad idea." (added by a user that is no longer registered at 09:42 AM, September 26, 2007) 2009-02-25 09:05:10 JodiS @quote add I guess I've always thought that if you have something to say, you should release it as code. 2009-02-25 09:05:10 wickr smkiewel: just a sec 2009-02-25 09:05:10 zoia JodiS: The operation succeeded. Quote #1736 added. 2009-02-25 09:05:13 jtgorman I think singing solutions should be allowed as well as code 2009-02-25 09:05:30 ecorrado ecorrado in favor of interpertive dance 2009-02-25 09:05:36 robcaSSon pazpar2++ 2009-02-25 09:05:45 kat3 kat3 loves XML examples, no matter what 2009-02-25 09:05:48 robcaSSon robcaSSon is in the future 2009-02-25 09:05:49 JodiS wickr++ 2009-02-25 09:05:52 BigD kat3: me2 2009-02-25 09:05:54 anarchivist pazpar2++ 2009-02-25 09:05:55 anarchivist pazpar2++ 2009-02-25 09:06:09 ecorrado irssi++ 2009-02-25 09:06:17 MikeTaylor Tim @ LibraryThiing, if you're here -- can you explain why you don't likew us to call this metasearching? 2009-02-25 09:06:18 mbklein mbklein now wishes that, when the technical difficulties started, he had just gone with "People / People who know people / Are the FOAF-iest people / in the world..." 2009-02-25 09:06:25 ejk irssi++ 2009-02-25 09:06:49 mbklein MikeTaylor: If Tim doesn't answer, I'll take a stab at it. :) 2009-02-25 09:06:50 jbrinley jbrinley wonders if connecting using the alternate pre-conf wifi code is why his ports are still blocked 2009-02-25 09:06:52 fak3r page loading? 2009-02-25 09:07:02 jbrinley and how do I change that? 2009-02-25 09:07:12 fak3r jbrinley: I don't think so, I did the same. 2009-02-25 09:07:14 anarchivist pz2++ 2009-02-25 09:07:19 rsinger jbrinley: that's what i use 2009-02-25 09:07:21 wickr smkiewel: you should be good now, let me know if you have any problems (or yell at me from across the table) 2009-02-25 09:07:25 rsinger jbrinley: and it seems fine 2009-02-25 09:07:27 edsu MikeTaylor: maybe because LT searches are over an aggregated view? and metasearch only happesn when looking for records to aggregate? 2009-02-25 09:07:31 BillDueber jbrinley: My ports are also blocked -- I'm stuck with ssh tunnels. 2009-02-25 09:07:37 fak3r jbrinley: are you in winders? what is it, ipconfig /release, renew all? 2009-02-25 09:07:40 highermath_c4 xml+- 2009-02-25 09:07:52 MikeTaylor edsu: sorry, I don't understand the distinction. 2009-02-25 09:08:01 robcaSSon pazpar2 is seriously cool shit, btw 2009-02-25 09:08:03 JodiS MikeTaylor & edsu: federated search distinguished from metasearch 2009-02-25 09:08:07 fak3r search for "hot dog" 2009-02-25 09:08:21 MikeTaylor Woah! That XML is to complex! 2009-02-25 09:08:24 fak3r short URL field-- 2009-02-25 09:08:29 anarchivist MikeTaylor++ 2009-02-25 09:08:31 highermath_c4 mmm user-freindly 2009-02-25 09:08:31 ejk OK 2009-02-25 09:08:32 fak3r MikeTaylor: I can't read it... 2009-02-25 09:08:35 rsinger couldn't this just be done with HTTP? 2009-02-25 09:08:39 ecorrado ecorrado can even write that xml code 2009-02-25 09:08:59 rsinger MikeTaylor: that was intended for you 2009-02-25 09:09:23 mbklein @known BigD 2009-02-25 09:09:24 anarchivist rsinger: always a wet blanket 2009-02-25 09:09:24 zoia mbklein: BigD's URI is 2009-02-25 09:09:33 indexdata_fan anarchivist++ 2009-02-25 09:09:37 rsinger yeah 2009-02-25 09:09:41 jtgorman are three still the two liblime presentations? I seem to remember something about some of the people not being able to make it 2009-02-25 09:09:42 mbklein readable_xml++ 2009-02-25 09:09:43 mib_xxmepy6r http://www.indexdata.dk/pazpar2/ 2009-02-25 09:09:44 jtgorman jtgorman sigs 2009-02-25 09:09:46 BillDueber anarchivist: And of course, you don't want to know why it's wet 2009-02-25 09:09:47 rsinger teh suxx0r 2009-02-25 09:09:57 JodiS jtgorman: check the schedule http://code4lib.org/conference/2009/schedule 2009-02-25 09:09:58 jtgorman jtgorman is in a bad state this morning and he doesn't know why 2009-02-25 09:10:03 anarchivist indexdata_fanboy++ 2009-02-25 09:10:08 ecorrado jtgorman: kados is filling in for galen 2009-02-25 09:10:14 rsinger rsinger was mostly just curious 2009-02-25 09:10:16 jtgorman ecorrado: ah, ok 2009-02-25 09:10:23 anarchivist "a cool ranch"? 2009-02-25 09:10:26 anarchivist mm 2009-02-25 09:10:28 anarchivist cool ranch 2009-02-25 09:10:41 BillDueber "The mormon church, of all things" 2009-02-25 09:11:00 anarchivist noble_savages++ 2009-02-25 09:11:05 MikeTaylor Independent Man is even taller than Seb. 2009-02-25 09:11:07 BigD i look like that when i work out 2009-02-25 09:11:09 fak3r the shot is kinda taken out of context 2009-02-25 09:11:10 mbklein That guy's gotta be FREEZING. 2009-02-25 09:11:12 jtgorman wow 2009-02-25 09:11:17 BigD where's abarrera? 2009-02-25 09:11:26 fak3r can't have enough tshirts 2009-02-25 09:11:36 cschx guesses XXL 2009-02-25 09:11:40 BillDueber No man needs more than 11 tshirts 2009-02-25 09:11:41 robcaSSon BigD: looking for his child support 2009-02-25 09:11:42 jfereira did he just say genital sense? 2009-02-25 09:11:42 anarchivist BigD: hustling to buy more diet pills 2009-02-25 09:11:52 fak3r jfereira: likely 2009-02-25 09:11:54 mib_xxmepy6r roger williams? 2009-02-25 09:11:55 abarrera robcaSSon++ 2009-02-25 09:11:58 abarrera anarchivist++ 2009-02-25 09:12:08 decasm_nomad genital sense is the 9th sense 2009-02-25 09:12:23 fak3r I would go with remarkable, but... 2009-02-25 09:12:37 ejk Independant Man is watching you walk to dinner 2009-02-25 09:12:45 truk77 keynote currently going on? I wasn't able to make it out this year 2009-02-25 09:12:47 fak3r how many seats do these people really need? 2009-02-25 09:12:49 robcaSSon robcaSSon is guessing oclc, btw 2009-02-25 09:12:49 MikeTaylor It's true ... as a company, the way we celebrate is by attending conferences. 2009-02-25 09:12:53 anarchivist truk77: yeah 2009-02-25 09:12:59 fak3r MikeTaylor: and sitting 2009-02-25 09:13:08 fak3r MikeTaylor: and eating candy. 2009-02-25 09:13:08 akorphan ("Sebastian", "preferred t-shirt size", "xl") 2009-02-25 09:13:15 fak3r akorphan++ 2009-02-25 09:13:15 anarchivist robcaSSon: sersol maybe 2009-02-25 09:13:16 smkiewel wickr: thx - it's working now 2009-02-25 09:13:19 rosy1280 rosy1280 wants a spear 2009-02-25 09:13:25 truk77 must be HammerTime then 2009-02-25 09:13:30 rsinger akorphan: can you express that in PQN? 2009-02-25 09:13:40 MikeTaylor You can express ANYTHING in PQN! 2009-02-25 09:13:46 BillDueber Was teh architect also working in Brazil? 2009-02-25 09:13:46 robcaSSon anarchivist: maybe. oclc is going with pazpar2 for their fedsearch in worldcat local too 2009-02-25 09:13:47 anarchivist please_hammer_dont_hurt_em++ 2009-02-25 09:13:53 fak3r unsupported dome? sounds like some software I've used before 2009-02-25 09:13:56 highermath_c4 I didn't know that 2009-02-25 09:13:56 fak3r marc slam 2009-02-25 09:14:01 anarchivist robcaSSon: o rly? 2009-02-25 09:14:23 abarrera is he describing BigD? 2009-02-25 09:14:27 anarchivist abarrera++ 2009-02-25 09:14:28 BigD sounds like me on the weekends 2009-02-25 09:14:37 BigD dammit, u type fast 2009-02-25 09:14:38 BigD ;) 2009-02-25 09:14:48 mbklein It's only unsupported because of the big BETA! badge. 2009-02-25 09:14:49 anarchivist BigD: see, you are more of a club kid than i am 2009-02-25 09:14:56 abarrera BigD: cause my hands aren't on two bagels like yours 2009-02-25 09:15:01 steambadger Can you express existential angst in PQN? 2009-02-25 09:15:01 fak3r Interesting tidbit: one of the architect's names was art vandelia 2009-02-25 09:15:05 kat3 guys with pants dont belong on buildings 2009-02-25 09:15:19 MrDys lousy newspapers 2009-02-25 09:15:20 mbklein fak3r: Isn't he an importer/exporter? 2009-02-25 09:15:25 mib_xxmepy6r if i was a bird i would total perch on that dude's head 2009-02-25 09:15:26 mjg_ fak3r: took a break from the latex import/export biz? 2009-02-25 09:15:27 anarchivist @quote add < MikeTaylor> You can express ANYTHING in PQN! 2009-02-25 09:15:28 zoia anarchivist: The operation succeeded. Quote #1737 added. 2009-02-25 09:15:31 BillDueber fak3r: I love his onions. 2009-02-25 09:15:33 rosy1280 pants are overrated 2009-02-25 09:15:42 MikeTaylor What are Independent Man's super-powers? Can he do his own tech-support? 2009-02-25 09:15:56 rsinger i have been quoted at a talis internal conference that i work "pants optional" 2009-02-25 09:15:57 anarchivist anarchivist is living a pants-free life 2009-02-25 09:16:06 BillDueber I see the spear, but where's the magic helmet? 2009-02-25 09:16:06 fak3r library hackers? 2009-02-25 09:16:07 steambadger What about righteous indignation? Can you express righteous indignation in PQN? 2009-02-25 09:16:16 abarrera anarchivist 2009-02-25 09:16:18 lbjay roger_williams++ # i love this 2009-02-25 09:16:24 jstroop magic helmet? 2009-02-25 09:16:28 fak3r too religiously thinking - how can that be? 2009-02-25 09:16:29 abarrera anarchivist: please don't do that for the next how to meet people at c4l talk 2009-02-25 09:16:40 rsinger spear and magic helmet! 2009-02-25 09:16:40 anarchivist abarrera: step 1 2009-02-25 09:16:48 anarchivist take off pants 2009-02-25 09:16:48 BigD anarchivist: at least wear the boots 2009-02-25 09:16:49 dchud i heard roger williams can configure metasearch target connections without consulting documentation 2009-02-25 09:16:50 jstroop magic helmet? 2009-02-25 09:16:53 anarchivist abarrera: step 2: ??? 2009-02-25 09:16:58 anarchivist step 3: profit! 2009-02-25 09:16:58 royt an atheist is too religious free thinking 2009-02-25 09:17:09 MikeTaylor I have another lightning talk this afternoon ... shall I do the whole thing in PQN? 2009-02-25 09:17:11 mbklein THAT's how he's bringing this back to code4lib! 2009-02-25 09:17:13 fak3r royt: that's what I was trying to say, but failed it. 2009-02-25 09:17:16 rosy1280 i think rhode islanders are still that way 2009-02-25 09:17:19 anarchivist MikeTaylor: yes 2009-02-25 09:17:23 abarrera BigD: just don't put a $1 in anarchivists' roythong 2009-02-25 09:17:25 fak3r horay for hating! 2009-02-25 09:17:26 BillDueber jstroop: Elmer Fudd. Spear and Magic Helmet. Bugs Bunny opera. 2009-02-25 09:17:27 rsinger MikeTaylor: OMG yes 2009-02-25 09:17:27 mbklein "Founded by a bunch of people who don't really like each other." 2009-02-25 09:17:34 ecorrado if c4l10 is in Austin, we can all where cwboy hats 2009-02-25 09:17:39 fak3r BillDueber++ 2009-02-25 09:17:42 epoz trivia moment: dudes in lion skins often represent Hercules 2009-02-25 09:17:43 robcaSSon mbklein: code4lib 2009-02-25 09:17:48 BigD ecorrado: and no pants 2009-02-25 09:17:49 anarchivist epoz++ 2009-02-25 09:17:56 lbjay I hate everyone in this channel 2009-02-25 09:18:03 jstroop BillDueber: I get it--was trying to reinact 2009-02-25 09:18:03 fak3r lbjay++ 2009-02-25 09:18:09 kat3 ecorrado: can? more like required to 2009-02-25 09:18:09 mjg_ Finally a place where my chaps are kind of not abnormal. 2009-02-25 09:18:12 highermath_c4 coon-skin caps ++ 2009-02-25 09:18:13 jbrinley jbrinley @foaf lbjay hates 2009-02-25 09:18:14 zoia zoia jbrinley: lbjay : 2009-02-25 09:18:15 anarchivist http://anarchivist.enjoysthin.gs/30985 2009-02-25 09:18:19 mbklein robcaSSon: Exactly 2009-02-25 09:18:20 BillDueber jstroop++ , BillDueber-- 2009-02-25 09:18:27 dchud lbjay: me, i'm LOVIN' EVERY MINUTE OF IT 2009-02-25 09:18:32 rosy1280 rosy1280 we hate you too lbjay 2009-02-25 09:18:36 ecorrado kat3: can is a nice way of saying you will 2009-02-25 09:18:37 rsinger dchud++ 2009-02-25 09:18:37 MrDys that's some happening teenage years 2009-02-25 09:18:39 MikeTaylor Seb knew how to party when he was a teenager, 2009-02-25 09:18:44 jbrinley lbjay: your foaf needs some updating, then 2009-02-25 09:18:49 rsinger dchud: i mean, we're just a bunch of folks WORKING FOR THE WEEKEND 2009-02-25 09:18:57 dchud haw haw! 2009-02-25 09:19:02 lbjay rsinger++ 2009-02-25 09:19:03 mbklein <#IndependentMan> 2009-02-25 09:19:04 jtgorman speaking of pants, I had the disturbing image this morning when scanning through my feedreader, thanks to kgs, of all the folks at the code4lib conference wearing short shorts. 2009-02-25 09:19:07 ecorrado we should have bloddy mary's with breakfast 2009-02-25 09:19:22 fak3r ecorrado++ 2009-02-25 09:19:24 anarchivist anarchivist was abusing glue behind the 7-eleven 2009-02-25 09:19:35 lbjay @sing kenny rogers : islands in the stream 2009-02-25 09:19:37 zoia Honest love, we feel, needs no conversation / And we ride it together, uh huh / Making love with each other, uh huh / Islands in the stream, that is what we are 2009-02-25 09:19:46 robcaSSon anarchivist: that was last night 2009-02-25 09:19:46 kat3 kat3 needs to buy a hat now 2009-02-25 09:19:47 anarchivist jtgorman: my short shorts are in my room 2009-02-25 09:19:50 BigD uh huh 2009-02-25 09:19:50 jbrinley @pirate [sing [randtune]] 2009-02-25 09:19:53 jfereira @sing Randy Newman 2009-02-25 09:20:10 highermath_c4 ecorrado: it's not too late. Call room service 2009-02-25 09:20:15 edsu MikeTaylor: perhaps i've never understood metasearch, but i always assumed it would trigger live queries of several data sources 2009-02-25 09:20:25 jtgorman @sing Royal Teens : Short Shorts 2009-02-25 09:20:36 kgs for those who missed it: http://freerangelibrarian.com/2009/02/25/coming-down-the-catwalk-in-her-library-cardigan/ 2009-02-25 09:20:36 mbklein @foaf MrDys dysinterest 2009-02-25 09:20:39 anarchivist edsu: thats what pazpar2 does 2009-02-25 09:20:44 truk77 next year, they need live streaming feeds for the code4lib conference :) 2009-02-25 09:21:00 jtgorman truk77: I'm happy enough with videos eventually ;) 2009-02-25 09:21:01 anarchivist kgs-- #for the face spritz 2009-02-25 09:21:02 fak3r how many years do ebooks have to fail before they become popular? 2009-02-25 09:21:02 anarchivist # and the truffles 2009-02-25 09:21:03 BigD truk77: not on THIS network... 2009-02-25 09:21:05 zoia jbrinley: 'n I wanna sleep wit' ye / in th' desert t'night / wit' a billion stars all around / 'cause I gotta peaceful easy feelin' 2009-02-25 09:21:06 zoia We'll hire a band / With an accordion / A violin / And a tenor who can sing 2009-02-25 09:21:06 dchud that stuff is definitely happening now 2009-02-25 09:21:08 zoia (spoken) Ooh man, dig that crazy chick. / Who wears short shorts / We wear short shorts / They're such short shorts 2009-02-25 09:21:09 zoia mbklein: MrDys : 2009-02-25 09:21:19 MrDys @interest MrDys 2009-02-25 09:21:20 zoia MrDys: That's pretty sick, you might want to cleanse your palate with http://mintymlp.blogspot.com/ 2009-02-25 09:21:39 kgs anarchavist the truffles and face mist were so good last night. sorry you didn't have any 2009-02-25 09:21:48 fak3r blah, you can link to anything - it's the new black 2009-02-25 09:21:49 rosy1280 ebooks-- 2009-02-25 09:21:49 lbjay kgs: btw, i love your "Posted on this day" links 2009-02-25 09:22:01 lbjay relevance is overrated 2009-02-25 09:22:16 mbklein @foaf MrDys interest 2009-02-25 09:22:17 anarchivist kgs: probably better that way 2009-02-25 09:22:19 kgs lbjay you mean in general? yes, I am even surprised by them 2009-02-25 09:22:20 fak3r web2.0 gurus now working at your local starbucks 2009-02-25 09:22:20 anarchivist kgs: i got by with an episode of heroes and a few glasses of water 2009-02-25 09:22:24 zoia mbklein: MrDys : 2009-02-25 09:22:29 ecorrado @sing johnny cash : sunday morning coming down 2009-02-25 09:22:30 jtgorman lbjay: I think it's more serendipity is underrated 2009-02-25 09:22:32 zoia And there's nothing short a' dying / That's half as lonesome as the sound / Of the sleeping city sidewalk / And Sunday morning coming down. 2009-02-25 09:22:43 ejk @lolz Independant Man is annoyed by the cursor in his armpit 2009-02-25 09:22:52 rsinger yes, IRC 2009-02-25 09:22:58 fak3r no, nothing better than blabbing to no one on twitter 2009-02-25 09:23:01 ecorrado we have to do better then twitter 2009-02-25 09:23:02 dlovins David Weinberger vs. Nova Spivack. It was pretty cool 2009-02-25 09:23:03 fak3r rsinger++ 2009-02-25 09:23:18 fak3r old_friends++ 2009-02-25 09:23:39 fak3r the rhode island market forces 2009-02-25 09:23:40 edsu dchud: sounds familiar :) 2009-02-25 09:23:40 anarchivist @foaf anarchivist interest 2009-02-25 09:23:41 zoia ejk: An error has occurred and has been logged. Please contact this bot's administrator for more information. 2009-02-25 09:24:02 ecorrado market place is not always right 2009-02-25 09:24:02 fak3r @foaf fak3r interest 2009-02-25 09:24:13 anarchivist marc++ 2009-02-25 09:24:14 anarchivist marc++ 2009-02-25 09:24:15 anarchivist marc++ 2009-02-25 09:24:19 rosy1280 marc-- 2009-02-25 09:24:23 MrDys marky_mark++ 2009-02-25 09:24:27 edsu dlovins: hard to imagine weinberger losing a debate, would've liked to see that 2009-02-25 09:24:29 steambadger SH++ 2009-02-25 09:24:32 fak3r funky_bunch++ 2009-02-25 09:24:37 abarrera funky_bunch-- 2009-02-25 09:24:43 fak3r dammn 2009-02-25 09:24:47 mjg_ funky_chicken++ 2009-02-25 09:24:50 pmurray @pirate [mccainize [obamit [kgs [dick [embed [canuck [excuse]]]]]]] 2009-02-25 09:24:51 anarchivist henrietta avram has a posse 2009-02-25 09:24:53 abarrera fak3r: i was typing just as you did that 2009-02-25 09:24:54 ecorrado the best talk combo I have seen was Stallman v. Raymond at Yale 2009-02-25 09:25:09 fak3r abarrera: we're "on the same page" then 2009-02-25 09:25:12 mbklein Again with the no pants 2009-02-25 09:25:14 kat3 code4lib uniforms next year? 2009-02-25 09:25:14 Scurvy they need cardigans 2009-02-25 09:25:16 fak3r 300, avoided it 2009-02-25 09:25:21 fak3r no, 300 bc 2009-02-25 09:25:22 mjg_ "THIS... IS... PAZPAR!!!!" 2009-02-25 09:25:22 ejk Didn't they all die at the end? 2009-02-25 09:25:24 jbrinley jbrinley should watch more movies 2009-02-25 09:25:25 rosy1280 more spears! 2009-02-25 09:25:26 truk77 ugh, no human being should have to read/write PQN. Blech. 2009-02-25 09:25:28 mbklein mjg_++ 2009-02-25 09:25:30 fak3r spoiler: the dog dies 2009-02-25 09:25:31 lbjay mjg_: lol 2009-02-25 09:25:35 zoia New news from planetcode4lib: del.icio.us: code4lib update: LuSql talk done; Lucene, Solr links || O'Steen, Ben: Developer Happiness days - why happyness is important || Brickley, Dan: On the internet, no-one knows. 2009-02-25 09:25:36 MrDys mjg__-- 2009-02-25 09:25:37 zoia anarchivist: anarchivist : 2009-02-25 09:25:37 mikeybe ejk++ 2009-02-25 09:25:41 MikeTaylor Oh, great -- give away the ending, why don't you? 2009-02-25 09:25:42 kat3 we're all going to die? 2009-02-25 09:25:43 abarrera they died defending z39.50 2009-02-25 09:25:43 anarchivist is this about a losing battle with z39.50? 2009-02-25 09:25:44 jbrinley bah, he ruined it for me 2009-02-25 09:25:44 mbklein Of course they did. They're 2300 years old. 2009-02-25 09:25:45 robcaSSon mjg_++ 2009-02-25 09:25:48 MikeTaylor I don't likw where this analogy is heading. 2009-02-25 09:25:53 edsu who's the enemy? 2009-02-25 09:25:56 zoia fak3r: fak3r : , , , , , "cwQaxxQq3190", , , , , 2009-02-25 09:25:57 anarchivist MikeTaylor++ 2009-02-25 09:25:58 zoia pmurray: Me buckos, Look, here's what I be sayin'... nosrsly, I don't mean to be a dick, but me excuse our this day be "HMOs", eh? ... in bed. 2009-02-25 09:25:59 rsinger abarrera++ 2009-02-25 09:25:59 steambadger Library Spartans! 2009-02-25 09:26:01 fak3r they were fighting over standards 2009-02-25 09:26:06 ejk death-- 2009-02-25 09:26:08 jbrinley "most" 2009-02-25 09:26:10 mikeybe did he say "probably" 2009-02-25 09:26:11 jfereira Whew 2009-02-25 09:26:13 edsu fak3r++ 2009-02-25 09:26:17 BillDueber Just like the movie 2009-02-25 09:26:18 kat3 not gonna lie, some will perish 2009-02-25 09:26:18 pmurray zoia++ # Finally, I get some satisfaction. 2009-02-25 09:26:20 zoia pmurray: have you tried encoding in wtf-8? 2009-02-25 09:26:25 royt royt offers up jbrinley for sacrifice 2009-02-25 09:26:26 ecorrado ecorrado will live for ever 2009-02-25 09:26:34 lbjay @ana some will perish 2009-02-25 09:26:36 zoia lbjay: Well! Im poserish 2009-02-25 09:26:38 dchud dchud 's gonna learn how to FLY 2009-02-25 09:26:40 BillDueber ecorrado: is gonna learn how to fly (high!) 2009-02-25 09:26:45 mjg_ Scandinavians++ # \m/ 2009-02-25 09:26:45 pmurray zoia-- # Sassing me for giving it karma points 2009-02-25 09:26:45 ecorrado live for ever through code! 2009-02-25 09:26:48 jbrinley @insult royt 2009-02-25 09:26:49 zoia royt: You are nothing but a hugger-muggered accumulation of goatish rat. 2009-02-25 09:26:50 fak3r just need to find someone to keep the domain alive, then yeah, live forever 2009-02-25 09:26:52 dchud BillDueber++ 2009-02-25 09:27:00 MikeTaylor @insult jbrinley 2009-02-25 09:27:01 zoia jbrinley: You are nothing but a plume-plucked mound of contemptible Sun. 2009-02-25 09:27:03 fak3r feelings get hurt 2009-02-25 09:27:03 edsu rsinger++ # for nominating seb 2009-02-25 09:27:04 jfereira hackers_attracted_to_libraries++ 2009-02-25 09:27:09 mikeybe I want him to say "who is your daddy and what does he do" 2009-02-25 09:27:11 rsinger edsu: i told you 2009-02-25 09:27:17 mbklein You want authorized subject headings?! YOU CAN'T HANDLE AUTHORIZED SUBJECT HEADINGS!!! 2009-02-25 09:27:26 fak3r reminder he's the keynote speaker 2009-02-25 09:27:33 MikeTaylor mklein++ 2009-02-25 09:27:37 fak3r whippersnapper++ 2009-02-25 09:27:37 abarrera mikeybe++ 2009-02-25 09:27:38 robcaSSon rsinger++ # he was my vote too 2009-02-25 09:27:38 mjg_ whippersnapper_technology++ 2009-02-25 09:27:39 BigD does this mean i get a sword? 2009-02-25 09:27:40 pmurray @kgs [insult zoia] 2009-02-25 09:27:41 zoia pmurray: nosrsly, zoia: You are nothing but a hacked-up accumulation of antique stomach-bile. 2009-02-25 09:27:52 bjy mikeybe++ 2009-02-25 09:27:54 anarchivist @ana whippersnapper technology 2009-02-25 09:27:55 BillDueber google's doing a better job than anyone else right now 2009-02-25 09:27:57 zoia anarchivist: Happy! Polite wrencher pongs 2009-02-25 09:27:58 kgs snap! 2009-02-25 09:28:04 fak3r no commute, just look it up online 2009-02-25 09:28:10 edsu and do what? 2009-02-25 09:28:12 MikeTaylor @quote add "Do we really want to leave it up to Google to decide when and how to digitise our heritage? -- Sebastian Hammer" 2009-02-25 09:28:13 fak3r kgs: oh no he didn't 2009-02-25 09:28:13 zoia MikeTaylor: Error: You must be registered to use this command. If you are already registered, you must either identify (using the identify command) or add a hostmask matching your current hostmask (using the "hostmask add" command). 2009-02-25 09:28:19 pmurray @kgs [embed [insult zoia]] 2009-02-25 09:28:20 royt he seems to like our money well enough ;-) 2009-02-25 09:28:20 zoia pmurray: nosrsly, zoia: You are nothing but a clouted thimbleful of wretched carpet. ... in bed. 2009-02-25 09:28:31 lbjay BigD: no swords. we all get issued those pocket knives with the scary hooks 2009-02-25 09:28:32 abarrera so he's advocating everyone storming oclc without pants? 2009-02-25 09:28:33 robcaSSon royt++ # heh 2009-02-25 09:28:35 mbklein kgs++ for the blogporn 2009-02-25 09:28:35 mjg_ royt: oooh, you have money? 2009-02-25 09:28:37 kgs well royt... everyone likes your *money* ;) 2009-02-25 09:28:44 kgs money++ 2009-02-25 09:28:46 fak3r money++ 2009-02-25 09:28:52 rsinger @quote search lamborghini 2009-02-25 09:28:55 zoia rsinger: 1 found: #1167: " royt was just making excuses about why..." 2009-02-25 09:29:00 jbrinley monkeys++ 2009-02-25 09:29:00 mjg_ filthy luker. er lucre. 2009-02-25 09:29:02 rsinger @quote get 1167 2009-02-25 09:29:02 zoia rsinger: Quote #1167: " royt was just making excuses about why oclc needs so much money - he has to send his kids to private school and tune his lamborghini" (added by rsinger at 10:42 AM, February 07, 2008) 2009-02-25 09:29:04 ecorrado @insult cardigan 2009-02-25 09:29:04 zoia cardigan: You are nothing but an ill-borne accumulation of fly-bitten manuals. 2009-02-25 09:29:05 edsu @quote add Do we really want to leave it up to Google to decide when and how to digitise our heritage? 2009-02-25 09:29:05 anarchivist @quote get 1167 2009-02-25 09:29:06 zoia edsu: The operation succeeded. Quote #1738 added. 2009-02-25 09:29:07 zoia anarchivist: Quote #1167: " royt was just making excuses about why oclc needs so much money - he has to send his kids to private school and tune his lamborghini" (added by rsinger at 10:42 AM, February 07, 2008) 2009-02-25 09:29:19 fak3r tuning_lamborghini++ 2009-02-25 09:29:20 abarrera rsinger++ 2009-02-25 09:29:26 BigD and the crowd falls upon royt with scary hooky knives 2009-02-25 09:29:40 fak3r ...or fighting over standards 2009-02-25 09:29:45 royt i wish 2009-02-25 09:29:55 fak3r google == train 2009-02-25 09:29:58 BigD and clean his fingernails 2009-02-25 09:29:58 BigD ;) 2009-02-25 09:30:00 mjg_ @quote search democracy 2009-02-25 09:30:01 fak3r internet != big truck 2009-02-25 09:30:03 zoia mjg_: 4 found: #1503: " There never was a democracy yet...", #1540: " Democracy is two wolves and a lamb...", #727: " Democracy is the recurrent...", and #733: " Democracy encourages the majority..." 2009-02-25 09:30:07 edsu edsu is not convinced google and colc are "enemies" 2009-02-25 09:30:12 mbklein The BPL Digital Collection is proud to present...A Monkey Riding a Goat: http://free-to-all.digital.bpl.org.s3.amazonaws.com/streams/bpldc:08_06_000655/08_06_000655-500.jpg 2009-02-25 09:30:17 fak3r edsu++ 2009-02-25 09:30:20 edsu edsu is gulllible tho 2009-02-25 09:30:25 edsu gullllible 2009-02-25 09:30:25 anarchivist mbklein++ 2009-02-25 09:30:30 mjg_ @quote get 1503 2009-02-25 09:30:30 zoia zoia mjg_: Quote #1503: " There never was a democracy yet that did not commit suicide" (added by lbjay at 10:40 AM, September 10, 2008) 2009-02-25 09:30:33 BillDueber Library democracy == 122 employees comprising 145 committees. 2009-02-25 09:30:33 wickr mbklein: monkey on the lamb was better 2009-02-25 09:30:41 mbklein JohnAdams++ 2009-02-25 09:30:42 fak3r he left his gram in the dust? 2009-02-25 09:30:46 BigD edsu: gullllible isn't in the dictionary. little known fact. 2009-02-25 09:30:47 mjg_ BillDueber++ # damn. 2009-02-25 09:30:49 anarchivist mbklein: did that happen on the roof of the warwick bar 2009-02-25 09:30:50 fak3r chipinmybrain++ 2009-02-25 09:30:55 rosy1280 chips_in_brain++ 2009-02-25 09:30:58 anarchivist naragansett++ 2009-02-25 09:30:58 BigD i will be the FIRST with a chip in my brain! 2009-02-25 09:31:03 robcaSSon @ana naragansett 2009-02-25 09:31:03 zoia robcaSSon: Stagnant are 2009-02-25 09:31:08 edsu BigD: sorry i meant gulllllllllllible 2009-02-25 09:31:12 MrDys @hussein naragansett 2009-02-25 09:31:13 zoia MrDys: Rat sane naughtiness 2009-02-25 09:31:17 mjg_ I was gulled on the boardwalk once. God damn flying rats. 2009-02-25 09:31:17 anarchivist BigD: you already have a chip in your brain 2009-02-25 09:31:21 anarchivist BigD: it's a dorito 2009-02-25 09:31:22 fak3r chip in brain, usb plug on the back of my neck 2009-02-25 09:31:26 robcaSSon MrDys++ hussein++ 2009-02-25 09:31:26 Scurvy democracy = 2 wolves and 1 sheep deciding what is for dinner. 2009-02-25 09:31:26 steambadger I think I have a dorito stuck in my brain right now. 2009-02-25 09:31:32 rosy1280 its all about the benjamins 2009-02-25 09:31:33 edsu lbjay: applied your patch 2009-02-25 09:31:36 abarrera anarchivist: a potato chip maybe 2009-02-25 09:31:40 BigD fak3r: fw800 2009-02-25 09:31:42 rsinger dorito_in_the_brain++ 2009-02-25 09:31:44 mbklein anarchivist: No, that was the two chimps on a tricycle: http://free-to-all.digital.bpl.org.s3.amazonaws.com/streams/bpldc:08_06_000601/08_06_000601-500.jpg 2009-02-25 09:31:54 fak3r BigD: faster transfer 2009-02-25 09:31:55 mbklein I <3 the BPL photo collection 2009-02-25 09:31:59 ejk Woah, I know kung fu 2009-02-25 09:32:02 jtgorman mjg_: i've been "gulled" twice. And attacked in the wilderness by a song bird for a turkey sandwich 2009-02-25 09:32:03 akorphan dublin+- 2009-02-25 09:32:06 edsu are there even any books in dublin? 2009-02-25 09:32:10 mbklein @hussein Sebastian Hammer 2009-02-25 09:32:11 jtgorman mjg_: the song bird was hard to live down 2009-02-25 09:32:11 zoia mbklein: I am brashiest humaneness 2009-02-25 09:32:11 mib_xxmepy6r library = the sweetest berry of all 2009-02-25 09:32:14 highermath_c4 I prefer my chip on my shoulder 2009-02-25 09:32:16 BigD ejk++ 2009-02-25 09:32:17 edsu oclc =~ crap library 2009-02-25 09:32:19 mjg_ jtgorman: for the right turkey sandwich, I might attack you too. 2009-02-25 09:32:23 anarchivist BPL++ 2009-02-25 09:32:27 was kcoyle++ 2009-02-25 09:32:32 mikeybe brewster++ 2009-02-25 09:32:36 fak3r he is scanning books, and BHL are making them available! 2009-02-25 09:32:36 jtgorman mjg_: it was quite good. 2009-02-25 09:32:42 lbjay edsu: rock on 2009-02-25 09:32:43 steambadger I can tell the difference between Nacho Cheese and Cool Ranch just by which neural paths the chip activates. 2009-02-25 09:32:44 mjg_ I'm going out screaming. 2009-02-25 09:32:45 akorphan is kcoyle here? She seems like the type of person I should meet. 2009-02-25 09:32:48 ecorrado going_quietly-- 2009-02-25 09:32:51 BigD nerd martyrs 2009-02-25 09:33:01 anarchivist mjg_++ 2009-02-25 09:33:03 mjg_ Online Crap Library Center? 2009-02-25 09:33:09 fak3r this is what we do at mobot, it's why I'm here 2009-02-25 09:33:10 lbjay huh, the markers are still fuxored 2009-02-25 09:33:13 mbklein mjg_: Isn't that how you leave work EVERY DAY? 2009-02-25 09:33:15 cschx librarian_martyr_complex-- 2009-02-25 09:33:17 fak3r transformers++ 2009-02-25 09:33:22 rsinger voltron++ 2009-02-25 09:33:23 edsu lbjay: do i need the an api key? 2009-02-25 09:33:24 BillDueber Isn't the voltron? 2009-02-25 09:33:27 mjg_ royt's official title is "crapmeister general" 2009-02-25 09:33:28 mikeybe superrobots++ 2009-02-25 09:33:30 dchud mjg_: we <3 our major sponsors 2009-02-25 09:33:31 robcaSSon lion_voltron++ 2009-02-25 09:33:34 bjy voltron++ 2009-02-25 09:33:36 ejk that's not transformer I've ever seen 2009-02-25 09:33:39 rsinger car_voltron-- 2009-02-25 09:33:40 lbjay edsu: it's in there 2009-02-25 09:33:41 robcaSSon car_voltron-- 2009-02-25 09:33:42 abarrera it is 2009-02-25 09:33:42 ejk s/not/no 2009-02-25 09:33:47 BillDueber lion_voltron-- vehicle_voltron++ 2009-02-25 09:33:48 robcaSSon rsinger: my brother 2009-02-25 09:33:48 rsinger robcaSSon++ 2009-02-25 09:33:49 akorphan that_third_voltron_that_didn't_have_a_cartoon++ 2009-02-25 09:33:51 mbklein @ana voltron the librarian 2009-02-25 09:33:54 zoia mbklein: Bear thrill innovator 2009-02-25 09:33:55 lbjay edsu: in the url that pulls the map js 2009-02-25 09:34:02 mjg_ dchud: notice that "<3" is shaped like a blade 2009-02-25 09:34:12 akorphan or a heart? 2009-02-25 09:34:13 BigD fireball! wait, wrong meme... 2009-02-25 09:34:16 fak3r consortium of libraries that want to work together? that's BHL - cultural heritage? 2009-02-25 09:34:18 mbklein mjg_: You romantic, you. 2009-02-25 09:34:24 akorphan or less than three? 2009-02-25 09:34:26 mjg_ "Thanks for your money! *STAB*" 2009-02-25 09:34:27 jtgorman Does endnote have a web interface like Refworks or is it only the client? 2009-02-25 09:34:29 rsinger robcaSSon: have you seen the robot chicken with the car voltron? 2009-02-25 09:34:40 dchud mjg_: to me it looks like i'm about to be very sad about the double-scoop ice cream cone that's falling over 2009-02-25 09:34:43 akorphan or a cookie? 2009-02-25 09:34:45 robcaSSon rsinger: no, but i'll be looking for it now 2009-02-25 09:34:52 ecorrado @insult standardds 2009-02-25 09:34:52 zoia standardds: You are nothing but a fen-sucked ooze of mammering vomit. 2009-02-25 09:34:57 BigD dchud++ 2009-02-25 09:34:57 mjg_ dchud: :( 2009-02-25 09:35:01 BillDueber "most open APIs are a loyalty scheme" 2009-02-25 09:35:11 mjg_ shammer++ 2009-02-25 09:35:14 mbklein "Honey, ever notice that this valentine you gave me is shaped like a blade?" 2009-02-25 09:35:16 BigD it was a cash register 2009-02-25 09:35:18 dchud well said 2009-02-25 09:35:20 fak3r_ irssi is lagging out, back in mibbit 2009-02-25 09:35:21 ejk @ana errant bell 2009-02-25 09:35:22 zoia ejk: Barrel lent 2009-02-25 09:35:24 jrochkind100 true 2009-02-25 09:35:25 abarrera BigD++ 2009-02-25 09:35:41 royt oh, and closed systems are better? 2009-02-25 09:35:41 fak3r_ lag on irssi is now at 187...bad 2009-02-25 09:35:46 royt WTF? 2009-02-25 09:35:52 mbklein @quote add Most so-called open APIs are loyalty schemes rather than interoperability devices 2009-02-25 09:35:53 zoia mbklein: Error: You must be registered to use this command. If you are already registered, you must either identify (using the identify command) or add a hostmask matching your current hostmask (using the "hostmask add" command). 2009-02-25 09:35:53 mjg_ @quote add Most open APIs are loyaly schemes rather than interoperability devices 2009-02-25 09:35:55 zoia mjg_: Error: You must be registered to use this command. If you are already registered, you must either identify (using the identify command) or add a hostmask matching your current hostmask (using the "hostmask add" command). 2009-02-25 09:35:56 BigD it's a heart with a gap in it, which fails from a hydraulic perspective 2009-02-25 09:35:57 jrochkind100 no, standard APIs are better, obviously. 2009-02-25 09:35:58 dchud royt: i don't think that's what he's saying 2009-02-25 09:36:00 jfereira dog in a bowling alley 2009-02-25 09:36:04 lbjay dog in a bowling alley! 2009-02-25 09:36:05 mjg_ mbklein++ 2009-02-25 09:36:10 royt royt waits for it then 2009-02-25 09:36:22 anarchivist_ @ana dog in a bowling alley 2009-02-25 09:36:23 pmurray @quote add Most so-called open APIs are loyalty schemes rather than interoperability devices 2009-02-25 09:36:23 zoia anarchivist_: Good! Wallying in able 2009-02-25 09:36:25 akorphan royt: I think he means that -even- open APIs are loyalty schemes. 2009-02-25 09:36:25 zoia pmurray: The operation succeeded. Quote #1739 added. 2009-02-25 09:36:27 MikeTaylor Roy, I rather think Seb's point is that using an open protocol is better than mkaing available an API to a proprietary one. 2009-02-25 09:36:35 jtgorman guess it does endnote web 2009-02-25 09:36:44 Scurvy oss != nda 2009-02-25 09:36:45 anarchivist @quote random 2009-02-25 09:36:46 zoia anarchivist: Quote #1568: " There is so much coupling on display that it should be given an X rating." (added by edsu at 01:10 PM, October 22, 2008) 2009-02-25 09:37:09 pmurray @sandp 2009-02-25 09:37:12 zoia pmurray: An error has occurred and has been logged. Please contact this bot's administrator for more information. 2009-02-25 09:37:14 royt isn't that what SRU is? 2009-02-25 09:37:20 pmurray ...I might have to look at that one. 2009-02-25 09:37:22 ecorrado @insult meetings 2009-02-25 09:37:23 zoia meetings: You are nothing but a fool-born petrification of elf-skinned gizzards. 2009-02-25 09:37:24 jrochkind100 I still think that good standardization only comes when you START by doing your own thing, and then discover best practices, and then standardize THEM. 2009-02-25 09:37:27 fak3r_ OSS++ 2009-02-25 09:37:27 fak3r_ api != oss 2009-02-25 09:37:27 fak3r_ pmurray++ 2009-02-25 09:37:30 BigD i wonder if sebastion would adopt me: DeclanHammer! 2009-02-25 09:37:30 fak3r_ I need to talk to this guy later and tell him about BHL - library consortium, book scanning via the IA, working with brewster, etc. 2009-02-25 09:37:33 Scurvy death by a 1000 standardizations 2009-02-25 09:37:35 MikeTaylor SRU is a protocol. 2009-02-25 09:37:39 MikeTaylor ZOOM is an API that implements it. 2009-02-25 09:37:41 lbjay @ana the little deaths 2009-02-25 09:37:43 zoia lbjay: Hated still teeth 2009-02-25 09:37:47 jrochkind100 Declan Hammer sounds like a Norweigan superhero. 2009-02-25 09:37:56 mjg_ Man, this talk could generate a dozen or more quotations. 2009-02-25 09:37:58 MikeTaylor But if you want to do SRU, ZOOm is only one of the many options you have, You're not locked in. 2009-02-25 09:37:59 ejk @rate opensource APIs 2009-02-25 09:38:04 zoia ejk: opensource: 9.5; APIs: 1.7. APIs sucks! opensource rocks! 2009-02-25 09:38:06 fak3r_ paying_fees-- 2009-02-25 09:38:09 abarrera jrochkind100: or a 70s porn star 2009-02-25 09:38:23 royt MikeTaylor: your proprietary API? 2009-02-25 09:38:31 ecorrado live forever via ree data! 2009-02-25 09:38:36 dchud i'm really enjoying this talk. 2009-02-25 09:38:38 ecorrado lag-- 2009-02-25 09:38:43 akorphan freely_contributed_data_cooption-- 2009-02-25 09:38:47 jbrinley @ana ree data 2009-02-25 09:38:48 dlovins dchud: I love this guy 2009-02-25 09:38:49 zoia jbrinley: Ate dear 2009-02-25 09:38:53 anarchivist lag-- 2009-02-25 09:38:56 MikeTaylor No, ZOOM is not proprietatry -- the API specs. are freely available at http://zoom.z3950.org/, along with many free implementations. 2009-02-25 09:38:57 akorphan cooption? coopting? 2009-02-25 09:38:59 anarchivist i blame dchud 2009-02-25 09:39:00 mjg_ shammer++ # or whatever his username is 2009-02-25 09:39:00 steambadger Mibbit is flashing me an advertisement for Brain Aneurysms. 2009-02-25 09:39:04 anarchivist and his youtube uploading 2009-02-25 09:39:19 mbklein @quote search API 2009-02-25 09:39:21 royt still don't see why a particular implementation of an API is a loyalty scheme in one instance and not in another 2009-02-25 09:39:23 zoia mbklein: 12 found: #1291: "< mjgiarlo> ZeroConfMetaSearchunAPI in the Hour...", #1551: "< mjgiarlo> I'm too scared to type H U S S E I...", #1688: " Your Website is Your API", #1739: " Most so-called open APIs are...", #221: " re: unapi, am i the only one who finds...", #241: "< eby> whenever i'm in here it's a bunch of...", #374: " not another maud'dib...the last guy...", #481: "< (1 more message) 2009-02-25 09:39:23 anarchivist zoom++ 2009-02-25 09:39:25 cschx http://www.arl.org/news/pr/oclc-policy-20feb09.shtml 2009-02-25 09:39:26 dlovins mchammer? 2009-02-25 09:39:28 mbklein @more 2009-02-25 09:39:29 zoia mbklein: dbs> now that i have a full week of Sirsi API...", #693: " Looking thru the Windows API is like a...", #760: " if you mix XQuery with server based...", #952: " Praising companies for providing...", and #963: " Praising companies for providing..." 2009-02-25 09:39:35 mbklein @quote add Most so-called open APIs are loyalty schemes rather than interoperability devices 2009-02-25 09:39:35 lbjay lbjay tapes a "push me" sign to his back 2009-02-25 09:39:36 zoia mbklein: Error: You must be registered to use this command. If you are already registered, you must either identify (using the identify command) or add a hostmask matching your current hostmask (using the "hostmask add" command). 2009-02-25 09:39:37 anarchivist all i wanna do a zoom zoom zoom 2009-02-25 09:39:42 MikeTaylor But the point is that if you don't like ZOOM, for whatever reason, there are still lots of other ways for you to interoperate with SRU-based servers 2009-02-25 09:39:51 mbklein @quote add Most so-called open APIs are loyalty schemes rather than interoperability devices 2009-02-25 09:39:52 highermath_c4 steambadger: did you buy any? 2009-02-25 09:39:52 dchud anarchivist: wait what did i do? 2009-02-25 09:39:52 zoia mbklein: The operation succeeded. Quote #1740 added. 2009-02-25 09:39:57 LibraryThingT There are so few SRU-based servers. 2009-02-25 09:39:59 robcaSSon royt: and while he's only mentioned oclc by name, i'm thinking more about ex-libris products, etc 2009-02-25 09:40:08 rsinger as i mentioned yesterday 2009-02-25 09:40:17 MikeTaylor Roy, an API is a loyalty scheme if it is a way to use a protocol that is otherwise not available to you. 2009-02-25 09:40:18 mjg_ Hammer is 2 legit 2 quit. 2009-02-25 09:40:22 jrochkind100 how much does a brain aneurysm cost these days? If the price is right, i might be interested. 2009-02-25 09:40:24 steambadger No. I added one to my wish list, though. 2009-02-25 09:40:42 dchud oh. yeah sorry about that. 2009-02-25 09:40:42 mbklein This is the best slide ever 2009-02-25 09:40:43 edsu awesome 2009-02-25 09:40:49 MrDys mjg_: hey, hey. 2009-02-25 09:40:53 dchud but this video is AWESOME 2009-02-25 09:40:57 kgs Sebastian++ 2009-02-25 09:41:00 jrochkind100 MikeTaylor: I see it different what he's saying. An API is a loyalty scheme if it's a custom API for a particular licensed software, so writing software to that API locks you into using THAT software. 2009-02-25 09:41:03 dchud almost as awesome as this slide 2009-02-25 09:41:11 jrochkind100 MikeTaylor: Not so much about the services behind the API, but about the API itself. 2009-02-25 09:41:16 fak3r_ dchud: yes, we need to work together more, share code, move forward together 2009-02-25 09:41:17 fak3r_ system_vendors-- 2009-02-25 09:41:17 fak3r standards are a mess, just 'curl' the file, run some sed/awk on it 2009-02-25 09:41:17 fak3r "If they're broken then they need to be fixed" <- brilliant 2009-02-25 09:41:18 mjg_ Hammer is turnin' this mutha out. 2009-02-25 09:41:19 MikeTaylor jrochkind100: also true. 2009-02-25 09:41:23 robcaSSon jrochkind++ 2009-02-25 09:41:28 fak3r IFC == IRC? 2009-02-25 09:41:31 mbklein Why can't I @quote add an entire slide? :) 2009-02-25 09:41:34 highermath_c4 niso -- 2009-02-25 09:41:39 jrochkind100 "If they're broken, they need to be fixed" -> See also RDA. 2009-02-25 09:41:42 anarchivist rfc++ 2009-02-25 09:41:43 mjg_ mjg_ administers his traditional dead_horse beatings. 2009-02-25 09:41:43 edsu please hammer don't hurt 'em 2009-02-25 09:41:48 mbklein vendors_we_don't_like++ 2009-02-25 09:41:48 fak3r mjg_: please Hammer, don't hurt them! 2009-02-25 09:41:53 mbklein Wait. 2009-02-25 09:41:54 bjy jrochkind100++ 2009-02-25 09:41:55 mbklein What? 2009-02-25 09:42:00 edsu s/don't// 2009-02-25 09:42:02 mib_xxmepy6r it's hammer time 2009-02-25 09:42:08 MrDys mjg_: stop it, you're making me flash back to the video for that crappy Addams Family song that he did 2009-02-25 09:42:09 anarchivist mjg_-- 2009-02-25 09:42:14 abarrera mchammer_references-- 2009-02-25 09:42:14 anarchivist err 2009-02-25 09:42:14 anarchivist mjg_++ 2009-02-25 09:42:15 anarchivist mjg_++ 2009-02-25 09:42:16 dlovins mc_hammer++ 2009-02-25 09:42:23 mjg_ MrDys: gaaaaaaaaah! 2009-02-25 09:42:26 robcaSSon abarrera++ 2009-02-25 09:42:32 lbjay shammer++ 2009-02-25 09:42:32 fak3r edsu++ 2009-02-25 09:42:32 jrochkind100 i believe the deep trouble. 2009-02-25 09:42:33 dlovins standing ovation !! 2009-02-25 09:42:38 jrochkind100 that was a good talk. 2009-02-25 09:42:42 highermath_c4 damn right 2009-02-25 09:42:45 royt "the mandate of the keynote speaker" 2009-02-25 09:42:47 mjg_ Gotta say, I am glad he's ditched the parachute pants. 2009-02-25 09:42:48 abarrera mjg_: no more references unless you go back on stage in hammer pants 2009-02-25 09:42:52 mbklein abarrera: At least mjg_ didn't wear his parachute pants. 2009-02-25 09:43:06 akorphan I called it! 2009-02-25 09:43:11 mjg_ Hammer's t-shirt size is "EXTRA AWESOME" 2009-02-25 09:43:24 kat3 abarrera: gold ones 2009-02-25 09:43:27 MikeTaylor I downloaded the RDA table of contents. It was 80 pages long, I didn't download the whole spec. 2009-02-25 09:43:39 Scurvy i like how he rolls up his sleeves when he asks for questions. 2009-02-25 09:43:45 mbklein More appropriately, what's the t-shirt's Sebastian size? 2009-02-25 09:43:48 -!-| Irssi: #code4lib: Total of 114 nicks 0 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 114 normal 2009-02-25 09:43:52 ejk wiki wiki wild wild web 2009-02-25 09:44:02 mbklein Is Sebastian Hammer going to become our own Chuck Norris? 2009-02-25 09:44:06 mjg_ Hammer's fists are so fearsome that his sleeves roll themselves up. 2009-02-25 09:44:09 abarrera mjg_: BigD will be one of your background dancers 2009-02-25 09:44:18 mjg_ abarrera++ 2009-02-25 09:44:19 jtgorman mjg++ 2009-02-25 09:44:29 mbklein abarrera: Shortest. Dance. Ever. 2009-02-25 09:44:30 pmurray pmurray can't wait to watch the recording of this based on the IRC reaction! 2009-02-25 09:44:56 mjg_ mbklein++ 2009-02-25 09:45:04 jrochkind100 royt, not going to ask him a question? 2009-02-25 09:45:04 jrochkind100 world wild web++ 2009-02-25 09:45:07 robcaSSon @ana sebastien hammer's action jeans 2009-02-25 09:45:08 zoia robcaSSon: Maintenance abhors majesties 2009-02-25 09:45:11 mbklein I wonder if there's any way to sync the timecode in the video with the IRC logs. 2009-02-25 09:45:17 dchud_ librarywebchic++ 2009-02-25 09:45:19 dchud_ ejlynema++ 2009-02-25 09:45:22 mjg_ zoia++ 2009-02-25 09:45:24 akorphan ejlynema++ 2009-02-25 09:45:26 royt ejlynema++ 2009-02-25 09:45:29 mbklein ejlynema++ 2009-02-25 09:45:29 lbjay great question 2009-02-25 09:45:30 royt great question 2009-02-25 09:45:35 mbklein @karma ejlynema 2009-02-25 09:45:36 zoia mbklein: Karma for "ejlynema" has been increased 58 times and decreased 2 times for a total karma of 56. 2009-02-25 09:45:51 mbklein mbklein Aagh! royt and lbjay have melded! 2009-02-25 09:46:05 akorphan I think that the standards issue falls under the metacrap umbrella 2009-02-25 09:46:05 anarchivist_ mbklein: don't gross me out 2009-02-25 09:46:07 rsinger rsinger sighs. 2009-02-25 09:46:13 mjg_ mbklein: VENDORTRON 2009-02-25 09:46:15 jrochkind100 all vendors are the same to me anyway. 2009-02-25 09:46:17 akorphan vendors have a vested interest in themselves and write APIs to match. 2009-02-25 09:46:17 decasm_nomad roybjay 2009-02-25 09:46:20 jrochkind100 KIDDING. 2009-02-25 09:46:26 jtgorman still doing better than the keynote yesterday form what I can tell of irc 2009-02-25 09:46:40 mbklein It works for EXLC 2009-02-25 09:46:50 robcaSSon jtgorman: yesterday's was good, just connectivity problems 2009-02-25 09:47:04 akorphan If we push for standardization, the "penalty" to noncompliant parties must be heavy enough that it is detrimental to them and they cave. 2009-02-25 09:47:32 dlovins ejlynema++ 2009-02-25 09:47:35 lbjay mjg_++ # vendortron 2009-02-25 09:47:37 rsinger akorphan: that being said --- DON'T MAKE PEOPLE IMPLEMENT STANDARDS LIKE NCIP 2009-02-25 09:47:44 dchud_ great talk! 2009-02-25 09:47:45 jtgorman robcaSSon: ah, some folks seemed a bit miffed/feathers ruffled 2009-02-25 09:47:45 lbjay do i still get a pocket knife? 2009-02-25 09:48:12 royt kgs++ # for taping 2009-02-25 09:48:13 mjg_ akorphan: if libraries are bold enough to stop giving them money. why agree to a contract if the product doesn't meet your needs (standardwise)? 2009-02-25 09:48:25 akorphan so the solution is cultural. 2009-02-25 09:48:35 akorphan (^mjg_) 2009-02-25 09:48:43 BigD eat the mic 2009-02-25 09:48:52 rsinger opa! 2009-02-25 09:48:54 rsinger oh wait 2009-02-25 09:49:01 mjg_ culture-- 2009-02-25 09:49:09 dchud_ a code4lib.org question: anders gave me his slides yesterday but i'm not sure where to upload them so i can link them from the schedule 2009-02-25 09:49:09 royt rsinger: pass the ouzo 2009-02-25 09:49:09 dchud_ we don't have distinct nodes for each talk yet do we? 2009-02-25 09:49:14 lbjay Olé 2009-02-25 09:49:15 mjg_ rsinger++ 2009-02-25 09:49:16 kgs royt a perfect job for me. I do the same small task 20 times for 3 days until I get it right. then I go home ;) 2009-02-25 09:49:22 royt dchud: send them to me 2009-02-25 09:49:28 jrochkind100 because it meets other needs. We have lots and lots of needs, and few options. 2009-02-25 09:49:32 mjg_ kgs++ 2009-02-25 09:49:36 dchud_ royt: ok thanks 2009-02-25 09:49:37 ecorrado has any vendor really tried to ncip... the efforts i've seen where only designed to implement barely enough to ineract with one or two specific systems 2009-02-25 09:49:40 rosy1280 duke_libraries++ 2009-02-25 09:49:41 jtgorman all the various library websites on how do to the various endnote/refworks direct web exports/imports makes it tricky finding actual web documentation 2009-02-25 09:49:46 rosy1280 duke_basketball-- 2009-02-25 09:49:47 wickr dchud_: you can add them as an attachment to the page 2009-02-25 09:49:48 jtgorman jtgorman goes to send some more emails 2009-02-25 09:49:49 zoia New news from planetcode4lib: del.icio.us: Code4Lib Logo | code4lib 2009-02-25 09:49:49 mbklein royt: 16-year-old single malt ouzo? 2009-02-25 09:49:50 dchud_ kgs: has anybody said the phrase "signed releases" to you yet this week? 2009-02-25 09:50:01 mjg_ Who developed NCIP? 2009-02-25 09:50:03 jrochkind100 ncip is too hard to implement. Part of a succesful standard is making it easy to implement. 2009-02-25 09:50:04 dchud_ kgs: or have you said it to anyone else? 2009-02-25 09:50:09 BillDueber jtgorman: If you find anyting about endnote direct export, ping me. I want to know. 2009-02-25 09:50:22 mbklein jrochkind100++ 2009-02-25 09:50:29 wickr royt++ # for the slide handling 2009-02-25 09:50:31 khatar mjg_, 3M as i know 2009-02-25 09:50:48 robcaSSon koha and evergreen share some ncip stuff, correct? 2009-02-25 09:50:48 rsinger khatar: no, that was sip3 2009-02-25 09:50:49 edsu committee at iso or niso? 2009-02-25 09:50:51 khatar openNCIP.org by liblime 2009-02-25 09:50:53 mbklein jrochkind100: EAD for example 2009-02-25 09:51:01 royt dchud_ wait, i think his are already there 2009-02-25 09:51:09 khatar implements the sip part 2009-02-25 09:51:12 royt mjg_ NISO, I believe 2009-02-25 09:51:22 khatar rgok, thx for correct me 2009-02-25 09:51:30 anarchivist mbklein++ 2009-02-25 09:51:42 mjg_ Was it developed in a vacuum? I'm just wondering who implemented as a clue for who might be using. 2009-02-25 09:51:51 BigD man, i need a diet coke 2009-02-25 09:51:57 ecorrado is the phrase signed releases needed from the podium? 2009-02-25 09:52:00 rsinger it was a NISO standard 2009-02-25 09:52:03 jrochkind100 mbklein: True, although I'm no fan of EAD either. easy to implement is necceary but not sufficient for a good standard. But I guess EAD is better than ncip. 2009-02-25 09:52:06 robcaSSon s/coke/pill/ 2009-02-25 09:52:09 rsinger mjg_: that is all that needs to be said 2009-02-25 09:52:12 robcaSSon BigD: your son is selling them 2009-02-25 09:52:18 royt dchud_ my bad, the slides aren't there yet 2009-02-25 09:52:18 khatar NISO-- ; you must pay to see the standrad 2009-02-25 09:52:25 Scurvy OLE meeting was painful 2009-02-25 09:52:36 chickmarkley all stanards will be incomplete without reference implementation 2009-02-25 09:52:39 mjg_ rsinger: yikes. 2009-02-25 09:52:52 BillDueber ALA-- ; you have to pay to see the RDA standard 2009-02-25 09:52:55 rsinger mjg_: i mean, seriously 2009-02-25 09:53:06 pmurray Pay to see a NISO standard? 2009-02-25 09:53:14 akorphan California-- 2009-02-25 09:53:15 abarrera BigD: robcaSSon has them hidden under our table 2009-02-25 09:53:17 rsinger mjg_: it's a society whose sole purpose is to overengineer for every edge case 2009-02-25 09:53:20 pmurray I don't think so -- I thought they were all openly published on the 'net. 2009-02-25 09:53:26 akorphan where some building codes are copyrighted and not freely available 2009-02-25 09:53:42 BigD abarrera: i'm not falling for that. again. 2009-02-25 09:53:52 rsinger is it ISO rather than NISO? 2009-02-25 09:53:54 pmurray ALA-- # For plans to having to see the RDA standard. 2009-02-25 09:54:00 mjg_ rsinger: I will fail, but I'd like to get the institutional identifiers group moving towards linked data. Not sure if it fits, but we're still early in the process. Sounds like it will be a spectacular failure. 2009-02-25 09:54:00 robcaSSon BigD++ # lol 2009-02-25 09:54:02 BigD akorphan: california++ 2009-02-25 09:54:06 pmurray rsinger: Yeah, most ISO standards to you have to pay for. 2009-02-25 09:54:07 dchud_ royt: ok, i'll get 'em to you. thx! 2009-02-25 09:54:25 akorphan california_building_codes_being_copyrighted_and_not_freely_available-- 2009-02-25 09:54:30 BillDueber mjg_: Fight the good fight. Even if you fail. And then die. With no pants. 2009-02-25 09:54:31 abarrera BigD++ # not falling for a banana in the tailpipe either? 2009-02-25 09:54:37 kgs dchud no... but if you want miker_'s autograph he's in the room! 2009-02-25 09:54:39 mjg_ BillDueber++ 2009-02-25 09:54:50 wickr abarrera++ 2009-02-25 09:54:57 jrochkind100 the hammer didn't promise you painlessness. 2009-02-25 09:55:01 mjg_ I was never asked about my dreams :( 2009-02-25 09:55:08 rsinger mjg_: i suppose if the scope remains small, it might work 2009-02-25 09:55:11 mjg_ (Mostly they're about robots and cured pork.) 2009-02-25 09:55:12 akorphan jrochkind100: Please, Hammer, don't hurt 'em. 2009-02-25 09:55:19 rsinger mjg_: but i've never seen one try to remain small 2009-02-25 09:55:20 jrochkind100 Most of my library doesn't have any dreams. 2009-02-25 09:55:28 dchud_ kgs: i have better than an autograph, i have his code. but, still, i worry about having signed releases. i'm a worrier. 2009-02-25 09:55:37 anarchivist @quote add < jrochkind100> the hammer didn't promise you painlessness. 2009-02-25 09:55:38 zoia anarchivist: The operation succeeded. Quote #1741 added. 2009-02-25 09:55:38 mjg_ rsinger: small and dumb is my niche. 2009-02-25 09:55:58 BillDueber BillDueber is out of the loop re: signed releases. What's up with that? 2009-02-25 09:56:03 mjg_ omgsoabpmolebbq! 2009-02-25 09:56:13 kgs ba-da-bump 2009-02-25 09:56:16 jtgorman BillDueber: I'm emailing a few people now, i don't have time to research it too much (I'm already getting close to the amount of hours I should be working on this project), then I'm dumping some of the headers of various ebsco etc 2009-02-25 09:56:21 BigD mmm, bbq 2009-02-25 09:56:27 jtgorman jtgorman wonders if that could be considered "reverse engineering" 2009-02-25 09:56:36 anarchivist anarchivist had the greatest epiphany this week 2009-02-25 09:56:38 JodiS ARL++ 2009-02-25 09:56:48 anarchivist i don't give a shit about web 2.0 but i love infrastructure 2009-02-25 09:56:49 akorphan anarchivist: Was it about barbecue? 2009-02-25 09:56:54 anarchivist akorphan++ 2009-02-25 09:56:55 jrochkind100 anarchivist: gonna tell us what it was? 2009-02-25 09:56:56 MrDys anarchivist: weirdo 2009-02-25 09:57:10 anarchivist MrDys: in the archives community i'm being sold as some big web 2.0 advocate 2009-02-25 09:57:19 dlovins NLA++ 2009-02-25 09:57:24 anarchivist MrDys: so i kept getting asked to do these talks on web 2.0 initiatives 2009-02-25 09:57:27 MrDys anarchivist: shows you how out of touch archivists are 2009-02-25 09:57:27 anarchivist NLA++ 2009-02-25 09:57:34 anarchivist MrDys: you're telling me 2009-02-25 09:57:50 BigD anarchivist: web2.0 is marketing 2009-02-25 09:58:02 mbklein anarchivist: My EAD comment was just blatant karma whoring. Thanks for playing along. :) 2009-02-25 09:58:04 BigD marketing helps ppl move to new ideas 2009-02-25 09:58:04 jrochkind100 "web2.0" doesn't mean anything. 2009-02-25 09:58:04 anarchivist BigD: you know, one of the archivists at NYPL keeps reminding me of that 2009-02-25 09:58:18 mjg_ BigD: "your content, my profit?" 2009-02-25 09:58:20 anarchivist EAD is totally easy to implement 2009-02-25 09:58:20 BigD not everyone is a crazed monkey on crack like us 2009-02-25 09:58:27 steambadger Just put your EADs on Twitter, one line at a time. 2009-02-25 09:58:28 jrochkind100 The archivists just need to worry about web PERIOD. They're not even "web 1.0" yet. 2009-02-25 09:58:40 anarchivist jrochkind100-- # watch it 2009-02-25 09:58:43 JodiS web2.0, at its BEST, is not marketing but connection. Attention to socialization. But, yeah, just marketing 2009-02-25 09:59:00 jbrinley "Web 0.3" 2009-02-25 09:59:04 mbklein mibbit's actually a pretty nice irc client, all things considered. 2009-02-25 09:59:05 akorphan jodis: Maybe a set of design behaviors.... 2009-02-25 09:59:14 dchud_ twitter-ead. the mind boggles! 2009-02-25 09:59:14 anarchivist anarchivist looks forward to more archival powwows at code4lib 2009-02-25 09:59:29 anarchivist bradw++ # for finally coming to c4lcon 2009-02-25 09:59:36 wickr wow that's an awesome chart 2009-02-25 09:59:44 dchud_ i *love* how this slide doesn't say what it does. it could be anything! 2009-02-25 09:59:50 MikeTaylor After Web 2.0 comes Web 3.0, then Web 3.1, then Web for Workgroups, then Web 95. 2009-02-25 09:59:54 atz "New OLE Modules" 2009-02-25 10:00:03 wickr it could be a boat! 2009-02-25 10:00:04 BigD or "neurotic pumas on jet-powered hoverbikes with nasty smack habits and opposable thumbs" http://www.monkeybagel.com/pumas.html 2009-02-25 10:00:09 jrochkind100 i'm glad the ole people are doing what they're doing. and i'm glad I'm not involved. 2009-02-25 10:00:10 abarrera web2.0=New Coke 2009-02-25 10:00:11 mjg_ The egg carton of doom. 2009-02-25 10:00:19 Kerwick So do the blocks on the bottom shoot missiles at the bubbles up top? 2009-02-25 10:00:28 atz MikeTaylor: you skipped WebNT 4.0? 2009-02-25 10:00:34 lbjay Kerwick++ 2009-02-25 10:00:41 wickr atz: that's Internet2 2009-02-25 10:00:45 akorphan MikeTaylor++ 2009-02-25 10:00:54 kat3 http://oleproject.org/2009/02/24/ole-project-related-applications-survey/ 2009-02-25 10:00:56 anarchivist wickr: you mean teh internets 2009-02-25 10:01:05 MikeTaylor I thought WebNT 4.0 came after Web 98, but before Web ME. 2009-02-25 10:01:08 lbjay lbjay was not done digesting the blocks and bubbles slide 2009-02-25 10:01:13 mjg_ MikeTaylor++ 2009-02-25 10:01:16 dlovins " 'Olé' is the Spanish adaptation of 'Allah', the Arabic word for God. So when Spaniards say 'Olé' at a bullfight, they are saying Praise 'Allah' " (Hisham Aidi) 2009-02-25 10:01:17 BigD WebBob 2009-02-25 10:01:21 mbklein abarrera: web2.0=when cars moved from being mechanical to being computerized. Same problems, harder and more expensive to fix, impossible to troubleshoot without help from the dealer. 2009-02-25 10:01:23 akorphan akorphan waits for the webbertubes to come into vogue. 2009-02-25 10:01:26 steambadger web 2.3b06 2009-02-25 10:01:39 rsinger dchud_: it does BPM 2009-02-25 10:01:45 anarchivist dlovins++ 2009-02-25 10:01:45 ecorrado web 3.0 rc04 2009-02-25 10:01:52 dchud_ rsinger: exactly! 2009-02-25 10:01:53 abarrera MikeTaylor++ # Web ME 2009-02-25 10:02:10 anarchivist dlovins: the rlg conf call i was on yesterday was really good 2009-02-25 10:02:11 BigD dlovins: did u see the TED talk that talked about Ole? 2009-02-25 10:02:30 lbjay @praise OLE 2009-02-25 10:02:31 zoia radiation has made OLE an enemy of civilization 2009-02-25 10:02:36 fak3r having_conversations++ 2009-02-25 10:02:36 fak3r community_sourcing_phrase-- 2009-02-25 10:02:36 mjg_ lbjay++ 2009-02-25 10:02:45 dlovins anarchavist: sorry I missed it. 2009-02-25 10:02:45 atz i'm pretty sure liblime doesn't have any time do spend w/ OLE... at least not my time 2009-02-25 10:02:46 mjg_ "Ole-hoo akbar!" 2009-02-25 10:02:49 jrochkind100 In OLE, the project reaches out YOU. 2009-02-25 10:02:49 anarchivist dlovins: looks line we're working to move towards operational groups to sorta work on groupings of questions 2009-02-25 10:02:51 akorphan is it break time after this? 2009-02-25 10:02:54 anarchivist dlovins: np, you were on the one i missed 2009-02-25 10:02:57 dlovins BidG: No I haven't seen the TED talk. Did it mention Allah? 2009-02-25 10:02:58 jbrinley @praise seems to be somewhat, um, faint, of late 2009-02-25 10:03:06 rosy1280 why is the interwebs still slow!! 2009-02-25 10:03:08 anarchivist akorphan: think there's one more 2009-02-25 10:03:12 atz 3 years from now... wtf. 2009-02-25 10:03:13 BillDueber akorphan: Nope. Blacklight. Go Bess! 2009-02-25 10:03:14 akorphan oh right 2009-02-25 10:03:15 fak3r everyone needs to stop surfing so we can irc here 2009-02-25 10:03:17 anarchivist rosy1280: bess is still bittorrenting 24 2009-02-25 10:03:18 royt anarchivist: careful, you're praising the evil OCLC 2009-02-25 10:03:19 akorphan bess++ 2009-02-25 10:03:19 lbjay jbrinley: what are you a civilization-lover? 2009-02-25 10:03:21 BigD dlovins: yep - from the work, eat, pray lady 2009-02-25 10:03:27 BigD actually a wonderful talk 2009-02-25 10:03:32 anarchivist royt: i'm not LibraryThingTim 2009-02-25 10:03:39 akorphan obama_posterizer++ 2009-02-25 10:03:39 steambadger Won't the Next Generation be over before that? 2009-02-25 10:03:42 anarchivist royt: giving you shit <> giving OCLC shit 2009-02-25 10:03:49 jrochkind100 yeah, he sold OLE well, I think. 2009-02-25 10:03:50 LibraryThingT I am Spartacus. 2009-02-25 10:03:52 rosy1280 bess-- 2009-02-25 10:03:54 anarchivist i finally get OLE 2009-02-25 10:03:58 dlovins anarchavist: I don't think I was invited to that conference call ... I was in a different time slot I guess 2009-02-25 10:04:06 harmless people should put their irc name at the end of the talk :) 2009-02-25 10:04:07 rsinger *crickets* 2009-02-25 10:04:08 robcaSSon meh 2009-02-25 10:04:12 rosy1280 OLE++ 2009-02-25 10:04:15 robcaSSon robcaSSon-- 2009-02-25 10:04:17 anarchivist dlovins: yeah, i couldn't do the one two weeks ago, actually because i was up in new haven for the day 2009-02-25 10:04:27 atz "my question is... what is there to have questions about?" 2009-02-25 10:04:30 anarchivist timmcgeary++ 2009-02-25 10:04:35 mjg_ timmcgeary++ 2009-02-25 10:04:35 dchud_ so, um, *ahem*. DO WE NEED TO GET SIGNED RELEASES BEFORE PUBLISHING VIDEOS? 2009-02-25 10:04:36 akorphan not to be confused with Microsoft OLE 2009-02-25 10:04:36 rsinger atz++ 2009-02-25 10:04:41 kgs dchud I'm not handling the releases but soemone is (eesh I thought this had to do with software and was panicked I didn't know it ... ) 2009-02-25 10:04:43 royt go bess! 2009-02-25 10:05:03 akorphan nice logo 2009-02-25 10:05:05 mjg_ neat logo. 2009-02-25 10:05:14 mjg_ bess++ 2009-02-25 10:05:16 lbjay electric avenue 2009-02-25 10:05:16 dchud_ "hi, bess" 2009-02-25 10:05:18 BillDueber While I love the idea of the blacklight logo, I'm not sure I could read it if I didn't already know what it says 2009-02-25 10:05:19 kgs bess++ 2009-02-25 10:05:19 robcaSSon they've done some really great design/logo work the past year 2009-02-25 10:05:22 atz neon_font++ 2009-02-25 10:05:22 anarchivist solrmarc++ 2009-02-25 10:05:22 JodiS bess++ 2009-02-25 10:05:29 BigD dlovins: http://www.ted.com/talks/elizabeth_gilbert_on_genius.html 2009-02-25 10:05:30 jrochkind100 kgs: you mean there might be something about software that you don't know? Unacceptable! 2009-02-25 10:05:31 BillDueber lbjay: And then you'll take it higher. 2009-02-25 10:05:35 dchud_ is anybody handling release forms? 2009-02-25 10:05:39 akorphan Does Blacklight make all the protein stains on your collection glow? 2009-02-25 10:05:43 mjg_ erikhatcher++ 2009-02-25 10:05:44 lbjay BillDueber: you're thinking of robcaSSon 2009-02-25 10:05:46 anarchivist akorphan-- 2009-02-25 10:05:49 JodiS erikhatcher++ 2009-02-25 10:05:50 anarchivist solr_preconf++ 2009-02-25 10:05:59 ecorrado dchud_: we're discussing it at table 1.0 2009-02-25 10:05:59 anarchivist erikhatcher++ 2009-02-25 10:05:59 jrochkind100 akorphan: yes. 2009-02-25 10:06:13 kgs jrochkind100 well something *basic* about software licensing... I was thinking gee, the devs tag releases when they're ready... but sign them?! 2009-02-25 10:06:13 mjg_ erikhatcher's_sermon++ 2009-02-25 10:06:23 fak3r damn, I'm getting lag of over 100 on my irssi lag-o-meter 2009-02-25 10:06:23 jrochkind100 bess++ # talking slowly AND non-monotonously, a code4lib first! 2009-02-25 10:06:28 dlovins BigD++ 2009-02-25 10:06:29 Scurvy ++jawdropping-- 2009-02-25 10:06:34 kgs there is one speaker who didn't sign a release and we'll be sure not to tape him 2009-02-25 10:06:36 JodiS fak3r: CRAZY lag from here 2009-02-25 10:06:42 mbklein If the network is really becoming the platform, we're all going straight into the ocean. 2009-02-25 10:06:50 mbklein Just sayin'. 2009-02-25 10:06:51 anarchivist erick_sermon++ 2009-02-25 10:06:54 LibraryThingT nice 2009-02-25 10:06:55 mjg_ I like the ocean. 2009-02-25 10:06:56 dchud_ kgs: oh so this was already handled? wonderful. /me shuts back up 2009-02-25 10:06:57 JodiS kgs: were those done electronically in advance? 2009-02-25 10:06:57 JodiS ocean++ 2009-02-25 10:06:57 anarchivist parrish_smith++ 2009-02-25 10:06:58 erikhatcher I woke up this morning.... 2009-02-25 10:07:06 abarrera i like Billie Ocean 2009-02-25 10:07:08 mjg_ anarchivist++ # strickly bizniss 2009-02-25 10:07:08 jbrinley jbrinley is going to the ocean Friday 2009-02-25 10:07:10 erikhatcher and heard a disturbing sound 2009-02-25 10:07:14 anarchivist mjg_++ 2009-02-25 10:07:14 dchud_ Eddy Grant! 2009-02-25 10:07:25 robcaSSon *_business++ 2009-02-25 10:07:26 akorphan serendipity++ 2009-02-25 10:07:34 dchud_ ooh, purty 2009-02-25 10:07:35 BigD jbrinley: me too, when i go home ;) 2009-02-25 10:07:37 anarchivist but doesn't blacklight sterilize stuff? you know, like, in the good way? 2009-02-25 10:07:38 atz please no more hand-wringing about stacks... has nobody *ever* had a good recommendation from Amazon or Google? 2009-02-25 10:07:40 kgs JodiS I don't know. in fact I'm just assuming. I'm just a monkey swappnig out tapes under the direction of a student intern 2009-02-25 10:07:41 lbjay jbrinley: where ya headed? 2009-02-25 10:07:42 rosy1280 erikhatcher was it the internet crashing? 2009-02-25 10:07:44 fak3r next year I'm bringing my own wifi router, and will run an IRCd on a dedicated box 2009-02-25 10:07:46 jrochkind100 "going to the ocean" is a euphemism, right jbrinley? 2009-02-25 10:07:49 jtgorman weird... 2009-02-25 10:07:52 zoia Ŧåĸŏ 2009-02-25 10:07:59 kgs royt ? 2009-02-25 10:08:06 jtgorman I've never seen Salutation as a required field in a "help contact form" 2009-02-25 10:08:12 jbrinley jrochkind100: no, I'm going swimming in the ocean on Friday 2009-02-25 10:08:13 JodiS fak3r++ 2009-02-25 10:08:14 codemonkey which is better vufind or blacklight? 2009-02-25 10:08:20 erikhatcher rosy1280: it was the jingle *jangle* of a thousand lost books 2009-02-25 10:08:25 anarchivist codemonkey: neither 2009-02-25 10:08:28 lbjay i think glen newton looks like the pilot guy from LOST 2009-02-25 10:08:28 LibraryThingT Do we need to choose? 2009-02-25 10:08:31 erikhatcher codemonkey: blacklight :) 2009-02-25 10:08:38 BigD jbrinley: in the ocean out here? brrr! 2009-02-25 10:08:39 anarchivist err 2009-02-25 10:08:41 jbrinley jbrinley is visiting Miami after c4lcon 2009-02-25 10:08:42 erikhatcher LibraryThingTim: well sure, libraries need to choose 2009-02-25 10:08:43 anarchivist blacklight 2009-02-25 10:08:43 lbjay lah-peet-us 2009-02-25 10:08:44 anarchivist uva++ 2009-02-25 10:08:47 dchud_ "classic soft rock : over 50 all-time favorites" 2009-02-25 10:08:49 mjg_ codemonkey: whichever is easiest for your sysadmins to support, prolly. 2009-02-25 10:08:54 akorphan search_failure-- 2009-02-25 10:09:00 jrochkind100 well, yeah, an individual institution needs to choose to implement one or the other or neither. No reason to implement both . 2009-02-25 10:09:02 jrochkind100 blacklight is better. 2009-02-25 10:09:05 rosy1280 erikhatcher i think it was the interwebs 2009-02-25 10:09:06 mbklein On video first, THEN the book. 2009-02-25 10:09:09 anarchivist teh winnar! 2009-02-25 10:09:18 atz wow, low success threshhold 2009-02-25 10:09:21 akorphan tiebreaker is probably pub date 2009-02-25 10:09:26 LibraryThingT Well, if they controlled 50/50 of the market, I'd be happy. Oh, Evergreen and Koha can have slices too. There, can we go home now that we've decided this? :) 2009-02-25 10:09:29 Scurvy FRBR we hardly knew you 2009-02-25 10:09:31 gsf facetinating 2009-02-25 10:09:38 mjg_ mjg_ now has the velvets' "the ocean" rattling around his empty skull. 2009-02-25 10:09:51 fak3r mjg_: the ocean++ 2009-02-25 10:09:56 erikhatcher gsf++ 2009-02-25 10:09:57 codemonkey does vufind or blacklight support real time synch with voyegur, which mean when a patron search a book can it give the correct hold/status of the book? 2009-02-25 10:09:58 timmcgeary timmcgeary is breathing again 2009-02-25 10:09:59 kat3 pinyin 2009-02-25 10:10:04 rsinger KCODE+- 2009-02-25 10:10:07 mbklein LibraryThingTim: The catalog is not the ILS. Koha/Evergreen inhabit a different space from Blacklight/vufind 2009-02-25 10:10:08 kgs good job timmcgeary 2009-02-25 10:10:09 rosy1280 rosy1280 doesn't speak that language 2009-02-25 10:10:11 kat3 that's a tough translation to handle 2009-02-25 10:10:20 jrochkind100 codemonkey: Sort of. 2009-02-25 10:10:21 timmcgeary kgs: thanks 2009-02-25 10:10:23 cbarr VuFind gets the real-time status from Voyager 2009-02-25 10:10:23 lbjay is the list of yesterday's lightning talks captured somewhere? 2009-02-25 10:10:25 robcaSSon codemonkey: you just pull/scrape on display 2009-02-25 10:10:28 royt kgs: no clue, but will check with Brown folks on the break 2009-02-25 10:10:31 ruest buddha++ 2009-02-25 10:10:32 ecorrado codemonkey: dont know about blacklight but vufind does 2009-02-25 10:10:35 dchud_ lbjay: yes i think it's on the wiki 2009-02-25 10:10:41 royt lbjay: yes, on the lightning talks page 2009-02-25 10:10:46 LibraryThingT That's true. 2009-02-25 10:10:47 dchud_ lbjay: plus ray got pictures, they're in his flickr stream 2009-02-25 10:10:48 rsinger this sort of thing is why blacklight should just punt to jruby 2009-02-25 10:11:00 dlovins vufind++ 2009-02-25 10:11:01 gsf codemonkey: usually via ajax screenscrape, yeah 2009-02-25 10:11:10 royt lbjay: http://code4lib.org/conference/2009/lightning 2009-02-25 10:11:13 jrochkind100 Blacklight sort of does. Blacklight is not an out of the box solution for anyone, yet. IMO. You need to be interested in working on it. Which I am. It's a really good foundation to work on. 2009-02-25 10:11:13 lbjay thansks 2009-02-25 10:11:13 akorphan I wonder what the scalability of blacklight is 2009-02-25 10:11:15 mjg_ rayschwartz++ # a picture-taking FIEND 2009-02-25 10:11:18 fak3r differentCharSets-- 2009-02-25 10:11:31 robcaSSon robcaSSon waits for a solr based discovery layer written in Groovy 2009-02-25 10:11:33 erikhatcher akorphan: solr scales to billions of documents 2009-02-25 10:11:36 codemonkey cool, I guess then i'll look in to vufind, thanks :) 2009-02-25 10:11:44 BigD i'd usually be taking pix, but it's too friggin cold to haul that thing outside 2009-02-25 10:11:51 akorphan solr++ 2009-02-25 10:11:54 BigD and the light sucks in here 2009-02-25 10:11:58 lbjay royt: is the wiki serving as the signup sheet? 2009-02-25 10:11:59 atz "Unicorn" is not specific enough to say when you are talking about URLs 2009-02-25 10:11:59 rsinger groovy-- 2009-02-25 10:12:00 BigD and i was told not to flash ;) 2009-02-25 10:12:04 mbklein persistent_urls++ 2009-02-25 10:12:17 akorphan Invalid_or_missing_multifunction_form_CGI_type-- 2009-02-25 10:12:19 rsinger akorphan: what would not be scalable about it? 2009-02-25 10:12:21 jrochkind100 Personally, I think anyone currently looking for an out of the box not-going-to-touch-the-code-myself library 'ng' catalog solution -- is looking for a utopia that does not exist. 2009-02-25 10:12:30 erikhatcher codemonkey: blacklight will welcome you back when you want elegance in your view :) 2009-02-25 10:12:31 fak3r jrochkind100++ 2009-02-25 10:12:38 Scurvy sessionid_in_URL-- 2009-02-25 10:12:45 rsinger s/view/code/ 2009-02-25 10:12:46 mjg_ BigD: I imagine we'd all look jaundiced. 2009-02-25 10:12:48 akorphan rsinger: I don't know enough about the backend stuff to know what's going to end up being scalable and what's not, so just an honest question in this case. 2009-02-25 10:12:48 abarrera well what happens is UVA gets divorced? 2009-02-25 10:12:53 anarchivist oh fuck, justrealized my data typing for one of my drupal CCK fields for our new website is wrong 2009-02-25 10:12:54 anarchivist oops 2009-02-25 10:12:55 atz *which* Unicorn OPAC: web2, orbix, or whatever the other ones were? 2009-02-25 10:13:00 rosy1280 just thinking...mellon throws a lot of money at the same problems...isn't that wasteful 2009-02-25 10:13:05 timmcgeary timmcgeary is working on real-time status for Unicorn/Symphony to work in VuFind and Blacklight 2009-02-25 10:13:06 jrochkind100 I mean, it's just the other side of the coin of thinking if you just pay the right vendor enough money, all your problems will be solved. 2009-02-25 10:13:09 jrochkind100 It's not there yet. 2009-02-25 10:13:13 BigD mjg_: you always do 2009-02-25 10:13:17 rsinger akorphan: it's really just a webinterface for a solr index 2009-02-25 10:13:26 jrochkind100 timmcgeary: thanks for not calling it 'sirsidynix'. SD has TWO ILSs, people! 2009-02-25 10:13:34 gsf rsinger: aren't we all 2009-02-25 10:13:36 rsinger akorphan: so there's really nothing /unscalable/ about it 2009-02-25 10:13:36 timmcgeary rosy1280: mellon's only job is to throw money, actually 2009-02-25 10:13:40 codemonkey @erikhatcher: I'm not set on anything yet. I guess I'll give all the options a try on a test server and see how it goes 2009-02-25 10:13:42 zoia codemonkey: duuude ur marshing my mallow 2009-02-25 10:13:42 mbklein REST++ 2009-02-25 10:13:49 jbrinley jbrinley wants that 2009-02-25 10:13:52 timmcgeary jrochkind100: you're welcome 2009-02-25 10:13:55 dbs jrochkind100: not for long :) 2009-02-25 10:14:00 fak3r misspeling-- 2009-02-25 10:14:02 dchud_ ugh: "TypeError: string indices must be integers" 2009-02-25 10:14:10 jrochkind100 I don't think there's anything wrong with parallel efforts working on similar problems. But if I were Mellon, would I spend my money differently than they actually do? Sure. 2009-02-25 10:14:11 timmcgeary but dbs is correct - not for long 2009-02-25 10:14:19 akorphan rsinger: I've never played with solr or even know a lot about it, so I wasn't sure what to expect. 2009-02-25 10:14:22 lbjay @aussie [karma REST] 2009-02-25 10:14:23 zoia lbjay: SHRIMP ON THE BARBIE, MATES! 2009-02-25 10:14:36 Scurvy I always loved the 008 fixed field best. 2009-02-25 10:14:40 mjg_ mjg_ adds @aussie to foaf:currentProject 2009-02-25 10:14:48 rsinger akorphan: i'll pass the solr advocacy to erikhatcher 2009-02-25 10:14:53 dbs atz: others are iBlink and eps rooms and ... whatever their kochief competitor is 2009-02-25 10:14:55 robcaSSon solr++ 2009-02-25 10:14:55 atz i think i could handle the "how do I spend all this cash?" problem in the library space.... 2009-02-25 10:14:59 edsu i wonder if blacklight pages uses to reference the xml representation 2009-02-25 10:15:02 JodiS bess++ 2009-02-25 10:15:04 timmcgeary One of the big problems in Mellon is that their IT grant budget is significantly smaller than humanities (w/o technology) 2009-02-25 10:15:04 jrochkind100 we'll see how long. I'll bet you $100 that in 10 years there will still be hundreds of libraries using Horizon. 2009-02-25 10:15:04 mbklein @foaf mjg_ currentProject 2009-02-25 10:15:05 BigD i went to sleep dreaming of an rdf de-cliqueifying app... 2009-02-25 10:15:07 zoia mbklein: mjg_ : , 2009-02-25 10:15:17 BigD need a 3d graphviz tool 2009-02-25 10:15:26 atz dbs++ 2009-02-25 10:15:27 jrochkind100 edsu: If not, it's easy to fix. 2009-02-25 10:15:30 atz iblink-- 2009-02-25 10:15:32 gsf any tables with an open chair AND power outlet? 2009-02-25 10:15:38 timmcgeary so they end up giving smaller grants to a number of projects rather than being able to give a large grant to a cooperation 2009-02-25 10:15:43 gsf i'm running low 2009-02-25 10:15:44 dbs jrochkind100: you're probably right. there may even be some place in BC running the scuppered Horizon 8 2009-02-25 10:15:55 rosy1280 timmcgeary yeah i get that, but are they really solving anything with their money? 2009-02-25 10:15:56 edsu jrochkind100: yea 2009-02-25 10:15:58 rsinger i really dug how easy it is to hack on blacklight 2009-02-25 10:16:07 robcaSSon gsf: if you chord will reach, we've got open power on the table behind you 2009-02-25 10:16:17 fak3r duets++ 2009-02-25 10:16:19 rsinger \m/ 2009-02-25 10:16:21 atz gsf: take Bess' seat! 2009-02-25 10:16:22 royt flickr paging totally sucks...photos you've seen on page one show up on subsequent pages...wtf? 2009-02-25 10:16:32 timmcgeary rosy1280: I don't think it is their job to solve. It's our job to solve it w/ their money, right? 2009-02-25 10:16:46 kgs rosy1280 think of it as an ARL stimulus package. 2009-02-25 10:16:47 mbklein jsonovich++ 2009-02-25 10:16:47 royt bess++ # good speaker 2009-02-25 10:16:50 BigD royt: i'm losing the flickr love... their interface is butt 2009-02-25 10:16:50 Scurvy expanded searching? 2009-02-25 10:16:55 atz bess++ good problem example 2009-02-25 10:17:09 fak3r BigD: flickr ui hasn't changed/improved in years 2009-02-25 10:17:13 jbrinley gsf: chairs and power at the front table (next to ecorrado) 2009-02-25 10:17:13 charper implied_marc_data-- 2009-02-25 10:17:14 mjg_ bess++ # general rocking 2009-02-25 10:17:16 charper bess++ 2009-02-25 10:17:21 timmcgeary bess++ 2009-02-25 10:17:29 gsf robcaSSon: didn't want to be that jerk, but think i will 2009-02-25 10:17:41 fak3r allman_brothers++ 2009-02-25 10:17:46 zoia New news from planetcode4lib: Brickley, Dan: On the internet, no-one knows. 2009-02-25 10:17:49 robcaSSon gsf: i'll do it for you. everyone already knows i'm a jerk 2009-02-25 10:17:54 rosy1280 timmcgeary although i'm hoping the money they give ole solves something 2009-02-25 10:17:56 lbjay MrDys: did you get your mac address registered? need that url again? 2009-02-25 10:18:00 jfereira music brains? 2009-02-25 10:18:07 rsinger The University of Virginia Axel Rose Music Library 2009-02-25 10:18:08 BigD BRAINS!!! 2009-02-25 10:18:08 liza31337 MusicBrainz 2009-02-25 10:18:10 MrDys lbjay: I'm glaring at you 2009-02-25 10:18:16 timmcgeary rosy1280: I do too! 2009-02-25 10:18:18 jbrinley is someone giving a lighting talk about musicbrainz? 2009-02-25 10:18:18 rsinger Axl 2009-02-25 10:18:21 lbjay gsf: what was that url again? 2009-02-25 10:18:21 dchud_ dchud_ queues "Jessica" in brainz 2009-02-25 10:18:24 ecorrado @sing Allman Brothers 2009-02-25 10:18:27 zoia Baby, I'm too far gone to turn around / Oh, if only you would make up your mind / Take me where you go, you're leaving me behind / Lord, you got those come and go blues 2009-02-25 10:18:30 atz Just got use your illusion 2? 2009-02-25 10:18:31 MikeTaylor Could you guys all please run a few less bittorrent clients? Teh internets today is so slow it's making yesterday's repsonse seem lightning-like ... and I need to do a git push :-) 2009-02-25 10:18:32 atz wtf? 2009-02-25 10:18:36 rosy1280 timmcgeary definitely our job, like kgs idea of a stimulus package 2009-02-25 10:18:36 jrochkind100 Yeah, but they just get it all from torrents, dude. 2009-02-25 10:18:38 JodiS always a good question: "are they really solving anything with their money?" rosy1280++ 2009-02-25 10:18:43 mbklein @sing Allman Brothers : Jessica 2009-02-25 10:18:44 BigD college students are broke? 2009-02-25 10:18:46 zoia Instrumental 2009-02-25 10:18:48 BigD they can get a job 2009-02-25 10:18:50 JodiS bess: "That's a FAIL." 2009-02-25 10:18:54 mbklein zoia++ nice! 2009-02-25 10:18:55 zoia mbklein: Hang on, let me check my +2 Bag of Holding... 2009-02-25 10:18:57 gsf lbjay: for which? 2009-02-25 10:18:58 fak3r using "that's a fail" in a speech. good/bad, discuss 2009-02-25 10:18:58 BigD someone please tell my son this... 2009-02-25 10:19:02 edsu people are running bittorrent? 2009-02-25 10:19:04 dchud_ JodiS: that did sound like it was all caps, didn't it :) 2009-02-25 10:19:10 wtd bess++ 2009-02-25 10:19:12 timmcgeary rosy1280: that's definitely a fair description 2009-02-25 10:19:19 ecorrado whenever I hear about things some LSs can not do, it makes Voyager look better 2009-02-25 10:19:21 abarrera BigD: i heard you dad, just send the child support and stop bitching 2009-02-25 10:19:26 gsf fak3r: s/that's a/epic/ makes it ok 2009-02-25 10:19:28 erikhatcher bess++ 2009-02-25 10:19:29 lbjay gsf: the speaker mac address thing 2009-02-25 10:19:30 wtd "If you're spending lots of money on music and not telling your users about it ... you might be a library." 2009-02-25 10:19:30 ecorrado lowering_thebar-- 2009-02-25 10:19:33 JodiS timmcgeary: does "enterprise" library system mean that we need more tech staff? And if so, how do we get that? 2009-02-25 10:19:36 robcaSSon bess++ uva++ # they've given us some great ideas already 2009-02-25 10:19:42 gsf lbjay: http://rc98.net/macaddress 2009-02-25 10:19:45 BigD wtd++ 2009-02-25 10:19:50 lbjay gsf: coolio 2009-02-25 10:19:51 rsinger haha 2009-02-25 10:19:53 JodiS bess++ 2009-02-25 10:19:57 anarchivist gsf++ 2009-02-25 10:19:58 JodiS wtd: :( 2009-02-25 10:20:05 akorphan solr indexing strengths/weaknesses? 2009-02-25 10:20:07 jtgorman Thomson_Reuters-- 2009-02-25 10:20:07 rosy1280 rosy1280 annoyed that s.o. was paid with mellon money and paid poorly 2009-02-25 10:20:07 atz if your college students can't find GnR mp3s, I question their dedication.. 2009-02-25 10:20:11 mjg_ "enterprise"-- 2009-02-25 10:20:22 robcaSSon akorphan: "there are only strengths" 2009-02-25 10:20:28 jtgorman I mean, what, is this 1950? Why require a salutation in your freaken form. Make it optional. 2009-02-25 10:20:30 Kerwick wtd++ 2009-02-25 10:20:40 timmcgeary JodiS: no, actually it should not mean that; it should mean that there is a better streamlined interoperability with other enterprise systems already in place that the ILS is (trying to) work with 2009-02-25 10:20:55 JodiS timmcgeary: ok, that makes more sense 2009-02-25 10:20:55 mib_xxmepy6r atz... good point... 2009-02-25 10:20:56 akorphan robcaSSon: a bold pronouncement 2009-02-25 10:21:07 mbklein gsf ftw 2009-02-25 10:21:12 atz jtgorman: just make the default salutation "Lord" 2009-02-25 10:21:12 timmcgeary JodiS: it should mean that the 10 people we have work in our Banner dept should be working with our Acq folks to handle purchasing better 2009-02-25 10:21:16 mjg_ roman_coins++ 2009-02-25 10:21:21 anarchivist @band add The Normanby Hoard 2009-02-25 10:21:21 zoia anarchivist: Band 'The Normanby Hoard' added to list 2009-02-25 10:21:22 robcaSSon akorphan++ 2009-02-25 10:21:29 anarchivist roman_hands++ 2009-02-25 10:21:32 JodiS timmcgeary: good luck with that. but yes. 2009-02-25 10:21:34 anarchivist russian_fingers++ 2009-02-25 10:21:35 dlovins bess++ 2009-02-25 10:21:40 royt sweet 2009-02-25 10:21:43 gsf @band 2009-02-25 10:21:44 zoia gsf: Captain Stubbing's Mistress 2009-02-25 10:21:44 anarchivist LAM_integration++ 2009-02-25 10:21:44 mjg_ bess++ # talking at a high level, showing code, kicking arse 2009-02-25 10:21:46 JodiS pessimism-- 2009-02-25 10:21:54 atz timmcgeary: it would also help if ILS apps had "enterprise" class reliability and Q/A 2009-02-25 10:21:56 mjg_ anarchivist+- 2009-02-25 10:22:04 JodiS blacklight++ 2009-02-25 10:22:06 timmcgeary JodiS: I know, right! It's why we are bringing the CIOs to the table next week 2009-02-25 10:22:12 JodiS stanford++ 2009-02-25 10:22:19 jrochkind100 roman coins <> COinS 2009-02-25 10:22:19 jrochkind100 stanford++ 2009-02-25 10:22:24 anarchivist beyond_the_silos_of_the_LAMs+- 2009-02-25 10:22:25 dbs atz: aye! And APIs! 2009-02-25 10:22:25 robcaSSon stanford is going w/ everything tho, right? 2009-02-25 10:22:31 anarchivist COinS4coins 2009-02-25 10:22:32 timmcgeary atz: absolutely agree - that's why we are investing in the governance design component heavily 2009-02-25 10:22:37 mbklein engines++ 2009-02-25 10:22:39 khatar solr based ... i'm afraid about it .. 2009-02-25 10:22:53 timmcgeary atz: and looking at other major projects and how they are handling governance 2009-02-25 10:23:01 mbklein rails_engines++ 2009-02-25 10:23:02 akorphan painful_merging-- 2009-02-25 10:23:06 liza31337 Blacklight is awesome, wow 2009-02-25 10:23:07 khatar ROR++ 2009-02-25 10:23:13 royt *spontaneous applause* 2009-02-25 10:23:14 Scurvy painful_merging-- 2009-02-25 10:23:14 khatar MVC++ 2009-02-25 10:23:15 highermath_c4 ah, objection 2009-02-25 10:23:16 rsinger sheesh people what's your amazing alternative that you are clinging to in favor of solr? 2009-02-25 10:23:31 mbklein How do engines handle precedence? What if one engine defines a route or a template that conflicts with another engine? 2009-02-25 10:23:32 anarchivist rsinger: SWISH-E! 2009-02-25 10:23:35 erikhatcher to be fair, Solr Flare circa code4lib 07 was (and still is) Rails Engines based :) 2009-02-25 10:23:38 Scurvy fancy_schmancy++ 2009-02-25 10:23:39 jrochkind100 for the long haul, well-designed code, well-designed process, means more than "works out of the box without me having to touch it." 2009-02-25 10:23:41 mjg_ bess++ erikhatcher++ # code is already out there, w/ an eye towards discouraging crappy merges/forks 2009-02-25 10:23:41 royt oh, nice, a generic blacklight web site now 2009-02-25 10:23:48 jfereira jira++ 2009-02-25 10:23:53 mjg_ rsinger: grep 2009-02-25 10:23:53 steambadger RoR overlays ++ 2009-02-25 10:23:55 anarchivist solrmarc++ 2009-02-25 10:23:57 anarchivist solrmarc++ 2009-02-25 10:23:59 anarchivist solrmarc++ 2009-02-25 10:23:59 JodiS timcgeary: OLE comes off as another ILS project, starting with talking rather than coding. I'm starting to understand what you're talking about. Hoping for clearer communication--and sorry I'm slow to catch on! 2009-02-25 10:23:59 khatar rsinger, i don't know i admit 2009-02-25 10:23:59 mbklein rsinger: People love to diss the popular kids. :) 2009-02-25 10:24:01 atz rsinger: zebra? 2009-02-25 10:24:04 jtgorman so...I had to choose from "Dr.,Mr.,Mrs.,Ms.".. 2009-02-25 10:24:07 royt too bad http://blacklight.org/ was already registered 2009-02-25 10:24:17 jtgorman the form letter they send back "Dear Sir/Madam," 2009-02-25 10:24:17 khatar yeah, grep ! 2009-02-25 10:24:17 timmcgeary we just started using swish-e with our DL collections with contentdm 2009-02-25 10:24:17 abarrera VUFind+Blacklight=solrmarclove 2009-02-25 10:24:19 rsinger atz: wrong answer 2009-02-25 10:24:20 khatar grep++ 2009-02-25 10:24:23 jtgorman weird 2009-02-25 10:24:25 jrochkind100 mbklein: I'm not sure, in general having more than one engine installed is not the usual use case. But I suspect you could specify precedence in your app's environment.rb, just by specifying load order of the plugins, which you can do. 2009-02-25 10:24:26 mbklein jrochkind100++ 2009-02-25 10:24:33 rsinger atz: but, credit that it's an answer 2009-02-25 10:24:41 mjg_ JodiS++ # I think a lot of folks share that opinion and would like clarification. 2009-02-25 10:24:43 robcaSSon localsolr++ 2009-02-25 10:24:46 akorphan jtgorman: Did you choose "Dr"? 2009-02-25 10:24:49 timmcgeary JodiS: our hope is that the communication we bring helps to clear that confusion that we are not another ILS 2009-02-25 10:24:51 anarchivist localsolr++ 2009-02-25 10:25:06 anarchivist was that the thx noise? 2009-02-25 10:25:17 akorphan BRREEEEOOOOOWWWWWWWW 2009-02-25 10:25:19 royt bess++ 2009-02-25 10:25:19 khatar rsinger, why is it a wrong answer ? 2009-02-25 10:25:19 anarchivist i <3 solrmarc 2009-02-25 10:25:25 rjw Jangle++ 2009-02-25 10:25:25 jbrinley bess++ # nice presentation 2009-02-25 10:25:27 abarrera bess++ 2009-02-25 10:25:30 dchud_ bess++ # great job! 2009-02-25 10:25:31 akorphan bess++ 2009-02-25 10:25:34 rsinger khatar: i was just being snarky 2009-02-25 10:25:35 ejk bess++ 2009-02-25 10:25:41 dlovins bess++ 2009-02-25 10:25:45 timmcgeary bess++ 2009-02-25 10:25:50 charper bess++ # really good talk 2009-02-25 10:26:09 rsinger khatar: but there reasons why i prefer solr to zebra 2009-02-25 10:26:29 fak3r that was good, the fact that they're partnering with VuFind is fantastic 2009-02-25 10:26:29 khatar i do right to ya right now ... 2009-02-25 10:26:31 atz it's the right answer for koha anyway 2009-02-25 10:26:31 atz rsinger: do you consider it possible to "standardize" on jangle yet? 2009-02-25 10:26:31 atz it seems more experimental... less "standard" 2009-02-25 10:30:06 fak3r gouge away 2009-02-25 10:33:46 bjy nomnomnom 2009-02-25 10:33:49 ejk I will vote a 3 right now to the location with the highest nbandwidth 2009-02-25 10:34:34 codemonkey @ejk: ibhan really dropped the ball with bandwidth 2009-02-25 10:34:36 zoia codemonkey: have you checked the planet feed? http://lol.ianloic.com/feed/code4lib.org/planet/rss20.xml 2009-02-25 10:34:48 codemonkey yesterday night there was no internet at the room 2009-02-25 10:35:29 codemonkey @zoia: lemme chk it 2009-02-25 10:35:31 zoia codemonkey: How _do_ you buy a book over the Semantic Web? 2009-02-25 10:37:14 jtgorman hmm, ok, think I got some of this figured out 2009-02-25 10:37:20 jbrinley codemonkey: zoia responds to everything starting with @ 2009-02-25 10:37:20 jbrinley this is not twitter 2009-02-25 10:37:32 jtgorman to import into endnoteweb ebsco uses a callback url 2009-02-25 10:38:24 jtgorman it directs endnote web to a file via dataRequestUrl, and specifies a format by dataIdentifier=1 2009-02-25 10:38:41 jtgorman errr...dataIdentifier. 1 I'm guessing must be the endnote format 2009-02-25 10:38:56 jtgorman gah, BillDueber isn't on 2009-02-25 10:39:01 jtgorman jtgorman will have to send him an email later 2009-02-25 10:41:01 dbs jtgorman: please CC me on that email 2009-02-25 10:41:25 dbs jtgorman: oh wait, I couldn't care less about endnote, I only care about refworks :) 2009-02-25 10:42:32 jtgorman dbs: well, refworks isn't too bad 2009-02-25 10:43:07 dbs jtgorman: good to hear. Need to integrate support into Evergreen. 2009-02-25 10:43:23 jtgorman dbs: although I'm still waiting to hear back on if they can process raw MARC, not the weird MARC lite BillDueber had to do with the Michigan VuFind instance 2009-02-25 10:43:29 dbs Endnote's approach sounds really damned easy 2009-02-25 10:43:46 jtgorman dbs: http://www.refworks.com/DirectExport.htm 2009-02-25 10:43:49 fak3r are you like me, do you like lag? 2009-02-25 10:44:15 ecorrado 2 minute warningissued 2009-02-25 10:44:29 jtgorman dbs: getting Refworks to take it's format is probably pretty easy. BillDueber ended up basing his off some weird example though 2009-02-25 10:44:41 ejk no more coaches challenges 2009-02-25 10:44:42 MrDys back to back biblios? 2009-02-25 10:44:45 dbs jtgorman: god - I was never able to find that page, was only ever able to find the list of supported formats 2009-02-25 10:44:45 MrDys b to b b 2009-02-25 10:44:49 dbs jtgorman++ 2009-02-25 10:45:07 jtgorman dbs: http://mirlyn2-beta.lib.umich.edu/ 2009-02-25 10:45:39 jtgorman dbs: well, my fellow committee members and BillDueber both sent me that page ;) 2009-02-25 10:45:45 jtgorman dbs: but yeah, googling this stuff is crazy 2009-02-25 10:45:52 gsf gsf nominates ecorrado for worst name mangling award 2009-02-25 10:45:56 kgs royt did you get the speaker release q answered? 2009-02-25 10:45:59 gsf s/worst/best/ or whatevz 2009-02-25 10:46:30 dbs jtgorman: It's all those damned library instruction web pages telling people how to export to RefWorks from database a through Z 2009-02-25 10:46:31 royt kgs: still tracking it down (talked to Brown folks but the person who might know wasn't there), but we'll still have to have lightning talk folks do something 2009-02-25 10:46:39 akorphan creepy_nutrition_bars++ 2009-02-25 10:46:45 lbjay liza31337: sands is here! he just shaved his beard 2009-02-25 10:46:45 ecorrado gsf:that's not fair, I'm great at mangaling names 2009-02-25 10:46:46 anarchivist charper: ? 2009-02-25 10:46:55 jtgorman dbs: if you do wget -S -O myoutfile.txt http://www.refworks.com.proxy.lib.umich.edu/express/expressimport.asp?vendor=Univeristy+of+Michigan+Mirlyn2+Beta&filter=MARC+Format&database=All+MARC+Formats&encoding=65001&url=http%3A%2F%2Fmirlyn2-beta.lib.umich.edu/Record/004432441/Export%3Fstyle%3DREF that should work 2009-02-25 10:46:56 timmcgeary creepy_nutrition_bars+coke++ 2009-02-25 10:47:05 liza31337 Is that allowed prior to a tech conference? 2009-02-25 10:47:06 royt kgs: the thought is that the talk submission form had a button/field, but only Brown folks would know if anyone didn't give permission 2009-02-25 10:47:09 gsf ecorrado++ exactly what i meant 2009-02-25 10:47:19 jtgorman dbs: yeah, I wish they had named it something like Direct Export for Refworks Developer's documenttion or linked to it that way or something 2009-02-25 10:47:34 gsf lbjay: yeah i noticed the ferretlessness of sands -- didn't recognize him at first 2009-02-25 10:47:56 jtgorman dbs: errr. 2009-02-25 10:48:06 jtgorman dbs: actually, don't do wget on that 2009-02-25 10:48:12 kgs dchud++ # that was a good catch 2009-02-25 10:48:14 zoia New news from planetcode4lib: Bigwood, David: MARBI || Bigwood, David: Document Summarization using Wikipedia 2009-02-25 10:48:15 timmcgeary nice job, bess 2009-02-25 10:48:18 jtgorman dbs: that's the link BillDuber uses in his catalog 2009-02-25 10:48:22 jrochkind100 jtgorman: I've never been able to find that documentation. Did you just find it somewhere? Stick it the link the code4lib wiki or something. 2009-02-25 10:48:26 bess thanks, timmcgeary, you too. :) 2009-02-25 10:48:30 wickr reeset: is kim here? 2009-02-25 10:48:39 timmcgeary thanks 2009-02-25 10:48:39 dbs jrochkind100: I'll code4lib delicious it too 2009-02-25 10:48:43 dlovins data_silos-- 2009-02-25 10:48:49 royt ALL YOUR DATA BELONG TO US 2009-02-25 10:48:51 timmcgeary data_silos-- 2009-02-25 10:48:53 royt did i say that out loud? 2009-02-25 10:48:56 jtgorman dbs: wget -S -0 myalmostmarc.txt http://mirlyn2-beta.lib.umich.edu/Record/004432441/Export?style=REF 2009-02-25 10:48:56 charper anarchivist? 2009-02-25 10:49:00 jrochkind100 dbs++ 2009-02-25 10:49:05 atz lol royt 2009-02-25 10:49:08 rsinger royt: your 996 is showing 2009-02-25 10:49:08 ruest_ dbs++ 2009-02-25 10:49:10 timmcgeary lol royt 2009-02-25 10:49:11 jtgorman will give you an idea of the actual file used by the callback function to refworks 2009-02-25 10:49:12 anarchivist charper: pming you backchannel 2009-02-25 10:49:14 kgs royt and we even pay you to take them from us, too! 2009-02-25 10:49:16 timmcgeary rsinger++ 2009-02-25 10:49:28 bess how do you pronouce ‡ ? 2009-02-25 10:49:32 jrochkind100 in the public domain according to some, OCLC disagrees. 2009-02-25 10:49:35 JodiS timmcgeary: I'd like to talk more about the communication piece. Maybe we could chat offline later? 2009-02-25 10:49:35 JodiS anybody have a spare laptop to use as a timer? 2009-02-25 10:49:41 jtgorman jrochkind100: I'll do that in a bit.....been a while since I posted anything to the wiki... 2009-02-25 10:49:44 jrochkind100 bess: It's silent. 2009-02-25 10:49:45 royt kgs: no, you pay us to keep them around, improve them, and share them with others in a permanent, supported way ;-) 2009-02-25 10:49:48 rsinger "TckTckWookaWooka" 2009-02-25 10:49:49 lbjay bess: do you still have your tonsils? 2009-02-25 10:49:49 robcaSSon royt++ # for bringing a sense of humour to the borg 2009-02-25 10:49:51 JodiS Talis++ #for funding open data licensing 2009-02-25 10:49:51 jrochkind100 jrochkind100 is not a fan of putting weird punctuation in your names. 2009-02-25 10:49:53 timmcgeary JodiS: Absolutely 2009-02-25 10:49:56 jbrinley bess: it has kind of a schrmrllm sound 2009-02-25 10:49:57 jtgorman jrochkind100: or...are you on delicious? 2009-02-25 10:49:58 rsinger bess: i swear 2009-02-25 10:50:03 kgs bess I started a new tape at the beginning of this talk 2009-02-25 10:50:07 atz bess: pronounced silently.... the name of the character is "double dagger" though... pretty cool 2009-02-25 10:50:12 jrochkind100 jtgorman: yeah, jrochkind. 2009-02-25 10:50:23 timmcgeary JodiS: When is good for you? 2009-02-25 10:50:25 rsinger bess: from here on, you should only pronounce it "TckTckWookaWookaBiblios" 2009-02-25 10:50:32 jtgorman jrochkind100: do a search for the tags "refworks directexport" 2009-02-25 10:50:33 jwn ask Victor Borge how to pronounce it 2009-02-25 10:50:34 jrochkind100 There's a band in Baltimore called Double Dagger. I wonder if they're librarians, I should ask them. 2009-02-25 10:50:37 royt royt extracts the double-dagger from his heart 2009-02-25 10:50:45 MrDys jrochkind100: they're graphic designers. teach at MICA 2009-02-25 10:50:46 lbjay @ana TckTckWookaWookaBiblios 2009-02-25 10:50:48 jtgorman jrochkind100: and I just added developer 2009-02-25 10:50:48 zoia lbjay: Ciao! Twist OK OK OK blowback 2009-02-25 10:50:51 jrochkind100 jtgorman: I'm not going to remember that when I need it. 2009-02-25 10:50:54 kgs is that a double-dagger that I see before me? 2009-02-25 10:50:55 jtgorman jtgorman is jtgorman 2009-02-25 10:51:16 jtgorman jrochkind100: ok, I'll try to write up something on the code4lib wiki...want to actually get my own working first though 2009-02-25 10:51:17 rsinger @ana Ciao! Twist OK OK OK blowback 2009-02-25 10:51:19 zoia rsinger: OK wit cookbook as black wit 2009-02-25 10:51:28 akorphan akorphan reiterates his skepticism about social data generation. 2009-02-25 10:51:30 rsinger is this an 'open api'? 2009-02-25 10:51:34 jrochkind100 jtgorman: Nah, just delicious bookmark it with code4lib tag, good enough for me. 2009-02-25 10:51:42 timmcgeary JodiS: tim.mcgeary@lehigh.edu - feel free to email me or timmcgeary on Google/YahooIM 2009-02-25 10:51:48 jtgorman jrochkind100: well, if you bookmark that one now and then tag it refworks and just search that you probably should find it ;) 2009-02-25 10:51:52 jtgorman jtgorman will do so 2009-02-25 10:51:57 jrochkind100 biblios.net is my hero. 2009-02-25 10:52:22 jtgorman biblios.net++ 2009-02-25 10:52:28 ecorrado indexdata love 2009-02-25 10:52:29 jtgorman jrochkind100: done 2009-02-25 10:52:57 akorphan I have a theory that eventually every exotic animal will have a product named after it. 2009-02-25 10:52:58 steambadger APIs? Did he say APIs? 2009-02-25 10:53:03 atz rsinger: biblios code is open source, .net is the reference implementation w/ APIs 2009-02-25 10:53:16 jtgorman jtgorman will have to consider writing up a short journal article about this 2009-02-25 10:53:20 jrochkind100 Anyone sitting next to an OCLC manager? Are they fuming yet? 2009-02-25 10:53:24 jwn UnAPI != API? 2009-02-25 10:53:24 mjg_ rsinger: check yer gmail chat window thing. 2009-02-25 10:53:26 rsinger atz: i'm just referring to seb's earlier comment 2009-02-25 10:53:27 jbrinley akorphan: they don't already? I thought we had to reuse/invent exotic animals now 2009-02-25 10:53:44 LibraryThingT . 2009-02-25 10:53:49 robcaSSon jwn: correct 2009-02-25 10:53:49 ecorrado royt is biting his tounge 2009-02-25 10:53:52 akorphan jbrinley: That's why my product will be named "Snarkhoof" 2009-02-25 10:53:56 rsinger rsinger <- big ol a-wipe as usual 2009-02-25 10:53:56 fak3r enough with the data silos pictures, we get it! 2009-02-25 10:53:56 fak3r "get into the guts of the software itself..." 2009-02-25 10:54:09 jrochkind100 Well, it's confusing, but biblios.net is also a _database_, where biblios is a piece of software, a cataloging editor. 2009-02-25 10:54:09 jrochkind100 biblios.net is a database of library of metadata, which is all licensed open access. 2009-02-25 10:54:12 mbklein 996 ‡aBIBLIOSWRUP ‡iUse and transfer of this record is governed by the LibLime® Policy for Use and Transfer of biblios.net® Records 2009-02-25 10:54:21 atz rsinger: yeah, but seb's comment applied to "open APIs" on proprietary systems 2009-02-25 10:54:21 atz not open APIs on open source systems 2009-02-25 10:54:31 royt jrochkind100: why? go for it 2009-02-25 10:54:36 kgs who was commenting about the php.net documentation y'day? I can verify it's in Docbook, to answer a question that came up. 2009-02-25 10:54:37 MikeTaylor We need to start naming more products after dinosaurs. Especially sauropods. I am waiting for a Next-Gen OPAC called Futagnkosautrus. 2009-02-25 10:54:43 mjg_ @marc 996 2009-02-25 10:54:44 zoia mjg_: WorldCat Record Use Policy Link (R) -- Field 996 contains the link to the WorldCat Record Use Policy. Field 996 is system generated. [a,i,u] 2009-02-25 10:55:04 jrochkind100 what am I going for? 2009-02-25 10:55:06 LibraryThingT Oh dear, he probably doesn't know all the problems there has been. 2009-02-25 10:55:08 fak3r live_online_demo-- 2009-02-25 10:55:12 royt royt stencils a 996 on mjg_'s forehead 2009-02-25 10:55:17 robcaSSon this is pazpar2 really, correct? 2009-02-25 10:55:22 jbrinley OK++ 2009-02-25 10:55:26 royt oh, oops, i don't actually *want* mjg_ 2009-02-25 10:55:28 edsu oaut would be nice 2009-02-25 10:55:35 mjg_ royt: just turn those first two 6es upside down 2009-02-25 10:55:39 edsu oauth 2009-02-25 10:55:40 dbs biblios.net++ 2009-02-25 10:55:44 mbklein mbklein never understood why a public standard (MARC) has a vendor-specific field. But whatever. :) 2009-02-25 10:55:51 jwn only 200 laptops and the internet is slow :( 2009-02-25 10:55:54 lbjay i had this great idea for a lightning talk last night and now can't extract it from my golden monkey-soaked brain 2009-02-25 10:55:55 royt mjg_++ 2009-02-25 10:56:02 jrochkind100 robcaSSon: The interesting thing here is the cooperative metadata store, with open access licensed data, and APIs for reading and writing. 2009-02-25 10:56:14 royt lbjay: lightning talk on white lightning 2009-02-25 10:56:19 jfereira golden_monkey++ 2009-02-25 10:56:19 jrochkind100 He did not do a good job of explaining why this matters. 2009-02-25 10:56:24 dchud_ didn't britney spears write a song about that? 2009-02-25 10:56:28 robcaSSon jrochkind100: no question...very cool 2009-02-25 10:56:29 dbs mbklein: is @marc pulling from loc.gov or oclc's version of the standard? 2009-02-25 10:56:35 ecorrado no 996 field in that record 2009-02-25 10:56:41 fak3r live demo typing out commands - hey, sounds like something I could get behind 2009-02-25 10:56:50 jrochkind100 It doesn't matter to me whether it's implemented with pazpar2 or whatever, who cares. 2009-02-25 10:56:57 mjg_ lbjay: you can do a linked data follow-up w/ my notes: http://lackoftalent.org/michael/linkeddata.html 2009-02-25 10:56:58 lbjay i wanted to do a see you next year version of anarchivist intro 2009-02-25 10:57:02 LibraryThingT dbs: Which standard? 2009-02-25 10:57:07 jwn nice monochromatic colorizin of the XML 2009-02-25 10:57:13 akorphan So he's demoing user-editability of data, yesno? 2009-02-25 10:57:21 mbklein dbs: @dunno. :) 2009-02-25 10:57:24 abarrera biblios.net-- # for emailing passwords upon signup 2009-02-25 10:57:44 fak3r speakers_beard-- 2009-02-25 10:57:50 atz abarrera: it's standard drupal stuff 2009-02-25 10:57:51 rsinger what's up with no visible timekeeping? 2009-02-25 10:57:55 akorphan summary_sentences++ # thanks, speaker dude. 2009-02-25 10:58:11 lbjay mjg_: nice 2009-02-25 10:58:12 akorphan rsinger: I think they have time flashcards for certain intervals. 2009-02-25 10:58:29 rsinger akorphan: when i was speaking there was a countdown timer 2009-02-25 10:58:29 bess kados++ # that was awesome. 2009-02-25 10:58:32 LibraryThingT Do they eat UNIMARC? 2009-02-25 10:58:32 lbjay @mf mjg_ 2009-02-25 10:58:34 zoia Hey, mjg_... 2009-02-25 10:58:35 zoia .-. 2009-02-25 10:58:36 zoia |-| 2009-02-25 10:58:36 rsinger which was, pretty awesome 2009-02-25 10:58:37 zoia | | 2009-02-25 10:58:38 zoia _.-|=|-. 2009-02-25 10:58:39 zoia / | | | | 2009-02-25 10:58:40 zoia | |\ 2009-02-25 10:58:41 zoia | / 2009-02-25 10:58:42 zoia \ /` 2009-02-25 10:58:43 zoia | | 2009-02-25 10:58:43 rsinger lol 2009-02-25 10:58:51 jbrinley rsinger: ecorrado wanted to use the computer 2009-02-25 10:58:53 LibraryThingT SRU-- 2009-02-25 10:58:56 akorphan zia++ 2009-02-25 10:58:59 akorphan err, zoia++ 2009-02-25 10:58:59 rsinger jbrinley: so selfish 2009-02-25 10:59:07 BigD f the network 2009-02-25 10:59:08 JodiS network kinda flaky from where I'm sitting :( 2009-02-25 10:59:11 JodiS BigD++ 2009-02-25 10:59:17 dbs LibraryThingTim: MARC standard; looks like @marc plugin must pull from OCLC spec because http://www.loc.gov/marc/bibliographic/ecbdhome.html leaves the 9xx fields undocumented (as they are, indeed, for local use) 2009-02-25 10:59:20 abarrera lbjay++ 2009-02-25 10:59:31 dbs err, MARC21 standard :) 2009-02-25 10:59:32 rsinger sru... 2009-02-25 10:59:33 ecorrado coutdown timer starts at 4 or so minuytres 2009-02-25 10:59:34 Kerwick BigD: I think someone already did... 2009-02-25 10:59:41 akorphan You know what an awesome browser plugin would be? 2009-02-25 10:59:46 LibraryThingT dbs: Hmmm. 2009-02-25 10:59:46 mjg_ lbjay: stop hatin' on the linked data. 2009-02-25 10:59:46 BigD Kerwick++ 2009-02-25 10:59:46 gsf @herald add gsf ‡♡ ☠ 2009-02-25 10:59:47 zoia gsf: The operation succeeded. 2009-02-25 11:00:04 akorphan Something that gave you some kind of nice interface to easily edit key/value pairs in a query string from the location bar 2009-02-25 11:00:06 JodiS_ akorphan: no, what 2009-02-25 11:00:10 atz I like that he's using Bess' record... it's like that dude dunking over dwight howard in the slam dunk competition 2009-02-25 11:00:17 jrochkind100 OCLC guidelines/standards are a de facto standard for most of us. oclc.org/bibformats 2009-02-25 11:00:19 JodiS_ ooh, that would be nice! 2009-02-25 11:00:23 mjg_ @herald get mjgiarlo 2009-02-25 11:00:23 zoia mjg_: ☃﹢☼ ➾ ☠﹢☹﹢☵ 2009-02-25 11:00:24 edsu dbs pulls from loc docs on the web 2009-02-25 11:00:28 royt gsf gets coolest herald award 2009-02-25 11:01:05 LibraryThingT Someone should ask him if he's afraid of lawyers? 2009-02-25 11:01:08 jrochkind100 that was a hard to follow presentation, I'm afraid. 2009-02-25 11:01:11 edsu s/herald// 2009-02-25 11:01:11 royt royt squints at mjgiarlo's herald 2009-02-25 11:01:16 rsinger LibraryThingTim: you could 2009-02-25 11:01:18 timmcgeary lawyers-- 2009-02-25 11:01:30 gsf royt: not as cool as mjgiarlo 2009-02-25 11:01:33 lbjay lbjay agrees re: room 2009-02-25 11:01:35 LibraryThingT I was thinking of it. 2009-02-25 11:01:53 LibraryThingT The DMCA. 2009-02-25 11:01:55 mbklein dbs: It's not a live pull. There's a marcdoc.xml file in the plugin directory. I assume it's from OCLC. 2009-02-25 11:01:57 BigD mjg_ yer head needs bigger fonts so royt can see it 2009-02-25 11:02:07 rsinger LibraryThingTim: do it 2009-02-25 11:02:10 mjg_ royt: snowman + sun = death + sadness + water 2009-02-25 11:02:10 lbjay @rate microphones shouting 2009-02-25 11:02:15 zoia lbjay: microphones: 6.8; shouting: 8.9. shouting rocks! 2009-02-25 11:02:16 LibraryThingT Interesting: Does the DMCA cover such a thing? 2009-02-25 11:02:17 gsf version_history++ 2009-02-25 11:02:27 edsu mbklein: nope, it's something i created y scraping loc.gov 2009-02-25 11:02:39 edsu s/y/by/ 2009-02-25 11:02:46 jrochkind100 Well, yeah, the DMCA covers anything that you get a take down request for. 2009-02-25 11:02:49 dchud_ holy crap, my tests are passing 2009-02-25 11:02:50 LibraryThingT Oh, ouch. 2009-02-25 11:02:58 royt mjg_++ # for translating 2009-02-25 11:03:01 jrochkind100 You aren't legally required to comply with a takedown request, it just gives you a legal safe harbor if you do. 2009-02-25 11:03:10 mbklein Bring me zoia and the wookiee 2009-02-25 11:03:10 mbklein akorphan: You mean like the Poster plugin for Firefox? :) 2009-02-25 11:03:26 akorphan mbklein: ooh, i'll have to check that out. 2009-02-25 11:03:34 pmurray mjg++ # For translation, too -- I couldn't quite get the last symbol 2009-02-25 11:03:36 lbjay @ana Bring me zoia and the wookiee 2009-02-25 11:03:39 zoia lbjay: I am a wheezing, obedient or OK 2009-02-25 11:03:39 LibraryThingT DMCA covers license—rather than copyright—allegations? 2009-02-25 11:03:48 robcaSSon most questions yet? 2009-02-25 11:03:51 jrochkind100 If you don't think the person issueing the takedown has the right to do so, you can ignore them -- and it can be decided in court, at which point you can be liable for the entire time you had it up. 2009-02-25 11:03:56 rsinger LibraryThingTim: WHY AREN'T YOU ASKING?! 2009-02-25 11:04:00 edsu http://inkdroid.org/svn/marcdoc/trunk/ 2009-02-25 11:04:06 pmurray pmurray @quote add @ana Bring me zoia and the wookiee 2009-02-25 11:04:07 zoia pmurray: The operation succeeded. Quote #1742 added. 2009-02-25 11:04:11 dchud_ bring me the head of garcia, alfredo 2009-02-25 11:04:12 lbjay lbjay fears the rickroll 2009-02-25 11:04:23 gsf bummer about gmcharlt and the stomach sickness 2009-02-25 11:04:26 pmurray @rickcheck http://inkdroid.org/svn/marcdoc/trunk/ 2009-02-25 11:04:27 zoia pmurray: according to my sources at NASA, that was lost in DSpace 2009-02-25 11:04:30 rsinger bring me the head of garcia, andy 2009-02-25 11:04:33 JodiS_ lbjay++ 2009-02-25 11:04:46 LibraryThingT rsinger: You ask. I'm burned. 2009-02-25 11:04:47 gmcharlt gsf: you're telling me :( was looking forward to the conference 2009-02-25 11:04:48 akorphan DMCA-- 2009-02-25 11:04:50 dlovins National_Library_of_Sweden++ 2009-02-25 11:04:54 BigD national library of pirate bay 2009-02-25 11:05:01 jrochkind100 LibraryThingTim: Ah, no, not neccesarily. I was assuming that whoever was issuing the takedown to biblios.net would _claim_ it was a copyright allegation. 2009-02-25 11:05:01 jrochkind100 sweden++ # seems like a nice country. 2009-02-25 11:05:01 akorphan arrr! 2009-02-25 11:05:01 gsf kados++ way to step in 2009-02-25 11:05:01 gsf sweden++ 2009-02-25 11:05:02 JodiS_ National_Library_of_Sweden++ 2009-02-25 11:05:06 robcaSSon BigD++ 2009-02-25 11:05:12 edsu anders++ 2009-02-25 11:05:15 MikeTaylor Longest question-time allowance yet. 2009-02-25 11:05:17 JodiS_ anders++ 2009-02-25 11:05:23 lbjay @praise anders 2009-02-25 11:05:24 zoia anders++ 2009-02-25 11:05:25 anarchivist the only bad decision i've made at c4l09 so far was to anger the naragansetts 2009-02-25 11:05:36 dchud_ that's what he gets for finishing early! 2009-02-25 11:05:41 pmurray Someone sent biblios.net a DMCA take-down notice? 2009-02-25 11:05:42 akorphan YET 2009-02-25 11:05:48 mjg_ pmurray: last symbol = Korean, IIRC 2009-02-25 11:06:01 pmurray pmurray wishes even more that he was in Providence 2009-02-25 11:06:10 jrochkind100 NO, THERE ARE NO BUGGY PRORGRAMS. 2009-02-25 11:06:10 jrochkind100 Dude, we know better than anyone that there are buggy programs. 2009-02-25 11:06:21 lbjay bong! 2009-02-25 11:06:29 rsinger LibraryThingTim-- 2009-02-25 11:06:36 jrochkind100 good questions, audience++ 2009-02-25 11:06:37 akorphan akorphan predicts a future of metadata spam once Linked Data penetrates the commercial market 2009-02-25 11:06:38 pmurray pmurray goes back to writing inter-office memos 2009-02-25 11:06:42 bess kados is my hero 2009-02-25 11:06:44 atz kados++ 2009-02-25 11:06:46 timmcgeary audience_questions_++ 2009-02-25 11:06:50 ejk my code is *perfect* 2009-02-25 11:07:00 jrochkind100 akorphan: absolutely. 2009-02-25 11:07:01 LibraryThingT Isn't OCLC spamming the 996 field? 2009-02-25 11:07:01 LibraryThingT Go Chris: 2009-02-25 11:07:01 LibraryThingT (pouts) 2009-02-25 11:07:05 MrDys back-to-back bibliossssssssssssssssss 2009-02-25 11:07:07 BigD pmurray: i expect your TPS Report by noon 2009-02-25 11:07:16 MikeTaylor akorphan, your horribly credible prediction has ruined my day. 2009-02-25 11:07:16 jrochkind100 I guess spam is in the eye of the beholder. 2009-02-25 11:07:37 royt my code *sucks* 2009-02-25 11:07:40 JodiS_ metadata_spam-- 2009-02-25 11:07:43 JodiS_ but inevitable 2009-02-25 11:07:45 robcaSSon @hosts2010 2009-02-25 11:07:45 lbjay ooh, couch 2009-02-25 11:07:46 zoia robcaSSon: Asheville, NC [227]; Austin, TX [220]; Madison, WI [180]; Columbus, OH [129]; Bloomington, IN [106] 2009-02-25 11:07:53 rsinger rsinger <- human bug generator 2009-02-25 11:07:54 fak3r I'm outlagged today, can't post more than once every few mins it seems 2009-02-25 11:08:10 gsf @quote add Better to have linked and lost than never to have linked at all? NO! 2009-02-25 11:08:11 zoia gsf: The operation succeeded. Quote #1743 added. 2009-02-25 11:08:12 jrochkind100 jrochkind100 <- bug human generator 2009-02-25 11:08:18 akorphan MikeTaylor: I'll buy you a drink. 2009-02-25 11:08:40 dchud_ gsf: marcjson is failing test that checks field ordering now :( 2009-02-25 11:08:41 abarrera mjgiarlo generates bugs from his neck beard 2009-02-25 11:09:03 mjg_ mjg_-- # it took me three fucking e-mails to get the host voting info right. :) 2009-02-25 11:09:04 zoia <- Generator of human bugs 2009-02-25 11:09:06 Kerwick My code is like sausage - it's pretty good but you really don't want to see it made... 2009-02-25 11:09:12 akorphan too_fast_slides-- 2009-02-25 11:09:12 rsinger what's with the xml-aversion? 2009-02-25 11:09:17 ecorrado @hosts2010 2009-02-25 11:09:18 LibraryThingT Why would you want to modify Biblios with JS plugins—just change the underlying ?Perl. No? 2009-02-25 11:09:19 zoia ecorrado: Asheville, NC [227]; Austin, TX [220]; Madison, WI [180]; Columbus, OH [129]; Bloomington, IN [106] 2009-02-25 11:09:28 ecorrado austin is closing in 2009-02-25 11:09:34 dchud_ rsinger: IT BURNS THE EYES 2009-02-25 11:09:48 akorphan LibraryThingTim: I think it offers a lower bar for entry 2009-02-25 11:09:49 rsinger dchud_: put your goggles back on 2009-02-25 11:09:57 timmcgeary are there host lightning talks planned for later? 2009-02-25 11:09:57 royt rsinger: the aversion is to displaying XML in small, unreadable font sizes 2009-02-25 11:09:58 lbjay green_highlighting-- # although, i'd buy a sweater that color for sure 2009-02-25 11:10:00 royt Austin begins to close the gap 2009-02-25 11:10:08 mjg_ kados++ # good talk 2009-02-25 11:10:09 dchud_ rsinger: the goggles they do oh nevermind 2009-02-25 11:10:11 edsu didn't realize biblios client used google gears 2009-02-25 11:10:12 gsf xml_config_files-- 2009-02-25 11:10:22 pmurray royt: Columbus, too -- we're up 20 votes so far today! 2009-02-25 11:10:37 ecorrado columbus++ 2009-02-25 11:10:37 ejk any thoughts if asheville or austin would have better bandwidth? Asheville is Hotel, Austin is conf center, right? 2009-02-25 11:10:38 JodiS_ LibraryThingTim: I will learn javascript WELL before I learn Perl 2009-02-25 11:10:39 pmurray (Only 98 left to go...) 2009-02-25 11:10:53 MikeTaylor YAML-config-files++ 2009-02-25 11:10:57 ecorrado bandwidth++ 2009-02-25 11:10:59 edsu wifi-- 2009-02-25 11:11:02 wickr ejk: no way to know at this point 2009-02-25 11:11:04 akorphan jquery++ # for making javascript bearable. 2009-02-25 11:11:05 jbrinley royt: any comments on wifi in columbus? 2009-02-25 11:11:07 bjy Madison is university :P 2009-02-25 11:11:07 gsf dchud_: edsu knows more about that test, but i'll look at it with you 2009-02-25 11:11:15 edsu convention_over_configuration++ 2009-02-25 11:11:23 dchud_ gsf: lemme see if i can post my branch locally 2009-02-25 11:11:27 wickr ejk: it was supposed to be really good here, they really pushed for it, not sure what happeneed 2009-02-25 11:11:29 LibraryThingT Can we get XML tags to move around like cats? 2009-02-25 11:11:35 rjw this guy talks faster than rsinger: 2009-02-25 11:11:42 dchud_ gsf: basically i wrote the same test that the xml does, checking that all the fields match in order 2009-02-25 11:11:46 royt jbrinley: sorry, i really can't say, I don't know what the exact situation would be 2009-02-25 11:11:48 lbjay i've had luck with the wifi by disconnecting and reconnecting to the network 2009-02-25 11:11:50 LibraryThingT akorphan: I dunno. JS is harder to debug, I think. You never know what'll happen on Opera or whatever. 2009-02-25 11:11:50 LibraryThingT JodiS_: Good point. 2009-02-25 11:11:51 LibraryThingT future sense is a problem 2009-02-25 11:11:52 gsf bandwidth is all that matters 2009-02-25 11:11:58 rsinger dead_air-- 2009-02-25 11:12:00 jtgorman jtgorman really doesn't want to have to convert his files to endnote/refworks formats... 2009-02-25 11:12:03 lbjay <-- captain cargo cult 2009-02-25 11:12:07 mjg_ timmcgeary: not that I've seen. last year they were kind of counter-productive. ;) 2009-02-25 11:12:07 edsu dchud: your bzr repo online? 2009-02-25 11:12:09 mbklein lbjay: I've had luck with that too. 3 times now. :D 2009-02-25 11:12:17 akorphan opera users deserve what they get. 2009-02-25 11:12:18 royt small_screenshots-- 2009-02-25 11:12:20 dchud_ BillDueber: i might need to move this {}-y json container for marc fields into a [] 2009-02-25 11:12:24 JodiS_ lbjay: disconnect/reconnect was what worked for me too 2009-02-25 11:12:28 dchud_ edsu: lemme try hold on 2009-02-25 11:12:29 timmcgeary mjg_: at least for one host... ;) 2009-02-25 11:12:38 decasm_nomad opera++ 2009-02-25 11:12:42 BillDueber dchud_: Make it so. 2009-02-25 11:12:46 LibraryThingT Acres. 2009-02-25 11:12:54 ejk 1) powerstrips 2) bndwidth 3) beer? 2009-02-25 11:12:59 MikeTaylor "XML is a giant step in no direction at all" -- Erik Naggum. 2009-02-25 11:13:02 2009-02-25 11:13:07 royt 4) profit! 2009-02-25 11:13:09 lbjay saw != could read 2009-02-25 11:13:09 akorphan seriously, though, I'm amazed that no browser can manage to meet the xhtml spec properly. 2009-02-25 11:13:11 JodiS_ Pretty please, can somebody find a timer besides ecorrado's laptop? 2009-02-25 11:13:12 LibraryThingT Hills. I want hills. 2009-02-25 11:13:33 bjy Sheep. I want sheep. 2009-02-25 11:13:36 timmcgeary @rate beer bandwidth 2009-02-25 11:13:37 ecorrado JodiS_: when you go up I'll look over royt shoulder 2009-02-25 11:13:40 zoia timmcgeary: beer: 8.5; bandwidth: 5.3. beer rocks! 2009-02-25 11:13:48 MikeTaylor ejk: 4) ??? 5) profit. 2009-02-25 11:13:53 akorphan @help rate 2009-02-25 11:13:54 zoia akorphan: (rate ...) -- Rates terms according to the criteria at http://www.sucks-rocks.com/ 2009-02-25 11:13:57 jbrinley I think Madison has sheep on hills 2009-02-25 11:14:02 rsinger @canuck I would like to try out the CouchDB Project from the Apache Foundation 2009-02-25 11:14:03 zoia rsinger: I would like to try oat the CoachDB Project from the Apawchee Foundation, eh? 2009-02-25 11:14:15 MikeTaylor @rate xml yaml 2009-02-25 11:14:15 JodiS_ ecorrado: it's a general need. the last 3 speakers have asked what time it is/how much is left. keynote, too. 2009-02-25 11:14:18 zoia MikeTaylor: xml: 3.2; yaml: 7.9. xml sucks! yaml rocks! 2009-02-25 11:14:20 jbrinley Bloomington has horses on hills 2009-02-25 11:14:23 ecorrado jbrinley: i don't know about sheep, but they have cows 2009-02-25 11:14:26 bjy jbrinley and cows 2009-02-25 11:14:29 mjg_ Austin's got mezcal which if nothing else will make you see hills. And skeletons and shit. 2009-02-25 11:14:37 pmurray @rate Columbus Austin Asheville Madison Indiana 2009-02-25 11:14:38 LibraryThingT I'm a tad lost... 2009-02-25 11:14:40 liza31337 RDBMS-- 2009-02-25 11:14:44 zoia pmurray: Columbus: 9.2; Austin: 9.0; Asheville: 9.5; Madison: 7.1; Indiana: 7.6. Asheville rocks! 2009-02-25 11:14:48 jbrinley everyone has cows 2009-02-25 11:14:56 akorphan Well there you go. 2009-02-25 11:14:59 JodiS_ JodiS_ read LibraryThing Tim as zoia's response to pmurray :) 2009-02-25 11:15:02 mbklein edsu++ Now that zoia's in the attendees list, all anyone needs to do to get linked now is make themselves @known. No more asking the crowd and waiting. (Moot now, but cool anyway.) 2009-02-25 11:15:15 dchud_ hey if i turn on web sharing on my new osx box where do i put a folder to make it visible via apache under my ~dchud path? 2009-02-25 11:15:33 mjg_ mbklein: wow, neat, that is cool 2009-02-25 11:15:34 LibraryThingT Anyone else used CouchDB? 2009-02-25 11:15:35 jbrinley mbklein++ edsu++ 2009-02-25 11:15:45 akorphan I wonder if we could get zoia to spider the @known files and @know whoever's found. 2009-02-25 11:15:52 mbklein dchud_: /Users/dchud/Sites 2009-02-25 11:15:57 lbjay lbjay used it for a toy project 2009-02-25 11:15:59 dchud_ LibraryThingTim: i've been experimenting with it but haven't built anything substantial with it yet 2009-02-25 11:16:05 dchud_ mbklein: todah 2009-02-25 11:16:09 robcaSSon LibraryThingTim: several of us have experimented a bit...yeah. 2009-02-25 11:16:11 atz @help known 2009-02-25 11:16:12 zoia atz: (known []) -- Returns the URI associated with the given nick. Defaults to the calling user. If no nick given, returns a list of nicks which have an associated URI. 2009-02-25 11:16:14 gsf totally cool, but i could use an online tutorial version of this talk 2009-02-25 11:16:15 jbrinley mbklein, edsu: why wasn't zoia showing up earlier? 2009-02-25 11:16:23 atz @known 2009-02-25 11:16:25 LibraryThingT It's like an OS bigtable? Never mind, I'll read the Wikipedia page :) 2009-02-25 11:16:25 zoia zoia atz: I know URIs for the following users: Baroquem, BigD, BillDueber, JodiS, MrDys, abarrera, akorphan, anarchivist, asnagy, atz, bess, cazzerson, cbeer, charper, dlovins, ecorrado, ejk, escowles, fak3r, flighty, gsf, jphipps, jstroop, kgs, ksclarke, lbjay, liza31337, mbklein, mjg_, pmurray, ranti, robcaSSon, rsinger, scolford, smkiewel, tomkeays, wickr, wtd, zoia 2009-02-25 11:16:39 charper mbklein++ edsu++ foaf++ 2009-02-25 11:16:40 mbklein jbrinley: The crawl stopped running Monday night, according to the log. 2009-02-25 11:16:43 gsf jbrinley: when? 2009-02-25 11:16:44 mjg_ gsf++ # yeah, kinda impossible to see any of these slides. 2009-02-25 11:16:46 lbjay gsf: me too 2009-02-25 11:16:59 anarchivist @quote random 2009-02-25 11:16:59 zoia anarchivist: Quote #1472: "< MrDys> oh look, another delusional job posting from Michigan" (added by anarchivist at 01:42 PM, August 04, 2008) 2009-02-25 11:17:01 jrochkind100 gsf: Ask him to write one for C4L Journal, we'd probably publish it (whether text, or audio/video, or a combination). 2009-02-25 11:17:02 dlovins edsu++ #thanks for getting my FOAF back on the list (though its the older version) :-) 2009-02-25 11:17:03 royt @know royt roytennant.com/foaf.rdf#me 2009-02-25 11:17:04 zoia royt: Error: 'roytennant.com/foaf.rdf#me' is not a valid url. 2009-02-25 11:17:04 jbrinley oh, that would explain it 2009-02-25 11:17:08 atz the description for @ known is wrong... it doesn't default to calling user 2009-02-25 11:17:09 charper zoia++ 2009-02-25 11:17:11 royt @know royt http://roytennant.com/foaf.rdf#me 2009-02-25 11:17:11 dchud_ gsf, edsu: http://10.7.55.99/~dchud/bzr/pymarc-dchud/ 2009-02-25 11:17:12 zoia royt: royt's URI is now 2009-02-25 11:17:26 edsu mbklein: awesome, someone noticed the crawler stopped running, was it mbklein? 2009-02-25 11:17:31 timmcgeary @hosts 2009-02-25 11:17:32 akorphan akorphan finds the overviews for a lot of these tools interesting, but the implementation details tend to be lost on him if he's not familiar with the tool to begin with. 2009-02-25 11:17:32 zoia timmcgeary: the opac is down right now, try amazon 2009-02-25 11:17:35 anarchivist edsu: yeah 2009-02-25 11:17:36 royt @known 2009-02-25 11:17:37 zoia zoia royt: I know URIs for the following users: Baroquem, BigD, BillDueber, JodiS, MrDys, abarrera, akorphan, anarchivist, asnagy, atz, bess, cazzerson, cbeer, charper, dlovins, ecorrado, ejk, escowles, fak3r, flighty, gsf, jphipps, jstroop, kgs, ksclarke, lbjay, liza31337, mbklein, mjg_, pmurray, ranti, robcaSSon, royt, rsinger, scolford, smkiewel, tomkeays, wickr, wtd, zoia 2009-02-25 11:17:52 pmurray @hosts2010 2009-02-25 11:17:53 gsf ccatalfo: c4ljournal wants you to fill in for all the slacker mornos who flaked 2009-02-25 11:17:54 zoia pmurray: Asheville, NC [232]; Austin, TX [226]; Madison, WI [185]; Columbus, OH [134]; Bloomington, IN [109] 2009-02-25 11:17:57 atz edsu: i noticed too since I'm still not showing up on the page 2009-02-25 11:17:58 lbjay edsu: i noticed yest 2009-02-25 11:18:05 rsinger @hosts2011 2009-02-25 11:18:06 zoia rsinger: Bald Head, Maine [91]; Cold Foot, Alaska [79]; Boring, Maryland [78]; ['Romance, Arkansas'] [78]; Yeehaw Junction, Florida [72]; ['Fearnot, Pennsylvania'] [70]; Jupiter, Florida [50]; Gun Barrel City, Texas [25] 2009-02-25 11:18:06 anarchivist dchud_: can't reach it 2009-02-25 11:18:06 edsu edsu pulls 2009-02-25 11:18:11 edsu lbjay++ 2009-02-25 11:18:12 pmurray @rate NC TX WI OH IN 2009-02-25 11:18:19 dchud_ anarchivist: try again now 2009-02-25 11:18:21 akorphan edsu: I don't show up but I'm not sure if it's because of the crawl or because of cazzerson's broken foaf 2009-02-25 11:18:21 zoia New news from planetcode4lib: del.icio.us: Direct Export into RefWorks from Database Service || Matienzo, Mark: Make Me A Structured Vocabulary Or I’ll Make One For You 2009-02-25 11:18:22 zoia pmurray: NC: 9.0; TX: 9.8; WI: 9.0; OH: 7.4; IN: 9.7. TX rocks! 2009-02-25 11:18:28 gsf dchud_: not sure we can get to each other on any port on this crap network 2009-02-25 11:18:37 timmcgeary @hosts2010 2009-02-25 11:18:38 zoia timmcgeary: Asheville, NC [235]; Austin, TX [228]; Madison, WI [187]; Columbus, OH [135]; Bloomington, IN [112] 2009-02-25 11:18:40 pmurray @rate Columbus Columbus Columbus Columbus Columbus 2009-02-25 11:18:41 zoia pmurray: Columbus: 9.2; Columbus: 9.2; Columbus: 9.2; Columbus: 9.2; Columbus: 9.2. Columbus rocks! 2009-02-25 11:18:43 LibraryThingT Does anyone want to use ‡Biblios on its own, separate from ‡Biblios.net? 2009-02-25 11:18:53 mbklein edsu: Yeah, that was me. 2009-02-25 11:18:53 mbklein akorphan: Only if the FOAF file contains a Freenode chat ID to use as a nick 2009-02-25 11:18:53 mbklein @known akorphan 2009-02-25 11:18:54 zoia mbklein: akorphan's URI is 2009-02-25 11:19:01 dchud_ can you see http://dchud-mba.local/~dchud/bzr/pymarc-dchud/ ? 2009-02-25 11:19:03 miker_ go asheville, go! 2009-02-25 11:19:12 tomkeays @known 2009-02-25 11:19:12 zoia zoia tomkeays: I know URIs for the following users: Baroquem, BigD, BillDueber, JodiS, MrDys, abarrera, akorphan, anarchivist, asnagy, atz, bess, cazzerson, cbeer, charper, dlovins, ecorrado, ejk, escowles, fak3r, flighty, gsf, jphipps, jstroop, kgs, ksclarke, lbjay, liza31337, mbklein, mjg_, pmurray, ranti, robcaSSon, royt, rsinger, scolford, smkiewel, tomkeays, wickr, wtd, zoia 2009-02-25 11:19:14 mbklein @foaf akorphan interest 2009-02-25 11:19:15 zoia mbklein: akorphan : 2009-02-25 11:19:18 dlovins @known dlovins 2009-02-25 11:19:19 zoia dlovins: dlovins's URI is 2009-02-25 11:19:24 abarrera mjgiarlo-- # for spamming my email about this hosts voting crap 2009-02-25 11:19:26 anarchivist dchud_: nein 2009-02-25 11:19:26 gsf next year i'll bring some routers and we'll just do everything on our own intranet 2009-02-25 11:19:39 dchud_ my own private lan 2009-02-25 11:19:39 timmcgeary gsf++ 2009-02-25 11:19:47 akorphan akorphan has no interests. 2009-02-25 11:19:48 gsf lanaho? 2009-02-25 11:19:49 BigD flakynet-- 2009-02-25 11:19:50 atz gsf: i brought a 16 port switch and 250 ft. of cables 2009-02-25 11:19:52 rosy1280 JodiS++ 2009-02-25 11:19:55 dchud_ i've been looking forward to this one! 2009-02-25 11:20:02 atz LAN_party++ 2009-02-25 11:20:02 mjg_ kgs++ 2009-02-25 11:20:04 edsu dchud: yeah, can't see 2009-02-25 11:20:06 gsf atz: ok then! 2009-02-25 11:20:09 anarchivist kgs: you're so demanding 2009-02-25 11:20:14 rsinger @whatis Raymond Carver 2009-02-25 11:20:18 mjg_ JodiS++ wtd++ # keep on rockin' in the FRBR world 2009-02-25 11:20:19 edsu dchud: was encouraging wtd to do a one big library breakout today 2009-02-25 11:20:19 anarchivist kgs: truffles, face spritz, and now changing tapes 2009-02-25 11:20:21 timmcgeary tape_swap-- 2009-02-25 11:20:22 LibraryThingT kgs = monster! 2009-02-25 11:20:24 zoia rsinger: deathdate: 1988-08-02; period: 1958–1988; imagesize: 175px; occupation: Writer; label: Raymond Carver; forProperty: the darts player; forProperty: Ray Carver (darts player); comment: Raymond Clevie Carver, Jr. (May 25, 1938 – August 2, 1988) was an American short story writer and poet. Carver is considered a major American writer of the late 20th century and also a (1 more message) 2009-02-25 11:20:25 akorphan 60_min_DVC-- 2009-02-25 11:20:26 gsf c4l don't need no stinking internets 2009-02-25 11:20:27 miker_ quickdraw mcjodi 2009-02-25 11:20:32 dchud_ edsu: yeah i saw something about that in the scrollback 2009-02-25 11:20:35 pmurray gsf: PyCon Wireless Network - http://www.tummy.com/Community/Articles/pycon2007-network/ 2009-02-25 11:20:39 rosy1280 miker_++ 2009-02-25 11:20:50 mbklein How processor and memory efficient is the sleepycat store for rdflib? I'm thinking I might want to keep the whole graph cached, but I don't want to bring zoia or gsf's server to a crawl. 2009-02-25 11:20:51 dchud_ maybe we should do it in the bar 2009-02-25 11:20:52 kgs whew, these young'uns move faster than i do 2009-02-25 11:21:01 anarchivist furbies++ 2009-02-25 11:21:11 codemonkey link broken - http://code4lib.org/conference/2009/frbr.pdf 2009-02-25 11:21:11 gsf dchud_: yeah, no luck at either url 2009-02-25 11:21:15 dchud_ LCCN PERMALINK REPRESENT 2009-02-25 11:21:17 akorphan "Where you from, Nash?" "Lots of different places." 2009-02-25 11:21:32 bess how do I upload my slides to the wiki? Where do I upload the PDF? 2009-02-25 11:21:47 dchud_ gsf, anarchivist: phooey 2009-02-25 11:21:54 dchud_ anarchivist: got a thumb drive? 2009-02-25 11:21:56 atz i like the big "Weak" 2009-02-25 11:22:08 LibraryThingT dumas++ 2009-02-25 11:22:11 gsf gsf still wants to see "frenemy" in the relationship vocab 2009-02-25 11:22:18 dchud_ wtd has my favorite voice ever 2009-02-25 11:22:26 gsf because i hate that word 2009-02-25 11:22:29 jbrinley mbklein: I think the next step is to set up a web service, and just let zoia query it rather than thinking through everything herself 2009-02-25 11:22:33 charper wtd++ 2009-02-25 11:22:43 dchud_ gsf: how would that relate to frenefro? 2009-02-25 11:23:13 rsinger the fro of the enemy of my enemy is my hairstylist 2009-02-25 11:23:14 mjg_ wtd is good, but I have heard dbs described as having "the most beautiful man-voice." 2009-02-25 11:23:15 LibraryThingT gsf: Awesome. Suggest one that would work for. 2009-02-25 11:23:15 BigD frenemyoaf 2009-02-25 11:23:15 jbrinley mbklein: I think the next step is to set up a web service, and just let zoia query it rather than thinking through everything herself 2009-02-25 11:23:15 LibraryThingT Is "fuckfriend" a possible FRBR relationship? 2009-02-25 11:23:17 kgs concur on wtd's voice 2009-02-25 11:23:21 kgs luv frbr 2009-02-25 11:23:36 kgs LibraryThingTim-- 2009-02-25 11:23:39 anarchivist foafwb 2009-02-25 11:23:39 dchud_ Kim Stanley Robinson is a particularly nice guy 2009-02-25 11:23:44 BigD LibraryThingTim: not without a really nice dinner 2009-02-25 11:23:45 LibraryThingT kgs++ 2009-02-25 11:23:54 jbrinley mbklein: maybe set something up on google app engine (could be a way for me to learn how to use that) 2009-02-25 11:23:56 dchud_ dbs's voice is definitely sexy 2009-02-25 11:24:14 steambadger foafwb++ 2009-02-25 11:24:17 mjg_ dbs could do action movie commercials 2009-02-25 11:24:19 kgs dbs could do radio 2009-02-25 11:24:21 bess dbs's_voice++ 2009-02-25 11:24:25 pmurray LibraryThingTim: And never on a first date. 2009-02-25 11:24:29 dchud_ gsf, edsu: reduced to usb stick sharing. works, though 2009-02-25 11:24:37 mjg_ "IN A WORLD GONE MAD, FROSTBACK OPAC IS AN ISLAND OF SANITY." 2009-02-25 11:24:47 timmcgeary we need a code4lib voice over 2009-02-25 11:24:48 LibraryThingT What never? (No never!) What never? 2009-02-25 11:24:55 akorphan Well, hardly ever. 2009-02-25 11:24:59 BillDueber jrochkind100++, apparently 2009-02-25 11:25:02 LibraryThingT akorphan++ 2009-02-25 11:25:05 rsinger fro-out to the jrock! 2009-02-25 11:25:07 dchud_ mjg_++ 2009-02-25 11:25:10 dlovins jrochkind++ 2009-02-25 11:25:13 BigD THIS is c4l - Darth Vader 2009-02-25 11:25:14 anarchivist foafro++ 2009-02-25 11:25:50 anarchivist sneakernet++ 2009-02-25 11:25:51 kgs love the first-sentence feature (that's also a feature in Poets & Writers magazine) 2009-02-25 11:26:02 LibraryThingT Well, ISTC. 2009-02-25 11:26:08 timmcgeary "FRBR - Not your mother's four-letter-acronym" 2009-02-25 11:26:11 mbklein mjg_: "In a world...Where a-paw-tchee servers run wild..." 2009-02-25 11:26:22 gsf be nice if somebody from openlibrary.org were here this year 2009-02-25 11:26:24 kgs strong_frbrization++ 2009-02-25 11:26:29 gsf guess we have to go to them :) 2009-02-25 11:26:47 rsinger serials-- 2009-02-25 11:26:47 dchud_ these two win the "best voices" award 2009-02-25 11:26:47 LibraryThingT Wait a second, LibraryThing has work id numbers. (sulk) 2009-02-25 11:26:48 jbrinley @ana strong frbrization 2009-02-25 11:26:48 abarrera BigD once slept with a FRBR 2009-02-25 11:26:49 zoia jbrinley: First razing to born 2009-02-25 11:27:05 BigD abarrera: it was weak 2009-02-25 11:27:06 akorphan Translate_slovenian("FRBR") = "FZBZ" 2009-02-25 11:27:06 LibraryThingT It can never be strong, though. These concepts MUST be fluid. 2009-02-25 11:27:21 atz i think they sound better after chris c.'s very mild presentation style 2009-02-25 11:27:37 kgs to be strong is not to be rigid 2009-02-25 11:27:40 abarrera abarrera-- 2009-02-25 11:27:45 dchud_ did Nate write those? are you in here, Nate? 2009-02-25 11:28:16 edsu i see nate in the room, but not sure about irc 2009-02-25 11:28:17 LibraryThingT What does that use, the OCLC algorithm? 2009-02-25 11:28:17 LibraryThingT Erasmus++ 2009-02-25 11:28:17 jbrinley @quote add to be strong is not to be rigid 2009-02-25 11:28:19 zoia jbrinley: The operation succeeded. Quote #1744 added. 2009-02-25 11:28:19 jrochkind100 They present well, yeah. 2009-02-25 11:28:27 kgs hah! LTT beat me to it 2009-02-25 11:28:48 anarchivist http://www.museumssuck.com/ 2009-02-25 11:28:58 kgs JodiS++ # for not using edge cases 2009-02-25 11:29:00 gsf gmail_basic_html_view++ nice for this network 2009-02-25 11:29:00 dchud_ we should do a code4lib version of hamlet 2009-02-25 11:29:05 jwn FRBR should use longer words to describe the different layers 2009-02-25 11:29:17 lbjay @reload Assorted 2009-02-25 11:29:18 zoia lbjay: The operation succeeded. 2009-02-25 11:29:26 jrochkind100 Oh, I hope they mention the set-algebra based conceptualization. So much clearer. 2009-02-25 11:29:38 royt alas! Poor mjgiarlo, I knew him well 2009-02-25 11:29:39 akorphan jwn: Wooooooorrrrrrk.... 2009-02-25 11:29:44 dchud_ we can't catalog like this without big multitouch UIs 2009-02-25 11:29:50 lbjay @inaworld you can be friend's with a friend's fro 2009-02-25 11:29:50 zoia In a world... where you can be friend's with a friend's fro 2009-02-25 11:29:53 kgs dchud_ maybe we could go a level higher and do generic Shakespeare tragedy, c4l-style 2009-02-25 11:29:54 anarchivist dchud_: that's what josh greenberg thinks 2009-02-25 11:30:09 BigD he was a man of infinite jest, and bad facial hair 2009-02-25 11:30:12 rsinger lbjay++ 2009-02-25 11:30:13 LibraryThingT Praise of Folly is a good example of a problem—he revised it a bunch. 2009-02-25 11:30:17 dchud_ kgs: are you ... wait, do you mean ... OBJECT-ORIENTED SHAKESPEARE MODELING? 2009-02-25 11:30:19 rosy1280 VTLS does something right? 2009-02-25 11:30:27 rosy1280 VTLS does something right? 2009-02-25 11:30:27 mbklein lbjay++ 2009-02-25 11:30:31 jrochkind100 VTLS does FRBR right, yeah. 2009-02-25 11:30:32 gsf dchud_: tom-cruise-minority-report-style cataloging 2009-02-25 11:30:35 mbklein @inaworld [quote] 2009-02-25 11:30:35 kgs dchud_ does that have something to do with speaker permission forms? 2009-02-25 11:30:35 dchud_ lbjay++ 2009-02-25 11:30:36 zoia In a world... where http://www.zedshaw.com/images/sidebar.png 2009-02-25 11:30:38 jrochkind100 Won't save them though. 2009-02-25 11:30:47 anarchivist gsf, dchud_ : csi miami style cataloging 2009-02-25 11:30:48 mbklein @inaworld [quote random] 2009-02-25 11:30:49 zoia In a world... where Quote #301: "* ksclark1 wonders why amish monkeys" (added by dchud at 05:47 PM, May 12, 2006) 2009-02-25 11:30:51 rsinger @whatis Don LaFontaine 2009-02-25 11:30:53 zoia rsinger: ' name: Don LaFontaine; id: 1273; id: 156530; id: 480963; youtubeProperty: Five Guys In a Limo (Short film with Don LaFontaine); youtubeProperty: 7QPMvj_xejg; youtubeProperty: Don LaFontaine: The Voice; youtubeProperty: JQRtuxdfQHw; dateOfDeath: 2008-09-01; comment: Donald LaFontaine (August 26, 1940 – September 1, 2008) was an American voiceover artist famous for (3 more messages) 2009-02-25 11:30:55 anarchivist oh wait, that's not cataloging, that's metadata 2009-02-25 11:30:58 timmcgeary who do I send my presentation slides to for the c4l conference site? 2009-02-25 11:30:59 akorphan Is there a really good reason for Group 2 not to be a subset of Group 3? 2009-02-25 11:31:01 lbjay @inaworld [zen] 2009-02-25 11:31:03 dchud_ cataloging by analyzing blood splatters under blacklights 2009-02-25 11:31:03 zoia In a world... where I'd like to offer something to help you but in the zen school we don't have a single thing! 2009-02-25 11:31:06 rjw frbr_in_a_box++ 2009-02-25 11:31:12 jbrinley timmcgeary: royt 2009-02-25 11:31:13 kgs hey be nice. VTLS UG invited me to speak to their group. (true) 2009-02-25 11:31:30 anarchivist anarchivist puts his group 2 entity in a box 2009-02-25 11:31:30 bess jbrinley: we just send him the slides by email? 2009-02-25 11:31:31 LibraryThingT It will never fit together. 2009-02-25 11:31:37 mbklein @inaworld [obama] 2009-02-25 11:31:38 zoia In a world... where BARACK OBAMA RELATES TO WHAT YOU ARE SAYING 2009-02-25 11:31:40 royt timmcgeary: roytennant@gmail.com 2009-02-25 11:31:40 akorphan step 1: cut a hole in the box... 2009-02-25 11:31:46 ejk RIP Don LaFontaine 2009-02-25 11:31:53 mbklein akorphan++ Still not old 2009-02-25 11:31:54 BillDueber Nobody puts baby in a group 2 entity box 2009-02-25 11:31:54 timmcgeary jbrinley, royt: thanks 2009-02-25 11:31:58 kgs "open your code! free the kittens!" 2009-02-25 11:32:07 jrochkind100 Um, http://ifla/namespaces is not a very good HTTP URI. 2009-02-25 11:32:14 gsf iand++ 2009-02-25 11:32:14 bess bess is so glad the dick in a box skit hadn't come out the year I gave the "library in a box" talk 2009-02-25 11:32:17 mbklein ejk: Have you seen the great video with LaFontaine and a bunch of other voice over guys in a limo? 2009-02-25 11:32:18 anarchivist jrochkind100: you're such a hater 2009-02-25 11:32:18 kgs wtd++ 2009-02-25 11:32:25 mjg_ wtd++ 2009-02-25 11:32:31 anarchivist wtd++ 2009-02-25 11:32:34 akorphan Every time he says "three musketeers" I think of a candybar. 2009-02-25 11:32:36 mbklein bess++ for understanding through her gratitude that it would have been funny anyway 2009-02-25 11:32:36 dchud_ bess: small victories 2009-02-25 11:32:36 LibraryThingT Free kittens are so unappealing. Couldn't they be puppies? 2009-02-25 11:32:37 rsinger Talis, "We're half of two guys with a website" 2009-02-25 11:32:39 timmcgeary lol@bess 2009-02-25 11:32:47 BigD akorphan: me2! 2009-02-25 11:32:53 mbklein :) 2009-02-25 11:32:58 ejk mbklein: no, I'll have to look that up on youtube... next week, I guess 2009-02-25 11:33:00 jrochkind100 WE ARE ALL SWEDES NOW. 2009-02-25 11:33:09 timmcgeary bess: but that is one of the funniest skits in a long time (well, before Palin) 2009-02-25 11:33:14 LibraryThingT yeah, sweden++ 2009-02-25 11:33:17 atz Sweden++ 2009-02-25 11:33:17 BillDueber I want to screw around with rdf. I need to painlessly set up a triplestore. What should I use? 2009-02-25 11:33:31 gsf gsf is nostalgic for the free goats talk 2009-02-25 11:33:37 dchud_ BillDueber rdflib and sqlite? 2009-02-25 11:33:43 anarchivist dchud_++ 2009-02-25 11:33:45 BigD BillDueber: painless? hmmm 2009-02-25 11:33:46 rsinger BillDueber: HOW MANY PLATFORMS CAN I PUT YOU DOWN FOR? 2009-02-25 11:33:47 naomi drugs 2009-02-25 11:33:49 jrochkind100 IF. 2009-02-25 11:33:57 naomi use drugs, bill 2009-02-25 11:34:02 rsinger i need some sort of script for that 2009-02-25 11:34:09 rsinger like gsf and dvorak 2009-02-25 11:34:10 lbjay rsinger++ # also never old 2009-02-25 11:34:12 BigD BillDueber: we started with oracle, then went to allegrograph 2009-02-25 11:34:12 atz mbklein: i always like the pablo fanscisco version of LaFontaine 2009-02-25 11:34:16 BillDueber rsinger: For three easy payments of $19.95? Two. 2009-02-25 11:34:20 mbklein ejk: FOR LATER :) http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=4140336457689009151 2009-02-25 11:34:21 jrochkind100 Yeah, nice, FRBR _is_ about linked data. You've got to know what you're linking before you can link it. 2009-02-25 11:34:23 dchud_ i really like the way they're contextualizing all these big issues with what's out there now 2009-02-25 11:34:23 LibraryThingT Right, but tags could never fit into the FRBR schema—they include degree and perspective. 2009-02-25 11:34:23 mjg_ royt: alas? what has happened to me? 2009-02-25 11:34:27 BigD allegrograph is free for less than 50M triples 2009-02-25 11:34:29 akorphan Wait, what's the difference between frbr in and not in the box? 2009-02-25 11:34:29 gsf rsinger: that's just a dunno 2009-02-25 11:34:36 rjw BillDueber: http://n2.talis.com 2009-02-25 11:34:39 akorphan is it just linked-dataable? 2009-02-25 11:34:39 mjg_ mjg_ was off trying to be helpful for once. 2009-02-25 11:34:41 anarchivist LibraryThingTim: yeah, and tags SHOULDN'T 2009-02-25 11:34:42 LibraryThingT dchud_: Exactly. well done. 2009-02-25 11:34:48 anarchivist anarchivist is starting to really fucking hate tags 2009-02-25 11:34:51 rsinger @dunno search dvorak 2009-02-25 11:34:53 zoia rsinger: 1 found: #19: "your problem is you're not on dvorak" 2009-02-25 11:34:58 royt mjg_: oops, maybe it isn't your skull i have in my hand after all 2009-02-25 11:35:00 naomi bill: i've heard good things about mulgara 2009-02-25 11:35:03 mbklein step 2: put your manifestation in the box... 2009-02-25 11:35:06 jwn Y does frbr:work have to hasassubject lines? 2009-02-25 11:35:10 lbjay it's like they practiced 2009-02-25 11:35:11 LibraryThingT anarchivist: that's nice 2009-02-25 11:35:16 akorphan I wonder what a Swedish dvorak keyboard would be like.... 2009-02-25 11:35:16 rsinger BillDueber: there are no good things about installing mulgara 2009-02-25 11:35:24 gsf @dunno add HOW MANY PLATFORMS CAN I PUT YOU DOWN FOR? 2009-02-25 11:35:25 zoia gsf: The operation succeeded. Dunno #303 added. 2009-02-25 11:35:25 jrochkind100 jwn: No, it does not _have_ to. 2009-02-25 11:35:33 BigD naomi: also have heard good stuff about mulgara 2009-02-25 11:35:37 naomi bill: what can i say ... i'm ignorant 2009-02-25 11:35:38 rsinger gsf++ 2009-02-25 11:35:40 gsf rsinger: you're welcome 2009-02-25 11:35:40 anarchivist LibraryThingTim: but i aminterested in how to express user-contrib metadata in a linkable way 2009-02-25 11:35:42 atz "You will be assimila^W FRBRized." 2009-02-25 11:35:48 Kerwick akorphan: Heisenberg's uncertainty principle 2009-02-25 11:36:11 mjg_ @band add Funky FRBR Algorhythms 2009-02-25 11:36:12 zoia mjg_: Band 'Funky FRBR Algorhythms' added to list 2009-02-25 11:36:20 jrochkind100 good talk. 2009-02-25 11:36:21 LibraryThingT Neurons are linked data, but they're of different strengths and in different skulls. 2009-02-25 11:36:23 cbeer anarchivist: we've tried that using tagging prompts to linked data sources 2009-02-25 11:36:24 atz good closing 2009-02-25 11:36:24 BigD BillDueber: find esme cowles here, he's messed with a lot of them 2009-02-25 11:36:26 BillDueber Hmmmm. rdflib. Step 1. BillDueber learns Python. # been needing an excuse 2009-02-25 11:36:26 gsf akorphan: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Svorak 2009-02-25 11:36:27 timmcgeary good talk, great voices 2009-02-25 11:36:31 akorphan Kerwick: you... don't know if it's frbrized until you open the box? 2009-02-25 11:36:32 liza31337 Cool, now I know what FRBR is 2009-02-25 11:36:33 LibraryThingT Good content. Awesome presentaton. 2009-02-25 11:36:37 jstroop BillDueber: I like http://jena.sourceforge.net/ 2009-02-25 11:36:41 naomi bill: look at MPTstore 2009-02-25 11:36:42 rosy1280 JodiS++ wtd++ 2009-02-25 11:36:47 Kerwick akorphan: exactly :-) 2009-02-25 11:36:53 atz Jodi++ 2009-02-25 11:36:53 dchud JodiS++ wtd++ 2009-02-25 11:37:02 rosy1280 look at the line for frbr questions 2009-02-25 11:37:03 akorphan My life will not be complete until my keyboard has 3 'A' keys. 2009-02-25 11:37:04 rosy1280 crazy! 2009-02-25 11:37:12 dlovins JodiS++ wtd++ 2009-02-25 11:37:24 abarrera talking_over_each_other-- 2009-02-25 11:37:29 gsf royt++ for converting slides to pdf and all that 2009-02-25 11:37:29 akorphan Those swedes love their vowels. 2009-02-25 11:37:30 edsu JodiS++ 2009-02-25 11:37:35 charper anarchivist, LibraryThingTim: http://dcpapers.dublincore.org/ojs/pubs/article/viewArticle/925 "The State of the Art in Tag Ontologies: A Semantic Model for Tagging and Folksonomies" 2009-02-25 11:37:37 jchen JodiS++ 2009-02-25 11:37:45 anarchivist charper++ 2009-02-25 11:38:00 anarchivist charper: i need to get your point of view about some of this social metadata WG stuff 2009-02-25 11:38:08 edsu wtd++ 2009-02-25 11:38:12 LibraryThingT I wish the first step were weak FRBRization and more more more more more of it. 2009-02-25 11:38:38 bess bess now wants to add a .rdf stream to all our catalog records 2009-02-25 11:38:47 gsf akorphan: not sure if i agree with that layout. above the left pinky is not a good place for a vowel. they should have moved the "p" 2009-02-25 11:39:10 jbrinley bess++ # please do 2009-02-25 11:39:15 akorphan gsf: Can't say as I've ever typed anything in Swedish, so I don't really know. 2009-02-25 11:39:35 jfereira meatballs 2009-02-25 11:39:38 robcaSSon bess++ # and pretty low-barrier, since you've got good control of your views 2009-02-25 11:39:50 akorphan gsf: Though having all the vowels on one side might work if the language tends to alternate consonants and vowels. 2009-02-25 11:39:53 rsinger oh well, no question from me, i guess 2009-02-25 11:39:56 edsu http://inkdroid.org/images/frbr.jpg 2009-02-25 11:40:00 cbeer anarchivist: have you seen http://mqlx.com/freebase-suggest/examples/suggest_demo_tagging.html ? 2009-02-25 11:40:02 BigD bess: hmm, isn't that going backward? "records" is old school. convert records to triples, and render "records" with xsl transforms 2009-02-25 11:40:16 lbjay @hosts2010 2009-02-25 11:40:18 zoia lbjay: Asheville, NC [247]; Austin, TX [228]; Madison, WI [193]; Columbus, OH [137]; Bloomington, IN [116] 2009-02-25 11:40:18 abarrera jodis++ wtd++ 2009-02-25 11:40:24 charper charper likes conceptualizing work-set algorithms as weak frbr-ization 2009-02-25 11:40:29 bess BigD: your proposal is out of scope. :) 2009-02-25 11:40:31 lbjay JodiS++ wtd++ 2009-02-25 11:40:35 mjg_ @rickcheck http://inkdroid.org/images/frbr.jpg 2009-02-25 11:40:36 zoia mjg_: i think the property you're looking for is http://open.vocab.org/terms/rtfm.html 2009-02-25 11:40:40 timmcgeary Asheville is pulling away 2009-02-25 11:40:49 fak3r bing 2009-02-25 11:40:49 akorphan hills++ 2009-02-25 11:40:51 anarchivist cbeer: no - thanks 2009-02-25 11:41:08 lbjay mjg_: have you approved a lot of new regs today? 2009-02-25 11:41:11 naomi ooo - presentation to end users considered 2009-02-25 11:41:22 rjw biblios as a frbr host? 2009-02-25 11:41:24 mjg_ lbjay: I have approved 0. wickr may have? 2009-02-25 11:41:25 BigD bess++ 2009-02-25 11:41:34 ecorrado end users... who cares about them 2009-02-25 11:41:41 wickr lbjay: yeah a bunch 2009-02-25 11:41:43 lbjay @higfive JodiS_ 2009-02-25 11:41:45 zoia lbjay: UP WITH WHICH I WILL NOT PUT 2009-02-25 11:41:46 LibraryThingT I have to say, I think that article washes tags through an intellectual structure that doesn't quite grasp it. 2009-02-25 11:41:55 dchud the international presence this year is amazing 2009-02-25 11:41:57 LibraryThingT Once it gets into the water table... 2009-02-25 11:41:58 rosy1280 more accents 2009-02-25 11:42:01 akorphan awesome_accents++ 2009-02-25 11:42:09 ecorrado ecorrado still not convinced endusers care about frbr 2009-02-25 11:42:16 atz Denmark++ 2009-02-25 11:42:22 akorphan lego++ 2009-02-25 11:42:23 jfereira In our world... 2009-02-25 11:42:29 timmcgeary accents++ 2009-02-25 11:42:29 naomi ecorrado: humanities scholars can care about frbr 2009-02-25 11:42:31 abarrera summa is warma then winta 2009-02-25 11:42:42 naomi dang humanities scholars - they're always messing things up. 2009-02-25 11:42:44 akorphan ecorrado: They care about it if it aids discovery, even if they don't know it exists. 2009-02-25 11:42:49 timmcgeary timmcgeary thinks he might need to do a talk next year in his Pittsburghese accent 2009-02-25 11:42:52 robcaSSon ecorrado: they may not care about frbr, but they definitely want better grouping than we have now 2009-02-25 11:42:55 fak3r heartburn-- 2009-02-25 11:43:13 robcaSSon timmcgeary++ # yinz 2009-02-25 11:43:15 mbklein timmcgeary: Yunz needs FRBRized 2009-02-25 11:43:33 mjg_ end-users also don't care about some of the distinctions libraries make btwn manifestations, expressions, works, so I'd like to see the walls broken down a bit. 2009-02-25 11:43:35 LibraryThingT This room contains all important people. 2009-02-25 11:43:35 LibraryThingT wtd+= 10 2009-02-25 11:43:35 mjg_ frbr++ 2009-02-25 11:44:09 LibraryThingT I'm surprised they didn't mention the International Standard Text Code. Did I miss it? 2009-02-25 11:44:23 edsu me too 2009-02-25 11:44:23 JodiS_ codemonkey: sorry, wanted to get the PDF up BEFORE the presentation. changes + bandwidth = FAIL. Will work on that (and maybe change the URL) later. 2009-02-25 11:44:25 naomi hey! what about user driven development! :-x 2009-02-25 11:44:28 ecorrado2 robcaSSon: better groupings maybe, but most of them just want the last step, the last mile 2009-02-25 11:44:30 rjw rjw waves at iand 2009-02-25 11:44:31 LibraryThingT frbr: Check out the next time you have holds on X but Y is available—and they're the same work. 2009-02-25 11:44:32 LibraryThingT Wait, can I change my name to royt2? 2009-02-25 11:44:34 lbjay anarchivist: i'm still thinking about horton's, but the timing would be tight 2009-02-25 11:44:34 mib_rde6b9 anybody know what screen resolution the projector supports? 2009-02-25 11:44:37 LibraryThingT Is FRBR useful for collection development/weeding? I'd bet it could be. 2009-02-25 11:44:48 anarchivist lbjay: doable with a cab? 2009-02-25 11:44:51 akorphan mjg_: End users don't care about the item level until the moment they click on a link or go to the shelf. 2009-02-25 11:44:54 ejk lego++ 2009-02-25 11:44:54 lbjay i have a car 2009-02-25 11:44:57 edsu also viaf, would be interesting to chat w/ crossref guy about ids for peeps 2009-02-25 11:45:00 anarchivist lbjay: aight 2009-02-25 11:45:01 rsinger i'm more in the realm of duplo development 2009-02-25 11:45:14 lbjay i just don't want to miss any of erikhatcher 2009-02-25 11:45:20 LibraryThingT OO-- 2009-02-25 11:45:23 mjg_ edsu: on my to-do list too 2009-02-25 11:45:27 lbjay @rate duplo lego 2009-02-25 11:45:29 timmcgeary at the dahntahn library up the crick, our records need fixed. yinz put your babushkas on, grab an irn city 2009-02-25 11:45:32 zoia lbjay: duplo: 9.8; lego: 10.0. lego rocks! 2009-02-25 11:45:36 gsf wooden_blocks++ 2009-02-25 11:45:37 jbrinley 1024x768, I think 2009-02-25 11:45:42 rjw OhOh++ 2009-02-25 11:45:56 MrDys timmcgeary: it's 'arn' 2009-02-25 11:46:04 ecorrado2 LibraryThingTim: maybe, but i;m not sure... our last copy shared collection development model as is wouldn't benefit, but maybe in theoty it could 2009-02-25 11:46:06 naomi i blew it - now i'll never know what people said about my lightning talk ... dang. joined irc too late. 2009-02-25 11:46:08 LibraryThingT lego_mindstorms++ 2009-02-25 11:46:30 rsinger duplo_mindstorm 2009-02-25 11:46:31 edsu i wish more talks wer like this 2009-02-25 11:46:32 lbjay lots of info in that slide 2009-02-25 11:46:33 liza31337 I am pretending every one of these sentences is a question. 2009-02-25 11:46:37 timmcgeary MrDys: oh you're from /that/ side of the city, huh? 2009-02-25 11:46:42 edsu i know i have no life though 2009-02-25 11:46:43 naomi lots of NUMBERS in that slide. 2009-02-25 11:46:54 JodiS_ LibraryThingTim: your "work IDs" aren't for FRBR works (not sure OpenLibrary's are either at the moment) 2009-02-25 11:46:54 timmcgeary lincoln_logs++ 2009-02-25 11:46:56 MrDys timmcgeary: the clearly better side, yep 2009-02-25 11:47:02 akorphan pointers_to_pointers+- 2009-02-25 11:47:05 jfereira naomi: but it does have bacon and puppies 2009-02-25 11:47:07 BigD naomi: and colors 2009-02-25 11:47:11 akorphan bacon++ 2009-02-25 11:47:13 timmcgeary MrDys: seriously, though, you from da burg? 2009-02-25 11:47:13 naomi LOL 2009-02-25 11:47:15 robcaSSon jfereir++ # beta me to it 2009-02-25 11:47:19 mjg_ liza31337++ 2009-02-25 11:47:19 timmcgeary s/burg/burgh 2009-02-25 11:47:21 MrDys timmcgeary: Bethel Park 2009-02-25 11:47:23 rosy1280 lunch: wraps, greek salad, traditional greek salad, potato salad 2009-02-25 11:47:28 robcaSSon s/beta/beat/ 2009-02-25 11:47:28 royt i don't have a clue what he's talking about 2009-02-25 11:47:58 akorphan Youah cahbretta's broke, oah maybe you need new spahkplugs. 2009-02-25 11:48:01 timmcgeary MrDys: New Kensington 2009-02-25 11:48:05 BillDueber royt++ ; I looked down for a couple minutes and now it's like the third season of LOST 2009-02-25 11:48:06 zoia New news from planetcode4lib: Brickley, Dan: On the internet, no-one knows. 2009-02-25 11:48:06 BigD royt: me2 2009-02-25 11:48:09 akorphan Djeetyet? Squeet! 2009-02-25 11:48:32 lbjay royt: me neither but it's completely facetingating 2009-02-25 11:48:32 edsu i take it back, i like all the presentations ... edsu = morno 2009-02-25 11:48:35 LibraryThingT ecorrado2: Worth trying, maybe. On the other hand, it might mean libraries start throwing out first editions in favor of Dovers. 2009-02-25 11:48:35 ecorrado2 any pre-lunch announcements? 2009-02-25 11:48:35 LibraryThingT Is this a lag? 2009-02-25 11:48:37 liza31337 "Another search engine?" I dunno, you tell me 2009-02-25 11:48:42 naomi did he say why solr didn't meet his needs? 2009-02-25 11:48:42 ejk @ana duplo mindstorms 2009-02-25 11:48:43 zoia ejk: Trim odd sons lump 2009-02-25 11:48:47 abarrera BigD: the only time you aren't lost, is when you are at a buffet 2009-02-25 11:48:50 JodiS_ @quote add Talis, "We're half of two guys with a website" 2009-02-25 11:48:51 zoia JodiS_: Error: You must be registered to use this command. If you are already registered, you must either identify (using the identify command) or add a hostmask matching your current hostmask (using the "hostmask add" command). 2009-02-25 11:49:09 mjg_ abarrera: and then the food is lost 2009-02-25 11:49:16 iand wow this really is geek level 6 2009-02-25 11:49:17 LibraryThingT JodiS_: Do you mean they're on wrong level, or that the model of connection (social) is different? 2009-02-25 11:49:38 BigD subscripts, so it must be smart 2009-02-25 11:49:39 iand iand feels his geek juices rising 2009-02-25 11:49:40 JodiS_ @quote add Talis, "We're half of two guys with a website" 2009-02-25 11:49:41 zoia JodiS_: The operation succeeded. Quote #1745 added. 2009-02-25 11:49:42 naomi give him credit for speaking in a second language 2009-02-25 11:49:46 bess bess is feeling stupider by the minute. 2009-02-25 11:49:52 timmcgeary MrDys: should we try to get a Pittsburgh c4l and serve Primanti's for lunch? 2009-02-25 11:49:54 naomi I think i can manage "donde esta el baño?" 2009-02-25 11:49:54 gsf so this is their custom setup for faceting with lucene? 2009-02-25 11:49:55 mib_gpdr8p19 geek threat advisory level is ELEVATED 2009-02-25 11:50:08 lbjay @quote search star trek 2009-02-25 11:50:09 steambadger His English is quite a bit better than my Danish. 2009-02-25 11:50:10 rosy1280 the graphs are pretty colors 2009-02-25 11:50:11 MrDys timmcgeary: not living there currently, but yes, primantis is always acceptable 2009-02-25 11:50:12 anarchivist primantis++ 2009-02-25 11:50:12 zoia lbjay: 1 found: #1729: "< MrDys> this is some star trek shit" 2009-02-25 11:50:19 lbjay @quote get 1729 2009-02-25 11:50:20 zoia lbjay: Quote #1729: "< MrDys> this is some star trek shit" (added by gsf at 01:55 PM, February 24, 2009) 2009-02-25 11:50:21 jfereira cervesa por favor 2009-02-25 11:50:23 steambadger By a factor of infinity, actually. 2009-02-25 11:50:23 mbklein steambadger++ exactly 2009-02-25 11:50:25 robcaSSon primantis++ 2009-02-25 11:50:26 ecorrado2 does anyone know if lightning talks are full? 2009-02-25 11:50:27 BigD mmm, danish 2009-02-25 11:50:31 bjy mib_gpdr8p19 is the level color orange? :P 2009-02-25 11:50:36 timmcgeary MrDys: neither am I, but doesn't stop me from wanting to go back 2009-02-25 11:50:37 robcaSSon robcaSSon could go for a cappicola/fried-egg right now 2009-02-25 11:50:41 timmcgeary primantis++ 2009-02-25 11:50:43 eby_ fixed a couple of the slides url on the schedule 2009-02-25 11:50:46 akorphan ecorrado2: There were two crossed-off ones on the front page, at least one of which was re-filled 2009-02-25 11:50:48 rosy1280 ecorrado2 yes they are...filling up for tomorrow too 2009-02-25 11:50:53 akorphan ecorrado2: but don't know about the others 2009-02-25 11:50:54 robcaSSon and an Iron City 2009-02-25 11:50:57 naomi you folks are a TOUGH audience. 2009-02-25 11:50:59 JodiS_ LibraryThingTim: sure, you're different than IFLA FRBR b/c Greek Illiad <> English Illiad. But mostly seems like the wrong level. Last time I looked (2 yrs ago?) you had identifiers per manifestation, grouped by crazy-awesome librarythingers into works... May have changed. 2009-02-25 11:51:08 JodiS_ naomi: we *are* a tough audience. you rocked yesterday 2009-02-25 11:51:12 timmcgeary hanging out in the strip, too 2009-02-25 11:51:27 naomi JodiS_ thanks! 2009-02-25 11:51:29 JodiS_ though-- code4lib++ (awesome FRBR crowd ) 2009-02-25 11:51:34 LibraryThingT naomi: Good point. We should require everyone to do that. 2009-02-25 11:51:34 LibraryThingT There was one slot open at coffee. 2009-02-25 11:51:37 fak3r "One single machine never scales" <- gold 2009-02-25 11:51:41 mjg_ This is awesome, like an information_retrieval crash course. 2009-02-25 11:51:42 jfereira birra, per favore 2009-02-25 11:51:52 bess naomi++ # I loved your lightning talk. And I'm really psyched about shelf lists and proper call number ordering in solrmarc. 2009-02-25 11:52:06 edsu ead, coincidence? 2009-02-25 11:52:17 timmcgeary edsu++ 2009-02-25 11:52:18 LibraryThingT JodiS_: Talk to me in person. Some conversations are too rich to put in text. 2009-02-25 11:52:18 rosy1280 no more ead 2009-02-25 11:52:20 LibraryThingT (Not a criticism. I just can't follow you.) 2009-02-25 11:52:25 naomi bess: thanks. call number --> shelving key code in solrmarc 2.0 2009-02-25 11:52:28 ecorrado2 thanks for the lightning talk info 2009-02-25 11:52:56 rosy1280 me/ hungry 2009-02-25 11:52:56 wtd LibraryThingTIm; Etienne P next to Jodis wants to come on the Lovecraft walk. 2009-02-25 11:53:00 rosy1280 doh! 2009-02-25 11:53:04 rosy1280 rosy1280 hungry 2009-02-25 11:53:07 lbjay is this Mikkel or Toke? 2009-02-25 11:53:17 LibraryThingT wtd: Unspeakably great. 2009-02-25 11:53:18 gsf oh, now we're talking about real-life numbers+ 2009-02-25 11:53:19 gsf ? 2009-02-25 11:53:19 rsinger toke 2009-02-25 11:53:21 lbjay T O K E 2009-02-25 11:53:26 mbklein rosy1280++ me too 2009-02-25 11:53:32 rsinger lbjay++ 2009-02-25 11:53:33 dlovins naomi++ # really appreciated your lightning talk *and* your contribution to the SOlr breakout session 2009-02-25 11:53:33 wtd @ana gibbering eldritch noneuclidean 2009-02-25 11:53:35 zoia wtd: Blunderer cohabiting diligence 2009-02-25 11:53:39 anarchivist holy christ 2009-02-25 11:53:43 MrDys @sing steve miller band : the joker : toke 2009-02-25 11:53:45 zoia I'm a lover and I'm a sinner / I play my music in the sun / I'm a joker, I'm a smoker / I'm a midnight toker 2009-02-25 11:53:48 steambadger Lovecraft walk? 2009-02-25 11:53:57 dchud TDD FTW 2009-02-25 11:53:58 rsinger injokes+- 2009-02-25 11:54:05 naomi dlovins: thanks dan. I'm feeling the luuurrrrv 2009-02-25 11:54:12 BigD can you walk with tentacles? 2009-02-25 11:54:13 LibraryThingT Sssssh. The Bykahees will hear. 2009-02-25 11:54:17 rsinger injokes_that_make_me_laugh_inappropriately++ 2009-02-25 11:54:18 mbklein rsinger: Take away our injokes and we are nothing. 2009-02-25 11:54:37 anarchivist take away the injokes and you're not even left with a thong 2009-02-25 11:54:37 rsinger @quote search jokes 2009-02-25 11:54:40 zoia rsinger: 4 found: #195: " in-jokes don't scale", #196: "< tholbroo> if expanding code4lib means losing...", #927: " keep the bad jokes coming; i, for one,...", and #932: " rsinger: i will carry the mental image..." 2009-02-25 11:54:41 lbjay i'm pretty sure the guy nextto me is asleep 2009-02-25 11:54:44 BigD we should to an injoke index 2009-02-25 11:54:51 BigD BigD's fat 2009-02-25 11:54:52 naomi dang, i hate joining the party late. 2009-02-25 11:54:55 rsinger @quote get 196 2009-02-25 11:54:55 wtd steambadger: http://www.hplovecraft.com/creation/sites/walktour.asp 2009-02-25 11:54:56 zoia rsinger: Quote #196: "< tholbroo> if expanding code4lib means losing the in-jokes, count me out." (added by edsu at 03:34 PM, February 22, 2006) 2009-02-25 11:55:01 steambadger Now mibbit is trying to sell me colon cancer. This software is a hypochondriac's nightmare. 2009-02-25 11:55:02 naomi how do you people WORK and follow this chat? 2009-02-25 11:55:03 mib_gpdr8p19 ding ding ding 2009-02-25 11:55:05 BigD mjg_ needs a shave 2009-02-25 11:55:13 BigD edsu's mean 2009-02-25 11:55:17 anarchivist naomi: "continuous partial attention" 2009-02-25 11:55:19 steambadger wtd, thanks 2009-02-25 11:55:22 wtd naomi: I agree, that was a good lightning talk yesterday. Thanks. 2009-02-25 11:55:23 gsf gsf @foaf sitting_next_to lbjay 2009-02-25 11:55:23 mbklein naomi: work? I don't understand. 2009-02-25 11:55:24 zoia gsf: I don't know sitting_next_to's URI 2009-02-25 11:55:30 mjg_ all three solvable by a razor 2009-02-25 11:55:30 lbjay naomi: we are of a new breed 2009-02-25 11:55:33 Kerwick naomi: ADD ;-) 2009-02-25 11:55:33 dchud lisppaste3: help 2009-02-25 11:55:33 ejk doors closing 2009-02-25 11:55:34 naomi wtd: thanks 2009-02-25 11:55:34 lisppaste3 To use the lisppaste bot, visit http://paste.lisp.org/new/code4lib and enter your paste. 2009-02-25 11:55:38 naomi lol 2009-02-25 11:55:47 JodiS_ ecorrado: endusers don't even care about Find, Identify, Select, Obtain. They want to find shit, without thinking about it. And know which version of a movie they're borrowing. 2009-02-25 11:55:54 naomi seriously, i tried to get on this at work, and i did n o t h i n g 2009-02-25 11:56:12 gsf THE NEED FOR SPEED 2009-02-25 11:56:16 bess naomi: I leave the chat open, and just have it alert me if certain keywords are mentioned, like my name, my university, and any of the projects I work on. That way I can participate in the relevant conversations, but not have it suck up all my productivity. 2009-02-25 11:56:24 naomi oooo ... now we can talk about vufind ... 2009-02-25 11:56:27 naomi (kidding) 2009-02-25 11:56:39 akorphan I'm just going to start punctuating my sentences with the word bess. 2009-02-25 11:56:43 timmcgeary lol@naomi 2009-02-25 11:57:00 BigD bacon is the bess t food 2009-02-25 11:57:03 bess akorphan: that's mean! but akorphan++ 'cause it's also funny. :) 2009-02-25 11:57:04 mbklein akorphan: So what's bess for lunch today bess? 2009-02-25 11:57:15 rosy1280 there is a bacon lightning talk 2009-02-25 11:57:34 JodiS_ LibraryThingTim: International Standard Text Code looks really cool, but their website just has a press release now. Do you know any publishers taking advantage of their "free for the first 6 mos" deal to organize? ISTC would have been a great answer to one of those questions 2009-02-25 11:57:38 akorphan mmm, bacon. Bess, how do you feel about bacon? 2009-02-25 11:57:47 JodiS_ 20 min later, /me has caught up with reality... 2009-02-25 11:57:49 mib_gpdr8p19 so summa is a potential replacement for SOLR? 2009-02-25 11:57:50 lbjay toke++ 2009-02-25 11:57:54 BillDueber http://wiki.statsbiblioteket.dk/summa 2009-02-25 11:57:58 timmcgeary does bacon stand up well in blacklight? 2009-02-25 11:58:02 akorphan dueling accents! 2009-02-25 11:58:04 fak3r toke++ # good speaker 2009-02-25 11:58:10 erikhatcher toke++ 2009-02-25 11:58:12 timmcgeary akorphan++ 2009-02-25 11:58:16 Kerwick timmcgeary: no, it kinda lays there 2009-02-25 11:58:18 LibraryThingT It's my feeling that scalng always involves bespoke works, so it's hard to evaluate others' work. Maybe I'm just wrong. 2009-02-25 11:58:19 anarchivist toke++ 2009-02-25 11:58:25 naomi blacklight can import bacon and has a separate view for it. 2009-02-25 11:58:27 rsinger T O K E 2009-02-25 11:58:29 khatar toke++ 2009-02-25 11:58:36 rsinger T O K E 2009-02-25 11:58:39 edsu maybe i'll ask if he uses git 2009-02-25 11:58:45 mbklein @herald get tako 2009-02-25 11:58:46 zoia mbklein: Error: You must be registered to use this command. If you are already registered, you must either identify (using the identify command) or add a hostmask matching your current hostmask (using the "hostmask add" command). 2009-02-25 11:58:52 fak3r edsu++ 2009-02-25 11:58:54 lbjay anarchivist: i'm bagging on hortons. i'm going to go stick my head in the statehouse instead 2009-02-25 11:58:56 erikhatcher i had the breakfast in the hotel this morning... they did NOT skimp on bacon... 4 slices! 2009-02-25 11:59:00 MrDys @karma toke 2009-02-25 11:59:00 zoia MrDys: Karma for "toke" has been increased 5 times and decreased 0 times for a total karma of 5. 2009-02-25 11:59:02 wtd LibraryThingTim; I just noticed the tour starts just down the streeet from here. Sweet. 2009-02-25 11:59:02 anarchivist lbjay: aight 2009-02-25 11:59:08 edsu "unrelated, do you use git?" 2009-02-25 11:59:16 mjg_ mjg_ goes back in time and robs erikhatcher of his breakfast 2009-02-25 11:59:17 mbklein @herald get tako 2009-02-25 11:59:18 zoia mbklein: (herald get [] []) -- Returns the current herald message for (or the user is currently identified or recognized as). If is not given, defaults to the user giving the command. is only necessary if the message isn't sent in the channel itself. 2009-02-25 11:59:18 lisppaste3 dchud pasted "sample updated marc+json, preserves field ordering" at http://paste.lisp.org/display/76152 2009-02-25 11:59:20 LibraryThingT Jodis_: Yeah. I hear you. Re: BISG and etc., I think it's worth talking about it. ISBN replaced LCCN, basically. Everyone is moving slowly. BUt someone is going to have the numbers printed in books.... 2009-02-25 11:59:27 gsf http://www.troll-company.dk/ 2009-02-25 11:59:27 bess rsinger and khatar: all of this talk of toking is sounding like an invitation. Is that what's going on in the "whatever" room? 2009-02-25 11:59:29 edsu wtd: when are you going? 2009-02-25 11:59:40 kgs bess++ 2009-02-25 11:59:44 anarchivist bess++ 2009-02-25 11:59:45 mjg_ tako tako tako tako tako tako tako tako tako TOKE TOKE TOKE 2009-02-25 11:59:47 MrDys reincarnation++ 2009-02-25 11:59:58 lbjay whatever happens in the whatever room stays in the whatever room 2009-02-25 11:59:58 gsf note on the whatever room: as long as we get in there by 11 we can stay later 2009-02-25 12:00:02 fak3r edsu: "uh, hi, I just wanted to ask about distributed searching, a GIT ROCKS! Whooo!" 2009-02-25 12:00:05 gsf that was the case last night, at least 2009-02-25 12:00:06 dchud glen: in your biology research did you perfect reincarnation? 2009-02-25 12:00:09 wtd edsu: tomorrow afternoon after it's over? Are you here then? Want to do it when it's light out in case Hastur shows up. 2009-02-25 12:00:11 dchud MrDys++ 2009-02-25 12:00:16 akorphan hideous_bloated_visage_of_great_cthulhu++ 2009-02-25 12:00:19 mbklein lbjay: bess beat you to a drug comment. no karma for you. 2009-02-25 12:00:21 JodiS_ naomi: #code4lib volume is normally about a tenth of this 2009-02-25 12:00:22 LibraryThingT Libraries that lend out experts—can they be FRBRized? 2009-02-25 12:00:29 anarchivist wtd: would be up for that too perhaps 2009-02-25 12:00:35 naomi JodiS: not when i was last on. 2009-02-25 12:00:38 wtd anarchivist: Cool. 2009-02-25 12:00:39 JodiS_ JodiS_ mostly reads scrollback rather than real-time #code4lib (for better or worse) 2009-02-25 12:00:41 fak3r "Yes, but will it scale?" 2009-02-25 12:00:43 gsf "This site is best viewed with Netscape 4.0 or Microsoft Internet Explorer 4.0." 2009-02-25 12:00:44 mbklein Speaking of "staying later," has anyone seen scolford today? 2009-02-25 12:00:46 dchud lbjay: whatever happens in the whatever rooms ends up on youtube, lb 2009-02-25 12:00:54 bjy hastur, hastur, hastur 2009-02-25 12:00:54 rjw LibraryThingTim: only if the expets are related 2009-02-25 12:00:56 lbjay dchud: haw 2009-02-25 12:00:57 Kerwick baby_cthulhu++ 2009-02-25 12:01:00 edsu wtd: yea, sounds good to me ... should put on wiki maybe? 2009-02-25 12:01:01 edsu or just announce tomorrow 2009-02-25 12:01:02 mib_gpdr8p19 and lunch 2009-02-25 12:01:02 steambadger I don't think daylight will protect you from Hastur 2009-02-25 12:01:05 rosy1280 ok now its time to eat 2009-02-25 12:01:05 rosy1280 stop 2009-02-25 12:01:06 fak3r dead_troll_pic++ 2009-02-25 12:01:09 timmcgeary and lunch 2009-02-25 12:01:11 khatar bess++ 2009-02-25 12:01:11 akorphan hammertime 2009-02-25 12:01:15 rosy1280 yay! 2009-02-25 12:01:16 charper wtd: definitely keen on lovecraft walk. 2009-02-25 12:01:18 naomi lunch+++++++ 2009-02-25 12:01:19 JodiS_ lunch: Code4LibJournal folks meeting WHERE? 2009-02-25 12:01:19 khatar definilty yes 2009-02-25 12:01:20 mbklein Dave & Buster's tonight, but FOR dinner, or AFTER dinner? 2009-02-25 12:01:20 timmcgeary need more bacon talks 2009-02-25 12:01:24 bess ecorrado's_accent++ 2009-02-25 12:01:24 BillDueber dchud: For multiple tags (say, repeated 035), do you add to the array, or add a second hash in a list to the ['035' ...] element? 2009-02-25 12:01:26 jtgorman jtgorman chuckles a little at following the dependencies for File_MARC 2009-02-25 12:01:28 zoia true, true 2009-02-25 12:01:31 JodiS_ mbklein: I'm TOTALLY up for that 2009-02-25 12:01:35 JodiS_ mbklein: either way 2009-02-25 12:01:36 timmcgeary I'm up for D&B 2009-02-25 12:01:39 robcaSSon mbklein: yeah, i could go either way 2009-02-25 12:01:40 lbjay mbklein: i'm there for either 2009-02-25 12:01:47 fak3r let's bootleg whoever doesn't want to be rec'd 2009-02-25 12:01:49 mbklein OK. We'll talk about it. 2009-02-25 12:02:05 dchud BillDueber: now it's just adding to the list. dunno if that's smart, but it preserves order 2009-02-25 12:02:10 pmurray Must be lunchtime in Providence. 2009-02-25 12:02:19 truk77 huhr, must be lunchtime 2009-02-25 12:02:38 ecorrado lunch++ 2009-02-25 12:04:15 dchud at this point i think i'm going to try stuffing some of this into couchdb. i guess i just need a hash to identify these as they go in 2009-02-25 12:06:11 akorphan omgwtfbbqchickensandwiches! 2009-02-25 12:06:59 fak3r yo, I'm onscreen! 2009-02-25 12:09:54 LibraryThingT . 2009-02-25 12:11:11 calvinm_ where is D&B? 2009-02-25 12:12:12 freemoth Bill is talking about FRBR? 2009-02-25 12:15:22 freemoth #c4l09 2009-02-25 12:17:34 mib_pdoyhzg7 calvinm_: in the mall, down the street ~2 blocks on the right 2009-02-25 12:18:00 iand decent_veggie_food++ 2009-02-25 12:18:08 zoia New news from planetcode4lib: del.icio.us: Welcome - Summa || del.icio.us: ‡biblios.org | Open Source Cataloging 2009-02-25 12:31:52 akorphan parmesan_peppercorn++ 2009-02-25 12:35:25 rosy1280 no one is on the interwebs...its super fast 2009-02-25 12:36:33 jwn yesterdays cake was tastier than todays whoopies and blondes 2009-02-25 12:37:26 jtgorman @hosts2010 2009-02-25 12:37:28 zoia jtgorman: Asheville, NC [253]; Austin, TX [237]; Madison, WI [193]; Columbus, OH [140]; Bloomington, IN [116] 2009-02-25 12:38:00 mib_pdoyhzg7 austin is threatening... 2009-02-25 12:38:14 jtgorman jtgorman is wondering if most people are voting for ....ksclarke, warmth, or travel convenience 2009-02-25 12:38:26 truk77 vote for 6th street 2009-02-25 12:38:40 mib_pdoyhzg7 vote for Emo's on 6th Street 2009-02-25 12:38:55 truk77 and The Boiling Pot 2009-02-25 12:39:13 timmcgeary the cake was good, but i love whoopie pies 2009-02-25 12:39:23 smkiewel both warmth and travel convenience for me 2009-02-25 12:39:23 fak3r iand: ping 2009-02-25 12:40:22 truk77 truk77 accuses BigD of hijacking to the vote to make Texas lose. 2009-02-25 12:40:42 smkiewel well, they did say it was a diebold machine ;) 2009-02-25 12:40:49 smkiewel wouldnt be right if it were fair 2009-02-25 12:41:06 jwn whoever gets the diebold vote usually wins 2009-02-25 12:41:17 jfereira 6th_Street++ 2009-02-25 12:41:18 ejk Just need some RC cola with those pies 2009-02-25 12:41:25 BigD truk77: i wanted austin! 2009-02-25 12:41:26 truk77 Texas is a Red state, so the Diebold machine should swing in its favor 2009-02-25 12:41:42 akorphan strawberry_cake++ 2009-02-25 12:41:51 truk77 BigD: oh, is Austin exempt from your dislike of all things Texas? :) 2009-02-25 12:42:16 decasm @hosts2010 2009-02-25 12:42:18 zoia decasm: Asheville, NC [253]; Austin, TX [237]; Madison, WI [193]; Columbus, OH [140]; Bloomington, IN [116] 2009-02-25 12:42:30 jwn so what was "blonde" about the "whoopie pies and blondes?" 2009-02-25 12:42:48 timmcgeary jwn: not chocolate 2009-02-25 12:42:48 fak3r truk77: austin != texas 2009-02-25 12:43:06 jwn blondes != chocoloate 2009-02-25 12:43:11 jtgorman quick stupid question...File_MARC does not include leader/directory/etc in getFields, right? 2009-02-25 12:43:21 fak3r shirt != black 2009-02-25 12:43:42 akorphan jwn: I think blondes AKA blondies: like a mutant hybrid of a brownie and a chocolate chip cookie. 2009-02-25 12:43:44 jtgorman ie if I do foreach($record->getFields as $tag => $subfields) there will not be the leader 2009-02-25 12:44:14 fak3r truk77: texas is a red state, but travis county (where austin is) always voted blue when I was there 2009-02-25 12:44:44 truk77 fak3r: fair enough...Austin is still Texas though...it's just not stereotypical Texas 2009-02-25 12:44:44 BigD truk77: i LOVE texas! such easy targets 2009-02-25 12:45:11 jwn so the whoopie pie is the fluffy filling and the blondes the variety of cookie wrapping the fluffy filling 2009-02-25 12:45:28 ejk @hosts2010 2009-02-25 12:45:29 zoia ejk: Asheville, NC [250]; Austin, TX [243]; Madison, WI [193]; Columbus, OH [140]; Bloomington, IN [116] 2009-02-25 12:45:39 timmcgeary jwn: the blondie is really about the brownie 2009-02-25 12:45:44 ejk Keep Austin Weird 2009-02-25 12:46:01 timmcgeary jwn: the whoopie pie, by definition, is pumpkin cake with cream cheese icing filling 2009-02-25 12:46:02 fak3r ejk: I've got a coffee cup at home with the Keep Austin Weird logo 2009-02-25 12:46:15 truk77 maybe an excursion to Antone's could be arranged 2009-02-25 12:46:20 mjg_ if code4lib comes to ausin, no worries re: keeping Austin weird. 2009-02-25 12:46:23 fak3r truk77: true 2009-02-25 12:46:23 ejk @ana keep austin weird 2009-02-25 12:46:24 zoia ejk: Win steadier puke 2009-02-25 12:46:29 ejk ugh 2009-02-25 12:46:30 fak3r mjg_: boom 2009-02-25 12:46:38 mbklein Quote of the day (from a private Internet forum, not a public blog or anything, so I can't link to it): "I honestly don't care if the earth was created by God or by an explosion or by rainbow unicorn sex." 2009-02-25 12:46:41 jwn thank you, the wp&b confusion has been lifted from me. 2009-02-25 12:46:51 fak3r mjg_: reminder, I want to meetup with iand sometime today/tonight 2009-02-25 12:47:06 timmcgeary jwn: you're welcome 2009-02-25 12:47:09 mjg_ fak3r: ah, yeah, thanks. :) 2009-02-25 12:47:54 timmcgeary jwn: being married to someone who grew up Mennonite does have certain baking culinary advantages 2009-02-25 12:48:01 fak3r anyone want to suggest a good netbook? so many choices, want; small, linux, surfability 2009-02-25 12:48:58 mjg_ fak3r: we can just pester iand during his keynote tomorrow 2009-02-25 12:49:01 jtgorman ps 2009-02-25 12:49:06 ejk fak3r: haven't played with it yet, but I'm getting a dell mini 9 2009-02-25 12:49:09 jtgorman dbs++ #for File_MARC 2009-02-25 12:49:12 mbklein Dammit, mbklein forgot his diebold-o-matic password again. Who can I PM with a password I won't forget? 2009-02-25 12:49:21 fak3r mjg_: sounds great, I just don't know what he looks like, and likely him/me 2009-02-25 12:49:27 wickr mbklein: you can reset it at code4lib.org 2009-02-25 12:49:29 mjg_ mbklein: you can use the "request a new password" link. it works. wickr++ 2009-02-25 12:49:33 jbfink ruest: Okay, okay, I'm on now. 2009-02-25 12:49:37 fak3r mjg_: favorite thing last night, meeting people and having them say, "oh, so you're fak3r!" 2009-02-25 12:49:42 wickr mjgiarlo++ 2009-02-25 12:49:45 mbklein fak3r: Talk to wtd about netbooks. His is cool. 2009-02-25 12:49:51 mbklein mjg_++ mbklein-- 2009-02-25 12:49:56 mjg_ fak3r: yeah, it's kind of disorienting in a cool way 2009-02-25 12:50:19 fak3r ejk: that's what I've had my eye on, just want to actually try one out, see the screen, type, etc 2009-02-25 12:50:24 jtgorman fak3r: has a friend who likes his EEE...has one of the early ones 2009-02-25 12:50:44 fak3r ejk: used a 10" Wind MSI this morning, don't think Linux is an installed option, but I'd drop Debian on it 2009-02-25 12:50:44 bjy eee++ 2009-02-25 12:50:56 jtgorman what netbook does wtd have? 2009-02-25 12:50:59 mbklein mjg_: uhh...what "request new password" link? 2009-02-25 12:51:05 fak3r jtgorman: EEEs are cool, but yeah, the early ones screen is pretty tiny 2009-02-25 12:51:13 ejk fak3r: this chart was *interesting* http://gadgets.boingboing.net/2008/12/17/osx-netbook-compatib.html 2009-02-25 12:51:16 jbfink jtgorman: My wife has one of the first EEEs and has grown more irritated with it with time. 2009-02-25 12:51:37 ejk not that I'd advocate such activity 2009-02-25 12:51:42 mbklein mjg_: Is my voting password the same as my code4lib.org password? I thought they were separate sign-on. 2009-02-25 12:51:45 birkin hey, werewolf game for code4libbers this evening, 6pm, trinity brew pub; see conference_buzz page later in case of plan-shifts. 2009-02-25 12:52:16 MrDys mbklein: yes 2009-02-25 12:52:19 fak3r ejk: v.cool, yeah, I would dual boot OSX with Linux 2009-02-25 12:52:28 MrDys mbklein: the voting machine uses the c4l.org drupal accounts 2009-02-25 12:52:30 fak3r yeah, Lenovo would be cool, but more $ too 2009-02-25 12:52:34 mbklein birkin: Ooh, I love werewolf. But we've got the Dave & Buster's plan in the works 2night. 2009-02-25 12:52:36 MrDys (I think) 2009-02-25 12:52:41 mbklein MrDys: OK, thanks. 2009-02-25 12:52:46 timmcgeary what is the D&B plan right now/ 2009-02-25 12:52:47 timmcgeary ? 2009-02-25 12:52:50 mbklein No karma for you until I actually try it. :) 2009-02-25 12:52:53 fak3r mbklein: D&B, is that for dinner or after or both? 2009-02-25 12:53:01 MrDys the D&B plan is that I eat mbklein's soul for 3 hours 2009-02-25 12:53:07 mbklein We're leaning toward making it a combo dinner & gaming plan. 2009-02-25 12:53:08 lbjay anyone with a good empty seat near them? 2009-02-25 12:53:27 fak3r lbjay: over here, front left of the room 2009-02-25 12:53:36 mbklein lbjay: There's an empty chair here between me and emorgan, but it's tight. 2009-02-25 12:53:48 lbjay fak3r: raise hand? 2009-02-25 12:53:48 timmcgeary mbklein: what time for D&B? 2009-02-25 12:54:11 fak3r ejk: the dell mini 9 has no cdrom, hdd, or fan, which are pluses 2009-02-25 12:54:54 akorphan mbklein: D+Bs doesn't have DDR, last I checked. :( 2009-02-25 12:54:57 ejk Can I request no earlier than 6 for D&B? 2009-02-25 12:55:12 fak3r fak3r things of Family Guy with Bill Clinton playing DDR 2009-02-25 12:55:20 mjg_ mbklein: you square w/ c4l.org/voting now? 2009-02-25 12:55:34 mjg_ mjg_ stepped away 2009-02-25 12:55:35 fak3r ejk: that's cool, I'd rather do 7, but if ppl are just going to hang, we could stagger our attack. 2009-02-25 12:55:46 ejk 7 is even better 2009-02-25 12:55:48 akorphan Also, I think D+B has a "$10 free gaming with an entree" deal on weekday nights... look it up. 2009-02-25 12:55:55 mjg_ mbklein: http://code4lib.org/user/password 2009-02-25 12:55:56 truk77 oh man, I'm missing out on code4lib DDR? I am so bummed now. 2009-02-25 12:56:03 ejk I just need time to vid chat with the kids *before* dinner tonight 2009-02-25 12:56:22 mjg_ ejk: think the beer hour goes 'til 6:15 anyhow. 2009-02-25 12:56:26 fak3r ejk: exactly! that's what I do too, either before or after, but if we're staying out... 2009-02-25 12:56:29 fak3r ejk: skype 2009-02-25 12:56:32 timmcgeary 7pm for D&B? 2009-02-25 12:56:41 mjg_ ejk: folks'll prolly be there for hours anyhow. it's right down at the mall, top floor IIRC 2009-02-25 12:56:44 ejk skype++ 2009-02-25 12:57:09 birkin mbklein, you could play one or two rounds and then head to D&Bs 2009-02-25 12:57:15 ejk ejk was approved for the 64GB SSD mini 9 2009-02-25 12:57:26 fak3r ejk: really? for work? 2009-02-25 12:57:28 lbjay "aaaahh..." 2009-02-25 12:57:30 birkin guy running it says trinity gets too loud later anyway 2009-02-25 12:57:30 mbklein birkin: True. 2009-02-25 12:57:38 mbklein birkin: I've only ever played online games. 2009-02-25 12:57:45 lbjay fak3r++ # much better seat 2009-02-25 12:57:51 liza_ My Mini 9 arrives Friday 2009-02-25 12:58:00 liza_ Just in time for me to still have to drag my 17" MBP here 2009-02-25 12:58:07 fak3r liza_: nice - special color chosen? 2009-02-25 12:58:10 lbjay lbjay is holding out for a good tablet netbook 2009-02-25 12:58:14 liza_ Black, of course 2009-02-25 12:58:16 birkin mbklein: i only played it live once for two rounds -- it was fun 2009-02-25 12:58:22 ejk fak3r: yeah, I was surprised too 2009-02-25 12:58:23 wickr weird, ed vielmetti is linking a ton of stuff up in the code4lib wiki to pages that don't exist 2009-02-25 12:58:30 ejk It's so cheap still 2009-02-25 12:58:37 fak3r liza_: I like how the colors are more, but I'd want the base, but w/1G ram 2009-02-25 12:58:40 fak3r liza_: Ubuntu? 2009-02-25 12:58:44 liza_ (got it during the 1 day sale, $199) 2009-02-25 12:58:55 ejk replay challenges can only come from the boeth 2009-02-25 12:59:01 ejk s/boeth/booth 2009-02-25 12:59:02 liza_ Ubuntu + 2G RAM from Crucial 2009-02-25 12:59:06 fak3r liza_: 199! now that's a nice price...that's not today, right? 2009-02-25 12:59:19 liza_ No, it was President's Day 2009-02-25 12:59:19 lbjay ubuntu == crucial 2009-02-25 12:59:23 mbklein code{4}lib is actually codeeee4lib, not codecodecodecode4lib as previously suggested. 2009-02-25 12:59:29 mbklein ^-- Geek nitpick 2009-02-25 12:59:35 lbjay mbklein++ # correcting me 2009-02-25 12:59:35 smkiewel i have a eee pc 1000 here if anyone wants to check it out 2009-02-25 12:59:45 smkiewel and i absolutely love it 2009-02-25 12:59:49 mbklein (code){4}lib is another matter. :) 2009-02-25 12:59:50 fak3r liza_: fantastic 2009-02-25 13:00:01 fak3r smkiewel: I would like to, is that the one w/10" screen? 2009-02-25 13:00:08 smkiewel yes 2009-02-25 13:00:22 fak3r what's the screen res between eee 1000 and 8.9" ones, like the dell 9? 2009-02-25 13:00:23 wickr so long tolerably fast network 2009-02-25 13:00:41 fak3r wickr: yeah, I'll be becoming more quite as the time ticks by... 2009-02-25 13:01:01 smkiewel fak3r: mine runs at 1024x600 2009-02-25 13:01:04 mbklein MrDys++ # Single-sign-on ftw 2009-02-25 13:01:22 fak3r smkiewel: that's workable, thanks 2009-02-25 13:01:24 brownsica hey-I'm writing an article about netbooks, I have an asus eeepc too-let me know how you like them, what you use them for..my article is due next week-help! 2009-02-25 13:01:35 fak3r smkiewel: would like to check it out lates 2009-02-25 13:01:41 lbjay ecorrado & royt: where does the book giveaways fit in the schedule? 2009-02-25 13:01:46 jtgorman dbs: ok, quick stupid question before I go digging in the source code.....is there a way to get just Data fields? 2009-02-25 13:01:51 mbklein Java isn't slow, it's just big-boned! 2009-02-25 13:01:54 jtgorman jtgorman guesses he can do a is_class 2009-02-25 13:01:56 rosy1280 damn people are back on the interwebs 2009-02-25 13:02:08 lbjay pragprog++ 2009-02-25 13:02:18 edsu s/ls/select/ 2009-02-25 13:02:25 lbjay 9. Performance 2009-02-25 13:02:30 fak3r looks like mini 10s are coming, but again, price of mini 9 is a big deal 2009-02-25 13:02:56 lbjay <-- lives for the injokes 2009-02-25 13:03:08 robcaSSon free_solr_support++ 2009-02-25 13:03:08 naomi what was #10?? 2009-02-25 13:03:29 mbklein naomi: Performance 2009-02-25 13:03:30 bjy robcaSSon freeloader 2009-02-25 13:03:37 mbklein naomi: Oh, wait, that was #9 2009-02-25 13:03:44 decasm java is slow, like speed, it's slow, like mentally challenged 2009-02-25 13:03:52 dbs jtgorman: in File_MARC? you would have to getFields() and then iterate through them, discarding those that aren't File_MARC_Data_Field instances 2009-02-25 13:03:53 lbjay naomi: #10 was Bacon 2009-02-25 13:03:56 decasm s/java is slow/java isn't slow/ 2009-02-25 13:04:00 gsf jbfink! are you in providence? 2009-02-25 13:04:01 robcaSSon bjy++ # no doubt ;) 2009-02-25 13:04:01 abarrera # 10 was there is no such thing as solr fight club 2009-02-25 13:04:03 mbklein decasm: solr_in_erlang++ 2009-02-25 13:04:15 decasm erlang++ 2009-02-25 13:04:19 jbfink gsf: Nah. I am in Hamilton. :) 2009-02-25 13:04:22 jtgorman dbs: yeah, that's what I'm doing ;) 2009-02-25 13:04:29 robcaSSon jbfink++ 2009-02-25 13:04:47 gsf jbfink: thought so. might i see you in pei this fall? 2009-02-25 13:04:56 mbklein robcaSSon is always confused when people say "freeloader" like it's a bad thing. 2009-02-25 13:04:59 jbfink robcasson++!!! 2009-02-25 13:05:00 gsf ooh, query parser games 2009-02-25 13:05:04 jtgorman dbs: just thought maybe there's some better way than doing (if get_class($field) == 'File_MARC_Data_Field ') or whatever 2009-02-25 13:05:08 wtd jbfink: Hey there, good to see you in channel. 2009-02-25 13:05:15 jbfink gsf: If I can swing it. Getting money for travel is hard(er) now. 2009-02-25 13:05:26 jbfink @wtd: Good to see you too! I don't see you often enough. 2009-02-25 13:05:27 zoia jbfink: please forward your request to the appropriate tribal leader 2009-02-25 13:05:28 jtgorman dbs: ie if($field->isDataField()) or something that might be more...oh, I don't know 2009-02-25 13:05:41 anarchivist dchud: http://www.action3news.com/Global/story.asp?S=9900719 2009-02-25 13:05:42 jbfink zoia: hah, natch. 2009-02-25 13:05:43 zoia jbfink: can you express that in RDF plz? 2009-02-25 13:05:53 steambadger The last rule of SOLR fight club: if you're new, you HAVE to search. 2009-02-25 13:06:35 gsf jbfink: rob a bank 2009-02-25 13:06:49 gsf erikhatcher++ "ugly xml configuration" 2009-02-25 13:06:51 fak3r I want you to search me as hard as you can. 2009-02-25 13:07:03 lbjay it's so awesome that erikhatcher comes to our conf 2009-02-25 13:07:11 rsinger lbjay: i agree 2009-02-25 13:07:11 jbfink Luckily since I am a gigantic cheapskate, never join any organizations that cost anything, and am legally prohibited from taking educational classes under the terms of my NAFTA permit, I have chunks of change in my professional development account. 2009-02-25 13:07:11 dbs jtgorman: yeah, I could add something like that to File_MARC_Field I guess 2009-02-25 13:07:17 cschx disappointing... was expecting an intensional search engine based on Lucid http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lucid_(programming_language) 2009-02-25 13:07:22 dbs jbfink++ 2009-02-25 13:07:24 rsinger lbjay: and knows and respects the market 2009-02-25 13:07:27 robcaSSon erikhatcher++ 2009-02-25 13:07:27 mjg_ lbjay++ 2009-02-25 13:07:33 jbfink so, gsf, if I can possibly go to Access 2009, I am GOING TO GO 2009-02-25 13:07:34 ruest jbfink++ 2009-02-25 13:07:36 naomi eh++ 2009-02-25 13:07:38 mib_c1prtqwd ecorrado OWNZ royt's computer... considers doing evil things 2009-02-25 13:07:52 jbfink dbs: Are you going to go to Access 2009? 2009-02-25 13:08:00 dbs jbfink: mebbe 2009-02-25 13:08:02 BigD mib_c1prtqwd: convert it to windows 2009-02-25 13:08:09 gsf lbjay: i'm hoping he turns on the preacherhatcher soon 2009-02-25 13:08:22 lbjay @sing the smittens : obligatory love song 2009-02-25 13:08:27 zoia lbjay: No lyrics for obligatory love song by the smittens. Searched lyricwiki & lyricsty 2009-02-25 13:08:35 abarrera preacherhatcher++ 2009-02-25 13:08:39 naomi Was that slide sufficient to teach everyone ruby? 2009-02-25 13:08:56 rsinger naomi: that was a crash course, yeah 2009-02-25 13:08:59 kat3 Obligatory XML would be a great name for a band 2009-02-25 13:09:11 rsinger "Ruby has symbols" Any questions? 2009-02-25 13:09:18 robcaSSon @band add Obligatory XML 2009-02-25 13:09:18 zoia robcaSSon: Band 'Obligatory XML' added to list 2009-02-25 13:09:20 fak3r with The Request Handlers opening 2009-02-25 13:09:24 jtgorman dbs: not a biggie, just didn't want to do something that seems a bit ugly if there was other functionality arlready there 2009-02-25 13:09:28 rsinger TOO SLOW RSINGER 2009-02-25 13:09:47 rsinger 9. Performance 2009-02-25 13:09:58 cbarr with my Irish band The Dublin Core 2009-02-25 13:10:01 dbs jbfink: mleggott asked me to submit something, but I'll be damned if I can think of anything (other than Evergreen, obviously, and I don't want to be a repeat performance) 2009-02-25 13:10:02 gsf jbfink: good good. i'll be there, by hook or by crook 2009-02-25 13:10:20 gsf @tagged dublincore 2009-02-25 13:10:22 zoia gsf: no such tag or last.fm is on the fritz 2009-02-25 13:10:30 fak3r starting to notice lag in irssi 2009-02-25 13:10:30 mbklein BigD: evil 2009-02-25 13:10:31 wickr dbs: printer cable management? ;) 2009-02-25 13:10:46 dbs wickr++ # that would be fun! 2009-02-25 13:10:49 BillDueber BillDueber needs to know *all* of this. And then some. 2009-02-25 13:11:01 mjg_ would be interesting to see the stats on this, but despite whiteboys abounding, this conf does seem to be getting more diverse. 2009-02-25 13:11:14 BigD mbklein: not disagreeing, but do you have context? 2009-02-25 13:11:21 wtd Luke ... I am your search engine. 2009-02-25 13:11:22 gsf fak3r: just when i thought it was going a little smoother 2009-02-25 13:11:46 lbjay Nothing like a good piece of hickory! 2009-02-25 13:11:47 jbfink dbs: Yeah, I'd love to think of something other than EG to talk about, but there's nothing that would be interesting really. 2009-02-25 13:11:54 jbfink <- one-note pony. 2009-02-25 13:12:20 obligatory 11 breakout sessions on list 2009-02-25 13:12:25 khatar geosearching for a book? 2009-02-25 13:12:44 ejk mibbit fail 2009-02-25 13:12:49 robcaSSon khatar: geocode your subdivisions, etc. 2009-02-25 13:12:51 timmcgeary this is a really important presentation that I'm going to have to digest for awhile 2009-02-25 13:12:52 BigD khatar: books buried in tupperware 2009-02-25 13:13:07 rosy1280 Luke I am your father 2009-02-25 13:13:07 robcaSSon solr++ 2009-02-25 13:13:09 khatar useless ? 2009-02-25 13:13:11 rosy1280 Luke I am your father 2009-02-25 13:13:15 jtgorman BillDueber: quick question on the "almost marc' you're sending to refworks....did you leave the subfield |a out on purpose in those records? 2009-02-25 13:13:19 mjg_ erikhatcher++ 2009-02-25 13:13:26 rsinger khatar: nope 2009-02-25 13:13:26 anarchivist khatar: not so much a book, but other sorts of metadata 2009-02-25 13:13:30 akorphan akorphan is overcaffeinated 2009-02-25 13:13:30 khatar BigD:-D 2009-02-25 13:13:43 mbklein @band add Whiteboys Abounding 2009-02-25 13:13:43 zoia mbklein: Band 'Whiteboys Abounding' added to list 2009-02-25 13:13:48 dchud mbklein: as jbrinley corrected me, itym "codeeeelib" 2009-02-25 13:13:48 mbklein @band add Whiteboys Abounding 2009-02-25 13:13:48 zoia mbklein: Band 'Whiteboys Abounding' added to list 2009-02-25 13:13:52 rsinger http://www.google.com/url?sa=U&start=1&q=http://peel.library.ualberta.ca/&ei=VYqlSer4B4S6nQe9w_mqBQ&usg=AFQjCNEgSkJbcTV81KjibIxFh_tLdmDMRA 2009-02-25 13:13:55 rsinger oops 2009-02-25 13:13:59 rsinger google-- 2009-02-25 13:14:07 lbjay google-- 2009-02-25 13:14:09 khatar ok... thx 2009-02-25 13:14:29 anarchivist on the next episode of "what anarchivist hates": the capitalization MaRC even though it's technically correct 2009-02-25 13:14:35 BigD Index Zero 2009-02-25 13:14:49 gsf fak3r: i'm having pretty good luck with "ssh -o "TCPKeepAlive no" -C -L 6667:irc.freenode.net:6667 manheim.library.drexel.edu" as my ssh tunnel 2009-02-25 13:14:56 dchud @later tell jaf via anarchivist: http://www.action3news.com/Global/story.asp?S=9900719 your predictions come true 2009-02-25 13:14:56 zoia dchud: The operation succeeded. 2009-02-25 13:15:02 cbarr consider hiring a designer 2009-02-25 13:15:03 khatar anarchivist, give a talk on it ! 2009-02-25 13:15:16 cbeer UX++ 2009-02-25 13:15:34 BillDueber jtgorman: Yeah -- the filter I'm calling requires no subfield a. 2009-02-25 13:15:59 rsinger what the hell are you people doing to the bandwidth? 2009-02-25 13:16:06 akorphan ugh, laggy. 2009-02-25 13:16:09 jtgorman BillDueber: thanks 2009-02-25 13:16:30 dchud @canuck whiteboys abounding 2009-02-25 13:16:31 BigD rsinger: puppycam! 2009-02-25 13:16:31 zoia dchud: whiteboys abounding, eh? 2009-02-25 13:16:39 dchud yeah yeah 2009-02-25 13:16:43 mib_fhntkl rsinger: we are playing hide and seek with the bandwidth...so far, it's winning 2009-02-25 13:16:45 akorphan projector_crazies-- 2009-02-25 13:16:46 BillDueber jtgorman: It strikes me that I have no idea what happens if you ahve two $$a subfields. I'll try that sometime. 2009-02-25 13:17:05 akorphan mini_dvi-- 2009-02-25 13:17:06 gsf rsinger: my ssh is compressed :/ 2009-02-25 13:17:07 BigD check yer dongle 2009-02-25 13:17:09 timmcgeary loose_dongles--- 2009-02-25 13:17:15 rsinger khatar: http://peel.library.ualberta.ca/index.html 2009-02-25 13:17:15 lbjay @dunno add check your cable 2009-02-25 13:17:16 zoia lbjay: The operation succeeded. Dunno #304 added. 2009-02-25 13:17:22 jtgorman BillDueber: quick clarification, does it require no |a or no initial subfield? 2009-02-25 13:17:36 BigD i have a 2 a$$ subfield 2009-02-25 13:17:45 BigD i mean abarrera does 2009-02-25 13:17:50 mjg_ BigD++ 2009-02-25 13:17:55 gsf erikhatcher++ keeping the marketing hype to a minimum 2009-02-25 13:18:03 jtgorman BillDueber: ie would 856 |u http://someurl.com be translated as 856 http://womeurl.com? 2009-02-25 13:18:10 zoia New news from planetcode4lib: del.icio.us: Lucid Imagination " Exploring Query Parsers || Engard, Nicole: Information wants to be expensive || Bisson, Casey: Scriblio 2.7 Released || Bisson, Casey: Is Internet Linking Legal? ; [jira] Created: ( COUCHDB -219) Futon JS test for 'config' fails ...: ; [jira] Commented: ( COUCHDB -58) CouchDB should (3 more messages) 2009-02-25 13:19:15 rsinger dchud: just relax, ok? 2009-02-25 13:19:22 khatar rsinger, i'm on it ... ok 2009-02-25 13:19:23 dchud rsinger: ahhh 2009-02-25 13:19:42 rsinger dchud: now, does it really matter? 2009-02-25 13:20:03 BigD sweet tache 2009-02-25 13:20:05 miker_ oh, I guess I should stop watching youtube videos 2009-02-25 13:20:10 emcrens Awesome 'stache. 2009-02-25 13:20:52 timmcgeary blues_brothers++ 2009-02-25 13:21:14 LibraryThingT . 2009-02-25 13:21:18 BigD i hate illinois nazis 2009-02-25 13:21:34 BillDueber You can't lie to a nun. 2009-02-25 13:21:34 JodiS network-- 2009-02-25 13:21:37 anarchivist ahhh solr 2009-02-25 13:21:46 robcaSSon BigD++ # my fave quote from the movie 2009-02-25 13:21:46 JodiS BillDueber must not have gone to Catholic school ;) 2009-02-25 13:21:49 fak3r ya 2009-02-25 13:21:55 BigD we're going to see The Penguin 2009-02-25 13:21:59 BillDueber JodiS: Thirteen years, including kindergarten 2009-02-25 13:22:01 akorphan testing 2009-02-25 13:22:10 liza_ chicks-not-into-irc-- 2009-02-25 13:22:22 lbjay and then she left me 2009-02-25 13:22:23 akorphan ibahn-- 2009-02-25 13:22:25 JodiS :) 2009-02-25 13:22:28 BigD liza_++ 2009-02-25 13:22:30 mjg_ mjg_ rollicks 2009-02-25 13:22:31 JodiS liza: ditto to that 2009-02-25 13:22:36 BigD lbjay++ 2009-02-25 13:22:41 ruest ibahn-- 2009-02-25 13:22:41 JodiS ibahn-- 2009-02-25 13:22:41 anarchivist liza_++ 2009-02-25 13:22:52 JodiS iban_yesterday+- 2009-02-25 13:22:56 dchud the answer is 5984 2009-02-25 13:23:03 BigD 42 2009-02-25 13:23:34 timmcgeary ibahn-- 2009-02-25 13:23:46 BillDueber Not gonna happen. 2009-02-25 13:23:47 akorphan university of providence library++ 2009-02-25 13:23:48 anarchivist autobahn++ 2009-02-25 13:24:04 liza_ svn commit: 'Better performance when running offline (thanks ibahn)' 2009-02-25 13:24:10 robcaSSon backups++ 2009-02-25 13:24:17 obligatory backup_plan++ 2009-02-25 13:24:24 LibraryThingT Someone should make a hotel with *excellent* communication facilities. People would flock to it for conferences. 2009-02-25 13:24:25 mjg_ @dunno add the answer is 5984 2009-02-25 13:24:25 zoia mjg_: The operation succeeded. Dunno #305 added. 2009-02-25 13:24:29 BigD cache the internet 2009-02-25 13:25:00 BillDueber BillDueber is pretty sure that 180 laptops in a room this size is so rare as to be not worth optimizing for. 2009-02-25 13:25:08 rsinger what is this guy's nick? 2009-02-25 13:25:16 BigD BillDueber doesn't work in a library? 2009-02-25 13:25:20 wickr rsinger: shoe, maybe 2009-02-25 13:25:21 jtgorman BillDueber++ 2009-02-25 13:25:31 rsinger wickr: ok, yeah 2009-02-25 13:25:34 abarrera BigD++ 2009-02-25 13:25:48 jfereira BillDueber not really, many techie conferences will have at least this many laptops 2009-02-25 13:25:49 BigD we're blanketed with students with laptops 2009-02-25 13:25:50 akorphan lack_of_vision-- 2009-02-25 13:25:52 obligatory FAIL! 2009-02-25 13:25:53 BillDueber BigD: I just show up to the library every day. 2009-02-25 13:26:03 jtgorman #for doing the work with refworks already 2009-02-25 13:26:04 akorphan Yeah, you don't get this kind of lag in a classroom.... 2009-02-25 13:26:17 BigD BillDueber: take a walk out into the public areas sometime... ;) 2009-02-25 13:26:23 mbklein akorphan: You'll take the lag and you'll LIKE IT. 2009-02-25 13:26:39 ejk every table needs a 8 port switch next to the power strip 2009-02-25 13:26:43 jtgorman I gotta kind of side with BillDueber on the laptop issue... 2009-02-25 13:27:00 obligatory IN SOVIET RUSSIA, LAG IS YOUR FRIEND 2009-02-25 13:27:01 jtgorman most hotels/conference venues still probably have relatively low network traffic 2009-02-25 13:27:03 JodiS @foaf known 2009-02-25 13:27:04 zoia zoia JodiS: I know URIs for the following 40 users: Baroquem, BigD, BillDueber, JodiS, MrDys, abarrera, akorphan, anarchivist, asnagy, atz, bess, cazzerson, cbeer, charper, dlovins, ecorrado, ejk, escowles, fak3r, flighty, gsf, jphipps, jstroop, kgs, ksclarke, lbjay, liza31337, mbklein, mjg_, pmurray, ranti, robcaSSon, royt, rsinger, scolford, smkiewel, tomkeays, wickr, wtd, zoia 2009-02-25 13:27:07 atz atz had to reboot teh MacBook 2009-02-25 13:27:16 JodiS @foaf knows JodiS bess 2009-02-25 13:27:17 BigD ejk: we don't wire the tables anymore - with network. with power, yep 2009-02-25 13:27:17 bess naomi: I loved your email to the Blacklight list! Yes, please do a lightning talk. 2009-02-25 13:27:19 mjg_ cbeer++ # BEER! 2009-02-25 13:27:19 zoia JodiS: An error has occurred and has been logged. Please contact this bot's administrator for more information. 2009-02-25 13:27:25 ruest every table needs fibre 2009-02-25 13:27:26 mbklein wired_networking++ 2009-02-25 13:27:29 naomi BillDeuber laptops++ 2009-02-25 13:27:30 naomi BillDueber even 2009-02-25 13:27:35 jtgorman I mean, Mary Kay Reseller's conference is probably not pulling down several gigs of linked data just because someone mentioned it off-handly in an irc chatroom ;) 2009-02-25 13:27:39 dbs jtgorman: File_MARC-0.3.0 coming out in about five minutes, with your requested functionality and corresponding unit test 2009-02-25 13:27:39 jfereira DrupalCon Boston, 864 attendees 2009-02-25 13:27:41 JodiS wired_networking++ 2009-02-25 13:27:47 jtgorman dbs: that's crazy ;) 2009-02-25 13:27:53 akorphan broadcast_power++ 2009-02-25 13:27:57 rsinger jtgorman: assuming you write it 2009-02-25 13:28:05 jtgorman dbs: thanks 2009-02-25 13:28:05 naomi bess: i can't. today is full and leaving no later than 11 tomorrow 2009-02-25 13:28:06 JodiS jfereira: who did their internet? 2009-02-25 13:28:09 jtgorman rsinger: write what? 2009-02-25 13:28:21 mbklein @knows JodiS bess 2009-02-25 13:28:24 zoia mbklein: An error has occurred and has been logged. Please contact this bot's administrator for more information. 2009-02-25 13:28:26 JodiS naomi: maybe you could swap with somebody who's willing to talk tomorrow 2009-02-25 13:28:30 jbrinley @known jbrinley 2009-02-25 13:28:30 zoia jbrinley: I don't know jbrinley's URI 2009-02-25 13:28:34 jfereira JodiS no idear 2009-02-25 13:28:35 mbklein :( 2009-02-25 13:28:42 rsinger jtgorman: "dbs: jtgorman: File_MARC-0.3.0 coming out in about five minutes, with your requested functionality and corresponding unit test" 2009-02-25 13:28:48 mbklein @known JodiS 2009-02-25 13:28:48 zoia mbklein: JodiS's URI is 2009-02-25 13:28:52 flyingzumwalt @know http://mediashelf.us/about/foaf.rdf#flyingzumwalt 2009-02-25 13:28:53 zoia flyingzumwalt: flyingzumwalt's URI is now 2009-02-25 13:28:57 mbklein @known bess 2009-02-25 13:28:57 zoia mbklein: bess's URI is 2009-02-25 13:29:04 wtd freecite++ 2009-02-25 13:29:09 smkiewel @known fak3r 2009-02-25 13:29:10 zoia smkiewel: fak3r's URI is 2009-02-25 13:29:11 jbrinley @know jbrinley http://jbrinley.xplus3.net/id/ 2009-02-25 13:29:12 zoia jbrinley: jbrinley's URI is now 2009-02-25 13:29:21 rsinger who is? 2009-02-25 13:29:24 BillDueber very_similar_to-- 2009-02-25 13:29:33 lbjay lbjay coughs 2009-02-25 13:29:35 naomi bess: other issues to be discussed off list. 2009-02-25 13:29:36 zoia zoia sneezes 2009-02-25 13:29:36 timmcgeary rsinger: I thought you were 2009-02-25 13:29:38 akorphan tesla++ 2009-02-25 13:29:38 akorphan fibre makes for smooth (packet) movement. 2009-02-25 13:29:46 rsinger i think this means it's probably not based on a real data model 2009-02-25 13:29:51 akorphan XMLo's++ 2009-02-25 13:29:54 mouwd I eat xml for breakfast 2009-02-25 13:29:58 atz XML_crispies++ 2009-02-25 13:30:15 ruest @know jbfink 2009-02-25 13:30:15 timmcgeary atz: do they snap, crackle, and pop? 2009-02-25 13:30:16 zoia ruest: (know [] ) -- Associates the given URI with the given nick. If the nick already has a URI, it will be forgotten. Defaults to the calling user. 2009-02-25 13:30:17 BillDueber Frosted XML++ 2009-02-25 13:30:17 rjw XML over-easy 2009-02-25 13:30:26 rsinger Let me make up for my XML with BACON 2009-02-25 13:30:26 dlovins bacon_flavored_chapstick++ 2009-02-25 13:30:28 JodiS xml bacony goodness 2009-02-25 13:30:34 jbfink ruest: ... 2009-02-25 13:30:40 BillDueber Have people standarized on pronouncing it "jay-sahn"??? 2009-02-25 13:30:41 akorphan baconML? 2009-02-25 13:30:50 JodiS bibliographic JSON :) 2009-02-25 13:30:59 erikhatcher i'm back... what'd y'all say about me? 2009-02-25 13:31:01 gsf BillDueber: pretty much 2009-02-25 13:31:06 BigD we spell it out. like cheerleaders. in outfits. 2009-02-25 13:31:08 BillDueber gsf: Dammit 2009-02-25 13:31:17 jrochkind102 J-son, I say. 2009-02-25 13:31:19 jrochkind102 son as in son. 2009-02-25 13:31:20 BigD erikhatcher++ 2009-02-25 13:31:21 erikhatcher bacon++ 2009-02-25 13:31:23 timmcgeary rocket_surgery++ 2009-02-25 13:31:27 bess erikhatcher++ # great job, as always. :) 2009-02-25 13:31:30 BillDueber BillDueber prefers "jason", like the name 2009-02-25 13:31:32 naomi erikhatcher++ 2009-02-25 13:31:34 anarchivist erikhatcher++ 2009-02-25 13:31:35 BillDueber erikhatcher++ # well done 2009-02-25 13:31:38 erikhatcher @karma bacon 2009-02-25 13:31:38 zoia erikhatcher: Karma for "bacon" has been increased 35 times and decreased 3 times for a total karma of 32. 2009-02-25 13:31:40 anarchivist @quote search json 2009-02-25 13:31:41 smkiewel i've always said it like the name jason 2009-02-25 13:31:42 naomi http://bacon.com/ 2009-02-25 13:31:43 zoia anarchivist: 6 found: #1243: " I'll probably end up writing a...", #1282: "< BigD> json wears a lot of flannel", #1366: "< anarchivist> my band for pycon 2009:...", #1572: " Did you hear that Becky totally...", #369: " edsu: you want json, i'll give it a...", and #84: " I'm learning to love json because ... I..." 2009-02-25 13:31:44 mjg_ @dunno add not exactly rocket surgery 2009-02-25 13:31:44 jmspargu 's URI is now 2009-02-25 13:31:45 zoia mjg_: The operation succeeded. Dunno #306 added. 2009-02-25 13:31:50 erikhatcher @karma xml 2009-02-25 13:31:50 zoia erikhatcher: Karma for "xml" has been increased 6 times and decreased 6 times for a total karma of 0. 2009-02-25 13:32:06 akorphan @karma ibahn 2009-02-25 13:32:07 zoia akorphan: Karma for "ibahn" has been increased 1 time and decreased 10 times for a total karma of -9. 2009-02-25 13:32:09 obligatory users-- 2009-02-25 13:32:18 gsf erikhatcher: thanks for catching us up on solr dev 2009-02-25 13:32:19 akorphan ibahn-- 2009-02-25 13:32:30 jbrinley ibahn-- 2009-02-25 13:32:31 MikeTaylor ibahn-- 2009-02-25 13:32:32 anarchivist solr1.4++ 2009-02-25 13:32:44 pmurray Fact: Most everything is better with bacon. Problem: the requisite prep and cook time. Solution: Inject the salty-sweet hammy goodness into a spreadable condiment. http://www.wired.com/culture/lifestyle/multimedia/2009/02/pl_playlist?slide=7&slideView=2 2009-02-25 13:32:51 ejk @ana rocket surgery 2009-02-25 13:32:52 zoia ejk: Turkey grocers 2009-02-25 13:32:52 dbs jtgorman: fresh for you, http://pear.php.net/package/File_MARC/redirected 2009-02-25 13:33:01 mjg_ zoia++ 2009-02-25 13:33:03 akorphan THings would be so much easier if it weren't for those damn serials. 2009-02-25 13:33:03 naomi it's making my head hurt 2009-02-25 13:33:05 jtgorman dbs++ 2009-02-25 13:33:10 ruest http://Bacolicio.us/ 2009-02-25 13:33:11 erikhatcher BillDueber: yeah, jay-sahn..... my friend Jason Hunter hates that folks call it "jason" 2009-02-25 13:33:11 erikhatcher who decremented bacon! bastards 2009-02-25 13:33:12 atz wheatabixml 2009-02-25 13:33:16 jtgorman I'll try to test it soon 2009-02-25 13:33:17 mbklein gsf: Would it be feasible to give zoia read access to her own log, and write a plugin giving channel ops the ability to tail the last [] lines of the log? 2009-02-25 13:33:18 naomi ibahn-- 2009-02-25 13:33:20 jrochkind102 i like this guy's presentation style too. Hooray for presentations that don't put me to sleep. 2009-02-25 13:33:37 BigD naomi: that's the beginning of assimilation into the borg - just go with it 2009-02-25 13:33:45 lbjay @band add Turkey Grocers 2009-02-25 13:33:46 MikeTaylor Although he suffers from the now-traditional font-size affliction. 2009-02-25 13:33:46 zoia lbjay: Band 'Turkey Grocers' added to list 2009-02-25 13:33:52 jtgorman jtgorman is already working on this an hour longer than he should be...:P 2009-02-25 13:33:59 atz i was drifting for a second (mmm... 3 desserts...)... but this presentation is interesting 2009-02-25 13:34:00 ejk that ana plugin is just about the greatest thing ever 2009-02-25 13:34:02 jbfink I bought some of that bacon salt from a store in Burlington, ON. It was okay. It doesn't taste much like bacon though. 2009-02-25 13:34:02 pmurray http://www.baconnaise.com/ 2009-02-25 13:34:11 bess @knows bess flyingzumwalt 2009-02-25 13:34:11 gsf raise your hand if you don't know what a token is 2009-02-25 13:34:12 naomi no ppt bullets++ 2009-02-25 13:34:12 zoia bess: An error has occurred and has been logged. Please contact this bot's administrator for more information. 2009-02-25 13:34:15 erikhatcher gsf: you're welcome. thrilled to be here! 2009-02-25 13:34:15 erikhatcher code4lib++ 2009-02-25 13:34:20 naomi oh, i've been in the pro-bacon camp forever. 2009-02-25 13:34:24 akorphan text_mining_algorithms++ 2009-02-25 13:34:27 mib_fhntkl it sorta looks like sanskrit from here... 2009-02-25 13:34:28 wickr erikhatcher++ 2009-02-25 13:34:46 rsinger T O K E n 2009-02-25 13:34:47 wtd erikhatcher: Nice talk. Thanks. 2009-02-25 13:34:57 MikeTaylor This is the first talk in the conference that's made me immediately think "I'm going to use this". I like that this is such a neat, self-contained service, where so many of the things we've been talking about are all-encompassing frameworks or apps. 2009-02-25 13:35:19 akorphan better than the OCLC service, one hopes. 2009-02-25 13:35:35 cbeer ubiquity++ 2009-02-25 13:35:42 mjg_ insulting_the_audience++ 2009-02-25 13:35:48 MikeTaylor Oh, I didn't know about the OCLC service. I've tried a Perl module that's meant to do citation parsing, but that was a train-wreck. 2009-02-25 13:35:53 abarrera @insult audience 2009-02-25 13:35:54 zoia audience: You are nothing but a wayward puddle of tempestuous cold. 2009-02-25 13:36:16 akorphan miketaylor: The oclc service relies on the OCLC number and doesn't handle specific articles from journals as far as I know. 2009-02-25 13:36:21 jfereira search for wine 2009-02-25 13:36:21 lbjay sweeeet 2009-02-25 13:36:22 BigD ubiquity++ 2009-02-25 13:36:27 rsinger wait for it 2009-02-25 13:36:28 MikeTaylor Ugh. Well, that is beyond useless. 2009-02-25 13:36:30 rsinger wait for it 2009-02-25 13:36:39 rsinger wait for it 2009-02-25 13:36:39 rsinger wait for it 2009-02-25 13:36:41 BillDueber an-ti-ci-.... 2009-02-25 13:36:41 rsinger wait for it 2009-02-25 13:36:43 mjg_ @hosts2010 2009-02-25 13:36:44 zoia mjg_: Asheville, NC [268]; Austin, TX [253]; Madison, WI [204]; Columbus, OH [146]; Bloomington, IN [121] 2009-02-25 13:36:45 MikeTaylor It's not even useful enough to classify as "useless". 2009-02-25 13:36:46 akorphan miketaylor: zactly 2009-02-25 13:36:46 BigD more of a browser based quicksilver than greasemonkey advancement 2009-02-25 13:36:48 ruest ibahn-- 2009-02-25 13:36:51 rsinger ANY MINUTE NOW 2009-02-25 13:36:51 BigD pation? 2009-02-25 13:36:54 scotchko ubiquity is really cool 2009-02-25 13:36:56 MikeTaylor ibahn-- 2009-02-25 13:36:59 BigD click harder! 2009-02-25 13:37:02 gsf asheville++ 2009-02-25 13:37:03 rsinger I'M GONNA BLOW YOUR FUCKING MIND! 2009-02-25 13:37:07 BigD crickets! 2009-02-25 13:37:09 rsinger wait for it 2009-02-25 13:37:11 obligatory talk among yourselves 2009-02-25 13:37:15 abarrera hit the laptop that always works 2009-02-25 13:37:15 scotchko but not in this presentation :( 2009-02-25 13:37:15 rsinger wait for it 2009-02-25 13:37:16 akorphan PARSING 2009-02-25 13:37:24 akorphan "What this isn't doing right now is..." 2009-02-25 13:37:26 naomi recalculating 2009-02-25 13:37:28 rsinger just wait 2009-02-25 13:37:35 scotchko damn connection 2009-02-25 13:37:37 akorphan Acquiring satellite.... 2009-02-25 13:37:40 ruest ibahn forbids it 2009-02-25 13:37:41 kgs_ naomi++ 2009-02-25 13:37:41 BigD http://www.freesound.org/samplesViewSingle.php?id=420 2009-02-25 13:37:44 BigD i dare someone... 2009-02-25 13:37:45 rsinger i mean, when you see it 2009-02-25 13:37:46 atz ibahn-- 2009-02-25 13:37:46 BigD i'm a wuss 2009-02-25 13:37:47 JodiS crickets-- 2009-02-25 13:37:48 MikeTaylor This bodes very well for my Lightning Talk, which consists entirely of a demo of a web-based app. Looks like I'm going to get as far as showing the little animation in the top-right corner of the browser. 2009-02-25 13:37:53 BillDueber NEVER GONNA GIVE YOU UP, NEVER GONNA LET YOU DOWN 2009-02-25 13:37:57 rsinger wait for it 2009-02-25 13:37:58 ejk ibahn-- 2009-02-25 13:38:00 akorphan Do a little soft-shoe! 2009-02-25 13:38:01 JodiS JodiS covers her eyes 2009-02-25 13:38:07 rsinger wait for it 2009-02-25 13:38:10 erikhatcher just goes to show, presenters need to run everything locally.... a shame, but good network access is still a luxury 2009-02-25 13:38:13 atz @sing barry white 2009-02-25 13:38:15 zoia Chorus / I've been around the world, lookin' from my baby / Been around the world, and I'm gonna / I'm gonna find him 2009-02-25 13:38:22 dbs MikeTaylor: suggestion: use wink or something similar to screencap your demo in advance 2009-02-25 13:38:22 rsinger no wait 2009-02-25 13:38:25 JodiS freecite is awesome. demo/online stuff fail... 2009-02-25 13:38:26 atz @more 2009-02-25 13:38:26 zoia atz: Error: You haven't asked me a command; perhaps you want to see someone else's more. To do so, call this command with that person's nick. 2009-02-25 13:38:27 naomi MikeTaylor: pre-load all the screens 2009-02-25 13:38:29 akorphan MikeTaylor: if it's not too ajaxy, you could load it now. 2009-02-25 13:38:29 jtgorman dbs: maybe tomorrow or Friday I'll probably get to it :P 2009-02-25 13:38:30 JodiS dbs++ 2009-02-25 13:38:41 MrDys MrDys is so glad he re-wrote his presentation to not be online-based...but you all are going to have to suffer through it 2009-02-25 13:38:42 naomi screens -> pages 2009-02-25 13:38:44 mikeybe yes!!! 2009-02-25 13:38:51 rsinger damn, was that preemptive to make me stop snarking? 2009-02-25 13:38:54 mjg_ I'm guessing a lot of library apps are going to be Google Gearsized between now and next year. 2009-02-25 13:38:59 BillDueber We need a conference server onto which presenters can load virtual machines with their apps. 2009-02-25 13:39:00 naomi MrDys: i hope it's a lightning talk ;-) 2009-02-25 13:39:01 rsinger shoe, you win this round. 2009-02-25 13:39:10 BigD @define insanity 2009-02-25 13:39:11 zoia BigD: Oh, we're going to post that job any day now - honest! 2009-02-25 13:39:14 erikhatcher MikeTaylor: Font Police 2009-02-25 13:39:14 MrDys rsinger++ 2009-02-25 13:39:21 eby_ erikhatcher: i'm sure as soon as you get everything running locally it will be a conf that requires you to use their win 98 laptop they have hooked to the projector 2009-02-25 13:39:24 MrDys who throws a shoe, really? 2009-02-25 13:39:54 akorphan "not 100% yet" 2009-02-25 13:39:58 akorphan ...yet. 2009-02-25 13:40:05 atz the main thing w/ freecite is they took a widespread problem that is still small-enough to conquer definitively 2009-02-25 13:40:13 rsinger wait for it 2009-02-25 13:40:14 BigD $19.95! 2009-02-25 13:40:25 erikhatcher i've been reading Guy Kawasaki's "Reality Bites", where he describes how to give presentations to VC's.... his advice... 30pt fonts (though that is way too small for me in Keynote). he says if don't want 30 point fonts, take the age of the oldest person there, half it and use that font size 2009-02-25 13:41:18 MikeTaylor :-) 2009-02-25 13:41:18 MikeTaylor I haven't heard of wink, either. Got a URL? (Not that I'd be able to dereference it in the current climate.) 2009-02-25 13:41:18 obligatory no one here pays for anything but bacon and beer 2009-02-25 13:41:18 JodiS @forget JodiS 2009-02-25 13:41:18 zoia JodiS: OK, I've forgotten JodiS's URI 2009-02-25 13:41:18 BigD it's talis time 2009-02-25 13:41:18 erikhatcher rsinger: T O K I N G 2009-02-25 13:41:18 JodiS BigD: sounds like a party 2009-02-25 13:41:18 bjy wink++ 2009-02-25 13:41:18 dbs MikeTaylor: http://debugmode.com/wink/ 2009-02-25 13:41:18 JodiS @know http://jodischneider.com/#me 2009-02-25 13:41:18 zoia JodiS: JodiS's URI is now 2009-02-25 13:41:18 JodiS @knows JodiS bess 2009-02-25 13:41:18 dchud ugh, this data looks nasty in couchdb 2009-02-25 13:41:18 zoia JodiS: An error has occurred and has been logged. Please contact this bot's administrator for more information. 2009-02-25 13:41:21 jmspargu @know http://intranet.library.arizona.edu/users/spargurj/foaf.rdf 2009-02-25 13:41:22 zoia jmspargu: jmspargu's URI is now 2009-02-25 13:41:24 dbs freeware, not FLOSS, but oh well 2009-02-25 13:41:37 mjg_ I feel like every talk is a Led Zeppelin song the way that gong goes off. 2009-02-25 13:41:42 JodiS rjw++ 2009-02-25 13:41:47 erikhatcher naomi: yeah, no bullets is a good one. my theme had a nice yellow artsy bullet that looks like a sun, so i kept it :) 2009-02-25 13:41:49 naomi eby_: dos, you mean 2009-02-25 13:41:49 naomi begging_for_customers-- 2009-02-25 13:41:49 naomi did mibbit drop me again??? 2009-02-25 13:41:53 liza31337 I keep hearing it as 'make out session' 2009-02-25 13:42:04 BillDueber BillDueber is aaaaalmost out of battery, and no plugs open. 2009-02-25 13:42:04 liza31337 Maybe that's why I went to the lounge yesterday 2009-02-25 13:42:06 BigD naomi: yes 2009-02-25 13:42:15 naomi erikhatcher: i didn't count your slides as having bullets 2009-02-25 13:42:17 JodiS JodiS notices "I <3 my validator" at validator.w3.org 2009-02-25 13:42:24 timmcgeary bless you 2009-02-25 13:42:24 BigD BillDueber needs a buddy breathe 2009-02-25 13:42:25 MikeTaylor Thanks for the wink URL. 2009-02-25 13:42:35 BigD i bet not 2009-02-25 13:42:43 kgs_ MikeTaylor I PM'd you 2009-02-25 13:42:46 edsu svn ci 2009-02-25 13:42:47 timmcgeary awww, do I have to stop by bittorent of 24? 2009-02-25 13:42:47 rsinger @dunno search PLATFORMS 2009-02-25 13:42:48 ejk what happened to the dedicated connection for the presenters? 2009-02-25 13:42:49 zoia rsinger: 1 found: #303: "HOW MANY PLATFORMS CAN I PUT YOU DOWN FOR?" 2009-02-25 13:42:51 edsu oops wrong window 2009-02-25 13:42:51 dchud dunh. dunh dunh. dunh dunh dooka doo doo dooka do do. dunh dunh dooka doo doo dooka do do. in the daaaays of my yooouth i was shoooown what it meeeeans to be a cooooder... 2009-02-25 13:43:00 mib_xravnv97 there is the room available all day for makeout sessions 2009-02-25 13:43:15 mjg_ I prefer OPAC Shakur 2009-02-25 13:43:20 naomi i just raised my hand, but i didn't hear the question ... hmm 2009-02-25 13:43:25 BigD breakingout is hard to do... 2009-02-25 13:43:47 BigD bastards 2009-02-25 13:43:48 naomi are you kidding? with Symphony, they're ecstatic to have relevancy ranked results and facets. 2009-02-25 13:43:51 atz more accents++ 2009-02-25 13:43:53 anarchivist_ @quote add < mjg_> I prefer OPAC Shakur 2009-02-25 13:43:53 zoia anarchivist_: Error: You must be registered to use this command. If you are already registered, you must either identify (using the identify command) or add a hostmask matching your current hostmask (using the "hostmask add" command). 2009-02-25 13:43:57 dchud but my head is down reading the channle! 2009-02-25 13:43:58 anarchivist @quote add < mjg_> I prefer OPAC Shakur 2009-02-25 13:43:59 zoia anarchivist: The operation succeeded. Quote #1746 added. 2009-02-25 13:44:00 timmcgeary mib_xravnv97: is that the whatever room? 2009-02-25 13:44:07 erikhatcher he's dreaming, thinking he's gonna get any bandwidth! 2009-02-25 13:44:07 erikhatcher MikeTaylor: not gonna use Solr? darn 2009-02-25 13:44:11 rsinger @dunno search please fix 2009-02-25 13:44:13 zoia rsinger: 1 found: #288: "Results are different between this and old..." 2009-02-25 13:44:21 rsinger @dunno get 288 2009-02-25 13:44:21 jrochkind102 Just so you know, Umlaut does this. 2009-02-25 13:44:22 zoia rsinger: Dunno #288: "Results are different between this and old catalog. Please fix." (added by rsinger at 02:10 PM, February 05, 2009) 2009-02-25 13:44:22 lbjay this is going to better than i'd thought 2009-02-25 13:44:27 lbjay yep 2009-02-25 13:44:28 jbrinley clouds++ 2009-02-25 13:44:32 BillDueber Damn users, what with their wants and their needs and their lack of appropriate deference. 2009-02-25 13:44:32 jfereira best slide so far 2009-02-25 13:44:32 JodiS rjw++ #timing 2009-02-25 13:44:33 obligatory there's no gold in monument valley 2009-02-25 13:44:41 bess brilliant! 2009-02-25 13:44:43 codemonkey sound effect++ 2009-02-25 13:44:48 edsu drugs 2009-02-25 13:44:48 timmcgeary sound effect ++ 2009-02-25 13:44:52 anarchivist drugs++ 2009-02-25 13:45:01 kgs_ users. they are so broken 2009-02-25 13:45:09 timmcgeary greed++ 2009-02-25 13:45:10 naomi not_having_searchworks_in_slide-- 2009-02-25 13:45:25 atz theatre_effects++ 2009-02-25 13:45:26 abarrera mjg_++ 2009-02-25 13:45:27 mjg_ earthquake at table 8 2009-02-25 13:45:32 abarrera and they can get it all for $19.95 2009-02-25 13:45:36 BillDueber obligatory: All the gold in CA is in a bank in the middle of Bevery Hills in somebody else's name 2009-02-25 13:45:50 BigD abarrera's under the table looking for doritos 2009-02-25 13:46:04 lbjay what is it with talis and Hollywood quality powerpoints? 2009-02-25 13:46:10 naomi library_geek++ 2009-02-25 13:46:15 erikhatcher freecite++ 2009-02-25 13:46:19 jrochkind102 Oh man, I wish I could have an Umlaut rebuttal. UMLAUT. 2009-02-25 13:46:23 akorphan modularization++ 2009-02-25 13:46:23 lbjay last year it was m{5}rob 2009-02-25 13:46:24 abarrera mjg_: BigD shifted in his chair? 2009-02-25 13:46:33 akorphan Muertly Crueh! 2009-02-25 13:46:34 jbrinley jrochkind102: interject a lightning talk 2009-02-25 13:46:34 zoia akorphan: turn it up! 2009-02-25 13:46:36 naomi er ... widgits? 2009-02-25 13:46:38 MrDys code4lib_as_job_title+- 2009-02-25 13:46:44 anarchivist qwidget-- 2009-02-25 13:46:45 JodiS what's the namespace for RDF "resource"? 2009-02-25 13:46:51 atz jrochkind102: lightning talk tomorrow? 2009-02-25 13:46:56 liza31337 Not Djuice? 2009-02-25 13:46:58 dbs jrochkind102: ask a question, "Being John Malkovich" style. "Umlaut, umlaut umlaut, umlaut. Umlaut!" 2009-02-25 13:46:59 jrochkind102 Yeah, I guess I should. 2009-02-25 13:46:59 rsinger lbjay: we don't actually make any code -- we just write keynote presentations all day 2009-02-25 13:47:00 abarrera Juice starring OPAC Shakur 2009-02-25 13:47:01 lbjay Djooss 2009-02-25 13:47:02 JodiS jrochkind: lightning talk!! 2009-02-25 13:47:02 jmspargu I like djuice 2009-02-25 13:47:08 anarchivist abarrera++ # quicker than i am 2009-02-25 13:47:17 JodiS ecorrado++ #timing from before :) 2009-02-25 13:47:20 JodiS ecorrado++ 2009-02-25 13:47:23 jbrinley djuice++ 2009-02-25 13:47:26 edsu bzr push 2009-02-25 13:47:28 anarchivist djabberdjaw will implement (d)juice 2009-02-25 13:47:33 edsu damn, sorry mate 2009-02-25 13:47:33 timmcgeary djuice++ 2009-02-25 13:47:34 anarchivist bzr push it real good 2009-02-25 13:47:36 abarrera Free DJuice 2009-02-25 13:47:40 timmcgeary vufind++ 2009-02-25 13:47:43 mjg_ abarrera++ 2009-02-25 13:47:51 akorphan djreasemonkey 2009-02-25 13:47:56 naomi grease --> bacon 2009-02-25 13:47:56 jbrinley JodiS: http://www.w3.org/1999/02/22-rdf-syntax-ns# 2009-02-25 13:48:05 BigD restless leg syndrome affects us all 2009-02-25 13:48:05 dchud DJuice looks like DJ Wheezy 2009-02-25 13:48:11 miker_ MikeTaylor: I have a present for you ... where are you sir? 2009-02-25 13:48:12 BigD especially at table 8 2009-02-25 13:48:16 gsf vendor_wars++ 2009-02-25 13:48:17 edsu the whole web is dead 2009-02-25 13:48:26 edsu d'h edsu-- 2009-02-25 13:48:27 anarchivist monkeybacon++ 2009-02-25 13:48:31 timmcgeary ding dong, worldcat's dead... 2009-02-25 13:48:38 gsf more like vendor larping, really 2009-02-25 13:48:38 mjg_ dchud++ # good eye 2009-02-25 13:48:42 liza31337 Djuke 2009-02-25 13:48:52 anarchivist djuke of url 2009-02-25 13:48:56 mikeybe this is a cool idea 2009-02-25 13:49:01 eby_ @hosts2010 --remove-shitty-bandwidth 2009-02-25 13:49:02 ejk liza31337++ 2009-02-25 13:49:02 zoia eby_: Asheville, NC [268]; Austin, TX [256]; Madison, WI [206]; Columbus, OH [147]; Bloomington, IN [121] 2009-02-25 13:49:11 timmcgeary anarchivist++ 2009-02-25 13:49:17 edsu nice relevancy ranking 2009-02-25 13:49:23 naomi "you don't want a call number browse; you want cover flow" 2009-02-25 13:49:26 anarchivist edsu: ur facets r showing 2009-02-25 13:49:29 JodiS jbrinley++ #that's what I was trying... hmmm.... 2009-02-25 13:49:34 lbjay @ana djuke and djive 2009-02-25 13:49:35 zoia lbjay: Junk jaded dive 2009-02-25 13:49:40 LibraryThingT Why can't coverflow be by call number? 2009-02-25 13:49:45 djbrinley edjk++ # that's the spirit 2009-02-25 13:49:45 mjg_ edsu: tuck it back, geez. 2009-02-25 13:49:49 djbrinley everybody now! 2009-02-25 13:49:54 BigD table 8 has magic fingers 2009-02-25 13:49:58 anarchivist i'm glad i never have to ever implement call number browse 2009-02-25 13:50:05 anarchivist # at least in my current job 2009-02-25 13:50:07 naomi LibraryThingTim_: coverflow isn't bad, but lots and lots of our titles don't really have useful covers 2009-02-25 13:50:07 akorphan LibraryThingTim_: Well, if you've got a sequential index of items by call number.... 2009-02-25 13:50:12 erikhatcher eby_: yeah... when i presented at the LoC (you can see it on the video), i had to present on their Windows PC.... i sent over my Keynote exported to PPT, and it lost the graphics! that was painful for a minute, then realized i had exported the PDF... and slideshowed that. 2009-02-25 13:50:14 steambadger This is much like dial-up access circa 1993. I'm having a nostalgia moment... 2009-02-25 13:50:14 erikhatcher pdf++ 2009-02-25 13:50:25 BillDueber BillDueber loves to think of coverflowing through acres of bound serials. "Black. Black. Black. Black...." 2009-02-25 13:50:30 lbjay 125 nicks 2009-02-25 13:50:33 BigD #AT 2009-02-25 13:50:38 naomi BillDueber++ 2009-02-25 13:50:39 akorphan akorphan is planning a call numberr coverflow app, and plans to make dummy covers for items we can't grab covers for. 2009-02-25 13:50:44 timmcgeary anarchivist: I need to create a Dewey CNB... :( 2009-02-25 13:50:51 JodiS JodiS has xmlns:rdf="http://www.w3.org/1999/02/22-rdf-syntax-ns#" and gets there is no attribute "rdf:resource". 2009-02-25 13:50:52 JodiS 2009-02-25 13:50:52 BillDueber How much more black could our serials be? None. None more black. 2009-02-25 13:50:55 LibraryThingT akorphan: talk to me about it? 2009-02-25 13:51:03 MikeTaylor The difference is that in 1993 we weren't trying to demo AJAX apps. 2009-02-25 13:51:05 anarchivist timmcgeary: we use dewey, lc, and NYPL's own old call number system 2009-02-25 13:51:10 JodiS BillDueber: it's actually useful to know what you can skim faster when browsing 2009-02-25 13:51:11 akorphan LibraryThingTim_: Just an idea so far--still working on the call number index 2009-02-25 13:51:20 anarchivist pat sAJAX 2009-02-25 13:51:24 atz naomi: several ILS/discovery layers do cover flow 2009-02-25 13:51:24 wickr JodiS: are you validating at validator.w3.org? I thought RDFa basically meant your page wouldn't validate 2009-02-25 13:51:24 BigD MikeTaylor: we were demoing FIDOnet apps 2009-02-25 13:51:25 LibraryThingT I'm thinking of making GIFs with burned-in titles. I'm tired of trying to put the words on with HTML. 2009-02-25 13:51:27 MikeTaylor Whatever happened to prioritising the MAC address of the podium PC? 2009-02-25 13:51:29 djbrinley JodiS: going for some RDFa? 2009-02-25 13:51:36 JodiS JodiS really like's mikebe's browsing 2009-02-25 13:51:37 edjk djewey 2009-02-25 13:51:37 akorphan LibraryThingTim_: But for missing covers we'd draw a box the right size with a pleasing background color and maybe the author and title listed in the box. 2009-02-25 13:51:39 atz (just not as sexy as the apple application version, of course) 2009-02-25 13:51:43 naomi akorphan: talk to me, if you haven't already 2009-02-25 13:51:50 timmcgeary anarchivist: i need to put it into VuFind - we are only dewey 2009-02-25 13:51:51 JodiS wickr: yes. it DID validate at one point 2009-02-25 13:51:53 mjg_ djuvenile fiction 2009-02-25 13:51:58 akorphan naomi: On my agenda, actually. 2009-02-25 13:52:02 lbjay this is javascript? 2009-02-25 13:52:02 timmcgeary ASSkaban++ 2009-02-25 13:52:03 JodiS djbrinley: trying RDFa, not succeeding so much 2009-02-25 13:52:03 djbrinley wickr, JodiS: you can get a XHTML+RDF DTD 2009-02-25 13:52:06 mbklein az-KAY-ban++ 2009-02-25 13:52:09 akorphan naomi: Find me at beer? 2009-02-25 13:52:11 djbrinley s/RDF/RDFa/ 2009-02-25 13:52:12 atz subject: "Magic Juvenile" 2009-02-25 13:52:12 edjk AzKayBin 2009-02-25 13:52:16 LibraryThingT I like visualizations, but coverflow is very limiting. 2009-02-25 13:52:19 anarchivist anarchivist did it to dewey 2009-02-25 13:52:22 JodiS djbrinley: http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/DTD/xhtml-rdfa-1.dtd , right? 2009-02-25 13:52:25 mib_xravnv97 is that the one where snape kills dumbledore? 2009-02-25 13:52:26 obligatory @bartrnder 2009-02-25 13:52:27 LibraryThingT I don't use it on iTunes. Maybe that's just taste. 2009-02-25 13:52:27 zoia obligatory: you need to build a SOA bridge and get over it 2009-02-25 13:52:33 obligatory @bartender 2009-02-25 13:52:33 wickr djbrinley, JodiS will that pass valdiator.w3.org? 2009-02-25 13:52:35 zoia zoia fills a pint glass with Brooklyn Lager, and sends it sliding down the bar to obligatory (http://beeradvocate.com/beer/profile/45/148/) 2009-02-25 13:52:39 MrDys LibraryThingTim_: it's taste 2009-02-25 13:52:42 naomi i'm fine with coverflow. I just don't think it's sufficient. 2009-02-25 13:52:45 jrochkind102 I use coverflow on my ipod, more than on the desktop. 2009-02-25 13:52:46 LibraryThingT You use it a lot? 2009-02-25 13:52:48 mbklein @bartender obligatory 2009-02-25 13:52:50 zoia zoia fills a pint glass with Miller High Life, and sends it sliding down the bar to obligatory (http://beeradvocate.com/beer/profile/105/580/) 2009-02-25 13:52:54 MrDys LibraryThingTim_: regularly 2009-02-25 13:52:58 LibraryThingT I like words, words! :) 2009-02-25 13:53:06 obligatory @bartender royt martini 2009-02-25 13:53:08 jrochkind102 I think coverflow in a library catalog is a good way to replicate shelf-browsing for a virtual collection. 2009-02-25 13:53:08 zoia zoia fills a pint glass with De Dolle Oerbier, and sends it sliding down the bar to royt (http://beeradvocate.com/beer/profile/201/813/) 2009-02-25 13:53:13 akorphan akorphan plans cover-with-some-nice-metadata-flow 2009-02-25 13:53:15 MrDys max_headroom-- 2009-02-25 13:53:16 BigD max headroom! 2009-02-25 13:53:16 cbeer anyone tried safari 4 (and cover flow browser history, specifically?) 2009-02-25 13:53:16 anarchivist BUFFERING 2009-02-25 13:53:18 anarchivist BUFFERING 2009-02-25 13:53:18 timmcgeary anarchivist: can I see? 2009-02-25 13:53:18 dchud that dude looks EVIL 2009-02-25 13:53:19 BigD heh 2009-02-25 13:53:19 anarchivist BUFFERING 2009-02-25 13:53:21 edjk he's a cylon 2009-02-25 13:53:24 g8tor anyone @code4lib using Colloquy? How are you getting on without mibbit 2009-02-25 13:53:29 BillDueber max_headroom++ 2009-02-25 13:53:30 dchud live and direct from network 23! 2009-02-25 13:53:30 akorphan BY YOUR COMMAND 2009-02-25 13:53:31 LibraryThingT Especially in IRC. 2009-02-25 13:53:35 jrochkind102 Has he met a committee before? 2009-02-25 13:53:36 lbjay they even smell smart 2009-02-25 13:53:36 mouwd edk: that's what I thought 2009-02-25 13:53:41 rsinger the_new_yorker++ 2009-02-25 13:53:45 anarchivist timmcgeary: oh, not call numberbrowse - ingesting the top two layers of dewey into a drupal taxonomy 2009-02-25 13:53:46 erikhatcher g8tor: colloquy working fine 2009-02-25 13:53:46 dchud g8tor: i am. yesterday i couldn't. no idea why. 2009-02-25 13:53:46 naomi i think shelf browsing is incredibly hard to do on a 15" monitor 2009-02-25 13:53:47 mbklein g8tor: Some people are tunneling via ssh, and others are just getting lucky. 2009-02-25 13:53:55 JodiS g8tr: Colloquy working here, but flaky 2009-02-25 13:53:55 LibraryThingT Um, I didn't leave the chat room. 2009-02-25 13:53:57 bess g8tor: I couldn't get colloquy to work, so I'm using mibbit instead. 2009-02-25 13:53:59 timmcgeary anarchivist: ooohh 2009-02-25 13:54:01 rsinger printed_words_that_aren't_the_new_yorker-- 2009-02-25 13:54:03 JodiS the_new_yorker++ 2009-02-25 13:54:05 djbrinley djQuery, metadjefs 2009-02-25 13:54:05 robcaSSon robcaSSon is in need of some freebase to stay awake 2009-02-25 13:54:13 naomi LibraryThingTim_: we were just hoping. 2009-02-25 13:54:15 chickmarkley getting_lucky++ 2009-02-25 13:54:16 MikeTaylor IQ of committee = IQ of dumbest member divided by total number of members., 2009-02-25 13:54:19 MrDys MrDys tosses robcaSSon the pipe 2009-02-25 13:54:25 atz digital_noise-- 2009-02-25 13:54:34 anarchivist robcaSSon: how about some acid and rjw's red rocks slide again 2009-02-25 13:54:36 mbklein chickmarkley: Mentally still in Hawaii? :) 2009-02-25 13:54:39 rsinger ah 2009-02-25 13:54:40 g8tor erikhatcher: not mone by the way great presentation 2009-02-25 13:54:41 bess bess is psyched for the freebase talk 2009-02-25 13:54:48 mjg_ robcaSSon: you need to move to our table. we have a well of natural energy beneath us. 2009-02-25 13:54:52 MrDys bess: temper your expectations 2009-02-25 13:54:53 g8tor so it isn't just me others are not getting it to work 2009-02-25 13:54:53 chickmarkley mbklein:aloha 2009-02-25 13:54:56 MikeTaylor metadef sounds like a Metal band. 2009-02-25 13:54:57 BillDueber People don't want shelf browsing. They want a "find similar" feature that doesn't suck. Shelf browsing still pretty much sucks. 2009-02-25 13:55:01 mjg_ one almost gets the sense that the world is shaking. 2009-02-25 13:55:01 JodiS just a little javascript, nice 2009-02-25 13:55:11 dchud imho this is a *much* more compelling talk than the one rjw gave two years ago 2009-02-25 13:55:13 robcaSSon jquery++ 2009-02-25 13:55:15 anarchivist dchud: agreed 2009-02-25 13:55:20 mbklein @band add Metadef Leppard 2009-02-25 13:55:20 dcloutman I like shelf browsing. 2009-02-25 13:55:20 g8tor JodiS: jquery Fn rules 2009-02-25 13:55:21 zoia mbklein: Band 'Metadef Leppard' added to list 2009-02-25 13:55:25 jtgorman BillDueber++ 2009-02-25 13:55:25 akorphan akorphan wonders how many different ways we have to demarcate metadata on our pages. 2009-02-25 13:55:28 erikhatcher everyone and their brother is building javascript injections this way.... talk about the wild west! 2009-02-25 13:55:30 lbjay dchud: agreed 2009-02-25 13:55:32 jtgorman dbs++ 2009-02-25 13:55:33 anarchivist reusable_pieces++ 2009-02-25 13:55:34 jtgorman BillDueber++ 2009-02-25 13:55:36 erikhatcher jquery++ 2009-02-25 13:55:36 JodiS BillDueber: people also want collection landscape info (interesting Irish project there, not sure what the status is) 2009-02-25 13:55:38 naomi BillDueber: agreed. hence my lightning talk. 2009-02-25 13:55:38 dchud rjw++ 2009-02-25 13:55:39 jtgorman dbs++ 2009-02-25 13:55:39 lbjay dchud: much better than the title suggested 2009-02-25 13:55:45 lbjay rjw++ 2009-02-25 13:55:46 anarchivist rjw++ 2009-02-25 13:55:47 mbklein Metterdater++ 2009-02-25 13:55:51 JodiS rjw++ 2009-02-25 13:55:52 jtgorman jtgorman runs around in happy circles 2009-02-25 13:55:53 jrochkind102 I like how he pronounces it metter-datter. 2009-02-25 13:55:53 lbjay mbklein++ 2009-02-25 13:55:54 mbklein rjw++ 2009-02-25 13:55:56 jrochkind102 mbklein++ 2009-02-25 13:56:00 dbs damn, now I wish I was there! 2009-02-25 13:56:05 MrDys mattar_paneer++ 2009-02-25 13:56:05 BillDueber Finally seeing the utlity of this -- they provide libraries of "find isbn"-type methods. 2009-02-25 13:56:10 BigD Gin and Juice 2009-02-25 13:56:10 berick dbs: srsly! 2009-02-25 13:56:12 atz LibraryThingTim_: you timed out 2009-02-25 13:56:16 dchud the best reason, period. 2009-02-25 13:56:20 jrochkind102 Umluat does this too! 2009-02-25 13:56:24 mjg_ laaaaaidback 2009-02-25 13:56:34 robcaSSon robcaSSon will stick to the indo 2009-02-25 13:56:38 chickmarkley I propose hayek economic model in which JS agents bid for right to hijack items on page and augment them or link them at will 2009-02-25 13:56:41 jrochkind102 Mind on the metterdater, mettadater on my mind. 2009-02-25 13:56:43 rsinger jrochkind102: you should hook into the 'framework' 2009-02-25 13:56:44 dchud (did you see how i emphasized that "period" with a "."? stand back, i understand punctuation.) 2009-02-25 13:56:46 jmspargu jmspargu mind -> $, $ -> mind 2009-02-25 13:56:46 obligatory wonder what impact this has on page load times? 2009-02-25 13:56:53 BigD jrochkind102++ 2009-02-25 13:56:56 LibraryThingT Richard is exactly right. 2009-02-25 13:56:57 mbklein "Hey! I can cut and paste; I can lay off my OPAC developer!" 2009-02-25 13:56:58 djbrinley chickmarkley++ 2009-02-25 13:57:01 anarchivist obligatory: it's lazyloaded i'm guessing 2009-02-25 13:57:02 LibraryThingT obligatory: You attach it to the onload. 2009-02-25 13:57:05 JodiS chickmarkley++ #new economic stimulus? 2009-02-25 13:57:14 jrochkind102 rsinger: Yeah, umlaut doesn't do the part of figuring out how to scrape your OPAC page. You're on your own for that part, with Umlaut. 2009-02-25 13:57:26 mjg_ Speaking of gin and juice, I'm thinking of another "breakout" at the Temple lounge. 2009-02-25 13:57:29 jrochkind102 Umlaut does all the other parts, but not in javascript. 2009-02-25 13:57:43 BigD blimey! 2009-02-25 13:57:47 robcaSSon mjg_: +1 2009-02-25 13:57:48 LibraryThingT This is basically the LibraryThing "connector." We need to figure out if we use this, contrbute to it or what. 2009-02-25 13:57:51 chickmarkley JodiS: I'm trying to figure out how to take a cut, a portion of which I will donate to the library community 2009-02-25 13:57:56 cbarr would be nice if it worked with various js frameworks to minimize overhead. vufind uses yui. 2009-02-25 13:57:56 dcloutman templeLoungeBreakout++ 2009-02-25 13:57:59 abarrera rollin' down the street smokin indo sippin on gin n djuice 2009-02-25 13:57:59 JodiS chickmarkley++ 2009-02-25 13:58:01 anarchivist LibraryThingTim: probably both 2009-02-25 13:58:03 mib_xravnv97 anyone get that URL? 2009-02-25 13:58:05 mbklein mjg_++ eyes on the prize, my good man 2009-02-25 13:58:06 jrochkind102 Although Godmar too was trying to convince me that everything Umlaut does was better done client-side in js. 2009-02-25 13:58:06 akorphan You're going to have to hand-mark-out your metadata one way or the other, no? 2009-02-25 13:58:08 JodiS jrochkind102: more on javascript & accessibility would be useful 2009-02-25 13:58:11 anarchivist LibraryThingTim: y'all need more reusable widgets 2009-02-25 13:58:16 dlovins juice-project.code.google.com 2009-02-25 13:58:27 djbrinley jrochkind102: rebuttal time 2009-02-25 13:58:34 LibraryThingT If you ask me, this is the most important talk so far. 2009-02-25 13:58:39 BillDueber cbarr: UMICH instance of vufind pushes in jQuery, 'cause...well, 'cause I'm too lazy to do it in yui. 2009-02-25 13:58:42 akorphan jonesday.com! 2009-02-25 13:58:42 jrochkind102 I'll do a lightning talk. 2009-02-25 13:59:05 mbklein BillDueber: I <3 YUI. Now that I get it. But it was a bit of a learning curve. 2009-02-25 13:59:06 lbjay lbjay missed the google code project url for jice 2009-02-25 13:59:07 MrDys I can't tell if we should be having more lightning talks or not 2009-02-25 13:59:12 lbjay s/jice/juice/ 2009-02-25 13:59:16 anarchivist yui generis 2009-02-25 13:59:20 MrDys seems like a lot of things are suited for 5 minute demos/rebuttals 2009-02-25 13:59:21 fak3r_ now I'm thristy 2009-02-25 13:59:25 mjg_ LibraryThingTim: if you care about OPACs. :) 2009-02-25 13:59:29 djbrinley lbjay: look up about 20 lines 2009-02-25 13:59:30 mjg_ still, rjw++ # super neat. 2009-02-25 13:59:42 jrochkind102 That's LibX. 2009-02-25 13:59:52 jtgorman It took me slightly longer than BillDueber ;) 2009-02-25 13:59:52 mbklein Is djbrinley just jbrinley rewritten in django? 2009-02-25 13:59:53 LibraryThingT mjg_ Are you trying to get my blood pressure up? :) 2009-02-25 13:59:53 chickmarkley Firefox sitting idle with a few < 100 tabs consumes 18% of my cpu continuously 2009-02-25 13:59:57 khatar url doesnt work 2009-02-25 14:00:08 anarchivist chickmarkley: i've started using site specific browsers 2009-02-25 14:00:09 jrochkind102 Serous overlapping functionality here. Which I guess makes sense, we're all figuring out the right way to factor this stuff into components, and making different decisions. 2009-02-25 14:00:12 akorphan mmm... juice.... 2009-02-25 14:00:12 mjg_ LibraryThingTim: Why don't we discuss this over a QUADRUPLE ESPRESSO 2009-02-25 14:00:25 mjg_ LibraryThingTim: :) 2009-02-25 14:00:28 jrochkind102 But yeah, Godmar is probably thinking "LibX does ALL of this almost the same way you do it" right now. 2009-02-25 14:00:29 LibraryThingT Sounds relaxing. 2009-02-25 14:00:31 rsinger @throatpunch 2009-02-25 14:00:33 zoia rsinger: try the Caps Lock key? 2009-02-25 14:00:36 akorphan If I don't restart firefox on my work computer every couple of days, I find that it maxes out at consuming 1.6 gigs or so before it starts being unusable. 2009-02-25 14:00:38 jtgorman although to tell the truth, it really didn't take that long once I decided to just use the format BillDueber found since I had File_MARC... 2009-02-25 14:00:40 mib_o57zxi so how do I convince my reference librarians that users want links to amazon, google books, etc.? sitting on 2082 for months now. 2009-02-25 14:00:42 djbrinley mbklein: i djrank the djuice 2009-02-25 14:00:44 rsinger @THROATPUNCH 2009-02-25 14:00:45 zoia rsinger: http://cache.gawker.com/assets/images/consumerist/2009/01/aceadapter.jpg 2009-02-25 14:00:45 mjg_ rjw: do a djig! 2009-02-25 14:00:48 chickmarkley anarchivist: moiaussi 2009-02-25 14:00:56 charper rjw++ 2009-02-25 14:01:00 jtgorman mib_o57zxi: just do it? 2009-02-25 14:01:02 jrochkind102 akorphan: Do you have FF3? That problem went away for me with FF3. 2009-02-25 14:01:02 mbklein rsinger++ 2009-02-25 14:01:05 anarchivist chickmarkley: ah, g00d 2009-02-25 14:01:09 LibraryThingT yeah, I'd wave a pom pom if I could 2009-02-25 14:01:10 jtgorman mib_o57zxi: then track the usage 2009-02-25 14:01:13 MikeTaylor Yes, it's occurred to me that a lot of the projects we're doing here overlap with each other. I guess survival of the fittest will take care of that eventually, but of course what we really want is nice, agreed on APIs and protocols so we can mix and match components. 2009-02-25 14:01:15 anarchivist MrDys++ # making us all look like slobs 2009-02-25 14:01:16 fak3r_ akorphan: disable ext? 2009-02-25 14:01:16 akorphan jrochkind102: That's ff3 2009-02-25 14:01:22 LibraryThingT Juice needs a stats package. 2009-02-25 14:01:23 dchud mjg_: isn't quadruple espresso that new rdf store eikeon was working on? 2009-02-25 14:01:25 andyashton beards++ 2009-02-25 14:01:26 jtgorman mib_o57zxi: also, you users want a text me function for call numbers ;) 2009-02-25 14:01:28 mjg_ MrDys++ 2009-02-25 14:01:29 mib_xravnv97 adding it to the server means peeps don't have to install libx to get the dom insertion benes 2009-02-25 14:01:30 jrochkind102 mib_o57zxi: with surveys or individual comments from your users. 2009-02-25 14:01:33 obligatory rjw's slides now linked on the program 2009-02-25 14:01:34 kgs_ does the next person need to go live? cuz there's a possible solution that requires several minutes to implement if so. otherwise we'll wait til break to try it out. 2009-02-25 14:01:34 anarchivist juice + google analytics = ??? 2009-02-25 14:01:37 mjg_ MrDys: saunter on, young man. 2009-02-25 14:01:38 LibraryThingT The LT connector has one now, and libraries lurve it. 2009-02-25 14:01:42 akorphan fak3r_: hmm. 2009-02-25 14:01:48 akorphan akorphan can't live without flashblock. 2009-02-25 14:01:49 fak3r_ MikeTaylor: but as you've heard again and again, everyone talks about hashing out standards, but few do 2009-02-25 14:01:51 MikeTaylor Firefox is the very worst browser, apart from all the others. 2009-02-25 14:01:52 mbklein mib_xravnv97: (who are you?) Exactly. No plugin. 2009-02-25 14:01:58 jtgorman jrochkind102: surveys are tricky because you're asking patrons about functionality that may not be obvious to them 2009-02-25 14:02:05 jrochkind102 MikeTaylor: See, the harder part is deciding what the proper lines between 'components' are. Few of our projects are exactly parallel, rather they end up _overlapping_ in significant but less than majority ways. 2009-02-25 14:02:06 LibraryThingT Which is kinda bogus, imho. 2009-02-25 14:02:14 jtgorman jrochkind102: but they might like...that whole 'jump' 2009-02-25 14:02:16 MikeTaylor fak3r_, we have invested A LOT of time into thrashing out standards. Too much maybe :-) 2009-02-25 14:02:16 mjg_ dchud: *snort* 2009-02-25 14:02:19 mib_xravnv97 there is a joke somewhere about having a lemon for an OPAC and making juice with it 2009-02-25 14:02:23 lbjay my eyes 2009-02-25 14:02:24 MikeTaylor jr, good point. 2009-02-25 14:02:27 mjg_ MrDys++ 2009-02-25 14:02:30 akorphan contrast++ 2009-02-25 14:02:31 JodiS MikeTaylor: "what we really want is nice, agreed on APIs and protocols so we can mix and match components." So, let's make that happen. What's the first step? 2009-02-25 14:02:32 mbklein MrDys++ 2009-02-25 14:02:33 akorphan eyes_bleeding-- 2009-02-25 14:02:33 robcaSSon MrDys++ 2009-02-25 14:02:34 timmcgeary orange-- 2009-02-25 14:02:34 jrochkind102 jtgorman: True, but you can provide a mock-up. You can come up with more clever research methods too. 2009-02-25 14:02:39 fak3r_ akorphan: `killall firefox; mv ~/.mozilla ~/.mozilla-old; firefox` 2009-02-25 14:02:47 rsinger if this hurts your EYES it's coz you're OLD, GRANDPA 2009-02-25 14:02:48 mbklein MrDys++ # for doing a presentation instead of kicking my ass at video games. 2009-02-25 14:02:54 rsinger PUNK ROCK FOREVER 2009-02-25 14:02:55 lbjay intense+- 2009-02-25 14:02:55 MikeTaylor green--!!! 2009-02-25 14:02:55 mbklein IT BUUUUURRRRNS! 2009-02-25 14:02:57 edsu awesome 2009-02-25 14:02:58 naomi sean has great taste in color. 2009-02-25 14:02:59 timmcgeary green-- 2009-02-25 14:03:00 djbrinley color++ 2009-02-25 14:03:01 mjg_ MrDys says "WAKE UP YOU OLD FUCKERS" 2009-02-25 14:03:03 mbklein MrDys-- # for kicking my ass at slides 2009-02-25 14:03:04 akorphan fak3r: will try that, thanks! 2009-02-25 14:03:05 erikhatcher MrDys++ 2009-02-25 14:03:08 robcaSSon screwing_with_the_squares++ 2009-02-25 14:03:10 timmcgeary migraine_trigger-- 2009-02-25 14:03:10 ejk the taste of lymon 2009-02-25 14:03:12 codemonkey ouch.... that hurts 2009-02-25 14:03:16 anarchivist ejk++ 2009-02-25 14:03:19 kgs_ my eyeballs are bleeding 2009-02-25 14:03:34 naomi a little towards yellow -> inca cola! 2009-02-25 14:03:37 anarchivist kgs_: why don't you use the face spritz? i'm sure it'll make everything better 2009-02-25 14:03:39 anarchivist naomi++ 2009-02-25 14:03:41 dchud mib_xravnv97: see the talk titles from code4lib 2006 2009-02-25 14:03:41 LibraryThingT kinda preppy 2009-02-25 14:03:41 calvinm_ guess the next color? 2009-02-25 14:03:41 JodiS next slide please? 2009-02-25 14:03:43 mbklein kgs: Check your camera. I think Sean may have burnt out the CCD. 2009-02-25 14:03:44 anarchivist inca_kola++ 2009-02-25 14:03:45 fak3r_ krazy colours yo 2009-02-25 14:03:48 rsinger naomi: kola 2009-02-25 14:03:49 rsinger yeah 2009-02-25 14:03:52 mib_o57zxi just do it? that won't fly. nothing goes live w/o approval. not confident my users know they want it. they actually start with the catalog instead of amazon or something useful. 2009-02-25 14:03:54 anarchivist fak3r_: just wait 2009-02-25 14:03:55 akorphan promiscuous_records_policy++ 2009-02-25 14:03:57 jmspargu gin and djuice is a gateway drug. Now we're on to freebasing. 2009-02-25 14:03:57 BigD i can taste that green 2009-02-25 14:03:57 JodiS JodiS dons sunshades 2009-02-25 14:03:58 rsinger anarchivist++ 2009-02-25 14:04:02 obligatory IN SOVIET RUSSIA, NOTHING IS GREEN 2009-02-25 14:04:05 charper jrochkind102: does everyone at JHU have a large beard? 2009-02-25 14:04:10 mjg_ It's like a koala crapped a rainbow in my brain. 2009-02-25 14:04:15 JodiS blue better 2009-02-25 14:04:21 obligatory except the mold on the bread 2009-02-25 14:04:23 anarchivist charper: it's a requirement of employment 2009-02-25 14:04:28 BigD sooothing 2009-02-25 14:04:32 JodiS MQLQUERYSTRING? 2009-02-25 14:04:36 JodiS What's MQL? 2009-02-25 14:04:38 jfereira blue+yellow=green 2009-02-25 14:04:45 jrochkind102 mib_o57zxi: How do you know your users always start with the catalog and not amazon? 2009-02-25 14:04:45 lbjay JodiS: metaweb query language 2009-02-25 14:04:46 gsf @dunno search panda 2009-02-25 14:04:48 zoia gsf: 2 found: #127: "http://poopoopanda.files.wordpress.com/2008/04/..." and #185: "calm down, okay? Might I suggest RED PANDAS..." 2009-02-25 14:04:49 steambadger It's an amish IT company. 2009-02-25 14:04:52 JodiS JodiS thanks lbjay 2009-02-25 14:04:52 akorphan blue:soothing; yellow: not so much. 2009-02-25 14:04:52 akorphan Oh. 2009-02-25 14:04:54 mjg_ JodiS: he's going there, I believe 2009-02-25 14:04:56 gsf @dunno get 127 2009-02-25 14:04:57 jrochkind102 charper: Yes. Especially the women. 2009-02-25 14:04:57 zoia gsf: Dunno #127: "http://poopoopanda.files.wordpress.com/2008/04/poster63512997.jpg" (added by gsf at 12:40 PM, June 05, 2008) 2009-02-25 14:04:59 JodiS JodiS nods 2009-02-25 14:05:06 MikeTaylor JodiS, I think the first step is for us all to sign up to RESTfulness. It took quite a while for me before I got it, then I was al Ooooooohhhhhh, _I_ get it. 2009-02-25 14:05:07 JodiS no, it's JSON JSON JSON 2009-02-25 14:05:10 BigD spam 2009-02-25 14:05:10 naomi jonathan: your job is to review sean's color choices for ppt slides ... 2009-02-25 14:05:14 ruest badgers badgers badgers 2009-02-25 14:05:21 BigD MUSHROOM 2009-02-25 14:05:22 mjg_ json json json json json json SNAKE SNAKE 2009-02-25 14:05:24 timmcgeary were the backgrounds stolen from atari? 2009-02-25 14:05:25 anarchivist json_strips++ 2009-02-25 14:05:26 JodiS mjg++ 2009-02-25 14:05:27 ejk JSON JSON eggs sausage and JSON 2009-02-25 14:05:27 robcaSSon marcia marcia marcia 2009-02-25 14:05:34 jrochkind102 MrDys's beard used to be one of the biggest beards I'd ever seen, this is actually the trimmed version. 2009-02-25 14:05:34 mib_o57zxi re: how do I know? that is one thing I've asked some. (assumption: representative) 2009-02-25 14:05:36 kgs_ My First Powerpoint (TM) 2009-02-25 14:05:43 ruest mjg++ 2009-02-25 14:05:44 lbjay From: MrDys 2009-02-25 14:05:46 JodiS MikeTaylor: are there serious alternatives to REST? Or just laziness/stuff not under our control? 2009-02-25 14:05:48 jfereira we don' need no steenkin' badgers 2009-02-25 14:05:49 BigD everyone drinks when he says json 2009-02-25 14:05:51 lbjay To: the slide police 2009-02-25 14:05:59 ejk fgcolor=rand(); bgcolor=rand(); 2009-02-25 14:06:00 mbs do the colors match the tie? 2009-02-25 14:06:09 lbjay Subject: GTFO 2009-02-25 14:06:10 scotchko those colors make me nauseous 2009-02-25 14:06:11 mib_fhntkl oooh, electric slide! 2009-02-25 14:06:12 lbjay EOM 2009-02-25 14:06:21 scotchko BigD: i'm in 2009-02-25 14:06:22 JodiS AcademyAwards-- 2009-02-25 14:06:23 BigD can anything match that tie? 2009-02-25 14:06:25 LibraryThingT They remind me of sherbet. 2009-02-25 14:06:28 scotchko JSON JSON JSON 2009-02-25 14:06:29 jrochkind102 mib_o57zxi: I'd bet you money that many of your users, much of the time, search on amazon for books. 2009-02-25 14:06:41 mbs ass++ 2009-02-25 14:06:42 anarchivist LibraryThingTim: it's to cleanse your palate :) 2009-02-25 14:06:45 mib_fhntkl BigD: I can't see the tie anymore...just pink 2009-02-25 14:06:46 JodiS IMDB breaks, but freebase won't? 2009-02-25 14:06:53 timmcgeary brown on white ++ 2009-02-25 14:06:58 mjg_ Subtitle of this talk: JSON and the Psychonauts 2009-02-25 14:06:59 jrochkind102 Those colors aren't random, I bet MrDys very carefully picked them. You just don't like them. 2009-02-25 14:07:02 BigD mmm, sherbet 2009-02-25 14:07:04 obligatory @hosts2010 2009-02-25 14:07:05 zoia obligatory: Asheville, NC [271]; Austin, TX [253]; Madison, WI [206]; Columbus, OH [147]; Bloomington, IN [121] 2009-02-25 14:07:08 lbjay IT"S A RICKROOLL! 2009-02-25 14:07:12 MikeTaylor JodiS, I think the first step is for us all to sign up to RESTfulness. It took quite a while for me before I got it, then I was al Ooooooohhhhhh, _I_ get it. 2009-02-25 14:07:12 MikeTaylor I am going to have to look away from this talk. 2009-02-25 14:07:25 timmcgeary @hosts2011 2009-02-25 14:07:25 zoia timmcgeary: Panic, Pennsylvania [92]; Cold Foot, Alaska [75]; Uncertain, Texas [74]; Gross, Nebraska [73]; Rambo Riviera, Arkansas [63]; Koopa, Colorado [16]; Odd, West Virginia [9] 2009-02-25 14:07:26 JodiS code4lib.mrdys.user.dev.freebaseapps.com 2009-02-25 14:07:30 kgs_ Easter colors! 2009-02-25 14:07:33 edsu sql++ 2009-02-25 14:07:33 JodiS http://code4lib.mrdys.user.dev.freebaseapps.com -- MrDys app to clone 2009-02-25 14:07:44 JodiS how do I clone an app? sign up first, I guess 2009-02-25 14:07:46 MikeTaylor JodiS, I think that the alternative to REST is whatever happens when we design web-services WITHOUT consciously thinking about RESTy principles. Not that they are rocket-science, really: when it comes down to it, I think REST just means "HTTP done right". But that is a big step. 2009-02-25 14:07:51 mjg_ in MrDys's brain when he thunk up these slides: "SELECT awful FROM colors;" 2009-02-25 14:07:52 BigD i invented jasql 2009-02-25 14:07:57 gsf mql++ fits my brain 2009-02-25 14:08:01 naomi isn't that, like, swearing on national tv? 2009-02-25 14:08:01 naomi LibraryThingTim: his tie yesterday can match it. 2009-02-25 14:08:01 naomi ... inca ... kola ... 2009-02-25 14:08:05 naomi isn't that, like, swearing on national tv? 2009-02-25 14:08:05 naomi LibraryThingTim: his tie yesterday can match it. 2009-02-25 14:08:05 naomi ... inca ... kola ... 2009-02-25 14:08:10 gsf MrDys++ for the sql to mql translation 2009-02-25 14:08:16 JodiS MikeTaylor: ok. So, step 1 is REST. How do we get REST from our (other) vendors? 2009-02-25 14:08:44 naomi MQL > XML in slides? 2009-02-25 14:08:47 djbrinley why is the connection better in the mornings than in the afternoons? 2009-02-25 14:08:49 edsu the query by example is very similar to sparql 2009-02-25 14:08:50 rsinger JodiS: ... 2009-02-25 14:08:58 abarrera MrDys is trying to hypnotize the audience 2009-02-25 14:09:03 scotchko this is query language looks terrible 2009-02-25 14:09:05 lbjay is "type" not 1:many? 2009-02-25 14:09:10 MikeTaylor (Sorry my replies are so lumpy; I am getting silence for a minute or two, then an instant flood of messages.) 2009-02-25 14:09:12 BigD djbrinley: sunspots 2009-02-25 14:09:23 scotchko is it so hard to write a decent query parser, this is so much of a downer after the pretty cool citation parsing thing 2009-02-25 14:09:23 JodiS MikeTaylor: np. network-- autobahn-- 2009-02-25 14:09:32 wtd I wonder if he paints his aparrtment those colours. 2009-02-25 14:09:32 BillDueber scotchko: It's not so much a query language as an assertion set. 2009-02-25 14:09:33 mib_xravnv97 what does M in MQL staqnd for? 2009-02-25 14:09:33 mjg_ or liver spots for BigD 2009-02-25 14:09:48 BigD mjg_ i don't have a liver anymore 2009-02-25 14:09:49 mjg_ MONKEY 2009-02-25 14:09:55 rsinger JodiS: what do you think i'm trying to do? 2009-02-25 14:09:56 djbrinley JodiS: put a wrapper around them 2009-02-25 14:10:00 mib_xravnv97 ah... thanks mjg 2009-02-25 14:10:04 MikeTaylor JodiS: if I knew that, I'd be out there coercing them all intead of typing this. 2009-02-25 14:10:05 mib_fhntkl monkey++ 2009-02-25 14:10:05 naomi MrDys: bullets_in_slides-- 2009-02-25 14:10:17 jrochkind102 MONGOOSE 2009-02-25 14:10:20 MikeTaylor The Information SuperGardenPah,. 2009-02-25 14:10:26 scotchko BillDueber: agree, mql is a misnomer 2009-02-25 14:10:26 akorphan json_pronounced_like_the_name++ 2009-02-25 14:10:27 rsinger @sing squirrel nut zippers : truant macaque 2009-02-25 14:10:29 BigD RIKITIKITAVI! 2009-02-25 14:10:30 zoia rsinger: No lyrics for truant macaque by squirrel nut zippers. Searched lyricwiki & lyricsty 2009-02-25 14:10:30 mjg_ @google mql 2009-02-25 14:10:32 zoia mjg_: Search took 0.15 seconds: MQL4: automated forex trading, strategy tester and custom ...: ; emdros: A Corpus Query System. MQL query language: ; MQL - What does MQL stand for? Acronyms and abbreviations by the ...: ; MetaQuotes Language 4 - MQL4: ; The Complete Metaweb Query Language (2 more messages) 2009-02-25 14:10:35 JodiS rsinger: you rock! 2009-02-25 14:10:54 JodiS rsinger: so, you think jangle will fix step 1? 2009-02-25 14:10:55 ejk jaysahn++ 2009-02-25 14:10:55 steambadger MetaQuotes Language? 2009-02-25 14:11:06 mjg_ json++ 2009-02-25 14:11:08 anarchivist @canuck json 2009-02-25 14:11:09 zoia anarchivist: json, eh? 2009-02-25 14:11:10 mbklein @acronym xql 2009-02-25 14:11:12 zoia mbklein: An error has occurred and has been logged. 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Please contact this bot's administrator for more information. 2009-02-25 14:11:19 naomi sean's next career: fashion designer 2009-02-25 14:11:21 mjg_ @cyborg mql 2009-02-25 14:11:23 zoia mjg_: M.Q.L.: Mechanical Quantum Lifeform 2009-02-25 14:11:25 JodiS steambadger: metaweb language. metaweb == parent of freebase (company name) 2009-02-25 14:11:27 rsinger JodiS: that is the intention 2009-02-25 14:11:31 Kerwick rainbow_sherbert++ 2009-02-25 14:11:36 obligatory WTF? yet another templating language? 2009-02-25 14:11:36 lbjay MrDys++ # rainbow gradients 2009-02-25 14:11:43 timmcgeary i'm suddenly craving lifesavers 2009-02-25 14:11:48 anarchivist sirsidynix_urls-- 2009-02-25 14:11:52 kgs_ that's the GLBT-supportive slide 2009-02-25 14:11:56 anarchivist hervert_sherbet++ 2009-02-25 14:11:56 JodiS rsinger: ok. sorry to be dense ;) what else needs to be done? 2009-02-25 14:11:59 mbklein implicit_looping++ 2009-02-25 14:11:59 akorphan @cyborg zzz 2009-02-25 14:12:00 zoia akorphan: Z.Z.Z.: Zealous Zoology Zombie 2009-02-25 14:12:01 abarrera skittles_background++ 2009-02-25 14:12:04 mjg_ anarchivist++ 2009-02-25 14:12:05 obligatory kgs++ 2009-02-25 14:12:09 JodiS kgs_: still not easy to look at 2009-02-25 14:12:09 BigD naomi: he'd be so HOT on that designer show with heidi klum i can't remember! 2009-02-25 14:12:11 anarchivist TASTE THE RAINBOW 2009-02-25 14:12:11 MikeTaylor I do think that everyone is gradually Getting It, though (us included -- I don't want to give the impression that I think ID has got it all sorted and we're just waiting for the rest of you to catch up!) 2009-02-25 14:12:13 rsinger JodiS: to get REST? 2009-02-25 14:12:16 MikeTaylor @rank rest soap 2009-02-25 14:12:17 naomi sirsidynix-- 2009-02-25 14:12:18 zoia MikeTaylor: tumidity terrifies cravenness 2009-02-25 14:12:29 scotchko sorry to say, every next slides makes me like it less and less 2009-02-25 14:12:33 lbjay an oasis of black on white 2009-02-25 14:12:40 gsf subquerying? awesome 2009-02-25 14:12:42 bess JodiS: jangle is the spec for standarding restful access to ILSes 2009-02-25 14:12:45 Kerwick lbjay++ 2009-02-25 14:12:49 naomi kgs_+++ 2009-02-25 14:12:50 anarchivist gsf: agreed 2009-02-25 14:12:52 lbjay ahhh 2009-02-25 14:13:04 rsinger s/ILSes/things/ 2009-02-25 14:13:07 MikeTaylor You are lost in a maze of twisty background colours, all different. 2009-02-25 14:13:16 mbklein mbklein kgs: Earlier when we were discussing the hybrid lbjay/royt creature, I thought about naming it lbyt, but that looks more like some kind of awareness organization. Though what the Y stands for is anyone's guess. 2009-02-25 14:13:17 bess JodiS: and we're well on track for having connectors for most of the commercial ILSes, plus the open source ones, plus Fedora, all with the same RESTful interface 2009-02-25 14:13:17 cbarr where is the Animal Collective soundtrack for this presentation? 2009-02-25 14:13:22 andyashton groovy 2009-02-25 14:13:23 mjg_ I think I'm having a fever dream. 2009-02-25 14:13:25 JodiS bess: ok, I know 2009-02-25 14:13:26 bess JodiS: pretty damn cool once we do it. 2009-02-25 14:13:29 anarchivist cbarr++ 2009-02-25 14:13:32 JodiS bess: cool indeed! 2009-02-25 14:13:40 naomi MikeTaylor++ 2009-02-25 14:13:40 BigD reminds me of the screen saver called Plasma 2009-02-25 14:13:42 mbklein bess++ VERY cool 2009-02-25 14:13:44 bess JodiS: I guess I didn't understand your question then. What were you asking? 2009-02-25 14:13:48 scotchko what if you want ot do an ORed search or exculde some terms? 2009-02-25 14:13:50 obligatory @cyborg lbyt 2009-02-25 14:13:52 zoia obligatory: L.B.Y.T.: Logical Battle and Yelling Technician 2009-02-25 14:13:53 rsinger i saw this slide getting made and it turned out exactly as i expected 2009-02-25 14:13:54 rsinger oh 2009-02-25 14:13:55 wtd My eyes! My beautiful eyes! 2009-02-25 14:13:57 JodiS bess, rsinger: this started with MikeTaylor looking at commonality between juice and libx2.0, and jrochkind saying 'well, I guess we have to try it before we can standardize'. So larger question is THAT... REST==MikeTaylor's idea of first step. Capice? 2009-02-25 14:14:09 ejk Dang, I was supposed to start Dark Side of the Moon at the first slide change 2009-02-25 14:14:10 jtgorman jtgorman notes he's spent more time emailing/doing subcommittee meetings for this refworks/endnote export than he has actually working on the code 2009-02-25 14:14:11 lbjay @wordstats eyes 2009-02-25 14:14:12 zoia lbjay: Error: "eyes" doesn't look like a word I'm keeping stats on or a user in my database. 2009-02-25 14:14:17 cbarr http://www.paperrad.org 2009-02-25 14:14:21 erikhatcher psychadelic! 2009-02-25 14:14:22 jtgorman jtgorman chides himself for letting that happen 2009-02-25 14:14:28 mbklein ejk++ 2009-02-25 14:14:36 mjg_ the white slides are kinda like quiet moments in Mogwai tunes. 2009-02-25 14:14:37 Janusman Janusman wonders if c4l is on lunch break or is everyone ignoring the presentations? 2009-02-25 14:14:42 jtgorman jtgorman starts mentally shifting gears to work on another one of his projects 2009-02-25 14:14:46 kgs_ @song 2009-02-25 14:14:46 rsinger i guess i don't see the connection 2009-02-25 14:14:47 zoia kgs_: i think the lambada calculus could shed some light on your problem 2009-02-25 14:14:53 harmless harmless waits for animated colour cycling... 2009-02-25 14:14:55 kgs_ @lyrics 2009-02-25 14:14:57 zoia kgs_: Work involves walking, talking, hearing, using hands to handle, feel or operate objects, tools, or controls, and reaching with hands and arms. Vision abilities required by this job include close vision and the ability to adjust focus. 2009-02-25 14:15:05 kgs_ @sing 2009-02-25 14:15:05 zoia kgs_: (sing ) -- Usage: sing artist [: title] [: | line | pattern] -- Example: @sing bon jovi : wanted dead or alive -- Fetches lyrics from LyricWiki.org 2009-02-25 14:15:07 djbrinley Janusman: you'd ignore these slides if you could 2009-02-25 14:15:08 jfereira tiedye 2009-02-25 14:15:11 Kerwick Janusman: we are listening, we just can't stare at the slides without burning our eyes out 2009-02-25 14:15:12 jtgorman Janusman: you can tell when it's lunch because that's when people aren't in channel ;) 2009-02-25 14:15:19 MikeTaylor Just to be clear, I am not at all claiming that REST is The Answer -- just that it helps us to think in ways that are more likely to help us find answers. 2009-02-25 14:15:20 kgs_ @sing jimi hendrix purple haze 2009-02-25 14:15:22 zoia kgs_: No songs found by jimi hendrix purple haze 2009-02-25 14:15:28 Janusman =) 2009-02-25 14:15:36 lbjay @ana kinda like a join 2009-02-25 14:15:38 zoia lbjay: OK jail inane kid 2009-02-25 14:15:40 kgs_ @sing jimi hendrix : purple haze 2009-02-25 14:15:41 zoia Purple haze all over my brain / Lately things don't seem the same / Actin' funny, but I don't know why / 'Scuse me while I kiss the sky 2009-02-25 14:15:45 akorphan @sing the cure : so what 2009-02-25 14:15:47 zoia Give your cakes and pies a professional look / With this superb decorating set... / I'm not meant to be here / But so what? 2009-02-25 14:15:47 erikhatcher more like magic mushrooming than freebasing 2009-02-25 14:15:47 erikhatcher boring, black on white 2009-02-25 14:15:50 gsf mbklein: http://rc98.net/zoialog 2009-02-25 14:15:54 rsinger i mean, i don't see where REST comes into play for a 'js widget framework' 2009-02-25 14:15:57 mib_xravnv97 so basically this is about using MQL (whatever that stands for? monkey, perhaps?) to query freebase databases... amirite? 2009-02-25 14:15:57 mjg_ I am amazed that so much sound can escape the hirsute gravity of that man's face. 2009-02-25 14:16:08 Janusman Janusman didn't get a new version of Millennium-Drupal module out in time for c4l :6 2009-02-25 14:16:11 JodiS Janusman: MrDys talking about freebase, http://code4lib.mrdys.user.dev.freebaseapps.com/ 2009-02-25 14:16:22 akorphan normal colored slide! 2009-02-25 14:16:25 JodiS Janusman: c4l10! 2009-02-25 14:16:27 JodiS white++ 2009-02-25 14:16:31 akorphan this_slide++ 2009-02-25 14:16:31 mjg_ the "event hairizon" of sorts 2009-02-25 14:16:37 obligatory did he run out of colors? 2009-02-25 14:16:42 Janusman JodiS: =) 2009-02-25 14:16:45 ejk mjg_++ 2009-02-25 14:16:49 erikhatcher rsinger: REST is so abused as a term... anyone with an HTTP interface says they're REST these days. (even Solr kinda says that, but it's a lie) 2009-02-25 14:16:50 Kerwick @sing pink floyd : comfortably numb 2009-02-25 14:16:52 zoia Now I've got that feeling once again / I can't explain, you would not understand / This is not how I am / I have become comfortably numb 2009-02-25 14:16:58 BigD RESTian 2009-02-25 14:17:09 scotchko erikhatcher: agree 2009-02-25 14:17:12 fak3r Janusman: I was looking at that last week, looked cool 2009-02-25 14:17:13 smkiewel floyd++ 2009-02-25 14:17:13 jwn ran out of way colorful backgrounds 2009-02-25 14:17:20 obligatory mjg_'s neck ferret is jealous of MrDys' face bear 2009-02-25 14:17:27 scotchko REST is so much more then XMLoverHTTP 2009-02-25 14:17:28 MikeTaylor Right, Erik. I was guilty of the same thing for a long time -- I even used to say that SRU was RESTful. (blush) 2009-02-25 14:17:31 mjg_ obligatory++ 2009-02-25 14:17:35 gsf hope no one is using sensitive passwords for identifying with zoia 2009-02-25 14:17:36 rsinger face_bear++ 2009-02-25 14:17:44 liza31337 There weren't any more colors 2009-02-25 14:17:48 mbklein MrDys is giving up coding in favor of electro-batik 2009-02-25 14:17:49 fak3r he keeps saying sort, but I think he's saying "sword" 2009-02-25 14:17:50 mbklein MrDys is giving up coding in favor of electro-batik 2009-02-25 14:17:50 mbklein @sing jimi hendrix : purple haze 2009-02-25 14:17:52 zoia Purple haze all over my brain / Lately things don't seem the same / Actin' funny, but I don't know why / 'Scuse me while I kiss the sky 2009-02-25 14:17:53 akorphan I once had a math prof who explained why they don't use a dot to represent inner product in linear algebra: 2009-02-25 14:17:56 JodiS liza31337: white is ALL the colors! 2009-02-25 14:17:56 mbklein MrDys is giving up coding in favor of electro-batik 2009-02-25 14:17:56 mbklein @sing jimi hendrix : purple haze 2009-02-25 14:17:57 Janusman fak3r: thanks, just put in 500% faster crawl (at least for our OPAC) =) 2009-02-25 14:17:58 zoia Purple haze all over my brain / Lately things don't seem the same / Actin' funny, but I don't know why / 'Scuse me while I kiss the sky 2009-02-25 14:18:01 jmspargu @sing prince : purple rain 2009-02-25 14:18:02 zoia I never meant to cause you any sorrow / I never meant to cause you any pain / I only wanted one time to see you laughing / I only want to see you laughing in the purple rain 2009-02-25 14:18:11 mbklein If it's not the colors it's the curly braces. 2009-02-25 14:18:13 zoia New news from planetcode4lib: Cohen, Dan: The American Historical Association Announces the Roy Rosenzweig Fellowship for Innovation in Digital History || Engard, Nicole: New Facebook Pages Layout || del.icio.us: http://code4lib.mrdys.user.dev.freebaseapps.com/ || del.icio.us: juice-proje 2009-02-25 14:18:17 djbrinley @pirate [sing jimi hendrix : purple haze] 2009-02-25 14:18:18 jwn so who was the youngest academy award winner this year? 2009-02-25 14:18:18 akorphan "We don't use a dot because we want to avoid notation that's overused. So instead, we do it as an ordered pair in parentheses." 2009-02-25 14:18:19 zoia djbrinley: Purple haze all over me brain / Lately thin's don't seem th' same / Actin' hardyharhar, but I don't be knowin' why / 'Scuse me while I kiss th' sky 2009-02-25 14:18:23 robcaSSon mbklein++ # electro-batik 2009-02-25 14:18:26 fak3r http://online.fail.ftw/ 2009-02-25 14:18:29 mjg_ jwn: Ledger 2009-02-25 14:18:30 gsf his background now contains ALL the colors 2009-02-25 14:18:34 MikeTaylor Oh, "sort" -- that makes WAY more sense. 2009-02-25 14:18:39 djbrinley @ana Actin' hardyharhar 2009-02-25 14:18:39 scotchko but what REST gives you is a uniform interface - that's very useful when creating interoperable services 2009-02-25 14:18:40 rsinger @sing prince : purple tie, purple sweater, purple slides 2009-02-25 14:18:40 zoia djbrinley: Ha Ha! Randy, rich rat 2009-02-25 14:18:43 zoia rsinger: No lyrics for purple tie, purple sweater, purple slides by prince. Searched lyricwiki & lyricsty 2009-02-25 14:18:43 mjg_ acc. to Stefano at least. 2009-02-25 14:18:44 steambadger We're querying this db using the music of the Modern Jazz Quartet? 2009-02-25 14:18:51 liza31337 I should stop blindly typing laggy 'sudo rm' commands on a remote server and hitting enter before I see what I actually typed 2009-02-25 14:18:52 kgs_ @lolz [sing jimi hendrix : purple haze] 2009-02-25 14:18:55 zoia An error has occurred and has been logged. Please contact this bot's administrator for more information. 2009-02-25 14:18:56 obligatory @sing king crimson 2009-02-25 14:18:57 zoia Instrumental 2009-02-25 14:18:59 JodiS scotchko: uniform ~= standard, yeah, I get that 2009-02-25 2009-02-25 2009-02-25 14:19:24 -!-| Irssi: #code4lib: Total of 126 nicks 0 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 126 normal 2009-02-25 14:19:24 rsinger scotchko: i don't think REST gives you that 2009-02-25 14:19:24 zoia now entering the ring: jay filthy luker 2009-02-25 14:19:25 -!-| Irssi: Channel: Join to #code4lib was synced in 4 secs 2009-02-25 14:19:28 fak3r developing in a browser window sounds like hell to me 2009-02-25 14:19:31 erikhatcher one of these days someone will contribute a new Solr servlet filter (that's all that fronts what's underneath) that does paths differently, and uses DELETE properly, etc. so in theory it's trivial to put true REST semantics on top of a Solr 2009-02-25 14:19:37 dchud neato, am writing braindead marc queries in javascript w/couchdb. not as nice as MQL but i could see how to mimic MQL. 2009-02-25 14:19:46 scotchko unlike SOAP where instead of having unfoirm interface you try to describe your interface and hope that somebody will be able to figure out the semantics behind it 2009-02-25 14:19:55 MikeTaylor Jakub, are using "=~" to mean "not equal" or "regular expression match"? 2009-02-25 14:19:57 gsf mbklein: but can be changed if necessary 2009-02-25 14:20:02 mbklein gsf++ thanks 2009-02-25 14:20:10 akorphan how many query languages do we need? 2009-02-25 14:20:17 rsinger scotchko: really, i don't see how REST changes that 2009-02-25 14:20:24 robcaSSon freebase++ 2009-02-25 14:20:28 gsf mbklein: not a fan of all the feed activity 2009-02-25 14:20:32 jfereira @sing King Crimson : Cat Food 2009-02-25 14:20:32 JodiS Have a freebase login, now trying to figure out where to go to clone MrDys' app 2009-02-25 14:20:34 zoia No use to complain / If you're caught out in the rain; / Your mother's quite insane. / Cat food cat food cat food again. 2009-02-25 14:20:44 mbklein heh "URLError: " 2009-02-25 14:20:53 MikeTaylor One; CQL. 2009-02-25 14:20:54 gsf feeds== 2009-02-25 14:20:56 mbklein speaklolcat.com has cut us off explicitly. 2009-02-25 14:20:58 gsf feeds-- 2009-02-25 14:21:05 JodiS MikeTaylor: ~= as approx. equal 2009-02-25 14:21:17 fak3r @sing Violent Femmes : Blister In The Sun 2009-02-25 14:21:19 zoia When I'm out walkin', I strut my stuff -- yeah, I'm so strung out. / I'm high as a kite; I just might stop to check you out. / Let me go on... like I blister in the sun. / Let me go on... big hands, I know you're the one. 2009-02-25 14:21:25 MikeTaylor Let's put it this way: while we can all agree that REST is not a silver bullet, it does at least seem to be a zinc bullet. 2009-02-25 14:21:25 scotchko rsinger: REST is all about a strict CRUD interface, you have four operations and that;s it 2009-02-25 14:21:31 scotchko isn't that uniform? 2009-02-25 14:21:46 jwn at elast he had his cardigan swaeter on 2009-02-25 14:21:49 mbklein @unload lolz 2009-02-25 14:21:50 zoia mbklein: The operation succeeded. 2009-02-25 14:21:52 mjg_ I am now in withdrawal. ONE MORE FIX, MrDys! 2009-02-25 14:21:53 rsinger scotchko: sure -- but how do you have any idea what to apply that against? 2009-02-25 14:21:54 dchud MrDys++ # great demo! 2009-02-25 14:21:55 MikeTaylor It doesn't help that there doesn't seem to be a lot of good REST documentation out there. 2009-02-25 14:22:01 abarrera mjg_: go describe the templeBreakOut 2009-02-25 14:22:03 lbjay wow my irssi channel log was at 26MB 2009-02-25 14:22:06 JodiS @votes2010 2009-02-25 14:22:07 rsinger MrDys: yeah, awesome 2009-02-25 14:22:08 zoia JodiS: a chinferret? see http://www.tricyclebicyclecycle.org/dys/mg.jpg 2009-02-25 14:22:08 robcaSSon MrDys++ 2009-02-25 14:22:12 MrDys JodiS: were you able to clone it? 2009-02-25 14:22:14 obligatory @hosts2010 2009-02-25 14:22:15 rsinger MrDys: the SQUARES couldn't HANDLE IT 2009-02-25 14:22:15 zoia obligatory: Asheville, NC [271]; Austin, TX [259]; Madison, WI [209]; Columbus, OH [147]; Bloomington, IN [121] 2009-02-25 14:22:15 JodiS @code4lib2010 2009-02-25 14:22:17 zoia JodiS: Oh, we're going to post that job any day now - honest! 2009-02-25 14:22:18 wtd Seven corners in this room? Now that's non-Euclidean geometry. 2009-02-25 14:22:18 JodiS obligatory++ 2009-02-25 14:22:19 dchud gyrelow? 2009-02-25 14:22:20 mbklein Gee-Larry-Oh? 2009-02-25 14:22:21 liza31337 lounge++ 2009-02-25 14:22:23 mjg_ MIKE GELATO 2009-02-25 14:22:25 djbrinley "gilario" 2009-02-25 14:22:26 robcaSSon squares-- 2009-02-25 14:22:27 decasm gilario 2009-02-25 14:22:29 anarchivist gerardo 2009-02-25 14:22:31 dchud mmm, gelato... 2009-02-25 14:22:31 BigD jellybellyario 2009-02-25 14:22:32 JodiS MrDys: no, where do I go to do that? 2009-02-25 14:22:33 gsf mike jellyhairlio 2009-02-25 14:22:34 anarchivist rico_suave 2009-02-25 14:22:34 lbjay gilario++ 2009-02-25 14:22:39 mbklein giardia 2009-02-25 14:22:39 edsu sn't it gigaloario? 2009-02-25 14:22:40 miker_ mjg_: mike "meatface" gelato 2009-02-25 14:22:46 JodiS MrDys: started at http://acre.freebase.com/ 2009-02-25 14:22:46 mjg_ gsf++ 2009-02-25 14:22:47 decasm gigalo 2009-02-25 14:22:51 anarchivist we made dchud crack up 2009-02-25 14:22:56 Kerwick wtd: actually 8, but we need to negate gravity to use all of them ;-) 2009-02-25 14:23:00 BigD more like giggle-alo 2009-02-25 14:23:00 edsu miker_++ 2009-02-25 14:23:00 jrochkind102 NOT QUICK ENOUGH. 2009-02-25 14:23:01 MrDys JodiS: go to http://acre.freebase.com, and in the box that comes up, one of the tabs is called "apps by user" put in "mrdys" and you will see everything I've made 2009-02-25 14:23:02 mjg_ ecorrado++ # I'm coming for you, you son of a bitch. 2009-02-25 14:23:02 anarchivist he's turning red in the face 2009-02-25 14:23:04 scotchko you obviously need to know the entities (resources) the system uses, but you discover the functionlity on your own 2009-02-25 14:23:10 edsu i can hear him 2009-02-25 14:23:14 scotchko that;s muhc simpler 2009-02-25 14:23:18 edsu in the back :) 2009-02-25 14:23:25 akorphan these descriptions are not much more helpful than the list of choices. 2009-02-25 14:23:30 mbklein RIP Lolz (for now) 2009-02-25 14:23:33 rsinger mjg_: hey, jello head -- are you going to announce 'temple breakout'? 2009-02-25 14:23:40 miker_ miker_ == mike "meatface" r_ 2009-02-25 14:23:51 mjg_ ecorrado: You may feel safe standing up there on the podium, but hell awaits you in IRC. 2009-02-25 14:23:52 MikeTaylor It doesn't help that there doesn't seem to be a lot of good REST documentation out there. 2009-02-25 14:23:52 MikeTaylor Which may be because it's more of a philosophy than a technology. 2009-02-25 14:24:00 edsu "smash glass breakout" 2009-02-25 14:24:04 MrDys JodiS: it will also probably show up in the "recent apps" tab named Code4Lib 2009-02-25 14:24:07 wickr akorphan++ 2009-02-25 14:24:08 mbklein kgs++ 2009-02-25 14:24:11 lbjay kgs++ 2009-02-25 14:24:14 jrochkind102 I'd like o sell you a bridge. 2009-02-25 14:24:16 BigD shampoobottle++ 2009-02-25 14:24:16 anarchivist @quote add < dchud > sometimes you're just in the mood to get tickled 2009-02-25 14:24:17 zoia anarchivist: The operation succeeded. Quote #1747 added. 2009-02-25 14:24:18 mbklein A breakin session would be more exciting, I think. 2009-02-25 14:24:26 jrochkind102 what happened to blacklight? 2009-02-25 14:24:26 dchud THAT IS SO TRUE 2009-02-25 14:24:29 jrochkind102 aha! 2009-02-25 14:24:31 mjg_ ecorrado: enjoy your life while it lasts. 2009-02-25 14:24:43 robcaSSon mbklein++ # get out of my brain 2009-02-25 14:24:43 mbklein Blacklight in the Candle Room 2009-02-25 14:24:44 scotchko yeah, Mike REST is an architecture and HTTP is a specific implementation of that architecture 2009-02-25 14:24:45 mjg_ JELLO HAIR FURY 2009-02-25 14:24:45 abarrera show of hands for Temple 2009-02-25 14:24:58 edsu unbreakout 2009-02-25 14:24:58 lbjay *crickets* 2009-02-25 14:24:59 erikhatcher edsu++ 2009-02-25 14:25:03 naomi i think the really small talks should go to a hotel room. 2009-02-25 14:25:10 akorphan breakin? 2009-02-25 14:25:14 dchud jar leo 2009-02-25 14:25:18 anarchivist @herald gett mbklein 2009-02-25 14:25:19 zoia anarchivist: That's pretty sick, you might want to cleanse your palate with http://mintymlp.blogspot.com/ 2009-02-25 14:25:20 edsu breakdance 2009-02-25 14:25:21 anarchivist @herald get mbklein 2009-02-25 14:25:22 zoia anarchivist: ALL RISE 2009-02-25 14:25:25 JodiS MrDys: ok, found the html view. where do I clone? 2009-02-25 14:25:28 dchud @dance 2009-02-25 14:25:30 zoia o/ 2009-02-25 14:25:31 zoia /| 2009-02-25 14:25:31 liza31337 breakup 2009-02-25 14:25:32 zoia >> 2009-02-25 14:25:38 dchud aww 2009-02-25 14:25:40 mjg_ @mf ecorrado 2009-02-25 14:25:41 zoia Hey, ecorrado... 2009-02-25 14:25:42 zoia .-. 2009-02-25 14:25:43 zoia |-| 2009-02-25 14:25:44 zoia | | 2009-02-25 14:25:46 zoia _.-|=|-. 2009-02-25 14:25:46 zoia / | | | | 2009-02-25 14:25:47 zoia | |\ 2009-02-25 14:25:48 zoia | / 2009-02-25 14:25:49 zoia \ /` 2009-02-25 14:25:50 mbklein BLACKLIGHT IN THE FING CANDLE ROOM 2009-02-25 14:25:50 zoia | | 2009-02-25 14:25:54 mbklein NOOOOOOO 2009-02-25 14:26:02 erikhatcher ahhh, mozart 2009-02-25 14:26:04 dchud i'm going to sit somewhere and hack on marc in couchdb w/javascript 2009-02-25 14:26:04 mbklein ecorrado Mind Read Fail 2009-02-25 14:26:07 timmcgeary get a handel on scriblio 2009-02-25 14:26:07 scotchko whats the search engine thing about 2009-02-25 14:26:09 mjg_ ecorrado: "corrado", you poser. 2009-02-25 14:26:09 scotchko ? 2009-02-25 14:26:15 anarchivist dchud: i might join you for that 2009-02-25 14:26:21 mjg_ I AM GOING TO DRINK IN THE LOUNGE 2009-02-25 14:26:22 anarchivist i have 2 days of drupal talk to look forward to 2009-02-25 14:26:28 mjg_ JELLO HAIR FOR THE WIN 2009-02-25 14:27:06 MikeTaylor Sorry, l got distracted: where is OSS Metrics? 2009-02-25 14:27:14 scotchko BEER BREAKOUT SESSION 2009-02-25 14:27:43 MikeTaylor We should have a beer-fuels IS Rest The Answer? session. 2009-02-25 14:27:49 MikeTaylor I wish I'd suggested THAT ten minutes ago, 2009-02-25 14:27:54 scotchko :) 2009-02-25 14:28:33 liza31337 I'm carrying my laptop open to the lounge in the hopes that it will stay online 2009-02-25 14:29:03 akorphan @lyrics soul coughing : super bon bon 2009-02-25 14:29:04 zoia akorphan: you can buy one of those from LITA 2009-02-25 14:29:10 JodiS liza31337: works for me so far 2009-02-25 14:29:34 akorphan @sing soul coughing : super bon bon 2009-02-25 14:29:36 zoia to rise, to rise, to rise. / Too fight that you must cut clean. / You got to take the elevator to the mezzanine, / Chump, change, and it's on, Super bon bon 2009-02-25 14:31:30 MrDys @hosts2010 2009-02-25 14:31:32 zoia MrDys: Asheville, NC [274]; Austin, TX [259]; Madison, WI [211]; Columbus, OH [147]; Bloomington, IN [122] 2009-02-25 14:33:16 MrDys i heart sqlcolors 2009-02-25 14:34:11 ejk @rate drupal blacklight 2009-02-25 14:34:16 zoia ejk: drupal: 9.8; blacklight: 8.5. drupal rocks! 2009-02-25 14:35:28 akorphan @rate sql mql 2009-02-25 14:35:32 zoia akorphan: sql: 6.6; mql: 0.0. mql sucks! sql rocks! 2009-02-25 14:35:39 akorphan oops. 2009-02-25 14:36:18 pmurray If it is any consolation, the office wireless network just dropped out from underneath me. 2009-02-25 14:37:59 royt pmurray: misery does indeed love company 2009-02-25 14:38:23 akorphan obligaroyt++ 2009-02-25 14:38:58 kgs_ i think next year we have a contingency aircard so at least speakers can go online 2009-02-25 14:39:02 bjy panicking_about_upcoming_talk-- 2009-02-25 14:40:41 dlovins If one has time to do just one fun/interesting thing in Providence tomorrow p.m., what would people recommend? 2009-02-25 14:41:02 akorphan The Children's Museum is fun if you've got that type in tow. 2009-02-25 14:41:08 akorphan The RISD museum, also good 2009-02-25 14:41:36 dlovins akorphan: Thanks. 2009-02-25 14:42:08 akorphan If you haven't just gone around downtown for a bit of a walk, it can be nice. The riverwalk is a pleasant half-hour. 2009-02-25 14:42:37 wickr dlovins: http://wiki.code4lib.org/index.php/Conference_Buzz#Things_To_Do:_Saturday-Friday and the section below it if you haven't seen it 2009-02-25 14:42:38 akorphan Roger Williams Park and Zoo has a nice little museum too, with a fossil of an ancient terrapin with armored eyeballs. 2009-02-25 14:42:59 akorphan That alone is worth the price of admission. 2009-02-25 14:46:41 akorphan coffee_syrup++ 2009-02-25 14:47:28 dlovins akorphan++ # thanks for all the tips 2009-02-25 14:48:01 zoia ☃﹢☼ ➾ ☠﹢☹﹢☵ 2009-02-25 14:48:09 mjg_ @hosts2010 2009-02-25 14:48:11 zoia mjg_: Asheville, NC [274]; Austin, TX [259]; Madison, WI [212]; Columbus, OH [148]; Bloomington, IN [122] 2009-02-25 14:49:08 zoia New news from planetcode4lib: Leggott, Mark: How Silly Can We Get? || Leggott, Mark: Latest Evergreen Release Available || Leggott, Mark: Conors Comics 10 || L 2009-02-25 14:50:55 lbjay dlovins: the state house is pretty cool inside. 5 minute walk. i went at lunch 2009-02-25 14:51:11 mbklein @foaf mbklein interest 2009-02-25 14:51:13 zoia mbklein: mbklein : , , , , , , , , , (1 more message) 2009-02-25 14:51:44 akorphan If you're here Friday and have a car, you can drive down to Newport and check out the mansions. 2009-02-25 14:52:10 mbklein Who's going to Darien for drupal4lib? 2009-02-25 14:52:30 ejk mbklein: I am 2009-02-25 14:54:36 mjg_ newport++ 2009-02-25 14:55:58 mjg_ ecorrado: this affront will not soon be forgotten. 2009-02-25 14:57:03 jtgorman jtgorman was at Newport, didn't see the mansions... ;) 2009-02-25 14:57:20 jtgorman there's a decent brewpub in the area though, can't remember the name 2009-02-25 14:57:23 akorphan Also, best tattoo shop in Rhode Island is Anchor Steam Tattoo Gallery, downtown Newport. 2009-02-25 14:57:45 mbklein ejk: Cool. 2009-02-25 14:57:52 mjg_ inkshops++ 2009-02-25 14:59:39 jtgorman may have been the Coddington Brewing Company, which I guess is in Middletown 2009-02-25 14:59:46 jtgorman had decent seafood too 2009-02-25 14:59:56 akorphan middletown ~= newport 2009-02-25 15:00:03 akorphan plus or minus a bridge. 2009-02-25 15:00:56 jtgorman akorphan: well, really all of RI seems like either newport or providence + or - a bridge 2009-02-25 15:01:12 jtgorman jtgorman guesses that south-west corner kind of has it's own feel, ditto for jamestown 2009-02-25 15:01:18 jtgorman everything else is a blur 2009-02-25 15:01:56 akorphan jtgorman: RI common practice indicates that anything more than 1/2 hr drive away is a day trip. Better pack a lunch! 2009-02-25 15:02:17 jtgorman akorphan: yeah, my one trip there it was rather amazing getting directions 2009-02-25 15:03:14 jtgorman akorphan: had a town, one person didn't recognize it. The other is like "oh, that's a bit of a drive. It's like 30 or 40 minutes". We start driving and realize 20 minutes in that the town we were looking for was five minutes back 2009-02-25 15:03:27 jtgorman and we weren't even speeding .... 2009-02-25 15:05:40 akorphan jtgorman: Welcome to RI. 2009-02-25 15:06:20 jtgorman akorphan: seafood was so good...the beaches were a nice place to sit while eating the seafood ;) 2009-02-25 15:08:13 jtgorman jtgorman is now craving deep-fried seafood 2009-02-25 15:11:04 truk77 ah, the hotel uses cox for internet? that explains much :] 2009-02-25 15:11:32 birkin TIME & PLACE CHANGE for werewolf for #c4l09 folk today -- Handel Room @ 6:15 (Temple level); more info on conference_buzz page. 2009-02-25 15:12:20 birkin antonio, possible excuses decreasing! :) 2009-02-25 15:12:57 lbjay birkin: what is "werewolf"? 2009-02-25 15:13:17 lbjay ooh, /me just remembered 2009-02-25 15:13:30 birkin game i heard about reading pycon posts a while back 2009-02-25 15:14:03 birkin ...and then sxsw posts too -- had to try it and it was fun, so a couple of providencegeeks.org folk will run a game here for those interested 2009-02-25 15:14:37 birkin informal, no experience necessary 2009-02-25 15:16:18 kados kados reads scrollback from the airport 2009-02-25 15:22:42 dbs jtgorman: JFC, I can't believe there is no MARCXML format listed on supported refworks formats 2009-02-25 15:23:44 akorphan I've found refworks' marc adapter to be thoroughly broken. 2009-02-25 15:25:37 jtgorman dbs: that's ok, the MARC filter doesn't take MARC in either 2009-02-25 15:25:57 jtgorman akorphan: yeah, ditto. i sent them an email a week ago saying "Do any of your MARC filters actually take MARC?" 2009-02-25 15:25:57 dbs what about "MARC Format (UTF-8)" ? 2009-02-25 15:26:30 jtgorman dbs: I didn't get that to work with a true marc file 2009-02-25 15:26:41 jtgorman dbs: but of course there could be other mistakes 2009-02-25 15:26:45 kados does anyone know about MIME types for iso2709 or marcxml? do any exist? and if not, can we register them somehow? 2009-02-25 15:27:05 jtgorman kados: application/marc formarc 2009-02-25 15:27:14 jtgorman kados: for the other stuff see the threads on code4lib mailing list ;) 2009-02-25 15:27:42 jtgorman dbs: MARC Format works with something that seems to have the following properties... 2009-02-25 15:28:01 kados jtgorman++ 2009-02-25 15:28:42 jtgorman dbs: starts wtih LEADER, has the leader after a space. Fields are separated by a newline. subfields (except the first subfield) have |x content where x is the subfield indicator.. 2009-02-25 15:28:49 jtgorman lisppaste3: help 2009-02-25 15:28:49 lisppaste3 To use the lisppaste bot, visit http://paste.lisp.org/new/code4lib and enter your paste. 2009-02-25 15:29:43 dbs jtgorman: ah, sounds kinda like yaz-marcump -o line 2009-02-25 15:29:54 lisppaste3 jtgorman pasted "a "marc" file that works for refworks direct export" at http://paste.lisp.org/display/76166 2009-02-25 15:30:16 jtgorman that works with "MARC Format" 2009-02-25 15:31:32 jtgorman dbs: could be 2009-02-25 15:33:20 jtgorman that's outputted by a script I have and the parameters &filter=MARC+Format&database=All+MARC+Formats in the call back seems to work 2009-02-25 15:33:42 jtgorman I probably need to play with making sure it's utf-8 frendly but that's an exercise for another day 2009-02-25 15:35:55 JodiS @hosts2010 2009-02-25 15:35:57 zoia JodiS: Asheville, NC [280]; Austin, TX [262]; Madison, WI [213]; Columbus, OH [149]; Bloomington, IN [123] 2009-02-25 15:36:15 jtgorman dbs: just checked, MARC+Format+(UTF-8) also likes that file format where it was throwing up on some MARC files I had that ...well, seem to follow the actual MARC standard and that both File_MARC and MARC::File seem happy with 2009-02-25 15:36:17 mib_ns8e3tll join 2009-02-25 15:37:39 dbs refworks-- 2009-02-25 15:38:03 jtgorman dbs: I think it's partially historical legacy though... 2009-02-25 15:38:16 jtgorman dbs: I mean, they have a bunch of filters for all different types of MARC 2009-02-25 15:38:29 royt asheville has it in the bag 2009-02-25 15:38:33 dbs next question, I guess, is have they documented the "Refworks XML" format somehwere? 2009-02-25 15:38:44 jtgorman dbs: all I could find were links saying that they have not 2009-02-25 15:41:12 dbs jtgorman: just Refworks Tagged Format (http://www.refworks.com/refworks/help/Refworks.htm#RefWorks_Tagged_Format.htm) 2009-02-25 15:41:16 dbs refworks-- 2009-02-25 15:42:35 ruest refworks-- 2009-02-25 15:43:05 jtgorman crud, thought i had found it 2009-02-25 15:43:25 jtgorman I mean, i thought I had bookmarked that "unofficial" page and now I can't find it agian 2009-02-25 15:44:03 jtgorman I don't know if I can decrement refworks too much. I mean at least they have some documentation...and I was able to get something that worked pretty quickly 2009-02-25 15:44:07 jtgorman endnote however... 2009-02-25 15:44:09 jtgorman endnote-- 2009-02-25 15:44:11 jtgorman endnote-- 2009-02-25 15:45:36 jtgorman actually, now that I think of it it was probably the endnote xml format 2009-02-25 15:45:45 jtgorman crud still, I can't believe I didn't bookmark that 2009-02-25 15:46:12 papo uh xml endnote format 2009-02-25 15:46:14 wickr geez, ed vielmetti has made like 50 edits to the wiki today 2009-02-25 15:46:33 papo when I hear my coworker swear in the office next to ours, I know it's because of endnote 2009-02-25 15:46:43 papo he's converting this xml stuff somehow 2009-02-25 15:47:45 akorphan @ana akorphan 2009-02-25 15:47:46 zoia akorphan: Ha! On park 2009-02-25 15:48:18 zoia New news from planetcode4lib: del.icio.us: JSON Diff || Lederman, Sol (Federated Search Blog): Authors respond to “One Box to Search Them All” review (part II) || Bigwood, David: Preliminary Authority Records || Engard, Nicole: Libraries that Twitter there are no underpants in academia" (added by ksclarke at 12:08 PM, September 01, 2006) 2009-02-25 15:53:34 BigD fireball! 2009-02-25 15:53:34 mjg_ ecorrado: only if I can kill you. 2009-02-25 15:53:47 ejk lightning bolt, lighning bolt 2009-02-25 15:53:50 MrDys- | pew pew 2009-02-25 15:53:51 calvinm_ where's the d&d room?? 2009-02-25 15:53:54 mjg_ mafia hits a bit too close to home for a person w/ surname "GEEYARLEEOHLEEOHHHH" 2009-02-25 15:53:56 akorphan handel, I think? 2009-02-25 15:54:19 abarrera mjg_: you're a rat 2009-02-25 15:54:21 gsf can you be a mage in werewolf? 2009-02-25 15:54:23 jtgorman @dnd 2009-02-25 15:54:23 zoia jtgorman: strength:15 dexterity:10 constitution:11 intelligence:11 wisdom:8 charisma:12 2009-02-25 15:54:27 gsf if you can't be a mage, i don't want to play 2009-02-25 15:54:29 wickr akorphan: handle is for werewolf 2009-02-25 15:54:29 robcaSSon werewolf hits a bit too close to home for me 2009-02-25 15:54:34 wickr lol 2009-02-25 15:54:40 mjg_ robcaSSon++ 2009-02-25 15:54:48 MrDys robcaSSon: cut your hair, hippie 2009-02-25 15:54:55 scotchko everyone prepare for bacon! 2009-02-25 15:55:01 mjg_ mjg_ registers a persistent silver bullet for werewolf at handel.net 2009-02-25 15:55:04 jtgorman gsf: worlds of darkness had a whole game called mage and the games were at least somewhat compatible if I remember correctly 2009-02-25 15:55:08 abarrera robcaSSon: still recovering from being shot with a silver bullet? 2009-02-25 15:55:11 MrDys mjg_: nerrrrrrrrrrd 2009-02-25 15:55:15 robcaSSon youse_guys++ 2009-02-25 15:55:16 ejk wolf! wolf! wolf! 2009-02-25 15:55:33 jtgorman jtgorman never played Mage though 2009-02-25 15:55:39 edsu edsu upchucks 2009-02-25 15:55:42 zoia clean up on aisle 10 2009-02-25 15:55:50 anarchivist @quote add < gsf> not because we're men or anything, but all we talk is code 2009-02-25 15:55:51 zoia anarchivist: The operation succeeded. Quote #1748 added. 2009-02-25 15:55:51 abarrera abarrera looks at the drool on BigD's chin 2009-02-25 15:55:54 anarchivist @quote remove 1748 2009-02-25 15:55:55 zoia anarchivist: The operation succeeded. 2009-02-25 15:55:59 anarchivist @quote add < gsf> not because we're men or anything, but all we talk about is code 2009-02-25 15:55:59 zoia anarchivist: The operation succeeded. Quote #1749 added. 2009-02-25 15:56:00 mjg_ robcaSSon: OH SHIT A FULL MOO- oh, wait, that's just BigD. 2009-02-25 15:56:14 ejk I saw robcaSSon riding on the top of Style's van last night 2009-02-25 15:56:16 abarrera mjgiarlo++ 2009-02-25 15:56:22 robcaSSon ejk++ 2009-02-25 15:56:26 atz "1/2 Off Games every Wednesday" at D&B: http://www.daveandbusters.com/Locations/default.aspx?Loc=178 2009-02-25 15:56:31 mjg_ BigD++ # for suffering many morons 2009-02-25 15:56:32 akorphan accents++ 2009-02-25 15:56:47 akorphan crazy_internationalness_of_lil_ol_code4lib++ 2009-02-25 15:56:50 robcaSSon this shit is SOOOOO sweet 2009-02-25 15:56:51 jtgorman actually, nwo that I think about it I seem to remember having to do some hammering to get some of the vampire/werewolf stuff to work in the original games... 2009-02-25 15:56:52 gsf robcaSSon++ my own werewolfness goes back to http://www.monstropedia.org/index.php?title=Gabriel_Hounds 2009-02-25 15:56:55 robcaSSon pay attention 2009-02-25 15:57:04 erikhatcher bacon++ 2009-02-25 15:57:08 edsu hot off the skillet more like 2009-02-25 15:57:16 lbjay @cyborg BACON 2009-02-25 15:57:18 zoia lbjay: B.A.C.O.N.: Biomechanical Artificial Construct Optimized for Nullification 2009-02-25 15:57:20 ecorrado trade_secrets_out_of_bag++ 2009-02-25 15:57:23 anarchivist dinosaur_jr++ 2009-02-25 15:57:25 dbs jtgorman: ah, of course, I could always export some records from refworks in their XML format and reverse engineer their shit. awesome. 2009-02-25 15:57:26 robcaSSon indexdata++ 2009-02-25 15:57:28 jtgorman jtgorman never really got into vampire 2009-02-25 15:57:31 jbrinley royt: no, I don't have permission to edit code4lib.org pages. I'll keep a list and send it to you. 2009-02-25 15:57:35 erikhatcher BaconML 2009-02-25 15:57:38 mbklein The entire conference is congregated around the podium. 2009-02-25 15:57:44 edsu metacrapsearch 2009-02-25 15:57:45 ejk @ana [cyborg BACON] 2009-02-25 15:57:46 atz high_wire_lightning_talk++ 2009-02-25 15:57:48 anarchivist dinobacon++ 2009-02-25 15:57:48 zoia ejk: Blob anarchic emaciation 2009-02-25 15:57:50 jtgorman dbs: well, that's pretty much what I'm settling on doing with endnote 2009-02-25 15:57:52 wickr jbrinley: I'll give you access 2009-02-25 15:57:55 akorphan edsu++ 2009-02-25 15:58:00 jbrinley wickr++ 2009-02-25 15:58:07 LibraryThingT . 2009-02-25 15:58:19 BigD someone tell ray he's standing in front of the screen 2009-02-25 15:58:22 gsf mbklein: sitting on the podium, near the lectern 2009-02-25 15:58:29 gsf mbklein: too be accurate 2009-02-25 15:58:38 gsf ha 2009-02-25 15:58:41 gsf s/too/to/ 2009-02-25 15:58:48 gsf <-- morno 2009-02-25 15:58:48 wickr jbrinley: done 2009-02-25 15:58:49 jtgorman I'd much, much rather just use MARC so that the citation managers do all the work 2009-02-25 15:58:57 jbrinley wickr++ # thanks 2009-02-25 15:58:58 akorphan This is macro authoring for web queries! 2009-02-25 15:59:00 anarchivist jsonmarc++ 2009-02-25 15:59:08 robcaSSon point_and_click_connector_builder++ 2009-02-25 15:59:09 dbs jtgorman: agreed 2009-02-25 15:59:11 abarrera BigD: throw you shoe at him 2009-02-25 15:59:19 gsf marcjson++ 2009-02-25 15:59:33 anarchivist json_and_the_marconauts++ 2009-02-25 15:59:50 lbjay mbklein: that's actually still the OLE breakout group. they're still meeting. 2009-02-25 15:59:51 rsinger_ this is like my logitech harmony remote thing 2009-02-25 15:59:53 edsu this is a scraper builder? 2009-02-25 16:00:04 akorphan edsu: looks like, more or less. 2009-02-25 16:00:16 robcaSSon edsu: pretty much...it's neat 2009-02-25 16:00:18 mjg_ MikeTaylor++ 2009-02-25 16:00:19 erikhatcher magic++ 2009-02-25 16:00:20 mjg_ magick++ 2009-02-25 16:00:23 mbklein magick++ 2009-02-25 16:00:31 mjg_ mjg_ heard a "k" 2009-02-25 16:00:32 robcaSSon indexdata++ 2009-02-25 16:00:35 akorphan This tool relies on quality HTML. 2009-02-25 16:00:54 ecorrado ecorrado wants bacon flavored beer 2009-02-25 16:00:59 gsf magic > as if by magic 2009-02-25 16:01:06 kados akorphan: no it doesn't, just HTML that has patterns in it :) 2009-02-25 16:01:13 akorphan magic ~= rigged demo 2009-02-25 16:01:16 lbjay Raymond Schwartz! Sit down! 2009-02-25 16:01:30 mjg_ so, uh, what was that and how can I get it? 2009-02-25 16:01:31 mbklein MikeTaylor++ 2009-02-25 16:01:38 jtgorman jtgorman wishes he knew what people were talking about 2009-02-25 16:01:38 anarchivist indexdata 2009-02-25 16:01:42 mjg_ elm is the hack. 2009-02-25 16:01:45 kados kados guesses the lightning talk is mike taylor showing off the new translator framework 2009-02-25 16:01:45 anarchivist indexdata++ 2009-02-25 16:01:47 mjg_ elm++ 2009-02-25 16:01:47 liza31337 maturity-- 2009-02-25 16:01:53 kados indexdata++ 2009-02-25 16:01:54 anarchivist adult_services++ 2009-02-25 16:01:58 mbklein gsf: Not just "magic" or "as if by magic" but "powered by...Magick" 2009-02-25 16:02:05 abarrera seriously-- 2009-02-25 16:02:07 BigD i am unmaturing 2009-02-25 16:02:07 gsf satchmo_schtick++ 2009-02-25 16:02:08 mbklein emorgan++ 2009-02-25 16:02:10 anarchivist "for mature library audiences only" 2009-02-25 16:02:13 ecorrado fillabusters++ 2009-02-25 16:02:16 BigD beard award! 2009-02-25 16:02:16 mjg_ emorgan: I want your money. +1 2009-02-25 16:02:25 mjg_ BigD++ 2009-02-25 16:02:26 LibraryThingT Nice idea. 2009-02-25 16:02:28 gsf like mellon? with lots of money? 2009-02-25 16:02:34 robcaSSon emorgan++ 2009-02-25 16:02:34 kgs cardigans++ 2009-02-25 16:02:38 mjg_ "Best Chinmunk" 2009-02-25 16:02:43 ejk the baconie 2009-02-25 16:02:46 atz "open source software... for adults" 2009-02-25 16:02:47 anarchivist the mjg_ memorial bacon award 2009-02-25 16:02:47 abarrera mjgiarlo++ 2009-02-25 16:02:48 akorphan @sing cardigans : carnival 2009-02-25 16:02:50 zoia Come on and love me now / Come on and love me now / Come on and love me now / Carnival came by my town today 2009-02-25 16:02:51 LibraryThingT Bacon. RIght 2009-02-25 16:02:51 codemonkey winner will get free registration++ 2009-02-25 16:02:55 robcaSSon voting++ 2009-02-25 16:02:57 mib_al7bayth what was the name of the firefox extension just shown in previous lightning talk? 2009-02-25 16:02:58 ecorrado bacon_award++ 2009-02-25 16:03:00 abarrera anarchivist++ 2009-02-25 16:03:02 liza31337 committees-- 2009-02-25 16:03:04 atz codemonkey: good idea 2009-02-25 16:03:06 MrDys anyone care to enlighten me on how to add my slides to the conference wiki page? 2009-02-25 16:03:07 jbrinley Connector Framework 2009-02-25 16:03:11 gsf mib_al7bayth: magick 2009-02-25 16:03:12 BigD i'm selling kneecapping services to guarantee you the award 2009-02-25 16:03:13 abarrera "Best Bacon Picture" 2009-02-25 16:03:14 jwn so why did he bring the book? 2009-02-25 16:03:17 royt or uses bacon 2009-02-25 16:03:20 mib_al7bayth jbrinley thanks 2009-02-25 16:03:20 mjg_ emorgan: SHOW ME THE MONEY 2009-02-25 16:03:22 kgs we could get Niman Ranch to sponsor it 2009-02-25 16:03:24 jbrinley solr can't win every year 2009-02-25 16:03:27 cbarr would the trophy have golden bacon? 2009-02-25 16:03:31 anarchivist they should get a thong 2009-02-25 16:03:33 lbjay @band add Mike and the Chinmunks 2009-02-25 16:03:34 wickr MrDys: send them to royt 2009-02-25 16:03:35 zoia lbjay: Band 'Mike and the Chinmunks' added to list 2009-02-25 16:03:41 mbklein When emorgan mentioned this last night, I suggested the "potential open source project" award. Give the award to a project that has announced its *intention* to go OS, and hold the money in escrow until they release. 2009-02-25 16:03:41 abarrera anarchivist++ 2009-02-25 16:03:45 mjg_ lbjay++ 2009-02-25 16:03:46 atz big moneys! 2009-02-25 16:03:48 abarrera emorgans_money++ 2009-02-25 16:03:49 gsf that's like $4000! 2009-02-25 16:03:50 anarchivist the ejm memorial stimulus package 2009-02-25 16:03:51 ejk woah 2009-02-25 16:03:51 edsu elm++ 2009-02-25 16:03:52 LibraryThingT The MAN. 2009-02-25 16:03:52 LibraryThingT Can we approve by acclamation! 2009-02-25 16:03:54 akorphan three_large++ 2009-02-25 16:03:54 ecorrado money++ 2009-02-25 16:03:58 royt "The Eric Lease Morgan Memorial Open Source Software Award" 2009-02-25 16:04:00 mjg_ elm++ # I like the idea. 2009-02-25 16:04:03 jwn Maybe that is his check book. 2009-02-25 16:04:05 jtgorman mbklein++ 2009-02-25 16:04:05 mbklein memorial++ 2009-02-25 16:04:05 JodiS_ elm++ 2009-02-25 16:04:07 naomi he's not dead yet 2009-02-25 16:04:08 MrDys memorial... 2009-02-25 16:04:11 mjg_ I will take your dirty Jesuit cash. 2009-02-25 16:04:18 endupok GIANT check 2009-02-25 16:04:21 abarrera mjgiarlo++ 2009-02-25 16:04:21 ecorrado no memorial, just award 2009-02-25 16:04:23 mjg_ elm++ 2009-02-25 16:04:24 naomi Eric Lease Morgan Bacon Open Source Software Award 2009-02-25 16:04:25 anarchivist the royt "open source supporter" memorial thong 2009-02-25 16:04:30 charper elm++ 2009-02-25 16:04:30 shanlera61 they are CSC, not jesuit 2009-02-25 16:04:33 BigD mjgiarlo: god hates you 2009-02-25 16:04:37 robcaSSon beer++ 2009-02-25 16:04:39 atz ELMOSSA4lib++ 2009-02-25 16:04:43 erikhatcher ppt-- 2009-02-25 16:04:46 gsf y'all suck at math 2009-02-25 16:04:46 akorphan anarchivist: You mean the "open source supporter" athletic supporter? 2009-02-25 16:04:48 jtgorman damn google spellcheck 2009-02-25 16:04:54 naomi akorphan++ 2009-02-25 16:04:54 anarchivist akorphan: no, i mean thong 2009-02-25 16:04:57 jtgorman why is it applying it automatically 2009-02-25 16:04:58 mjg_ kat3++ 2009-02-25 16:04:59 abarrera gsf++ # i saw your math 2009-02-25 16:05:03 BigD how much is she going to give? 2009-02-25 16:05:07 ecorrado kat3++ 2009-02-25 16:05:14 jtgorman anyone have a link to said "Magick" firefox plugin? 2009-02-25 16:05:21 ecorrado ecorrado pladges 25 cents 2009-02-25 16:05:25 ecorrado pledges 2009-02-25 16:05:28 anarchivist kat3++ 2009-02-25 16:05:29 mbklein jtgorman: Not released yet. 2009-02-25 16:05:33 MrDys royt: what's yer e-mail? 2009-02-25 16:05:33 scotchko hey Guys the plugin has not been yet released 2009-02-25 16:05:36 mbklein teaser_lightning_talk-- 2009-02-25 16:05:36 naomi ... "magick bacon " OSS ... 2009-02-25 16:05:37 abarrera abarrera pledges mjgiarlo's credit card 2009-02-25 16:05:41 gsf jtgorman: http://rc98.net/macaddress 2009-02-25 16:05:43 mjg_ joe_(canhas)_atzberger++ 2009-02-25 16:05:46 ejk @rate pladges pledges 2009-02-25 16:05:46 anarchivist gsf++ 2009-02-25 16:05:46 jtgorman gsf++ 2009-02-25 16:05:47 scotchko we just delivered it to a client yesterday 2009-02-25 16:05:50 zoia ejk: pladges: ?; pledges: 1.6. pledges sucks! 2009-02-25 16:05:55 timmcgeary elm++ 2009-02-25 16:05:57 BigD mjg: 1154 5324 6468 2345 2009-02-25 16:05:59 jwn plugin tease 2009-02-25 16:06:06 naomi lemon ... no, wait ... bacon pledge 2009-02-25 16:06:13 mbklein Magick Bacon > Django Unicorns 2009-02-25 16:06:14 ecorrado ecorrado will donate one pound of bacon to award winner 2009-02-25 16:06:20 JodiS_ JodiS_ wonders how much bacon $1000 will buy 2009-02-25 16:06:20 rsinger_ i will now lick all of the furniture 2009-02-25 16:06:32 scotchko the magic that fuels the CFBuilder is called XPattern 2009-02-25 16:06:34 anarchivist anarchivist will donate 100 lolcats 2009-02-25 16:06:34 erikhatcher "that's pretty cool" 2009-02-25 16:06:46 scotchko there will be a ltalk on it later I guess 2009-02-25 16:06:55 rsinger may a 1000 lolcats bloom 2009-02-25 16:06:57 lbjay someone get chick a hammock 2009-02-25 16:07:12 mjg_ lbjay++ 2009-02-25 16:07:13 ecorrado ecorrado wishes the cleaning people would use some ajax at work 2009-02-25 16:07:19 anarchivist ecorrado++ 2009-02-25 16:07:23 anarchivist binghamton+- 2009-02-25 16:07:29 mjg_ mjg_ gets rsinger with a spray bottle 2009-02-25 16:07:33 rsinger @hosts2010 2009-02-25 16:07:35 BigD ecorrado: just give them root 2009-02-25 16:07:35 zoia rsinger: Asheville, NC [283]; Austin, TX [268]; Madison, WI [213]; Columbus, OH [149]; Bloomington, IN [123] 2009-02-25 16:07:37 mbklein ecorrado: You want them to be able to change parts of your office on the fly? 2009-02-25 16:07:41 naomi ajax + bacon pledge = bacon bomb 2009-02-25 16:07:43 anarchivist mjg_: use kgs' face mist 2009-02-25 16:07:47 timmcgeary @hosts2011 2009-02-25 16:07:48 gsf @later tell kat3 does the wordpress post "modified date" get updated when inserted things get updated? 2009-02-25 16:07:48 zoia timmcgeary: Hooker, Oklahoma [88]; Hicksville, Ohio [87]; Hell, Michigan [83]; Odd, West Virginia [15] 2009-02-25 16:07:49 zoia gsf: The operation succeeded. 2009-02-25 16:07:51 mjg_ ecorrado-- # dude, my name has < 7 syllables. 2009-02-25 16:07:53 ecorrado kat3++ 2009-02-25 16:07:53 mib_b979i1bk mib_b979i1bk wants a standing desk at work 2009-02-25 16:07:55 BigD wow TX is getting crushed 2009-02-25 16:07:57 gsf kat3++ 2009-02-25 16:08:00 BigD remember the Alamo 2009-02-25 16:08:03 mjg_ ecorrado++ # for putting out the announcement. :) 2009-02-25 16:08:08 rsinger Mike Jello Face 2009-02-25 16:08:08 gsf still at 15 2009-02-25 16:08:11 lbjay BAM! 2009-02-25 16:08:24 mib_b979i1bk 5 starting....now! 2009-02-25 16:08:29 rsinger T O K E 2009-02-25 16:08:40 liza31337 What 2009-02-25 16:08:40 abarrera mjgeeaaralleo++ 2009-02-25 16:08:42 mjg_ @band add Jello Face and the Dead Chinnedys 2009-02-25 16:08:42 fak3r toke++ 2009-02-25 16:08:43 zoia mjg_: Band 'Jello Face and the Dead Chinnedys' added to list 2009-02-25 16:08:43 rsinger T O K E 2009-02-25 16:08:43 erikhatcher i wonder if microsoft does usability studies and realizes no one ever hits F5 2009-02-25 16:08:51 JodiS_ erikhatcher++ 2009-02-25 16:08:54 royt don't bogart that joint 2009-02-25 16:08:54 lbjay @hussein Toke Eskildsen 2009-02-25 16:08:56 mbklein Isn't "Bits & Speed" a Raquel Welch / Bill Cosby movie from the 70s? 2009-02-25 16:08:56 zoia lbjay: Out! Heedless kinkiness 2009-02-25 16:08:56 JodiS_ usability++ 2009-02-25 16:09:10 fak3r deferred-- 2009-02-25 16:09:17 akorphan lightning_fail 2009-02-25 16:09:21 robcaSSon he needs a breakout. 2009-02-25 16:09:24 kgs JodiS: about 18 of these: http://www.amazon.com/Niman-Ranch-Bacon-Sampler/dp/B000X9Q5UW/ 2009-02-25 16:09:27 BigD anarchivist could do a talk on that talk 2009-02-25 16:09:27 JodiS_ erikhatcher: you can now save as a presentation so PPT opens in "slideshow" mode. 2009-02-25 16:09:29 naomi he needs to break. 2009-02-25 16:09:33 fak3r lighting_strike 2009-02-25 16:09:34 JodiS_ kgs++ 2009-02-25 16:09:35 ejk It's almost 4:20... 2009-02-25 16:09:37 mbklein file:/// reference URLs-- 2009-02-25 16:09:37 robcaSSon becky++ 2009-02-25 16:09:47 jwn epic lightning faikl 2009-02-25 16:09:49 fak3r from ohio 2009-02-25 16:09:52 bess becky++ 2009-02-25 16:09:53 mbklein ejk++ 2009-02-25 16:09:54 ecorrado cold-- 2009-02-25 16:09:55 naomi 1 min down. 2009-02-25 16:09:55 dsuchy can i go in 10, 30-second periods? 2009-02-25 16:09:56 JodiS_ becky++ 2009-02-25 16:09:56 atz ohio++ 2009-02-25 16:10:00 mjg_ becky++ 2009-02-25 16:10:00 gsf lightning_talks_about_the_weather++ 2009-02-25 16:10:05 jtgorman jtgorman is getting hungry 2009-02-25 16:10:07 fak3r macro++ 2009-02-25 16:10:11 abarrera becky++ 2009-02-25 16:10:11 anarchivist http://www.amazon.com/Irish-Black-Pudding-Ring/dp/B000LEH5BW/ref=pd_sim_dbs_gro_5 2009-02-25 16:10:12 bess becky++ !!! 2009-02-25 16:10:12 mbklein becky++ 2009-02-25 16:10:13 gsf macro_express-- 2009-02-25 16:10:15 anarchivist becky++ 2009-02-25 16:10:16 kgs becky++ 2009-02-25 16:10:17 shanlera61 macro++ 2009-02-25 16:10:22 shanlera61 becky-- 2009-02-25 16:10:23 mjg_ becky is now +3 over edsu 2009-02-25 16:10:26 BigD mmm, black puddin! 2009-02-25 16:10:29 harmless kittens++ 2009-02-25 16:10:30 jwn dead kittens -- 2009-02-25 16:10:33 anarchivist BigD: twss 2009-02-25 16:10:35 jtgorman jtgorman wondres what the heck is going on 2009-02-25 16:10:39 mbklein @karma becky 2009-02-25 16:10:39 zoia mbklein: Karma for "becky" has been increased 9 times and decreased 1 time for a total karma of 8. 2009-02-25 16:10:48 abarrera mmm kitty bacon 2009-02-25 16:10:48 mjg_ jtgorman: god killed a kitteh. 2009-02-25 16:10:53 mbklein shanlera61: spoilsport 2009-02-25 16:10:53 gsf | |_ ___ | | __ ___ / _| __ _ (_) | | 2009-02-25 16:10:53 gsf | __| / _ \ | |/ / / _ \ | |_ / _` | | | | | 2009-02-25 16:10:53 gsf | |_ | (_) | | < | __/ | _| | (_| | | | | | 2009-02-25 16:10:54 atz dave & busters tonight after dinner.... anybody in? 2009-02-25 16:10:57 gsf \__| \___/ |_|\_\ \___| |_| \__,_| |_| |_| 2009-02-25 16:11:06 jwn wat did they do with all the dead kittens? 2009-02-25 16:11:07 mbklein atz: D&B tonight FOR *and* AFTER dinner. 2009-02-25 16:11:09 fak3r toke? 2009-02-25 16:11:09 lbjay gsf++ 2009-02-25 16:11:10 mjg_ gsf++ 2009-02-25 16:11:11 jbrinley @quote add Every time you run Macro Express, God kills a kitten. 2009-02-25 16:11:11 zoia jbrinley: The operation succeeded. Quote #1750 added. 2009-02-25 16:11:19 JodiS_ who talked before elm? 2009-02-25 16:11:21 jtgorman jtgorman tries not to think of the time he attempted to create a marco for some functionality in Voyager that had no counterpart... 2009-02-25 16:11:23 jtgorman jtgorman shudders 2009-02-25 16:11:25 anarchivist gsf++ 2009-02-25 16:11:29 jbrinley JodiS_: Mike Taylor 2009-02-25 16:11:43 jtgorman things that had no keyboard equivalents, race issues when going to fast 2009-02-25 16:11:45 ecorrado the problem with shinny things is they attract badgers 2009-02-25 16:11:47 atz mbklein.... dunno about teh foods... but I'll be seeing you there at some point then. 2009-02-25 16:11:48 fak3r $demo 2009-02-25 16:12:00 gsf @rss unload 2009-02-25 16:12:01 jtgorman D&B on the east coast must be much better than the one that was here 2009-02-25 16:12:02 zoia gsf: Error: 'unload' is not a valid url. 2009-02-25 16:12:03 lbjay librarykitty++ 2009-02-25 16:12:05 ejk If D&B haz bacncheesbrgr, i iz there for dinnar 2009-02-25 16:12:08 gsf @unload RSS 2009-02-25 16:12:09 zoia gsf: The operation succeeded. 2009-02-25 16:12:09 dlovins database_cleanup++ 2009-02-25 16:12:10 mbklein @band add Mike Taylor and His Magick Bacon 2009-02-25 16:12:11 zoia mbklein: Band 'Mike Taylor and His Magick Bacon' added to list 2009-02-25 16:12:16 jtgorman which every single game was broken. The pool tables were ok 2009-02-25 16:12:27 fak3r broken_games-- 2009-02-25 16:12:29 mbklein atz++ 2009-02-25 16:12:45 robcaSSon becky++ 2009-02-25 16:12:51 gsf so wait, this is an autoit > macro express talk? 2009-02-25 16:12:53 fak3r windows demo on a mac-- 2009-02-25 16:12:53 naomi ILS-- 2009-02-25 16:13:04 fak3r MARC-- 2009-02-25 16:13:04 mbklein marc_talk++ 2009-02-25 16:13:06 mjg_ This kind of magick requires slaughtering a rooster under a full moon. 2009-02-25 16:13:19 fak3r mjg_: and killing a kitten 2009-02-25 16:13:24 anarchivist mjg_: abarrera did that already 2009-02-25 16:13:25 akorphan gsf: looks like. 2009-02-25 16:13:27 fak3r "This one goes to 11!" 2009-02-25 16:13:33 JodiS_ efficiency FTW! 2009-02-25 16:13:36 naomi that_kind_of_work-- 2009-02-25 16:13:45 fak3r naomi++ 2009-02-25 16:13:46 abarrera anarchivist: BigD demanded fried chicken at 2am 2009-02-25 16:13:58 anarchivist abarrera: big surprise 2009-02-25 16:14:00 gsf no problem with that, but programming_gui_macros-- 2009-02-25 16:14:02 fak3r set default_text_editor="vim" 2009-02-25 16:14:12 fak3r gsf++ 2009-02-25 16:14:16 bess omg, Becky is awesome! I've never seen or heard of her before. She's new right? or have I been under a rock again? 2009-02-25 16:14:21 anarchivist export EDITOR=ed 2009-02-25 16:14:24 jbrinley it's so simple I've been able to teach people who can't find the start button how to write autoit scripts 2009-02-25 16:14:27 robcaSSon bess: she's new....and OURS 2009-02-25 16:14:30 gsf bess: look for the #1 on her nametag 2009-02-25 16:14:30 mjg_ yo_bj++ 2009-02-25 16:14:31 robcaSSon so back off ;) 2009-02-25 16:14:34 papo bess: Who is Becky? 2009-02-25 16:14:35 mbklein live_kittens++ 2009-02-25 16:14:37 anarchivist yo_bj++ 2009-02-25 16:14:38 naomi tape_swaps------ 2009-02-25 16:14:40 gsf /wi beckay 2009-02-25 16:14:48 wickr taping++ 2009-02-25 16:14:48 anarchivist swap_meets++ 2009-02-25 16:14:51 JodiS_ papo: Becky Yoose, who talked about macros 2009-02-25 16:14:51 mjg_ I think he just said "back off, bitches" in danish. 2009-02-25 16:14:52 fak3r fak3r calls "same seats!" 2009-02-25 16:14:54 akorphan tape_swaps > tape_end_mid_talk. 2009-02-25 16:15:00 fak3r tapes? it's all solid state these days 2009-02-25 16:15:01 naomi spouse_swaps?? 2009-02-25 16:15:10 anarchivist kingston_jamaica++ 2009-02-25 16:15:13 fak3r this is your mac on drugs 2009-02-25 16:15:16 rjw every time you change a tape a kitten dies 2009-02-25 16:15:22 atz Backen der offenish, Bitschen! 2009-02-25 16:15:25 LibraryThingT wtd: I started a chat. Must discuss Athenaeum. 2009-02-25 16:15:28 gsf ah, zoia's log is so much nicer without all those damn broken feed calls 2009-02-25 16:15:29 naomi rjw++ 2009-02-25 16:15:29 mjg_ T O K E 2009-02-25 16:15:31 jwn she has a lot of tapes to review. 2009-02-25 16:15:33 endupok get a hard drive 2009-02-25 16:15:36 MrDys toke++ 2009-02-25 16:15:36 fak3r toke++ 2009-02-25 16:15:36 papo hey you guys are strange today 2009-02-25 16:15:42 fak3r today? 2009-02-25 16:15:49 papo yes I mean especially today 2009-02-25 16:15:49 fak3r pause 2009-02-25 16:15:51 jwn roliking today. 2009-02-25 16:15:53 papo like "more than usual" 2009-02-25 16:15:53 mbklein D&B's menu: http://www.daveandbusters.com/eat/menu.aspx 2009-02-25 16:15:56 fak3r papo: rock 2009-02-25 16:15:57 mjg_ jwn++ 2009-02-25 16:15:58 naomi i_hate_this++ 2009-02-25 16:16:06 JodiS_ mbklein: how far is D&B? 2009-02-25 16:16:06 emcrens The cruft is not amused. 2009-02-25 16:16:10 fak3r use a mini8 tape if you want slow 2009-02-25 16:16:19 mbklein JodiS_: It's in Providence Place Mall next door. 2009-02-25 16:16:19 royt people_who_don't_know_their_presentation_technology-- 2009-02-25 16:16:24 fak3r JodiS_: 2 blocks down the hill 2009-02-25 16:16:26 JodiS_ mbklein: awesome 2009-02-25 16:16:26 erikhatcher T O K E 2009-02-25 16:16:27 atz JodiS_: it's the top floor of the mall... half a block 2009-02-25 16:16:29 edsu Ϟ 2009-02-25 16:16:32 timmcgeary What time for D&B? 2009-02-25 16:16:33 erikhatcher erikhatcher inhales 2009-02-25 16:16:36 JodiS_ royt: it's hard, actually... 2009-02-25 16:16:38 fak3r fak3r is new here 2009-02-25 16:16:47 JodiS_ what tim said: when for D&B? 2009-02-25 16:16:47 mjg_ royt: do not raise the ire of T O K E 2009-02-25 16:16:49 mbklein JodiS_: So somewhere between next door, half a block, down the hill, and 2 blocks away. 2009-02-25 16:16:54 abarrera timmcgeary: 420 2009-02-25 16:16:55 JodiS_ :) 2009-02-25 16:17:07 fak3r RAM FTW? 2009-02-25 16:17:12 MikeTaylor Not to drag the subject back to my ow n humble talk or anything, but ... whoever it was that said the Connector Framework parser magic relies on well-formed HTML is dead wrong. I admit I don't understand myself how it does it, but it does it on pretty much ANY crappy HTML. Seriously. 2009-02-25 16:17:14 BigD vee expected dis 2009-02-25 16:17:18 timmcgeary aberrera: wow I better hurry 2009-02-25 16:17:24 mbklein JodiS_ / timmcgeary: I plan to play a game or two of Werewolf here and then head over. Probably around 7 or so. 2009-02-25 16:17:27 JodiS_ MikeTaylor: slow me, missed it. what kind of connector 2009-02-25 16:17:38 JodiS_ mbklein: will see if I can get my act together by then 2009-02-25 16:17:43 MrDys graphs++ 2009-02-25 16:17:48 timmcgeary mbklein: 7pm in the lobby then? 2009-02-25 16:17:50 JodiS_ graphs++ 2009-02-25 16:17:51 rsinger T O K E 2009-02-25 16:17:51 bess mbklein: how friendly is werewolf to uptight people who have never played such a thing before? 2009-02-25 16:17:55 mbklein timmcgeary: Something like that. 2009-02-25 16:17:56 JodiS_ bess: very 2009-02-25 16:17:57 mbklein :) 2009-02-25 16:17:59 rsinger T O K E 2009-02-25 16:17:59 robcaSSon measurements++ 2009-02-25 16:18:05 naomi mbklein: you must be the psychic 2009-02-25 16:18:11 timmcgeary mbklein: sounds good 2009-02-25 16:18:12 MikeTaylor JodiS, sorry it is too involved to explain on a very highly populated irc channel, and there are no slides I can point you at -- it was a live demo. 2009-02-25 16:18:13 bess bess wants to play werewolf but feels intimidated 2009-02-25 16:18:15 jwn which room werewolk? 2009-02-25 16:18:16 mjg_ rsinger++ # the dead horse is now a bloody pulp. 2009-02-25 16:18:20 mjg_ jwn: Handel 2009-02-25 16:18:20 mbklein bess: It's AWESOME. I was scared of it at first, but it's a real easy game to pick up, and plenty of skill to develop at your own pace. 2009-02-25 16:18:23 fak3r spoiler: I/O is the bottleneck (somwhere) 2009-02-25 16:18:32 fak3r spoiler: the dog dies 2009-02-25 16:18:33 mbklein jwn: Can't remember. It's on the conference wiki. Birkin knows too. 2009-02-25 16:18:39 bess mbklein: can I come? where and when? 2009-02-25 16:18:44 MrDys ooh. games are half off at D&B today 2009-02-25 16:18:50 mjg_ Werewolf = Handel, folks 2009-02-25 16:18:53 JodiS_ bess: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mafia_(party_game) 2009-02-25 16:18:59 mjg_ "T O K E ... out!" 2009-02-25 16:18:59 anarchivist performance++ 2009-02-25 16:19:00 robcaSSon MrDys++ 2009-02-25 16:19:01 bess what is D&B? 2009-02-25 16:19:02 ecorrado http://images.icanhascheezburger.com/completestore/2009/2/25/128800703524542866.jpg 2009-02-25 16:19:05 jwn he sould wear a red shirt next time. 2009-02-25 16:19:06 jtgorman ahhh...werewolf the party game 2009-02-25 16:19:06 bess what kind of games? 2009-02-25 16:19:06 BigD MrDys: but you only get 1.5 lives 2009-02-25 16:19:07 anarchivist woowoo++ 2009-02-25 16:19:07 MrDys bess: Dave & Busters 2009-02-25 16:19:11 mbklein mjg_++ 2009-02-25 16:19:15 akorphan Dave + Busters = video game place for grownups 2009-02-25 16:19:16 bess what is Dave & Busters? 2009-02-25 16:19:19 abarrera bess: arcade, bar, restaurant 2009-02-25 16:19:19 bess oh cool! 2009-02-25 16:19:21 jtgorman quarter swallowers 2009-02-25 16:19:22 bess seriously? 2009-02-25 16:19:22 anarchivist columbia++ 2009-02-25 16:19:24 bess oh, yeah, I'm in 2009-02-25 16:19:25 mbklein firsttimers++ 2009-02-25 16:19:26 MrDys bess: srsly 2009-02-25 16:19:27 lbjay we have no pity 2009-02-25 16:19:28 mjg_ libe-- 2009-02-25 16:19:30 timmcgeary bess: yes, seriously 2009-02-25 16:19:30 fak3r sweater_vests++ 2009-02-25 16:19:36 anarchivist code4lube++ 2009-02-25 16:19:39 erikhatcher xslt-- 2009-02-25 16:19:40 mbklein bess: D&B's == Video Arcade for Grownups 2009-02-25 16:19:40 timmcgeary bess: chuck e. cheese for adults 2009-02-25 16:19:41 mjg_ anarchivist++ 2009-02-25 16:19:44 mbklein anarchivist-- 2009-02-25 16:19:49 ecorrado no++ 2009-02-25 16:19:49 scolford anarchivist-- 2009-02-25 16:19:50 akorphan shirt_tails++ 2009-02-25 16:19:54 jtgorman gah 2009-02-25 16:19:55 abarrera anarchivist++ 2009-02-25 16:19:58 JodiS_ bess: http://www.daveandbusters.com/ 2009-02-25 16:19:58 fak3r that scared me... 2009-02-25 16:20:07 ejk pausebutton++ 2009-02-25 16:20:11 jtgorman ok, folks....if you come up with a cool project. For the love of god...google it before you decide on the nmae 2009-02-25 16:20:19 anarchivist columbia++ 2009-02-25 16:20:21 fak3r DB's, not as dorky as it should be, but it'll be fun 2009-02-25 16:20:28 anarchivist jtgorman: hush now, we're concentrating 2009-02-25 16:20:33 mbklein jtgorman: What's the name of this project? 2009-02-25 16:20:42 erikhatcher anyone gone to the RSID museum? wondering if i should skip some sessions tomorrow to visit it? (i fly out at like 2pm) 2009-02-25 16:20:42 fak3r limited_tools-- 2009-02-25 16:20:45 jwn that's a lot of words for 5 minutes 2009-02-25 16:20:46 mjg_ catapanoth++ 2009-02-25 16:20:47 jtgorman I think I figured it out 2009-02-25 16:20:50 naomi "persistent, extensible nodes in sync" 2009-02-25 16:20:52 anarchivist catapanoth++ 2009-02-25 16:20:57 rsinger Ⓣ Ǭ Ǩ Ễ 2009-02-25 16:20:58 jtgorman so thie Connector Framework peoplbe have been talking about is CollabNet? 2009-02-25 16:20:59 fak3r I'd like to go to a RFID museum 2009-02-25 16:21:05 jfereira DBs, Iooks fun, I'll be there 2009-02-25 16:21:08 erikhatcher rsinger++ 2009-02-25 16:21:08 naomi erikhatcher: i wanna see museum also 2009-02-25 16:21:08 mjg_ rsinger: how much time did you spend on that? 2009-02-25 16:21:15 LibraryThingT wtd: Ping me. Athenaeum needs a call before 5 if we want to get a tour. 2009-02-25 16:21:17 edsu @ana schematron 2009-02-25 16:21:18 zoia edsu: Snatch more 2009-02-25 16:21:20 scolford fak3r: I was just thinking that. 2009-02-25 16:21:21 gsf 𝙏 ❂ ЌЁ 2009-02-25 16:21:22 jtgorman maybe... 2009-02-25 16:21:23 jtgorman no 2009-02-25 16:21:24 rsinger mjg_: way too much 2009-02-25 16:21:26 mbklein @herald get rsinger 2009-02-25 16:21:27 zoia mbklein: Error: I have no herald for rsinger. 2009-02-25 16:21:32 fak3r google ad on mibbit: "I got rid of my wrinkles" 2009-02-25 16:21:33 mbklein @herald add rsinger Ⓣ Ǭ Ǩ Ễ 2009-02-25 16:21:34 zoia mbklein: The operation succeeded. 2009-02-25 16:21:41 rsinger mbklein++ 2009-02-25 16:21:44 jtgorman MikeTaylor: ummm, for those of us playing along at home, what is this thing you were talking about and are there any real urls to it 2009-02-25 16:21:48 jrochkind105 MrDys: Lightning talk on libguides stuff? 2009-02-25 16:21:56 fak3r permissions_change_denial++ 2009-02-25 16:22:00 bess bess is now really excited about both werewolf and video games. Time to let my geek flag fly. 2009-02-25 16:22:04 ecorrado @hosts2010 2009-02-25 16:22:05 timmcgeary @hosts2010 2009-02-25 16:22:06 zoia ecorrado: Asheville, NC [286]; Austin, TX [270]; Madison, WI [214]; Columbus, OH [152]; Bloomington, IN [124] 2009-02-25 16:22:07 JodiS_ paper about Columbia's related EAD work: http://journal.code4lib.org/articles/77 2009-02-25 16:22:07 zoia timmcgeary: Asheville, NC [286]; Austin, TX [270]; Madison, WI [214]; Columbus, OH [152]; Bloomington, IN [124] 2009-02-25 16:22:08 MrDys jrochkind105: possibly tomorrow, it filled up really quickly today 2009-02-25 16:22:10 harmless jtgorman: It was a sneak peek at something that doesn't exist on the web yet. 2009-02-25 16:22:17 atz chmod based on requests? 2009-02-25 16:22:17 erikhatcher rsinger: note the time of your Ⓣ Ǭ Ǩ Ễ 2009-02-25 16:22:19 jtgorman jtgorman smacks head against the desk 2009-02-25 16:22:26 jtgorman harmless++ 2009-02-25 16:22:27 jbrinley austin has 8 minutes to make up 16 points 2009-02-25 16:22:30 rsinger erikhatcher++ 2009-02-25 16:22:31 mjg_ gsf: are we really in a post-TAKO herald era? say it ain't so. 2009-02-25 16:22:33 gsf stupid web never works 2009-02-25 16:22:34 rsinger drugs++ 2009-02-25 16:22:37 fak3r URL/I (you know, like TCP/IP) 2009-02-25 16:22:39 mbklein bess: I can give you a crash course in WW before the game if you want, though there are a couple community geeks coming to facilitate. 2009-02-25 16:22:48 jtgorman but still, an idea might be to get a good name before it's on the web 2009-02-25 16:22:51 BigD i could take my 1 point away from NC - but i hear they have good bbq... 2009-02-25 16:22:51 anarchivist ⒯⒪ᴷᴈ 2009-02-25 16:22:54 mbklein jbrinley: They need Kobe shooting from the field 2009-02-25 16:22:54 mjg_ 8 minutes until the hosting vote closes. 2009-02-25 16:22:55 gsf mjg_: TAKO is so 2008 2009-02-25 16:22:55 fak3r mbklein: may be fun to try 2009-02-25 16:22:57 bess mbklein: thank you, yes please! 2009-02-25 16:23:03 mjg_ gsf: TAKO4EVA 2009-02-25 16:23:03 fak3r anarchivist++ 2009-02-25 16:23:04 timmcgeary carolina_bbq++ 2009-02-25 16:23:05 JodiS_ mjg: say that to the room, plz 2009-02-25 16:23:11 ejk @hosts2010 2009-02-25 16:23:13 zoia ejk: Asheville, NC [284]; Austin, TX [270]; Madison, WI [212]; Columbus, OH [152]; Bloomington, IN [121] 2009-02-25 16:23:22 jrochkind105 Speaking of things that sound like taco, is Taco from AquaBrowser here in providence? anyone seen him? 2009-02-25 16:23:23 royt that is totally one T O K E over the line 2009-02-25 16:23:27 mbklein Asheville pulling away 2009-02-25 16:23:29 BigD ecorrado: paying attn to irc? voting almost closed! 2009-02-25 16:23:30 gsf c'mon asheville, hold the margin 2009-02-25 16:23:32 LibraryThingT No, there's another Taco, isn't there? 2009-02-25 16:23:34 fak3r royt: I'm going to count that 2009-02-25 16:23:36 JodiS_ @hosts2010 2009-02-25 16:23:38 zoia JodiS_: Asheville, NC [284]; Austin, TX [270]; Madison, WI [211]; Columbus, OH [152]; Bloomington, IN [121] 2009-02-25 16:23:40 mbklein @herald get taco 2009-02-25 16:23:40 zoia mbklein: (herald get [] []) -- Returns the current herald message for (or the user is currently identified or recognized as). If is not given, defaults to the user giving the command. is only necessary if the message isn't sent in the channel itself. 2009-02-25 16:23:43 timmcgeary @hosts2011 2009-02-25 16:23:44 zoia timmcgeary: Porkey, Pennsylvanania [92]; Assawoman, Virginia [88]; Rough and Ready, California [55]; Beetown, Wisconsin [49]; Magazine, Arkansas [42]; Big Foot, Illinois [38]; Gaylordsville, Connecticut [3] 2009-02-25 16:23:47 gsf tie goes to karma 2009-02-25 16:23:47 harmless jtgorman: And it's a framework for building screen scrapers that run on a stripped down core of firefox (gecko engine) and this way tend to be more compatible since it's viewing the pages in a standard browser that people test with instead of, say, the http object in your scripting language of choice 2009-02-25 16:23:50 ecorrado yep, voting closes soon 2009-02-25 16:23:50 gsf asheville++ 2009-02-25 16:23:50 fak3r austin for the come behind win? 2009-02-25 16:23:53 robcaSSon asheville: congrats 2009-02-25 16:23:55 fak3r austin++ 2009-02-25 16:24:01 gsf austin-- 2009-02-25 16:24:02 bjy beetown wi is near where I grew up 2009-02-25 16:24:03 mib_al7bayth austin++ 2009-02-25 16:24:06 akorphan @karma asheville 2009-02-25 16:24:07 zoia akorphan: Karma for "asheville" has been increased 10 times and decreased 0 times for a total karma of 10. 2009-02-25 16:24:08 ecorrado ecorrado still taking "donations" 2009-02-25 16:24:10 BigD ecorrado: maybe an announcemend? 2009-02-25 16:24:14 akorphan @karma austin 2009-02-25 16:24:15 fak3r don't make me call my dad and get Jim Baker to stop a recount... 2009-02-25 16:24:15 zoia akorphan: Karma for "austin" has been increased 5 times and decreased 1 time for a total karma of 4. 2009-02-25 16:24:19 ecorrado BigD: will do 2009-02-25 16:24:22 fak3r austin++ 2009-02-25 16:24:23 timmcgeary @karma timmcgeary 2009-02-25 16:24:24 zoia timmcgeary: Karma for "timmcgeary" has been increased 7 times and decreased 0 times for a total karma of 7. 2009-02-25 16:24:27 BigD ecorrado: gracias! 2009-02-25 16:24:31 mjg_ ooo, NORTH JERSEY 2009-02-25 16:24:32 edsu Ϟ 2009-02-25 16:24:34 timmcgeary asheville++ 2009-02-25 16:24:37 fak3r cute kid onscreen 2009-02-25 16:24:40 fak3r data_farm++ 2009-02-25 16:24:40 mjg_ Balkanization in the Garden State 2009-02-25 16:24:46 scolford austin++ 2009-02-25 16:24:50 jtgorman harmless: ahhhh 2009-02-25 16:24:50 mbklein mjg_: Good name for a band 2009-02-25 16:24:53 fak3r HADOOP ftw! 2009-02-25 16:24:59 jtgorman harmless: seems...familiar somehow. 2009-02-25 16:25:00 kgs bacon_farms++ 2009-02-25 16:25:02 mbklein @ana Balkanization in the Garden State 2009-02-25 16:25:03 timmcgeary @hosts2010 2009-02-25 16:25:04 zoia mbklein: It and tantalizing boneshaker 2009-02-25 16:25:06 zoia timmcgeary: Asheville, NC [286]; Austin, TX [279]; Madison, WI [214]; Columbus, OH [155]; Bloomington, IN [121] 2009-02-25 16:25:15 mjg_ JodiS: eep, dunno if I can barge in in time. 2009-02-25 16:25:17 timmcgeary Austin cut lead in half 2009-02-25 16:25:20 fak3r Midwest Hadoop Harvesting Farm (MHHF) 2009-02-25 16:25:20 royt wow, Austin is closing 2009-02-25 16:25:21 ejk hanglingchads-- 2009-02-25 16:25:21 BigD i just hope we all still have jobs @c4l10 2009-02-25 16:25:22 mbklein mbklein needs to learn how to use hadoop 2009-02-25 16:25:23 jwn not having at least one slide is pretty cheap. 2009-02-25 16:25:25 gsf edsu: awesome GREEK LETTER KOPPA there 2009-02-25 16:25:27 harmless jtgorman: ooo, from where? always good to have inspirations ... 2009-02-25 16:25:29 fak3r BigD-- 2009-02-25 16:25:30 robcaSSon @band add It and the Tantalizing Boneshakers 2009-02-25 16:25:30 zoia robcaSSon: Band 'It and the Tantalizing Boneshakers' added to list 2009-02-25 16:25:31 ecorrado ecorrado changes his 300 votes to Binghamton.. Binghamton wins! 2009-02-25 16:25:34 akorphan KOPPA COBANA 2009-02-25 16:25:40 jtgorman harmless: can't figure out exactly, sorry to say 2009-02-25 16:25:45 timmcgeary binghamton-- 2009-02-25 16:25:49 jtgorman harmless: just sounds really familiar.. 2009-02-25 16:25:50 timmcgeary @hosts2010 2009-02-25 16:25:52 zoia timmcgeary: Asheville, NC [289]; Austin, TX [276]; Madison, WI [211]; Columbus, OH [155]; Bloomington, IN [118] 2009-02-25 16:25:56 LibraryThingT gsf: Ooooh. Transcribe ionic inscriptions? 2009-02-25 16:26:09 anarchivist ₮⃙⓪₭€ 2009-02-25 16:26:14 lbjay @hosts2010 2009-02-25 16:26:16 zoia lbjay: Asheville, NC [286]; Austin, TX [277]; Madison, WI [208]; Columbus, OH [155]; Bloomington, IN [118] 2009-02-25 16:26:18 BigD fak3r: don't want a job? 2009-02-25 16:26:19 jtgorman harmless: like something I read when looking for some web app unit testing stuff (like Selenium) that I came across something similar 2009-02-25 16:26:28 erikhatcher fak3r: hadoop++ 2009-02-25 16:26:33 gsf @rate toke tako 2009-02-25 16:26:37 royt four minutes 2009-02-25 16:26:38 zoia gsf: toke: 9.6; tako: 9.8. tako rocks! 2009-02-25 16:26:39 fak3r BigD: I want a job, just don't want to think of us all loosing jobs, thus the -- 2009-02-25 16:26:42 harmless jtgorman: yup! there are some similarities to selenium. 2009-02-25 16:26:43 bjy bjy demands a recount 2009-02-25 16:26:48 fak3r BigD++ 2009-02-25 16:26:50 calvinm_ @hosts2010 2009-02-25 16:26:51 zoia calvinm_: Asheville, NC [283]; Austin, TX [280]; Madison, WI [208]; Columbus, OH [155]; Bloomington, IN [118] 2009-02-25 16:26:52 timmcgeary @hosts2010 2009-02-25 16:26:53 zoia timmcgeary: Asheville, NC [283]; Austin, TX [280]; Madison, WI [208]; Columbus, OH [155]; Bloomington, IN [118] 2009-02-25 16:26:54 fak3r ^even'd out 2009-02-25 16:26:56 royt holy cow 2009-02-25 16:27:02 ejk ooh 2009-02-25 16:27:03 timmcgeary wow! 2009-02-25 16:27:04 bess what a nail biter! 2009-02-25 16:27:05 mbklein Let's break that down: Bing (cherries) / Ham (uh, ham) / Ton (2,000 lbs.)...So 2,000 pounds of cherries and ham? What kind of name is that for a city? 2009-02-25 16:27:05 edsu calvinm_: i guess you want to go to austin :) 2009-02-25 16:27:06 gsf recount 2009-02-25 16:27:07 fak3r austin is gonna pull it out... 2009-02-25 16:27:08 rsinger WHOA 2009-02-25 16:27:08 harmless jtgorman: but it's rather differently focused. there are also some firefox extensions for macro recording like imacros and dejaclick 2009-02-25 16:27:10 anarchivist ℻ 2009-02-25 16:27:12 codemonkey WOW....... 2009-02-25 16:27:19 timmcgeary NC++ 2009-02-25 16:27:21 codemonkey austin++ 2009-02-25 16:27:24 anarchivist ℥ 2009-02-25 16:27:26 calvinm_ edsu: can't decide 2009-02-25 16:27:27 gsf asheville++ 2009-02-25 16:27:30 edsu are there 3 minutes to closing of polls? 2009-02-25 16:27:32 fak3r maybe we shouldn't have released the results, it's changing the election 2009-02-25 16:27:32 timmcgeary asheville++ 2009-02-25 16:27:32 ejk does the vote module auto lock at 4:30? 2009-02-25 16:27:34 anarchivist asheville++ 2009-02-25 16:27:35 kgs nice_places_to_visit++ 2009-02-25 16:27:36 timmcgeary @hosts2010 2009-02-25 16:27:37 zoia timmcgeary: Asheville, NC [283]; Austin, TX [280]; Madison, WI [208]; Columbus, OH [155]; Bloomington, IN [118] 2009-02-25 16:27:37 harmless what's in asheville? 2009-02-25 16:27:40 atz chaos! 2009-02-25 16:27:41 wickr ejk: yes 2009-02-25 16:27:44 gsf fak3r: it always does 2009-02-25 16:27:44 mbs warm, tacos, tequila--whats not to like? 2009-02-25 16:27:44 jrochkind105 asheville and austin I think will both work out fine. 2009-02-25 16:27:44 shoe harmless: what search terms will turn this up when it's available? 2009-02-25 16:27:46 mbklein exit_polling-- 2009-02-25 16:27:47 rsinger ejk: yes 2009-02-25 16:27:47 fak3r harmless: unknown 2009-02-25 16:27:49 erikhatcher i was born in Asheville 2009-02-25 16:27:50 akorphan harmless: The Chocolate Fetish 2009-02-25 16:27:52 naomi fak3r: duh - televising presidential election ... 2009-02-25 16:27:53 bess harmless: great music, great food, beautiful mountains 2009-02-25 16:27:54 harmless do they have good microbrews there/ 2009-02-25 16:27:57 codemonkey harmless: expensive town 2009-02-25 16:27:58 mib_al7bayth voting is over now? 2009-02-25 16:28:02 ecorrado do they have bacon? 2009-02-25 16:28:02 timmcgeary @hosts2010 2009-02-25 16:28:04 zoia timmcgeary: Asheville, NC [281]; Austin, TX [280]; Madison, WI [208]; Columbus, OH [155]; Bloomington, IN [118] 2009-02-25 16:28:04 harmless jtgorman: indexdata.dk 2009-02-25 16:28:05 fak3r naomi: exactly my point! 2009-02-25 16:28:05 royt not yet 2009-02-25 16:28:10 royt ack! 2009-02-25 16:28:12 kgs ooh! 2009-02-25 16:28:12 robcaSSon oh my 2009-02-25 16:28:13 anarchivist ⏅ 2009-02-25 16:28:14 lbjay 1 vote! 2009-02-25 16:28:14 mbklein jrochkind105: More specifically, asheville *or* austin will *either* work out fine. 2009-02-25 16:28:16 edsu wtf, this is like an ebay auction 2009-02-25 16:28:19 ejk Crazy 2009-02-25 16:28:20 gsf did you see that? ERIK HATCHER WAS BORN IN ASHEVILLE! 2009-02-25 16:28:24 mib_al7bayth i wanted to vote for lizard people! 2009-02-25 16:28:25 akorphan SNIPE SNIPE SNIPE 2009-02-25 16:28:29 naomi gsf++ 2009-02-25 16:28:30 fak3r quick, someone bid 100.01! snipe it! 2009-02-25 16:28:31 timmcgeary erikhatcher homestead tours++ 2009-02-25 16:28:32 timmcgeary @hosts2010 2009-02-25 16:28:34 zoia timmcgeary: Asheville, NC [286]; Austin, TX [277]; Madison, WI [208]; Columbus, OH [155]; Bloomington, IN [118] 2009-02-25 16:28:40 anarchivist the sound of screaming neckferret 2009-02-25 16:28:43 rsinger WTF 2009-02-25 16:28:44 naomi can't vote - bandwidth 2009-02-25 16:28:47 ejk Dang 2009-02-25 16:28:48 anarchivist WOO ASHEVILLE 2009-02-25 16:28:50 harmless jtgorman: we're calling it 'conector framework' 2009-02-25 16:28:51 timmcgeary crazy results 2009-02-25 16:28:51 JodiS_ voting is closed on the website :( 2009-02-25 16:28:51 mbs we should go there--we need to help keep austin weird 2009-02-25 16:28:52 edsu mjg_++ 2009-02-25 16:28:53 abarrera mjgiarlo-- # booo u sucks 2009-02-25 16:28:53 steambadger Diebold! 2009-02-25 16:28:55 naomi (not me - i already voted) 2009-02-25 16:28:55 fak3r he needs a tinyurl.com for that 2009-02-25 16:28:56 akorphan Only one of those votes was for McCain! 2009-02-25 16:28:57 gsf only vote if you're voting for asheville 2009-02-25 16:28:59 ejk austin lost a bunc 2009-02-25 16:29:01 erikhatcher i moved away from Asheville real young, so it's foreign to me... but it's pretty there and i hear it's a cool town 2009-02-25 16:29:02 JodiS_ rsinger: is server time 2 mi ahead? 2009-02-25 16:29:04 timmcgeary i had a hanging chad 2009-02-25 16:29:05 anarchivist ⏣ 2009-02-25 16:29:07 dbs shit! My clock says 16:28 2009-02-25 16:29:07 jrochkind105 sweet, google translate does bahasa indonesia. Now I can figure out if this blog comment is link spam. 2009-02-25 16:29:10 timmcgeary @hosts2010 2009-02-25 16:29:11 robcaSSon chickmarkley++ # for his patience and sense of humor 2009-02-25 16:29:11 zoia timmcgeary: Asheville, NC [286]; Austin, TX [277]; Madison, WI [208]; Columbus, OH [155]; Bloomington, IN [118] 2009-02-25 16:29:11 lbjay iSore 2009-02-25 16:29:14 fak3r he asked for it 2009-02-25 16:29:16 decasm_nomad only vote if you're voting for drexel 2009-02-25 16:29:16 timmcgeary 16:29 on IRC time 2009-02-25 16:29:18 rsinger why did it close? 2009-02-25 16:29:21 ecorrado diebols_crash-- 2009-02-25 16:29:22 MrDys storytime! 2009-02-25 16:29:22 mbklein Holy crap. 2009-02-25 16:29:23 fak3r how did austin loose votes? 2009-02-25 16:29:24 anarchivist ␆␆ 2009-02-25 16:29:27 naomi timmcgeary: chad++ 2009-02-25 16:29:31 dbs I was just signing in to vote! 2009-02-25 16:29:32 fak3r someone hit ctrl-z 2009-02-25 16:29:34 timmcgeary @hosts2010 2009-02-25 16:29:34 wickr fak3r: people changing their vote 2009-02-25 16:29:35 jtgorman harmless: might want to reconsider.... 2009-02-25 16:29:35 zoia timmcgeary: Asheville, NC [286]; Austin, TX [277]; Madison, WI [208]; Columbus, OH [155]; Bloomington, IN [118] 2009-02-25 16:29:36 robcaSSon fak3r: you can change votes 2009-02-25 16:29:36 bess fak3r: people can change their votes 2009-02-25 16:29:42 gsf dbs: you snooze you lose 2009-02-25 16:29:42 jrochkind105 The blog is a real blog. I have no idea why someone with a blog about indonesian politics is posting "thanks for the informative post!" to my blog comments. 2009-02-25 16:29:42 jfereira @rate loose lose 2009-02-25 16:29:43 JodiS_ dbs: me too 2009-02-25 16:29:45 anarchivist ☭ 2009-02-25 16:29:46 zoia jfereira: loose: 9.8; lose: 9.2. loose rocks! 2009-02-25 16:29:46 fak3r wickr: ah -ok 2009-02-25 16:29:46 rsinger closed 2009-02-25 16:29:47 edsu gsf++ 2009-02-25 16:29:50 fak3r fak3r still new here 2009-02-25 16:29:50 jtgorman harmless: or give it some other part of the name that might make it more googable... 2009-02-25 16:29:53 BigD is this his "burn technology" story? 2009-02-25 16:29:54 timmcgeary voting irregularities 2009-02-25 16:29:56 royt @hosts2010 2009-02-25 16:29:57 zoia royt: Asheville, NC [286]; Austin, TX [277]; Madison, WI [208]; Columbus, OH [155]; Bloomington, IN [118] 2009-02-25 16:29:58 jtgorman @google "Connector Framework" 2009-02-25 16:29:59 timmcgeary the polls closed early 2009-02-25 16:30:00 zoia jtgorman: Search took 0.18 seconds: MOM Connector Framework (MCF): ; Google Enterprise: Google Search Appliance: ; How the vision connector framework works: ; freshmeat.net: Project details for (2 more messages) 2009-02-25 16:30:03 lbjay some arm twisting in the senate cloak room going on? 2009-02-25 16:30:03 anarchivist ⚗ #paraphernalia++ 2009-02-25 16:30:04 royt Asheville gets it! 2009-02-25 16:30:05 fak3r slideshow ftw? 2009-02-25 16:30:08 dbs gsf: oh so true. but I had until 16:30 PM dammit! 2009-02-25 16:30:10 timmcgeary i was harrassed 2009-02-25 16:30:10 ecorrado asheville win! I'll anounce after this talk 2009-02-25 16:30:14 fak3r did he create this with keynote? 2009-02-25 16:30:17 timmcgeary @hosts2010 2009-02-25 16:30:18 atz looks like it's closed.... who knows what time *that* system thinks it is 2009-02-25 16:30:18 zoia timmcgeary: Asheville, NC [286]; Austin, TX [277]; Madison, WI [208]; Columbus, OH [155]; Bloomington, IN [118] 2009-02-25 16:30:19 lbjay Asheville++ w00t 2009-02-25 16:30:20 gsf ROYT CALLED IT 2009-02-25 16:30:22 dbs wanted to snipe 2009-02-25 16:30:24 fak3r font-- 2009-02-25 16:30:28 royt it's PDF 2009-02-25 16:30:28 akorphan Is it me or is keynote horrible? 2009-02-25 16:30:31 jtgorman its' 4:30 eastern by my clock 2009-02-25 16:30:34 abarrera does that say rectum? 2009-02-25 16:30:34 BigD that was exciting! 2009-02-25 16:30:34 atz comic_sans-- 2009-02-25 16:30:35 naomi font++ 2009-02-25 16:30:35 bess asheville++ 2009-02-25 16:30:37 mjg_ wow, that was pretty exciting. 2009-02-25 16:30:39 fak3r akorphan: it's not you, it's the presentation 2009-02-25 16:30:41 edsu akorphan: computers-- 2009-02-25 16:30:42 dbs jtgorman: two minutes ago it wasn't :) 2009-02-25 16:30:43 ejk comicsans-- 2009-02-25 16:30:45 erikhatcher rubyconf++ 2009-02-25 16:30:49 naomi abarerra-- 2009-02-25 16:30:50 timmcgeary that was *really* exciting 2009-02-25 16:30:52 fak3r hours or ours? 2009-02-25 16:30:53 jtgorman dbs: no, no. That's true 2009-02-25 16:30:53 timmcgeary I thought there would be a tie 2009-02-25 16:30:56 anarchivist ⦰⦱⦽⦾ 2009-02-25 16:30:57 lbjay comicsans? really? 2009-02-25 16:31:00 mbklein Anyone who wants to see a pretty amazing rethinking of presentation software should check out prezi.com. Amazing. 2009-02-25 16:31:00 erikhatcher stuart_halloway++ 2009-02-25 16:31:00 ecorrado tie+- 2009-02-25 16:31:04 gsf crazy colors AND comic sans 2009-02-25 16:31:07 fak3r lbjay: not recommended 2009-02-25 16:31:09 iand comic_sans++ 2009-02-25 16:31:11 scolford prezi++ 2009-02-25 16:31:13 anarchivist ⫸⫷⬖⬗ 2009-02-25 16:31:20 royt mbklein: i requested a login but haven't gotten it yet 2009-02-25 16:31:21 fak3r comic_sans for teh resumz 2009-02-25 16:31:22 mbklein lbjay: *antialiased* Comic Sans with *drop shadows*, Mister. 2009-02-25 16:31:26 mjg_ JodiS++ # guess I got up there too late, but thanks. good idea. 2009-02-25 16:31:34 anarchivist ㈮ 2009-02-25 16:31:37 ejk the background grid makes me dizzy 2009-02-25 16:31:39 anarchivist # PARENTHESIZED IDEOGRAPH METAL 2009-02-25 16:31:40 akorphan mbklein: on GREEN CHECK background 2009-02-25 16:31:41 JodiS_ mjg_: thanks for trying :) 2009-02-25 16:31:44 harmless :( 2009-02-25 16:31:47 fak3r available for bad language 2009-02-25 16:31:54 abarrera mjg_: your bullet proof vest slowed you down 2009-02-25 16:31:57 harmless it's a manual registration 2009-02-25 16:31:59 fak3r I want that background... 2009-02-25 16:31:59 mjg_ abarrera++ 2009-02-25 16:32:06 harmless how can we vote in two minutes under these conditions ;) 2009-02-25 16:32:06 MikeTaylor There is NEVER an excuse for Comic Sans 2009-02-25 16:32:11 atz heckle, jester and pester..... quality 2009-02-25 16:32:20 fak3r mjg_++ # for vest 2009-02-25 16:32:23 atz great idea 2009-02-25 16:32:24 royt yeah, shut up so we can vote 2009-02-25 16:32:24 erikhatcher fak3r: MrDys has a background for you 2009-02-25 16:32:33 mbklein That's effed up. 2009-02-25 16:32:36 edsu that is twisted 2009-02-25 16:32:38 mjg_ mjg_-- # true true 2009-02-25 16:32:40 MrDys fak3r: http://www.dysinterested.com/ 2009-02-25 16:32:41 mjg_ heckle++ 2009-02-25 16:32:52 lbjay heckle sounds like pain 2009-02-25 16:32:56 timmcgeary @hosts2011 2009-02-25 16:32:57 zoia timmcgeary: Big Sandy, Wyoming [67]; It, Mississippi [67]; Hicksville, Ohio [22]; Disco, Tennessee [2] 2009-02-25 16:32:58 gsf ΓΘλΞ 2009-02-25 16:33:06 liza31337 tests > documentation ++ 2009-02-25 16:33:08 mjg_ heckle sounds great. unit_testing++ 2009-02-25 16:33:17 anarchivist ԊԎԹԻ 2009-02-25 16:33:18 naomi Podunk, NY [-8] 2009-02-25 16:33:25 gsf @herald add ΓΘλΞ 2009-02-25 16:33:25 anarchivist @hosts2011 2009-02-25 16:33:26 zoia gsf: Error: I can't find ΓΘλΞ in my user database. If you didn't give a user name, then I might not know what your user is, and you'll need to identify before this command might work. 2009-02-25 16:33:27 zoia anarchivist: Normal, Illinois [96]; Muck City, Alabama [61]; Lollipop, Texas [58]; Love Ladies, New Jersey [58]; Peculiar, Missouri [56]; Magazine, Arkansas [3] 2009-02-25 16:33:27 fak3r MrDys: looks nice 2009-02-25 16:33:29 anarchivist @hosts2010 2009-02-25 16:33:30 zoia anarchivist: Asheville, NC [286]; Austin, TX [277]; Madison, WI [208]; Columbus, OH [155]; Bloomington, IN [118] 2009-02-25 16:33:32 jfereira I live near Podunk, NY 2009-02-25 16:33:32 naomi mjg++ 2009-02-25 16:33:33 gsf @herald add gsf ΓΘλΞ 2009-02-25 16:33:33 zoia gsf: The operation succeeded. 2009-02-25 16:33:37 akorphan hester, tester, jester, pester and lester 2009-02-25 16:33:42 steambadger Heckle will unmask us all as the frauds that we are. Aaaiii! 2009-02-25 16:33:43 atz tests are more significant than docs. wise. 2009-02-25 16:33:44 naomi jfereira: i know. I used to live there too. 2009-02-25 16:33:46 lbjay lbjay nods vigouously 2009-02-25 16:33:54 jrochkind105 NOTE: Does not apply to certain library developers that refuse to take your patches. 2009-02-25 16:33:59 fak3r who/boo 2009-02-25 16:34:03 akorphan asheville ftw 2009-02-25 16:34:06 harmless :( 2009-02-25 16:34:08 erikhatcher asheville++ 2009-02-25 16:34:08 fak3r apparently 2009-02-25 16:34:12 timmcgeary asheville++ 2009-02-25 16:34:17 fak3r what if I go to austin by accident? 2009-02-25 16:34:25 jtgorman jtgorman is said that Ohio lost agian this year 2009-02-25 16:34:26 fak3r I guess there's still irc... 2009-02-25 16:34:26 robcaSSon asheville++ 2009-02-25 16:34:27 naomi fak3r: enjoy the bbq 2009-02-25 16:34:29 mjg_ so, uh, when does robcaSSon start throatpunching? 2009-02-25 16:34:31 akorphan ibahn-- 2009-02-25 16:34:31 royt fak3r: have a fun conference with yourself 2009-02-25 16:34:31 decasm_nomad counterCode4Lib in austin, 2010 2009-02-25 16:34:31 fak3r contrast fail 2009-02-25 16:34:36 gsf the masses of votebots have spoken 2009-02-25 16:34:37 ejk the conference of southern agression 2009-02-25 16:34:38 jfereira fak3r: Internet access will probably be better 2009-02-25 16:34:41 jtgorman particularly with the budget crunches 2009-02-25 16:34:42 mjg_ chickmarkley++ 2009-02-25 16:34:42 anarchivist ℬÅℾℬ℮ℚ 2009-02-25 16:34:43 lbjay JodiS_: congratulations, you have won code4lib! 2009-02-25 16:34:45 fak3r jfereira: ya 2009-02-25 16:34:48 edsu gsf++ 2009-02-25 16:34:52 mbklein fak3r: There'll be a dimensional shuttle portal there to bring you to ashville. no worries. 2009-02-25 16:34:55 mjg_ ksclarke++ JodiS++ 2009-02-25 16:34:55 fak3r browser_fail 2009-02-25 16:34:57 JodiS_ lbjay: crap, we're putting on a conference next year! 2009-02-25 16:34:59 akorphan a winner are you! 2009-02-25 16:35:05 mjg_ Congratulations, you now have a lot of responsibility! 2009-02-25 16:35:05 ejk @karma ibahn 2009-02-25 16:35:06 codemonkey counterCode4Lib++ lol.... :) 2009-02-25 16:35:06 zoia ejk: Karma for "ibahn" has been increased 1 time and decreased 19 times for a total karma of -18. 2009-02-25 16:35:11 fak3r akorphan: "a winner is you" 2009-02-25 16:35:13 JodiS_ mjg_: exactly 2009-02-25 16:35:15 MrDys hottie trust 2009-02-25 16:35:17 MikeTaylor ibahn-- 2009-02-25 16:35:19 MikeTaylor ibahn-- 2009-02-25 16:35:19 jrochkind105 hottie trust. 2009-02-25 16:35:21 mjg_ MrDys++ 2009-02-25 16:35:21 gsf internet access better be better in asheville or i'm changing my votes 2009-02-25 16:35:22 bess bess is happy b/c Asheville is in driving distance, so I can go even though we won't have any travel funding next year. 2009-02-25 16:35:24 kgs haughty trust? 2009-02-25 16:35:25 rsinger hathi or nathi 2009-02-25 16:35:28 jwn ibahn-- 2009-02-25 16:35:28 fak3r ashvillie: for great jsstice 2009-02-25 16:35:29 naomi ibahn-- 2009-02-25 16:35:30 mbklein MrDys++ 2009-02-25 16:35:31 edsu MrDys: glad i wasn't the only one to hear that 2009-02-25 16:35:32 akorphan fak3r: thanks. 2009-02-25 16:35:34 mbklein rsinger++ 2009-02-25 16:35:35 abarrera naughty trust 2009-02-25 16:35:36 fak3r ibahn-- 2009-02-25 16:35:36 scotchko hottie trust 2009-02-25 16:35:37 scolford rsinger++ 2009-02-25 16:35:41 mjg_ asheville++# beautiful 2009-02-25 16:35:49 fak3r akorphan: some wrestling game for snes, I think 2009-02-25 16:35:53 akorphan chocolate_fetish++ 2009-02-25 16:35:54 kgs asheville is gorgeous and has great food 2009-02-25 16:35:57 ejk @rate ibahn iii 2009-02-25 16:35:57 fak3r mjg_: sounds good 2009-02-25 16:35:58 akorphan woolworth_gallery++ 2009-02-25 16:35:59 mjg_ and local beer 2009-02-25 16:36:00 timmcgeary trusting_hotties++ 2009-02-25 16:36:00 zoia ejk: ibahn: ?; iii: 8.3. iii rocks! 2009-02-25 16:36:01 mbklein asheville++ # not 25 degrees in February 2009-02-25 16:36:04 gsf calm down everybody. it means elephant. 2009-02-25 16:36:06 fak3r screen_fail 2009-02-25 16:36:07 anarchivist @herald add anarchivist ℬÅ℞ℬℚ 2009-02-25 16:36:07 zoia anarchivist: The operation succeeded. 2009-02-25 16:36:08 BigD where the hell is asscrack NC? 2009-02-25 16:36:14 mjg_ hot_elephants++ 2009-02-25 16:36:23 bess BigD: right next to Lizard Lick 2009-02-25 16:36:26 edsu @hosts2011 2009-02-25 16:36:26 zoia edsu: Big Sandy, Wyoming [100]; Spread Eagle, Wisconsin [96]; Dismal, Tennessee [55]; River Styx, Ohio [43]; Dry Fork, Wyoming [18] 2009-02-25 16:36:27 fak3r I trust hathi, don't you? 2009-02-25 16:36:30 mbklein Welcome to the Shared Digital Future 2009-02-25 16:36:35 ejk 1400x1050++ 2009-02-25 16:36:38 MrDys who's going to be the first to abuse roy's growl 2009-02-25 16:36:39 rsinger wait, tom is at umich now? 2009-02-25 16:36:39 harmless microbrew++ 2009-02-25 16:36:45 fak3r small_fonts-- 2009-02-25 16:36:48 mjg_ what's this dude's name again? 2009-02-25 16:36:50 BigD i have a sister in NC, hence the Austin votes... 2009-02-25 16:36:50 naomi my ad in mibbit: "Asheville Tummy Tuck? Get a tummy tuck in Asheville OR get a Tummy tuck without surgery." 2009-02-25 16:36:53 kgs breweries http://www.exploreasheville.com/where-to-eat/restaurants-by-cuisine-type/brewpubs--microbreweries/bold-beer/index.aspx 2009-02-25 16:36:53 gsf pothead trust 2009-02-25 16:36:55 jrochkind105 Huh, they already do have an api. Umlaut uses it. I guess it's a Merlin api technically but it does the job. 2009-02-25 16:36:57 anarchivist gsf++ 2009-02-25 16:36:57 atz "You will shape HathiTrust." 2009-02-25 16:36:57 JodiS_ Tom Burton-West 2009-02-25 16:37:11 mjg_ JodiS++ 2009-02-25 16:37:12 jrochkind105 Did I mention that Umlaut can put HathiTrust links and search-in-the-book boxes on your link resolver and opac? 2009-02-25 16:37:12 akorphan the Biltmore 2009-02-25 16:37:13 fak3r there's an elephant in the library. 2009-02-25 16:37:21 JodiS_ fak3r++ 2009-02-25 16:37:27 mjg_ jrochkind105: do an Umlaut lightning talk already. 2009-02-25 16:37:28 fak3r the Bil more 2009-02-25 16:37:35 anarchivist № 2009-02-25 16:37:37 bess jrochkind105: I really want to start using Umlaut. how do I get started? 2009-02-25 16:37:39 steambadger Mibbit says: "Holly gets naked for animals." 2009-02-25 16:37:40 mbklein MrDys: Roy's Growl is not to be trifled with. 2009-02-25 16:37:44 jrochkind105 mjg_ Already signed up. 2009-02-25 16:37:47 akorphan fak3r: yeah, an off-season ticket to the biltmore is like $25 2009-02-25 16:37:49 mjg_ jrochkind++ 2009-02-25 16:37:49 BigD fak3r: abarrera is just big boned! 2009-02-25 16:37:50 anarchivist mibbit++ 2009-02-25 16:37:51 gsf mibbit-- 2009-02-25 16:37:56 fak3r "we're investigating using smaller fonts, in the comic sans style" 2009-02-25 16:38:05 gsf fak3r++ 2009-02-25 16:38:07 eom I've had a mibbit ad about mesothelioma. Is there something the Asheville committee didn't tell us? 2009-02-25 16:38:07 jrochkind105 bess: The docs are decent, cause you know how much I love docs. And I'm HAPPY to help with any of it. 2009-02-25 16:38:08 bess fak3r++ 2009-02-25 16:38:11 mjg_ abarrera's got dinosaur bones. 2009-02-25 16:38:11 abarrera BigD: thanks, i try 2009-02-25 16:38:13 abarrera ass 2009-02-25 16:38:14 timmcgeary aren't we staying at the biltmore? 2009-02-25 16:38:16 naomi bess: option+u 2009-02-25 16:38:22 jrochkind105 bess: But Scot at NYU pretty much got it all done just from the docs without even talking to me. 2009-02-25 16:38:26 fak3r mibbit ad: Ashevillie Jobs! 2009-02-25 16:38:26 timmcgeary bless you 2009-02-25 16:38:28 mjg_ Antoniosaurus Rex 2009-02-25 16:38:29 dlovins fak3r++ 2009-02-25 16:38:31 bess jrochkind105: linking to HathiTrust stuff would be a win for us 2009-02-25 16:38:33 MikeTaylor Who's got dinosaur bones? How? Where? How can I get my hands on them? 2009-02-25 16:38:36 jbrinley naomi++ 2009-02-25 16:38:38 BigD mjg_: dorkasauraus 2009-02-25 16:38:40 rsinger it's freezing in here 2009-02-25 16:38:42 robcaSSon talk to erikhatcher 2009-02-25 16:38:43 abarrera mjgiarlo++ 2009-02-25 16:38:44 mjg_ found extinct at the bottom of a bag of doritos 2009-02-25 16:38:48 fak3r can't get it into memory? I thought that "elephants never forget" <- reference? 2009-02-25 16:38:50 robcaSSon contract with lucid 2009-02-25 16:38:52 jrochkind105 bess: Right now it only uses HathiTrust if it does NOT get a hit in GBS, but that's easily configurable. 2009-02-25 16:39:05 jrochkind105 bess: http://wiki.code4lib.org/index.php/Umlaut 2009-02-25 16:39:11 mjg_ at the LaBrea Donut Pits 2009-02-25 16:39:15 timmcgeary 52F in Asheville today 2009-02-25 16:39:15 fak3r these cats need to get on the lucid mailing list 2009-02-25 16:39:24 kgs @wunder pvd 2009-02-25 16:39:25 fak3r 52F and mostly fine 2009-02-25 16:39:27 zoia kgs: The current temperature in Providence, Rhode Island is 37.4°F (3:51 PM EST on February 25, 2009). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 36%. Dew Point: 12.2°F. Windchill: 30.2°F. Pressure: 30.40 in 1030 hPa (Falling). 2009-02-25 16:39:29 JodiS_ font_up++ 2009-02-25 16:39:35 mjg_ font_up4eva++ 2009-02-25 16:39:36 JodiS_ memory++ 2009-02-25 16:39:36 gsf @ana hathitrust 2009-02-25 16:39:37 zoia gsf: Ruttish hat 2009-02-25 16:39:39 naomi how can there be, like 8 "world's largest" libraries? 2009-02-25 16:39:46 anarchivist shard++ 2009-02-25 16:39:46 gsf @ana ruttish hat 2009-02-25 16:39:47 zoia gsf: Hit as truth 2009-02-25 16:39:47 fak3r unreadable_presentation++ 2009-02-25 16:39:50 kgs @ana elephant in library 2009-02-25 16:39:51 zoia kgs: Labyrinthian leper 2009-02-25 16:39:52 fak3r sharding++ 2009-02-25 16:39:52 anarchivist @ana hit as truth 2009-02-25 16:39:53 zoia anarchivist: Ruttish hat 2009-02-25 16:40:03 JodiS_ @wunder asheville, nc 2009-02-25 16:40:04 MrDys @hussein hathitrust 2009-02-25 16:40:05 akorphan naomi: "world's 8 largest libraries"? 2009-02-25 16:40:05 zoia JodiS_: The current temperature in Sunset Mountain, Asheville, North Carolina is 49.1°F (4:40 PM EST on February 25, 2009). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 37%. Dew Point: 24.8°F. Windchill: 48.2°F. Pressure: 30.32 in 1026.6 hPa (Falling). 2009-02-25 16:40:06 fak3r nutch_for_queries++ 2009-02-25 16:40:07 zoia MrDys: Hurt his enthusiast 2009-02-25 16:40:07 MikeTaylor Why is fak3r in favour of unreadable presentations? 2009-02-25 16:40:08 JodiS_ @wunder providence, ri 2009-02-25 16:40:10 zoia JodiS_: The current temperature in Cherry Hill, Johnston, Rhode Island is 37.8°F (4:40 PM EST on February 25, 2009). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 32%. Dew Point: 10.4°F. Windchill: 37.4°F. Pressure: 30.25 in 1024.3 hPa (Falling). 2009-02-25 16:40:12 MrDys zoia++ 2009-02-25 16:40:17 mbklein @herald get rsinger 2009-02-25 16:40:18 zoia mbklein: Ⓣ Ǭ Ǩ Ễ 2009-02-25 16:40:22 bess jrochkind105: I'm pretty intimidated by link resolver stuff because that's never been my job, and the guy at my library whose job it is is old and scary and crotchety. 2009-02-25 16:40:25 fak3r MikeTaylor: the fonts 2009-02-25 16:40:27 erikhatcher robcaSSon++ 2009-02-25 16:40:30 fak3r I think he's talking about me 2009-02-25 16:40:33 fak3r boom 2009-02-25 16:40:37 mbklein Mibbit can display "Ⓣ Ǭ Ǩ Ễ" but it can't display a degree symbol? 2009-02-25 16:40:37 mjg_ I am in favor of MrDys's seizure-inducing slides. 2009-02-25 16:40:42 mjg_ HEY NOW 2009-02-25 16:40:45 fak3r mood? sounds personal 2009-02-25 16:40:45 anarchivist @herald get anarchivist 2009-02-25 16:40:46 zoia anarchivist: ℬÅ℞ℬℚ 2009-02-25 16:40:47 erikhatcher yeah, i talked to Tom yesterday and suggested the nutch approach to common terms 2009-02-25 16:40:50 timmcgeary better that than the thong 2009-02-25 16:40:51 edsu royt++ 2009-02-25 16:40:51 abarrera let me guess with a roythong underneath 2009-02-25 16:40:51 rsinger @herald add royt Enter, the Hacking Hathi 2009-02-25 16:40:52 zoia rsinger: The operation succeeded. 2009-02-25 16:40:55 jrochkind105 bess: I'll give your people commit privs no problem on Umlaut. If you guys have SFX and it's API features are set up, you can set up Umlaut as a demo without talking to the crotchety guy. 2009-02-25 16:40:57 robcaSSon MrDys'_slides++ 2009-02-25 16:40:57 LibraryThingT It's so great that people make their data free and available. 2009-02-25 16:41:01 mjg_ royt's mustache has been to the moon and back WITHOUT A SPACESUIT 2009-02-25 16:41:11 MrDys I like roy's segue style..."No. I'm going now." 2009-02-25 16:41:15 mbklein mjg_: He used those slides specifically to disorient me in anticipation of the whupping I was going to give him at D&B's tonight. 2009-02-25 16:41:16 bess jrochkind105: not_talking_to_crotchety_guy++ 2009-02-25 16:41:20 anarchivist @dunno search puppies 2009-02-25 16:41:21 zoia anarchivist: 1 found: #150: "why don't you ask royt to read to you about..." 2009-02-25 16:41:21 fak3r erikhatcher: but nutch + hadoop is more for harvesting, didn't think real time would be its strongpoint...yes? 2009-02-25 16:41:21 jwn @wunder hnl 2009-02-25 16:41:23 zoia jwn: The current temperature in Honolulu, Hawaii is 75.2°F (10:53 AM HST on February 25, 2009). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 48%. Dew Point: 55.4°F. Pressure: 30.18 in 1022 hPa (Steady). 2009-02-25 16:41:25 LibraryThingT ANd are there any terms with it. 2009-02-25 16:41:25 anarchivist @dunno get 150 2009-02-25 16:41:26 zoia anarchivist: Dunno #150: "why don't you ask royt to read to you about puppies instead? http://icanhaz.com/puppies" (added by anarchivist at 09:21 PM, August 15, 2008) 2009-02-25 16:41:29 rsinger MrDys: You, get the fuck off my stage 2009-02-25 16:41:32 fak3r @wunder stl 2009-02-25 16:41:33 BigD i'm ROYT DAMMIT! 2009-02-25 16:41:36 zoia fak3r: The current temperature in St. Louis, Missouri is 68.0°F (2:51 PM CST on February 25, 2009). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 35%. Dew Point: 39.2°F. Pressure: 30.00 in 1016 hPa (Falling). 2009-02-25 16:41:37 erikhatcher fak3r: the nutch *analyzer*, not the crawler 2009-02-25 16:41:38 gsf miniscule xml files 2009-02-25 16:41:45 fak3r 68F in STL? 2009-02-25 16:41:45 rsinger DO YOU REALIZE WHO I AM?! 2009-02-25 16:41:51 BigD ROYTrage 2009-02-25 16:41:53 MrDys I HAVE A MOUSTACHE 2009-02-25 16:41:56 fak3r rsinger: rsinger, right? 2009-02-25 16:41:59 anarchivist MrDys++ 2009-02-25 16:41:59 erikhatcher nutch has some custom lucene analysis techniques to address the "the whatever" phrase query issue 2009-02-25 16:42:01 MikeTaylor Standard Template Library? 2009-02-25 16:42:06 fak3r boosted_font++ 2009-02-25 16:42:07 ecorrado font_boost++ 2009-02-25 16:42:11 JodiS_ @wunder st.louis, mo 2009-02-25 16:42:14 zoia JodiS_: The current temperature in Shaw/Tower Grove, St. Louis, Missouri is 70.0°F (3:40 PM CST on February 25, 2009). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 37%. Dew Point: 42.8°F. Pressure: 29.54 in 1000.2 hPa (Falling). 2009-02-25 16:42:16 MikeTaylor We need MORE font_boost. 2009-02-25 16:42:18 mbklein rsinger: the Christian Bale of code4lib 2009-02-25 16:42:19 mjg_ royt's mustache cuts off his face to spite his face. 2009-02-25 16:42:22 fak3r erikhatcher: wow, lucene/solr moves fast 2009-02-25 16:42:25 JodiS_ WTF, StL, MO! 2009-02-25 16:42:26 anarchivist mbklein++ 2009-02-25 16:42:27 rsinger MY MOUSTACHE AND THIS BOTTLE OF GLENFIDDITCH ARE GONNA KICK YOUR ASS 2009-02-25 16:42:34 fak3r vote_stl++ 2009-02-25 16:42:41 akorphan Tony Stark built this IN A CAVE! 2009-02-25 16:42:44 akorphan WITH A BOX OF SCRAPS! 2009-02-25 16:42:45 atz wtf indeed 2009-02-25 16:42:47 JodiS_ dchud: could you font-up the presentation computer firefox? 2009-02-25 16:42:48 kgs @mccainize [wunder 32301] 2009-02-25 16:42:50 zoia kgs: My friends, The current temperature in Cornerstone Learning Community, Tallahassee, Florida is 68.5°F (4:33 PM EST on February 25, 2009). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 57%. Dew Point: 53.6°F. Pressure: 30.22 in 1023.2 hPa (Steady). 2009-02-25 16:42:52 fak3r JodiS_: I'm from STL, had to check the weather, it beats ashville 2009-02-25 16:42:55 timmcgeary asheville has a brews cruise 2009-02-25 16:42:56 anarchivist @quote random 2009-02-25 16:42:56 mbklein Whereas I'm more like that "Kittens! Inspired by Kittens!" kid. 2009-02-25 16:42:56 zoia anarchivist: Quote #640: " is it easier to write science fiction or treason?" (added by ksclarke at 12:09 AM, January 18, 2007) 2009-02-25 16:43:01 timmcgeary http://www.exploreasheville.com/what-to-do/activity-details/index.aspx?guid=f27c9576-f188-4720-aa51-e8c828b52ccb 2009-02-25 16:43:02 erikhatcher if you're going to publish your data as XML, at least spell out things like "undetermined" 2009-02-25 16:43:07 JodiS_ fak3r: yeah, just surprised 2009-02-25 16:43:15 mjg_ royt's mustache has access to EVERY government document. 2009-02-25 16:43:20 scolford mbklein++ 2009-02-25 16:43:23 gsf royt: ur search interface is weiwd 2009-02-25 16:43:25 BigD und could mean other things... 2009-02-25 16:43:30 scolford kittens_inspired_by_kittens++ 2009-02-25 16:43:30 anarchivist royt's mustache has its own harvester 2009-02-25 16:43:32 bess mbklein++ 2009-02-25 16:43:32 fak3r pag-in-ation-- 2009-02-25 16:43:38 erikhatcher fak3r: that nutch analysis tip (ngramming, now called "shingling") has been there for years 2009-02-25 16:43:42 fak3r mustache_comments++ 2009-02-25 16:43:43 ecorrado @hosts2009 2009-02-25 16:43:45 zoia ecorrado: Brown University/Providence, Rhode Island [269]; Columbus, OH [225]; Southeast Florida [176]; Bahía Blanca, Argentina [105] 2009-02-25 16:43:46 JodiS_ Can anybody read that URL? 2009-02-25 16:43:49 mjg_ OAI Protocol for Mustache Harvesting 2009-02-25 16:43:53 gsf behind royt's mustache is another mustache 2009-02-25 16:43:55 anarchivist @hosts2011 2009-02-25 16:43:56 zoia anarchivist: Umpire, Arkansas [97]; Buddha, Indiana [96]; Big Foot, Illinois [83]; Chestnut, Illinois [83]; Eek, Alaska [80]; Spread Eagle, Wisconsin [37]; Chicken, Alaska [29]; Roachtown, Illinois [28] 2009-02-25 16:44:00 JodiS_ @hosts2010 2009-02-25 16:44:01 zoia JodiS_: Asheville, NC [286]; Austin, TX [277]; Madison, WI [208]; Columbus, OH [155]; Bloomington, IN [118] 2009-02-25 16:44:02 jwn government intellectual property? 2009-02-25 16:44:04 fak3r erikhatcher: ah, I've played mostly w/hadoop - cool 2009-02-25 16:44:05 mjg_ mustaches all the way down 2009-02-25 16:44:06 abarrera http://roytennant.com/proto/hathi/ 2009-02-25 16:44:07 BigD mjg_: can you tell wiggly to settle down? 2009-02-25 16:44:09 robcaSSon mjg_++ # asshole...lolz 2009-02-25 16:44:12 anarchivist royt's mustache writes its own metadata 2009-02-25 16:44:12 kgs @hosts 2009 2009-02-25 16:44:14 JodiS_ abarrera++ 2009-02-25 16:44:14 zoia kgs: a chinferret? see http://www.tricyclebicyclecycle.org/dys/mg.jpg 2009-02-25 16:44:14 atz bonus point for using "mustachioed" 2009-02-25 16:44:15 jtgorman jtgorman wonders what the universe of possibilities is on crosswords 2009-02-25 16:44:16 scolford http://roytennant.com/proto/hathi/index.cgi 2009-02-25 16:44:19 jrochkind105 A hacking hottie? WHERE? 2009-02-25 16:44:20 mjg_ INFINITE MUSTACHE REGRESS 2009-02-25 16:44:23 kgs @hosts2009 2009-02-25 16:44:24 zoia kgs: Brown University/Providence, Rhode Island [269]; Columbus, OH [225]; Southeast Florida [176]; Bahía Blanca, Argentina [105] 2009-02-25 16:44:30 fak3r I'll take a hot toddie (drink) if you're getting up 2009-02-25 16:44:31 anarchivist jrochkind105: right here, big boy 2009-02-25 16:44:36 naomi jochkind105: look around 2009-02-25 16:44:38 akorphan droste effect moustache FTW 2009-02-25 16:44:39 JodiS_ scolford: brought the chumby down. find me at happy hour :) 2009-02-25 16:44:40 bess jrochkind105: right here! 2009-02-25 16:44:41 fak3r dchud++ 2009-02-25 16:44:44 mbklein scolford: The ISP has come up with some BS reason why the DNS changes I asked for can't be made the way I want them. 2009-02-25 16:44:47 jrochkind105 oh yeah, there's 200 of them in the room with me. 2009-02-25 16:44:47 jfereira hacking hottie to table 8 2009-02-25 16:44:49 lbjay @bartender fak3r 2009-02-25 16:44:51 mjg_ wiggly is excited by royt's mustache 2009-02-25 16:44:52 zoia zoia fills a pint glass with J.W. Dundee's Original Honey Brown, and sends it sliding down the bar to fak3r (http://beeradvocate.com/beer/profile/302/832/) 2009-02-25 16:44:53 erikhatcher JodiS_: chumby? i wanna see! 2009-02-25 16:44:54 JodiS_ code4lib++ 2009-02-25 16:44:56 ranti ranti thinks royt's mustache is a metamustache 2009-02-25 16:44:57 scolford jodiS_: oooo! 2009-02-25 16:44:59 fak3r mbklein: opendns ftw? 2009-02-25 16:45:01 mbklein jrochkind105: You go dawg. 2009-02-25 16:45:03 gsf deep down, we're all hacking hotties 2009-02-25 16:45:04 kgs goodbye, Columbus (had to say it) 2009-02-25 16:45:06 fak3r code4lib++ 2009-02-25 16:45:06 jfereira @bartender 2009-02-25 16:45:09 zoia zoia fills a pint glass with Ommegang Witte, and sends it sliding down the bar to jfereira (http://beeradvocate.com/beer/profile/42/16506/) 2009-02-25 16:45:11 fak3r sysadmin+- 2009-02-25 16:45:19 lbjay putting_your_nick_in_your_slides++ 2009-02-25 16:45:26 JodiS_ erikhatcher: screen's a bit smashed, but you and scolford are welcome to play 2009-02-25 16:45:32 mbklein royt's mustache has a mustache 2009-02-25 16:45:35 scolford mbklein: no way. can you forward that to me? 2009-02-25 16:45:36 fak3r lbjay++ 2009-02-25 16:45:42 jfereira Ommegang_Hennephin++ 2009-02-25 16:45:48 anarchivist ommegang++ 2009-02-25 16:45:48 naomi putting_your_knickers_in_your_slides-- 2009-02-25 16:45:48 MrDys that doesn't look like Jennifer Garner 2009-02-25 16:45:49 gsf so long, bloomington 2009-02-25 16:45:51 mjg_ royt: your mustache brings all the lice to the yard. 2009-02-25 16:45:52 fak3r "this is the IDS, open the door or we'll break it down" 2009-02-25 16:45:54 atz kgs: another year where the widest assembled group of collaborators can't get ppl to CMH 2009-02-25 16:45:57 kgs @sing James Brown: Hot Pants 2009-02-25 16:45:58 erikhatcher royt's mustache has a REST interface 2009-02-25 16:46:00 zoia One-two One-Two-Three uh! / Hot pants- hey hot pants uh! smokin / Hot pants- smokin that-hot pants / Thats where its at a-thats where its at 2009-02-25 16:46:06 BigD no white castles for me :( 2009-02-25 16:46:08 MrDys kgs++ 2009-02-25 16:46:14 lbjay kgs++ 2009-02-25 16:46:14 rsinger hot_pants++ 2009-02-25 16:46:15 edsu kgs++ 2009-02-25 16:46:16 akorphan white_castle++ 2009-02-25 16:46:18 anarchivist anarchivist wants another john nowlin lightning talk 2009-02-25 16:46:20 fak3r NIH 2009-02-25 16:46:30 rsinger comfortably_warm_pants++ 2009-02-25 16:46:36 JodiS_ @quote add deep down, we're all hacking hotties 2009-02-25 16:46:36 atz @sing flypaper 2009-02-25 16:46:36 BigD white_castle++ 2009-02-25 16:46:36 zoia JodiS_: The operation succeeded. Quote #1751 added. 2009-02-25 16:46:37 ecorrado @sing beastie boys 2009-02-25 16:46:38 zoia atz: No songs found by flypaper 2009-02-25 16:46:39 zoia Brad's off twisting a win / And I can't afford to pay the feds / And now I'm never late on Friday night / By a transit cop looking to fight, he said 2009-02-25 16:46:39 abarrera nowlin++ 2009-02-25 16:46:41 JodiS_ licensing!!! 2009-02-25 16:46:42 rsinger more the neil sedaka version, i guess 2009-02-25 16:46:43 JodiS_ who is this? 2009-02-25 16:46:44 robcaSSon BigD: does asheville have Krystals? 2009-02-25 16:46:47 anarchivist nowlin++ 2009-02-25 16:46:47 JodiS_ where's he from? 2009-02-25 16:46:51 JodiS_ John Nowlin? 2009-02-25 16:46:55 ecorrado krystals++ 2009-02-25 16:46:57 anarchivist JodiS_: florida 2009-02-25 16:46:57 BigD robcaSSon: HERESY! 2009-02-25 16:46:58 mbklein @sing body count 2009-02-25 16:47:01 zoia she taught me hate for race / that's why I hate you! / There's only one way I can make it right, / momma's gotta die tonight. 2009-02-25 16:47:01 fak3r Rights to Ill? 2009-02-25 16:47:02 rsinger krystals-- 2009-02-25 16:47:06 jfereira He almost said fun 2009-02-25 16:47:08 rsinger squares from hell 2009-02-25 16:47:10 anarchivist JodiS_: he had the slide with the tighty whities around florida last year 2009-02-25 16:47:11 robcaSSon BigD: it's at least close. 2009-02-25 16:47:12 fak3r @sing refused 2009-02-25 16:47:13 rsinger with the onions stapled on 2009-02-25 16:47:14 zoia Fuck the idol, idol - Let's keep our eyes wide open / Reject the star / The rhymes of revolution / Poetry written in gasoline 2009-02-25 16:47:16 kgs CCLA, Nowlin is great. He was in the office next to mine when I worked there 2009-02-25 16:47:20 harmless Krystals? What's that? Chain of bars? 2009-02-25 16:47:24 kgs he has a great singing voice... just so you know 2009-02-25 16:47:26 robcaSSon robcaSSon snorts. 2009-02-25 16:47:27 gsf anarchivist: this is that guy? 2009-02-25 16:47:28 JodiS_ anarchivist: ok, I remember him :) from Wash/Or, but works for FL 2009-02-25 16:47:29 anarchivist kgs: he embodies the c4l sprit 2009-02-25 16:47:31 scolford krystals++ 2009-02-25 16:47:31 anarchivist gsf: no 2009-02-25 16:47:32 fak3r hey, zoia knows refused! w00t 2009-02-25 16:47:34 robcaSSon almost forgot the nowlin 2009-02-25 16:47:43 eom he was hilarious 2009-02-25 16:47:47 gsf anarchivist: yeah, he was different shaped 2009-02-25 16:47:49 wickr no, this isn't nowlin 2009-02-25 16:47:50 mjg_ so who is this gentleman? 2009-02-25 16:47:51 scolford harmless: white castle of the south 2009-02-25 16:47:55 JodiS_ oh, John Nowlin = FL facebook (tighty whitey) guy 2009-02-25 16:47:55 anarchivist gsf: he's here thsi year 2009-02-25 16:47:57 kgs he's here, just not in channel. I know I love that presentation... Underpants Man 2009-02-25 16:47:58 wickr JodiS_: this guy is at SUNY Geneseo 2009-02-25 16:47:58 mjg_ mjg_ was distracted by a mustache 2009-02-25 16:48:03 JodiS_ wickr++ 2009-02-25 16:48:06 akorphan akorphan is a fan of Sonic Burger 2009-02-25 16:48:12 jwn hilarias lightning talks are hard work 2009-02-25 16:48:17 steambadger We all have Krystal in the south. 2009-02-25 16:48:21 MrDys western ny in the haaas 2009-02-25 16:48:26 kgs John Nowlin is fairly tall with white hair 2009-02-25 16:48:28 fak3r the Illiad and the Odyssey 2009-02-25 16:48:30 JodiS_ licensing is a really big deal 2009-02-25 16:48:32 steambadger It was in the confederate constitution. 2009-02-25 16:48:32 naomi magick krystals? 2009-02-25 16:48:33 rsinger "We all suffer from Krystals down here" 2009-02-25 16:48:37 harmless nc is in The South? 2009-02-25 16:48:42 fak3r harmless: y 2009-02-25 16:48:43 jbrinley JodiS_: names/titles are being logged at http://code4lib.org/conference/2009/lightning 2009-02-25 16:48:43 mbklein Krystals Meth? 2009-02-25 16:48:44 bess bess is continually amazed at the huge parts of library business practices that she has never encountered before. 2009-02-25 16:48:45 ejk white castle sliders have a pretty short half-life 2009-02-25 16:48:45 JodiS_ harmless: yes 2009-02-25 16:48:45 anarchivist @herald get anarchivist 2009-02-25 16:48:46 zoia anarchivist: ℬÅ℞ℬℚ 2009-02-25 16:48:55 abarrera http://flickr.com/photos/nengard/2296745771/ 2009-02-25 16:48:56 BigD bess: me2 2009-02-25 16:48:56 JodiS_ harmless: Mason-Dixon line is in MD/Virginia 2009-02-25 16:48:56 rsinger separatist blue south 2009-02-25 16:48:57 jfereira www.ashvillebars.com 2009-02-25 16:48:58 atz harmless.... um, yeah... NC is very southern 2009-02-25 16:48:59 fak3r logging_titles+ 2009-02-25 16:48:59 JodiS_ jbrinley++ :) 2009-02-25 16:49:02 iand harmless: surely the n means north, so it must be in canada? 2009-02-25 16:49:02 gsf kgs: any tattoos or identifying birth spots? 2009-02-25 16:49:05 edsu harmless: northern hemisphere tho 2009-02-25 16:49:05 mjg_ anarchivist++ 2009-02-25 16:49:14 JodiS_ jbrinley++ 2009-02-25 16:49:15 mbklein JodiS_: Actually along the border between MD and PA 2009-02-25 16:49:18 abarrera and http://flickr.com/photos/nengard/2296742279/in/photostream/ 2009-02-25 16:49:19 JodiS_ jbinley++ 2009-02-25 16:49:20 anarchivist carolina++ 2009-02-25 16:49:20 harmless iand: i'm canadian and haven't seen it there ;) 2009-02-25 16:49:33 JodiS_ mbklein: ok, that makes more sense (know I passed it on my trip to NC) 2009-02-25 16:49:35 timmcgeary bess: this is a huge issue that my group has to deal with 2009-02-25 16:49:36 iand harmless: I think it was moved recently 2009-02-25 16:49:42 fak3r clap... 2009-02-25 16:49:48 timmcgeary that's a great service 2009-02-25 16:49:53 lbjay are there pics of the recent c4l regionals in NYC? 2009-02-25 16:49:54 BigD mmm, sliders... http://www.flickr.com/photos/bigdpix/2743598038/ 2009-02-25 16:49:57 akorphan very neat 2009-02-25 16:49:58 naomi looks like 10 to go ... 2009-02-25 16:49:58 mbklein JodiS_: MD/VA is where the IHOP-Waffle House line is. 2009-02-25 16:49:59 fak3r who's gonna pass the mike to ashville? 2009-02-25 16:50:06 akorphan cazzerson++ 2009-02-25 16:50:07 harmless iand: they can move the mason-dixon line? so like ... historical revisionism? 2009-02-25 16:50:07 steambadger Actually, NC and SC where recently flipped around an EW axis. 2009-02-25 16:50:13 fak3r does ashville keep the trophy now until next year? 2009-02-25 16:50:20 fak3r fonts++ 2009-02-25 16:50:22 ecorrado harmless: they actually did move it 2009-02-25 16:50:30 gsf ksclarke must represent 2009-02-25 16:50:38 mjg_ JodiS_: border between PA/DE and MD, I think. 2009-02-25 16:50:40 ecorrado but that was a long time ago 2009-02-25 16:50:40 rsinger open apple close apple cmd delete 2009-02-25 16:50:41 iand harmless: it's not actually a real line :) 2009-02-25 16:50:41 fak3r 'Ask us' - tie it to the chan 2009-02-25 16:50:51 anarchivist hyper-shift-meta-cokebottle-cokebottle 2009-02-25 16:50:57 anarchivist anarchivist sets the buckybit 2009-02-25 16:50:59 ejk stickfigure++ 2009-02-25 16:51:00 fak3r stick_figure_in_peril++ 2009-02-25 16:51:03 jbrinley stick_person++ 2009-02-25 16:51:05 edsu @uri ashville, north carolina 2009-02-25 16:51:06 zoia edsu: DBpedia has URIs for... Asheville metropolitan area - http://dbpedia.org/resource/Asheville%2C_North_Carolina 2009-02-25 16:51:14 fak3r flip camera bottom left 2009-02-25 16:51:19 anarchivist Kerwick++ 2009-02-25 16:51:21 mbklein chmod g+x mjgiarlo 2009-02-25 16:51:35 rsinger spelcheck 2009-02-25 16:51:36 rsinger _ 2009-02-25 16:51:38 rsinger + 2009-02-25 16:51:40 naomi calling_a_graph_a_visualization-- 2009-02-25 16:51:42 harmless where are some ratebeer/beeradvocate links to brews from nc to build enthusiasm for next year? 2009-02-25 16:51:46 Kerwick Thanks - not sure I made any sense :-) 2009-02-25 16:51:46 rsinger rsinger-- 2009-02-25 16:51:47 MrDys naomi: how is it not? 2009-02-25 16:51:52 anarchivist rsinger-- 2009-02-25 16:51:54 fak3r `chgrp -R code4lib fak3r` 2009-02-25 16:52:02 anarchivist anarchivist sets rsinger's keyboard to dvorak 2009-02-25 16:52:06 fak3r looks like the stock market 2009-02-25 16:52:09 jwn graph looks like my 401K 2009-02-25 16:52:12 gsf my visualizations are more like in altered states 2009-02-25 16:52:13 akorphan i made that chart! 2009-02-25 16:52:13 jbrinley @dow 2009-02-25 16:52:15 fak3r that looks like pie 2009-02-25 16:52:15 naomi MrDys: why not call it a "graph"? 2009-02-25 16:52:17 zoia jbrinley: An error has occurred and has been logged. Please contact this bot's administrator for more information. 2009-02-25 16:52:18 JodiS_ harmless: there's a google map linked from the proposal page 2009-02-25 16:52:20 edsu @uri professor griff 2009-02-25 16:52:21 zoia edsu: DBpedia has URIs for... American Muslims - http://dbpedia.org/resource/Professor_Griff 2009-02-25 16:52:22 jbrinley @sandp 2009-02-25 16:52:24 zoia jbrinley: An error has occurred and has been logged. Please contact this bot's administrator for more information. 2009-02-25 16:52:24 anarchivist anarchivist switched rsinger's keyboard for folger's Krystals 2009-02-25 16:52:29 MrDys naomi: tomato, tomahto 2009-02-25 16:52:30 jbrinley @nasdaq 2009-02-25 16:52:34 zoia jbrinley: 1,425.43; -16.40 (-1.14%) 2009-02-25 16:52:35 rsinger let's see if he notices 2009-02-25 16:52:37 mjg_ mbklein: please do not execute me. 2009-02-25 16:52:41 anarchivist @dunno search dvorak 2009-02-25 16:52:42 zoia anarchivist: 1 found: #19: "your problem is you're not on dvorak" 2009-02-25 16:52:52 jfereira Weeping Radish Brewery Manteo, NC 2009-02-25 16:52:54 fak3r qwerty_ftw++ 2009-02-25 16:52:55 naomi MrDys: i have higher hopes for information visualization 2009-02-25 16:53:11 MrDys that looks like george washington lying down 2009-02-25 16:53:11 fak3r made_up_graphs++ # always win! 2009-02-25 16:53:16 edsu made_up_graphs++ 2009-02-25 16:53:16 steambadger Duck Rabbit -- great Porter. http://www.duckrabbitbrewery.com/ 2009-02-25 16:53:19 fak3r MrDys++ 2009-02-25 16:53:21 naomi MrDys++ 2009-02-25 16:53:21 robcaSSon MrDys++ 2009-02-25 16:53:22 jwn it looks like the mountains around asheville 2009-02-25 16:53:27 mjg_ jmcasden++ 2009-02-25 16:53:28 fak3r porters r good 2009-02-25 16:53:30 bess duck_rabbit++ 2009-02-25 16:53:32 mbklein anarchivist: I saw a tag-team demo at ALA 2007 where the laptop was set to Dvorak, and the second member of the tag team didn't know how to type on it. 2009-02-25 16:53:43 ecorrado who needs data when you can just make it up! 2009-02-25 16:53:47 gsf MrDys: george washington never lies down 2009-02-25 16:53:49 mbklein anarchivist: It was a major presentation planning FAIL. 2009-02-25 16:53:49 fak3r "what's working? when?" 2009-02-25 16:53:56 mjg_ george washington, george washington 2009-02-25 16:53:56 rsinger mbklein: was one of that team gsf ? 2009-02-25 16:53:59 edsu @dunno add please do not execute me! 2009-02-25 16:54:00 zoia edsu: The operation succeeded. Dunno #307 added. 2009-02-25 16:54:00 fak3r gsf: no, he never lies 2009-02-25 16:54:05 gsf MrDys: you're the one lying down 2009-02-25 16:54:08 anarchivist anarchivist switches rsinger's keyboard to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blickensderfer_typewriter#Layouts 2009-02-25 16:54:12 jtgorman @dnd 2009-02-25 16:54:13 zoia jtgorman: strength:12 dexterity:13 constitution:17 intelligence:17 wisdom:8 charisma:13 2009-02-25 16:54:23 fak3r @dnd 2009-02-25 16:54:25 zoia fak3r: strength:13 dexterity:10 constitution:14 intelligence:10 wisdom:15 charisma:14 2009-02-25 16:54:27 LibraryThingT you rolling three dice or four? 2009-02-25 16:54:27 fak3r fun! 2009-02-25 16:54:34 ejk @dnd 2009-02-25 16:54:35 zoia ejk: strength:14 dexterity:14 constitution:9 intelligence:16 wisdom:14 charisma:15 2009-02-25 16:54:36 jtgorman LibraryThingTim: never peekd at the code 2009-02-25 16:54:36 fak3r 20_sided_dice++ 2009-02-25 16:54:56 jtgorman LibraryThingTim: I'd wager four...but it's hard to tell 2009-02-25 16:55:02 rsinger @ana DHIATENSOR keyboards 2009-02-25 16:55:04 zoia rsinger: Drab adroit hokeyness 2009-02-25 16:55:15 jtgorman @developer 2009-02-25 16:55:16 zoia jtgorman: Communication:10, BigPicture:17, DetailOriented:12, KungFu:17, GetsStuffDone:15, FlakeFactor:10 2009-02-25 16:55:16 anarchivist @herald DHIATENSOR keyboards 2009-02-25 16:55:18 zoia anarchivist: Font up! 2009-02-25 16:55:19 edsu @moe 2009-02-25 16:55:19 zoia edsu: Oliver Clothesoff! Call for Oliver Clothesoff! 2009-02-25 16:55:23 anarchivist @hussein DHIATENSOR keyboards 2009-02-25 16:55:24 zoia anarchivist: Beauty! Dishonored rakishness 2009-02-25 16:55:27 fak3r so visualize usage data by making up a graph? can do! 2009-02-25 16:55:35 lbjay @inaworld [moe] 2009-02-25 16:55:36 fak3r signup_fail++ 2009-02-25 16:55:36 zoia In a world... where Mike Rotch! Mike Rotch! Hey, has anybody seen Mike Rotch lately? 2009-02-25 16:55:36 rsinger @hussein [moe] 2009-02-25 16:55:38 zoia rsinger: Crap! Oh Hell! Laconical fool 2009-02-25 16:55:46 fak3r shame_succeeded! 2009-02-25 16:55:53 anarchivist @hussein [quote random] 2009-02-25 16:55:54 zoia anarchivist: Hot shred quick joint 2009-02-25 16:55:55 mjg_ ejlynema++ 2009-02-25 16:56:01 gsf @cyborg dlfilsbdiapi 2009-02-25 16:56:02 fak3r TLAs gone wild 2009-02-25 16:56:03 zoia gsf: Names can't have more than 10 letters. Please enter another name. 2009-02-25 16:56:07 anarchivist zoia: see robcaSSon about that 2009-02-25 16:56:09 zoia anarchivist: i don't know. maybe you should ask the evil prince or the kobold chieftain. 2009-02-25 16:56:10 rsinger mbklein: oh yeah, speaking of... 2009-02-25 16:56:16 anarchivist evil_prince++ 2009-02-25 16:56:18 fak3r you cannot have any spaces in your username, fail 2009-02-25 16:56:24 anarchivist kochief++ 2009-02-25 16:56:25 robcaSSon evil_prince++ 2009-02-25 16:56:27 akorphan dlf ils bdi api wtf bbq 2009-02-25 16:56:30 fak3r granny smith apple, shift N 2009-02-25 16:56:32 mjg_ dchud to the rescue 2009-02-25 16:56:38 anarchivist @herald get anarchivist 2009-02-25 16:56:38 zoia anarchivist: ℬÅ℞ℬℚ 2009-02-25 16:56:42 bjy apple-- 2009-02-25 16:56:48 ejk two finger salute 2009-02-25 16:56:50 lbjay you people and your macs 2009-02-25 16:56:52 ecorrado whateverwhatever++ 2009-02-25 16:56:56 edsu @twit 2009-02-25 16:56:56 gsf damn, for a second i thought she said peter binkley 2009-02-25 16:56:58 zoia edsu: ButtercupD: just finished a $16 cheeseburger. yes, meat on ash wednesday. so much for lent. 2009-02-25 16:56:59 anarchivist your problem is that you don't have enough hands 2009-02-25 16:57:02 fak3r quote too long for presentation 2009-02-25 16:57:08 gsf i mean, they're both cool 2009-02-25 16:57:16 royt it's Acrobat, not Mac 2009-02-25 16:57:17 mbklein rsinger: speaking of... 2009-02-25 16:57:18 mbklein ? 2009-02-25 16:57:21 JodiS_ presentation software is HARD 2009-02-25 16:57:23 fak3r spoiler: jangle mention on last page 2009-02-25 16:57:24 anarchivist royt: nah, it's preview 2009-02-25 16:57:24 timmcgeary clapping++ 2009-02-25 16:57:32 anarchivist preview's usability sux fullscreen 2009-02-25 16:57:32 rsinger mbklein: this 2009-02-25 16:57:32 timmcgeary damnit fak3r 2009-02-25 16:57:38 fak3r when I'm up there it's all about big flashcards! 2009-02-25 16:57:46 edsu stable_links++ 2009-02-25 16:57:48 mjg_ "everyone but III" 2009-02-25 16:57:48 anarchivist iii-- 2009-02-25 16:57:50 fak3r bob dylan style, dig? 2009-02-25 16:57:50 anarchivist iii-- 2009-02-25 16:57:50 LibraryThingT Looks like four (best three of four). Otherwise you get half-wits. 2009-02-25 16:57:50 LibraryThingT Yeah. Damn. A childhood well spent. 2009-02-25 16:57:51 LibraryThingT it just works! 2009-02-25 16:57:51 naomi fak3r: we want an interpretive dance 2009-02-25 16:57:52 anarchivist iii-- 2009-02-25 16:57:54 anarchivist iii-- 2009-02-25 16:57:55 LibraryThingT Why aren't we using PowerPoint? 2009-02-25 16:57:55 anarchivist iii-- 2009-02-25 16:57:55 shanlera61 iii-- 2009-02-25 16:57:58 bjy iii-- 2009-02-25 16:58:00 lbjay @dance 2009-02-25 16:58:00 mbklein rsinger: Yeah, I'm not sure I'm getting what I need out of this. :) 2009-02-25 16:58:01 zoia o/ 2009-02-25 16:58:02 robcaSSon and it begins 2009-02-25 16:58:02 zoia /| 2009-02-25 16:58:03 zoia >> 2009-02-25 16:58:05 JodiS_ iii-- 2009-02-25 16:58:05 naomi iii-- 2009-02-25 16:58:06 abarrera @karma iii 2009-02-25 16:58:06 zoia abarrera: Karma for "iii" has been increased 9 times and decreased 181 times for a total karma of -172. 2009-02-25 16:58:09 fak3r LibraryThingTim: dunno, but mroe ppl would know how to use it 2009-02-25 16:58:09 timmcgeary it isn't support, right? It's endorsing 2009-02-25 16:58:12 ejk iii--- 2009-02-25 16:58:16 bjy not low enough 2009-02-25 16:58:19 bjy iii-- 2009-02-25 16:58:23 ecorrado @karma 2009-02-25 16:58:25 zoia ecorrado: Highest karma: "edsu" (1072), "mjgiarlo" (1055), and "dbs" (865). Lowest karma: "iii" (-173), "sirsidynix" (-73), and "-" (-56). You (ecorrado) are ranked 29 out of 8783. 2009-02-25 16:58:27 mjg_ @most decreated 2009-02-25 16:58:27 JodiS_ _ksclarke! 2009-02-25 16:58:28 zoia mjg_: (most [] {increased,decreased,active}) -- Returns the most increased, the most decreased, or the most active (the sum of increased and decreased) karma things. is only necessary if the message isn't sent in the channel itself. 2009-02-25 16:58:28 ejk @karma iii- 2009-02-25 16:58:28 robcaSSon robcaSSon was stoned in-channel 9 times 2009-02-25 16:58:28 fak3r oai_pmh++ 2009-02-25 16:58:28 lbjay @inaworld [karma iii] 2009-02-25 16:58:29 zoia ejk: Karma for "iii-" has been increased 0 times and decreased 2 times for a total karma of -2. 2009-02-25 16:58:30 zoia In a world... where Karma for "iii" has been increased 9 times and decreased 182 times for a total karma of -173. 2009-02-25 16:58:31 mjg_ @most decreased 2009-02-25 16:58:33 anarchivist @mf [band] 2009-02-25 16:58:33 zoia zoia mjg_: "iii": 182, "zoia": 154, "dbs": 126, "robcaSSon": 126, "edsu": 120, "mjgiarlo": 114, "sirsidynix": 83, "rsinger": 77, "lbjay": 69, "-": 58, "jrochkind": 48, "royt": 43, "voyager": 39, "jtgorman": 39, "ie": 34, "ksclarke": 34, "mbklein": 32, "<-": 29, "anarchivist": 29, "PHP": 26, "rob_desk": 25, "firefox": 25, "JodiS": 25, "ibahn": 24, and "gsf": 24 2009-02-25 16:58:34 shanlera61 AAA++ 2009-02-25 16:58:37 zoia Hey, Voltage Miser... 2009-02-25 16:58:39 zoia .-. 2009-02-25 16:58:41 zoia |-| 2009-02-25 16:58:43 zoia | | 2009-02-25 16:58:45 _ksclarke JodiS hey 2009-02-25 16:58:45 zoia _.-|=|-. 2009-02-25 16:58:47 zoia / | | | | 2009-02-25 16:58:49 zoia | |\ 2009-02-25 16:58:51 zoia | / 2009-02-25 16:58:53 zoia \ /` 2009-02-25 16:58:55 mbklein dbs is the most decreased human? 2009-02-25 16:58:55 zoia | | 2009-02-25 16:58:57 abarrera mjgiarlo-- 2009-02-25 16:58:59 fak3r if [something != something_else]; then... 2009-02-25 16:59:07 robcaSSon mbklein: we're tied 2009-02-25 16:59:07 anarchivist @most increased 2009-02-25 16:59:09 zoia zoia anarchivist: "edsu": 1192, "mjgiarlo": 1169, "dbs": 991, "rsinger": 912, "lbjay": 701, "gsf": 637, "robcaSSon": 592, "zoia": 544, "jtgorman": 513, "jbrinley": 485, "jrochkind": 471, "anarchivist": 470, "royt": 436, "mbklein": 416, "dchud": 399, "ksclarke": 362, "wickr": 314, "MrDys": 295, "erikhatcher": 236, "eby": 208, "JodiS": 202, "BenO": 200, "BillDueber": 195, "jaron": 195, and "jaf": 174 2009-02-25 16:59:18 dbs tied like dogs in heat 2009-02-25 16:59:19 fak3r 10 print "fak3r"; 20 goto 10 2009-02-25 16:59:32 abarrera robcaSSon-- # not anymore 2009-02-25 16:59:38 mbklein robcaSSon: Congratulations...Only iii and zoia are more despised than you. 2009-02-25 16:59:39 gsf dbs-- 2009-02-25 16:59:41 anarchivist ROSS DOESNT LIVE HERE ANYMORE 2009-02-25 16:59:53 bess jangle++ 2009-02-25 16:59:57 timmcgeary jangle++ 2009-02-25 16:59:57 gsf dbs: too vivid you are 2009-02-25 16:59:58 abarrera robcaSSon-- # take that gsf 2009-02-25 16:59:59 dbs gsf: you're just bitter because you couldn't share a room with me 2009-02-25 17:00:00 fak3r xc, dls dlf - huh? 2009-02-25 17:00:03 naomi bess++ 2009-02-25 17:00:14 fak3r KLF? 2009-02-25 17:00:15 anarchivist DLF, UH HUH, UH HUH UH HUH 2009-02-25 17:00:20 fak3r "enter the tardis"? 2009-02-25 17:00:24 dbs s/bitter/relieved/ 2009-02-25 17:00:24 mjg_ anarchivist++ 2009-02-25 17:00:25 akorphan DLF is gonna rock you 2009-02-25 17:00:26 fak3r anarchivist++ 2009-02-25 17:00:27 akorphan Are you ready? 2009-02-25 17:00:27 mbklein djangle++ 2009-02-25 17:00:43 JodiS_ rsinger++ 2009-02-25 17:00:43 fak3r dlfangle? 2009-02-25 17:00:47 MrDys @sing KLF : 3am eternal 2009-02-25 17:00:49 anarchivist wankel_rotary_engine++ 2009-02-25 17:00:50 gsf dbs: it's so cold and empty in there 2009-02-25 17:00:52 mbklein djfiangle? 2009-02-25 17:00:52 JodiS_ jangle++ 2009-02-25 17:00:57 atz dlfandango? 2009-02-25 17:00:59 zoia MrDys: No lyrics for 3am eternal by KLF. Searched lyricwiki & lyricsty 2009-02-25 17:01:02 naomi mr. bowdjangles 2009-02-25 17:01:15 mbklein Step 2: Put your USB drive in the box 2009-02-25 17:01:19 jwn device_removal-- 2009-02-25 17:01:19 ejk @rate code4lihb code4lieb 2009-02-25 17:01:21 fak3r cereal solutions 2009-02-25 17:01:24 zoia ejk: code4lihb: ?; code4lieb: ?. 2009-02-25 17:01:24 lbjay spoiler: he's going to apologize for the hard sell 2009-02-25 17:01:25 gsf severe hazing here 2009-02-25 17:01:28 fak3r mbklein++ 2009-02-25 17:01:30 robcaSSon mbklein++ 2009-02-25 17:01:31 naomi code4lied 2009-02-25 17:01:34 timmcgeary not_knowing_where_to_put_your_stick-- 2009-02-25 17:01:37 mbklein pandering-- 2009-02-25 17:01:38 mjg_ better summon a working usb bus 2009-02-25 17:01:38 fak3r hazing-- 2009-02-25 17:01:39 abarrera fak3r++ 2009-02-25 17:01:44 BigD trying_to_hard++ 2009-02-25 17:01:45 fak3r bacon_ref fail 2009-02-25 17:01:45 naomi timmcgeary!! 2009-02-25 17:01:48 ecorrado @rate powerpoint pdf 2009-02-25 17:01:52 zoia ecorrado: powerpoint: 0.6; pdf: 4.8. powerpoint sucks! 2009-02-25 17:01:56 jfereira @rate bacon tofu 2009-02-25 17:01:58 fak3r bacon/tofu cage match 2009-02-25 17:01:58 zoia jfereira: bacon: 9.9; tofu: 8.8. bacon rocks! 2009-02-25 17:02:03 edsu @naf francis bacon 2009-02-25 17:02:05 zoia edsu: [9 matches] [1] Bacon, Francis, 1561-1626 ; [2] Bacon, Francis, 1909-1992 ; [3] Bacon, Francis ; [4] Bacon, Francis, 1831-1912 ; [5] Bacon, Francis L. (Francis Leonard), 1889-1958 ; [6] Bacon, David Francis, (1 more message) 2009-02-25 17:02:05 BigD shouldn't nagy do that? 2009-02-25 17:02:07 akorphan @rate klf dlf 2009-02-25 17:02:12 zoia akorphan: klf: 9.9; dlf: 9.9. dlf rocks! 2009-02-25 17:02:15 anarchivist http://cache.gawker.com/assets/images/kotaku/2009/02/wrestle_jam_grab.jpg 2009-02-25 17:02:16 MrDys beLIEve 2009-02-25 17:02:17 abarrera salespitch-- 2009-02-25 17:02:17 fak3r I want to believe! 2009-02-25 17:02:18 gsf this guy really adapts 2009-02-25 17:02:19 naomi has he been drinking Sean's magick koolaid? 2009-02-25 17:02:20 lbjay i guess i was wrong 2009-02-25 17:02:26 mbklein YES WE CAN 2009-02-25 17:02:27 lbjay wtf? 2009-02-25 17:02:30 JodiS_ sean's_koolaid-- 2009-02-25 17:02:30 fak3r scully? is that you? 2009-02-25 17:02:31 anarchivist magick_koolaid++ 2009-02-25 17:02:36 timmcgeary SOA: Believe 2009-02-25 17:02:36 ejk randomslidecolors++ 2009-02-25 17:02:36 atz @ana DLF ILS API 2009-02-25 17:02:37 glennewton Vendors get lightnings to continue their sell job?? 2009-02-25 17:02:37 zoia atz: Dial splif 2009-02-25 17:02:38 wickr this is a poor imitation of MrDys 2009-02-25 17:02:38 akorphan Mulder? 2009-02-25 17:02:41 anarchivist ROSS DOESNT LIVE HERE ANYMORE 2009-02-25 17:02:42 pmurray Good heavens -- I go away for an hour or so and there are 1623 unread IRC messages! 2009-02-25 17:02:44 jwn dire_extrapolations bad 2009-02-25 17:02:45 edsu WE WILL BE GOOGLE 2009-02-25 17:02:45 fak3r wickr: ya 2009-02-25 17:02:46 mjg_ This is the awesomest turnaround since Ted Haggard 2009-02-25 17:02:48 iand what is it with code4lib and wackout colours? 2009-02-25 17:02:52 anarchivist mjg_++ 2009-02-25 17:02:55 gsf wickr: yeah, where's the tie? 2009-02-25 17:02:56 fak3r ted_haggard++ 2009-02-25 17:03:00 timmcgeary mjg_++ 2009-02-25 17:03:00 robcaSSon mjg_++ 2009-02-25 17:03:01 shanlera61 BS 2009-02-25 17:03:06 wickr glennewton: well, things are wide open 2009-02-25 17:03:06 mbklein The pandering is even more evident when you notice that the filename was "Stupid Slides.ppt" 2009-02-25 17:03:08 BigD pmurray: there are 3 gems in there. find them. 2009-02-25 17:03:10 abarrera mjg_++ 2009-02-25 17:03:11 mpark i'm getting sunburned 2009-02-25 17:03:13 fak3r library_centric-- 2009-02-25 17:03:15 JodiS_ mbklein++ 2009-02-25 17:03:16 endupok more expensively 2009-02-25 17:03:18 shanlera61 tgf summon 2009-02-25 17:03:18 MrDys http://dysinterested.com/summon.png 2009-02-25 17:03:19 fak3r oss ftw! 2009-02-25 17:03:20 MrDys MrDys-- 2009-02-25 17:03:21 anarchivist mpark: i'm working on my tan 2009-02-25 17:03:22 robcaSSon solr 2009-02-25 17:03:22 atz pmurray.... it's the middle of the conf! 2009-02-25 17:03:22 fak3r solr, again? 2009-02-25 17:03:23 mbklein (unless it was "Summon Slides.ppt" and I just can't see) 2009-02-25 17:03:24 pmurray BigD: Damn -- My scrollback buffer doesn't go that far back. 2009-02-25 17:03:24 lbjay i think i can hear petercline's teeth grinding from here 2009-02-25 17:03:26 anarchivist mpark: ask BigD 2009-02-25 17:03:28 rsinger The reports of my demise... 2009-02-25 17:03:29 kat3 mbklein: i saw that 2009-02-25 17:03:30 fak3r shamwow! 2009-02-25 17:03:30 rsinger wait, wtf 2009-02-25 17:03:33 shanlera61 lunar++ 2009-02-25 17:03:33 mjg_ MrDys++ MrDys++ MrDys++ 2009-02-25 17:03:34 ejk 3 =LEMON, 4=LIME 2009-02-25 17:03:34 robcaSSon solr++ # obviously 2009-02-25 17:03:35 jwn what would you call that color? 2009-02-25 17:03:37 rsinger summon again? 2009-02-25 17:03:38 fak3r MrDys++ 2009-02-25 17:03:40 abarrera BigD takes big shards 2009-02-25 17:03:41 shanlera61 a playdate 2009-02-25 17:03:42 bjy shamwow 2009-02-25 17:03:45 anarchivist summon_yellow++ 2009-02-25 17:03:48 JodiS_ this makes me think: Pabst. (as in marketing strategy) 2009-02-25 17:03:49 ecorrado @cyborg summon 2009-02-25 17:03:49 gsf rsinger: catsup! 2009-02-25 17:03:52 bess jwn: that color is post-asparagus-pee color 2009-02-25 17:03:52 fak3r smash the DMRC! 2009-02-25 17:03:52 zoia ecorrado: S.U.M.M.O.N.: Synthetic Upgraded Machine Manufactured for Online Nullification 2009-02-25 17:03:53 akorphan @rate omg wtf bbq 2009-02-25 17:03:54 jwn i've seen my kids produce it when they were little 2009-02-25 17:03:55 erikhatcher fak3r: the sun is always shining! 2009-02-25 17:03:57 zoia akorphan: omg: 8.9; wtf: 9.5; bbq: 9.9. bbq rocks! 2009-02-25 17:03:59 mbklein bess++ 2009-02-25 17:04:06 anarchivist anarchivist reads a scroll of summon cool URIs 2009-02-25 17:04:13 mjg_ I'm going to need to summon bifocals soon 2009-02-25 17:04:13 fak3r smaller index? sounds personal 2009-02-25 17:04:13 erikhatcher bess: ewwww 2009-02-25 17:04:14 timmcgeary bess: eewwwww 2009-02-25 17:04:15 JodiS_ where is the content? 2009-02-25 17:04:18 Kerwick wow...my presentation was really drab colored... 2009-02-25 17:04:22 cschx @ana believe technology 2009-02-25 17:04:22 zoia cschx: Gooey, hell-bent vice 2009-02-25 17:04:25 anarchivist you following me camera guy? 2009-02-25 17:04:26 jfereira @sing harry nillson : put the lime in the coconut 2009-02-25 17:04:27 fak3r too many words per slide? 2009-02-25 17:04:28 dlovins @cyborg bacon 2009-02-25 17:04:28 zoia jfereira: No lyrics for put the lime in the coconut by harry nillson. Searched lyricwiki & lyricsty 2009-02-25 17:04:29 mjg_ Kerwick++ 2009-02-25 17:04:30 zoia dlovins: B.A.C.O.N.: Biomechanical Artificial Construct Optimized for Nullification 2009-02-25 17:04:31 JodiS_ 5 minutes of demo would have been way better 2009-02-25 17:04:33 fak3r google_load_fail 2009-02-25 17:04:35 fak3r this might work! 2009-02-25 17:04:36 mbklein bess++ ignore those miscreants 2009-02-25 17:04:40 akorphan @rate slapchop shamwow 2009-02-25 17:04:42 fak3r the internets is brok3n 2009-02-25 17:04:45 zoia akorphan: slapchop: 0.0; shamwow: 2.0. slapchop sucks! 2009-02-25 17:04:47 shanlera61 blinky 2009-02-25 17:04:49 timmcgeary google_down++ 2009-02-25 17:04:53 edsu @ana providence is at your doorstep 2009-02-25 17:04:55 zoia edsu: Oppressive, unodored atrocity 2009-02-25 17:04:56 LibraryThingT libraries_pitting_themselves_against_google-- 2009-02-25 17:04:58 robcaSSon keylogger? 2009-02-25 17:04:58 mib_tnu5gb0t less than a minute to go 2009-02-25 17:05:02 mbklein zoia++ 2009-02-25 17:05:03 MikeTaylor I blame the font choice. 2009-02-25 17:05:06 JodiS_ libraries_pitting_themselves_against_google-- 2009-02-25 17:05:06 fak3r passwd steal 2009-02-25 17:05:08 mbklein edsu++ for the setup 2009-02-25 17:05:10 robcaSSon i believe 2009-02-25 17:05:11 dlovins zoia++ 2009-02-25 17:05:12 BigD if you type "google" into google, you'll bring the internet down 2009-02-25 17:05:13 fak3r keylogger++ 2009-02-25 17:05:14 ejk password = "password" 2009-02-25 17:05:15 JodiS_ libraries_not_learning_from_google-- 2009-02-25 17:05:18 lbjay JodiS_++ 2009-02-25 17:05:21 bess erikhatcher: was it you who said "ls is not broken" ? I love that. 2009-02-25 17:05:25 fak3r password="default" 2009-02-25 17:05:29 edsu i would like to do a 4 anarchivist reads a scroll of summon cool URIs 2009-02-25 17:05:38 bjy password= 2009-02-25 17:05:39 lbjay LibraryThingTim++ 2009-02-25 17:05:42 edsu heheh, whoops :) 2009-02-25 17:05:42 mjg_ "good librarians search; great librarians google." 2009-02-25 17:05:44 mbklein Pretty 2009-02-25 17:05:45 LibraryThingT anyone from Google here? 2009-02-25 17:05:46 JodiS_ "everything that I might expect"? boy, you underestimate me. and what I can notice in 10 sec 2009-02-25 17:05:50 wickr include ane exclude with check boxes? 2009-02-25 17:05:51 mib_al7bayth username? 2009-02-25 17:05:52 timmcgeary mjg_++ 2009-02-25 17:05:53 fak3r done! 2009-02-25 17:05:55 bess JodiS_++ 2009-02-25 17:06:03 erikhatcher bess: credit goes to the Pragmatic Programmer book for that one 2009-02-25 17:06:04 LibraryThingT Oooh. I get Karma 1? 2009-02-25 17:06:06 LibraryThingT @karma 2009-02-25 17:06:06 fak3r bad device removal 2009-02-25 17:06:07 zoia LibraryThingTim: Highest karma: "edsu" (1073), "mjgiarlo" (1054), and "dbs" (864). Lowest karma: "iii" (-173), "sirsidynix" (-73), and "-" (-56). 2009-02-25 17:06:07 ecorrado ecorrado wants the global warming kit so he can make it warm here 2009-02-25 17:06:07 rsinger HOW MANY SUMMONS CAN I PUT YOU DOWN FOR? 2009-02-25 17:06:09 MikeTaylor That was memorable. 2009-02-25 17:06:16 JodiS_ username for their demo site? 2009-02-25 17:06:17 mbklein @karma LibraryThingTim 2009-02-25 17:06:17 LibraryThingT @karma LibraryThingTim 2009-02-25 17:06:17 zoia mbklein: Karma for "LibraryThingTim" has been increased 7 times and decreased 2 times for a total karma of 5. 2009-02-25 17:06:19 zoia LibraryThingTim: Karma for "LibraryThingTim" has been increased 7 times and decreased 2 times for a total karma of 5. 2009-02-25 17:06:19 timmcgeary fak3r: that's what she said 2009-02-25 17:06:20 akorphan BUT WAIT THERE'S MORE 2009-02-25 17:06:24 codemonkey fak3r++ 2009-02-25 17:06:24 anarchivist rsinger: OVER NINE THOUSAND ONLY IF YOU GIVE ME MORE JANGLE 2009-02-25 17:06:29 fak3r mjg_: this guy looks like the singer from dandy warhols (hair at least) 2009-02-25 17:06:30 chickmarkley ls 2009-02-25 17:06:31 anarchivist ROSS DOESNT LIVE HERE ANYMORE 2009-02-25 17:06:33 mjg_ what project? 2009-02-25 17:06:36 edsu Ϟ talk about google books would be fun 2009-02-25 17:06:38 chickmarkley ls 2009-02-25 17:06:43 ejk Adjusting the Image 2009-02-25 17:06:45 bess has anarchivist been replaced with a chat bot? 2009-02-25 17:06:46 fak3r don't you have to mention solr in each talk? 2009-02-25 17:06:47 JodiS_ googlebooks++ 2009-02-25 17:06:48 mjg_ fak3r++ 2009-02-25 17:06:51 atz kobainesque doo 2009-02-25 17:06:52 akorphan mjg_: sllffff or something like that. 2009-02-25 17:06:54 erikhatcher baconsalt 2009-02-25 17:06:54 edsu and how fucking awesome it is to have searches pulling up actual pages in books 2009-02-25 17:06:57 gsf dig++ 2009-02-25 17:06:58 iand thank you for that presentation, it completely takes the heat off of rjw for showing Talis Aspire sneakily in his Juice presentation 2009-02-25 17:06:59 naomi it's SALT 2009-02-25 17:07:01 mib_al7bayth salt project? 2009-02-25 17:07:03 BigD bess: we can only hope 2009-02-25 17:07:04 dlovins @cyborg salt 2009-02-25 17:07:04 timmcgeary resolution_problems-- 2009-02-25 17:07:06 naomi self archiving luminary toolkit 2009-02-25 17:07:06 zoia dlovins: S.A.L.T.: Synthetic Android Limited to Troubleshooting 2009-02-25 17:07:07 LibraryThingT feeling_of_two_minds_about_google_books++ 2009-02-25 17:07:09 fak3r 640x kick it old school! 2009-02-25 17:07:09 MrDys project: sodium 2009-02-25 17:07:13 mib_al7bayth yum... salty 2009-02-25 17:07:15 akorphan Did they just LOWER the resolution? 2009-02-25 17:07:16 gsf bess: he doesn't smell like a chat bot 2009-02-25 17:07:18 fak3r no rush, I'm having fun 2009-02-25 17:07:18 mjg_ beer hour in 8m 2009-02-25 17:07:18 kat3 it's OK! 2009-02-25 17:07:25 erikhatcher press the green button 2009-02-25 17:07:25 fak3r self archiving 2009-02-25 17:07:26 lbjay @urbandict salted 2009-02-25 17:07:27 akorphan push the button frank. 2009-02-25 17:07:28 mib_al7bayth sodium cholride? 2009-02-25 17:07:28 zoia lbjay: salted: When someone is insulted, embarassed, or made to look like a fool of some sort. Originally "assaulted", but later reduced to a more convenient syllable count. (David Oh: Matt, youre such a fuckin douchebag! (Matt cries) Passing man: YOU BEEN SALTED!); when pain is inflicted by means of insult, blackmail, or general embarassment. originated from when salt is sprinkled into a wound, causing further stinging and (5 more messages) 2009-02-25 17:07:29 anarchivist stanford++ 2009-02-25 17:07:32 naomi he IS a mac user 2009-02-25 17:07:33 Kerwick Switched computers 2009-02-25 17:07:34 LibraryThingT acronyms-- 2009-02-25 17:07:35 wtd I hope the Summon demo can continue in tomorrow's lightning talks. 2009-02-25 17:07:40 ecorrado bacon is salted! 2009-02-25 17:07:43 fak3r but will it snow tomorrow? 2009-02-25 17:07:43 ejk akorphan++ 2009-02-25 17:07:44 naomi anarchivist++ 2009-02-25 17:07:47 eom seems to be a vga/dvi thing 2009-02-25 17:07:47 timmcgeary ecorrado++ 2009-02-25 17:07:50 gsf i've only used BeOS. what is this thing? 2009-02-25 17:07:54 naomi fak3r: not at stanford 2009-02-25 17:07:55 fak3r access to computer++ 2009-02-25 17:07:59 atz dry_humor++ 2009-02-25 17:08:08 erikhatcher "I'm not a Mac user" - overheard in the last two talks 2009-02-25 17:08:12 anarchivist gsf++ 2009-02-25 17:08:14 fak3r printed out emails, that's umpossible! 2009-02-25 17:08:19 jbrinley they OCR the printed emails? 2009-02-25 17:08:21 mjg_ pies++ 2009-02-25 17:08:22 anarchivist WHAT WE NEED IS A COMMON DISCOVERY INTERFACE 2009-02-25 17:08:24 jtgorman jtgorman kinda hopes that the talk of the summon stuff is exaggerated and sets weren't taken up in this conference by someone trying to sell a product 2009-02-25 17:08:25 fak3r I'm not a crack user. 2009-02-25 17:08:26 jwn fingers in pies get sticky 2009-02-25 17:08:26 wickr is it weird to anyone else to see *.googlepages.com for this? 2009-02-25 17:08:27 atz wonder if they printed the headers too 2009-02-25 17:08:27 LibraryThingT And then email themselves the PDF. 2009-02-25 17:08:28 timmcgeary not touching that 2009-02-25 17:08:30 abarrera BigD's had his fingers in a lot of different pies 2009-02-25 17:08:31 MrDys fak3r++ 2009-02-25 17:08:32 BigD TPS Report 2009-02-25 17:08:32 fak3r OCR FTW! 2009-02-25 17:08:36 ecorrado who let them non-Mac users in... shouldn't they be professing their sins? 2009-02-25 17:08:39 rsinger I BELIEVE 2009-02-25 17:08:43 fak3r BigD: we're using the new timesheets now... 2009-02-25 17:08:45 naomi he *is* a mac user. 2009-02-25 17:08:45 jtgorman s/sets/seats/ 2009-02-25 17:08:49 shanlera61 printed the emails and then transcribed them into notepad 2009-02-25 17:08:51 edsu this sounds awesome 2009-02-25 17:08:53 bjy ecorrado-- 2009-02-25 17:08:58 LibraryThingT snark-- 2009-02-25 17:08:58 naomi the project is cool. 2009-02-25 17:09:02 naomi talk to him later. 2009-02-25 17:09:02 mib_al7bayth juicy vindictivness 2009-02-25 17:09:02 jwn vinidictiv manusccripts -- 2009-02-25 17:09:03 fak3r open calais, check the license though! 2009-02-25 17:09:04 gsf naomi: can't tell a book by its cover 2009-02-25 17:09:06 anarchivist naomi: i may have to 2009-02-25 17:09:07 BigD abarrera needs some new shtick if anyone has some extra... 2009-02-25 17:09:09 anarchivist this is really awesome 2009-02-25 17:09:12 fak3r what could go wrong? 2009-02-25 17:09:17 kgs LibraryThingTim or as someone called it, the C4L quilting bee 2009-02-25 17:09:19 timmcgeary leaking_prof_papers++ 2009-02-25 17:09:24 mbklein Next year's podium computer: A Core Duo Macbook Pro running OS X with XP and Ubuntu VMs available on alternate desktops. 2009-02-25 17:09:24 fak3r discovery (card) system? yeah, we don't take that 2009-02-25 17:09:26 jbrinley jbrinley has thought at two times in his life that mayberhe should use a Mac. 1st time: c4l08. 2nd time: c4l09. 2009-02-25 17:09:30 anarchivist fuck yeah, seaking 2009-02-25 17:09:31 fak3r mbklein++ 2009-02-25 17:09:32 lbjay /msg anarchivist say #code4lib I AM A MORNO 2009-02-25 17:09:36 kgs called these days the stitch-n-bitch 2009-02-25 17:09:39 LibraryThingT Don't know what a quilting bee is. 2009-02-25 17:09:42 jbrinley jbrinley will get over it 2009-02-25 17:09:44 smkiewel trying_to_hear_over_stomach_grumbles-- 2009-02-25 17:09:44 bjy mbklein++ 2009-02-25 17:09:46 BigD is that the google algo? 2009-02-25 17:09:47 mib_al7bayth i too am staggarded by the vindictivness 2009-02-25 17:09:51 MikeTaylor mbklein: I bet the Ubuntu VM won't be able to drive the VGA port. 2009-02-25 17:09:51 kgs LibraryThingTim no! that cannot be 2009-02-25 17:09:53 fak3r wait, pdftotext can pull the text from there 2009-02-25 17:09:53 anarchivist salting_the_hash++ 2009-02-25 17:09:57 ecorrado mbklein: there was cmware on the lappy up there 2009-02-25 17:10:00 atz presentation_VMs++ 2009-02-25 17:10:03 mbklein fak3r: I run XP on a second desktop in my office. Ctrl+RightArrow and I'm in Windows. Ctrl+LeftArrow and I'm back to OS X 2009-02-25 17:10:03 LibraryThingT fiber_arts-- 2009-02-25 17:10:07 anarchivist is that flamingo? 2009-02-25 17:10:09 fak3r $^/^sso$./ed 2009-02-25 17:10:09 gsf jbrinley: don't do it 2009-02-25 17:10:12 erikhatcher jbrinley: get a Mac 2009-02-25 17:10:12 dbs I'm with mbklein 2009-02-25 17:10:13 LibraryThingT pasta_arts__ 2009-02-25 17:10:14 anarchivist or flamenco? whatever its called? 2009-02-25 17:10:16 akorphan What's the difference between something written in the 0000s and the ones in the 000s? 2009-02-25 17:10:16 gsf jbrinley: totally overrated 2009-02-25 17:10:16 timmcgeary use VuFind for this? 2009-02-25 17:10:16 naomi anarchivist: yes, flamingo 2009-02-25 17:10:17 LibraryThingT ++ rather 2009-02-25 17:10:20 robcaSSon anarchivist: good question 2009-02-25 17:10:21 steambadger @karma 2009-02-25 17:10:22 zoia steambadger: Highest karma: "edsu" (1073), "mjgiarlo" (1054), and "dbs" (864). Lowest karma: "iii" (-173), "sirsidynix" (-73), and "-" (-56). You (steambadger) are ranked 575 out of 8816. 2009-02-25 17:10:24 erikhatcher jbrinley: tell Lucid to buy you one :) 2009-02-25 17:10:24 anarchivist naomi: thanks 2009-02-25 17:10:28 fak3r $^/^sso$./ed <- denial of service attempt 2009-02-25 17:10:28 robcaSSon naomi++ # good answer 2009-02-25 17:10:33 jbrinley erikhatcher++ # will do 2009-02-25 17:10:33 naomi anarchivist: i mean flamenco 2009-02-25 17:10:35 mjg_ I use ubuntu and have no need of anything else. 2009-02-25 17:10:40 akorphan "Let me introduce you to Dixon Ticonderoga..." 2009-02-25 17:10:41 anarchivist anarchivist knows his california-based faceted browsing interfaces :) 2009-02-25 17:10:45 edsu damn 2009-02-25 17:10:46 gsf @wordstats add freebase 2009-02-25 17:10:46 mib_al7bayth cool... use of freebase 2009-02-25 17:10:47 zoia gsf: The operation succeeded. 2009-02-25 17:10:48 jbrinley erikhatcher: think marc will notice if I just bill it? 2009-02-25 17:10:48 dbs err, hell no, I'm not with mbklein and his OS X crap; Ubuntu host, Win XP guest 2009-02-25 17:10:48 kgs is this the last one? 2009-02-25 17:10:51 fak3r mjg_: tru here too, desktop linux ftw 2009-02-25 17:10:51 lbjay gets cooler every minute 2009-02-25 17:10:51 atz case-sensitive facets is lame 2009-02-25 17:10:54 mjg_ freebase++ 2009-02-25 17:11:00 naomi convoluted path to getting programmers on project. 2009-02-25 17:11:06 mbklein @wordstats solr 2009-02-25 17:11:06 naomi they'll be switching to solr soon. 2009-02-25 17:11:07 zoia mbklein: Error: "solr" doesn't look like a word I'm keeping stats on or a user in my database. 2009-02-25 17:11:08 anarchivist naomi: understandable 2009-02-25 17:11:09 ejk freebase++ 2009-02-25 17:11:10 fak3r $^/^sso$./ed ? agree, or disagree, discuss! 2009-02-25 17:11:13 mbklein @wordstats add solr 2009-02-25 17:11:14 zoia mbklein: The operation succeeded. 2009-02-25 17:11:17 anarchivist naomi: still very very cool 2009-02-25 17:11:22 edsu holy crap 2009-02-25 17:11:24 fak3r Erro: cannot 2009-02-25 17:11:27 JodiS_ @later tell jrochkind Could you please add http://wdsnow.blogspot.com/ to the planet? SALT project blog 2009-02-25 17:11:27 zoia JodiS_: The operation succeeded. 2009-02-25 17:11:29 erikhatcher jbrinley: lol, he'd notice 2009-02-25 17:11:31 gsf huh? 2009-02-25 17:11:31 mbklein @wordstats craptastic 2009-02-25 17:11:32 zoia zoia mbklein: Top 3 "craptastic"ers (out of a total of 19 "craptastic"s seen): mbklein: 9, lbjay: 4, and jrochkind: 2. 2009-02-25 17:11:35 fak3r self-depreciation always wins 2009-02-25 17:11:43 anarchivist naomi: what's his email 2009-02-25 17:11:44 BigD he needs a hug 2009-02-25 17:11:46 naomi cfitz++ 2009-02-25 17:11:47 robcaSSon that_guy++ # he was the one with the Dead Moon shirt 2009-02-25 17:11:49 atz "Hey there lonely girls... looooonley girls...." 2009-02-25 17:11:51 fak3r @sing dandy warhols 2009-02-25 17:11:51 edsu that dude rules 2009-02-25 17:11:53 JodiS_ atz++ 2009-02-25 17:11:53 gsf BigD: squeeze the lonely out of him 2009-02-25 17:11:54 anarchivist dead_moon++ 2009-02-25 17:11:54 mib_al7bayth prizes? 2009-02-25 17:11:56 zoia fak3r: No lyrics for One by dandy warhols. Searched lyricwiki & lyricsty 2009-02-25 17:11:57 akorphan If there's anything that code4lib has taught me, it's that I could create the ultimate library geek tool by somehow combining freebase, lucerne, solr, and frbr 2009-02-25 17:11:58 mjg_ that_dude++ 2009-02-25 17:11:59 anarchivist gsf++ 2009-02-25 17:12:03 naomi cfitz@stanford.edu 2009-02-25 17:12:05 fak3r $^/^sso$./ed 2009-02-25 17:12:08 MikeTaylor Never mind the book giveaway, I want to know more about Summon! 2009-02-25 17:12:10 robcaSSon @sing Dead Moon : 54 40 or Fight 2009-02-25 17:12:11 anarchivist gsf: BigD tried to do that last night 2009-02-25 17:12:15 atz heartbreaker_hairdo++ 2009-02-25 17:12:15 zoia robcaSSon: No lyrics for 54 40 or Fight by Dead Moon. Searched lyricwiki & lyricsty 2009-02-25 17:12:15 jbrinley random.random()++ 2009-02-25 17:12:15 fak3r fanny_packs-- 2009-02-25 17:12:18 mjg_ edsu++ 2009-02-25 17:12:20 mjg_ lbjay++ 2009-02-25 17:12:22 fak3r atz++ 2009-02-25 17:12:23 bess edsu++ 2009-02-25 17:12:25 mbklein akorphan: Lucerne == Large Dairy Conglomerate. Lucene == Search Engine :) 2009-02-25 17:12:25 LibraryThingT regex_in_IRC++ 2009-02-25 17:12:26 akorphan BUT THAT'S NOT ALL 2009-02-25 17:12:28 anarchivist anarchivist @herald get lbjay 2009-02-25 17:12:29 zoia anarchivist: now entering the ring: jay filthy luker 2009-02-25 17:12:38 fak3r python magazine, oh boy! 2009-02-25 17:12:41 akorphan mbklein: yeah yeah 2009-02-25 17:12:44 ejk I'm gonna run upstairs to vid chat with the kids. D&B group meeting at 7, right? 2009-02-25 17:12:45 mbklein @sing flight of the conchords : ladies of the world 2009-02-25 17:12:46 naomi PHP?????? 2009-02-25 17:12:47 zoia J: Parisian / B: (Ladies) / J: Bolivian / B: (Ladies) 2009-02-25 17:12:48 gsf akorphan: Lucille == awesome guitar 2009-02-25 17:12:49 bess isn't php architect an oxymoron? 2009-02-25 17:12:52 naomi pass the bucket. 2009-02-25 17:12:52 robcaSSon robcaSSon edsu++ lbjay++ 2009-02-25 17:12:54 rsinger First up, YOU GET A SUMMON MANUAL, YOU GET A SUMMON MANUAL, YOU GET A SUMMON MANUAL 2009-02-25 17:12:56 akorphan I still can't tell the difference between Jangle and Django by ear. 2009-02-25 17:12:56 liza31337 But wait is there more? 2009-02-25 17:12:58 mib_al7bayth void where prohibited by law 2009-02-25 17:12:59 mjg_ bess++ # ouch! 2009-02-25 17:12:59 fak3r but it's a 70$ value, but wait, there's more! 2009-02-25 17:13:00 LibraryThingT snark_against_php-- ! 2009-02-25 17:13:06 BigD your credit card will not be charged at this time 2009-02-25 17:13:07 fak3r sorry tennessee 2009-02-25 17:13:07 jfereira but for you, $89 2009-02-25 17:13:08 mbklein @sing flight of the conchords : ladies of the world : * 2009-02-25 17:13:10 zoia Two, three! / J: Ooohhh.ooooh. / B: Just wanna do something special for all the Ladies in the World / J: Oh yes / B: Just wanna do somethin' special / J: Ah / B: For all the Ladies in the world / J: Is that possible? / B: And the gir-rls / Don't forget them girls / J: Caribbean / B: (Ladies) / J: Parisian / B: (Ladies) / J: Bolivian / B: (Ladies) / J: Namibian / B: (Ladies) / J: Eastern Indochinian / B: (Ladies) / J: (4 more messages) 2009-02-25 17:13:10 anarchivist ROSS DOESNT LIVE HERE ANYMORE 2009-02-25 17:13:12 edsu rsinger: stop it i'm cracking up 2009-02-25 17:13:19 naomi 2nd prize: 2 subscriptions. 2009-02-25 17:13:20 mbklein @more 2009-02-25 17:13:20 zoia mbklein: Republic of Dominican / B: (Ladies) / J: Amphibian / B: (Ladies) / J: Presbyterian / B: (Ladies) / J: Outta sight / B: Amazin' ladies / J: Late night / B: Hard workin' ladies / J: Erudite / B: Brainy ladies / J: Hermaphrodite / B: Lady-man-ladies / J: Oh you sexy hermaphrodite lady-man-ladies / With your sexy lady bits / And your sexy man bits too / Even you must be in to you-ooo-ooo / B+J: All the ladies in the world / (3 more messages) 2009-02-25 17:13:22 MrDys coughing covers laughing 2009-02-25 17:13:28 MikeTaylor Can we trust Python's random number generator? 2009-02-25 17:13:30 mib_al7bayth MOAR prizes!!!!11 2009-02-25 17:13:31 JodiS_ ejk: that's the word--7PM D&B 2009-02-25 17:13:32 fak3r where's the source code? 2009-02-25 17:13:32 BigD anarchivist: fix yer bot 2009-02-25 17:13:35 akorphan MrDys: Only barely! 2009-02-25 17:13:35 mjg_ anarchivist-- 2009-02-25 17:13:39 mjg_ anarchivist: stop that. 2009-02-25 17:13:39 anarchivist I NEED A NEW ENTROPY SOURCE 2009-02-25 17:13:40 fak3r 118 = 10 2009-02-25 17:13:41 timmcgeary flight_of_the_concords++ 2009-02-25 17:13:42 anarchivist ROSS 2009-02-25 17:13:46 rjw That cough is no joke 2009-02-25 17:13:48 edsu 24601! 2009-02-25 17:13:50 fak3r that's not my name 2009-02-25 17:13:52 mjg_ THE FIX 2009-02-25 17:13:54 LibraryThingT So? 2009-02-25 17:13:55 fak3r fixed! 2009-02-25 17:13:57 mib_al7bayth random number my ass 2009-02-25 17:13:58 robcaSSon anarchivist++ # lolz 2009-02-25 17:14:02 fak3r boooo! 2009-02-25 17:14:03 mpark randomizer-- 2009-02-25 17:14:05 ejk reseed 2009-02-25 17:14:05 abarrera brown_randomness-- 2009-02-25 17:14:06 timmcgeary randomizer-- 2009-02-25 17:14:07 Kerwick random_number-- 2009-02-25 17:14:08 fak3r throw shoes! 2009-02-25 17:14:09 naomi birkin-- 2009-02-25 17:14:10 MikeTaylor Frikkin' Python! 2009-02-25 17:14:16 fak3r python fails 2009-02-25 17:14:17 anarchivist lauren uses python, of course it was rigged 2009-02-25 17:14:23 fak3r up arrow return 2009-02-25 17:14:28 mbklein anarchivist: When you type in ALL CAPS, you're royt, right? 2009-02-25 17:14:32 fak3r .... 2009-02-25 17:14:41 fak3r dan davis fedora-commons man! 2009-02-25 17:14:42 mib_al7bayth woo hoo 2009-02-25 17:14:46 rjw a random person 2009-02-25 17:14:50 BigD cheatin' texans 2009-02-25 17:14:51 mjg_ all low numbers so far. 2009-02-25 17:14:56 naomi i'm sure dan is thrilled with that prize. 2009-02-25 17:14:58 edsu i don't get why brown people are cut out 2009-02-25 17:14:59 fak3r texas lost though! 2009-02-25 17:15:04 BigD seth rogan 2009-02-25 17:15:08 fak3r casey? scribio. 2009-02-25 17:15:09 anarchivist BigD++ 2009-02-25 17:15:10 mib_al7bayth low numbers are early registered peeps? 2009-02-25 17:15:10 mbklein mjg_: Are you suggesting that royt deals from the bottom of the deck? 2009-02-25 17:15:11 fak3r BigD++ 2009-02-25 17:15:12 LibraryThingT casey++ 2009-02-25 17:15:15 rjw another very random person 2009-02-25 17:15:16 timmcgeary seth_rogan++ 2009-02-25 17:15:20 anarchivist I NEED A NEW ENTROPY SOURCE 2009-02-25 17:15:23 fak3r so you have to have a project to win? 2009-02-25 17:15:25 edsu first timer - cold stone creamery 2009-02-25 17:15:26 mbklein Seth Rogaine 2009-02-25 17:15:30 jbrinley I thought it was alphabetical 2009-02-25 17:15:32 mjg_ anarchivist: I WANT A NEW DRUG 2009-02-25 17:15:34 fak3r that's not how you pronounce my name 2009-02-25 17:15:39 jbrinley 20 was bisson, 28 was burton-west 2009-02-25 17:15:39 robcaSSon anarchivist: were you at our breakout session? 2009-02-25 17:15:43 akorphan "I thought I WAS going faster!" 2009-02-25 17:15:44 fak3r mbklein++ 2009-02-25 17:15:47 ejk @ana entropy source 2009-02-25 17:15:47 zoia ejk: Prone courtesy 2009-02-25 17:15:53 bess JodiS++ 2009-02-25 17:15:55 fak3r hmmm...I know her 2009-02-25 17:15:57 mbklein JodiS++ 2009-02-25 17:15:58 timmcgeary JodiS++ 2009-02-25 17:16:00 anarchivist radioactive bits 2009-02-25 17:16:02 mib_al7bayth must be alphabetical 2009-02-25 17:16:02 fak3r twitter this! 2009-02-25 17:16:14 MrDys lot of first time love 2009-02-25 17:16:14 mib_al7bayth bisson before burton 2009-02-25 17:16:15 fak3r clap... 2009-02-25 17:16:16 atz @karma twitter 2009-02-25 17:16:17 zoia atz: Karma for "twitter" has been increased 1 time and decreased 6 times for a total karma of -5. 2009-02-25 17:16:21 naomi carrying_more_stuff_on_planes-- 2009-02-25 17:16:30 akorphan not me. 2009-02-25 17:16:32 mbklein mbklein never wins anything 2009-02-25 17:16:32 fak3r a winner is..not me 2009-02-25 17:16:34 BigD naomi's a sore loser 2009-02-25 17:16:37 fak3r wrong 2009-02-25 17:16:38 naomi LOL 2009-02-25 17:16:42 gsf MrDys: we ♡ firsttimers 2009-02-25 17:16:48 fak3r apparently 2009-02-25 17:16:50 akorphan akorphan has to check bags on the way back anyway. 2009-02-25 17:16:55 fak3r sweater_vest++ 2009-02-25 17:16:56 mib_al7bayth if i win gonna replace the gideon bible in my hotel room with PHP for dummies... 2009-02-25 17:16:58 fak3r lucy? 2009-02-25 17:17:01 abarrera ted_mf_lawless++ 2009-02-25 17:17:04 mbklein Xena's brother? 2009-02-25 17:17:05 BigD gsf: why do we box first timers? 2009-02-25 17:17:05 mjg_ Ted "MOTHERFUCKING" Lawless++ 2009-02-25 17:17:07 JodiS_ twitter+- 2009-02-25 17:17:11 fak3r mjg_++ 2009-02-25 17:17:14 gsf that guy knows no bounds 2009-02-25 17:17:15 JodiS_ edsu++ 2009-02-25 17:17:16 mjg_ ted++ 2009-02-25 17:17:16 JodiS_ edsu++ 2009-02-25 17:17:17 fak3r meet the mets, come on and... 2009-02-25 17:17:29 timmcgeary fak3r-- 2009-02-25 17:17:30 naomi get mets, it pays. 2009-02-25 17:17:35 dchud fak3r++ 2009-02-25 17:17:37 JodiS_ naomi++ 2009-02-25 17:17:37 fak3r courney or michael, which one? 2009-02-25 17:17:55 anarchivist anarchivist is getting wrapped in BigD's METS package 2009-02-25 17:18:06 mib_al7bayth clap clap clap 2009-02-25 17:18:07 fak3r only clap if someone stands up 2009-02-25 17:18:10 mbklein Women are winning things in disproportionate numbers. Gender diversity problem my ass. 2009-02-25 17:18:17 BigD anarchivist: nope, i have Standards. get it? ha! 2009-02-25 17:18:18 mbklein (kidding! really! don't hurt me! ow!) 2009-02-25 17:18:19 fak3r mbklein++ 2009-02-25 17:18:25 abarrera BigD-- 2009-02-25 17:18:27 fak3r he's from ohio though 2009-02-25 17:18:27 anarchivist BigD++ 2009-02-25 17:18:28 akorphan NEW ENTROPY GENERATOR PLZ KTHXBAI 2009-02-25 17:18:30 naomi mbklein: like george sands? 2009-02-25 17:18:30 gsf BigD: for shipping to access 2009-02-25 17:18:38 anarchivist ROSS DOESNT LIVE HERE ANYMORE 2009-02-25 17:18:43 BigD reseed! 2009-02-25 17:18:47 timmcgeary clap and beer 2009-02-25 17:18:47 mjg_ BigD: how do you model a buffet in structMap? 2009-02-25 17:18:48 MikeTaylor Why does anarchivist keep saying that? 2009-02-25 17:18:48 fak3r better luck next time! 2009-02-25 17:18:49 rsinger YAY 2009-02-25 17:18:52 bess see ya 2009-02-25 17:18:52 lbjay @ana let there be beer 2009-02-25 17:18:52 LibraryThingT Yeah, why? 2009-02-25 17:18:53 fak3r b33r m3 2009-02-25 17:18:54 zoia lbjay: Blether tee beer 2009-02-25 17:18:55 timmcgeary mmmm, beer 2009-02-25 17:18:55 mbklein timmcgeary: Your plan for the night? 2009-02-25 17:18:58 mbklein hahahahaa 2009-02-25 17:18:59 erikhatcher beer:30 2009-02-25 17:19:08 robcaSSon ROSS DOESN'T LIVE HERE ANYMORE 2009-02-25 17:19:16 edsu @quote add let there be beer 2009-02-25 17:19:17 zoia edsu: The operation succeeded. Quote #1752 added. 2009-02-25 17:19:29 lbjay 6. Beer 2009-02-25 17:19:36 fak3r $^/^sso$./ed 2009-02-25 17:20:01 fak3r new sig file: $^/^sso$./ed 2009-02-25 17:38:03 jbrinley @quote random 2009-02-25 17:38:03 zoia jbrinley: Quote #1478: " edsu: some of my best friends are java and perl developers." (added by rsinger at 11:45 AM, August 12, 2008) 2009-02-25 17:42:12 zoia :D 2009-02-25 18:05:44 fak3r current google/mibbit ads: "#1 Way to Remove Wrinkles" and "Lesbian Chat" 2009-02-25 18:10:36 fak3r @sing refused 2009-02-25 18:10:38 zoia Sabotage will set us free / Throw a rock in the machine / Sabotage will set us free / Throw a rock in the machine 2009-02-25 19:05:15 JodiS ejlynema++ #notes from lunch 2009-02-25 20:24:06 LibraryThingT . 2009-02-25 21:12:45 jtgorman jtgorman starts humming "Only the Lonely" 2009-02-25 21:17:16 jtgorman jtgorman tinkers a little on putting in the javascript necessary to change a WebVoyage 6.5 page to use his system...and allow selecting multiple records 2009-02-25 21:51:51 wtd ksclarke: You made it! 2009-02-25 21:52:41 ksclarke yeah1 2009-02-25 21:52:50 ksclarke and called home already :-) 2009-02-25 21:53:25 zoia :D 2009-02-25 21:56:35 akorphan evening folks 2009-02-25 22:04:20 wtd Sure has quieted down a lot from th afternoon frenzy. 2009-02-25 22:14:46 wtd I tried to set up an accunt at Freebase and it threw me a nice 400 Bad Request expressed in JSON. 2009-02-25 22:14:58 wtd Um, s/accunt/account/ 2009-02-25 22:17:50 wtd Ah, cookie problem. 2009-02-25 22:23:00 dchud as zoia is about to indicate, it is now safe to depart for the whatever (handel) room 2009-02-25 22:29:08 akorphan How's things at the hotel? 2009-02-25 22:30:30 ksclarke is the handel room downstairs or up? 2009-02-25 22:31:22 zoia :D 2009-02-25 22:32:07 wtd Down below the lobby 2009-02-25 22:33:17 ksclarke thanks wtd 2009-02-25 22:37:23 BillDueber ksclarke: mezzanine level 2009-02-25 22:42:25 ksclarke shoot went all the way downstairs to drop off chocolate in the handel room and forgot to find the business center to print my boarding passes for tomorrow 2009-02-25 22:42:51 anarchivist @quote random 2009-02-25 22:42:52 zoia anarchivist: Quote #1302: " no opposable thumbs for you!" (added by jbrinley at 08:21 AM, April 02, 2008) 2009-02-25 22:43:20 jbrinley ksclarke: just pick them up at a kiosk at the airport 2009-02-25 22:44:34 ksclarke I learned on my way up here that for southwest that the earlier you checkin the earlier you board (and pick a seat) 2009-02-25 22:45:17 ksclarke maybe I can checkin now but print out once I get to the airport 2009-02-25 22:45:26 wickr ksclarke: yeah I think you can 2009-02-25 22:45:53 anarchivist @quote random 2009-02-25 22:45:54 zoia anarchivist: Quote #531: " what else is a soul but so many scattered pieces of paper?" (added by ksclarke at 03:50 PM, November 17, 2006) 2009-02-25 22:46:06 ejk Looking at train tix to Darien tomorrow afternoon. Anyone driving by any chance? 2009-02-25 22:46:06 jbrinley ksclarke: that's what I did 2009-02-25 22:47:13 ksclarke great, jbrinley++ 2009-02-25 22:47:18 ksclarke ksclarke goes to do 2009-02-25 22:47:34 anarchivist ejk: not going til early fri 2009-02-25 22:47:51 ksclarke and wickr++ 2009-02-25 22:48:24 ejk anarchivist: that's cool. The train is like $63 for coach and $99 for biz class 2009-02-25 22:48:53 ejk but it's a very nice way to travel 2009-02-25 22:48:59 anarchivist ejk: awesome, thanks! 2009-02-25 23:00:54 akorphan akorphan got position A01 on southwest. Yes, I have a bit of a compulsion. 2009-02-25 23:05:50 ksclarke akorphan++ #wow 2009-02-25 23:06:14 ejk Alright, I'm on the 2:20 train, can pick up my ticket at the station 2009-02-25 23:06:34 ksclarke off to bed to read then sleep 2009-02-25 23:07:11 BillDueber so, the business center isn't hte business center anymore 2009-02-25 23:07:15 BillDueber It's someone's office 2009-02-25 23:07:22 BillDueber You print your boarding pass in the lobby. 2009-02-25 23:07:34 BillDueber But...my room key got me into what was once the b-center. 2009-02-25 23:07:35 BillDueber Oops. 2009-02-25 23:07:44 jbrinley jbrinley is confused 2009-02-25 23:08:04 BillDueber jbrinley: Tell me about it. 2009-02-25 23:08:11 ejk BillDueber: can you print from a PDF? 2009-02-25 23:08:32 ejk assuming you made it to the lobby 2009-02-25 23:08:36 BillDueber ejk: I didn't look for a usb port, but I'm pretty sure it was all out there in the open, so I don't see why not. 2009-02-25 23:09:02 wtd I prinrted a PDF down there. 2009-02-25 23:09:15 BillDueber Access wasn't restricted -- not like some kiosks that only go to airport websites. Just an empty IE window. 2009-02-25 23:09:24 ejk cool 2009-02-25 23:09:29 ejk BillDueber++ 2009-02-25 23:09:32 ejk wtd++ 2009-02-25 23:09:56 BillDueber For the record, the computers in the no-0longer-a-business-center are protected, but there's a cool giant red paperweight that I was tempted to walk off with... 2009-02-25 23:10:00 wtd Look under Office or Other Applications to find the file manager icon. 2009-02-25 23:11:19 dchud hey the handel room is where the action is again tonight 2009-02-25 23:12:23 wtd wtd heads don. 2009-02-25 23:18:45 lbjay party is in the whatever room 2009-02-25 23:18:53 BillDueber @marc 700 2009-02-25 23:18:53 zoia BillDueber: An added entry in which the entry element is a personal name. [a,b,c,d,e,f,g,h,j,k,l,m,n,o,p,q,r,s,t,u,x,3,4,5,6,8] 2009-02-25 23:24:13 anarchivist_ @quote random 2009-02-25 23:24:14 zoia anarchivist_: Quote #1372: " METS - inspiring crazy xpaths since ?" (added by edsu at 02:53 PM, May 12, 2008) 2009-02-25 23:24:19 ejk I now have a train ticket confirmation and I bumped back my checkout time til 1 tomorrow 2009-02-25 23:26:44 lbjay youtube++ # cool uris 2009-02-25 23:32:01 anarchivist_ lbjay: http://flickr.com/photos/bigdpix/2299726147/ 2009-02-25 23:35:44 jbrinley goodnight, all 2009-02-25 23:38:10 zoia ΓΘλΞ 2009-02-25 23:38:35 zoia O HAI 2009-02-25 23:38:58 anarchivist_ @herald get anarchivist 2009-02-25 23:38:58 mbklein im in ur #code4lib 2009-02-25 23:38:58 zoia anarchivist_: ℬÅ℞ℬℚ 2009-02-25 23:39:05 scolford omg my herald worked!!! 2009-02-25 23:39:15 mbklein bot++ 2009-02-25 23:39:33 scolford bot rocks my ass. awesome. 2009-02-25 23:39:43 gsf @herald get scolford 2009-02-25 23:39:44 zoia gsf: O HAI 2009-02-25 23:40:18 gsf scolford++ 2009-02-25 23:40:35 anarchivist_ closedvocab4eva 2009-02-25 23:40:57 scolford gsf: btw, all that having-to-get-back-so-i-could-work stuff? total crap. i had an epic vpn fail. 2009-02-25 23:41:09 gsf scolford: of course 2009-02-25 23:41:11 anarchivist_ ROSS DOESN'T LIVE HERE ANYMORE 2009-02-25 23:41:28 akorphan BUT WAIT THERE'S MORE 2009-02-25 23:42:13 mbklein TAKE THAT $19.99 VALUE, ADD A 3-PACK OF OFFICIAL ROY TENNANT THONGS. NOW HOW MUCH WOULD YOU PAY? 2009-02-25 23:42:23 scolford 19.99 2009-02-25 23:42:27 anarchivist_ YOU WITH ME CAMERA GUY? 2009-02-25 23:42:35 mbklein $2.58 2009-02-25 23:42:46 mbklein hi dan 2009-02-25 23:42:54 anarchivist_ O HAI IM IN UR VOCAB FOAFING UR CHUD 2009-02-25 23:42:58 gsf mbklein: dan is clinking 2009-02-25 23:43:09 mbklein mbklein used up all his capital letters just now 2009-02-25 23:43:12 dchud_ hallo 2009-02-25 23:43:35 mbklein clinking? dan, did you eat scrap metal or something? 2009-02-25 23:44:02 gsf mbklein: toasts in the whatever room 2009-02-25 23:44:07 gsf mbklein: you should come on down 2009-02-25 23:44:17 anarchivist_ no sex in the whatever room 2009-02-25 23:44:31 scolford well that's out, then. 2009-02-25 23:44:32 gsf whatever except sex 2009-02-25 23:44:32 mbklein gsf: can I still get in? 2009-02-25 23:44:41 gsf mbklein: yep 2009-02-25 23:44:45 akorphan Then it's not really "whatever", is it? 2009-02-25 23:44:54 dchud nom nom nom 2009-02-25 23:44:56 anarchivist_ mbklein: yup 2009-02-25 23:44:57 mbklein i thought it was over at 11. ok, I might pop down for a hi. 2009-02-25 23:45:01 anarchivist_ mbklein: it's open 2009-02-25 23:45:06 mbklein nice. 2009-02-25 23:45:10 gsf mbklein: we've got the door open 2009-02-25 23:45:12 mbklein is it byob at this hour? :) 2009-02-25 23:45:30 gsf mbklein: yes, but i believe the bar is still serving 2009-02-25 23:45:31 anarchivist_ mbklein: yeah, but last call at the bar is 12:30 2009-02-25 23:45:37 mbklein kthxbye 2009-02-25 23:45:44 gsf anarchivist_: fuck you i win 2009-02-25 23:45:48 anarchivist_ gsf++ 2009-02-25 23:45:58 mbklein gsf++ 2009-02-25 23:46:13 gsf @inaworld where the video is loaded 2009-02-25 23:46:13 zoia In a world... where where the video is loaded 2009-02-25 23:46:23 gsf fucking fail 2009-02-25 23:46:37 anarchivist_ @ana chump of a drunk 2009-02-25 23:46:39 zoia anarchivist_: Fork up and much 2009-02-25 23:48:06 akorphan @ana you with me camera guy 2009-02-25 23:48:08 zoia akorphan: Ouch! Yummier gateway 2009-02-25 2009-02-25 2009-02-25 23:59:28 -!-| Irssi: #code4lib: Total of 49 nicks 0 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 49 normal 2009-02-25 23:59:28 zoia now entering the ring: jay filthy luker 2009-02-25 23:59:29 -!-| Irssi: Channel: Join to #code4lib was synced in 2 secs 2009-02-26 00:00:02 anarchivist ROSS DOESN'T LIVE HERE ANYMORE 2009-02-26 00:01:27 scolford gsf: oy. glad i'm not a girl at this conference. or on second thought... 2009-02-26 00:06:18 gsf scolford: come on down if ur interested 2009-02-26 00:06:32 lbjay @quote add mine only ever discovers casey bisson's 2009-02-26 00:06:32 zoia lbjay: The operation succeeded. Quote #1753 added. 2009-02-26 00:07:43 scolford gsf: thanks. but i think it's safer for all if i don't.;-) besides, i'm tucked up in bed with my mac and a dvd of 3 Penny Opera. AW3SOM3. 2009-02-26 00:08:05 gsf lbjay: must be casey's extra musky manliness 2009-02-26 00:08:29 scolford eek 2009-02-26 00:08:34 anarchivist seth_rogan++ 2009-02-26 00:08:57 anarchivist @quote random 2009-02-26 00:08:57 zoia anarchivist: Quote #823: " I skipped Denial and went straight to Anger. If I make it to Bargaining, it will be with another vendor, or Open Source of some sort." (added by ksclarke at 05:05 PM, April 11, 2007) 2009-02-26 00:09:31 scolford sirsidynix-- 2009-02-26 00:09:52 gsf ksclarke++ 2009-02-26 00:10:23 scolford ksclarke++ 2009-02-26 00:10:26 gsf uh oh, another crowd is about to enter the whatever 2009-02-26 00:11:57 scolford omg 3 penny opera is so *dirty*. 2009-02-26 00:13:09 gsf ♴ 2009-02-26 00:13:22 gsf ♳ 2009-02-26 00:13:41 gsf ♵ 2009-02-26 00:13:52 gsf ♶ 2009-02-26 00:15:36 lbjay T O K E 2009-02-26 00:15:47 scolford gsf: are you sure about that order? for me, that was 2-1-3-4 2009-02-26 00:16:07 gsf scolford: i'm not sure of anything 2009-02-26 00:16:30 anarchivist @quote random 2009-02-26 00:16:30 zoia anarchivist: Quote #488: " someday life will be sweet like a rhapsody" (added by eby at 09:28 PM, October 26, 2006) 2009-02-26 00:16:40 scolford i'm sure nancy perl is shiny. that's about it. 2009-02-26 00:17:23 gsf scolford++ almost forgot 2009-02-26 00:17:23 anarchivist NANCY PERL DOESN'T LIVE HERE ANYMORE 2009-02-26 00:17:23 mbklein @known 2009-02-26 00:17:24 zoia zoia mbklein: I know URIs for the following 43 users: Baroquem, BigD, BillDueber, JodiS, MrDys, abarrera, akorphan, anarchivist, asnagy, atz, bess, cazzerson, cbeer, charper, dlovins, ecorrado, ejk, escowles, fak3r, flighty, flyingzumwalt, gsf, jbrinley, jmspargu, jphipps, jstroop, kgs, ksclarke, lbjay, liza31337, mbklein, mjg_, pmurray, ranti, robcaSSon, royt, rsinger, scolford, smkiewel, tomkeays, wickr, wtd, zoia 2009-02-26 00:17:25 gsf high hopes for ala2009 2009-02-26 00:17:34 scolford thems the jokes, my freind. 2009-02-26 00:17:38 mbklein @herald get anarchivist 2009-02-26 00:17:39 zoia mbklein: ℬÅ℞ℬℚ 2009-02-26 00:17:59 mbklein @foaf bess currentProject 2009-02-26 00:18:00 zoia mbklein: bess : 2009-02-26 00:18:02 scolford oh that's pretty in 20 pt font 2009-02-26 00:19:53 mbklein @known bess 2009-02-26 00:19:53 zoia mbklein: bess's URI is 2009-02-26 00:22:30 anarchivist paging BigD's nipples 2009-02-26 00:31:27 mbklein @pirate [quote random] 2009-02-26 00:31:28 zoia mbklein: Quote #711: "< dbs> jrochkind: I suspect somethin' cartesian be goin' on :)" (added by gsf at 03:39 PM, February 15, 2007) 2009-02-26 00:31:35 mbklein @sing the door 2009-02-26 00:31:36 zoia mbklein: No songs found by the door 2009-02-26 00:31:40 mbklein @sing the doors 2009-02-26 00:31:41 zoia Tell all the people that you see / Follow me / Follow me down / Tell all the people that you see 2009-02-26 00:32:24 scolford cartesian-- 2009-02-26 00:33:25 mbklein @predicates mbklein mjg_ 2009-02-26 00:33:26 zoia mbklein: Relationships asserted by mbklein about mjg_: , 2009-02-26 00:34:20 mbklein @foaf interest cazzerson 2009-02-26 00:34:20 zoia mbklein: I don't know interest's URI 2009-02-26 00:34:32 mbklein @foaf cazzerson interest 2009-02-26 00:34:32 zoia mbklein: cazzerson : , , , , 2009-02-26 00:35:01 mbklein @common interest bess mbklein mjg_ 2009-02-26 00:35:04 zoia mbklein: Common s: , , 2009-02-26 00:35:28 mbklein @known 2009-02-26 00:35:28 zoia zoia mbklein: I know URIs for the following 43 users: Baroquem, BigD, BillDueber, JodiS, MrDys, abarrera, akorphan, anarchivist, asnagy, atz, bess, cazzerson, cbeer, charper, dlovins, ecorrado, ejk, escowles, fak3r, flighty, flyingzumwalt, gsf, jbrinley, jmspargu, jphipps, jstroop, kgs, ksclarke, lbjay, liza31337, mbklein, mjg_, pmurray, ranti, robcaSSon, royt, rsinger, scolford, smkiewel, tomkeays, wickr, wtd, zoia 2009-02-26 00:40:38 chickmarkley @ana am i on 2009-02-26 00:40:38 zoia chickmarkley: Im a no 2009-02-26 00:40:48 chickmarkley That's what I thought 2009-02-26 00:41:08 chickmarkley @karma iii 2009-02-26 00:41:09 zoia chickmarkley: Karma for "iii" has been increased 9 times and decreased 182 times for a total karma of -173. 2009-02-26 00:41:32 chickmarkley iii-- # just for fun 2009-02-26 00:41:40 chickmarkley @karma iii 2009-02-26 00:41:40 zoia chickmarkley: Karma for "iii" has been increased 9 times and decreased 183 times for a total karma of -174. 2009-02-26 00:42:04 anarchivist jayblivious++ 2009-02-26 00:42:23 anarchivist lbjay: l "boy" jay 2009-02-26 00:42:38 scolford huh 2009-02-26 00:43:07 chickmarkley_ I did not 2009-02-26 00:43:12 scolford @ana Mack the Knife 2009-02-26 00:43:13 zoia scolford: Fake thick men 2009-02-26 00:43:16 anarchivist @quote add these figs look awesome 2009-02-26 00:43:16 zoia anarchivist: The operation succeeded. Quote #1754 added. 2009-02-26 00:44:03 scolford wtf are you doing down there? 2009-02-26 00:44:07 lbjay lbjay doesn't get it 2009-02-26 00:44:26 lbjay scolford: it varies 2009-02-26 00:44:38 scolford nice 2009-02-26 00:44:46 anarchivist LBJAY DOESN'T LIVE IN ARKANSAS ANYMORE 2009-02-26 00:44:47 lbjay anarchivist: muscle-t++ 2009-02-26 00:45:04 anarchivist MOAR_SLEEVLESS++ 2009-02-26 00:45:11 scolford oh damn. i am missing out, arnt i? 2009-02-26 00:45:25 anarchivist scolford: come down 2 th handle room 2009-02-26 00:45:38 lbjay scolford: CAN YOU HANDEL ROOM? 2009-02-26 00:45:51 anarchivist @quote add < rsinger> we blows 2009-02-26 00:45:52 zoia anarchivist: The operation succeeded. Quote #1755 added. 2009-02-26 00:46:14 scolford haha, barely. but i may. wait, you're only open for 15 minutes more? 2009-02-26 00:46:26 anarchivist scolford: ABOUT 9 HOURS 2009-02-26 00:46:34 mbklein @known JodiS 2009-02-26 00:46:34 zoia mbklein: JodiS's URI is 2009-02-26 00:46:36 lbjay when is breakfast? 2009-02-26 00:46:51 scolford omg you people eat breakfast? 2009-02-26 00:46:55 anarchivist lbjay: NAO 2009-02-26 00:47:06 anarchivist anarchivist CAN HAS CHEEZBURGER? 2009-02-26 00:47:53 scolford scolford has had cheezburger. not so hot akchually 2009-02-26 00:49:39 anarchivist anarchivist CAN ONLAY SEE CASEY BISSONS BONJOUR CAHN U HELP ME 2009-02-26 00:49:47 lbjay ana not so hot akchually 2009-02-26 00:49:55 scolford have you non-stale snacks there? 2009-02-26 00:50:02 lbjay @ana not so hot akchually 2009-02-26 00:50:03 zoia lbjay: Lanky, hot holocaust 2009-02-26 00:50:07 anarchivist scolford: chocolates 2009-02-26 00:50:12 lbjay scolford: choco 2009-02-26 00:50:15 chickmarkley_ chocolates 2009-02-26 00:50:27 anarchivist chickmarkley_++ 2009-02-26 00:50:28 anarchivist ALL YOU'NS 2009-02-26 00:50:56 scolford oy. okay. i put Polly Peachum on hold and will be down in 5. 2009-02-26 00:51:56 anarchivist buffalo_tenders++ 2009-02-26 00:53:20 lbjay @hussein Polly Peachum 2009-02-26 00:53:21 zoia lbjay: Heinously lumps cheap 2009-02-26 00:53:42 zoia O HAI 2009-02-26 00:58:55 scolford i was promised muscle tees and all i get is a tight hanes. 2009-02-26 01:02:37 anarchivist @quote add < scolford > i was promised muscle tees and all i get is a tight hanes. 2009-02-26 01:02:37 zoia anarchivist: The operation succeeded. Quote #1756 added. 2009-02-26 01:02:48 scolford doi! 2009-02-26 01:03:22 scolford as it were. so to speak. 2009-02-26 01:05:56 anarchivist JodiS++ 2009-02-26 01:06:02 scolford JodiS_as_benevolent_monarch++ 2009-02-26 01:06:26 scolford JodiS_is_Ozma++ 2009-02-26 01:06:30 mbklein anarchivist: pull this up and crank the volume. i promise it's not a rickroll. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QE1ehQ-TstE 2009-02-26 01:06:32 chickmarkley_ Jodi+chocolate++ 2009-02-26 01:09:28 zoia ℬÅ℞ℬℚ 2009-02-26 01:09:42 zoia ΓΘλΞ 2009-02-26 01:14:24 gsf if royt blogs while he's drinking he gets to expense the scotch 2009-02-26 01:16:01 mbklein @later tell jrochkind http://free-to-all.digital.bpl.org.s3.amazonaws.com/streams/bpldc:08_06_000655/08_06_000655.jpg 2009-02-26 01:16:01 zoia mbklein: The operation succeeded. 2009-02-26 01:20:13 anarchivist goats4lib.org 2009-02-26 01:20:50 anarchivist @quote add < rsinger> no mercy, sensei, no mercy 2009-02-26 01:20:50 zoia anarchivist: The operation succeeded. Quote #1757 added. 2009-02-26 01:22:45 scolford anarchivist: sooo tempted to add the .se to that or something. 2009-02-26 01:23:02 anarchivist ROSS DOESN'T LIVE HERE ANYMORE 2009-02-26 01:24:05 chickmarkley_ ΓΘλΞ 2009-02-26 01:24:16 anarchivist @herald get anarchivist 2009-02-26 01:24:17 zoia anarchivist: ℬÅ℞ℬℚ 2009-02-26 01:25:03 anarchivist edsu has a sweet hat 2009-02-26 01:25:11 anarchivist chickmarkley_++ 2009-02-26 01:25:25 scolford @herald scolford 2009-02-26 01:25:26 zoia scolford: http://www.stopabductions.com/ 2009-02-26 01:25:42 anarchivist scolford: @herald get scolford 2009-02-26 01:25:59 scolford oh 2009-02-26 01:26:16 anarchivist @herald get scolford 2009-02-26 01:26:16 zoia anarchivist: O HAI 2009-02-26 01:26:17 scolford @herald get scolford 2009-02-26 01:26:18 zoia scolford: O HAI 2009-02-26 01:27:15 anarchivist @[obamit [dick [mccainize [herald get anarchivist]]] 2009-02-26 01:27:15 zoia anarchivist: Error: Missing "]". You may want to quote your arguments with double quotes in order to prevent extra brackets from being evaluated as nested commands. 2009-02-26 01:27:18 anarchivist @[obamit [dick [mccainize [herald get anarchivist]]]] 2009-02-26 01:27:20 zoia anarchivist: sorry i'm playing air keyboard while watching http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LGkurWAXgZs 2009-02-26 01:27:30 anarchivist @obamit [dick [mccainize [herald get anarchivist]] 2009-02-26 01:27:30 zoia anarchivist: Error: Missing "]". You may want to quote your arguments with double quotes in order to prevent extra brackets from being evaluated as nested commands. 2009-02-26 01:27:35 anarchivist @obamit [dick [mccainize [herald get anarchivist]]] 2009-02-26 01:27:35 zoia anarchivist: Look, here's what I'm saying... I don't mean to be a dick, but My friends, ℬÅ℞ℬℚ 2009-02-26 01:31:08 gsf @later tell mjgiarlo ur black box is actually a japanese penis 2009-02-26 01:31:08 zoia gsf: The operation succeeded. 2009-02-26 01:32:17 anarchivist @quote add < edsu> what's kerning? 2009-02-26 01:32:17 zoia anarchivist: The operation succeeded. Quote #1758 added. 2009-02-26 01:35:27 zoia O HAI 2009-02-26 01:35:59 anarchivist @quote add < mjgiarlo> THIS IS PAZPAR 2009-02-26 01:35:59 zoia anarchivist: The operation succeeded. Quote #1759 added. 2009-02-26 01:36:12 dchud_ the sleepy 2009-02-26 01:43:12 gsf @quote add i actually have a short film where it's a real pony head this guy is wearing 2009-02-26 01:43:12 zoia gsf: The operation succeeded. Quote #1760 added. 2009-02-26 01:43:58 gsf dchud: are you on again? 2009-02-26 01:45:22 gsf lbjay: you really snuck out of here lb 2009-02-26 01:46:34 zoia ℬÅ℞ℬℚ 2009-02-26 01:46:53 gsf @quote add isn't that soy sauce? 2009-02-26 01:46:53 zoia gsf: The operation succeeded. Quote #1761 added. 2009-02-26 01:50:29 anarchivist @quote add < mjgiarlo> the murders there were killer 2009-02-26 01:50:29 zoia anarchivist: The operation succeeded. Quote #1762 added. 2009-02-26 01:51:45 anarchivist @obama 2009-02-26 01:51:45 zoia anarchivist: BARACK OBAMA RESPECTS YOUR OPINION 2009-02-26 01:51:48 anarchivist @obama 2009-02-26 01:51:49 zoia anarchivist: BARACK OBAMA FOLDED YOU AN ORIGAMI CRANE 2009-02-26 01:51:51 anarchivist @obama 2009-02-26 01:51:51 zoia anarchivist: BARACK OBAMA EMAILED YOUR DAD AND TOLD HIM HOW GREAT YOU ARE 2009-02-26 01:51:52 anarchivist @obama 2009-02-26 01:51:53 zoia anarchivist: BARACK OBAMA CARRIES A PICTURE OF YOU IN HIS WALLET 2009-02-26 01:51:57 anarchivist @hillary 2009-02-26 01:52:00 zoia anarchivist: None 2009-02-26 01:55:58 MrDys gsf: I'm too lazy to learn how to modify the supybot plugin to do it, but if you could, modify 8ball such that when someone asks "does ross live here?" it respods appropriately 2009-02-26 01:56:12 MrDys that would be way awesome 2009-02-26 02:02:31 gsf @last --with frost 2009-02-26 02:02:31 zoia gsf: Error: I couldn't find a message matching that criteria in my history of 1000 messages. 2009-02-26 02:03:46 gsf @quote add tab completion is like a compound bow 2009-02-26 02:03:46 zoia gsf: The operation succeeded. Quote #1763 added. 2009-02-26 02:25:11 anarchivist cheezburgers++ 2009-02-26 02:38:38 anarchivist poochari++ 2009-02-26 07:24:05 JodiS scolford++ # http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QE1ehQ-TstE 2009-02-26 07:24:16 JodiS @dunno add "You have been rate limited." 2009-02-26 07:24:17 zoia JodiS: Error: You must be registered to use this command. If you are already registered, you must either identify (using the identify command) or add a hostmask matching your current hostmask (using the "hostmask add" command). 2009-02-26 07:24:47 JodiS @dunno add "You have been rate limited." 2009-02-26 07:24:47 zoia JodiS: The operation succeeded. Dunno #309 added. 2009-02-26 07:43:59 erikhatcher JodiS: thanks for that link 2009-02-26 07:44:44 JodiS erikhatcher: np, got mentioned last night 2009-02-26 07:45:10 erikhatcher JodiS: still got the chumby? coming down in a few minutes, would love to see it 2009-02-26 07:45:33 JodiS erikhatcher: cool, still in my room, will bring it down. dunno if scolford's seen it either 2009-02-26 07:45:46 JodiS erikhatcher: really glad you're doing consulting now lucidimagination++ 2009-02-26 07:45:56 erikhatcher thanks! 2009-02-26 07:46:41 erikhatcher i'm actually gonna cut out this morning and wander around a bit, probably go to the RISD Museum. got a 2:25pm flight, but havent' seen any of this town yet really 2009-02-26 08:01:46 JodiS Wow, can upload 2 MB from my room in seconds... 2009-02-26 08:04:37 JodiS (file up: http://code4lib.org/files/frbr_code4lib09.pdf ) 2009-02-26 08:11:23 akorphan ibahn-- 2009-02-26 08:12:44 anarchivist hangovers-- 2009-02-26 08:13:11 JodiS ibahn-- 2009-02-26 08:13:34 akorphan @karma ibahn 2009-02-26 08:13:35 zoia akorphan: Karma for "ibahn" has been increased 1 time and decreased 26 times for a total karma of -25. 2009-02-26 08:13:47 akorphan who incremented ibahn, is what I want to know. 2009-02-26 08:13:58 akorphan We must find this person and throttle him/her/it. 2009-02-26 08:14:19 akorphan anarchivist, didn't you have a hangover yestermorning? 2009-02-26 08:14:33 anarchivist akorphan: today's feels worse 2009-02-26 08:14:47 anarchivist akorphan: probably that 9.5% beer i had as my last one in the whatever room last night 2009-02-26 08:14:55 akorphan ooh, what beer was it? 2009-02-26 08:15:07 anarchivist akorphan: i don't remember; i just remember it was 9.5% alcohol 2009-02-26 08:16:10 anarchivist code4lib - promoting functional alcoholism and functional programming since 2006 2009-02-26 08:16:58 akorphan I guess we need to have a functional alcoholism programming breakout. 2009-02-26 08:17:22 anarchivist akorphan: i thing some people already have 2009-02-26 08:17:28 anarchivist s/thing/think 2009-02-26 08:20:54 MrDys akorphan: victory golden monkey 2009-02-26 08:21:34 anarchivist MrDys++ 2009-02-26 08:22:36 akorphan MrDys: Origin? 2009-02-26 08:23:34 MrDys akorphan: the crimson eye of Cerebus 2009-02-26 08:23:48 MrDys I dunno, dude 2009-02-26 08:25:24 anarchivist akorphan: http://beeradvocate.com/beer/profile/345/1003 2009-02-26 08:29:53 ejk stayed up too late reading _Watchmen_ last night 2009-02-26 08:30:30 MrDys reading....right... 2009-02-26 08:31:16 ejk I'm still making my way through the graphic novel for the first time 2009-02-26 08:31:40 ejk Want to be sure to have a frame of reference to judge the movie 2009-02-26 08:33:54 bjy morning 2009-02-26 08:34:47 BillDueber BillDueber needs to head to the airport about 10:30 -- anyone want to share a cab? 2009-02-26 08:35:49 MrDys anyone know what checkout time is at the hotel? 2009-02-26 08:36:17 mdoyle Im heading to the airport around 1030 as well 2009-02-26 08:36:31 ejk MrDys: technically it's noon 2009-02-26 08:36:40 ejk I asked and they puched mine back to 1 2009-02-26 08:36:48 ejk s/puched/pushed 2009-02-26 08:37:19 BillDueber mdoyle: Wanna share a cab? Meet me in the lobby at 10:30 -- I'll arrange for a cab to be there. 2009-02-26 08:37:28 mdoyle sounds good 2009-02-26 08:37:40 BillDueber mdoyle++ (saves me $15) 2009-02-26 08:38:05 mouwd They're updating their system at 11 so you might want to check out before then. 2009-02-26 08:38:22 akorphan Yes, midday right around the end of checkout time, perfect schedule for system maintenance. 2009-02-26 08:39:02 BillDueber BillDueber 's wife's college did an email system upgrade at noon Wednesday, the week before finals. 2009-02-26 08:39:09 BillDueber Downtime was....longer than anticipated. 2009-02-26 08:40:29 jbrinley And port 6667 is blocked again today... 2009-02-26 08:40:49 akorphan dumb_maintenance_schedules-- 2009-02-26 08:45:57 naomi good morning campers! 2009-02-26 08:47:00 lbjay naomi: good morning! 2009-02-26 08:48:26 akorphan INTERNET 2009-02-26 08:48:37 akorphan whatever_room++ 2009-02-26 08:49:17 ejk bueller? 2009-02-26 08:49:59 naomi whatever went on last night? 2009-02-26 08:50:12 rjw code4lib_in_my_timezone++ 2009-02-26 08:50:21 lbjay that was not my iand intro, btw 2009-02-26 08:50:27 mib_rpm2c58d Code4Lib Cannes! 2009-02-26 08:50:42 jfereira code4lib_not_in_my_timezone++ 2009-02-26 08:50:55 JodiS lbjay: MCing and introing iand today? 2009-02-26 08:50:57 rjw code4libre 2009-02-26 08:51:10 ejk @hosts2011 2009-02-26 08:51:11 zoia ejk: Peculiar, Missouri [85]; Gross, Nebraska [83]; Eek, Alaska [74]; Jupiter, Florida [45]; Aces of Diamonds, Florida [30]; Blueballs, Pennsylvania [17]; Cold Foot, Alaska [15]; Lollipop, Texas [6] 2009-02-26 08:51:15 JodiS lbjay: thanks for the code4libEU shoutout this AM :) 2009-02-26 08:51:31 JodiS hey naomi :) 2009-02-26 08:51:40 naomi budget_issue-- 2009-02-26 08:51:41 JodiS shekhar! are you in town? 2009-02-26 08:51:44 naomi hi Jodis! 2009-02-26 08:51:59 akorphan Hi naomi. Looked for you at beer o'clock last night but couldn't find you. 2009-02-26 08:52:02 shekhar JodiS: depends on what you mean by town 2009-02-26 08:52:29 kgs ibahn-- 2009-02-26 08:52:42 shekhar i'm in cambridge, since they started selling crack at code4lib some of us got bumped to the waiting list 2009-02-26 08:53:35 pmurray @excuse 2009-02-26 08:53:36 zoia pmurray: My excuse for today is "failure of the AE-35 unit" 2009-02-26 08:53:45 zoia Mortals! Tremble in fear, fer ye doom approaches! th' skies gunna burn, th' seven seas boil! He arr....oh, sorry thought it was someone else. 'tis just jtgorman. 2009-02-26 08:53:55 bseitz shekhar: they don't sell it, it's comes free with registration 2009-02-26 08:53:59 naomi akorphan: it's hard to find me at beer o'clock b/c i don't drink 2009-02-26 08:54:04 akorphan entropy_generator++ 2009-02-26 08:54:15 shekhar bseitz: is that why registration is so expensive? shiit... 2009-02-26 08:54:17 akorphan naomi: there was crudite, too! 2009-02-26 08:54:21 naomi akorphan: and I'm leaving 11ish this morning, so accost me at the break 2009-02-26 08:54:33 akorphan naomi: Roger, where are you seated? 2009-02-26 08:54:33 naomi akrophan: yes, i played rabbit nicely! 2009-02-26 08:54:41 ejk Bingo! 2009-02-26 08:54:44 shekhar Anyone interested in drinks at MIT this evening? 2009-02-26 08:55:05 naomi akorphan: right side facing the dias. by the wall 2009-02-26 08:55:24 jaf Anyone interested in drinks in Darien this evening? 2009-02-26 08:55:25 bseitz shekhar: we're sponsored by the providence police dept, they have a lot of extra. 2009-02-26 08:55:27 jbrinley shoe: ping 2009-02-26 08:55:35 zoia ℬÅ℞ℬℚ 2009-02-26 08:55:42 mjg_ anarchivist++ 2009-02-26 08:55:45 fak3r greetz 2009-02-26 08:55:55 akorphan posthumus is the awesomest last name ever 2009-02-26 08:55:55 BillDueber psudo-random-- 2009-02-26 08:56:02 mjg_ mornin', y'alls. 2009-02-26 08:56:02 naomi akorphan++ 2009-02-26 08:56:06 fak3r akorphan: he's got a great domain name too 2009-02-26 08:56:07 ejk esposthumus++ 2009-02-26 08:56:23 akorphan naomi: any distinctive clothing by which to identify you? 2009-02-26 08:56:24 mjg_ epoz++ # who really doesn't want to add two books to his suitcase 2009-02-26 08:56:24 JodiS fak3r: I still haven't figured out what you look like 2009-02-26 08:56:26 naomi anyone going to airport leaving 11ish today? 2009-02-26 08:56:45 naomi akorphan: pinkish top, blue and black fleece vest 2009-02-26 08:56:47 shekhar shekhar organizing crack4lib in Cambridge next year 2009-02-26 08:56:54 jaf no pants 2009-02-26 08:56:56 naomi akorphan: i'm female. ;-) 2009-02-26 08:57:00 BillDueber naomi: mdoyle and I are leaving at 10:30 -- I'm sure we can fit one more in the cab. 2009-02-26 08:57:01 naomi jar: LOL 2009-02-26 08:57:03 akorphan naomi: red macbook? 2009-02-26 08:57:04 epoz akorphan++ 2009-02-26 08:57:05 jtgorman jtgorman is reminded he needs to dig up youtube videos of that MIT Fashion show...mythril? 2009-02-26 08:57:12 naomi BillDueber: sounds good. 2009-02-26 08:57:24 BillDueber @seen mdoyle 2009-02-26 08:57:25 naomi akorphan: you got it 2009-02-26 08:57:25 zoia BillDueber: mdoyle was last seen in #code4lib 19 minutes and 56 seconds ago: sounds good 2009-02-26 08:57:33 akorphan You are basically looking directly at me. 2009-02-26 08:57:38 anarchivist anarchivist digs up videos of stallman doing the soulja boy dance 2009-02-26 08:57:39 akorphan if you look forward, that is. 2009-02-26 08:57:53 jbrinley oldtimers++ 2009-02-26 08:57:56 anarchivist royt++ 2009-02-26 08:57:59 MrDys- | BLTnoTomato: someone mentioned the other night that you were asking about LibGuides...? 2009-02-26 08:58:02 akorphan crotchety_oldtimers++ 2009-02-26 08:58:02 anarchivist s/timer/fart 2009-02-26 08:58:07 naomi people_older_than_i_am++ 2009-02-26 08:58:09 mjg_ royt++ # So old the hills ask him for advice. 2009-02-26 08:58:18 anarchivist mjg_++ 2009-02-26 08:58:20 BigD geezers 2009-02-26 08:58:21 BLTnoTomato mrdys-, yep yep i was 2009-02-26 08:58:27 anarchivist BigD++ 2009-02-26 08:58:29 fak3r JodiS: really? sorry, we met at the pre-con - I need to have fak3r on my nametag. will try to introduce today 2009-02-26 08:58:30 abarrera royt++ # so old he cataloged cave writings 2009-02-26 08:58:35 JodiS fak3r: cool, thanks 2009-02-26 08:58:38 royt mjg_: then the hills are stupid 2009-02-26 08:58:43 anarchivist abarrera++ 2009-02-26 08:58:43 MrDys BLTnoTomato: anything I could try to answer for ya? 2009-02-26 08:58:52 akorphan leather_vest++ 2009-02-26 08:58:54 mjg_ too bad they're not giving away books to dumbtimers. 2009-02-26 08:58:59 ejk oldfirsttimers++ 2009-02-26 08:58:59 naomi MrDys: what is the meaning of life? 2009-02-26 08:59:03 BLTnoTomato mtdys, i'm good atm, but thank you 2009-02-26 08:59:03 MrDys mjg_: you bitter timer 2009-02-26 08:59:04 royt aberrera: right, and i used MARC to do it too 2009-02-26 08:59:05 mbklein mornotimers 2009-02-26 08:59:12 naomi bacontimers 2009-02-26 08:59:16 mjg_ edsu has woken up giggling. 2009-02-26 08:59:24 akorphan pseudo_random-- 2009-02-26 08:59:25 anarchivist mjg_++ 2009-02-26 08:59:26 BLTnoTomato BLTnoTomato has always wondered what the ultimate question would be for the ultimate answer of 42 2009-02-26 08:59:30 ecorrado we need bacon at breakfast next year 2009-02-26 08:59:33 mbklein Someone hack into Birkin's laptop and take over his /dev/random 2009-02-26 08:59:36 akorphan bacon++ 2009-02-26 08:59:38 fak3r won yesterday? just like post...the fix is in 2009-02-26 08:59:44 fak3r books+_ 2009-02-26 08:59:45 anarchivist I NEED A NEW ENTROPY SOURCE 2009-02-26 08:59:46 dlovins edsu++ 2009-02-26 08:59:55 JodiS somebody hack up a random w/o replacement, seeded, @ call to zoia 2009-02-26 08:59:55 fak3r books are heavy, it's all on PDF these days ;) 2009-02-26 08:59:57 mbklein Is this where Ross lives? 2009-02-26 09:00:00 BigD ecorrado: and lunch, and dinner, and second breakfast, and snack, and snackscnack, and dessert, and... 2009-02-26 09:00:00 rjw bacon_at_breakfast++ 2009-02-26 09:00:01 JodiS books++ 2009-02-26 09:00:03 JodiS edsu++ 2009-02-26 09:00:06 anarchivist ROSS DOESN'T LIVE HERE ANYMORE 2009-02-26 09:00:08 JodiS python_mag++ 2009-02-26 09:00:12 JodiS lbjay++ 2009-02-26 09:00:12 akorphan JodiS++ 2009-02-26 09:00:14 mbklein anarchivist++ 2009-02-26 09:00:26 ecorrado bacon_dessert++ 2009-02-26 09:00:31 kgs I am going to the airport as soon as c4l is done to pick up a rental (which I"m returning tomorrow -- doing a day trip). Would love to share a cab as a 2nd or 3rd passenger... and I have no luggage! 2009-02-26 09:00:36 mbklein happy_icons++ 2009-02-26 09:00:38 anarchivist candied_bacon++ 2009-02-26 09:00:38 naomi anarchivist-- # all caps 2009-02-26 09:00:39 MrDys lbjay++ 2009-02-26 09:00:40 JodiS fak3r: can I have an 8.5 x 11 screenreader? 2009-02-26 09:00:43 rsinger i live in a van 2009-02-26 09:00:44 fak3r hug the semantic web 2009-02-26 09:00:44 akorphan indifferent_icons+- 2009-02-26 09:00:51 rsinger down by the river 2009-02-26 09:00:53 BLTnoTomato does anyone know of a php script that will spider a site and return a navigation tree? 2009-02-26 09:01:02 mbklein naomi: When anarchivist types in all caps, he's not anarchivist. He's the Anti-Ross 2009-02-26 09:01:04 naomi ambivalence+- 2009-02-26 09:01:04 dlovins lbjay++ 2009-02-26 09:01:05 anarchivist naomi: don't blame me, blame rsinger 2009-02-26 09:01:08 mjg_ mjg_ sweetly embraces the semantic web 2009-02-26 09:01:10 escowles kgs: i need to go to the airport then, too 2009-02-26 09:01:15 naomi anarchivist++ 2009-02-26 09:01:21 rsinger i bring on yelling 2009-02-26 09:01:23 anarchivist i'm "BAD ROSS" 2009-02-26 09:01:32 anarchivist iand++ 2009-02-26 09:01:32 abarrera mjg_: the semantic web is suing you for harrassment 2009-02-26 09:01:37 lbjay no takers on the python mag still :( 2009-02-26 09:01:42 shekhar BLTnoTomato: try wget 2009-02-26 09:01:43 fak3r jingle jangle 2009-02-26 09:01:45 BillDueber naomi: You can tell the difference because BAD ROSS has a goatee. 2009-02-26 09:01:45 fak3r ross mention 2009-02-26 09:01:47 royt who separated rsinger and anarchivist at birth? 2009-02-26 09:01:47 kgs escowles that would be very cool 2009-02-26 09:01:47 mjg_ lbjay++ # for hooking that up 2009-02-26 09:01:48 anarchivist lbjay: i'd take it 2009-02-26 09:01:51 JodiS rsinger++ 2009-02-26 09:01:55 anarchivist royt: OCLC 2009-02-26 09:01:55 lbjay anarchivist: you may just get one 2009-02-26 09:01:57 MrDys I got shoes that jingle jangle jingle 2009-02-26 09:02:04 edc_mibbit edc_mibbit will take python mag if I win, although the shell scripting books look nice 2009-02-26 09:02:04 rsinger FREEDOM 2009-02-26 09:02:05 MrDys s/shoes/spurs 2009-02-26 09:02:08 dlovins data_silos-- 2009-02-26 09:02:14 naomi british_accents++ 2009-02-26 09:02:16 BigD i'm that way with the wife. back in the box! 2009-02-26 09:02:17 rsinger my face is painted blue right now 2009-02-26 09:02:17 fak3r mjg_: still want to meet, or at least email, iand 2009-02-26 09:02:20 royt royt looks for the 996 on the sole of anarchivist's foot 2009-02-26 09:02:21 fak3r accents++ 2009-02-26 09:02:21 jwn @sin police love someone 2009-02-26 09:02:22 zoia jwn: Hmmmm!! 2009-02-26 09:02:23 escowles kgs: shall we meet in the lobby right after then? i need to pickup my bag 2009-02-26 09:02:25 kgs we could meet 12:15 in the lobby 2009-02-26 09:02:25 rsinger wearing only a fur loincloth 2009-02-26 09:02:26 dlovins @karma data_silos 2009-02-26 09:02:26 zoia dlovins: Karma for "data_silos" has been increased 0 times and decreased 4 times for a total karma of -4. 2009-02-26 09:02:28 JodiS lbjay: that's cause you got half of us a python mag subscription already! 2009-02-26 09:02:32 mbklein abarrera: You mean <#servesNoticeTo> 2009-02-26 09:02:33 mjg_ CAPS LOCK IS OFTEN AN INDICATOR OF DRUNKENNESS. 2009-02-26 09:02:33 jwn @sing police love someone 2009-02-26 09:02:35 zoia jwn: No songs found by police love someone 2009-02-26 09:02:39 JodiS "it hurts the business to do jangle" 2009-02-26 09:02:47 naomi mfg_: not hangovers? 2009-02-26 09:02:48 kgs perfectamundo -- I need to unload my taping equipment 2009-02-26 09:02:54 royt rsinger is hurting the business 2009-02-26 09:02:55 naomi mfg_ --> mtg_ 2009-02-26 09:02:58 BigD CAPS hurt hangovers 2009-02-26 09:03:03 naomi mtg_ -> mjg_ 2009-02-26 09:03:03 rsinger what he really means is "it hurts our business to employ ross" 2009-02-26 09:03:04 BillDueber @sing sting : set them free 2009-02-26 09:03:06 zoia BillDueber: No lyrics for set them free by sting. Searched lyricwiki & lyricsty 2009-02-26 09:03:07 zoia ΓΘλΞ 2009-02-26 09:03:11 anarchivist HOME TAGGING IS KILLING MARC 2009-02-26 09:03:12 mbklein naomi: There it is. :) 2009-02-26 09:03:16 BLTnoTomato shekhar, is there a php script called wget or are you referring to the *nix command wget? 2009-02-26 09:03:18 mjg_ naomi: basically! 2009-02-26 09:03:18 BigD mjg_ -> dumbass 2009-02-26 09:03:19 fak3r `mv cave /usr/local/backup` 2009-02-26 09:03:20 edc_mibbit cave4lib++ 2009-02-26 09:03:22 jwn @sing police : love someone 2009-02-26 09:03:23 zoia jwn: No lyrics for love someone by police. Searched lyricwiki & lyricsty 2009-02-26 09:03:25 kgs home tagging? 2009-02-26 09:03:30 mbklein @stfu Angry Ross 2009-02-26 09:03:31 zoia mbklein: What This World Needs Is A Facebook App To Organize Facebook Apps (and Groups) ! 2009-02-26 09:03:31 naomi dang wrist braces cause more typos 2009-02-26 09:03:45 mbklein mbklein makes a mental note to write @stfu 2009-02-26 09:03:45 BigD naomi: home arrest? 2009-02-26 09:03:47 MrDys communicating van gogh stylee 2009-02-26 09:03:48 rsinger cave.rb 2009-02-26 09:03:50 akorphan WORM memory is as old as the caves I guess. 2009-02-26 09:03:50 fak3r cave painting: I saw a horse, here's what it looked like 2009-02-26 09:03:57 naomi BigD++ 2009-02-26 09:04:06 shekhar BLTnoTomato: *nix 2009-02-26 09:04:07 fak3r ./paint -r -O cave_wall 2009-02-26 09:04:10 mjg_ fak3r: yeah, re: iand; I may just e-mail/irc him. 2009-02-26 09:04:11 naomi (except they'd be ankle bracelets 2009-02-26 09:04:13 BigD naomi: not that i'd know anyhting about that 2009-02-26 09:04:19 mbklein I agree with everything except the stuff I don't agree with. 2009-02-26 09:04:24 BigD naomi: i type with my feet 2009-02-26 09:04:27 naomi BigD: not that there' 2009-02-26 09:04:31 naomi s anything wrong w that ... 2009-02-26 09:04:34 BigD justifies the lack of pants 2009-02-26 09:04:37 kgs escowles do you have distinguishing characteristics? (I am short, female, and over 50) 2009-02-26 09:04:38 fak3r mjg_: good, I started some bittorrent idea site, but no one was interested, no traction 2009-02-26 09:04:40 akorphan INFORMATION WANTS TO BE FREE! 2009-02-26 09:04:44 mbklein BigD: No, no it doesn't. 2009-02-26 09:04:46 akorphan BORN FREE! FREE AS THE WIND BLOWS! 2009-02-26 09:04:46 mjg_ MrDys: a preference to encode language in lopped-off ears 2009-02-26 09:04:51 fak3r mjg_: so I haven't proved it fails yet :0 2009-02-26 09:04:54 BigD kgs: escowles is sitting next to me 2009-02-26 09:04:57 lbjay i need a photo from one of the NYC code4libs 2009-02-26 09:04:57 mbklein INFORMATION WANTS TO BE ANTHROPOMORPHIZED! 2009-02-26 09:05:00 BillDueber kgs: You're not short! You're...just...er....yeah, ok, you're short. 2009-02-26 09:05:09 escowles kgs: i'm 5'6", wearing a black tee shirt, redish hair 2009-02-26 09:05:12 naomi kgs: "vertically challenged" 2009-02-26 09:05:12 edc_mibbit edc_mibbit not sure that information wants to be free is an universal value 2009-02-26 09:05:12 anarchivist "Died in asylum" 2009-02-26 09:05:14 gsf akorphan, mbklein: you have too much energy at this time 2009-02-26 09:05:15 fak3r I like the slides 2009-02-26 09:05:16 mjg_ kgs++ 2009-02-26 09:05:16 BigD kgs: look to yer right more 2009-02-26 09:05:20 anarchivist gsf++ 2009-02-26 09:05:22 royt INFORMATION WANTS TO BE LEFT ALONE 2009-02-26 09:05:30 kgs hah got yer 20 2009-02-26 09:05:30 JodiS Web not free. 2009-02-26 09:05:35 fak3r kgs: I'm 5'10'' 2009-02-26 09:05:35 edc_mibbit information wants to be put into solr 2009-02-26 09:05:37 akorphan caps lock doesn't take that much energy 2009-02-26 09:05:40 MrDys @sing alice deejay : better off alone 2009-02-26 09:05:40 mbklein INFORMATION WANTS TO BE OWNED BY OCLC 2009-02-26 09:05:43 zoia Do you think you're better off alone? / Do you think you're better off alone? / Do you think you're better off alone? / Do you think you're better off alone? 2009-02-26 09:05:45 akorphan it's much easier to fake having energy when you don't -actually- have to shout. 2009-02-26 09:05:47 rsinger INFORMATION SAYS, 'GET OFF MY DAMN LAWN' 2009-02-26 09:05:47 mjg_ I also have a height. 2009-02-26 09:05:47 kgs we just analog-foafed 2009-02-26 09:05:52 JodiS edc_mibbit: information wants to be free, and information wants to be expensive. Everyone forgets that. 2009-02-26 09:05:53 jaf diffiulty in reproduction..I think there are pills for that 2009-02-26 09:05:55 escowles information doesn't want to be anthropomorphized 2009-02-26 09:05:55 edc_mibbit mbklein: you forgot your 996 2009-02-26 09:05:57 gsf foaid: friend of an ian davis 2009-02-26 09:05:57 anarchivist rsinger: s/INFORMATION/ROYT 2009-02-26 09:06:02 naomi "metadata wants to be free" - Diane Hillmann 2009-02-26 09:06:11 anarchivist chump_of_a_drunk++ 2009-02-26 09:06:15 fak3r good slides, but I'm craving bullet points 2009-02-26 09:06:16 royt GET OFF MY DAMN LAWN 2009-02-26 09:06:21 akorphan @sing john barry : born free 2009-02-26 09:06:22 mbklein I thought the Internet was a truck. 2009-02-26 09:06:23 MrDys @sing baz luhrman : everybody's free 2009-02-26 09:06:24 zoia akorphan: No lyrics for born free by john barry. Searched lyricwiki & lyricsty 2009-02-26 09:06:26 rsinger royt++ 2009-02-26 09:06:26 zoia MrDys: No lyrics for everybody's free by baz luhrman. Searched lyricwiki & lyricsty 2009-02-26 09:06:33 rsinger GET OFF MY DAMN TREEHOUSE 2009-02-26 09:06:38 fak3r bah, forgot to plug my mouse into the world today 2009-02-26 09:06:40 naomi mbklein: a book truck 2009-02-26 09:06:43 JodiS anarchivist: have you been to any of these nyc meetups? 2009-02-26 09:06:43 mbklein Most *and* least. 2009-02-26 09:06:44 akorphan @sing andy williams : born free 2009-02-26 09:06:45 anarchivist @dunno search puppies 2009-02-26 09:06:45 zoia Oscar-winning title song from the 1966 film, Barry also won for soundtrack / Charted in 1966 at # 7 by Roger Williams and # 35 by Matt Monro / Soul version by the Hesitations hit #38 in 1968 / Born free, as free as the wind blows 2009-02-26 09:06:46 kgs more than the book? 2009-02-26 09:06:47 zoia anarchivist: 1 found: #150: "why don't you ask royt to read to you about..." 2009-02-26 09:06:50 fak3r earth: mostly harmless 2009-02-26 09:06:52 JodiS mouse, meet world. world, meet mouse 2009-02-26 09:06:54 anarchivist JodiS: which ones, the c4l ones? 2009-02-26 09:06:57 anarchivist @quote get 150 2009-02-26 09:06:58 zoia anarchivist: Quote #150: "< panizzi> ruby is a hint to migrate planet code4lib to Angola!" (added by edsu at 04:13 PM, January 27, 2006) 2009-02-26 09:07:02 epoz Do you know you've arrived when you Reply-to-Keynote in stead of reply-to-Tweet? 2009-02-26 09:07:09 JodiS JodiS anarchivist: yeah, c4l nyc meetup. lbjay needs photos. can you hook him up? 2009-02-26 09:07:11 jwn @sing police : if you love somebody 2009-02-26 09:07:12 BillDueber @sing Bread : Mother Freedom 2009-02-26 09:07:14 zoia jwn: No lyrics for if you love somebody by police. Searched lyricwiki & lyricsty 2009-02-26 09:07:15 zoia Callin' some friend and callin' some brother / Hey tomorrow / You're not so far away / Mother freedom 2009-02-26 09:07:18 fak3r web ftw 2009-02-26 09:07:19 BigD pr0n 2009-02-26 09:07:26 JodiS epoz: reply_to_keynote++ 2009-02-26 09:07:29 jbrinley BigD: there you have it 2009-02-26 09:07:31 mib_w5jbygqg bigD is right 2009-02-26 09:07:32 ejk BigD++ 2009-02-26 09:07:35 anarchivist JodiS: maybe ask abarrera, paulalbert, joanna dipasquale, or kevin reiss 2009-02-26 09:07:37 naomi if I weren't so lazy, we could have c4l california 2009-02-26 09:07:37 jwn @sing the police : if you love somebody 2009-02-26 09:07:38 fak3r a href = some link 2009-02-26 09:07:40 zoia jwn: No lyrics for if you love somebody by the police. Searched lyricwiki & lyricsty 2009-02-26 09:07:41 BigD thankyouandgoodnight! 2009-02-26 09:07:41 BillDueber @sing Sting : If you love someone set them free 2009-02-26 09:07:43 zoia BillDueber: No lyrics for If you love someone set them free by Sting. Searched lyricwiki & lyricsty 2009-02-26 09:07:45 escowles @karma BigD 2009-02-26 09:07:45 royt printing on paper is the most successful information system ever devised 2009-02-26 09:07:45 zoia escowles: Karma for "BigD" has been increased 129 times and decreased 16 times for a total karma of 113. 2009-02-26 09:07:46 abarrera BigD++ # just from you 2009-02-26 09:07:49 anarchivist JodiS: i don't have any 2009-02-26 09:07:56 mbklein If you increase the availability of useful information by 1,000,000,000,000 times, but increase the availability of useless, harmful, and time-wasting crapola by 1,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 times, is that a success? 2009-02-26 09:07:56 fak3r stl4lib 2009-02-26 09:08:02 mib_w5jbygqg p0rn and lolcats too 2009-02-26 09:08:05 abarrera JodiS: i have none 2009-02-26 09:08:06 dlovins BigD++ 2009-02-26 09:08:07 mjg_ It vaguely smells like IPA around here. 2009-02-26 09:08:10 mjg_ ... ROSS 2009-02-26 09:08:12 fak3r mbklein: big win predicted? 2009-02-26 09:08:19 JodiS JodiS paulalbert, joanna dipasquale, or kevin reiss: got an nyc code4lib meetup photo for lbjay to use? 2009-02-26 09:08:21 rsinger ...IS KILLING TALIS 2009-02-26 09:08:22 edsu mjg_: that would be me 2009-02-26 09:08:23 BillDueber mbklein: It depends on how good your search algorithms are. 2009-02-26 09:08:25 edc_mibbit JodiS: i don't remember all of the details, but i sawa a great presentation about indigenous people of Australia and South America and the idea of sharing information with everyone was not accepted 2009-02-26 09:08:28 royt rsinger is sweating IPA 2009-02-26 09:08:32 akorphan mjg_: Smells more like API to me 2009-02-26 09:08:36 abarrera JodiS: 0-4, os unless paul has some 2009-02-26 09:08:39 MrDys rsinger smells smart 2009-02-26 09:08:40 JodiS network_effect++ 2009-02-26 09:08:46 dlovins Web = giant vanity press? 2009-02-26 09:08:48 fak3r vote austin! oh 2009-02-26 09:08:49 mjg_ IPA > API 2009-02-26 09:08:52 rsinger morning after beer smells smart? 2009-02-26 09:08:52 harmless ipa has an intuitive api 2009-02-26 09:08:53 lbjay JodiS: thanks 2009-02-26 09:08:54 royt there's nothing like the smell of API in the morning 2009-02-26 09:09:00 anarchivist OPEN IPAS 2009-02-26 09:09:03 JodiS lbjay: thank me when you get somewhere :) 2009-02-26 09:09:04 jaf semantic web conference just announced for Sept 8-11 in Trento, Italy 2009-02-26 09:09:07 lbjay i am failing to find anything via the googles or flickr 2009-02-26 09:09:11 harmless anarchivist++ 2009-02-26 09:09:11 JodiS edc_mibbit: Australia has lots of disclaimers re: photos of the deceased 2009-02-26 09:09:12 akorphan critical_point++ 2009-02-26 09:09:22 naomi anarchivist: pony tail, red shit, 17" monitor? 2009-02-26 09:09:29 abarrera lbjay: i don't remember anyone having a camera 2009-02-26 09:09:29 mbklein Open Source Beer: http://www.opensourcebeerproject.com/ 2009-02-26 09:09:31 royt jaf: all of a sudden i'm a huge fan of the semantic web 2009-02-26 09:09:32 anarchivist naomi: me? no 2009-02-26 09:09:32 rsinger red_shit-- 2009-02-26 09:09:33 JodiS lbjay: what's your timeframe? for lightning talk? or sooner? 2009-02-26 09:09:34 fak3r walled garden: fail 2009-02-26 09:09:42 BigD naomi: where from california art thou? 2009-02-26 09:09:46 anarchivist anarchivist is a wallflower 2009-02-26 09:09:46 jaf anarchivist: wait, that's me 2009-02-26 09:09:51 rsinger i could deal with that garden, really 2009-02-26 09:09:58 naomi BigD: I work for Stanford; I live in Menlo Park. 2009-02-26 09:09:58 akorphan I think IanD is mixing his metaphors. 2009-02-26 09:10:06 mjg_ mjg_ tosses a molotov into the walled garden 2009-02-26 09:10:07 JodiS anarchivist:wallflower:: __________:____________ 2009-02-26 09:10:19 MrDys MrDys starts beat juggling metaphors 2009-02-26 09:10:23 kgs menlo_park++ # misses norcal 2009-02-26 09:10:24 jtgorman doh!, forgot to post my cartoon for #code4lib...will have to do when I get home 2009-02-26 09:10:29 naomi I would publish in arXiv.org 2009-02-26 09:10:31 jtgorman jtgorman has too many things to do when he gets home 2009-02-26 09:10:37 JodiS naomi++ 2009-02-26 09:10:38 BigD naomi: i'm at UCSD 2009-02-26 09:10:46 anarchivist lbjay: ask abarrera to ask jdipasquale, who is sitting right next to him 2009-02-26 09:10:53 JodiS naomi: do you follow the DL feed from arXiv? 2009-02-26 09:11:08 naomi JodiS: no, but I'm friends with Simeon Warner. 2009-02-26 09:11:15 anarchivist lbjay: she's not in IRC 2009-02-26 09:11:17 mbklein anarchivist: ask anarchivist to ask abarrera to ask... oh screw it. 2009-02-26 09:11:22 lbjay lbjay wonders what color MrDys's ocean would be 2009-02-26 09:11:24 BigD naomi: i may have just met you on the elevator 2009-02-26 09:11:25 fak3r more metaphors 2009-02-26 09:11:26 gsf that is not an ocean 2009-02-26 09:11:29 JodiS JodiS abarerra: can you see if jdipasquale can hook up lbjay with an NYC code4lib meetup photo? 2009-02-26 09:11:30 jaf JodiS: Me too, just met with him the other day 2009-02-26 09:11:32 MrDys lbjay: the color of THE SOUL 2009-02-26 09:11:33 lbjay JodiS: LT 2009-02-26 09:11:34 anarchivist @dunno get 150 2009-02-26 09:11:34 naomi BigD: yes, I think so. 2009-02-26 09:11:34 zoia anarchivist: Dunno #150: "why don't you ask royt to read to you about puppies instead? http://icanhaz.com/puppies" (added by anarchivist at 09:21 PM, August 15, 2008) 2009-02-26 09:11:36 fak3r big blue computer, not ocean 2009-02-26 09:11:42 royt red ocean? blue ocean? huh? 2009-02-26 09:11:42 rsinger well, talis is more blue pool material 2009-02-26 09:11:43 JodiS lbjay; ok :) 2009-02-26 09:11:43 abarrera lbjay: already did, her and kevin both said no 2009-02-26 09:11:44 lbjay JodiS: i'll find them at the break 2009-02-26 09:11:46 jtgorman jtgorman is Sir Not Appearing At This Conference 2009-02-26 09:11:49 mjg_ the color of MrDys's ocean may only be detected by taste and touch. 2009-02-26 09:11:51 fak3r netbook 2009-02-26 09:11:53 jwn red fish, blue fish 2009-02-26 09:11:57 lbjay abarrera: k.o. thanks 2009-02-26 09:12:08 MrDys the synaesthetic ocean 2009-02-26 09:12:12 ejk @rate RedOcean BlueOcean 2009-02-26 09:12:14 fak3r code4lib 2009-02-26 09:12:17 zoia ejk: RedOcean: ?; BlueOcean: 3.3. BlueOcean sucks! 2009-02-26 09:12:20 naomi mjg_: the color of MrDys's ocean is psychedelic 2009-02-26 09:12:26 BillDueber And the auto industry won't exist again in about three days 2009-02-26 09:12:31 mbklein @rate red_ocean blue_ocean 2009-02-26 09:12:31 BigD red ocean = sharks? 2009-02-26 09:12:32 fak3r BillDueber:++ 2009-02-26 09:12:35 zoia mbklein: red ocean: 10.0; blue ocean: 9.5. red ocean rocks! 2009-02-26 09:12:35 fak3r bikes ftw 2009-02-26 09:12:39 rsinger @decide blue ocean or billy ocean 2009-02-26 09:12:39 zoia rsinger: go with billy ocean 2009-02-26 09:12:40 rosy1280 BillDueber++ 2009-02-26 09:12:41 scotchko funny cause the Semantic Web is a red ocean like anything else :) 2009-02-26 09:12:42 mbklein @rate api ipa 2009-02-26 09:12:42 akorphan @rate AutoIndustry ITIndustry 2009-02-26 09:12:46 zoia mbklein: api: 7.3; ipa: 8.6. ipa rocks! 2009-02-26 09:12:48 fak3r irc 2009-02-26 09:12:49 zoia akorphan: AutoIndustry: ?; ITIndustry: ?. 2009-02-26 09:12:54 timmcgeary maybe just "US" car companies... 2009-02-26 09:12:54 akorphan Oh well. 2009-02-26 09:13:01 BillDueber michigan-- rhode_island-- # tied for highest unemployment in the US 2009-02-26 09:13:02 akorphan @rate toyota ford 2009-02-26 09:13:03 mbklein @rate anarchivist rsinger 2009-02-26 09:13:03 zoia akorphan: toyota: 8.5; ford: 7.5. toyota rocks! 2009-02-26 09:13:05 zoia mbklein: anarchivist: ?; rsinger: 10.0. rsinger rocks! 2009-02-26 09:13:09 rsinger zoia: get out of my dreams, and into my car 2009-02-26 09:13:09 zoia rsinger: Error: The command "get" is available in the Dunno, Herald, Praise, and Quote plugins. Please specify the plugin whose command you wish to call by using its name as a command before "get". 2009-02-26 09:13:10 fak3r 'free online poker' 2009-02-26 09:13:14 kgs i'm having trouble with the syllogism 2009-02-26 09:13:14 mjg_ also good for linking documents together: chains 2009-02-26 09:13:15 mbklein anarchivist: oooh...burn.... 2009-02-26 09:13:15 JodiS naomi, jaf: cool :) arXiv DL feed has interesting stuff, sometimes worth connecting up with code4lib IMO 2009-02-26 09:13:15 anarchivist rsinger++ 2009-02-26 09:13:17 jwn unlinked documents UNITE! 2009-02-26 09:13:19 JodiS "only connect" 2009-02-26 09:13:24 anarchivist mbklein: "undefined" 2009-02-26 09:13:29 anarchivist rsinger: WAIT FOR IT 2009-02-26 09:13:30 timmcgeary online_poker++ 2009-02-26 09:13:30 JodiS mjg: chaingangs? 2009-02-26 09:13:31 anarchivist rsinger: WAIT FOR IT 2009-02-26 09:13:31 fak3r we need another transformers picture here 2009-02-26 09:13:32 mouwd actually some of the non-us car companies had bigger decreases in sales this past year 2009-02-26 09:13:35 ejk @rate underscores Camelcase 2009-02-26 09:13:39 akorphan Dudes on the right have no friends. 2009-02-26 09:13:39 zoia ejk: underscores: 2.6; Camelcase: 1.6. Camelcase sucks! 2009-02-26 09:13:41 gsf mjg_: handcuffs 2009-02-26 09:13:48 timmcgeary JodiS: add all-night poker to your conference list for next year 2009-02-26 09:13:48 JodiS kgs: syllogism? 2009-02-26 09:13:49 akorphan I feel bad for Barry A. Dobyns. 2009-02-26 09:13:51 BillDueber BillDueber has seen that image about 90 times, and it remains a ridiculously bad way to try to visualize pretty much anything. 2009-02-26 09:13:56 fak3r linky love 2009-02-26 09:13:57 mbklein mbklein waits for anarchivist to go put up an "anarchivist rocks rsinger sucks anarchivist rocks rsinger sucks anarchivist rocks rsinger sucks anarchivist rocks rsinger sucks" just to change the ratings 2009-02-26 09:14:02 BigD my inbox looks like that slide 2009-02-26 09:14:04 jtgorman jtgorman wonders what image it is 2009-02-26 09:14:06 JodiS timmcgeary: heard and written down :) 2009-02-26 09:14:06 mjg_ mjg_ invents bookcuffs and sells them to roy 2009-02-26 09:14:13 anarchivist timmcgeary: someone else was talking about getting a poker room together for next year 2009-02-26 09:14:14 naomi so ... what did happen in whatever room last night? I heard it was a late night. 2009-02-26 09:14:15 BigD poker_at_c4l++ 2009-02-26 09:14:20 anarchivist i think it was BigD and charper 2009-02-26 09:14:24 kgs there's a presumed logical argument I'm missing but then again last night's beer was good 2009-02-26 09:14:24 akorphan I think he means, "would change fundamentally if it worked" 2009-02-26 09:14:26 BillDueber Left side of the room is "anarchivist rocks"; right side is "rsinger sucks" 2009-02-26 09:14:30 jwn ... changes ... connected...? 2009-02-26 09:14:30 anarchivist naomi: youtube videos 2009-02-26 09:14:30 rsinger you know... whtever 2009-02-26 09:14:31 fak3r semantic web changed...the name of this talk 2009-02-26 09:14:34 mib_w5jbygqg poker++ 2009-02-26 09:14:35 mikeybe i wonder if it has changed us for the better 2009-02-26 09:14:37 naomi and how was werewolf? 2009-02-26 09:14:38 timmcgeary anarchivist: that's great! I'd love some Hold 'Em 2009-02-26 09:14:40 JodiS @rocks anarchivist rsinger 2009-02-26 09:14:41 timmcgeary poker++ 2009-02-26 09:14:41 bess naomi: I got a great tutorial on RDF and chatbots 2009-02-26 09:14:41 zoia JodiS: Is that some kind of lame attempt at witty banter? Whatevs. 2009-02-26 09:14:47 JodiS @sucks anarchivist rsinger 2009-02-26 09:14:49 zoia JodiS: http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/offbeat/2007/11/14/lai.gas.ghost.woio 2009-02-26 09:14:49 bess naomi: and werewolf was fantastic. I'm hooked. 2009-02-26 09:14:54 JodiS @rockssucs anarchivist rsinger 2009-02-26 09:14:54 naomi bess++ 2009-02-26 09:14:54 zoia JodiS: let me just look that up in the big red books, just a sec 2009-02-26 09:14:57 JodiS JodiS-- 2009-02-26 09:15:02 JodiS JodiS-- 2009-02-26 09:15:05 JodiS @rockssucks anarchivist rsinger 2009-02-26 09:15:07 zoia JodiS: rake gerbils:deploy 2009-02-26 09:15:08 naomi zoia: I have a big red (mac)book 2009-02-26 09:15:10 zoia naomi: CRAMBONE 2009-02-26 09:15:11 mbklein Next year's 3-camera setup: One on the speaker, one with a direct feed from the projector, and one connected to #code4lib 2009-02-26 09:15:15 anarchivist sucksrocks 2009-02-26 09:15:16 mbklein All time-syncd 2009-02-26 09:15:16 scotchko What? The Semantic Web has already changed? I has not even started yet, right? 2009-02-26 09:15:21 akorphan K9++ 2009-02-26 09:15:23 jwn raw data = information sushi 2009-02-26 09:15:28 anarchivist scotchko-- 2009-02-26 09:15:31 mikeybe Why I am not going to by a computer- Wendell Berry (food for thought): http://home.btconnect.com/tipiglen/berrynot.html 2009-02-26 09:15:31 JodiS mbklein: that would be hilarious--though I'm not sure I want this IRC feed on the web :) 2009-02-26 09:15:33 mbklein JodiS: @rate is the sucks-rocks interface 2009-02-26 09:15:35 fak3r ibm came up with the semantic web first, right? 2009-02-26 09:15:37 JodiS mbklein++ 2009-02-26 09:15:46 naomi semant w ... it's not finished yet. 2009-02-26 09:15:47 dlovins jwn++ 2009-02-26 09:15:49 kgs mbklein we're doing a poor-person's version of the whole slide-syncing thing, I agree 2009-02-26 09:15:49 akorphan fake_K9_from_ducting_and_bike_reflectors+- 2009-02-26 09:15:50 fak3r its the webantics 2009-02-26 09:15:51 scotchko thanks anarchivist :) 2009-02-26 09:15:55 kgs not that i doesn't work 2009-02-26 09:16:06 gsf mbklein: and 2 or 3 roaming the room for audience closeups 2009-02-26 09:16:06 kgs s/i/it 2009-02-26 09:16:10 mbklein kgs: We do our best. :) 2009-02-26 09:16:12 dlovins data_silos-- 2009-02-26 09:16:13 anarchivist scotchko: http://arcanux.org/lambdacats/varbl.jpg 2009-02-26 09:16:16 fak3r kgs: work, thanks for remdinding me 2009-02-26 09:16:18 mjg_ JodiS++ # I think you were nominated to become benevolent dictator last night. 2009-02-26 09:16:20 edc_mibbit @rate semantic_web web2.0 web 2009-02-26 09:16:25 zoia edc_mibbit: semantic web: 7.8; web2.0: 6.1; web: 7.7. semantic web rocks! 2009-02-26 09:16:27 JodiS mjg: crap 2009-02-26 09:16:28 JodiS JodiS hids 2009-02-26 09:16:31 JodiS JodiS hides 2009-02-26 09:16:31 BigD i'll put some thought into a poker room next year 2009-02-26 09:16:34 bess wait... it is? I mean, I'm into rdf and everything, but is it really having an effect already? I sort of think of it as something that hasn't quite happened yet. 2009-02-26 09:16:34 mbklein gsf: All wobbly, nauseating handheld work directed by JJ Abrams? 2009-02-26 09:16:34 cschx I refute it thus 2009-02-26 09:16:36 BillDueber kgs: And one on the crowd of people outside that couldn't get tickets 2009-02-26 09:16:38 anarchivist JodiS++ 2009-02-26 09:16:41 escowles data++ 2009-02-26 09:16:42 akorphan conjecture 1: IanD has never worked at a bank. 2009-02-26 09:16:45 naomi JodiS is starting to type like me. 2009-02-26 09:16:46 fak3r big old computers in the back rule 2009-02-26 09:16:52 kgs bess concur 2009-02-26 09:16:52 BigD holdem tourney or dealers choice? 2009-02-26 09:16:56 akorphan as400_emulator-- 2009-02-26 09:16:56 mbklein zoia should do a keynote 2009-02-26 09:16:57 zoia mbklein: you can buy one of those from LITA 2009-02-26 09:17:03 BillDueber bess++ # still waiting for the there to be there 2009-02-26 09:17:06 anarchivist http://arcanux.org/lambdacats/class.jpg 2009-02-26 09:17:08 mib_w5jbygqg holem tourney... cash gaem in loser's lounge 2009-02-26 09:17:14 fak3r bad languages evolve 2009-02-26 09:17:18 naomi bess: sm ... w # letters to be supplied as soon as it exists 2009-02-26 09:17:26 bess naomi++ 2009-02-26 09:17:30 jrochkind104 first time in history? 2009-02-26 09:17:33 anarchivist marc++ 2009-02-26 09:17:34 jwn automatic tape loaders are your friends 2009-02-26 09:17:44 BigD mib_w5jbygqg: cash holdem or dealer's choice (and set a /nick! :) ) 2009-02-26 09:17:51 akorphan self_sorting_punch_cards++ 2009-02-26 09:17:56 naomi bess: xcat # :-x 2009-02-26 09:18:06 royt mbklein: panizzi already did 2009-02-26 09:18:08 fak3r "I for one welcome these room sized computers" 2009-02-26 09:18:08 zoia panizzi is dead. long live panizzi! 2009-02-26 09:18:10 jwn MARC PILOT= flying librarian 2009-02-26 09:18:15 fak3r tux++ 2009-02-26 09:18:16 mjg_ panizzi++ 2009-02-26 09:18:19 mbklein @ana semantic web 2009-02-26 09:18:20 zoia mbklein: Win best came 2009-02-26 09:18:24 fak3r watch what you say about open source 2009-02-26 09:18:25 anarchivist jwn++ 2009-02-26 09:18:29 fak3r when++ 2009-02-26 09:18:29 anarchivist @hussein semantic web 2009-02-26 09:18:30 zoia anarchivist: Win mushiest absence 2009-02-26 09:18:30 naomi stuffed_animals++ 2009-02-26 09:18:39 bess open_data++ 2009-02-26 09:18:40 BigD what OS is the moose? 2009-02-26 09:18:41 gsf do you hear it, proprietary software? the death nelly? 2009-02-26 09:18:43 dlovins taxidermy++ 2009-02-26 09:18:45 akorphan soggy_tux-- 2009-02-26 09:18:46 fak3r pics_of_stuffed_animals++ 2009-02-26 09:18:50 jfereira stuffed_bacon++ 2009-02-26 09:18:52 smkiewel smkiewel needs a stuffed gnu for my desk 2009-02-26 09:18:53 fak3r un, free as in freedom 2009-02-26 09:19:02 BigD stuffed_WITH_bacon++ 2009-02-26 09:19:02 akorphan kittens++ 2009-02-26 09:19:03 BillDueber That's not a moose -- that's an Alf with horns 2009-02-26 09:19:04 anarchivist iand++ 2009-02-26 09:19:06 naomi bacon_stuffed_dead_animals++ 2009-02-26 09:19:07 lbjay gsf++ # death nelly 2009-02-26 09:19:08 fak3r ...thanks to excel 2009-02-26 09:19:09 anarchivist BillDueber++ 2009-02-26 09:19:14 edc_mibbit edc_mibbit not at all convinced open source will totally take over proprietary software 2009-02-26 09:19:14 anarchivist lbjay++ 2009-02-26 09:19:22 fak3r bullet points! 2009-02-26 09:19:22 naomi BillDueber++ 2009-02-26 09:19:25 BigD BillDueber: HA! 2009-02-26 09:19:28 bess really, this whole debate about open data drives me nuts in some ways. Open data == science. If your data isn't open then you are an alchemist. 2009-02-26 09:19:32 akorphan I think it depends on how you define structure. 2009-02-26 09:19:39 akorphan There are an awful lot of books.... 2009-02-26 09:19:40 JodiS bess: how do you preserve it 2009-02-26 09:19:40 jwn mahjong is structured data 2009-02-26 09:19:42 BillDueber He keeps using this word "structured." I do not think it means what he thinks it means. 2009-02-26 09:19:43 wtd bess++ 2009-02-26 09:19:44 naomi Conjecture 2.A: we can't figure out the structure of most of it. 2009-02-26 09:19:48 mbklein open_data++ # Someone should totally do a presentation on, say, an open, web-serviced-based, GIS infrastructure. 2009-02-26 09:19:52 epoz bess++ 2009-02-26 09:19:56 BigD bess: ever had a nonacademic job? 2009-02-26 09:19:57 rosy1280 BillDueber++ 2009-02-26 09:19:57 crikey complete sentences are structured too 2009-02-26 09:19:58 JodiS bess: bit-level preservation is not enough. we need to know how it was created, and why. and still have the utilities to interpret it 2009-02-26 09:19:58 anarchivist anarchivist is soooooooooooo glad he is not at webwise 2009-02-26 09:19:59 dlovins alchemy-- 2009-02-26 09:19:59 mbklein bess++ 2009-02-26 09:20:01 jwn billdueber++ 2009-02-26 09:20:03 bess mbklein++ ;) 2009-02-26 09:20:06 akorphan but structured data is the EASY part. 2009-02-26 09:20:07 anarchivist windows++ 2009-02-26 09:20:08 fak3r gimme noise! 2009-02-26 09:20:09 rosy1280 PrincessBride++ 2009-02-26 09:20:10 jrochkind104 those people are librarians, right? 2009-02-26 09:20:10 naomi bess: we need to know the structure or it's just noise. 2009-02-26 09:20:13 gsf fak3r: welcome to the larry lessig century 2009-02-26 09:20:14 jrochkind104 right? 2009-02-26 09:20:14 escowles are books structured? 2009-02-26 09:20:22 edsu akorphan: maybe he has worked in a bank :) 2009-02-26 09:20:23 cschx They Called For More Structure... 2009-02-26 09:20:23 fak3r yum 2009-02-26 09:20:23 naomi escowles: yes. 2009-02-26 09:20:27 gsf fak3r: no more bullets 2009-02-26 09:20:30 jwn jelly beans are structured data too 2009-02-26 09:20:36 lbjay mmm, jelly beans 2009-02-26 09:20:44 rsinger naomi: how are books more structured than 'data'? 2009-02-26 09:20:46 jrochkind104 I think the kind of 'structured' he's talking about really only applies to machine-readable data. 2009-02-26 09:20:48 mbklein JodiS: You just summed up my UVa job talk from last year. :) 2009-02-26 09:20:50 anarchivist @inatime they called for more structure, [pirate [zen]] 2009-02-26 09:20:53 bess JodiS: I don't think we're disagreeing with each other. I'm only saying that there is no reason for data not to be open. I also agree we need data preservation strategies. 2009-02-26 09:20:53 zoia Zen: There should be nothing unpleasant about nose-washing. 2009-02-26 09:20:55 BillDueber escowles: A little at a low level (chapters / paragraphs/etc). A *lot* (hopefully) at the "I'm telling a story / making an argument" level. 2009-02-26 09:20:56 naomi rsinger: I know how to parse them. 2009-02-26 09:21:02 JodiS bess: mouwd was saying: surprising that digital preservation/data preservation not covered at code4lib this year 2009-02-26 09:21:03 jwn i once had the misfortune of finding vomit flavored structured data 2009-02-26 09:21:04 rsinger naomi: oh? 2009-02-26 09:21:08 anarchivist oh, right 2009-02-26 09:21:08 mbklein JodiS: Except it took me 35 minutes to say it. 2009-02-26 09:21:10 JodiS bess: no, not disagreeing. just emphasizing! :) 2009-02-26 09:21:14 anarchivist like, you know what would be useful? 2009-02-26 09:21:14 rsinger naomi: i can hand you any book and you can parse it? 2009-02-26 09:21:16 royt jwn++ 2009-02-26 09:21:17 fak3r we need to unstructure this was 2009-02-26 09:21:17 mbklein mbklein wants jellybeans 2009-02-26 09:21:20 BillDueber I think he's confusing "structure" and "syntax with a tiny little bit of semantics on top" 2009-02-26 09:21:26 fak3r we need to unstructure this war 2009-02-26 09:21:28 naomi rsinger: sure. But give me raw data from a scientist ... and I probably won't know what the heck it is. 2009-02-26 09:21:30 anarchivist if worldcat.org showed a gmap of libraries holding a certain book 2009-02-26 09:21:33 anarchivist oh, wait 2009-02-26 09:21:33 ejk alas! earwax! 2009-02-26 09:21:36 jfereira No one expects the spanish inquisition 2009-02-26 09:21:39 rosy1280 mbklein where are the jellybeans? 2009-02-26 09:21:42 naomi rsinger: I mean I can parse it in RL> 2009-02-26 09:21:43 fak3r houses are so overpriced in RSS heights 2009-02-26 09:21:47 bess JodiS: we haven't had the GIS presentation yet. I hope Adam touches on it, but one of the reasons behind it is so we have a method for archiving GIS data at least. 2009-02-26 09:21:54 mjg_ that_graphic++ 2009-02-26 09:22:00 timmcgeary serendipity = frozen hot chocolate 2009-02-26 09:22:01 jrochkind104 To me, 'structured' just means that software can easily pull out individual elements ('facts') of interest. With 'of interest' being domain dependent of course. 2009-02-26 09:22:03 anarchivist bess++ 2009-02-26 09:22:03 JodiS bess: lots, lots, lots of business data, too. aside from science. (BigD, is that what you're alluding to?) 2009-02-26 09:22:05 rsinger naomi: so if i hand you book that's written completely in a non-latin based script -- don't tell you anything about it 2009-02-26 09:22:05 fak3r good schools in yaml, it's a bit far out though 2009-02-26 09:22:06 mbklein rosy1280: Unfortunately only on a slide on the screen. teasing_geeks-- 2009-02-26 09:22:09 rsinger naomi: what are you going to do? 2009-02-26 09:22:13 fak3r kids++ 2009-02-26 09:22:26 BigD JodiS: yep, and security/private data 2009-02-26 09:22:28 anarchivist digital_curation++ 2009-02-26 09:22:29 mbklein ejk++ 2009-02-26 09:22:31 JodiS jrochkind104: yeah, domain dependent. context REALLY impt. (social aspects of data preservation) 2009-02-26 09:22:32 rosy1280 mbklein haven't you noticed i'm all about the food...don't tease 2009-02-26 09:22:36 naomi rsinger: it probably is to be read linearly, may have a title page, a TOC, an index at the back. 2009-02-26 09:22:36 mjg_ My goal is to ruin people's lives by exposing as much of their information as possible. 2009-02-26 09:22:40 fak3r "..and the meek shall inherit the earth" (Rush, not the other guy) 2009-02-26 09:22:42 JodiS BigD: good point. that's a big deal! 2009-02-26 09:22:48 rsinger naomi: which end is the back? 2009-02-26 09:22:51 anarchivist mjg_: you're like the inverse CIA 2009-02-26 09:22:52 mjg_ and I'm starting with all of you. 2009-02-26 09:22:55 jtgorman jtgorman tries to remember if he's on his first or second cup of tea 2009-02-26 09:23:06 abarrera mjg_: thank god you don't work for the government 2009-02-26 09:23:07 anarchivist oooh 2009-02-26 09:23:09 abarrera oh crap 2009-02-26 09:23:09 lbjay i'm gonna tear up 2009-02-26 09:23:10 BillDueber jtgorman: If you're not awake enough to remember, it's your first. 2009-02-26 09:23:10 mjg_ gsf: so, hey, what's this about pessimism? ... 2009-02-26 09:23:12 gsf anarchivist: not you 2009-02-26 09:23:14 escowles i don't think books are structured in the sense that the facts contained in them can be reused 2009-02-26 09:23:14 naomi rsinger: I can probably tell by page numbers and other pages mentioned. 2009-02-26 09:23:17 mbklein rosy1280: I wish I had picked up 3 or 4 more of those carrot-cake-cream-cheese things from yesterday's lunch. 2009-02-26 09:23:18 JodiS BigD: you're at UCSD, right? Still a lot going on there with data preservation, even without DICE, I'd bet... maybe you can drag somebody to code4lib10 to talk about data preservation? 2009-02-26 09:23:26 rsinger naomi: i guess my point it is -- i was looking for an arabic/english dictionary at the used book store a couple of weeks ago 2009-02-26 09:23:28 naomi rsinger: there are of course some books I can't figure out 2009-02-26 09:23:31 anarchivist Not Ross TM 2009-02-26 09:23:34 edsu need to use it, more than protect it imho 2009-02-26 09:23:36 fak3r fav example of structured data: usernames and passwords exposed on the web via a misplaced x-cel spreadsheet 2009-02-26 09:23:41 BigD mjg_: just knowing you ruins my life 2009-02-26 09:23:43 rosy1280 mbklein they were quite good but the frosting to cake ratio was off 2009-02-26 09:23:48 rsinger naomi: and i was in a section of books that 2009-02-26 09:23:48 naomi rsinger: but there is a TON of data I can't figure out that is missing sufficient metadata to be re-used. 2009-02-26 09:23:50 anarchivist JodiS: BigD was trying to convince bradw to give a talk on some stuff 2009-02-26 09:23:50 jwn something like a digital trojan? 2009-02-26 09:23:50 epoz movage over storage 2009-02-26 09:23:54 mbklein rosy1280: in which direction? 2009-02-26 09:23:55 anarchivist jwn-- 2009-02-26 09:23:56 fak3r lockss 2009-02-26 09:23:57 JodiS bess: cool, will be interested to see Adam's talk. haven't chatted him up yet... 2009-02-26 09:23:58 rsinger naomi: 1) i had no idea what language they were in 2009-02-26 09:24:09 rsinger naomi: 2) had no idea which side was the front 2009-02-26 09:24:10 fak3r aw nuts! 2009-02-26 09:24:17 rosy1280 mbklein too much frosting...but they may have just been mine 2009-02-26 09:24:18 mbklein ROSS DOESN'T CARE ABOUT YOUR PETTY PROBLEMS 2009-02-26 09:24:24 anarchivist JodiS: http://chronopolis.sdsc.edu/ 2009-02-26 09:24:24 BillDueber So...he wants to feed squirrel? 2009-02-26 09:24:25 gsf mjg_: the potentially unhealthy pessimism characteristic demonstrated by certain corners of the code4lib community? 2009-02-26 09:24:29 fak3r squirrels++ 2009-02-26 09:24:30 BigD JodiS: i talk about data preservation :) 2009-02-26 09:24:31 mbklein anarchivist: Oh crap, now I'm doing it. 2009-02-26 09:24:37 anarchivist mbklein++ 2009-02-26 09:24:39 timmcgeary squirrels-- 2009-02-26 09:24:51 timmcgeary they dig up my yard 2009-02-26 09:24:52 fak3r tear down the walls, yo 2009-02-26 09:24:53 escowles squirrels-- # eat strawberries 2009-02-26 09:24:56 anarchivist the national archives of the uk are doing some really fucking cool shit 2009-02-26 09:24:59 rsinger moles-- 2009-02-26 09:25:02 jwn provide = acorn, enable = pecan 2009-02-26 09:25:05 rsinger my house is sinking 2009-02-26 09:25:06 naomi rsinger: but the key to how to figure it out didn't reside with one or two people in the world, as it often does with datasets. 2009-02-26 09:25:07 fak3r strawberries++ 2009-02-26 09:25:14 dlovins squirrels++ # inadvertantly plant oak trees 2009-02-26 09:25:15 lbjay @wordstats fuck 2009-02-26 09:25:15 zoia lbjay: Top 3 "fuck"ers (out of a total of 177 "fuck"s seen): edsu: 42, mjgiarlo: 29, and jrochkind: 29. You are ranked 4 out of 43 "fuck"ers with 17 "fuck"s. 2009-02-26 09:25:17 fak3r strawberry_jelly_beans-- 2009-02-26 09:25:20 escowles squirrels-- # daughter wants to use flamethrowers to keep them out of strawberries 2009-02-26 09:25:23 rosy1280 did anyone hear about how the national zoo release canadian squirrels into the wild of dc 2009-02-26 09:25:23 akorphan akorphan thinks about hypothetical ways to subvert LOCKSS 2009-02-26 09:25:26 lbjay 4th! 2009-02-26 09:25:26 royt dlovins++ 2009-02-26 09:25:26 MrDys popcorn_jelly_beans++ 2009-02-26 09:25:31 jtgorman jtgorman had a sudden image of a sculpture that has the BSD Daemon, Tux, the Gnu fighting like crazy while Zippy walks away laughing with an armload of cash 2009-02-26 09:25:32 BillDueber They've frozen Han and all his letters in carbonite! 2009-02-26 09:25:36 rsinger naomi: i think it's the IPA that's arguing, not me 2009-02-26 09:25:38 JodiS BigD: you can't arm-wrestle bradw to the ground? try harder next year! 2009-02-26 09:25:41 gsf rsinger: you still live in that sinking house? 2009-02-26 09:25:44 timmcgeary jumping_waves++ 2009-02-26 09:25:49 BigD we'll get bradw to talk next year 2009-02-26 09:25:51 mjg_ gsf++ 2009-02-26 09:25:56 anarchivist ROSS DOESN'T LIVE HERE ANYMORE 2009-02-26 09:25:57 royt the meaning of these pictures is lost on me 2009-02-26 09:25:58 fak3r dietpoison? 2009-02-26 09:25:59 rsinger gsf: yeah -- damn moles 2009-02-26 09:26:03 jfereira code4lib_on_a_beach++ 2009-02-26 09:26:03 JodiS BigD: yeah, but when did we last hear your voice from the podium? 2009-02-26 09:26:09 naomi rsinger: no worries. I'm in favor of open, preserved data. I just don't think we have a good way to get adequate metadata, at this time. 2009-02-26 09:26:12 BillDueber unambiguous_rights++ 2009-02-26 09:26:16 timmcgeary rsinger: you need dynamite 2009-02-26 09:26:20 crikey they jumping out of water becaue of sharks? 2009-02-26 09:26:28 akorphan properly_expiring_copyrights++ 2009-02-26 09:26:31 jfereira red ocean 2009-02-26 09:26:31 mbklein crikey: with frickin' laser beams on their heads 2009-02-26 09:26:32 fak3r hot water, jump! 2009-02-26 09:26:34 jtgorman did BeOS have a mascot? 2009-02-26 09:26:36 akorphan sonny_bono-- 2009-02-26 09:26:38 rsinger timmcgeary: good idea 2009-02-26 09:26:38 timmcgeary rsinger: and then a good contractor to re-build your house 2009-02-26 09:26:38 naomi jelly_fish-- 2009-02-26 09:26:40 escowles shouldn't i have a pony? 2009-02-26 09:26:43 fak3r pirate bay keeps data free 2009-02-26 09:26:48 dlovins ++crikey 2009-02-26 09:26:48 jwn he must not use edison power 2009-02-26 09:26:49 pmurray @wordstats ++ 2009-02-26 09:26:49 zoia pmurray: Error: "++" doesn't look like a word I'm keeping stats on or a user in my database. 2009-02-26 09:26:54 escowles piratebay++ 2009-02-26 09:26:54 fak3r always there data++ 2009-02-26 09:27:00 mbklein jtgorman: Yeah, a picture of a guy switching back to OS X 2009-02-26 09:27:03 BigD squirrels are evil. some of them. 2009-02-26 09:27:03 JodiS naomi: Jerry McDonough looks at preservation MOSTLY as a metadata issue 2009-02-26 09:27:06 anarchivist escowles: http://www.djangopony.com/ 2009-02-26 09:27:11 BillDueber rural_electrification++ 2009-02-26 09:27:11 rosy1280 black squirrels in washington dc http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/05/18/AR2005051802251.html 2009-02-26 09:27:14 zoia And don't get me started about metadata! 2009-02-26 09:27:16 fak3r beos++ 2009-02-26 09:27:21 akorphan rural_electrocution-- 2009-02-26 09:27:26 BigD JodiS: he keeps a lot of strength in his over-the-shoulder-sweater 2009-02-26 09:27:28 pmurray @wordstats 2009-02-26 09:27:29 zoia pmurray: I am currently keeping stats for 996, acid, ahh, anvil, ass, asshats, bacon, beer, bitchpants, blame, cock-up, coffee, craptastic, dude, duh, equifinality, fail, ferret, flocculat, font, frbr, freebase, fuck, gin, groan, hai, hangman, hate, heh, help, hussein, indeed, indifferent, java, journal, jrochkindian, librarial, lipstick, lol, love, mah, man, marc, metadata, mf, mock, morno, mornos, moron, motherfucker, murder, (1 more message) 2009-02-26 09:27:38 pmurray @wordstats add ++ 2009-02-26 09:27:38 zoia pmurray: Error: must not contain non-alphanumeric chars. 2009-02-26 09:27:39 fak3r beos was ahead of Mac/Win/Linux - years ahead 2009-02-26 09:27:39 jrochkind104 tribe friends? 2009-02-26 09:27:46 anarchivist @dunno search facebook 2009-02-26 09:27:46 zoia anarchivist: 2 found: #35: "What This World Needs Is A Facebook App To..." and #55: "http://lolthulhu.com/2007/10/23/my-facebook-..." 2009-02-26 09:27:47 JodiS privacy++ 2009-02-26 09:27:48 pmurray zoia: Bah! 2009-02-26 09:27:49 zoia pmurray: http://idisk.mac.com/michaelbklein/Public/Pictures/Skitch/lolroyt-20080702-144936.jpg 2009-02-26 09:27:50 fak3r FB slam! 2009-02-26 09:27:51 gsf better metadata through chemistry 2009-02-26 09:27:57 anarchivist @quote search facebook 2009-02-26 09:27:58 royt tribe.net, left it long ago 2009-02-26 09:27:59 zoia anarchivist: 1 found: #1285: " facebook is really surfing the wave of..." 2009-02-26 09:28:00 JodiS LOCKSS++ #talking about the economic issues of preservation 2009-02-26 09:28:00 jwn exponential_baloons++ 2009-02-26 09:28:05 anarchivist @quote get 1285 2009-02-26 09:28:06 zoia anarchivist: Quote #1285: " facebook is really surfing the wave of computational creepiness" (added by ksclarke at 05:12 PM, March 26, 2008) 2009-02-26 09:28:15 fak3r slided the foaf 2009-02-26 09:28:21 BigD JodiS: i'm the man behind the man. behind the other man. (softball for abarrera) 2009-02-26 09:28:28 JodiS properly_expiring_copyrights++ 2009-02-26 09:28:31 crikey exponential growth of technology is reminiscent of Krtuzweil 2009-02-26 09:28:42 fak3r my_foaf.rdf (DJ Shadow remix '99) 2009-02-26 09:28:44 timmcgeary Kurtzweil++ 2009-02-26 09:28:51 rsinger @ana computational creepiness 2009-02-26 09:28:52 zoia rsinger: Pretentious complaisance 2009-02-26 09:28:54 fak3r legal frameworks? overratted 2009-02-26 09:29:01 BillDueber legal frameworks change slowly for a lot of very good reasons 2009-02-26 09:29:10 fak3r overratted? yeah, that's what I meant, too many ratts. 2009-02-26 09:29:12 crikey in the future there will be robots 2009-02-26 09:29:19 escowles @sing ratt 2009-02-26 09:29:22 zoia That all is true / A diamond on the loose / We'll make your noose / Ratt madness 2009-02-26 09:29:25 naomi BillDueber: and some not very good reasons. 2009-02-26 09:29:29 akorphan IN THE GRIM FUTURE OF HELLO KITTY THERE IS ONLY WAR 2009-02-26 09:29:35 JodiS networks_of_trust++ 2009-02-26 09:29:35 mbklein @sing fergie : my foaf 2009-02-26 09:29:36 fak3r crikey: and howard johnson hotels in the sky 2009-02-26 09:29:38 BillDueber crikey: ...and everyone will wear silver bodysuits, and there will be a lot of chrome. 2009-02-26 09:29:38 zoia mbklein: No lyrics for my foaf by fergie. Searched lyricwiki & lyricsty 2009-02-26 09:29:41 rosy1280 i really love english accents 2009-02-26 09:29:43 escowles shouting-- 2009-02-26 09:29:56 jwn maybe we need a new executive order to change the intelectual property problem 2009-02-26 09:30:02 gsf @sing meatfoaf 2009-02-26 09:30:03 zoia gsf: No songs found by meatfoaf 2009-02-26 09:30:04 jbrinley @known iand 2009-02-26 09:30:04 BillDueber english_accent => intelligence += 40 2009-02-26 09:30:05 zoia jbrinley: I don't know iand's URI 2009-02-26 09:30:08 mjg_ anarchivist: you type smart. 2009-02-26 09:30:15 cschx The little dead girl behind the rosebush has come back to life? 2009-02-26 09:30:15 edsu @quote add < akorphan> IN THE GRIM FUTURE OF HELLO KITTY THERE IS ONLY WAR 2009-02-26 09:30:16 zoia edsu: The operation succeeded. Quote #1764 added. 2009-02-26 09:30:16 anarchivist mjg_: twss 2009-02-26 09:30:20 mbklein rosy1280: English accents, jellybeans, and a lower frosting-to-cake ratio. Anything else we need to know? 2009-02-26 09:30:21 ejk BillDueber++ 2009-02-26 09:30:22 fak3r fazebook 2009-02-26 09:30:23 pmurray @knows pmurray 2009-02-26 09:30:24 zoia pmurray: (knows ) -- Determines if the two given nicks know each other based on their registered FOAFs. 2009-02-26 09:30:25 JodiS BigD++ # http://chronopolis.sdsc.edu/ 2009-02-26 09:30:26 akorphan edsu: I can't take credit for that one... 2009-02-26 09:30:30 gsf phasebook 2009-02-26 09:30:32 pmurray @know pmurray 2009-02-26 09:30:32 zoia pmurray: (know [] ) -- Associates the given URI with the given nick. If the nick already has a URI, it will be forgotten. Defaults to the calling user. 2009-02-26 09:30:34 mjg_ meatfoaf++ 2009-02-26 09:30:34 mbklein @foaf pmurray knows 2009-02-26 09:30:36 zoia mbklein: pmurray : "cwQaxxQq3397", , , , , , , , , , (1 more message) 2009-02-26 09:30:36 fak3r twitter comment: someone just mentioned twitter! 2009-02-26 09:30:39 rosy1280 mbklein australian accents 2009-02-26 09:30:41 pmurray mbklein++ 2009-02-26 09:30:44 naomi phaserbook 2009-02-26 09:30:48 anarchivist I AM SO TWEETING THIS 2009-02-26 09:30:53 mbklein @knows pmurray mbklein 2009-02-26 09:30:54 zoia mbklein: An error has occurred and has been logged. Please contact this bot's administrator for more information. 2009-02-26 09:30:59 jrochkind104 give it away now, sez me. 2009-02-26 09:31:00 pmurray Whoops. 2009-02-26 09:31:05 mbklein @knows mbklein mjg_ 2009-02-26 09:31:07 BigD you took the words right out of my mouth / it must have been while you were kissing me 2009-02-26 09:31:07 zoia mbklein: An error has occurred and has been logged. Please contact this bot's administrator for more information. 2009-02-26 09:31:07 rosy1280 they already have that 2009-02-26 09:31:07 JodiS jwn: negative economic impact (imputed at least) means copyright exec order is an unachieveable norm 2009-02-26 09:31:09 akorphan creepy-- 2009-02-26 09:31:10 fak3r @foaf fak3r depiction 2009-02-26 09:31:11 zoia fak3r: fak3r : 2009-02-26 09:31:12 rosy1280 does he know that 2009-02-26 09:31:23 BigD ian's a stalker! 2009-02-26 09:31:27 rosy1280 google has a think where you can keep track of your friends 2009-02-26 09:31:27 naomi Sally Ann is actually a 50 year old man 2009-02-26 09:31:34 akorphan naomi++ 2009-02-26 09:31:37 mjg_ @knows Sally_Ann 2009-02-26 09:31:38 zoia mjg_: (knows ) -- Determines if the two given nicks know each other based on their registered FOAFs. 2009-02-26 09:31:38 BigD mpark: get that address? 2009-02-26 09:31:41 dlovins naomi++ 2009-02-26 09:31:43 anarchivist Sally Ann is actually BigD 2009-02-26 09:31:43 rosy1280 when someone tweets from their iphone you can know their exact lat and long 2009-02-26 09:31:44 mbklein @known pmurray 2009-02-26 09:31:45 zoia mbklein: pmurray's URI is 2009-02-26 09:31:45 jrochkind104 He looks good for 50. 2009-02-26 09:31:46 ejk googlestalk 2009-02-26 09:31:49 royt what?!? Information doesn't want to be free? 2009-02-26 09:31:50 mbklein @known mbklein 2009-02-26 09:31:50 zoia mbklein: mbklein's URI is 2009-02-26 09:31:51 kat3 http://blog.wired.com/business/2008/12/facebook-connec.html 2009-02-26 09:31:55 mpark BigD: got it! 2009-02-26 09:31:57 fak3r evolution++ 2009-02-26 09:31:58 lbjay closing? he's got 15 minutes left 2009-02-26 09:32:01 mikeybe scary picture 2009-02-26 09:32:02 gsf jrochkind104++ 2009-02-26 09:32:03 BillDueber @sing Carpenters : we've only just begun 2009-02-26 09:32:05 zoia We've only just begun to live / White lace and promises / A kiss for luck and we're on our way / We've only begun 2009-02-26 09:32:06 escowles devolution++ 2009-02-26 09:32:07 smkiewel graphic++ 2009-02-26 09:32:12 crikey evolution++ devolution+++++ 2009-02-26 09:32:14 anarchivist mikeybe: made me improve my posture just now 2009-02-26 09:32:17 gsf lbjay: time to work 2009-02-26 09:32:22 jrochkind104 I want to be the guy in the middle. 2009-02-26 09:32:23 akorphan Sally Ann lives above Benefit St. Antiques. 2009-02-26 09:32:32 jfereira @sing devo 2009-02-26 09:32:34 zoia (instrumental) 2009-02-26 09:32:35 naomi break++ 2009-02-26 09:32:36 kgs jrochkind104 sure it's a guy? 2009-02-26 09:32:37 steambadger How far above? 2009-02-26 09:32:49 BigD RUMF? 2009-02-26 09:32:51 crikey is that guy holding a pool simmer? 2009-02-26 09:32:51 escowles @sing devo beautiful world 2009-02-26 09:32:53 zoia escowles: No songs found by devo beautiful world 2009-02-26 09:32:57 jfereira once again, no pants 2009-02-26 09:32:59 fak3r @sing devo : explosions 2009-02-26 09:33:01 zoia WE LIKE EXPLOSIONS THAT LEAVE YOU FEELING GOOD / WE LIKE IDEAS THAT CHANGE THE WORLD FOR GOOD / THERE'S NOTHING PAST THE STOP 'N' GO / THERE'S NOTHING BUT THE EBB AND FLOW 2009-02-26 09:33:01 BillDueber steambadger: lack_of_z_coordinates-- 2009-02-26 09:33:06 mbklein @knows pmurray mjg_ 2009-02-26 09:33:07 zoia mbklein: An error has occurred and has been logged. Please contact this bot's administrator for more information. 2009-02-26 09:33:12 abarrera no doubt that last guy is looking at pr0n 2009-02-26 09:33:18 mikeybe Question: is all of the human effort to create this information worth the output of links between them in the end? 2009-02-26 09:33:18 rsinger @dunno search PLATFORMS 2009-02-26 09:33:19 zoia rsinger: 1 found: #303: "HOW MANY PLATFORMS CAN I PUT YOU DOWN FOR?" 2009-02-26 09:33:29 BigD will you love me forever? 2009-02-26 09:33:30 pmurray @knows pmurray zoia 2009-02-26 09:33:32 zoia pmurray: An error has occurred and has been logged. Please contact this bot's administrator for more information. 2009-02-26 09:33:37 edsu fak3r++ 2009-02-26 09:33:38 pmurray @knows mjg_ zoia 2009-02-26 09:33:40 zoia pmurray: An error has occurred and has been logged. Please contact this bot's administrator for more information. 2009-02-26 09:33:40 BigD jrochkind104: aw yeah 2009-02-26 09:33:54 BigD BigD sets you all free 2009-02-26 09:33:55 jbrinley mikeybe: it is if we can automate the creation of much of that data 2009-02-26 09:33:56 jrochkind104 Anyone want to use my accordion? 2009-02-26 09:34:05 akorphan you getting this, camera guy? 2009-02-26 09:34:07 BillDueber jrochkind104: Is that a pickup line? 2009-02-26 09:34:08 rsinger jrochkind104: right now? 2009-02-26 09:34:12 naomi I'm setting anarchivist free. 2009-02-26 09:34:12 jbrinley jbrinley needs to learn the accordion 2009-02-26 09:34:12 pmurray Perhaps there is something wrong with @knows 2009-02-26 09:34:12 BigD except abarrera and mjg 2009-02-26 09:34:15 fak3r change teh world 2009-02-26 09:34:15 mjg_ Two song titles in one keynote title. \m/ 2009-02-26 09:34:19 fak3r coffee the world 2009-02-26 09:34:29 miker_ Ian took the red pill 2009-02-26 09:34:31 jbrinley @knows zoia mjgiarlo 2009-02-26 09:34:31 zoia jbrinley: I don't know mjgiarlo's URI 2009-02-26 09:34:38 jbrinley @known mjg_ 2009-02-26 09:34:38 zoia jbrinley: mjg_'s URI is 2009-02-26 09:34:39 mjg_ ecorrado is just up there telling a story 2009-02-26 09:34:41 JodiS ecorrado++ 2009-02-26 09:34:44 fak3r is that iand? 2009-02-26 09:34:49 jbrinley @knows zoia mjg_ 2009-02-26 09:34:51 zoia jbrinley: An error has occurred and has been logged. Please contact this bot's administrator for more information. 2009-02-26 09:35:01 fak3r modern_people-- 2009-02-26 09:35:03 naomi "modern people"? 2009-02-26 09:35:09 jbrinley pmurray: clearly something wrong 2009-02-26 09:35:12 mikeybe good question 2009-02-26 09:35:13 jrochkind104 bah, i'm not buying it. 2009-02-26 09:35:13 akorphan @sing david bowie : modern love 2009-02-26 09:35:16 zoia I'm lying in the rain / But I never wave bye-bye / But I try, I try / Never gonna fall for (modern love) 2009-02-26 09:35:17 anarchivist @lolz [sing pulp : common people] 2009-02-26 09:35:19 zoia anarchivist: How I want a drink, alcoholic of course, after all those formulas involving tangent functions. 2009-02-26 09:35:21 JodiS fak3r: thanks, easier to parse than your twitter jpg 2009-02-26 09:35:22 crikey corrado's accent almost as exotic as Ian's 2009-02-26 09:35:28 anarchivist @sing pulp : common people 2009-02-26 09:35:29 zoia I said, "Well, in that case I'll have a rum and Coca-Cola" / She said, "Fine" / And then in thirty seconds' time, she said / "I want to live like common people 2009-02-26 09:35:30 mjg_ modern people == everyone but royt 2009-02-26 09:35:31 rosy1280 Google Latitude allows you to stalk your friends http://googlemobile.blogspot.com/2009/02/locate-your-friends-in-real-time-with.html 2009-02-26 09:35:32 BigD crikey++ 2009-02-26 09:35:33 fak3r can't we just "liberate" these other cultures? (I'm joking) 2009-02-26 09:35:45 BillDueber @sing america : lonely people 2009-02-26 09:35:46 zoia This is for all the lonely people / Thinking that life has passed them by / Don't give up until you drink from the silver cup / And ride that highway in the sky 2009-02-26 09:35:50 mjg_ fak3r++ # *snort* 2009-02-26 09:35:55 rsinger so primitive... fashioning crude tools in his treehouse 2009-02-26 09:36:06 BillDueber Step one: teach them all to speak American. 2009-02-26 09:36:11 jrochkind104 in any and every culture, those who can benefit by controlling the information want to do so. 2009-02-26 09:36:12 fak3r BillDueber: right! 2009-02-26 09:36:20 JodiS mikeybe: "Question: is all of the human effort to create this information worth the output of links between them in the end?" --interesting. The effort should be a byproduct of something else, IMO 2009-02-26 09:36:24 fak3r BillDueber: 2: open the box 2009-02-26 09:36:47 crikey @sing leonard cohen : the future 2009-02-26 09:36:49 zoia and stuff it up the hole in your culture. / Give me back the Berlin Wall / give me Stalin and St Paul / I've seen the future, brother: it is murder. 2009-02-26 09:36:53 dchud movage 2009-02-26 09:36:54 lbjay JodiS: i'm also looking for a good pic of asheville 2009-02-26 09:37:02 dchud "moveage" ? 2009-02-26 09:37:02 BigD what's in the box? 2009-02-26 09:37:19 JodiS lbjay: besides the one at http://digital.library.appstate.edu/code4lib2010.html ? 2009-02-26 09:37:37 pmurray @host2010 2009-02-26 09:37:38 zoia pmurray: RIGHTEOUS PAISLEY DEATH 2009-02-26 09:37:41 lbjay JodiS++ # didn't look there 2009-02-26 09:37:43 pmurray @hosts2010 2009-02-26 09:37:44 zoia pmurray: Asheville, NC [286]; Austin, TX [277]; Madison, WI [208]; Columbus, OH [155]; Bloomington, IN [118] 2009-02-26 09:37:53 fak3r we need to also look at sharing/exposing data over proxies or things like the tor network 2009-02-26 09:37:57 jtgorman wow 2009-02-26 09:37:57 fak3r vote austin! oh 2009-02-26 09:38:04 pmurray Ker-SLAM! 2009-02-26 09:38:06 fak3r door slam! 2009-02-26 09:38:10 lbjay lazy_web++ lazy_lbjay-- 2009-02-26 09:38:11 escowles @hosts2011 2009-02-26 09:38:12 zoia escowles: Hicksville, Ohio [81]; Koopa, Colorado [56]; Panic, Pennsylvania [52]; Fifty-Six, Arkansas [8]; Hooker, Oklahoma [4] 2009-02-26 09:38:13 mikeybe I think putting information at the center of anthropological explanations needs to be justified...im not convinced that this is the central message of humanity (but I might be wrong) 2009-02-26 09:38:19 akorphan chocolate_fetish++ 2009-02-26 09:38:21 fak3r I didn't think that command would work ;) 2009-02-26 09:38:27 akorphan ow. 2009-02-26 09:38:28 harmless mikeybe: it's not about adding a bunch of information, more links, tags, whatnot. it's about leaving that option open to anyone who might happen to feel like doing it if they see value in it. 2009-02-26 09:38:29 anarchivist "like metamucil for your digital repository" 2009-02-26 09:38:32 rsinger_ bugger 2009-02-26 09:38:44 BigD rsinger_ maybe later 2009-02-26 09:39:04 lbjay meamucil for your metacrap? 2009-02-26 09:39:07 naomi ibahn-- 2009-02-26 09:39:09 lbjay bah 2009-02-26 09:39:11 BigD birkin's back. everyone behave. 2009-02-26 09:39:14 anarchivist metamucil4metadata 2009-02-26 09:39:23 fak3r society-- 2009-02-26 09:39:37 akorphan man, all this data management would be so much easier if it weren't for all the damn society. 2009-02-26 09:39:50 BillDueber reboot-- # who just went "Bong"? 2009-02-26 09:39:57 akorphan break++ 2009-02-26 09:40:00 pmurray Flush it out, flush it out, WA-A-A-A-A-AY out! 2009-02-26 09:40:12 royt go ecorrado 2009-02-26 09:40:22 abarrera_ mibbit died 2009-02-26 09:40:22 mbklein emcee FAIL 2009-02-26 09:40:23 zoia ΓΘλΞ 2009-02-26 09:40:24 akorphan whoa! 2009-02-26 09:40:26 ejk mibbit massacre 2009-02-26 09:40:26 steambadger whoa. 2009-02-26 09:40:27 BigD lbjay's stoned 2009-02-26 09:40:39 rosy1280 lbjay never knows what's going on 2009-02-26 09:40:42 BillDueber Thank god all the riffraff finally left. 2009-02-26 09:40:46 BillDueber Oops, they're back. 2009-02-26 09:40:50 abarrera_ errr whats the kill command for a dead nick? 2009-02-26 09:40:52 pmurray With all of these comings and goings, I may need to turn off the sound effects on my IRC client. 2009-02-26 09:40:54 BigD BillDueber: i'm still here. 2009-02-26 09:40:55 naomi incorrect_break_announcements++ 2009-02-26 09:40:56 edsu lbjay++ # keepin' it real 2009-02-26 09:40:57 akorphan wait, are we breaking or not? 2009-02-26 09:40:59 royt BillDueber++ 2009-02-26 09:41:02 mbklein BillDueber: Nah, you're back. :) 2009-02-26 09:41:04 fak3r @sign mudhoney : touch me I'm sick 2009-02-26 09:41:06 zoia fak3r: the grass really is greener on the other side &cough; &cough; &cough; 2009-02-26 09:41:07 BigD abarrera ghost 2009-02-26 09:41:07 gsf abarrera_: /msg nickserv ghost nick pass 2009-02-26 09:41:07 royt akorphan: only you 2009-02-26 09:41:08 anarchivist BREAK YOSELF 2009-02-26 09:41:10 rsinger_ chaos++ 2009-02-26 09:41:11 BillDueber BigD: You're only "raff". You're only halfway there. 2009-02-26 09:41:14 fak3r sign? 2009-02-26 09:41:17 mjg_ lbjay is workin for the weekend cuz goodness knows he's not workin now. 2009-02-26 09:41:17 wickr ibahn-- 2009-02-26 09:41:18 timmcgeary dead_air++ 2009-02-26 09:41:21 fak3r @sing mudhoney : touch me I'm sick 2009-02-26 09:41:23 zoia I'm a creep yeah / I'm a jerk / Come on! / Touch Me I'm Sick! 2009-02-26 09:41:25 lbjay mjg_++ 2009-02-26 09:41:31 escowles @karma ibahn 2009-02-26 09:41:31 zoia escowles: Karma for "ibahn" has been increased 1 time and decreased 29 times for a total karma of -28. 2009-02-26 09:41:33 edsu mjg_++ 2009-02-26 09:41:33 abarrera_ gsf++ thanks 2009-02-26 09:41:36 fak3r simple, easy, to the point 2009-02-26 09:41:46 akorphan COME ON ENTROPY MACHINE 2009-02-26 09:41:46 mbklein mbklein just ran the first successful test of his Port 80 Pulse Destructor. Mwahahahahhaha! Mibbit is MINE! 2009-02-26 09:41:48 pmurray I'm breaking -- it is time for a Krispy Kreme doughnut. I don't know about the rest of y'all... 2009-02-26 09:41:49 fak3r screen rez 2009-02-26 09:42:00 gsf abarrera: at your service, lover boy 2009-02-26 09:42:04 mjg_ Jay_"Boy"_Luker++ # for emceeing 2009-02-26 09:42:06 akorphan pmurray: Isn't the nearest Krispy Kreme in Cranston? 2009-02-26 09:42:14 abarrera gsf: shhh John Goodman will get jealous 2009-02-26 09:42:15 mbklein @reload FOAF 2009-02-26 09:42:16 zoia mbklein: The operation succeeded. 2009-02-26 09:42:20 mbklein crickets++ 2009-02-26 09:42:26 timmcgeary crickets++ 2009-02-26 09:42:26 ejk crickets++ 2009-02-26 09:42:26 fak3r crickets++ 2009-02-26 09:42:27 jbrinley crickets++ 2009-02-26 09:42:27 mjg_ crickets++ 2009-02-26 09:42:28 lbjay crickets++ 2009-02-26 09:42:28 BillDueber crickets++ 2009-02-26 09:42:31 abarrera crickets++ 2009-02-26 09:42:32 mjg_ REVENGE 2009-02-26 09:42:35 fak3r wow, big ups for crickets 2009-02-26 09:42:36 jbrinley @karma crickets 2009-02-26 09:42:36 zoia jbrinley: Karma for "crickets" has been increased 10 times and decreased 1 time for a total karma of 9. 2009-02-26 09:42:37 pmurray akorphan: Sorry to tease -- I'm in my office in Ohio, and there is a Krispy Kreme right next door at the Speeday. 2009-02-26 09:42:37 mbklein @knows mbklein pmurray 2009-02-26 09:42:38 escowles buddy_holly+ 2009-02-26 09:42:39 zoia mbklein: mbklein and pmurray do not know each other 2009-02-26 09:42:39 akorphan 3_minutes_31_seconds++ 2009-02-26 09:42:51 rsinger_ could someone please advise if a mr. singer can be found at this residence? 2009-02-26 09:42:53 pmurray mbklein++ # Fixing @knows 2009-02-26 09:43:02 BillDueber @sing buddy holly : everyday 2009-02-26 09:43:04 zoia Everyday, it's a gettin' closer / Goin' faster than a roller coaster / Love like yours will surely come my way / A-hey, a-hey hey 2009-02-26 09:43:05 naomi ohio-- 2009-02-26 09:43:09 mjg_ ... wait for it? 2009-02-26 09:43:12 abarrera did he say sex-libris? 2009-02-26 09:43:26 akorphan pmurray: You remote types. 2009-02-26 09:43:27 MrDys- | libarians 2009-02-26 09:43:31 BillDueber Someday ex-libris will be my ex-vendor 2009-02-26 09:43:32 fak3r lib4coders 2009-02-26 09:43:34 naomi abarrera: go grow hair on the backs of your hands. 2009-02-26 09:43:35 rosy1280 ex_exlibrians++ 2009-02-26 09:43:42 mbklein @sing weezer : buddy holly 2009-02-26 09:43:43 pmurray naomi: Hey -- if y'all ain't votin' to bring Code4Lib here next year, none of y'alls get Krispy Kreme doughnuts. 2009-02-26 09:43:45 zoia Woo-hoo, but you know I'm yours / Woo-hoo, and I know you're mine / Woo-hoo, and that's for all time / Oo-ee-oo, I look just like Buddy Holly 2009-02-26 09:43:45 mjg_ south_jersey represent. 2009-02-26 09:43:48 pmurray :-) 2009-02-26 09:43:52 royt are OPACs ever shiny? 2009-02-26 09:43:53 fak3r vendor-- 2009-02-26 09:43:53 akorphan Awesome how OCLC is all "Hey, we're so open." Except for not so much. 2009-02-26 09:43:54 abarrera naomi++ 2009-02-26 09:43:54 timmcgeary that's definitely better than sex-vendor 2009-02-26 09:43:55 lbjay "Don't call me a company. Just call me." 2009-02-26 09:43:56 ejk mgoblue 2009-02-26 09:43:57 fak3r changes++ 2009-02-26 09:43:58 BigD pmurray has a hover chair take him to Krispy Kreme 2009-02-26 09:44:01 naomi pmurray: my arteries will be happy. 2009-02-26 09:44:02 abarrera south_jersey++ 2009-02-26 09:44:04 gsf anarchivist: wake up 2009-02-26 09:44:07 fak3r badger++ 2009-02-26 09:44:07 edsu badger++ 2009-02-26 09:44:07 akorphan badger++ 2009-02-26 09:44:11 rsinger_ badgers++ 2009-02-26 09:44:11 escowles badger badger badger badger mushrooms! 2009-02-26 09:44:21 mbklein SNAKE! SNAKE! 2009-02-26 09:44:21 timmcgeary macgruber++ 2009-02-26 09:44:22 fak3r photoshop skills-- 2009-02-26 09:44:25 mjg_ are there badgers in south jersey? 2009-02-26 09:44:27 rosy1280 macgyver++ 2009-02-26 09:44:27 edsu and a missile! 2009-02-26 09:44:27 ejk pepsuber 2009-02-26 09:44:27 wickr ecorrado++ 2009-02-26 09:44:33 codemonkey slideshow++ 2009-02-26 09:44:38 naomi people like BESS 2009-02-26 09:44:41 naomi bess++ 2009-02-26 09:44:41 timmcgeary asnagy++ 2009-02-26 09:44:44 mbklein bess++ 2009-02-26 09:44:46 timmcgeary nagg-EE 2009-02-26 09:44:46 rosy1280 bess++ 2009-02-26 09:44:48 mbklein asnagy++ 2009-02-26 09:44:49 akorphan nooj++ 2009-02-26 09:44:49 dlovins asnagy++ 2009-02-26 09:44:51 royt andrew "naggy"? 2009-02-26 09:44:51 timmcgeary bess++ 2009-02-26 09:44:55 mjg_ The Magyar Chieftain of Clan VuFind 2009-02-26 09:44:55 gsf andrew nagy is the macgyver of the library tech world 2009-02-26 09:44:57 naomi asnagy++ 2009-02-26 09:44:57 rsinger_ people like BACON 2009-02-26 09:45:01 BillDueber asnagy++ bess++ 2009-02-26 09:45:02 lbjay i've been saying it nay-jee 2009-02-26 09:45:07 edsu oh noes i have to work! 2009-02-26 09:45:09 jrochkind104 just give me a ballpoint pen and two cards from the card catalog. 2009-02-26 09:45:11 fak3r vufind: does that mean 'velvet underground find'? so it searches all velvet underground boots 2009-02-26 09:45:12 rosy1280 remember that bess has her notifiers on 2009-02-26 09:45:14 fak3r joke fail 2009-02-26 09:45:16 rosy1280 bess++ 2009-02-26 09:45:18 akorphan Royt: If you're actively Hungarian it's "Nooj" 2009-02-26 09:45:22 rsinger_ library_hand++ 2009-02-26 09:45:23 dlovins @cyborg vufind 2009-02-26 09:45:24 BillDueber "both are here to stay" -- that's not at all clear. 2009-02-26 09:45:25 zoia dlovins: V.U.F.I.N.D.: Versatile Unit Fabricated for Infiltration and Nocturnal Destruction 2009-02-26 09:45:33 royt where's asnagy when you need him? 2009-02-26 09:45:33 MrDys- | nooj. lawl. 2009-02-26 09:45:34 harmless i'm a newb... what led to the bacon meme? 2009-02-26 09:45:35 mbklein akorphan: Nice Hungarian pronunciation, irc-style. :) 2009-02-26 09:45:40 rsinger_ @whatis actively hungarian 2009-02-26 09:45:40 gsf it wouldn't be ecorrado if there weren't some joke fails 2009-02-26 09:45:41 zoia rsinger_: better luck next time 2009-02-26 09:45:43 akorphan harmless: Uh, bacon being awesome? 2009-02-26 09:45:45 BillDueber harmless: Bacon. It's....really yummy. 2009-02-26 09:45:48 jrochkind104 35% more expensive for the early adopters. It will get cheaper for every additional adopter. 2009-02-26 09:45:49 mjg_ akorphan: more like 'nudya' to my crappy ears 2009-02-26 09:45:49 mbklein akorphan: (I was typing that before you explained.) 2009-02-26 09:45:50 fak3r harmless: I'm with you on this one 2009-02-26 09:46:06 lbjay @hussein Death Nelly 2009-02-26 09:46:07 zoia lbjay: Unhealthy idleness 2009-02-26 09:46:08 mbklein "TOC" does not stand for "Total Cost of Ownership." 2009-02-26 09:46:12 mbklein That would be "TCO" 2009-02-26 09:46:12 jtgorman harmless: mjg_ is obsessed with it 2009-02-26 09:46:12 fak3r 1/2 laugh 2009-02-26 09:46:13 abarrera deploy crickets 2009-02-26 09:46:15 lbjay zoia++ 2009-02-26 09:46:19 rsinger_ professionalism++ 2009-02-26 09:46:20 BillDueber "implementing" <> "running for five years" 2009-02-26 09:46:22 naomi mbklein++ 2009-02-26 09:46:22 jrochkind104 Which, really, is the same with proprietary software. The TCO of the FIRST institution to adopt Primo was a lot higher, I guarantee. 2009-02-26 09:46:29 BigD crickets: http://www.freesound.org/samplesViewSingle.php?id=420 2009-02-26 09:46:33 gsf i still get "dude where's my car" from the kids in my neighborhood 2009-02-26 09:46:34 BigD just sayin 2009-02-26 09:46:34 mjg_ "rsinger_" doesn't live here anymore. 2009-02-26 09:46:34 edsu rake deploy crickets 2009-02-26 09:46:45 jrochkind104 dude where's my car is a fine fine movie. 2009-02-26 09:46:52 mbklein mjg_++ 2009-02-26 09:46:58 ejk a pig is a filthy animal, but bacon tastes good 2009-02-26 09:46:59 abarrera they got Primo for $19.95 2009-02-26 09:47:02 crikey ain't necessarily so 2009-02-26 09:47:06 akorphan mjg_: you're probably righter about Nagy than I am. 2009-02-26 09:47:09 fak3r if you try to code it all by hand, yeah, proprietary could be cheaper - that's why open source means sharing, not just taking 2009-02-26 09:47:11 jwn commercial solution is like straight jacket 2009-02-26 09:47:13 gsf that movie epitomizes whiteness for certain swaths of our society 2009-02-26 09:47:13 rsinger @dunno search PLATFORMS 2009-02-26 09:47:14 zoia rsinger: 1 found: #303: "HOW MANY PLATFORMS CAN I PUT YOU DOWN FOR?" 2009-02-26 09:47:17 jrochkind104 a human is a pretty filthy animal too, so, you know. 2009-02-26 09:47:19 JodiS__ @later tell ecorrado: opensource costs might be frontloaded. do you think that years 1-4 are the right years to look at for comparison? Or are projects so short-lived that that's the right way to go? 2009-02-26 09:47:20 MrDys- | abarrera: $1,995,000? 2009-02-26 09:47:20 zoia JodiS__: The operation succeeded. 2009-02-26 09:47:20 BillDueber akorphan: "righter"??? 2009-02-26 09:47:24 jrochkind104 fak3r: exactly 2009-02-26 09:47:33 mjg_ akorphan++ # for bringin' the troof, though. 2009-02-26 09:47:36 kat3 in 4-D???? 2009-02-26 09:47:42 akorphan BillDueber: descriptivist language FTW 2009-02-26 09:47:43 timmcgeary aberrera: and they got the 3 KB's for free 2009-02-26 09:47:48 rsinger WC3 2009-02-26 09:48:02 kgs marshall hasn't been making those "TOC" [sic] claims quite so much since he got involved in OLE 2009-02-26 09:48:05 jrochkind104 WD40? 2009-02-26 09:48:08 fak3r POSIX compliant 2009-02-26 09:48:08 abarrera MyDys: well yes, when you consider it is $19.95 a month over 100,000 months 2009-02-26 09:48:11 JodiS__ yesterday's wotd from davepattern's hotstuff: code4lib2009! :) 2009-02-26 09:48:14 BigD how many re-indexing coupons can i sell you? 2009-02-26 09:48:19 rsinger SPEL_CHECK+ 2009-02-26 09:48:24 rjw_ rjw_ remembers implementing 'open systems' 2009-02-26 09:48:24 edsu edsu hopes for another badger slide 2009-02-26 09:48:27 akorphan Posix complaints: Up the stairs and to the left. 2009-02-26 09:48:33 fak3r rsinger: spel_chek needed for irssi 2009-02-26 09:48:44 BillDueber code4lib wiki needs a Giant List Of Library-Ish APIs 2009-02-26 09:48:54 fak3r so they're a former libris customer? 2009-02-26 09:48:57 abarrera edsu: i'm putting my money on picts of his cats 2009-02-26 09:48:59 gsf CAPS_LOCK++ 2009-02-26 09:49:00 bess BillDueber++ # that would be really useful 2009-02-26 09:49:02 kgs cost issues also have more factors than bottom-line dollar-per-dollar migratin/dev/maintenance comparisons 2009-02-26 09:49:02 jrochkind104 BillDueber: It's got a page for one, I think. 2009-02-26 09:49:06 rsinger text_based_interfaces-- 2009-02-26 09:49:12 JodiS__ JodiS__ would like some serious analysis of TCOO opensource vs. commercial. what are the factors, what affects one and the other? 2009-02-26 09:49:18 fak3r cli++ 2009-02-26 09:49:18 dlovins Re: Bacon meme: Didn't RoyT say something about new OPACs being "lipstick on pig", but then NCSU/Endeca slaughtered the pig. So is the idea now that there's plenty of bacon to go around? 2009-02-26 09:49:19 rsinger teh_pretty++ 2009-02-26 09:49:22 akorphan kgs++ 2009-02-26 09:49:24 gsf text-based_interfaces++ 2009-02-26 09:49:27 BigD BillDueber: make that a talk for next year! then fail! 2009-02-26 09:49:27 anarchivist dlovins++ 2009-02-26 09:49:27 naomi libraries also offer internet, in many cases. 2009-02-26 09:49:27 fak3r sit on your computer? I think that might break it 2009-02-26 09:49:32 mbklein mbklein is sleepy. Damn you, Whatever Room!!! 2009-02-26 09:49:33 gsf pictures-- 2009-02-26 09:49:38 mjg_ dlovins++ 2009-02-26 09:49:40 pmurray dlovins++ 2009-02-26 09:49:40 JodiS__ JodiS__ would like more code4lib public librarians (missing beanworks) 2009-02-26 09:49:40 naomi and public libraries often offer computer to use internet. 2009-02-26 09:49:41 akorphan dlovins: ejlynema++ 2009-02-26 09:49:43 fak3r bullet_points++ 2009-02-26 09:49:44 kgs I touch on this in my BASIST artcle and also in talks I give 2009-02-26 09:49:49 timmcgeary You can search books in Google? 2009-02-26 09:49:51 wickr BillDueber: there's some thing started on the wiki 2009-02-26 09:49:54 anarchivist mbklein: i'm whatever, and i blame the whatever room 2009-02-26 09:50:01 naomi libarry??? 2009-02-26 09:50:01 bess mbklein++ # I got a ruby chat bot running this morning before breakfast. Thanks for the chatbot tutorial! 2009-02-26 09:50:03 wickr ibahn-- 2009-02-26 09:50:08 mjg_ edsu: https://www.msu.edu/~willso11/images/Random%20Pictures/badger.jpg 2009-02-26 09:50:10 timmcgeary Our science dept won't buy any library-related resources 2009-02-26 09:50:12 BillDueber wickr: Awesome. I'll look at it, get bored, and do nothing. But not until next week. 2009-02-26 09:50:18 fak3r stealing++ 2009-02-26 09:50:27 escowles disintegration-- 2009-02-26 09:50:30 timmcgeary stealing++ 2009-02-26 09:50:32 fak3r silos mentioned, again 2009-02-26 09:50:36 gsf "dis-integrated"! get it? 2009-02-26 09:50:40 mbklein bess: awesome. what platform did you use? 2009-02-26 09:50:41 dlovins data_silos-- 2009-02-26 09:50:43 fak3r disintgration_by_the_cure++ 2009-02-26 09:50:44 MrDys- | clip_art++ 2009-02-26 09:50:46 edsu mjg_: SCARY! 2009-02-26 09:50:46 bess mbklein: rbot 2009-02-26 09:50:48 wickr BillDueber: sure, ed vielmetti made like 100 edits yesterday, linking a ton of things 2009-02-26 09:50:53 fak3r mrdys++ 2009-02-26 09:50:58 anarchivist http://www.iht.com/articles/ap/2009/02/12/europe/EU-ODD-Netherlands-Purloined-Porn.php 2009-02-26 09:50:59 dchud wow, this wireless is a bummer :( 2009-02-26 09:51:01 gsf unfacetinating 2009-02-26 09:51:01 fak3r mighty mouse 2009-02-26 09:51:04 abarrera mighty_mouse++ 2009-02-26 09:51:11 rsinger bess: i use an rbot in the #talis channel 2009-02-26 09:51:12 timmcgeary mighty_mouse++ 2009-02-26 09:51:15 harmless dlovins: thanks! 2009-02-26 09:51:16 BillDueber Here I come to save the day! 2009-02-26 09:51:18 jrochkind104 Applies to OCLC too. 2009-02-26 09:51:21 akorphan Who do you think would win, Mighty Mouse or Superman? 2009-02-26 09:51:21 edsu horizontally_skewed_mouse++ 2009-02-26 09:51:25 JodiS__ dlovins++ re:bacon 2009-02-26 09:51:25 jwn "they can't make a product thats good ... 2009-02-26 09:51:26 naomi a lot of vendors can't make a product worthy of ANYONE. 2009-02-26 09:51:34 BigD akorphan: Ditka 2009-02-26 09:51:34 mjg_ libraries: please stop having such different needs 2009-02-26 09:51:35 fak3r "...that's easy, cherry Pez" 2009-02-26 09:51:41 dlovins harmless: really just conjecture on my part :-) 2009-02-26 09:51:44 timmcgeary BigD++ 2009-02-26 09:51:46 fak3r needs, needs, needs 2009-02-26 09:51:50 anarchivist BigD++ 2009-02-26 09:51:55 akorphan Man, are we really so needy? 2009-02-26 09:51:56 jrochkind104 SuperMouse vs. MightyMan 2009-02-26 09:51:57 JodiS__ kgs: I love that you talk about TCOO. Need more echoers. :) 2009-02-26 09:51:58 timmcgeary we are all so needy... 2009-02-26 09:51:59 jwn little libraries, can't we all just come together? 2009-02-26 09:52:04 mjg_ we clearly need to form a committee to develop a standard for needs. 2009-02-26 09:52:07 fak3r why doesn't he just say there's no i in team? 2009-02-26 09:52:11 akorphan libraries: the high maintenance significant-other. 2009-02-26 09:52:12 harmless dlovins: but no one contradicted it so it's like ... the code4lib-bacon-origin-myth or something. 2009-02-26 09:52:15 edsu robocop solutions 2009-02-26 09:52:16 MrDys- | ...but there is an i in pie 2009-02-26 09:52:19 ejk robosolutions++ 2009-02-26 09:52:19 anarchivist but there is an I in "meat pie" 2009-02-26 09:52:21 bess akorphan++ 2009-02-26 09:52:24 BillDueber TCO is hard, because no one ever does the same thing for the first time twice. 2009-02-26 09:52:24 timmcgeary Greatest American Hero could kick MightyMouse's ass 2009-02-26 09:52:25 jfereira mmm, pie 2009-02-26 09:52:27 mjg_ fak3r++ 2009-02-26 09:52:30 jrochkind104 I'm sorry, your needs are non-standard-compliant, please need something else. 2009-02-26 09:52:31 anarchivist MrDys-++ 2009-02-26 09:52:34 BigD anarchivist: elbows too 2009-02-26 09:52:35 MrDys- | meat is an anagram of "team"... 2009-02-26 09:52:38 edsu @sing greatest american hero 2009-02-26 09:52:39 zoia edsu: No songs found by greatest american hero 2009-02-26 09:52:40 abarrera mjg_: only after the committe for standards develops a standard for creating a committee for developing standards 2009-02-26 09:52:40 fak3r where do you work? ExLibris. Oh sorry, hope you find something else soon. 2009-02-26 09:52:44 fak3r vendor_lockin-- 2009-02-26 09:52:54 BillDueber Yeah, that's why they give us encypted cobol to work with. 2009-02-26 09:53:00 BillDueber ENCRYPTED FUCKING COBOL!!! 2009-02-26 09:53:02 naomi yeah, but is ExLibris extensibility as good as blacklight and solrmarc? 2009-02-26 09:53:04 fak3r and yr not going to be able to innovate at all either 2009-02-26 09:53:08 lbjay BillDueber++ 2009-02-26 09:53:10 gsf open except for in every way 2009-02-26 09:53:17 jrochkind104 'as good' in terms of what? 2009-02-26 09:53:18 akorphan BillDueber: That is some kind of sick joke, right? 2009-02-26 09:53:24 JodiS__ @quote add TCO is hard, because no one ever does the same thing for the first time twice. 2009-02-26 09:53:24 zoia JodiS__: Error: You must be registered to use this command. If you are already registered, you must either identify (using the identify command) or add a hostmask matching your current hostmask (using the "hostmask add" command). 2009-02-26 09:53:25 kgs it's support and encourage "customers" not the software 2009-02-26 09:53:26 abarrera greatest_american_hero++ 2009-02-26 09:53:26 mjg_ greatest American hero? http://lackoftalent.org/michael/images/ace_waterwheels.png 2009-02-26 09:53:30 naomi jrochkind104: ease of customizing. 2009-02-26 09:53:30 BillDueber akorphan: Kill me now. 2009-02-26 09:53:38 fak3r naomi: I think they used to be, but no longer (another bad joke about the x intheir name) 2009-02-26 09:53:39 edsu @quote add < BillDueber> ENCRYPTED FUCKING COBOL!!! 2009-02-26 09:53:39 zoia edsu: The operation succeeded. Quote #1765 added. 2009-02-26 09:53:40 mbklein BillDueber++ # isn't COBOL self-encrypting in the same way that the Lost Language of the Birds is? 2009-02-26 09:53:43 jrochkind104 But yeah, if you're going to spend X number of hours adding things to an EL product... you might as well be spending those X hours writing open source, for non-trivial values of X. 2009-02-26 09:53:54 naomi look! elevator interface that makes sense! 2009-02-26 09:53:59 fak3r L please 2009-02-26 09:54:01 kgs watching Primo "development" in two academic libraries was the final straw that drove me to oss 2009-02-26 09:54:01 timmcgeary "believe it or not, I'm walking on air..." 2009-02-26 09:54:04 rsinger @quote add I'm sorry, your needs are non-standard-compliant, please need something else. 2009-02-26 09:54:04 zoia rsinger: The operation succeeded. Quote #1766 added. 2009-02-26 09:54:07 BigD mbklein: twitter is the lost language of the birds. tweet. 2009-02-26 09:54:09 jwn there are no no trvial values of X when extending xLibris products. 2009-02-26 09:54:10 jrochkind104 It would be different if the EL product out of the box did a LOT more than Blacklight/Etc did. Right now, no. 2009-02-26 09:54:11 BillDueber ex libris really does have a lot of good stuff, but implemented so poorly as to be useless. 2009-02-26 09:54:12 naomi jrochkind104: agreed 2009-02-26 09:54:13 jrochkind104 Summon on the other hand, yes. 2009-02-26 09:54:33 anarchivist anarchivist reads a scroll of summon sales pitch 2009-02-26 09:54:37 naomi blacklight, solrmarc >> vendor discovery software 2009-02-26 09:54:40 BillDueber jrochkind104: The EL product *does* do a lot more than Blacklight. The EL OPAC doesn't, but there's a lot more there there. 2009-02-26 09:54:42 akorphan @sing kerli : walking on air 2009-02-26 09:54:44 zoia Feel it / Breathe it / Believe it / And you'll be walking on air 2009-02-26 09:54:44 fak3r I'm sensing a raising amount of buzwords in this talk... 2009-02-26 09:54:51 MrDys- | what's ecorrado's relationship with EL? 2009-02-26 09:54:52 abarrera ace_waterwheels++ 2009-02-26 09:54:56 mbklein @sing joey scarbury : believe it or not 2009-02-26 09:54:57 jwn And you customizations die with each new release of aleph 2009-02-26 09:54:57 zoia I can't believe it myself; / Suddenly I'm up on top of the world, / Should've been somebody else. / Believe it or not, 2009-02-26 09:54:59 anarchivist anything + solrmarc >> encore 2009-02-26 09:54:59 akorphan I think that's a different walking on air. 2009-02-26 09:55:03 mbklein @sing joey scarbury : believe it or not : * 2009-02-26 09:55:04 zoia Look at what's happened to me, / I can't believe it myself; / Suddenly I'm up on top of the world, / Should've been somebody else. / Believe it or not, / I'm walkin' on air, / I never thought I could feel so free; / Flyin' away on a wing and a pray'r, / Who could it be? / Believe it or not, it's just me. / Just like the light of new day, / It hit me from out of the blue; / Breakin' me out of the spell I was (2 more messages) 2009-02-26 09:55:06 akorphan oh well 2009-02-26 09:55:12 jrochkind104 Primo does a lot more than Blacklight? Like what? I think it does maybe one important thing that Blacklight doesn't -- same/similar record grouping/de-dup. That's about it. 2009-02-26 09:55:13 akorphan akorphan-- 2009-02-26 09:55:26 naomi anything + anything >> sirsi or iii 2009-02-26 09:55:28 abarrera mbklein++ # thanks, now i'm singing that in my head 2009-02-26 09:55:35 timmcgeary seriously need to get the theme song of Greatest American Hero in zoia 2009-02-26 09:55:35 gsf X = buzzwords for a non-trivial value of X 2009-02-26 09:55:37 BigD more Meatloaf 2009-02-26 09:55:39 wickr MrDys-: nothing formal I don't think 2009-02-26 09:55:39 kgs thing is metasearch is wrong. wrong. 2009-02-26 09:55:40 BillDueber jrochkind104: My bad. Was comparing blacklight to Aleph. Primo is a different story. 2009-02-26 09:55:42 anarchivist jrochkind104: primo is pretty interesting 2009-02-26 09:55:45 mjg_ I saw Hammer walk into a phonebooth and out came ace waterwheels. 2009-02-26 09:55:45 mbklein @pirate [sing joey scarbury : believe it or not : *] 2009-02-26 09:55:47 zoia mbklein: Look at what's happened to me, / I ain't believe it myself; / Suddenly I be up on top 'o th' seven seas, / 've be somebody else. / Believe it or not, / I be walkin' on air, / I never thought I could feel so free; / Flyin' away on a win' 'n a pray'r, / Who could it be? / Believe it or not, 'tis just me. / Just like th' light 'o new day, / It hit me from out 'o th' blue; / Breakin' me out 'o th' spell I was (2 more messages) 2009-02-26 09:55:50 birkin oh man, in----teeeerrrr-----net headaches 2009-02-26 09:55:51 fak3r wiki? no way, anyone can edit that! 2009-02-26 09:55:51 jfereira meatloaf is the new bacon 2009-02-26 09:55:57 naomi is he a shill??? 2009-02-26 09:56:00 anarchivist meatfoaf 2009-02-26 09:56:03 jrochkind104 BillDueber: Yeah, Blacklight is in the domain of Primo, not Aleph. 2009-02-26 09:56:09 MrDys- | do I need to make a photoshop...? 2009-02-26 09:56:10 jwn when your developers an incapable of improving the product, ask your customers to do it for you 2009-02-26 09:56:13 gsf @ana im ace waterwheels 2009-02-26 09:56:14 fak3r conflict_of_interest-- 2009-02-26 09:56:14 BigD c4l = meatfoaf 2009-02-26 09:56:14 zoia gsf: Warm sweetie leach 2009-02-26 09:56:14 mbklein @sing meat loaf : bat out of hell 2009-02-26 09:56:15 royt the only thing worse than metasearching is not metasearching 2009-02-26 09:56:17 zoia So we gotta make the most of our one night together. / When it's over you know, / We'll both be so alone. / Like a bat out of hell 2009-02-26 09:56:23 jrochkind104 jwn++ # precisely 2009-02-26 09:56:24 BillDueber BillDueber has managed to never look at Primo, and hence it's off his radar. 2009-02-26 09:56:27 mbklein meat_loaf++ 2009-02-26 09:56:30 fak3r doesn't sound very 'free' to me 2009-02-26 09:56:38 rsinger we're all shills. Shills for summon. 2009-02-26 09:56:39 BLTnoTomato with preg_match, what special character denotes only at the beginning of the line? is it ^? 2009-02-26 09:56:41 fak3r colors-- 2009-02-26 09:56:42 BigD mbklein: ++ 2009-02-26 09:56:51 mbklein IF YOU NEED TO LOG IN TO SEE SHIT, IT'S NOT OPEN 2009-02-26 09:56:56 fak3r hard_to_see++ 2009-02-26 09:57:00 akorphan wikis: the solution for commercial enterprise applications too lazy to document their own software. 2009-02-26 09:57:01 BillDueber BLTnoTomato: ^ is correct 2009-02-26 09:57:05 kgs a to z lists are hell too royt, no disagreement, but I think Summon takes the right approach 2009-02-26 09:57:11 fak3r akorphan: true! 2009-02-26 09:57:15 jwn customer created documentation! sounds like OSS 2009-02-26 09:57:24 fak3r yah, what do I see here? 2009-02-26 09:57:24 kgs and has way way more content agreements than WC at this point 2009-02-26 09:57:30 timmcgeary timmcgeary downloading entire GAH bittorrent 2009-02-26 09:57:31 BillDueber jwn: Sounds like free labor! 2009-02-26 09:57:34 mjg_ ace_waterwheels is in the building 2009-02-26 09:57:34 rsinger kgs: please to be giving a lightning talk about this summon! 2009-02-26 09:57:34 jrochkind104 Summon is really cool. It's not about the technology, it's about them doing the work of aggregating and normalizing all that metadata. 2009-02-26 09:57:36 fak3r own_servers++ 2009-02-26 09:57:49 kgs rsinger that would be 3! a c4l best 2009-02-26 09:57:52 crikey all ILS vendors have that amirite? 2009-02-26 09:57:59 BillDueber jrochkind104++ # Getting vendors to normalize and release their data is a huge part of the ballgame 2009-02-26 09:58:00 BigD jrochkind104: i was impressed by the list of ppl they have 2009-02-26 09:58:02 crikey or ILS User groups 2009-02-26 09:58:08 kgs jrochkind104 exactly -- it is the work of those relationships 2009-02-26 09:58:13 timmcgeary torture will make people use it 2009-02-26 09:58:18 timmcgeary Jack Bauer will make people use it 2009-02-26 09:58:20 BillDueber jrochkind104: Ditto with the ticTOCs people -- getting vendors off their dead asses is a huge step forward. 2009-02-26 09:58:21 JodiS__ own_servers+- 2009-02-26 09:58:21 BLTnoTomato BillDueber, thanks. i had it in the wrong spot '^/Library\//' as opposed to '/^Library\//' 2009-02-26 09:58:22 jrochkind104 Yeah, it helps that Summon started out with Proquest right out the bat. But they also have obviously dedicated serious staff resources to this, and smart people. 2009-02-26 09:58:27 asnagy jrochkind++ 2009-02-26 09:58:27 JodiS__ findability is an issue 2009-02-26 09:58:30 BigD is III doing it? 2009-02-26 09:58:37 rsinger "Enhanced Invoicing Techniques" 2009-02-26 09:58:41 jrochkind104 jrochkind104 realizes 'out the bat' doesnt' mean anyting. 2009-02-26 09:58:43 JodiS__ mbklein++ #IF YOU NEED TO LOG IN TO SEE SHIT, IT'S NOT OPEN 2009-02-26 09:58:48 JodiS__ divide_and_conquer-- 2009-02-26 09:58:52 kgs does iii play well with anyone? 2009-02-26 09:58:54 mjg_ the letter 'g' is missing from ecorrado's phonetic keyboard... and he doesn't even need it. 2009-02-26 09:59:02 fak3r just sign up and agree to all our terms to use our open api 2009-02-26 09:59:07 jrochkind104 kgs: I wonder how much Summon will cost. My guess is a LOT. 2009-02-26 09:59:19 mjg_ fak3r++ 2009-02-26 09:59:20 abarrera mjg_: mike eeearlooo 2009-02-26 09:59:24 crikey i like it when he says "kinda" 2009-02-26 09:59:26 fak3r divide_and_conquer_by_Husker_Du++ 2009-02-26 09:59:30 rsinger jrochkind104: perhaps we need a lightning talk on the cost 2009-02-26 09:59:33 kgs jrochkind104 yes, I assume it will be very spendy, though again, compared to what is the q 2009-02-26 09:59:41 MrDys http://www.dysinterested.com/exlibris.png 2009-02-26 09:59:42 fak3r @sign husker du : divide and conquer 2009-02-26 09:59:43 zoia fak3r: i know what you did last summer 2009-02-26 09:59:44 bjy kgs iii is the kid sitting alone in the lunch room 2009-02-26 09:59:45 mbklein That's my biggest problem with the SirsiDynix "code portal" or whatever they call it. Customers create code that only other customers are allowed to see and use. And only as long as they have an active support agreement. 2009-02-26 09:59:46 jwn sourceforge is a developers network 2009-02-26 09:59:58 kgs it's also going to SEEM very spendy in this year's budget enviro 2009-02-26 09:59:58 fak3r @sign husker du : divide and conquer 2009-02-26 09:59:59 BigD wanna shake things up? let's all post what we're paying the vendors on the wiki ;) 2009-02-26 09:59:59 zoia fak3r: I find your situation untenable 2009-02-26 10:00:07 JodiS__ MrDys++ 2009-02-26 10:00:07 mjg_ ecorrado++ # straight outta camden 2009-02-26 10:00:08 atz mbklein: yeah, and most the code there sucks 2009-02-26 10:00:09 kgs like "what is this 'money' thing you refer to?" 2009-02-26 10:00:09 anarchivist http://lol.ianloic.com/image-cache/bbe/bbeacdd8fb4ec385e9099e1b91780b20.jpg 2009-02-26 10:00:11 timmcgeary mbklein: except for the soon-to-be VuFind driver 2009-02-26 10:00:17 jrochkind104 kgs: Compared to what... its' GOT no competition, it is the only worthwhile product of it's class. It's the first expensive product in a long time that seems to be both useful and something there's no way I could duplicate on my own. 2009-02-26 10:00:19 mbklein BigD++ # No kidding. 2009-02-26 10:00:28 akorphan 1: sell a tool that doesn't play well with other software. 2: sell a tool to crowbar tool 1 into playing well. 3: profit! 2009-02-26 10:00:28 lbjay lbjay nods 2009-02-26 10:00:39 jrochkind104 @sing eugene mcdaniels: compared to what 2009-02-26 10:00:42 kgs jrochkind104 right, cuz it's not just code it's the ability of proquest to swing those content deals 2009-02-26 10:00:44 timmcgeary mbklein: I negotiated full release of Unicorn/Symphony driver for any SD customer 2009-02-26 10:00:48 asnagy rsinger: we could do a few more lightning talks if you need 2009-02-26 10:00:49 fak3r irc mention 2009-02-26 10:00:51 zoia jrochkind104: No lyrics for compared to what by eugene mcdaniels. Searched lyricwiki & lyricsty 2009-02-26 10:00:53 jrochkind104 kgs: absolutely 2009-02-26 10:00:55 rsinger asnagy++ 2009-02-26 10:00:58 fak3r face_to_face mentioned again 2009-02-26 10:01:02 kgs asnagy++ 2009-02-26 10:01:02 abarrera BigD++ 2009-02-26 10:01:10 mbklein timmcgeary: Was that written with knowledge gained from the SD portal? If so, SD made money (even if indirectly) off of vufind development. 2009-02-26 10:01:25 fak3r I'm not huge, but I'm a fan of open source 2009-02-26 10:01:25 anarchivist OpenSOARS++ 2009-02-26 10:01:28 jrochkind104 @sing les mccann: compared to what 2009-02-26 10:01:34 mbklein timmcgeary: And in a way that it shouldn't have had to happen. 2009-02-26 10:01:35 zoia jrochkind104: No lyrics for compared to what by les mccann. Searched lyricwiki & lyricsty 2009-02-26 10:01:37 JodiS__ divide_and_conquer-- 2009-02-26 10:01:37 fak3r vendors giving us something? define give? 2009-02-26 10:01:37 timmcgeary mbklein: No 2009-02-26 10:01:48 pmurray @quote add I'm not huge, but I'm a fan of open source 2009-02-26 10:01:48 zoia pmurray: The operation succeeded. Quote #1767 added. 2009-02-26 10:01:49 royt @sing eddie harris compared to what 2009-02-26 10:01:50 zoia royt: No songs found by eddie harris compared to what 2009-02-26 10:02:01 timmcgeary mbklein: This is completely our own development using the API 2009-02-26 10:02:09 jrochkind104 mbklein: Nothing wrong with that, in my opinion. Vendors taking advantage of open source. 2009-02-26 10:02:10 BigD @sing reo speedwagon 2009-02-26 10:02:12 zoia It's an old disguise. / I may be wealthy but I can still be wise / Drop my old disguise. / Drop it. drop it. it's an old disguise. 2009-02-26 10:02:13 flyingzumwalt @sing beyonce knowles : single ladies 2009-02-26 10:02:15 JodiS__ lbjay: Asheville street art: http://www.flickr.com/groups/31187670@N00/pool/ 2009-02-26 10:02:17 rosy1280 ecorrado++ 2009-02-26 10:02:18 zoia flyingzumwalt: No lyrics for single ladies by beyonce knowles. Searched lyricwiki & lyricsty 2009-02-26 10:02:18 akorphan Dude, was that just our whole break? 2009-02-26 10:02:22 mbklein timmcgeary++ # cool 2009-02-26 10:02:26 fak3r but if you're working in open source you're doing things for good, and retirement my not be the same as most think of it 2009-02-26 10:02:29 timmcgeary did Ed just take 23.5 minutes? 2009-02-26 10:02:32 anarchivist http://icanhascheezburger.files.wordpress.com/2009/02/funny-pictures-cat-curses-the-forcefield-of-the-cheeseburger.jpg 2009-02-26 10:02:37 harmless asheville looks like a very cool place 2009-02-26 10:02:39 BigD is this real coffee or a tease coffee again? 2009-02-26 10:02:40 fak3r retirement means doing what I love (like my job now) but not getting paid 2009-02-26 10:02:44 mbklein jrochkind104: Taking advantage of, no. Holding hostage, yes. 2009-02-26 10:02:50 mjg_ lbjay: PRE-EMPT'D 2009-02-26 10:02:51 jrochkind104 mbklein: True. 2009-02-26 10:03:00 rosy1280 lbjay mumbles 2009-02-26 10:03:17 mbklein rosy1280: Race you to the jellybeans 2009-02-26 10:05:09 rosy1280 mbklein is at it again 2009-02-26 10:05:46 jtgorman jrochkind104: following scrollback is tricky, what was the product that's in a class of it's own? 2009-02-26 10:06:58 ejk ricekrispiestreats++ 2009-02-26 10:08:11 JodiS__ jtgorman: Summon, maybe? (we're on break) 2009-02-26 10:09:39 mjg_ necessito meat-o. 2009-02-26 10:16:06 crikey this still on? 2009-02-26 10:19:35 akorphan @hosts2010 2009-02-26 10:19:36 zoia akorphan: Asheville, NC [286]; Austin, TX [277]; Madison, WI [208]; Columbus, OH [155]; Bloomington, IN [118] 2009-02-26 10:20:00 BLTnoTomato using preg_match, is this pattern correct when searching for .jpg at the end of the string "/.jpg/$i"? 2009-02-26 10:20:27 BLTnoTomato BLTnoTomato sorry for the php questions... i got banned from #php and i think it's because i'm using mibbet 2009-02-26 10:20:35 jbrinley BLTnoTomato: /\.jpg/i 2009-02-26 10:21:04 jbrinley BLTnoTomato: although you might add /\.jpe?g/i 2009-02-26 10:21:49 dlovins Hi everybody 2009-02-26 10:21:58 BLTnoTomato jbrinley, thanks . i'll give that a try 2009-02-26 10:22:01 lbjay lbjay-- # didn't give folks enough time to settle in 2009-02-26 10:22:06 akorphan Uhh... slides? 2009-02-26 10:22:19 ejk mirror displays 2009-02-26 10:22:22 dlovins I guess that's not a live view of the IRC 2009-02-26 10:22:39 timmcgeary IRC as slides++ 2009-02-26 10:22:39 lbjay dchud++ 2009-02-26 10:22:41 wickr dlovins: nope 2009-02-26 10:22:42 akorphan I want to see that microfiche thing again. 2009-02-26 10:22:45 mjg_ I was kind of digging the mibbits. 2009-02-26 10:22:56 jrochkind104 HI MOM 2009-02-26 10:22:56 zoia Ⓣ Ǭ Ǩ Ễ 2009-02-26 10:23:09 BigD akorphan: seadragon from microsoft. i have it on my iphone 2009-02-26 10:23:21 ejk recalculating 2009-02-26 10:23:29 akorphan INPUT OUT OF RANGE 2009-02-26 10:23:32 dchud phew! 2009-02-26 10:23:32 flyingzumwalt @sing home on the range 2009-02-26 10:23:34 akorphan BigD: Thanks 2009-02-26 10:23:34 gsf gsf is still settling 2009-02-26 10:23:35 cbeer BLTnoTomato: /.jpe?g$/i 2009-02-26 10:23:36 jtgorman jtgorman now wonders what irc conversation was captured for the slide 2009-02-26 10:23:45 rosy1280 mbklein there were no jellybeans so i'm having specialk bar 2009-02-26 10:23:48 abarrera deja vu 2009-02-26 10:23:54 BigD akorphan: it is so cool 2009-02-26 10:23:59 royt free kitty! 2009-02-26 10:23:59 dchud i have to admit, Adam's voice is pretty amazing, too. 2009-02-26 10:24:03 abarrera look it's BigD as a cat 2009-02-26 10:24:06 mjg_ that cat looks delicious 2009-02-26 10:24:07 timmcgeary fat_cat++ 2009-02-26 10:24:08 anarchivist adam++ 2009-02-26 10:24:10 BigD that cat ate abarrera! 2009-02-26 10:24:13 akorphan BigD: I'd be interested in brainstorming on other neat uses for it 2009-02-26 10:24:19 JodiS__ dchud: really? he sounds bored? 2009-02-26 10:24:19 anarchivist mjg_: it'd be better with bacon 2009-02-26 10:24:22 decasm html_slides++ 2009-02-26 10:24:26 timmcgeary ESRI-- 2009-02-26 10:24:27 MrDys what's this MrSID buisness? 2009-02-26 10:24:31 naomi sadly_overweight_cats++ 2009-02-26 10:24:31 royt adam++ 2009-02-26 10:24:33 mjg_ kitteh bacon 2009-02-26 10:24:33 zoia flyingzumwalt: No songs found by home on the range 2009-02-26 10:24:34 MrDys impostor! 2009-02-26 10:24:38 royt anyone_who_makes_me_laugh++ 2009-02-26 10:24:40 fak3r slamming_mrsid++ 2009-02-26 10:24:40 mbklein KML 2009-02-26 10:24:40 anarchivist MRDYS DOESN'T LIVE HERE ANYMORE 2009-02-26 10:24:41 ejk hugetoolbars-- 2009-02-26 10:24:51 gsf so domesticated 2009-02-26 10:24:51 jbrinley MrDys: your evil twin from another dimension 2009-02-26 10:24:54 BigD akorphan: yet another TED link: http://www.ted.com/index.php/talks/blaise_aguera_y_arcas_demos_photosynth.html 2009-02-26 10:24:55 crikey yikes is that what i think it is? 2009-02-26 10:25:06 mjg_ I sat next to this dude on the train ride back from c4l07. Good guy. 2009-02-26 10:25:08 ejk didn't think I'd be looking at a speculum 2009-02-26 10:25:08 fak3r I can't figure out if this guy is 30 or 50 2009-02-26 10:25:11 naomi too_many_toolbars_for_presentation-- 2009-02-26 10:25:12 royt crikey: open wide 2009-02-26 10:25:18 naomi 30ish 2009-02-26 10:25:19 BigD um 2009-02-26 10:25:24 fak3r don't get me wrong, sideburns FTW! 2009-02-26 10:25:30 royt fak3r 30, but dresses like he's 50 2009-02-26 10:25:42 jbrinley fak3r: he was born 30 years ago, lived 50 years, then traveled 20 years back in time 2009-02-26 10:25:49 mjg_ he smokes a pipe too. \m/ 2009-02-26 10:25:51 naomi jbrinley++ 2009-02-26 10:25:54 dlovins Nitrous_oxide++ # (to go with dental instruments) 2009-02-26 10:25:54 escowles sideburns++ 2009-02-26 10:26:05 BigD ameliorated - cool word 2009-02-26 10:26:07 bess he says he's a 70 year old man trapped in a young man's body. :) 2009-02-26 10:26:17 fak3r bess++ 2009-02-26 10:26:18 naomi bess++ 2009-02-26 10:26:28 gsf ogc yeah you know me 2009-02-26 10:26:28 timmcgeary bess++ 2009-02-26 10:26:29 dlovins bess++ 2009-02-26 10:26:32 bess adam++ # he's the one who said it, not me 2009-02-26 10:26:38 abarrera bess: kind like royt 2009-02-26 10:26:40 fak3r bess: so will he look like pitt riding that motorcycle in a few days? 2009-02-26 10:26:44 timmcgeary adam++ 2009-02-26 10:26:49 dlovins adam++ 2009-02-26 10:26:50 naomi adam++ 2009-02-26 10:26:50 crikey gsf++ ha ha 2009-02-26 10:27:02 timmcgeary gsf++ 2009-02-26 10:27:05 naomi adam found the fountain of youth 2009-02-26 10:27:13 mbklein abarrera: I thought royt was a 12 year old trapped in a whisky-soaked body. 2009-02-26 10:27:15 MrDys ponce de leadam 2009-02-26 10:27:21 jrochkind104 i wrote a thesaurus for mapping related information for a class project in library school. geomatics was in there. 2009-02-26 10:27:22 royt aberrera: don't make me hurt you 2009-02-26 10:27:31 royt mbklein++ 2009-02-26 10:27:33 gsf mbklein++ ha 2009-02-26 10:27:34 lbjay wtd_: i swear i wont forget the lovecraft thing 2009-02-26 10:27:45 mjg_ royt has a 12 year old trapped in his treehouse 2009-02-26 10:27:47 fak3r short_sheeted++ 2009-02-26 10:27:54 royt mjg_: that too 2009-02-26 10:27:57 gsf so many toolbars 2009-02-26 10:27:58 BigD royt: hurt him. take away his lunch 2009-02-26 10:28:00 jtgorman lovecraft thing? 2009-02-26 10:28:02 akorphan hideous_bloated_visage_of_great_cthulhu++ 2009-02-26 10:28:09 dlovins kittens++ 2009-02-26 10:28:09 crikey is that a two headed cat? 2009-02-26 10:28:12 abarrera BigD-- # the economy needs me 2009-02-26 10:28:13 mouwd kittens++ 2009-02-26 10:28:16 mjg_ awwww 2009-02-26 10:28:16 gsf adam: f11 2009-02-26 10:28:17 mbklein mbklein will start work on "Roy Tennant: Well-Preserved" right after he finishes "19 and Stoned: The Rob Casson Story" 2009-02-26 10:28:18 escowles kittehs++ 2009-02-26 10:28:20 BigD vampire car 2009-02-26 10:28:22 BigD cart 2009-02-26 10:28:25 BigD poop 2009-02-26 10:28:28 dchud stephen king, i think, said "i have the heart of a young boy. and i keep it on the shelf with my favorite books." 2009-02-26 10:28:31 harmless is there a big cthulhu statue here somewhere? 2009-02-26 10:28:31 abarrera mbklein++ 2009-02-26 10:28:33 naomi dkittens++ 2009-02-26 10:28:36 mbklein dchud++ 2009-02-26 10:28:38 mjg_ mbklein++ 2009-02-26 10:28:38 akorphan harmless: if only! 2009-02-26 10:28:40 MrDys mbklein: are those your after school special screenplays? 2009-02-26 10:28:45 asnagy can we have more standards? 2009-02-26 10:28:50 mbklein MrDys: Lifetime Original Movies 2009-02-26 10:28:51 jrochkind104 bess: make him write a c4lj article. 2009-02-26 10:29:00 bess jrochkind104: I'm on it. :) 2009-02-26 10:29:04 mbklein bess: What jrochkind104 said 2009-02-26 10:29:10 jrochkind104 "I love standards, so many to choose from!" 2009-02-26 10:29:14 mjg_ bess++ 2009-02-26 10:29:24 fak3r asnagy: those are just the standardized standards, they're hashing out the new standards now, should be ready for RFC next year. 2009-02-26 10:29:26 royt my eyes! 2009-02-26 10:29:33 BigD jrochkind104: heh 2009-02-26 10:29:35 bess adam is brilliant. I work with awesome people. it makes me very happey. 2009-02-26 10:29:39 crikey very cool 2009-02-26 10:29:40 asnagy fak3r: phew! 2009-02-26 10:29:40 bess happy, even. 2009-02-26 10:29:45 dchud if you want to defeat royt, use SQL. 2009-02-26 10:29:47 jfereira MQL for GIS? 2009-02-26 10:29:47 abarrera MrDys: "19 and Stoned: The Rob Casson Story" starring MrDys as the kid who kicks Rob's ass in Mortal Kombat 2009-02-26 10:29:49 fak3r I want to steal the buttons from his presentations for my website 2009-02-26 10:29:50 anarchivist bess: yes, this is awesome 2009-02-26 10:29:54 anarchivist abarrera++ 2009-02-26 10:29:55 mbklein bess: Any idea why the aversion to letting kgs tape this talk? 2009-02-26 10:29:58 BigD drop royt 2009-02-26 10:30:02 BigD ; 2009-02-26 10:30:05 lbjay @inaworld too many standards 2009-02-26 10:30:05 zoia In a world... where too many standards 2009-02-26 10:30:09 gsf gsf fires sql cannon at royt 2009-02-26 10:30:18 gsf @dice 3d4 2009-02-26 10:30:18 zoia gsf: 3, 2, and 4 2009-02-26 10:30:22 jrochkind104 mbklein: I just assumed he thought the video stole his soul. 2009-02-26 10:30:29 bess mbklein: he hates having his photo taken. he also won't ride in an internal combustion vehicle if he can possibly help it. He's a very eccentric guy. 2009-02-26 10:30:34 dchud nice that kgs actually covered the camera 2009-02-26 10:30:38 gsf royt: ur down to 9 hp 2009-02-26 10:30:38 mbklein jrochkind104: And who's to say it doesn't? 2009-02-26 10:30:40 mjg_ kgs++ 2009-02-26 10:30:42 MrDys where does adam work? 2009-02-26 10:30:42 harmless does anyone know what the google site is to easily dump a list of addresses onto a map you can link to? 2009-02-26 10:30:45 BigD bess: amish? 2009-02-26 10:30:47 jbrinley eek, there won't be a video of this?! 2009-02-26 10:30:48 rsinger @inaworld the Amish were kings 2009-02-26 10:30:48 zoia In a world... where the Amish were kings 2009-02-26 10:30:49 mjg_ UVA 2009-02-26 10:30:52 bess MrDys: He's miiiiine ! 2009-02-26 10:31:06 MrDys bess: is that a call of pride, or to ward off poachers? 2009-02-26 10:31:11 mbklein @inaworld where [band] run rampant... 2009-02-26 10:31:11 pmurray @inaworld [excuse] 2009-02-26 10:31:12 zoia In a world... where where Haitham and the Turban Turbines run rampant... 2009-02-26 10:31:14 zoia In a world... where My excuse for today is "failure of the AE-35 unit" 2009-02-26 10:31:17 gsf BigD: steampunk 2009-02-26 10:31:20 crikey has some real old timey sideburns... cool look 2009-02-26 10:31:21 kgs i was reminded about six times not to tape this so I don't want Any Stress about it. Yes, I did not tape it. 2009-02-26 10:31:27 bess BigD: orthodox Jewish. But also just weird. I don't think the style or the eccentricities are a religious thing. :) 2009-02-26 10:31:35 dchud it boggles my mind that anybody wanted to do this w/xml 2009-02-26 10:31:44 harmless kgs: nice shirt 2009-02-26 10:31:53 pmurray pmurray goes to look at the schedule to see what all of the discussion is about 2009-02-26 10:31:54 gsf kgs++ 2009-02-26 10:31:59 jrochkind104 He said he was not emailing for the sabbath, so I guessed jewish, but he doens't cover his head! He's just unique apparently. 2009-02-26 10:31:59 BigD those aren't sideburns. those are siamese ferrets 2009-02-26 10:32:05 BLTnoTomato back to the preg_match- "/\.jpe?g/i" seems to be nabbing even .html and .doc for some reason... is that the right regex for getting jpgs? 2009-02-26 10:32:08 abarrera BigD++ 2009-02-26 10:32:12 fak3r this talk is a bit dry, I would like more cat pictures 2009-02-26 10:32:20 anarchivist fak3r-- 2009-02-26 10:32:21 kgs it's a tiny tote bag. :) 2009-02-26 10:32:26 ejk @ana siamese ferrets 2009-02-26 10:32:27 zoia ejk: Smeariest frees 2009-02-26 10:32:27 crikey we need MOAR cat pics 2009-02-26 10:32:28 jrochkind104 BLTnoTomato: Do you need a $ at the end? 2009-02-26 10:32:28 jmspargu I would like some lolcats 2009-02-26 10:32:31 jbrinley BLTnoTomato: sorry, /\.jpe?g$/i 2009-02-26 10:32:32 mbklein kgs: Zabars ftw 2009-02-26 10:32:38 gsf will there be audio? 2009-02-26 10:32:41 naomi bess: orthodox jews don't have sideburns, they have side locks: regular hair in front of ears, not beard hair. 2009-02-26 10:32:43 kgs Zabars++ 2009-02-26 10:32:47 BLTnoTomato woops 2009-02-26 10:32:48 fak3r jmspargu++ 2009-02-26 10:32:51 MrDys font_up++ 2009-02-26 10:32:52 BLTnoTomato :w 2009-02-26 10:32:53 mbklein kgs: We have two of those. I used to carry my daughter around in one. :) 2009-02-26 10:32:53 dchud i don't use computers on shabbat, and i don't reguarly cover my head 2009-02-26 10:33:07 rosy1280 maybe he's giving away trade secrets at the end 2009-02-26 10:33:18 rosy1280 like how to understand gis stuff 2009-02-26 10:33:18 bess naomi: I mis-typed. Not orthodox. You're right. 2009-02-26 10:33:28 akorphan You know, XML is... really bulky. 2009-02-26 10:33:33 BigD is there a religion where mjg_ has to wear a burka? 2009-02-26 10:33:34 crikey if you squint enough that XML kinda looks like a lolcat 2009-02-26 10:33:40 fak3r akorphan: quite chatty 2009-02-26 10:33:44 rosy1280 crikey++ 2009-02-26 10:33:53 akorphan What's the ratio of content to positioning in typical xml. 2009-02-26 10:33:55 jrochkind104 BigD: There is now. 2009-02-26 10:33:56 akorphan I wonder. 2009-02-26 10:34:01 BigD jrochkind104: amen. 2009-02-26 10:34:06 mjg_ there must be a b'ahai bacon cult somewhere. 2009-02-26 10:34:07 kgs mbklein this bag is lunchbag size so your daughter must be a Borrower :) 2009-02-26 10:34:09 akorphan by positioning i mean placement in the hierarchy 2009-02-26 10:34:10 mbklein mbklein self-identifies as Jewish, but almost purely in a cultural sense. 2009-02-26 10:34:10 abarrera BigD Bacotholic 2009-02-26 10:34:15 pmurray rosy1280: This might be useful in understanding GIS stuff, although it is pretty dry, too: Introduction to GIS Software and ESRI ArcView (archive recording) - https://cc.readytalk.com/cc/schedule/display.do?udc=1e0a12wgb7t45 2009-02-26 10:34:23 fak3r that link is not clickable 2009-02-26 10:34:26 pmurray (It is from TechSoup earlier this week) 2009-02-26 10:34:26 mbklein kgs: :) No, we used the full shopping bag. 2009-02-26 10:34:40 timmcgeary ESRI-- 2009-02-26 10:34:41 bess he actually has a really cool demo. I hope he gets to it soon. 2009-02-26 10:34:50 dchud yes, demo good 2009-02-26 10:34:52 naomi bess: me too. 2009-02-26 10:34:58 gsf GO TO THE DEMO 2009-02-26 10:35:02 pmurray ESRI_on_the_cheap++ 2009-02-26 10:35:11 fak3r bess: cool, I'd like to see some practical stuff, this is all pretty technical 2009-02-26 10:35:12 gsf url of sandwich 2009-02-26 10:35:14 royt "earl" 2009-02-26 10:35:14 timmcgeary bess: give him the secret signal 2009-02-26 10:35:20 BigD we have 7 line URLs, who needs a demo? 2009-02-26 10:35:21 kgs tiny_children++ 2009-02-26 10:35:22 jmspargu does the demo have a cat in it? 2009-02-26 10:35:23 bess pmurray: GIS_that_works++ 2009-02-26 10:35:33 naomi secret signal: someone shouts "demo!" 2009-02-26 10:35:35 rosy1280 pmurray now you're assuming i get maps 2009-02-26 10:35:38 timmcgeary GIS_that_works++ 2009-02-26 10:35:40 fak3r again, mrdis' talk was very technical, but explained well, I got it 2009-02-26 10:35:42 dchud i hope he has screenshots actually 2009-02-26 10:35:44 dchud there we go 2009-02-26 10:35:46 timmcgeary hey - he has a blah server, too 2009-02-26 10:35:47 gsf @inaworld urls are demos 2009-02-26 10:35:47 zoia In a world... where urls are demos 2009-02-26 10:35:54 fak3r I can't see my house from here 2009-02-26 10:35:55 rosy1280 rosy1280 like joey on friends i'm in the map! 2009-02-26 10:36:00 mjg_ http://sandwich/liverwurst?condiment=mustard&nasty=TRUEOHGODSOTRUE 2009-02-26 10:36:03 gsf hey, a map! 2009-02-26 10:36:11 naomi is adam in 1850s providence? 2009-02-26 10:36:16 gsf mjg_++ 2009-02-26 10:36:21 BigD i can see my house! 2009-02-26 10:36:25 BigD well, mpark's house 2009-02-26 10:36:31 royt web_browser_as_presentation_platform-- 2009-02-26 10:36:31 BigD which is right by the airport 2009-02-26 10:36:37 BigD where he forgot to pick me up 2009-02-26 10:36:50 mjg_ asaroka++ # GIS is fucking scary. 2009-02-26 10:36:52 mpark BigD++ 2009-02-26 10:36:58 dchud visible toolbars in browsers during presentations-- 2009-02-26 10:36:59 abarrera BigD: he didn't forget, he didn't want you eating sliders in his car 2009-02-26 10:37:02 fak3r I would like to see this guy to break out in some punk rock screaming - we'll need some guitars, and drums 2009-02-26 10:37:13 gsf royt: keynote-centric paradigm holder 2009-02-26 10:37:13 fak3r sliders++ 2009-02-26 10:37:18 edsu just found my gov't credit card down in the bar 2009-02-26 10:37:24 mjg_ fak3r++ 2009-02-26 10:37:31 akorphan edsu: so that's where the stimulus money went. 2009-02-26 10:37:34 bess fak3r: actually, he's also a sound guy and used to be very active in the C'ville punk scene. 2009-02-26 10:37:37 timmcgeary i think we need a lightning talk of only TLA and FLAs 2009-02-26 10:37:38 rsinger lovecraft? 2009-02-26 10:37:40 BigD edsu: can you validate? what is the number on that card? 2009-02-26 10:37:48 rosy1280 rsinger++ 2009-02-26 10:37:56 fak3r workshop on monday? does not compute 2009-02-26 10:37:59 rosy1280 lovecraft:places 2009-02-26 10:38:01 pmurray akorphan: Sounds like good use of stimulus money --lubricating the inner workings of Code4LIB 2009-02-26 10:38:04 rsinger AM I THE ONLY ONE THAT CAN SEE THAT?! 2009-02-26 10:38:06 rsinger ok 2009-02-26 10:38:08 rsinger whew 2009-02-26 10:38:12 gsf edsu: left my credit card at the cheesecake shop overnight earlier this week 2009-02-26 10:38:20 anarchivist gsf++ 2009-02-26 10:38:23 fak3r that was a nice site 2009-02-26 10:38:23 crikey my name is EARL 2009-02-26 10:38:28 akorphan This guy, now that you mention it, looks a little like a Lovecraft character. 2009-02-26 10:38:38 rosy1280 blah/geoserver 2009-02-26 10:38:44 bess yes, get to the lovecraft demo! come on! 2009-02-26 10:38:46 fak3r edsu: good, I was behind you at the checkout 2009-02-26 10:38:48 mjg_ I left a credit card somewhere in Corvallis. Basically set the tone of my entire code4lib experience. 2009-02-26 10:38:49 BigD i've never read lovecraft 2009-02-26 10:38:51 anarchivist http://kirk-white.com/duke/ 2009-02-26 10:38:58 BigD i think i have some on my iphone... 2009-02-26 10:38:59 gsf GO TO THE DEMO 2009-02-26 10:39:04 fak3r whizbang_demo? 2009-02-26 10:39:05 edsu BigD: http://inkdroid.org/mastercard.txt 2009-02-26 10:39:11 dchud he has 4 minutes left 2009-02-26 10:39:22 MrDys @rickcheck http://inkdroid.org/mastercard.txt 2009-02-26 10:39:22 mjg_ HEY A LINK OOH LET ME CLICK THAT 2009-02-26 10:39:23 zoia MrDys: what would ace_waterwheels do? 2009-02-26 10:39:27 fak3r here we go! 2009-02-26 10:39:27 bess is someone timekeeping for him? 2009-02-26 10:39:32 gsf shmandards 2009-02-26 10:39:33 crikey we need moar demos 2009-02-26 10:39:33 dchud edsu: why i outta 2009-02-26 10:39:37 lbjay bess yes 2009-02-26 10:39:38 dchud oughta 2009-02-26 10:39:42 gsf postgresql++ 2009-02-26 10:39:48 BigD edsu: i bow to the master 2009-02-26 10:39:49 naomi note to self: start talk with demos. 2009-02-26 10:39:51 fak3r postgres not owned by sun 2009-02-26 10:39:51 rosy1280 lbjay is in charge 2009-02-26 10:39:53 edsu c++ is fucking scary 2009-02-26 10:39:57 mbklein ur links let me click them 2009-02-26 10:39:58 pmurray @todo Fix RickCheck # Life on IRC is too dangerous without it 2009-02-26 10:39:58 timmcgeary os++ 2009-02-26 10:39:58 zoia pmurray: Error: 'Fix' is not a valid task id. 2009-02-26 10:39:58 dchud the demo, the demo 2009-02-26 10:39:59 BigD of shitheadery 2009-02-26 10:40:02 edsu spring is fucking scary 2009-02-26 10:40:05 lbjay rosy1280: scary huh? 2009-02-26 10:40:08 gsf edsu: then why did you increment it? 2009-02-26 10:40:13 bess I told him to start with the demos, but he said "don't worry, I have pictures of kittens. it isn't boring." 2009-02-26 10:40:15 rosy1280 lbjay very scary 2009-02-26 10:40:18 naomi *winter* is scary! ;-) 2009-02-26 10:40:28 ejk c++++ 2009-02-26 10:40:30 BigD bess: he's doing well, we're just weenies 2009-02-26 10:40:34 edsu gsf++ 2009-02-26 10:40:37 naomi bess: well, now you can give him more feedback. 2009-02-26 10:40:37 dchud wow 134 people. that must be some kind of record 2009-02-26 10:40:42 naomi adam++ 2009-02-26 10:40:42 BigD naomi: cold is stupid 2009-02-26 10:40:42 gsf bess: not boring 2009-02-26 10:40:43 MrDys oai-pmh connectivity...interesting 2009-02-26 10:40:49 BigD how do you people live out here? 2009-02-26 10:40:50 fak3r if I give a presenation next year I need to be on chan at the same time 2009-02-26 10:40:52 jfereira Demotime++ 2009-02-26 10:40:56 fak3r ajax busy inidcator! 2009-02-26 10:40:59 mbklein dchud: At least a few of those are zombies___ 2009-02-26 10:40:59 naomi BigD: cold makes me appreciate warm. 2009-02-26 10:41:00 gsf @quote add < BigD> naomi: cold is stupid 2009-02-26 10:41:00 timmcgeary this is actually really good 2009-02-26 10:41:00 zoia gsf: The operation succeeded. Quote #1768 added. 2009-02-26 10:41:01 akorphan "... and now, as I write this, I can hear the grotesque scratching of its loathsome claws upon the doorframe! The wet sucking of its flabby tentacles strain against the lock! No! No! Its shambling, bloated form approaches! Its hideous, leathery wings! The foul stench of the black ichor that oozes forth from its eldritch, gaping maw! No!" 2009-02-26 10:41:07 fak3r ....buffering.... 2009-02-26 10:41:09 crikey can someone copy and print that URL into the room? 2009-02-26 10:41:09 mpark BigD: cold at the airport 2009-02-26 10:41:10 royt two minutes left 2009-02-26 10:41:13 fak3r ....buffering.... 2009-02-26 10:41:13 gsf BigD: i think ross lives out here 2009-02-26 10:41:13 timmcgeary ibahn-- 2009-02-26 10:41:15 ejk buffering 2009-02-26 10:41:15 rsinger WAIT FOR IT 2009-02-26 10:41:16 jmspargu DEMO!!! 2009-02-26 10:41:17 crikey can't read it 2009-02-26 10:41:22 mjg_ rsinger: dance, monkey. 2009-02-26 10:41:24 dchud bess: nice how the UI layout matches your blacklight deployment, it looks good 2009-02-26 10:41:26 anarchivist openlayers++ 2009-02-26 10:41:28 fak3r openlayers UI fyi 2009-02-26 10:41:32 fak3r anarchivist++ 2009-02-26 10:41:34 anarchivist search_by_extent++ 2009-02-26 10:41:36 royt lat.lib.virginia.edu:8080/geonetwork/ 2009-02-26 10:41:42 BigD mpark: i was standing out there in shorts and flipflops for 2 hrs! 2009-02-26 10:41:46 dchud mbklein: you got some kind of problem with zombies? 2009-02-26 10:41:46 fak3r look up Ashville 2009-02-26 10:41:46 mbklein demo++ 2009-02-26 10:41:47 MrDys that was snapppy 2009-02-26 10:41:49 jfereira openlayers++ 2009-02-26 10:41:52 crikey royt++ thanks!!!one 2009-02-26 10:41:54 edsu @rickcheck http://lat.lib.virginia.edu:8080/geonetwork/ 2009-02-26 10:41:55 royt http://lat.lib.virginia.edu:8080/geonetwork/ 2009-02-26 10:41:55 zoia edsu: huh? i was just watching Attack of the Cloneburgers 2009-02-26 10:41:57 mbklein dchud: I for one welcome our new zombie overlords 2009-02-26 10:41:57 rsinger wait for it 2009-02-26 10:42:02 rsinger wait for it 2009-02-26 10:42:04 gsf openlayers++ 2009-02-26 10:42:04 naomi BigD: that was stupid of you! 2009-02-26 10:42:08 rsinger wait for it 2009-02-26 10:42:18 fak3r rich and creamy metadata 2009-02-26 10:42:19 mbklein lay off the demo site during the demo, people. :) 2009-02-26 10:42:22 mjg_ why the hell is that crap so funny? 2009-02-26 10:42:25 BigD naomi: the world should revolve around my needs. 2009-02-26 10:42:28 mpark naomi: i told him it was 90 in RI 2009-02-26 10:42:36 naomi mpark++ 2009-02-26 10:42:38 gsf naomi: BigD's iq fluctuates with the temperature 2009-02-26 10:42:39 anarchivist mpark++ 2009-02-26 10:42:43 mbklein mpark++ 2009-02-26 10:42:44 dchud rsinger: "i will now turn this jug of water into wine! okay, um, turn around for a sec..." 2009-02-26 10:42:46 miker_ BigD: it doesn't? 2009-02-26 10:42:51 fak3r use OpenID to login 2009-02-26 10:42:55 BigD gsf: der 2009-02-26 10:42:59 anarchivist MANHOLES 2009-02-26 10:43:00 anarchivist ++ 2009-02-26 10:43:05 BigD ooo, spots! 2009-02-26 10:43:06 fak3r decent_demo++ 2009-02-26 10:43:06 naomi dchud: "I will now turn this jug of water into ice" 2009-02-26 10:43:08 mbklein layers++ 2009-02-26 10:43:11 fak3r bell++ 2009-02-26 10:43:12 jrochkind104 just when he was getting to the cool stuff! 2009-02-26 10:43:12 akorphan live_demo-- 2009-02-26 10:43:12 naomi "oh_well"++ 2009-02-26 10:43:22 dchud note to self: LEAD WITH THE DEMO 2009-02-26 10:43:22 timmcgeary dots 2009-02-26 10:43:22 BigD meezles! 2009-02-26 10:43:25 anarchivist this is hot 2009-02-26 10:43:29 MrDys asoroka++ 2009-02-26 10:43:29 crikey lot's of manholes in Charlettosville 2009-02-26 10:43:29 gsf lbjay: take charge big boy 2009-02-26 10:43:31 lbjay where's cbeer? 2009-02-26 10:43:32 jrochkind104 OH, it's clear to me! 2009-02-26 10:43:37 jrochkind104 manholes++ 2009-02-26 10:43:38 mib_x8kpf7k7 Firehydrants? I was expecting cosmic horror.... 2009-02-26 10:43:43 fak3r thanks 2009-02-26 10:43:44 jrochkind104 A friend of mine was actually assaulted by a manhole. 2009-02-26 10:43:52 naomi note to all: screen shots often are better than "live" demo 2009-02-26 10:43:56 bess he has this great lovecraft demo. he's spent the last month on it. 2009-02-26 10:43:57 fak3r cbeer++ 2009-02-26 10:43:59 mjg_ asoroka++ # sweet. 2009-02-26 10:44:01 timmcgeary fire hydrants = dogs = cats beware 2009-02-26 10:44:03 akorphan Each fire hydrant is actually a 4-dimensional "finger" of Hastur probing its way into our world. 2009-02-26 10:44:15 mjg_ bess++ 2009-02-26 10:44:17 mbklein asoroka++ bess++ 2009-02-26 10:44:17 edsu bess++ 2009-02-26 10:44:17 JodiS__ bess++ 2009-02-26 10:44:17 dchud i fell in a manhole once during halloween. 2009-02-26 10:44:19 dchud bess++ 2009-02-26 10:44:20 fak3r now that's the kinda gumption we needed in the talk! 2009-02-26 10:44:22 royt bess++ 2009-02-26 10:44:23 dchud asoroka++ 2009-02-26 10:44:24 naomi bess++ 2009-02-26 10:44:27 abarrera asoroka++ bess++ 2009-02-26 10:44:29 gsf for a while there the manhole covers in philly were being stolen 2009-02-26 10:44:31 anarchivist strange_woman_i_never_before++ 2009-02-26 10:44:33 timmcgeary he's witty and smart 2009-02-26 10:44:37 mjg_ twenty-three skidoo! 2009-02-26 10:44:39 naomi anarchivist++ 2009-02-26 10:44:46 edsu @uri manhole 2009-02-26 10:44:47 zoia edsu: DBpedia has URIs for... Public utilities - http://dbpedia.org/resource/Manhole; Alternative metal musical groups - http://dbpedia.org/resource/Tura_Satana_%28band%29; Public utilities - http://dbpedia.org/resource/Manhole_cover; 1973 albums - http://dbpedia.org/resource/Manhole_%28album%29; 1988 video games - http://dbpedia.org/resource/The_Manhole; 1981 video games - (1 more message) 2009-02-26 10:44:47 fak3r timmcgeary: he needed to bring that in the talk 2009-02-26 10:44:49 MrDys mjg_: ++ 2009-02-26 10:44:52 akorphan scrap_metal_value++ 2009-02-26 10:44:52 MrDys er. 2009-02-26 10:44:55 mpark 50 is the new 30 2009-02-26 10:44:56 abarrera gsf: did you fall in one 2009-02-26 10:44:59 escowles beer++ 2009-02-26 10:44:59 gsf before the price of scrap metal sunk 2009-02-26 10:45:00 jrochkind104 http://cbs4denver.com/watercooler/manhole.cover.Baltimore.2.705553.html 2009-02-26 10:45:01 BigD kgs: did you tape him? ;) 2009-02-26 10:45:01 fak3r why was there a bag over the camera? 2009-02-26 10:45:08 fak3r newtimers 2009-02-26 10:45:11 anarchivist fak3r: he didn't want it taped 2009-02-26 10:45:14 gsf abarrera: it was hilarious 2009-02-26 10:45:15 naomi fak3r: he asked not to be taped. 2009-02-26 10:45:16 dchud fak3r: not taping asoroka 2009-02-26 10:45:17 edsu Chris' last name++ 2009-02-26 10:45:18 JodiS__ hey! necode4lib doesn't count??? :) 2009-02-26 10:45:23 kgs BigD++ #makin' me laff 2009-02-26 10:45:24 fak3r anarchivist: oh, ok - didn't know 2009-02-26 10:45:25 anarchivist anarchivist isn't into serving users 2009-02-26 10:45:27 timmcgeary beer++ 2009-02-26 10:45:27 JodiS__ these guys were great at necode4lib 2009-02-26 10:45:33 mjg_ my skin smells like beer for weeks following these conferences. 2009-02-26 10:45:37 abarrera gsf: so wish i still lived in philly 2009-02-26 10:45:39 naomi demo demo demo demo 2009-02-26 10:45:40 rosy1280 yay to wgbh 2009-02-26 10:45:42 anarchivist mjg_: you smell smart 2009-02-26 10:45:44 jfereira cbeer++ 2009-02-26 10:45:50 MrDys non_library_speakers++ 2009-02-26 10:45:53 BigD abarrera: so does yer family 2009-02-26 10:45:54 fak3r cbeer_name++ 2009-02-26 10:46:03 anarchivist fwiw - their code is in launchpad already :) 2009-02-26 10:46:06 rosy1280 like their tool 2009-02-26 10:46:07 anarchivist bzr ftw 2009-02-26 10:46:11 gsf mjg_: you should try showering 2009-02-26 10:46:16 mbklein wgbh++ 2009-02-26 10:46:17 dchud i advocate telling all speakers in the future: lead with the demo. and have a screencast just in case. 2009-02-26 10:46:20 edsu mjg_, dchud are you going to $work tomorrow? 2009-02-26 10:46:21 fak3r door slam 2009-02-26 10:46:25 jrochkind104 dchud: I agree. 2009-02-26 10:46:30 mbklein For producing ZOOM if nothing else. 2009-02-26 10:46:30 naomi dchud++ 2009-02-26 10:46:32 naomi demo demo demo demo 2009-02-26 10:46:34 fak3r dchud: yeah, a demo or family guy mini-episode 2009-02-26 10:46:35 jrochkind104 The demo tells me why I should care about the boring stuff. :) 2009-02-26 10:46:46 tomkeays dchud++ 2009-02-26 10:46:50 naomi BUT: faux demo, since hotel internet sucks so often. 2009-02-26 10:47:10 fak3r naomi: right, or a screencast in the slides would work 2009-02-26 10:47:12 anarchivist_ ugh 2009-02-26 10:47:15 naomi scope should have been in a tiny font. 2009-02-26 10:47:21 BigD who are these people? the dude on the left looks familiar 2009-02-26 10:47:25 fak3r links that are clickable++ 2009-02-26 10:47:30 zoia ΓΘλΞ 2009-02-26 10:47:34 rsinger__ ouch 2009-02-26 10:47:34 fak3r BigD: he was at RIRI 2009-02-26 10:47:49 BigD fak3r: ah! thanks 2009-02-26 10:48:51 pmurray Wow -- 134 users to 99 on the channel. 2009-02-26 10:49:30 pmurray Anyone else left here? 2009-02-26 10:49:52 pmurray There go another 30. What was once 134 is now down to 65. 2009-02-26 10:50:11 pmurray Still, that is a lot for the average day on #code4lib 2009-02-26 10:50:24 pmurray Maybe I'll just talk to myself for a while. 2009-02-26 10:50:30 pmurray Hey, zoia -- you still there? 2009-02-26 10:50:43 pmurray zoia: You still there? 2009-02-26 10:50:45 zoia pmurray: Sorry, You are currently using Flash Player 0 2009-02-26 10:50:53 pmurray Oh, *whew* 2009-02-26 10:51:04 pmurray It was getting lonely here. 2009-02-26 10:51:16 pmurray Maybe folks will come back. 2009-02-26 10:51:34 pmurray We've gone from 134 to 62, now 68. 2009-02-26 10:51:41 escowles ibahn-- 2009-02-26 10:51:50 jbrinley ibahn-- 2009-02-26 10:51:54 pmurray Yea! The party is back on! 2009-02-26 10:51:56 akorphan ugh. 2009-02-26 10:51:58 ejk I'm only still here because I'm running irssi in a screen session 2009-02-26 10:52:01 jfereira nice demo 2009-02-26 10:52:10 wickr ibahn-- 2009-02-26 10:52:12 jbrinley what was the URL for that? 2009-02-26 10:52:14 escowles i was on tv, and i got kicked! 2009-02-26 10:52:15 akorphan ibahn-- 2009-02-26 10:52:18 ejk ibahn-- 2009-02-26 10:52:20 dchud grumble network grumble grumble 2009-02-26 10:52:24 crikey what did i miss? the tubes of the internet were clooged!!! 2009-02-26 10:52:26 pmurray 134 to 62 now to 79 2009-02-26 10:52:35 jtgorman jtgorman would love to see a series of interviews wtih the net admins who have to deal with code4lib conferences 2009-02-26 10:53:02 pmurray jtgorman++ # They're all screaming WTF is going on at that hotel? 2009-02-26 10:53:47 pmurray Missed y'all, though. It was getting lonely here for a few minutes. 2009-02-26 10:53:51 jtgorman pmurray: I bet it goes from a some modest business traffic, maybe some porn, to all the sudden ports opening up everywhere, people downloading dbpedia over and over again, and more connections than you can shake a stick at 2009-02-26 10:54:13 pmurray jtgorman: Probably right. 2009-02-26 10:55:08 pmurray Hmmm -- 134 to 62 to 79 to 61 2009-02-26 10:57:14 jtgorman pmurray wonder if Asheville will be prepared? 2009-02-26 10:57:38 pmurray I hope so. As the conference grows, so does the network demands... 2009-02-26 10:57:46 jtgorman maybe the next time we need to try to capture some of our traffic, so we can try to stimulate it... 2009-02-26 10:58:03 jtgorman any site that goes "oh yeah, don't worry", get them to agree to run the test and see what happens... 2009-02-26 10:58:21 pmurray Yeah -- that is what the PyCon people end up doing. 2009-02-26 10:59:22 jtgorman pmurray: I'm not sure what type of resources you'd need to simulate the traffic though 2009-02-26 10:59:35 pmurray "When we outsource the networking we've tried to be extremely clear about our demands. "We pretty much all have a computer, we're computer geeks, and a huge percentage of our users will have them on. We're probably way more than anything you've ever experienced before." That sort of thing. " -- http://www.tummy.com/Community/Articles/pycon2008-network/ 2009-02-26 11:00:00 pmurray "However, the vendors have always been like "No problem!" We've tried to make it clear that we're likely to smoke test their network, but they always seem to think we're BSing them. I remember 2 years ago saying "Compared to any other 600 people you've had here, we'll be way more demanding on the network." "No problem!"" -- same cite 2009-02-26 11:00:51 jtgorman pmurray: I also suspect many a hotel/venue it's a combination of factors... 2009-02-26 11:01:07 pmurray Yep. 2009-02-26 11:01:09 jtgorman a) the tech people really don't understand the capabilities and demand 2009-02-26 11:01:34 jaron_ @hosts2010 2009-02-26 11:01:35 zoia jaron_: Asheville, NC [286]; Austin, TX [277]; Madison, WI [208]; Columbus, OH [155]; Bloomington, IN [118] 2009-02-26 11:01:44 jtgorman b) the managers figure it's a traveling venue, why spend extra money? If you can just talk them into it, it doesn't matter if they don't come back. They weren't planning on doing it anyway 2009-02-26 11:02:05 jeff bringing in your own uplink and access points is sometmies more practical than relying on the venue. 2009-02-26 11:02:08 jtgorman the only thing I could see doing is building it into the contract, something like a sla 2009-02-26 11:03:35 jtgorman I love the comment about people bringing two laptops 2009-02-26 11:04:13 jtgorman that's not even figuring how many people are migrating to phones that also will try to grab at the wireless network 2009-02-26 11:07:09 jtgorman jtgorman had a a/b/g wireless card for a while and did find it was useful for jumping on to a router using only A that was pretty much unused 2009-02-26 11:07:39 jtgorman well, that was interesting read but I probably should have waited till I got home to do it 2009-02-26 11:12:59 pmurray Hmmm -- 134 to 62 to 79 to 48 and dead quiet. 2009-02-26 11:17:02 jtgorman jtgorman starts dropping pins to the floor 2009-02-26 11:17:09 jtgorman s/to/on/ 2009-02-26 11:19:05 BLTnoTomato pmurray, it must have been the kool-aid i made and gave out :/ 2009-02-26 11:19:29 pmurray BLTnoTomato: Yeah -- that'd do it. ;-) 2009-02-26 11:20:16 ranti *crickets* 2009-02-26 11:26:42 ejk yay! 2009-02-26 11:26:47 JodiS internet++ 2009-02-26 11:26:49 JodiS Umlaut++ 2009-02-26 11:26:51 JodiS jrochkind++ 2009-02-26 11:26:59 edsu jrochkind++ # you're taking my time! 2009-02-26 11:27:07 jmspargu yay internets 2009-02-26 11:27:08 JodiS recommended read: http://managemetadata.org/blog/2009/02/25/embrace-the-chaos/ 2009-02-26 11:27:13 JodiS jphipps on c4l09 2009-02-26 11:27:14 BigD i plugged it back in 2009-02-26 11:27:29 wickr I feel better now, got my fi 2009-02-26 11:27:29 MrDys- | JodiS: that post makes me grr 2009-02-26 11:27:34 wickr xx 2009-02-26 11:27:42 pmurray Hmmm -- 134 people to 62 to 79 to 48 to 68 and rising on channel. 2009-02-26 11:27:44 JodiS MrDys: raises good points. reflection++ 2009-02-26 11:27:47 edsu "Providence is at your door step" 2009-02-26 11:28:00 MrDys- | JodiS: reflection is fine, but it's nothing people haven't been saying for years 2009-02-26 11:28:01 pmurray It was boring here for a while. 2009-02-26 11:28:01 JodiS JodiS stomps on hotel internet 2009-02-26 11:28:05 BigD why don't i need my vpn for irc all of a sudden? 2009-02-26 11:28:10 wickr pmurray: there was a systems upgrade here, nknocked out internet 2009-02-26 11:28:19 jfereira network upgrade 2009-02-26 11:28:27 anarchivist using labatts? 2009-02-26 11:28:35 JodiS MrDys: agreed. but I like and trust jphipps more than most. and it's useful to me to think about at the moment 2009-02-26 11:28:41 ecorrado they should have updated the network last week 2009-02-26 11:28:49 akorphan ibahn-- 2009-02-26 11:28:51 zoia ΓΘλΞ 2009-02-26 11:28:51 BigD ecorrado: or at 12:01? 2009-02-26 11:28:59 JodiS ibahn-- ^100 2009-02-26 11:29:00 ecorrado BigD: true 2009-02-26 11:29:01 gsf jrochkind is so jrochkind 2009-02-26 11:29:07 anarchivist foafro++ 2009-02-26 11:29:09 JodiS love the emma goldberg :) 2009-02-26 11:29:16 codemonkey yeah... nice time to do the upgrade. just when everyone wants to check out 2009-02-26 11:29:23 anarchivist online_benders++ 2009-02-26 11:29:30 gsf gsf @quote add lbjay: hey, you're using my time here! 2009-02-26 11:29:30 zoia gsf: The operation succeeded. Quote #1769 added. 2009-02-26 11:29:37 erikhatcher code4lib++ 2009-02-26 11:29:39 erikhatcher providence++++ 2009-02-26 11:29:41 erikhatcher see y'all later. sorry i didn't get to meet everyone personally - i so love library geeks. i are one. 2009-02-26 11:29:41 JodiS speaking of foaffro--want that WGBH thingy--something like what BigD was looking for last night 2009-02-26 11:29:44 anarchivist code4lib++ 2009-02-26 11:29:50 anarchivist erikhatcher++ 2009-02-26 11:29:51 JodiS erikhatcher++ #enjoy Providence! 2009-02-26 11:29:55 MrDys- | erikhatcher++ 2009-02-26 11:29:59 gsf erikhatcher++ 2009-02-26 11:29:59 BigD JodiS: yeah! 2009-02-26 11:30:02 anarchivist erikhatcher: i may ping you soon about lucid imagination stuff 2009-02-26 11:30:05 erikhatcher awww, the karma! 2009-02-26 11:30:06 JodiS BigD++ 2009-02-26 11:30:21 BigD see ya'll next year, i hope. maybe Access2009 in PEI? 2009-02-26 11:30:22 erikhatcher might i recommend a visit to see the buddha at the RISD museum? 2009-02-26 11:30:39 anarchivist erikhatcher: did you see the shawn greenlee installation there too? 2009-02-26 11:30:41 ecorrado ecorrado puts iii encore in amazon cloud and then hits delete 2009-02-26 11:30:46 anarchivist ecorrado++ 2009-02-26 11:30:48 anarchivist # please do 2009-02-26 11:30:54 gsf put it all on the page 2009-02-26 11:31:13 ecorrado ecorrado thinks Prince Edward Island has a great name 2009-02-26 11:31:25 anarchivist rjw++ 2009-02-26 11:31:31 ecorrado esp. the second part 2009-02-26 11:31:33 cbeer JodiS: which WGBH thing? 2009-02-26 11:31:35 gsf pei++ 2009-02-26 11:31:44 akorphan pei_mussels++ 2009-02-26 11:31:48 anarchivist u down with occp? 2009-02-26 11:31:48 wtd jrochkind++ 2009-02-26 11:31:49 ecorrado ecorrado hopes to get to Acess 2009 this year 2009-02-26 11:31:57 akorphan yeah you know me 2009-02-26 11:32:00 JodiS cbeer: your FOAF visualization. BigD was talking about JUST that at Dave & Buster's last night 2009-02-26 11:32:03 ecorrado @cyborg occp 2009-02-26 11:32:05 zoia ecorrado: O.C.C.P.: Operational Cybernetic Calculation Person 2009-02-26 11:32:07 wtd jrochkind: nice lightning talk. That was good. 2009-02-26 11:36:00 anarchivist_ rjw++ 2009-02-26 11:36:09 anarchivist_ lxming++ 2009-02-26 11:36:18 jbrinley ibahn-- 2009-02-26 11:36:19 jbrinley ibahn-- 2009-02-26 11:36:20 jbrinley ibahn-- 2009-02-26 11:36:20 jbrinley ibahn-- 2009-02-26 11:36:20 jbrinley ibahn-- 2009-02-26 11:36:20 jbrinley ibahn-- 2009-02-26 11:36:22 JodiS_ lxming++ 2009-02-26 11:36:27 anarchivist_ http://whatever.scalzi.com/2006/09/13/clearly-you-people-thought-i-was-kidding/ 2009-02-26 11:37:11 timmcgeary any lunch plans setup yet? 2009-02-26 11:37:21 JodiS_ mmmm, lunch 2009-02-26 11:37:32 ecorrado_ lightning_talks++ 2009-02-26 11:37:45 JodiS_ great lightning talks today 2009-02-26 11:37:56 ecorrado_ not enough cats, too much harry potter 2009-02-26 11:38:00 mbklein Whew. Being out of the channel is like going without air. :) 2009-02-26 11:38:01 jrochkind112 Someone was telling me about some awesome map store north of providence. But now I forget the name. 2009-02-26 11:38:08 edsu JodiS_: aye 2009-02-26 11:38:21 anarchivist_ python_dicts++ 2009-02-26 11:38:27 mbklein @later tell kgs Kid in a (non-Zabar's, but same idea) bag: http://michael.is.outoffoc.us/files/kidbag.jpg 2009-02-26 11:38:28 zoia mbklein: The operation succeeded. 2009-02-26 11:38:29 ecorrado_ @google awesome map store north of providence 2009-02-26 11:38:30 zoia ecorrado_: Search took 0.18 seconds: Map of North Providence , RI by MapQuest: ; Deb the Shop, North Attleboro, MA : Reviews and maps - Yahoo! Local: ; Map Center, shop for world, USA, framed map pinboard, tacks, pins: ; Dr. Lankin's (3 more messages) 2009-02-26 11:38:37 ejk ibahn-- 2009-02-26 11:38:38 JodiS_ mbklein: I can survive for more time without IRC than breathing, but, yeah, I hear that 2009-02-26 11:39:11 JodiS_ @karma ibahn 2009-02-26 11:39:11 mbklein IIIIIIBAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHNNNNNNN!!!!!!! 2009-02-26 11:39:12 zoia JodiS_: Karma for "ibahn" has been increased 1 time and decreased 45 times for a total karma of -44. 2009-02-26 11:39:12 akorphan ibahn-- 2009-02-26 11:39:14 JodiS_ @karma iii 2009-02-26 11:39:14 zoia JodiS_: Karma for "iii" has been increased 9 times and decreased 183 times for a total karma of -174. 2009-02-26 11:39:24 akorphan ibahn-- 2009-02-26 11:39:31 edsu lbjay++ 2009-02-26 11:39:43 jfereira REjected 2009-02-26 11:39:45 wickr lbjay++ 2009-02-26 11:39:50 anarchivist_ zero_the_hero++ 2009-02-26 11:39:54 anarchivist_ @quote random 2009-02-26 11:39:54 zoia anarchivist_: Quote #788: " if only there was an opac that worked AS WELL AS a glorified royt" (added by ksclarke at 12:40 PM, March 22, 2007) 2009-02-26 11:39:59 timmcgeary function, function, what's your junction 2009-02-26 11:40:16 JodiS_ lbjay++ 2009-02-26 11:40:25 edsu lbjay++ 2009-02-26 11:40:26 mbklein lbjay++ 2009-02-26 11:40:49 ejk lbjay++ 2009-02-26 11:40:52 akorphan preview-- 2009-02-26 11:40:55 BigD2 timmcgeary: conjunction junction, what's your function? HTH 2009-02-26 11:40:56 ecorrado_ what he said 2009-02-26 11:41:05 mbklein MARK DOESN'T LIVE HERE ANY MORE 2009-02-26 11:41:05 BigD2 hey, where's my attrib? 2009-02-26 11:41:10 timmcgeary BigD2: I know... 2009-02-26 11:41:22 JodiS_ plone folks: Darci Hanning is getting us a plone4lib list at plone.org 2009-02-26 11:41:29 mbklein @foaf anarchivist currentProject 2009-02-26 11:41:30 zoia mbklein: anarchivist : 2009-02-26 11:41:48 mbklein Hey! I can see my house from there! 2009-02-26 11:41:53 ecorrado_ @cyborg necode4lib 2009-02-26 11:41:56 zoia ecorrado_: N.E.C.O.D.E.L.I.B.: Networked Electronic Construct Optimized for Destruction, Efficient Learning and Immediate Battle 2009-02-26 11:42:16 ecorrado_ zoia: that one actually works decently 2009-02-26 11:42:18 zoia ecorrado_: have you ever *had* breakfast with a geologist? it's pretty great 2009-02-26 11:42:33 akorphan @cyborg zoia 2009-02-26 11:42:35 zoia akorphan: Z.O.I.A.: Zealous Observation and Infiltration Android 2009-02-26 11:42:48 akorphan @cyborg xyzzy 2009-02-26 11:42:49 zoia akorphan: X.Y.Z.Z.Y.: Xenomorph Yearning for Zoology and Zealous Yelling 2009-02-26 11:43:03 MrDys @cyborg zzyzyx 2009-02-26 11:43:05 akorphan @cyborg xzxzxzxz 2009-02-26 11:43:06 zoia MrDys: Z.Z.Y.Z.Y.X.: Zeta Zombie Yearning for Zealous Yelling and Xenocide 2009-02-26 11:43:07 zoia akorphan: X.Z.X.Z.X.Z.X.Z.: Xperimental Zombie Xperienced in Zoology, Xpert Zapping and Xtreme Zymurgy 2009-02-26 11:43:14 ecorrado_ win++ 2009-02-26 11:43:24 mbklein @inaworld [cyborg inaworld] stalks the land... 2009-02-26 11:43:26 timmcgeary so where are we going for lunch? 2009-02-26 11:43:26 zoia In a world... where I.N.A.W.O.R.L.D.: Intelligent Networked Android Wanting Observation, Repair and Logical Destruction stalks the land... 2009-02-26 11:43:32 BigD stay classy, c4l! 2009-02-26 11:43:33 jbrinley write c4lj articles 2009-02-26 11:43:36 dlovins lbjay++ 2009-02-26 11:43:42 mbklein rock on c4l 2009-02-26 11:43:44 JodiS_ code4lib_withdrawl-- 2009-02-26 11:43:49 akorphan ibahn-- 2009-02-26 11:43:56 jfereira ibahn-- 2009-02-26 11:43:58 akorphan sponsors++ 2009-02-26 11:44:00 tomkeays ibahn-- 2009-02-26 11:44:01 jfereira brownU++ 2009-02-26 11:44:05 JodiS_ what jbrinley said: write c4l articles 2009-02-26 11:44:08 JodiS_ brownU++ 2009-02-26 11:44:11 ejk ibahn-- 2009-02-26 11:44:13 JodiS_ sponsors++ 2009-02-26 11:44:14 ecorrado_ brownU++ 2009-02-26 11:44:19 codemonkey brownU++ 2009-02-26 11:44:19 akorphan brownU++ 2009-02-26 11:44:22 dlovins brownU++ 2009-02-26 11:44:22 BigD ProvidenceU++ 2009-02-26 11:44:22 mbklein jean++ birkin++ patrick++ mpark++ andrewashton++ 2009-02-26 11:44:23 ecorrado_ write++ 2009-02-26 11:44:24 tomkeays brownU++ 2009-02-26 11:44:27 codemonkey I would also like to thank Ibhan 2009-02-26 11:44:27 akorphan entropy_generator-- 2009-02-26 11:44:32 JodiS_ lbjay++ #asheville image ksclarke++ #for finding it 2009-02-26 11:44:32 codemonkey lol :) 2009-02-26 11:44:36 akorphan @karma ibahn 2009-02-26 11:44:37 zoia akorphan: Karma for "ibahn" has been increased 1 time and decreased 51 times for a total karma of -50. 2009-02-26 11:44:37 dlovins data_silos-- 2009-02-26 11:44:41 ecorrado_ asheville, here we come!!!!!!! 2009-02-26 11:44:55 akorphan You don't have to go home, but you can't stay here! 2009-02-26 11:45:16 pmurray Safe travels home, everyone! 2009-02-26 11:45:32 MrDys time to kill a few hours 2009-02-26 11:45:37 timmcgeary lunch? 2009-02-26 11:45:38 ecorrado_ cya all next year! 2009-02-26 11:45:43 jaron_ so the hosts2010 vote is over and Asheville won? 2009-02-26 11:45:50 jbrinley jaron_: yes 2009-02-26 11:45:53 jbrinley @hosts2010 2009-02-26 11:45:58 zoia jbrinley: Asheville, NC [286]; Austin, TX [277]; Madison, WI [208]; Columbus, OH [155]; Bloomington, IN [118] 2009-02-26 11:46:07 jaron_ yay! 2009-02-26 11:46:45 pmurray Close this year. 2009-02-26 11:46:49 pmurray @hosts2009 2009-02-26 11:46:49 zoia pmurray: Brown University/Providence, Rhode Island [269]; Columbus, OH [225]; Southeast Florida [176]; Bahía Blanca, Argentina [105] 2009-02-26 11:47:30 JodiS_ lunchward...